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Friday’s attacks on Paris show that the terror threat remains. It’s time to fight back with every means at our disposal and take the fight to ISIS writes Keiran Pedley. But do we have the stomach for it?
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@MichaelLCrick: Rennard is a bigger problem for Farron than it was even for Clegg, as it pits Farron agst Lib Dem lords, where remaining Lib Dem power lies
Corbyn looked tired, old beyond his years and broken this morning. Being a tiresome teenage rebel for the last 50 years once responsibility caught up with him.
I hope the TGV crash isn't as bad as some reports are making out. I think this must be the first fatal TGV derailment in France, which is quite a record. They didn't have fatal derailments when a bomb went off on board one, or when a line collapsed due to it falling into unknown WWI trenches.
The rest of the French network (i.e. non-high speed trains) is by all accounts falling to pieces, though.
Labour are completely screwed politically with appeasers like Corbyn at the top.
I said last time after Keiran proposed that Chris Christie as VP would help the electoral chances of the GOP that Keiran should stop writing articles about elections, now I'm expanding that to articles in general.
Pardon me, but ISIS was created as an unfortunate result of funneling arms and funds to nasty shady guys in the syrian civil war, and Al-Qaeda was a CIA product in the fight against the soviets. What do you mean we didn't create them?
Reading between the lines, I think a bunch of people are going to try to persuade us to invade the middle east again, and if they get their way it's going to work out as well as it did all the other times.
https://www.rt.com/news/322054-tgv-train-derails-eckwersheim/
It has apparently come off a viaduct and fallen into a canal. Given some of the carriages appear partly or mostly submerged, it'll be a pleasant surprise if only five are killed.
'Excessive speed' is initially being blamed.
Edit: according to some reports it was a test train, and as carrying no paying passengers.
nope - Corbyn and his merry band of trots etc are not the right people
This fight with fundamental Islam has been bubbling since the 1990s, well before Iraq, it would and will come in one form or another, in one location or another.
For example university's (which have been recruiting grounds if I recall correctly) must stop inviting pedallers of hate to talk.
No segregated audiences etc.
But even that is better than our "friends" : Saudi Arabia, the UAE. Qatar, Bahrain , Kuwait etc.
In Saudi Arabia , women are not allowed to drive. In Iran, 60% of Engineers are women ! Take your pick.
In the hundreds I believe?
Blackburn "THere is a poster on here called Roger who really is a despicable piece of work, earlier on this thread he said that if it was up to me there would be no Jews left."
What I said (to Floater) was this;
"The truth is that if you follow the logic of the Isams and Blackburns (and several other posters on here) there would be no Jews to escort to synagogues in Sweden (or here)."
Which was my response to this:
"Enoch Powell predicted this would happen, Farage has been warning this would happen... the people in power, and those who worship at their feet, have smeared them and denounced their predictions to the detriment of us all"
Enoch Powell didn't believe anyone who was not of English heritage could assimilate nor should.
After the Syrian civil war started, they started a Syrian branch called the Al Nusra Front, and the two organisations promptly fell out (allegedly because AlN was too 'moderate'); this was also part of a general fall out between Al Qaeda and ISI.
This led to ISI forming the Islamic State in Iraq and Levant (ISIL), which is otherwise known as ISIS.
I think!
I don't have a solution, I'm not sure there is one, but we have deluded ourselves enough in these decades of relative peace with the luxury of higher morals, that the world is not and has not always been a brutal place where people do brutal things with unfortunate regularity. Best we not delude ourselves further and instead acknowledge that the problem is too many people, even if they are a tiny majority, like or don't care about IS, the number is significant. And that if the Shia/Sunni mess which is at the root of a lot of geopolitical conflict in the region still flares up as we know it does, after 1000 years, it is impossible to fully eliminate.
First thoughts on your article:
1) Stick together
resist blaming the migrant crisis
- true; nevertheless our response to the migrant crisis must take account of the wider factors.
2) The long war
accept some degree of empowering the security services in ways we might not like
- maybe, but probably there will be other 'things we might not like' which will have to be swallowed.
3) Military action
Do we have the stomach for it?
- Before we decide how many troops we are going to send abroad, we need to give some attention to that old sit-com stand-by Home Defence.
http://www.breitbart.com/londo...
"At the “Quiz a Muslim” event held last night in the Corn Exchange in
Bedford, panelists called British values were “junk”, demanded that
Muslims should “define” British law, and ominously, appeared to suggest Muslims were at war with the British.
'They could always go and live in the Middle East. Oh wait, it's a war zone.'
Plenty of countries in the Middle East area that don't have wars that i'm sure they would be more comfortable living in.
Al Q's becoming pretty much a busted flush: their USP for such-minded idiots has been taken over by ISIS.
So yes, we'd still have trouble even without the Iraq War. It'd just have a different form, and perhaps be in a different place: Pakistan perhaps.
2. Tolerate more state interference, snooping, email surveillance, whatever they want basically. Goodness, what a surprise.
3. Bomb Syria.
4. Invade Syria.
Thanks for that Kieran.
I feel this is angel-head nitpicking differentiation by Keiran. We already have a substantial problem, adding to it doesn't help - it makes a bad situation more dangerous.
