richardDodd said:

HYFUD I guess lots of people could suffer living in a modest apartment in the Vatican..having all his meals Cooked..utilities paid..clothes laundered..a driver..security guards..lotsa them..If the Chinese want more babies it is entirely up to them and they will provide for them. But good old Popey is telling his followers..most of whom are at extreme poverty levels already..particularly in South American countries..to have more kids, that they cannot possibly feed or educate and in lots of cases..provide a home..Meanwhile Popey does some cheapshit PR number by slinging a few bags of food out of his car in downtown Rome. Then back to his dreary little bedsit for his five course supper.

The Pope is a highly educated Chemistry graduate, probably brighter than Cameron and Obama, who lives modestly for the leader of an organisation of 1 billion members. As SeanF said some countries actually need more babies, especially Catholic Italy or Spain and in South America those babies are needed to provide future income and care for the family (not that I have seen many statements by this Pope on the subject compared to his predecessors). If he does go out to the homeless it is late at night, walking, of his own volition and he certainly does not eat 5 courses. So wrong again

surbiton said:

Calling PB Business community:

Those of you who are in the business of selling , particularly, to the manufacturing industry: how is your business doing in the last 3 months ? We have seen our order books recover last year and kind of peaking in Q1 but then started to fall. In Q3, it is looking like our total order book will be about 25% below end of March.

From May onwards, it has been falling continuously.

Quiet Q1, better Q2, rubbish July/Aug,amazingly fantastic September (bit of an odd pattern). Euro exchange rate has been s serious drag all year. No signs of any Far East slowdown yet. We sell to a wide variety of "core boring" industries. Food packaging, metals, paper, medical, oem's.

HYUFD said:

chestnut said:

HYUFD said:

Corbyn may have a net negative rating but Labour are polling more than Foot or Brown got and level with Miliband. So while the average voter is hostile to him Corbyn voters are strongly behind him

Real vote outcomes and Labour opinion poll numbers are different things.

The popular left - Labour, except 2010 - always do worse in reality than their poll numbers.

Miliband was polling 34-35 hours before he actually got 31.

In 1983 Foot actually polled worse in final polls than he got, Comres has Labour on 30% and has adjusted its weightings post election

Speaking of polls, I think we are looking forward to your frothing drool over the Scottish cross break in the latest IPSOS Mori poll.

Dair said:

HYUFD said:

chestnut said:

HYUFD said:

Corbyn may have a net negative rating but Labour are polling more than Foot or Brown got and level with Miliband. So while the average voter is hostile to him Corbyn voters are strongly behind him

Real vote outcomes and Labour opinion poll numbers are different things.

The popular left - Labour, except 2010 - always do worse in reality than their poll numbers.

Miliband was polling 34-35 hours before he actually got 31.

In 1983 Foot actually polled worse in final polls than he got, Comres has Labour on 30% and has adjusted its weightings post election

Speaking of polls, I think we are looking forward to your frothing drool over the Scottish cross break in the latest IPSOS Mori poll.

Sadly not, as no voting intention figures as yet

surbiton said:

welshowl said:

surbiton said:

Calling PB Business community:

Those of you who are in the business of selling , particularly, to the manufacturing industry: how is your business doing in the last 3 months ? We have seen our order books recover last year and kind of peaking in Q1 but then started to fall. In Q3, it is looking like our total order book will be about 25% below end of March.

From May onwards, it has been falling continuously.

Quiet Q1, better Q2, rubbish July/Aug,amazingly fantastic September (bit of an odd pattern). Euro exchange rate has been s serious drag all year. No signs of any Far East slowdown yet. We sell to a wide variety of "core boring" industries. Food packaging, metals, paper, medical, oem's.

Interesting, thanks ! We sell mostly to "boring" industries too !

Great innit. Making things on machines out of raw materials, sticking them in boxes, and sending them round the world. Sometimes I think there's only about two or three of us left!

richardDodd said:

The Pope makes a speech to the great and good in the USA..and then goes to lunch with some homeless people...What a hypocrite..He continuously tells the poor people of the world to make more babies..the future poor and homeless..Never mind..he can always pop back onto his private jet and whisk away to one of his many palaces..along with his well fed team..

Where did the Catholic church get to on paedos within its clergy?

