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Is probably unfounded speculation on my part, but was the attack at the Stade de France an attempted assassination on Hollande?0
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Country rediscovers what borders are for.isam said:Hollande has closed french borders
Very sad but will be a wake-up call to the European elite/wets who think that you can open the gates to millions of third world types and somehow not expect your country to become like the third world.
If European countries all had proper borders it would of course be far more difficult for terrorists and mass immigration to take place. Very simple.
Schengen could only work if the outer border of the zone was a proper border. Erm.0 -
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Maybe not directly but it could be just a statement.TheScreamingEagles said:Is probably unfounded speculation on my part, but was the attack at the Stade de France an attempted assassination on Hollande?
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@OllyT
'Can't find adequate words of sympathy for those caught up in this. I suspect every secular western democracy with a significant Islamic minority is destined to have major problems over the coming years. Sadly I can also see the far right rising in each of these countries as well as a reaction to the fear. Didn't it occur to any of our politicians that allowing the mass immigration of people with medieval, intolerant, mysoginist, homophobic and anti-western beliefs into our countries wasn't going to end well? '
And Merkel has just invited another million + to come to Europe with zero security vetting.
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So no statement of support for France from Merkel yet? Very strange that she would keep quiet, unless she's gone into a funk.0
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Well I doubt it will be what Mr Rentoul posted on Twitter !flightpath01 said:
Do ISIS have any coherent leadership or strategy? It does not seem to be leading them anywhere.Pulpstar said:
I doubt ISIS give a rat's ass who is in charge of the European powers, Cameron, Le Pen, Corbyn, Merkel etc.AndyJS said:
If they believe her election would lead to maximum chaos and unrest in the country, they would support that outcome, probably.notme said:
I doubt that is a purpose, why?? It would be a consequence, but not a purpose unless you are a false flag believer. I doubt ISIS could care less about the internal politics of France.AndyJS said:One of the purposes of this attack is probably to provoke a reaction leading to a Le Pen win in the presidential election.
Now Corbyn is in the Privy Council and will have had told to him the true state of the world, what will he say?0 -
Indeed and Le Pen was already top in a poll today on round 1 that will only increaseSpeedy said:
Action-Reaction.HYUFD said:Geert Wilders 'This is war. Nothing else'
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The kernel of the failure of IS as a directed and effective unit and movement is already in evidence. Much of it will be self inflicted.The_Apocalypse said:I refuse to believe that ISIS will win this war. We simply can't let them, and if all the European countries + America unite together, I'm sure we can win this war.
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The IRA were more sophisticated. They almost managed to bump off the UK government. They also lobbed mortars at No 10.Floater said:Richard - this is nothing less than a clash of "civilizations" - to compare the current situation to the IRA is frankly laughable.
Look, I've been one of those arguing for us not to under-estimate the threat of terrorist attacks, arguing against people who have complacently said that the risk is not a big deal. But equally, we need to keep a sense of perspective. This is not the Blitz.0 -
Glad you said it instead of me... AmazingTGOHF said:
Whatever tonight is TSE - it ain't about you - give it a fucking rest eh ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Alas no, they were very sober shoes.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Just to lighten things. Was it your shoes?TheScreamingEagles said:
I also noticed they were looking at me very closely.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Christian Fraser @ChristianFraser 10m10 minutes agoTheScreamingEagles said:
When I was in Paris a few weeks ago, I noticed a much more visible Police presence at Gare du Nord and other touristy places.watford30 said:
The Gendarmerie are a paramilitary force. They'll likely be reinforced with regular troops at sensitive sites.TheWhiteRabbit said:
You can mobilise the regulars, linguistically speaking; not all regularly are war-ready at any particular time.flightpath01 said:
I agree. I am not sure to what extent Schengen is directly relevant but this on top of the clear change in the whole picture of mass movements of ultimately millions of people shows it is a busted flush.watford30 said:That's the end of Schengen.
The French Army are mobilising.
On a pedantic point I am not sure 'mobilising' is the right word, unless the French are indeed calling up reservists.
