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Update – French media says at least 40 people are dead after a series of violent incidents in and around Paris

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  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited November 2015
    First. With sadness at the futility of these deaths.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,994
    Liberté, égalité, fraternité

    I had tickets to see the Eagles of Death Metal last Friday in Manchester.

    Jeez.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    FPT The big issues now are how do you extract 100 people from a theatre and find any runabouts. There are ways of dealing with theatre issue if a) the perpetrators are looking to create an extended event and/or b) do not get too much time or have the tools to prep.

    The French are looking at the building plans right now but any strikes prime window needs to be within 2 or so hours of the start or you are looking at an aim of holding events out for maybe 12-18 hours ideally then strike. Either is a stretch because the first requires a very rapid response and b) the latter leaves the actors a little too long to start shooting as they please.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Our thoughts tonight are simply with the people of Paris.


    Well said Editor.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    About 15 years ago my job meant I had to spend 2 days a week in Paris. I used to drive past the Stade de France on my way to and from the airport.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Probably the second ISIS attack in two weeks, assuming they were indeed responsible for the Russian air crash.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    60 dead BFMTV
  • Eh_ehm_a_ehEh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552
    More shootings?
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @AndyJS

    'Already more than twice as many as in the January attacks'


    Maybe Merkel can give us an estimate of how many thousands of additional ISIS & Al-Qaeda terrorists we now have in Europe since her open door mass immigration policy was imposed on Europe.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Another shooting reported at a shopping centre Sky news . Main shopping centre in Paris centre

  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Sky News: Another shooting at a shopping mall.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Another shooting going on - Sky
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Moses_ said:

    Another shooting reported at a shopping centre Sky news . Main shopping centre in Paris centre

    Lets wait and see, this is the running event issue i referred to in the previous thread.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited November 2015
    Centrall Les Halles shopping mall. Main station from the super bs and considered biggest underground station in Europe.

    This is not good.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak 20s21 seconds ago
    Update - Reuters: 'Europe 1' radio reports shooting at Central Les Halles shopping mall in Paris
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,170
    Terrible events in Paris tonight, sympathies with all the victims and their families.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Moses_ said:

    Centrall Les Halles shopping mall. Main station from the super bs and considered biggest underground station in Europe.

    This is not good.

    And a man with explosives at another theater I hear.

    This will be a long night.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Currently in a hotel in Manchester.

    Tragic events in Paris bringing back the bad memories from my Tunisian experience.

    Hoping fort no more deaths in Paris
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Hold everything - Obama to make a statement in 5 minutes. That'll help.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,994
    @keiranpedley: Can we all put politics aside for one night? I have strong views on this - very strong - but now is not the time #solidaritywithparis
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    BBC Newsnight: "fresh attacks taking place in the last few minutes".
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Tim_B said:

    Hold everything - Obama to make a statement in 5 minutes. That'll help.

    Yes a community organiser's words should be helpful.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    The poor French people.

    I am so fucking angry right now
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2015
    dr_spyn said:

    Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak 20s21 seconds ago
    Update - Reuters: 'Europe 1' radio reports shooting at Central Les Halles shopping mall in Paris

    The attacks seem to shifting south at walking pace.
    Close by there are two obvious targets, the Louvre and Notre Dame.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,693
    Horrible news from Paris. Hoping the police can get this under control quickly. Listening to the French TV right now and hoping the figures don't get any worse.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    bigjohnowls said:

    Currently in a hotel in Manchester.

    Tragic events in Paris bringing back the bad memories from my Tunisian experience.

    Hoping fort no more deaths in Paris

    BJK I was thinking of you earlier. This must be awful for you yet again even on TV
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Terrible events in Paris tonight, sympathies with all the victims and their families.

    Hear Hear
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    bigjohnowls said:

    Currently in a hotel in Manchester.

    Tragic events in Paris bringing back the bad memories from my Tunisian experience.

    Hoping fort no more deaths in Paris

    I started a post addressed to you along the lines that this must bring back bad memories, but didn't know how to phrase it.

    We mustn't allow ourselves to be terrorised by terrorists.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Y0kel said:

    Moses_ said:

    Another shooting reported at a shopping centre Sky news . Main shopping centre in Paris centre

    Lets wait and see, this is the running event issue i referred to in the previous thread.
    Your insights are really appreciated.

  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Y0kel said:

    Tim_B said:

    Hold everything - Obama to make a statement in 5 minutes. That'll help.

    Yes a community organiser's words should be helpful.
    It's what he does - news exists to bring you him.