ReggieCide said:

richardDodd said:

The Pope makes a speech to the great and good in the USA..and then goes to lunch with some homeless people...What a hypocrite..He continuously tells the poor people of the world to make more babies..the future poor and homeless..Never mind..he can always pop back onto his private jet and whisk away to one of his many palaces..along with his well fed team..

Where did the Catholic church get to on paedos within its clergy?

Still haven't made it compulsory.

HYUFD said:

richardDodd said:

HYFUD I guess lots of people could suffer living in a modest apartment in the Vatican..having all his meals Cooked..utilities paid..clothes laundered..a driver..security guards..lotsa them..If the Chinese want more babies it is entirely up to them and they will provide for them. But good old Popey is telling his followers..most of whom are at extreme poverty levels already..particularly in South American countries..to have more kids, that they cannot possibly feed or educate and in lots of cases..provide a home..Meanwhile Popey does some cheapshit PR number by slinging a few bags of food out of his car in downtown Rome. Then back to his dreary little bedsit for his five course supper.

The Pope is a highly educated Chemistry graduate, probably brighter than Cameron and Obama, who lives modestly for the leader of an organisation of 1 billion members. As SeanF said some countries actually need more babies, especially Catholic Italy or Spain and in South America those babies are needed to provide future income and care for the family (not that I have seen many statements by this Pope on the subject compared to his predecessors). If he does go out to the homeless it is late at night, walking, of his own volition and he certainly does not eat 5 courses. So wrong again

Modestly.
He lives in a palace surrounded by mercenary guards and a coterie of simpering nuns. He flies round the world in a private jet. If he wants to save the world he needs to do more praying.

surbiton said:

HYUFD said:

Dair said:

HYUFD said:

chestnut said:

HYUFD said:

Corbyn may have a net negative rating but Labour are polling more than Foot or Brown got and level with Miliband. So while the average voter is hostile to him Corbyn voters are strongly behind him

Real vote outcomes and Labour opinion poll numbers are different things.

The popular left - Labour, except 2010 - always do worse in reality than their poll numbers.

Miliband was polling 34-35 hours before he actually got 31.

In 1983 Foot actually polled worse in final polls than he got, Comres has Labour on 30% and has adjusted its weightings post election

Speaking of polls, I think we are looking forward to your frothing drool over the Scottish cross break in the latest IPSOS Mori poll.

Sadly not, as no voting intention figures as yet

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-september-2015-tables.pdf

92% of Tory GE2015 voters support Tory. Equivalent Labour figure is 90%.

So, I cannot see a mass defection from Labour.

That was not reported in the Evening Standard, if so that is better than expected for Corbyn. The Tories up 2% to 39% but Labour up 5% to 35%. UKIP down 5% to 7%.

Danny565 said:

Dair said:

HYUFD said:

Dair said:

HYUFD said:

chestnut said:

HYUFD said:

Corbyn may have a net negative rating but Labour are polling more than Foot or Brown got and level with Miliband. So while the average voter is hostile to him Corbyn voters are strongly behind him

Real vote outcomes and Labour opinion poll numbers are different things.

The popular left - Labour, except 2010 - always do worse in reality than their poll numbers.

Miliband was polling 34-35 hours before he actually got 31.

In 1983 Foot actually polled worse in final polls than he got, Comres has Labour on 30% and has adjusted its weightings post election

Speaking of polls, I think we are looking forward to your frothing drool over the Scottish cross break in the latest IPSOS Mori poll.

Sadly not, as no voting intention figures as yet

Yes there are, the link to the numbers was there when the poll was first posted.

SNP 53%
Con 22%
Lab 19%

Corbyn surge, obviously destroying the SNP.

Do you think the Tories could beat Labour at Holyrood next May?

Dunno, clearly Corbyn is helping Labour in England by cannibalising the Green vote.

But in Scotland the Greens are stronger, have PR for Holyrood and they are an Independence Party with a reasonably strong commitment to it (not universal but fairly popular). Meanhile Unionists (as in NI Unionists) which are still relevant in Scotland will be appalled by his IRA sympathies. He will lose Loyalists in West Central Scotland en masse.

Ironically, we could see the opposite of what HYUFD has been predicting - Labour rise in England while fall in Scotland post Corbyn.

HYUFD said:

richardDodd said:

HYUFD.I do hope you are joking..and lots of people drive around in Fiats..including myself.

richardDodd said:

HYUFD.I do hope you are joking..and lots of people drive around in Fiats..including myself.