Paris was already at highest level of alert. The French army guarding train stations, synagogues, tourist sites. Dreading the next attack/s
Judging by what I'm reading on twitter, I'm likely to get deported along with every other Muslim in the country, so enjoy my shoes whilst you can.0 -
I did not particularly want to raise this at this moment, but it is a fair question.SimonStClare said:
Indeed - A large and coordinated attack on this scale should not have escaped the attention of the French security services. French MI5 asleep at the wheel?AndyJS said:
It's concerning they could do this without being infiltrated by the security services or having their communications hacked.Slackbladder said:This is a huge attack. Multiple people, clearly a large network. How can this happen ?
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Of course ISIS can't win in Europe. The question is just how much serious disintegration of the Middle East they can cause.The_Apocalypse said:I refuse to believe that ISIS will win this war. We simply can't let them, and if all the European countries + America unite together, I'm sure we can win this war.
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and you.TGOHF said:
Whatever tonight is TSE - it ain't about you - give it a fucking rest eh ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Alas no, they were very sober shoes.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Just to lighten things. Was it your shoes?TheScreamingEagles said:
I also noticed they were looking at me very closely.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Christian Fraser @ChristianFraser 10m10 minutes agoTheScreamingEagles said:
When I was in Paris a few weeks ago, I noticed a much more visible Police presence at Gare du Nord and other touristy places.watford30 said:
The Gendarmerie are a paramilitary force. They'll likely be reinforced with regular troops at sensitive sites.TheWhiteRabbit said:
You can mobilise the regulars, linguistically speaking; not all regularly are war-ready at any particular time.flightpath01 said:
I agree. I am not sure to what extent Schengen is directly relevant but this on top of the clear change in the whole picture of mass movements of ultimately millions of people shows it is a busted flush.watford30 said:That's the end of Schengen.
The French Army are mobilising.
On a pedantic point I am not sure 'mobilising' is the right word, unless the French are indeed calling up reservists.
Paris was already at highest level of alert. The French army guarding train stations, synagogues, tourist sites. Dreading the next attack/s
Judging by what I'm reading on twitter, I'm likely to get deported along with every other Muslim in the country, so enjoy my shoes whilst you can.0 -
I wonder how many Israelis/Jewish are in the concert hall that is being stormed?0
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Stepped away for two hours. Didn't realise how bad things were, 100 people being held hostage? Terrible. My thoughts are with the French tonight.0
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Ongoing assault on Concert Hall. GIGN?0
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No he is right. It is certainly a big issue and must be faced.Floater said:
Richard - this is nothing less than a clash of "civilizations" - to compare the current situation to the IRA is frankly laughable.Richard_Nabavi said:
Now now, keep a sense of perspective! This is a very nasty set of terrorist attacks, like the IRA bombings of the 70s and 80s, but it's not the end of civilisation.Cyclefree said:Yes - but also fight back and defeat this evil. Not just endure it. Long past the time for us to stoically endure this evil. We need to hit back hard and defeat it. I'm not prepared to let European civilization go down without a fight.
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It's not - yet. Though I am struggling to remember any IRA attack at any point during the Troubles when there were 6 attacks in the same day in London or any other city on civilian targets.Richard_Nabavi said:
Now now, keep a sense of perspective! This is a very nasty set of terrorist attacks, like the IRA bombings of the 70s and 80s, but it's not the end of civilisation.Cyclefree said:Yes - but also fight back and defeat this evil. Not just endure it. Long past the time for us to stoically endure this evil. We need to hit back hard and defeat it. I'm not prepared to let European civilization go down without a fight.
But I have no doubt that IS and those like them do hate and would like to destroy Western civilization, indeed any sort of civilization at all. What do you think the destruction of Palmyra is about, for instance? Or the attacks on Charlie Hebdo?
The sooner and the harder we fight back, the greater our chances of making sure this does not get any worse.
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Cyclefree said:SouthamObserver said:
A wicked, surreal night. Evil literally walking through the streets of one of the world's greatest cities. All strength to France and the French people. Endure and overcome. There is no other choice.
Yes - but also fight back and defeat this evil. Not just endure it. Long past the time for us to stoically endure this evil. We need to hit back hard and defeat it. I'm not prepared to let European civilization go down without a fight.
