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@JGForsyth: I think that is the finest speech I've ever heard in the Commons, and delivered under such pressure0
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Burnham is probably thinking "Who is this chap"0
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@KateEMcCann: As Benn sat down following speech he plonked himself down on top of Corbyn, who was forced to shift over sharpish, face like furious thunder0
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Where's Dave?0
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On the front bench
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Allowed under extraordinary circumstances. A maiden speech of one of the 56 does not countEh_ehm_a_eh said:Clear the benches, no clapping allowed you tory bastards.
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Can't help but agree with that. That was Churchillian.Scott_P said:@DPJHodges: Hilary Benn doesn't just look like the leader of the opposition at the moment. He looks like the prime minister.
And he turned around and personally addressed the Labour benches himself, appealing to them to support their sister socialist party, as if he really *was* the leader.
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That was brilliant from Hilary. Next PM.0
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I almost feel sorry I voted for Jeremy back in September - sorry for Jeremy himself
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@jessphillips: Hilary Benn, made me proud to be Labour Tonight. He was amazing. If he was the foreign secretary I know he would have a plan I could trust
@ayestotheright: .@hilarybenn just demolished Corbyn's claims to be "true" Labour0 -
Plenty of tweets think he will be taking over from Cameron, as next Tory PM.SandyRentool said:That was brilliant from Hilary. Next PM.
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The last couple of minutes when he addressed his own party made my hair stand on endCasino_Royale said:
Can't help but agree with that. That was Churchillian.Scott_P said:@DPJHodges: Hilary Benn doesn't just look like the leader of the opposition at the moment. He looks like the prime minister.
And he turned around and personally addressed the Labour benches himself, appealing to them to support their sister socialist party, as if he really *was* the leader.
Simply astonishing.0 -
@paulwaugh: In my 18 years of covering Parliament, I've seen few speeches as impressive as Hilary Benn's - + never seen a crossparty reaction like that0
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We have a contender?Scott_P said:@KateEMcCann: As Benn sat down following speech he plonked himself down on top of Corbyn, who was forced to shift over sharpish, face like furious thunder
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Very powerful intervention, more power to his elbow.Scott_P said:@paulwaugh: Labour peer Lord Rooker has really gone for it. (via @guardian liveblog)
https://t.co/hrpfUGPOjs https://t.co/Amcau3EHGd0 -
I would happily vote for Benn as Leader tomorrow, even as someone opposed to airstrikes.0
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Mio dio, that was some speech from Benn. Poor old Hammond is dying out there, tough to follow Hilary though.0
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Hammond on the other hand is showing why he will never be leader, he started with a partisan dig and is undoing the good work of Hilary Benn the longer he goes on.0
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Piers @Its_Piers 3m3 minutes ago
Hilary Benn should be de-selected. Tory in disguise. Entire Tory bench claps his speech. Disgusting excuse of a man.
Well that didn't take long...0 -
Proud of Benn. Real Labour at last. Forgot what that felt like.0
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Early contender for biggest arse of the night
@AngusMacNeilSNP: Tonight we saw Labour being applauded by the Tories in the #Commons on #SyriaVote0 -
It was exceptional. He's obviously been preparing for this moment.Wanderer said:
The last couple of minutes when he addressed his own party made my hair stand on endCasino_Royale said:
Can't help but agree with that. That was Churchillian.Scott_P said:@DPJHodges: Hilary Benn doesn't just look like the leader of the opposition at the moment. He looks like the prime minister.
And he turned around and personally addressed the Labour benches himself, appealing to them to support their sister socialist party, as if he really *was* the leader.
Simply astonishing.
That won't be an accident.0 -
Yes. He should shut up.Casino_Royale said:Hammond on the other hand is showing why he will never be leader, he started with a partisan dig and is undoing the good work of Hilary Benn the longer he goes on.
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Nah. One speech does not a leader make.
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He should have just congratulated Benn on a very good speech, pointed out that he had nothing more to add and then sat back down.Casino_Royale said:Hammond on the other hand is showing why he will never be leader, he started with a partisan dig and is undoing the good work of Hilary Benn the longer he goes on.
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Who?richardDodd said:Burnham is probably thinking "Who is this chap"
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Ha!