    Hollande to speak at the top of the hour - now that might actually be useful.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Currently in a hotel in Manchester.

    Tragic events in Paris bringing back the bad memories from my Tunisian experience.

    Hoping fort no more deaths in Paris

    I started a post addressed to you along the lines that this must bring back bad memories, but didn't know how to phrase it.

    We mustn't allow ourselves to be terrorised by terrorists.
    I know I thought I was over it till tonight as well
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    bigjohnowls said:

    Currently in a hotel in Manchester.

    Tragic events in Paris bringing back the bad memories from my Tunisian experience.

    Hoping fort no more deaths in Paris

    I fear not as the reports seem to be of hostage taking. The second mad and sickening attack in Paris after the cartoon based attacks. These do not happen on a whim I suspect and must have been planned for some time.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2015
    Blast, just one minute after a posted that the Louvre is an obvious target close by, I hear from Sky News of shootings at the Louvre and Pombidou.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Obama speaking now.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Nadya's bakeoff recipies and suicide bombers in Paris. The good and bad of muslim immigration on one newspaper cover.

  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    foxinsoxuk said:

    First. With sadness at the futility of these deaths.

    Such a pointless waste of humanity.

    RIP.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Speedy said:

    Blast, just one minute after a posted that the Louvre is an obvious target close by, I hear from Sky News of shootings at the Louvre and Pombidou.

    Terrible news, so sad.
  • BlueberryBlueberry Posts: 408
    I reckon the Les Halles shooter will be one of the same people who carried out the earlier attacks in Republique. It's not far. Les Halles is a bit like Covent Garden - old market area, now up market shops.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,676
    bigjohnowls said:

    Currently in a hotel in Manchester.

    Tragic events in Paris bringing back the bad memories from my Tunisian experience.

    Hoping fort no more deaths in Paris

    It must be very upsetting for you having been involved in this type of trauma. Best wishes
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @keiranpedley: Can we all put politics aside for one night? I have strong views on this - very strong - but now is not the time #solidaritywithparis

    Why should we put politics aside? This is all about politics. The enemy is no longer at the gate, it's here and its got hoards of reinforcements on their way.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,173
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @keiranpedley: Can we all put politics aside for one night? I have strong views on this - very strong - but now is not the time #solidaritywithparis

    Hear hear.

    https://twitter.com/OwensDamien/status/665294191937892356
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited November 2015
    That's fucking tasteless from John Rentoul.

    Edit: to delete the embedded tweet.

    There's always one idiot. Best response is to ignore.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Nadya's bakeoff recipies and suicide bombers in Paris. The good and bad of muslim immigration on one newspaper cover.

    It hardly seems a reasonable quid pro quo.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Nadya's bakeoff recipies and suicide bombers in Paris. The good and bad of muslim immigration on one newspaper cover.

    Saw Nadya signing bake off books today at the ideal Gomes show in Manchester .
    Lovely day horriblee night.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Since it seems the attackers have reached the banks of the Seine, it's crucial that they should not cross it or use it to escape.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Telegraph reporting 60 dead plus hostages at multiple locations.

    Dear god - RIP to those poor sods caught in harms way.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited November 2015
    Obama done. Offers help to French government, condolences to families, otherwise the usual pointless bullshit. Don't yet know what's happening. Don't want to speculate.

    What was the point?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,049
    Louvre now?

    Dear God.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    bigjohnowls said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Nadya's bakeoff recipies and suicide bombers in Paris. The good and bad of muslim immigration on one newspaper cover.

    Saw Nadya signing bake off books today at the ideal Gomes show in Manchester .
    Lovely day horriblee night.
    John, I somehow missed the fact that you were caught up with matters in Tunisia.

    Really sorry to hear that and stay strong.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Nadya's bakeoff recipies and suicide bombers in Paris. The good and bad of muslim immigration on one newspaper cover.

    A bizarre but fair juxtaposition. It raises the question about what is driving these murders. Ignorance must lie at its heart. Its difficult to find a better single word. Nihilism? The way forward for these people seems to be to want to overturn any sense of rational humanity in order to ferment equally rash responses. In themselves these act achieve nothing.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Hollande speaking.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Tim_B said:

    Obama done. Offers help to French government, condolences to families, otherwise the usual pointless bullshit. Don't yet know what's happening. Don't want to speculate.

    What was the point?