With respect, Richard, your own perspective may need adjusting. The IRA bombers weren't accompanied by millions of refugees/migrants all intent on setting up home in the UK, which Europe is now facing.Richard_Nabavi said:
Now now, keep a sense of perspective! This is a very nasty set of terrorist attacks, like the IRA bombings of the 70s and 80s, but it's not the end of civilisation.Cyclefree said:Yes - but also fight back and defeat this evil. Not just endure it. Long past the time for us to stoically endure this evil. We need to hit back hard and defeat it. I'm not prepared to let European civilization go down without a fight.
Paradoxically, the present atrocities may make it easier for the European public to defend their civilisation against the peaceful invasion.0 -
I thought Schengen included provision for emergency closures anyway?Richard_Tyndall said:Interesting that on France 24 the commentators are still talking about how Hollande will have trouble closing the borders because of Schengen. They seem totally divorced from the reality of what is happening.
However, I can see that there might be a practical problem, in that they've probably dismantled a lot of the organisation and physical facilities.0 -
Of course. That is how ingrained the mix of wet-lefty-liberal mentality together with the European integration dream is with the majority on the continent (and many here in Britain). Our leaders either need to get real - NOW - or we will face collapse as a civilizaton.Richard_Tyndall said:
Interesting that on France 24 the commentators are still talking about how Hollande will have trouble closing the borders because of Schengen. They seem totally divorced from the reality of what is happening.SouthamObserver said:The sea is our very good friend. Border controls too. Schengen is dead.
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There are more Moslems in France than in any other European country. The dynamics of their arrival there have very little to do with the EU and a lot to do with French history.0
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I hope so. At this stage I feel like we should be closing our borders too, it feels like we've been unbelievably lucky not to have an ISIS related attack here.Y0kel said:
The kernel of the failure of IS as a directed and effective unit and movement is already in evidence. Much of it will be self inflicted.The_Apocalypse said:I refuse to believe that ISIS will win this war. We simply can't let them, and if all the European countries + America unite together, I'm sure we can win this war.
But why France? Why does do these attacks keep happening there?0 -
We (the West) need to grow a backbone and deal with IS in Syria and Iraq.CornishBlue said:
Of course. That is how ingrained the mix of wet-lefty-liberal mentality together with the European integration dream is with the majority on the continent (and many here in Britain). Our leaders either need to get real - NOW - or we will face collapse as a civilizaton.Richard_Tyndall said:
Interesting that on France 24 the commentators are still talking about how Hollande will have trouble closing the borders because of Schengen. They seem totally divorced from the reality of what is happening.SouthamObserver said:The sea is our very good friend. Border controls too. Schengen is dead.
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It's too big to be an assassination attempt, and many innocent french have been killed.TheScreamingEagles said:Is probably unfounded speculation on my part, but was the attack at the Stade de France an attempted assassination on Hollande?
However a frenchman tried to kill him during a 14th July parade at a time where there were rumours of a military coup to depose him, Hollande is very unpopular so many frenchmen wouldn't mind, but killing lots of innocent people just to get him is not in the style of french nationalist circles.0 -
Yes... and sort out our immigration policy.RobD said:
We (the West) need to grow a backbone and deal with IS in Syria and Iraq.CornishBlue said:
Of course. That is how ingrained the mix of wet-lefty-liberal mentality together with the European integration dream is with the majority on the continent (and many here in Britain). Our leaders either need to get real - NOW - or we will face collapse as a civilizaton.Richard_Tyndall said:
Interesting that on France 24 the commentators are still talking about how Hollande will have trouble closing the borders because of Schengen. They seem totally divorced from the reality of what is happening.SouthamObserver said:The sea is our very good friend. Border controls too. Schengen is dead.
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@newtgingrich: Imagine a theater with 10 or 15 citizens with concealed carry permits. We live in an age when evil men have to be killed by good people0
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An interesting point is that no-one knows how many Muslims are in France because it's forbidden to ask religious questions in censuses. There are just rough estimates.SouthamObserver said:There are more Moslems in France than in any other European country. The dynamics of their arrival there have very little to do with the EU and a lot to do with French history.