@ArtyBagger: Blimey. Hammond following that speech by Hilary Benn is like Peter Andre coming on after Prince.0 -
@FraserNelson: LISTEN: Hilary Benn's superb speech on Syria, now on the @spectator's live blog: https://t.co/btvInJNAxp https://t.co/znqE2aLrU70
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What Hammond should have said isJonathan said:
Yes. He should shut up.Casino_Royale said:Hammond on the other hand is showing why he will never be leader, he started with a partisan dig and is undoing the good work of Hilary Benn the longer he goes on.
"Hilary Benn made an unarguable case for intervention, and I have nothing further to add to that"0 -
Sorry - what was the partisan dig? seemed to have missed the start of Hammond's speech.Casino_Royale said:Hammond on the other hand is showing why he will never be leader, he started with a partisan dig and is undoing the good work of Hilary Benn the longer he goes on.
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Even the Tory benches are looking uncomfortable.Jonathan said:
Yes. He should shut up.Casino_Royale said:Hammond on the other hand is showing why he will never be leader, he started with a partisan dig and is undoing the good work of Hilary Benn the longer he goes on.
Sit down.
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Oh dear, Sunil, you must now repent of this dark deed. Little did you know that you were helping to destroy the Labour Party.Sunil_Prasannan said:I almost feel sorry I voted for Jeremy back in September - sorry for Jeremy himself
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Compare that speech to "Fred sent me an e-mail about his tax credits"0
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Labour rebels now have a candidate. If ol' JC fires Hilary, all the MP's the mob bullied will rally to him.0
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HYUFD must be happy!0
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I've been out for several hours - how many Tory rebels are expected?-1
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This been posted yet?;
https://twitter.com/Lauren_Crowley/status/672132696760545280
Abbot is an awesome weapon for the Tories.0 -
Blimey, not often left impressed by any speech in the commons, but Benn was superb. You'd forgive me for thinking he was labour leader.0
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Mogadon Hammond.0
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12 to 20kle4 said:I've been out for several hours - how many Tory rebels are expected?
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Feck, recording 2 progs on skybox and missed it. From the cross party comments on here sounds very impressive.Scott_P said:@paulwaugh: In my 18 years of covering Parliament, I've seen few speeches as impressive as Hilary Benn's - + never seen a crossparty reaction like that
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I said that he had to deliver and he did. The key number is 116. If fewer than that support Corbyn a leadership challenge is on.
Labour, please don't fluff this.0 -
He should certainly have thought on his feet and cut the partisan point from his speech.TheScreamingEagles said:
What Hammond should have said isJonathan said:
Yes. He should shut up.Casino_Royale said:Hammond on the other hand is showing why he will never be leader, he started with a partisan dig and is undoing the good work of Hilary Benn the longer he goes on.
"Hilary Benn made an unarguable case for intervention, and I have nothing further to add to that"0 -
You're right, it doesn't; but it does give a lead and it shows people there is an alternative.foxinsoxuk said:Nah. One speech does not a leader make.
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@FraserNelson: LISTEN: Hilary Benn's superb speech on Syria, now on the @spectator's live blog: https://t.co/btvInJNAxp https://t.co/znqE2aLrU7 might work?Floater said:
Feck, recording 2 progs on skybox and missed it. From the cross party comments on here sounds very impressive.Scott_P said:@paulwaugh: In my 18 years of covering Parliament, I've seen few speeches as impressive as Hilary Benn's - + never seen a crossparty reaction like that
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Listen hereFloater said:
Feck, recording 2 progs on skybox and missed it. From the cross party comments on here sounds very impressive.Scott_P said:@paulwaugh: In my 18 years of covering Parliament, I've seen few speeches as impressive as Hilary Benn's - + never seen a crossparty reaction like that
http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/12/audio-coverage-of-the-syria-airstrikes-debate-in-the-house-of-commons/
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Be sure to check it on iplayer, or the parliament website!Floater said:
Feck, recording 2 progs on skybox and missed it. From the cross party comments on here sounds very impressive.Scott_P said:@paulwaugh: In my 18 years of covering Parliament, I've seen few speeches as impressive as Hilary Benn's - + never seen a crossparty reaction like that
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For those like me who missed Benn's speech. Here is a link.
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Oh, but Philip has. So so much.TheScreamingEagles said:
What Hammond should have said isJonathan said:
Yes. He should shut up.Casino_Royale said:Hammond on the other hand is showing why he will never be leader, he started with a partisan dig and is undoing the good work of Hilary Benn the longer he goes on.