    I notice the police in New York have done the sound thing and raised the alert status.
  • TwistedFireStopperTwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    The reports on social media from around the EODM concert are painting a very grim picture. I fear it's going to be a long, terrible night for Parisians.
    This might be the tipping point.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,693
    Hollande announces the French are shutting their borders.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,994
    edited November 2015
    France closing their borders - Hollande

    I think, the feed cut out
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    France borders are to be closed - Hollande
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    France closing the borders says Sky
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2015
    French borders closed.
    The eurotunnel too I presume.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Tim_B said:

    Obama done. Offers help to French government, condolences to families, otherwise the usual pointless bullshit. Don't yet know what's happening. Don't want to speculate.

    What was the point?

    Sadly you are the one offering just what you accuse Obama of. Clearly these events are as yet open ended.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Francois Fillon, France's former prime minister, tweets: "War is upon us"

    Yep - it is.

  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    edited November 2015
    Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak 12s12 seconds ago
    Update - U.S. President Barack #Obama says he does not want to speculate about who may be responsible for #Paris attacks.

    It won't be the Sally Army.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    The Peaceful Religion strikes again!

    And think of all those peaceful ones now moving into Merkels open arms.

    It seems that Europe has now decided to commit sepuku.

    Our hearts go out to the Parisiens in this horror tonight, but not to the EU elite who have brought this trouble on their countrymen they are supposed to defend.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Floater said:

    Francois Fillon, France's former prime minister, tweets: "War is upon us"

    Yep - it is.

    Probably not the choice of words a British politician would use.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Hollande: State of emergency across France
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,842
    Y0kel said:

    FPT The big issues now are how do you extract 100 people from a theatre and find any runabouts. There are ways of dealing with theatre issue if a) the perpetrators are looking to create an extended event and/or b) do not get too much time or have the tools to prep.

    The French are looking at the building plans right now but any strikes prime window needs to be within 2 or so hours of the start or you are looking at an aim of holding events out for maybe 12-18 hours ideally then strike. Either is a stretch because the first requires a very rapid response and b) the latter leaves the actors a little too long to start shooting as they please.

    The two countries' security forces I'd trust more than any others in the world to end something like this with minimum loss of hostage life are the French and British.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Floater said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Nadya's bakeoff recipies and suicide bombers in Paris. The good and bad of muslim immigration on one newspaper cover.

    Saw Nadya signing bake off books today at the ideal Gomes show in Manchester .
    Lovely day horriblee night.
    John, I somehow missed the fact that you were caught up with matters in Tunisia.

    Really sorry to hear that and stay strong.
    Thanks Sir
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Hollande announces the French are shutting their borders.

    To be blunt - a bit fucking late!
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    If the migrant crisis and closing of the borders haven't ended Schengen then this will. No government can now allow their countries borders to remain open.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,693
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    France closing their borders - Hollande

    I think, the feed cut out

    Yep. I was watching live as well. All borders closed. A state of emergency declared.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Hollande declares a state of emergency.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited November 2015
    That's the end of Schengen.

    The French Army are mobilising.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,994
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    France closing their borders - Hollande

    I think, the feed cut out

    Yep. I was watching live as well. All borders closed. A state of emergency declared.
    My French isn't as rusty as I feared
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Floater said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Hollande announces the French are shutting their borders.

    To be blunt - a bit fucking late!
    I think Le Pen has won the argument, but at a terrible price of proving herself right through tragedy.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,346
    Paris is one of the centres of civilisation. That it should be under assault by these barbarians is simply unbearable.

    Pauvre France.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,676
    France closes its borders
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Hollande declares state of emergency . Borders are being closed and the French army is mobilising

    Sky news.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Euro news reporting 30 freed from concert - many more still trapped
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Tim_B

    'Obama done. Offers help to French government, condolences to families, otherwise the usual pointless bullshit. Don't yet know what's happening. Don't want to speculate.'

    What was the point?'


    Agree same old vacuous crap.

    Don't know why he didn't just put a recorded message of what he said in January after the Charlie Hebdo murders.

  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    French authorities telling all people to stay indoors.

    Would you want to be out in this?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,842
    If it was a suicide bomb at the Stade de France, I find it difficult to believe that it went off when the attackers wanted it to. Surely they would have wanted the crowds around them? If so, that would imply that it exploded prematurely (or possibly late), or that the police / similar exploded it for them.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    I'm woefully lacking in detail here but it looks as if the French authorities have:

    a) identified a watch lister who isn't at home
    b) an initial thought not all the perpetrators are French

    This is early days and they will be working through such a stream of data and ideas that things will come to the front and then be replaced but we'll see.