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Yes you are right about the frighteningly small bunch that is needed for this. There will be a trail back to somewhere but it will be a thin one.Y0kel said:
If they are they've gone for the least worst option, if there is line up killing going on, which is a quick strike. I just fear that the most opportune timing moment of 2-3 hours has passed. If so the complications multiply.Scott_P said:Police may now be storming Bataclan
Active measures units will often have a database of key buildings that not includes floor plans but have also been surveyed. I have no doubts whatsoever the French have one, its really a question of whether they have one for that theatre. Priceless if they do.
It will be interesting to see the weapon source and whether some dodge-pot in the Benelux region was involved somewhere down the line.
Slackbladder, you could do this with less than a dozen shooters and a few dumbos with the desire to press the big button on their chest.0 -
How many mass shootings have been stopped as someone has a concealed weapon?TheScreamingEagles said:@newtgingrich: Imagine a theater with 10 or 15 citizens with concealed carry permits. We live in an age when evil men have to be killed by good people
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Can you just begin to imagine the fallout if one or more of these guys has entered France in the last months weeks and days undercover of the migrants crisis.MikeK said:So no statement of support for France from Merkel yet? Very strange that she would keep quiet, unless she's gone into a funk.
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Bell End.TheScreamingEagles said:@newtgingrich: Imagine a theater with 10 or 15 citizens with concealed carry permits. We live in an age when evil men have to be killed by good people
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None or one.RobD said:
How many mass shootings have been stopped as someone has a concealed weapon?TheScreamingEagles said:@newtgingrich: Imagine a theater with 10 or 15 citizens with concealed carry permits. We live in an age when evil men have to be killed by good people
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Very, very big, long-established Moslem population with close links to North Africa and Middle East. A lot of disaffected second and third generation young men. Lots of places to hide.The_Apocalypse said:
I hope so. At this stage I feel like we should be closing our borders too, it feels like we've been unbelievably lucky not to have an ISIS related attack here.Y0kel said:
The kernel of the failure of IS as a directed and effective unit and movement is already in evidence. Much of it will be self inflicted.The_Apocalypse said:I refuse to believe that ISIS will win this war. We simply can't let them, and if all the European countries + America unite together, I'm sure we can win this war.
But why France? Why does do these attacks keep happening there?
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She came out with a statement an hour agoMikeK said:So no statement of support for France from Merkel yet? Very strange that she would keep quiet, unless she's gone into a funk.
BERLIN: German Chancellor Angela Merkel said she was "profoundly shocked" by a string of deadly attacks in Paris Friday that left at least 39 people dead.
"I am profoundly shocked by the news and images from Paris. At this time, my thoughts are with the victims of these apparently terrorist attacks, and with their families and all residents of Paris," Merkel said in a statement.
http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/profoundly-shocked-by-paris-terrorist-attacks-angela-merkel-12432280 -
Now that will have big long lasting implications as the blame can be straightly followed back to Berlin.Moses_ said:
Can you just begin to imagine the fallout if one or more of these guys has entered France in the last months weeks and days undercover of the migrants crisis.MikeK said:So no statement of support for France from Merkel yet? Very strange that she would keep quiet, unless she's gone into a funk.
Goodnight.
Let's hope no other is killed tonight.0 -
Yes, France is a secular nation. But its right to point out the dynamics of France's Muslim population has nothing to do with the EU. Like many countries France has a colonial history.AndyJS said:
An interesting point is that no-one knows how many Muslims are in France because it's forbidden to ask religious questions in censuses. There are just rough estimates.SouthamObserver said:There are more Moslems in France than in any other European country. The dynamics of their arrival there have very little to do with the EU and a lot to do with French history.
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Julian Assande misreads the mood
At least 39 dead in French terror attacks this evening. France has closed borders. US, UK, France fed ISIS. Not so funny now, is it?@wikileaks0 -
I can't recall anyRobD said:
How many mass shootings have been stopped as someone has a concealed weapon?TheScreamingEagles said:@newtgingrich: Imagine a theater with 10 or 15 citizens with concealed carry permits. We live in an age when evil men have to be killed by good people
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Merkel
She is deeply shaken by the attacks. Sky news.
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I don't understand how objections would survive but they will, from the usual suspects.Slackbladder said:
On the basis of fhis let the intelligence services have every single thing they bloody well need.AndyJS said:
It's concerning they could do this without being infiltrated by the security services or having their communications hacked.Slackbladder said:This is a huge attack. Multiple people, clearly a large network. How can this happen ?