"Hilary Benn made an unarguable case for intervention, and I have nothing further to add to that"
This reminds me of airplane where Ted Striker leads passenger after passenger to attempt taking their own life after regaling them with his past love life.0 -
Hammond worthy and dull. I really don't see what people see in him. Good cabinet material but no glitter or pizazz. No way he is the next leader.0
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Paul Waugh @paulwaugh 1m1 minute ago
This makes it even more impressive: there's no text of Hilary Benn's speech - because he wrote most of it on the frontbench.0 -
He should have been chancellor. He is solid bean counter, it is what he is good at. Never leader material.DavidL said:Hammond worthy and dull. I really don't see what people see in him. Good cabinet material but no glitter or pizazz. No way he is the next leader.
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A few weeks ago I said that an inspirational candidate of the soft left could beat Corbyn in a leadership election. I doubted whether Benn had the necessary star quality. Tonight he proved me wrong. He will lead Labour by next autumn, if he wants it.0
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I suppose what struck me so powerfully in Benn's peroration was that he seemed to summon up the ghosts of the great figures from Labour's past.0
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He is a duller version of Theresa May.DavidL said:Hammond worthy and dull. I really don't see what people see in him. Good cabinet material but no glitter or pizazz. No way he is the next leader.
Which says something since May is not exactly the Lady Gaga Of Politics herself.0 -
That was last week....RobD said:
Didn't he say he would vote for it if there was a UN resolution?Scott_P said:@AdamBienkov: Andy Burnham tells BBC he won't vote for Syrian air strikes today but may change his mind in the future. I give him a few minutes #syriavote
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So the question isn't whether or not Cameron gets a majority, it is how much Benn speech has summoned up some backbone in the Labour ranks.
First up, the amendment.0 -
Tom Watson won't be a happy bunny. He wants the Precious for himself....SandyRentool said:A few weeks ago I said that an inspirational candidate of the soft left could beat Corbyn in a leadership election. I doubted whether Benn had the necessary star quality. Tonight he proved me wrong. He will lead Labour by next autumn, if he wants it.
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@KateEMcCann: Andy Burnham first to make a beeline for Benn to congratulate him (even though they don't agree) many Labour MPs patting Benn on the back
Does Burnham vote No to please his current leader, or yes to please his next?0 -
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'Real Labour at last'
No - you got that with Corbyn. Posh Hampstead whigs are not real Labour.0 -
His brain is probably going to overheat trying to work out what the best move for him is.Scott_P said:@KateEMcCann: Andy Burnham first to make a beeline for Benn to congratulate him (even though they don't agree) many Labour MPs patting Benn on the back
Does Burnham vote No to please his current leader, or yes to please his next?0 -
If it's big enough, Corbyn will be in imminent trouble.FrancisUrquhart said:So the question isn't whether or not Cameron gets a majority, it is how much Benn speech has summoned up some backbone in the Labour ranks.
First up, the amendment.0 -
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I'm convinced that Hilary Benn is a Conservative MP, sent undercover into Labour to take them over from the inside. I mean, has he ever been seen in the same room as Jacob Rees-Mogg?0
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£2 for me at 3.5TheWhiteRabbit said:@Pulpstar
Last price matched: 3!!!!!!
Not mine though.
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Gosh, Benn's speech was simply spine tingling, just on the basis of that, even as a Conservative card holder, I'd easily opt for him over Cameron.0
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Just watching the Benn speech - brilliant. Stunning.
He'll either be leader or on the back-benches within the week.
For the sake of Britain, I'd like it to be the former.0 -
Fortunately, now that he has made a case for war so well, the £3 members wont be voting for him any time soon. Stupendously good speech.DavidL said:
Listening to it again. Just remarkable.Chameleon said:Gosh, Benn's speech was simply spine tingling, just on the basis of that, even as a Conservative card holder, I'd easily opt for him over Cameron.
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If the govt wins, hope the pro- side have the good sense not to cheer. Can't think of anything more inappropriate.0
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Hmm.TheWhiteRabbit said:@Pulpstar
Last price matched: 3!!!!!!
Not mine though.
Frustratingly, someone hovered up the 50/1 on the next PM market a few seconds before I got the chance.0 -
The anti war side cheering 14 months ago?ThreeQuidder said:If the govt wins, hope the pro- side have the good sense not to cheer. Can't think of anything more inappropriate.