    US citizens reportedly casualties at that restaurant.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    France closes its borders

    The irony. We are going to see the growth of the hard right on the continent. It seems Le Penn has suspended campaigning. I think todays episode has bought her more opportunity for success than she could ever imagined.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    david_herdson said:

    If it was a suicide bomb at the Stade de France, I find it difficult to believe that it went off when the attackers wanted it to. Surely they would have wanted the crowds around them? If so, that would imply that it exploded prematurely (or possibly late), or that the police / similar exploded it for them.

    Maybe couldn't get in.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,994
    @AnneBayefsky: CNN: Hostages texting that they are being killed 1-by-1. Begging for police raid.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak 16s16 seconds ago
    Update - AP: French President Francois #Hollande says security operations are assaulting a site in #Paris after attacks
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,676
    notme said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    France closes its borders

    The irony. We are going to see the growth of the hard right on the continent. It seems Le Penn has suspended campaigning. I think todays episode has bought her more opportunity for success than she could ever imagined.
    End of free movement in Europe.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Y0kel said:

    I'm woefully lacking in detail here but it looks as if the French authorities have:

    a) identified a watch lister who isn't at home
    b) an initial thought not all the perpetrators are French

    This is early days and they will be working through such a stream of data and ideas that things will come to the front and then be replaced but we'll see.

    US citizens reportedly casualties at that restaurant.

    A pity the French security services weren't able to stop this attack. I wonder whether British intelligence had any idea about it.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Cyclefree said:

    Paris is one of the centres of civilisation. That it should be under assault by these barbarians is simply unbearable.

    Pauvre France.

    They are barbarians and they hate us.

  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,346
    bigjohnowls said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Currently in a hotel in Manchester.

    Tragic events in Paris bringing back the bad memories from my Tunisian experience.

    Hoping fort no more deaths in Paris

    I started a post addressed to you along the lines that this must bring back bad memories, but didn't know how to phrase it.

    We mustn't allow ourselves to be terrorised by terrorists.
    I know I thought I was over it till tonight as well
    My thoughts are with you. Stay strong, BJO.

  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Floater said:

    Euro news reporting 30 freed from concert - many more still trapped

    Its going to get even worse if those released identified themselves as muslim. Hasnt there been a few attacks in Africa in which anyone who was muslim was released and the rest gunned down?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,842
    Speedy said:

    Floater said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Hollande announces the French are shutting their borders.

    To be blunt - a bit fucking late!
    I think Le Pen has won the argument, but at a terrible price of proving herself right through tragedy.
    The French presidential is in 18 months. How realistic is a FN win?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,709
    Cyclefree said:

    Paris is one of the centres of civilisation. That it should be under assault by these barbarians is simply unbearable.

    Pauvre France.

    Well said.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @AnneBayefsky: CNN: Hostages texting that they are being killed 1-by-1. Begging for police raid.

    I could weep - this will have big repercussions.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    david_herdson said:

    If it was a suicide bomb at the Stade de France, I find it difficult to believe that it went off when the attackers wanted it to. Surely they would have wanted the crowds around them? If so, that would imply that it exploded prematurely (or possibly late), or that the police / similar exploded it for them.

    Unless they chose to explode it in a crowded bar adjacent to the stadium for instance.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,842
    Y0kel said:

    david_herdson said:

    If it was a suicide bomb at the Stade de France, I find it difficult to believe that it went off when the attackers wanted it to. Surely they would have wanted the crowds around them? If so, that would imply that it exploded prematurely (or possibly late), or that the police / similar exploded it for them.

    Maybe couldn't get in.
    But the crowds would come out again? All they had to do was wait.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    david_herdson said:

    Speedy said:

    Floater said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Hollande announces the French are shutting their borders.

    To be blunt - a bit fucking late!
    I think Le Pen has won the argument, but at a terrible price of proving herself right through tragedy.
    The French presidential is in 18 months. How realistic is a FN win?
    French polls are few and sparse, before tonight's events Le Pen would have won in the first round but would have lost in the second round.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,994
    david_herdson said:

    Speedy said:

    Floater said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Hollande announces the French are shutting their borders.

    To be blunt - a bit fucking late!
    I think Le Pen has won the argument, but at a terrible price of proving herself right through tragedy.
    The French presidential is in 18 months. How realistic is a FN win?
    I reckon Le Pen will win the first round then lose on the second round (all things being equal)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,421
    Thoughts to all those in France right now.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,421
    I placed a bet on the FN after the Hebdo massacre, but the nation seemed to rally round Hollande so I'm not sure how much value there was in the 7-1.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @AnneBayefsky: CNN: Hostages texting that they are being killed 1-by-1. Begging for police raid.

    Where is the police ?
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