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More of a bell end than GingrichHYUFD said:Julian Assande misreads the mood
At least 39 dead in French terror attacks this evening. France has closed borders. US, UK, France fed ISIS. Not so funny now, is it?@wikileaks
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It be fair if they were stopped, then they never became a mass shooting in the first place....but i agree with the pointTheScreamingEagles said:
I can't recall anyRobD said:
How many mass shootings have been stopped as someone has a concealed weapon?TheScreamingEagles said:@newtgingrich: Imagine a theater with 10 or 15 citizens with concealed carry permits. We live in an age when evil men have to be killed by good people
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Spare a thought for the police/special forces tasked with storming that theatre, if that is indeed underway. Having to do it at such short notice, probably with vague intelligence, against terrorists hopped up on adrenaline from the earlier attack. It will be a very grim night ahead, I fear.0
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Wouldn't it be obvious a mass shooting was about to start though? Body armour, round for machine guns etc?Slackbladder said:
It be fair if they were stopped, then they never became a mass shooting in the first place....but i agree with the pointTheScreamingEagles said:
I can't recall anyRobD said:
How many mass shootings have been stopped as someone has a concealed weapon?TheScreamingEagles said:@newtgingrich: Imagine a theater with 10 or 15 citizens with concealed carry permits. We live in an age when evil men have to be killed by good people
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Thank you for pointing that out. Clearly the usual suspects are already rowing in with the usual insinuations.TheScreamingEagles said:
She came out with a statement an hour agoMikeK said:So no statement of support for France from Merkel yet? Very strange that she would keep quiet, unless she's gone into a funk.
BERLIN: German Chancellor Angela Merkel said she was "profoundly shocked" by a string of deadly attacks in Paris Friday that left at least 39 people dead.
"I am profoundly shocked by the news and images from Paris. At this time, my thoughts are with the victims of these apparently terrorist attacks, and with their families and all residents of Paris," Merkel said in a statement.
http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/profoundly-shocked-by-paris-terrorist-attacks-angela-merkel-1243228
I'll go with the thread header and just feel plain sickened and hope for the best for Paris and the French .
I'll leave all the frenzy making to others.
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Having a significant fast growing minority of an insurgent religion in a country leads to this. When will people accept it and deal with it? What will it take?0
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Perhaps it would help if you realised that the French already have the snooping laws you are trying to support in the UK and it has made not a blind bit of difference. The French authorities have far more power over the population than we have in the UK and what good has that done them?ReggieCide said:
I don't understand how objections would survive but they will, from the usual suspects.Slackbladder said:
On the basis of fhis let the intelligence services have every single thing they bloody well need.AndyJS said:
It's concerning they could do this without being infiltrated by the security services or having their communications hacked.Slackbladder said:This is a huge attack. Multiple people, clearly a large network. How can this happen ?
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RichardRichard_Nabavi said:
The IRA were more sophisticated. They almost managed to bump off the UK government. They also lobbed mortars at No 10.Floater said:Richard - this is nothing less than a clash of "civilizations" - to compare the current situation to the IRA is frankly laughable.
Look, I've been one of those arguing for us not to under-estimate the threat of terrorist attacks, arguing against people who have complacently said that the risk is not a big deal. But equally, we need to keep a sense of perspective. This is not the Blitz.
They are killing the children of French parents tonight. They will be killing the children of British parents next on the streets of London. That's the prospective and that is why we have to band together , hunt these vermin down and eradicate them permanently.0 -
Who was making the book?Pong said:I'm a prick.
I've just placed a large bet based on the possible implications of this.
Sorry France.
Donation to children in need is on its way. Dunno why, but it seems appropriate.
Sorry again.
RIP.0 -
Reuters
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@CNBCnow: BREAKING: French TV reports that the hostage situation at the Paris concert hall is over and two attackers killed. https://t.co/pJRBJMrixA0
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I'm guessing it was the referendum result. The odds have been taken downReggieCide said:
Who was making the book?Pong said:I'm a prick.
I've just placed a large bet based on the possible implications of this.
Sorry France.
Donation to children in need is on its way. Dunno why, but it seems appropriate.
Sorry again.
RIP.