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Jezza's mates the SWP nutters now.0
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Alan Johnson, Dan Jarvis, Pat McFadden, Margaret Beckett, Hillary Benn, my word Hillary Benn, and others - you did the Labour party proud today. You'll get nothing but abuse for it, but you spoke for the history of the party and you spoke for the only way that could ever possibly secure its future. If that's the final, dying cry of defiance before NickP and co destroy it all, that's some way to go. I am proud of you all and sad for what is to come.0
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Very, very impressive.Scott_P said:@FraserNelson: LISTEN: Hilary Benn's superb speech on Syria, now on the @spectator's live blog: https://t.co/btvInJNAxp https://t.co/znqE2aLrU7
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DavidL said:
Listening to it again. Just remarkable.Chameleon said:Gosh, Benn's speech was simply spine tingling, just on the basis of that, even as a Conservative card holder, I'd easily opt for him over Cameron.
It was very good. Took all the key points, made the logical arguments unarguable to a reasonable person, with just the right level of passion/emotion.
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@christopherhope: I am at the entrance to the Members' Lobby. One Tory MP tells me as many as 15 Labour MP waverers were swayed by Hilary Benn's speech.0
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21:39 into the speech Osborne looks like he realises that Benn will be the next leader.
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A fair point, but not quite as bad in my view. If the govt wins British armed forces will kill people as a direct result. No matter how necessary that might be, it shouldn't be cheered.kle4 said:
The anti war side cheering 14 months ago?ThreeQuidder said:If the govt wins, hope the pro- side have the good sense not to cheer. Can't think of anything more inappropriate.
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I hope this doesn't get your hopes up, but Benn's speech was the sort of speech that topples leaders.SouthamObserver said:Alan Johnson, Dan Jarvis, Pat McFadden, Margaret Beckett, Hillary Benn, my word Hillary Benn, and others - you did the Labour party proud today. You'll get nothing but abuse for it, but you spoke for the history of the party and you spoke for the only way that could ever possibly secure its future. If that's the final, dying cry of defiance before NickP and co destroy it all, that's some way to go. I am proud of you all and sad for what is to come.
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A good speech by Benn, although in fairness I've only had a chance to see a few of the others. Good delivery, whatever one thought of the arguments.0
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BTW, if the amendment falls will the House divide on the main question or is it assumed to be carried?0
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It was a fantastic speech, but surely MPs should have the ability to form rational, coherent opinions and have enough courage in their convictions to not turn 180% at the last minute.Scott_P said:@christopherhope: I am at the entrance to the Members' Lobby. One Tory MP tells me as many as 15 Labour MP waverers were swayed by Hilary Benn's speech.
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Dividing nowThreeQuidder said:BTW, if the amendment falls will the House divide on the main question or is it assumed to be carried?
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179. Wow.0
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211-56-1 green, 1 Lib Dem. Crobyn must have got nearly 150. Shameful and sad.0
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In any normal party, yes. But how do you remove the leader of the Labour Party?TheScreamingEagles said:
I hope this doesn't get your hopes up, but Benn's speech was the sort of speech that topples leaders.SouthamObserver said:Alan Johnson, Dan Jarvis, Pat McFadden, Margaret Beckett, Hillary Benn, my word Hillary Benn, and others - you did the Labour party proud today. You'll get nothing but abuse for it, but you spoke for the history of the party and you spoke for the only way that could ever possibly secure its future. If that's the final, dying cry of defiance before NickP and co destroy it all, that's some way to go. I am proud of you all and sad for what is to come.
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179 - Blair's majority in 1997 0
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Time for the main event....0
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I know, but you now know who the anti-Corbynite movement will rally behind.Chameleon said:
In any normal party, yes. But how do you remove the leader of the Labour Party?TheScreamingEagles said:
I hope this doesn't get your hopes up, but Benn's speech was the sort of speech that topples leaders.SouthamObserver said:Alan Johnson, Dan Jarvis, Pat McFadden, Margaret Beckett, Hillary Benn, my word Hillary Benn, and others - you did the Labour party proud today. You'll get nothing but abuse for it, but you spoke for the history of the party and you spoke for the only way that could ever possibly secure its future. If that's the final, dying cry of defiance before NickP and co destroy it all, that's some way to go. I am proud of you all and sad for what is to come.
That's an important step0