Only offensive actions can work on this, by moving the battlefield to the enemy, but the necessary brutality and realpolitics is not the style of the west since the second world war, again only the russians have shown in Chechnya what is necessary to subdue a radical muslim population to submission short of genocide. So imperial colonial traditions will have to be revived with all the nastiness that it entails, alternatively the UN can take over since a multinational UN force to subdue large portions of the muslim world that are currently in anarchy is more politically palatable than raising old anti-colonial feelings.
In short, the only thing that the government can do by itself is a good immigration policy, and ask for military help from non-western great powers to subdue the middle east, better to have Brazilian, Indian and Chinese troops mixed with western troops under the UN banner rather that western troops only under the american one in the middle east.
http://stopwar.org.uk/index.php/resources/stop-the-war-statements/stop-the-war-statement-the-terrorist-atrocity-in-paris-13-february-2015
Leaving it to the Sunnis and Shias to sort themselves out. What would STC say if there was an extended bloodbath?
Remind me when Corbyn left this mob?
@YanniKouts: #Greece PublicOrderMin Toskas confirms Paris attacker w Syrian passport was registered as refugee on Leros island in Oct. /via @AntennaNews
Besides the FSA wasn't starting from zero. They'd already taken large swathes of the country by Aug 13 which of course was why Assad felt backed into a corner.
' We must also resist suspicious glances at Muslims in general, 99.9% of whom deplore such actions as the Muslim Council of Britain has made clear.'
Any real evidence to support your 99.9% claim ?
The usual vacuous waffle from the Muslim Council every time we have mass murder is clearly not evidence.
Commonplace ritual slaughter of animals halal style ? How do you think Kosher meat comes to the table ?
Anti-Semitism ? I didn't know Hitler and the Nazis were Muslims.
Electoral fraud ? "Vote early, vote often".
Gay bashing ? Clause 28.
Thousands of young men are going to be very angry and disillusioned when they don't get the house/job/money/bride they were expecting when they made it to Europe.
I have little time for the ‘The Muslim Council of GB’ and will continue to do so until their apologist rhetoric for Muslim atrocities within UK is matched by their corresponding condemnation of it.
If only that 99.6% was true Mr Pedley. I did a quick search and found a poll from ICM quoted in the Labour party supporting Mirror. "It found that 3% have a “very favourable view”, up 1% from a year ago – suggesting that around half of Britain's three million Muslims could be ISIS sympathisers. " Was this survey completely wrong when we have hundreds rushing to join the death cult?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-leader-isis-supporting-brits-disenfranchised-6018357
What exactly is your strategy to deal with the 1.5 million people said to support this bunch of rabid murderers? How can a country hope to have a cohesive safe environment when such a large number of its citizens think this way?
You know in British terms Merkel would be forced to resign.
I wonder how the Scots will feel about the thousands of refugees that Sturgeon wants to wave into Scotland.
Will we now read that "Yes but its only 0.000001% of the refugees who are terrorists...."
Eh Mr Pedley and the BBC Guardianista hand wringing moralising nut jobs?
We are lucky we didn't get many of those syrian refugees, thank's to the channel.
Gay rights is a modern idea as is female equality. Antisemitism was commonplace. While ritual slaughter has existed in this country since time immemorial, halal is just a translation of kosher, they are the same thing and we have (despite antisemitism) long allowed kosher slaughter.
We should be rid of them I agree. But these are not new imports.
Nailed it.
That's the maths.
Of course, if we look back several decades or more, we can find many examples. I'm talking about now and in only certain very specific sections of society. Pretending this isn't true, insults everyone's intelligence. I'm not including you here.
Anyone who has lobbied for gay rights, against fascism, for female equality and so on can only logically take a position against Islamists and the creed they follow.
@iainmartin1: .@cathynewman Sure. But a mindset that has dominated for 25 years - on migration, borders, security - has had it.
It is why Al Qaeda could get plenty of recruits, and perform atrocities, before 2001.
Can anyone pinpoint where it all went down hill?
Yet, you are saying that the situation in modern society is worse than these due to immigration of an ethnic minority since the 1960s?
A key point seems to be a belief in Caliphate and the need to wage 'aggressive' jihad (as opposed to 'defensive' jihad in response to events or threats). Their entire outlook is utterly nihilistic and seems, from my reading, to have more in common with the Nazi view of the need for total war in order to demonstrate who belongs to the superior race or, in this case, creed. The Stop the War brigade seem to think there is a negotiation to be had. Can they elaborate? From my reading this is sheer fantasy.
@jessicaelgot: We do not know if the passport holder is the Paris gunman - Syrian passports are valuable currency.
@jessicaelgot: The passport was found on the gunman's body. No official sources have said the holder and the gunman are the same person.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_astronomy
Germany, since 1945, is possibly the greatest example of a society fully and unconditionally taking responsibility for its disastrous decisions.
But if Cameron says calm down dear, the outcry is deafening.
Another person who helped Arab Terrorism is someone called the Lawrence of Arabia. But he was getting rid of the Turks, so OK then.
Rightly or wrongly, I interpreted the use of intergenerational here to mean 'lasting longer than a single generation'.
I think it's true that this is not going to be won in a single generation. But we either make a start now, or leave our children & grandchildren facing an even worse prospect.