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One of my first posts on PB was in the hours after Michael Jackson's death.isam said:
Shades of cantor index scum on 9/11, although it crossed my mind...Pong said:I'm a prick.
I've just placed a large bet based on the possible implications of this.
Sorry France.
Donation to children in need is on its way. Dunno why, but it seems appropriate.
Sorry again.
RIP.
Partybets were taking wagers on how many of his summer concerts would go ahead. IIRC, "No concerts" was available @ 7/2. It would have been a little rude not to...
I probably should be a little more careful moralising about John Rentoul's tweets in future.0 -
You are very, very naive - there is a global problem and has been for years.Richard_Nabavi said:
The IRA were more sophisticated. They almost managed to bump off the UK government. They also lobbed mortars at No 10.Floater said:Richard - this is nothing less than a clash of "civilizations" - to compare the current situation to the IRA is frankly laughable.
Look, I've been one of those arguing for us not to under-estimate the threat of terrorist attacks, arguing against people who have complacently said that the risk is not a big deal. But equally, we need to keep a sense of perspective. This is not the Blitz.0 -
Sky - Bataclan op over.0
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It'll be more than adrenaline.TwistedFireStopper said:Spare a thought for the police/special forces tasked with storming that theatre, if that is indeed underway. Having to do it at such short notice, probably with vague intelligence, against terrorists hopped up on adrenaline from the earlier attack. It will be a very grim night ahead, I fear.
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Theatre cleared by French security forces.0
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Oddschecker blue on remain 45-50 and 50-55... Life goes on it seemsPong said:
One of my first posts on PB was in the hours after Michael Jackson's death.isam said:
Shades of cantor index scum on 9/11, although it crossed my mind...Pong said:I'm a prick.
I've just placed a large bet based on the possible implications of this.
Sorry France.
Donation to children in need is on its way. Dunno why, but it seems appropriate.
Sorry again.
RIP.
Partybets were taking wagers on how many of his summer concerts would go ahead. IIRC, "No concerts" was available @ 7/2. It would have been a little rude not to...
I probably should be a little more careful moralising about John Rentoul's tweets in future.0 -
This is substantially more deadly than anything the IRA did.Richard_Nabavi said:
Now now, keep a sense of perspective! This is a very nasty set of terrorist attacks, like the IRA bombings of the 70s and 80s, but it's not the end of civilisation.Cyclefree said:Yes - but also fight back and defeat this evil. Not just endure it. Long past the time for us to stoically endure this evil. We need to hit back hard and defeat it. I'm not prepared to let European civilization go down without a fight.
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Two terrorists reportedly killed as security forces operation continues at Bataclan.watford30 said:Theatre cleared by French security forces.
Henry Samuel reports:
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"Apocalypptic" scenes inside the Bataclan, where assailants attacked the crowd with grenades leaving many dead, say police. Two gunmen have been killed in police raid, but the death toll likely to rise steeply.
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At least the French police dont mess around at all.0
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Various reasons:The_Apocalypse said:
I hope so. At this stage I feel like we should be closing our borders too, it feels like we've been unbelievably lucky not to have an ISIS related attack here.Y0kel said:
The kernel of the failure of IS as a directed and effective unit and movement is already in evidence. Much of it will be self inflicted.The_Apocalypse said:I refuse to believe that ISIS will win this war. We simply can't let them, and if all the European countries + America unite together, I'm sure we can win this war.
But why France? Why does do these attacks keep happening there?
Highly radicalised population with a big population to act as a support base. Large number of criminal Islamic youth, land borders with other locations in Europe, history via Algeria and Tunisia in particular but large parts of the Middle East overall, some very severe legal and procedural restrictions on anti terrorism operations and tools, plus there has been a bleed of information that made its way to Islamists, and the basic unpredictability to stop every attack going.
The French intelligence services are no slouches, they already have a short list on this one.
Way back after Charlie Hebdo I posted on here on some shortcomings in the intelligence jigsaw picture in France that, if in place, accelerates knowledge with the ability to predict and take action. The UK is a bit better off but nowhere near enough to be complacent.
Operation largely complete at the theatre, two perpetrators dead. Civilian casualties unknown. They may have pulled off a decent job.
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Yes about time he faced the music, meanwhile in the last half hour my twitter feed has had messages from Katie Price, Richard Branson, Donald Trump, Garry Kasparov, Jenson Button, Emma Watson, Piers Morgan, John McDonnell, Rio Ferdinand, Alexis Tsipras, Newt Gingrich, Justin Trudeau, Jack Whitehall, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Crowe, John McCain, Angus Robertson, Arnold Schwarzanneger, Goldie Hawn and Danny Cipriani all on the same subject of the events in Paris. The one exception Paris Hilton who tweeted 'Love this glam by @EtienneOrtega! He is the best!'RobD said:
More of a bell end than GingrichHYUFD said:Julian Assande misreads the mood
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We might be better placed tomorrow to make such judgments.Floater said:
Richard - this is nothing less than a clash of "civilizations" - to compare the current situation to the IRA is frankly laughable.Richard_Nabavi said:
Now now, keep a sense of perspective! This is a very nasty set of terrorist attacks, like the IRA bombings of the 70s and 80s, but it's not the end of civilisation.Cyclefree said:Yes - but also fight back and defeat this evil. Not just endure it. Long past the time for us to stoically endure this evil. We need to hit back hard and defeat it. I'm not prepared to let European civilization go down without a fight.
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The IRA didn't go for the suicide option either. They weren't looking to get killed.david_herdson said:
This is substantially more deadly than anything the IRA did.Richard_Nabavi said:
Now now, keep a sense of perspective! This is a very nasty set of terrorist attacks, like the IRA bombings of the 70s and 80s, but it's not the end of civilisation.Cyclefree said:Yes - but also fight back and defeat this evil. Not just endure it. Long past the time for us to stoically endure this evil. We need to hit back hard and defeat it. I'm not prepared to let European civilization go down without a fight.
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I agree. When did I ever say otherwise? And we also need good intelligence, and as effective an anti-radicalisation programme as we can manage, and well-thought out and executed interventions in places like Syria and Iraq, and we need very good gun control (luckily we have that in the UK). That way we can reduce, though never eliminate, the risk.Moses_ said:Richard
They are killing the children of French parents tonight. They will be killing the children of British parents next on the streets of London. That's the prospective and that is why we have to band together , hunt these vermin down and eradicate them permanently.
In addition, the continental EU countries need to do something about border controls and Schengen - although I very much doubt if tonight's events are in any direct way related to the migrant crisis.0 -
@itvnews: Eagles of Death - band due to play at Bataclan in #Paris where hostages have been taken - are still unaccounted for http://www.itv.com/news/story/2015-11-13/at-least-40-dead-in-attacks-around-paris/ …0
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Well, none, because ultimately the problem isn't about how much snooping is going on, but the on-going mass immigration of people who not only don't integrate with us, but actively hate us.Richard_Tyndall said:
Perhaps it would help if you realised that the French already have the snooping laws you are trying to support in the UK and it has made not a blind bit of difference. The French authorities have far more power over the population than we have in the UK and what good has that done them?ReggieCide said:
I don't understand how objections would survive but they will, from the usual suspects.Slackbladder said:
On the basis of fhis let the intelligence services have every single thing they bloody well need.AndyJS said:
It's concerning they could do this without being infiltrated by the security services or having their communications hacked.Slackbladder said:This is a huge attack. Multiple people, clearly a large network. How can this happen ?
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How widely known is it usually as to whether a top level individual will attend a given event, a few days beforehand?TheScreamingEagles said:Is probably unfounded speculation on my part, but was the attack at the Stade de France an attempted assassination on Hollande?
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Worst single outrage during the Troubles was Omagh, 1998 - 29 dead.david_herdson said:
This is substantially more deadly than anything the IRA did.Richard_Nabavi said:
Now now, keep a sense of perspective! This is a very nasty set of terrorist attacks, like the IRA bombings of the 70s and 80s, but it's not the end of civilisation.Cyclefree said:Yes - but also fight back and defeat this evil. Not just endure it. Long past the time for us to stoically endure this evil. We need to hit back hard and defeat it. I'm not prepared to let European civilization go down without a fight.
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That was one big bomb, wasn't it. I can't recall an IRA attack where multiple targets are hit simultaneously.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Worst single outrage during the Troubles was Omagh, 1998 - 29 dead.david_herdson said:
This is substantially more deadly than anything the IRA did.Richard_Nabavi said:
Now now, keep a sense of perspective! This is a very nasty set of terrorist attacks, like the IRA bombings of the 70s and 80s, but it's not the end of civilisation.Cyclefree said:Yes - but also fight back and defeat this evil. Not just endure it. Long past the time for us to stoically endure this evil. We need to hit back hard and defeat it. I'm not prepared to let European civilization go down without a fight.
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police say death toll will rise steeply.
Still , like the troubles eh?
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I'm naive? LOL!Floater said:
You are very, very naive - there is a global problem and has been for years.Richard_Nabavi said:
The IRA were more sophisticated. They almost managed to bump off the UK government. They also lobbed mortars at No 10.Floater said:Richard - this is nothing less than a clash of "civilizations" - to compare the current situation to the IRA is frankly laughable.
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I point you to Israel.TheScreamingEagles said:
I can't recall anyRobD said:
How many mass shootings have been stopped as someone has a concealed weapon?TheScreamingEagles said:@newtgingrich: Imagine a theater with 10 or 15 citizens with concealed carry permits. We live in an age when evil men have to be killed by good people
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Suspect the death toll is going to rise quite a bit. Police say it is 'very messy' inside the theatre. Ugh..0
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I've been watching a film all evening. Only just caught up on the news.
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Have a cherry colaTheScreamingEagles said:@itvnews: Eagles of Death - band due to play at Bataclan in #Paris where hostages have been taken - are still unaccounted for http://www.itv.com/news/story/2015-11-13/at-least-40-dead-in-attacks-around-paris/ …
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@AliM27_: Reports and photo evidence that the 'Jungle' refugee camp in #Calais has been set on fire https://t.co/KUA20i0fwL0
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I’m impressed by the French. They didn’t hang about once the attacks kicked off.0
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This is not just a northern hemisphere issueThe_Apocalypse said:I refuse to believe that ISIS will win this war. We simply can't let them, and if all the European countries + America unite together, I'm sure we can win this war.
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When they assassinated Lord Mountbatten they also killed a lot of British soldiers the same day in a separate incident is the one I recall.RobD said:
That was one big bomb, wasn't it. I can't recall an IRA attack where multiple targets are hit simultaneously.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Worst single outrage during the Troubles was Omagh, 1998 - 29 dead.david_herdson said:
This is substantially more deadly than anything the IRA did.Richard_Nabavi said:
Now now, keep a sense of perspective! This is a very nasty set of terrorist attacks, like the IRA bombings of the 70s and 80s, but it's not the end of civilisation.Cyclefree said:Yes - but also fight back and defeat this evil. Not just endure it. Long past the time for us to stoically endure this evil. We need to hit back hard and defeat it. I'm not prepared to let European civilization go down without a fight.
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Richard_Nabavi said:
I agree. When did I ever say otherwise? And we also need good intelligence, and as effective an anti-radicalisation programme as we can manage, and well-thought out and executed interventions in places like Syria and Iraq, and we need very good gun control (luckily we have that in the UK). That way we can reduce, though never eliminate, the risk.Moses_ said:Richard
They are killing the children of French parents tonight. They will be killing the children of British parents next on the streets of London. That's the prospective and that is why we have to band together , hunt these vermin down and eradicate them permanently.
In addition, the continental EU countries need to do something about border controls and Schengen - although I very much doubt if tonight's events are in any direct way related to the migrant crisis.
You miss out the most important thing which is not to let into Europe people from war torn and extremist countries or from groups prone to extremism.0 -
Our government (by and large) has a much better grip on the migration crisis than mainland European countries.AndyJS said:
I think the UK, Canada and the USA will be okay. The BNP have completely disintegrated here for example. The problem is mainland European countries.OllyT said:Can't find adequate words of sympathy for those caught up in this. I suspect every secular western democracy with a significant Islamic minority is destined to have major problems over the coming years. Sadly I can also see the far right rising in each of these countries as well as a reaction to the fear. Didn't it occur to any of our politicians that allowing the mass immigration of people with medieval, intolerant, mysoginist, homophobic and anti-western beliefs into our countries wasn't going to end well?
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