What billionaire travels in a Fiat and lives in one modest apartment and wears the same cassock like the Pope. Your comments are total rubbish. He is reforming the Church and as far as I see makes more comments about tolerance, climate change and poverty than baby making though some nations like Germany and Italy and South Korea could do with more babies. As leader of a billion Catholics he lives far more modestly than he could

I've seen pictures of his place and it doesn't look like he's slumming it and he doesn't skimp on his rags.

HYUFD said:

Labour again has a big lead in London, 51%-38% and the North, 44%-33%. The Tories lead in the South 44% to 34% and the Midlands 43% to 33%. In Scotland the Tories again on 21%, the SNP fractionally down on 49% and Labour also on 21%
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-september-2015-tables.pdf

You're looking at the wrong figures.

Try two tables down once the Certainty figure is included.

HYUFD said:

richardDodd said:

The Pope makes a speech to the great and good in the USA..and then goes to lunch with some homeless people...What a hypocrite..He continuously tells the poor people of the world to make more babies..the future poor and homeless..Never mind..he can always pop back onto his private jet and whisk away to one of his many palaces..along with his well fed team..

Rubbish. He is travelling in a Fiat he lives in a modest apartment and at night often leaves the Vatican to provide food and clothes for the homeless. He does far more for the poor than most world leaders and he is a Catholic not a communist

I don't think you can call the Popemobile just "a Fiat"!

flightpath01 said:

HYUFD said:

richardDodd said:

HYFUD I guess lots of people could suffer living in a modest apartment in the Vatican..having all his meals Cooked..utilities paid..clothes laundered..a driver..security guards..lotsa them..If the Chinese want more babies it is entirely up to them and they will provide for them. But good old Popey is telling his followers..most of whom are at extreme poverty levels already..particularly in South American countries..to have more kids, that they cannot possibly feed or educate and in lots of cases..provide a home..Meanwhile Popey does some cheapshit PR number by slinging a few bags of food out of his car in downtown Rome. Then back to his dreary little bedsit for his five course supper.

The Pope is a highly educated Chemistry graduate, probably brighter than Cameron and Obama, who lives modestly for the leader of an organisation of 1 billion members. As SeanF said some countries actually need more babies, especially Catholic Italy or Spain and in South America those babies are needed to provide future income and care for the family (not that I have seen many statements by this Pope on the subject compared to his predecessors). If he does go out to the homeless it is late at night, walking, of his own volition and he certainly does not eat 5 courses. So wrong again

Modestly.
He lives in a palace surrounded by mercenary guards and a coterie of simpering nuns. He flies round the world in a private jet. If he wants to save the world he needs to do more praying.

He lives in 1 apartment in the Vatican, which is the Catholic Church's HQ, not his personal residence. The Swiss Guards are his personal protection team, obviously necessary given the risk of terrorists attacking him. The Catholic Church runs foodbanks, hostels and charities and hospitals, practical action and not just praying

Sean_F said:

richardDodd said:

HYFUD I guess lots of people could suffer living in a modest apartment in the Vatican..having all his meals Cooked..utilities paid..clothes laundered..a driver..security guards..lotsa them..If the Chinese want more babies it is entirely up to them and they will provide for them. But good old Popey is telling is followers..most of whom are at extreme poverty levels already..particularly in South American countries..to have more kids, that they cannot possibly feed or educate and in lots of cases..provide a home..Meanwhile Popey does some cheapshit PR number by slinging a few bags of food out of his car in downtown Rome. Then back to his dreary little bedsit for his five course supper.

Baby making is sensible in very poor countries with very high death rates. That way, people can ensure there will be children to look after them in old age. Also, it enables the society to recover rapidly from the effects of war and natural disaster. As a country gets richer, so the birthrate naturally falls. It's not the falling birthrate that causes the country to get richer.

Baby making is also sensible in rich country's where the total fertility rate has fallen well below replacement level.

Is this how the errtant clergy got the message?

Dair said:

HYUFD said:

Labour again has a big lead in London, 51%-38% and the North, 44%-33%. The Tories lead in the South 44% to 34% and the Midlands 43% to 33%. In Scotland the Tories again on 21%, the SNP fractionally down on 49% and Labour also on 21%
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-september-2015-tables.pdf

You're looking at the wrong figures.

Try two tables down once the Certainty figure is included.

Those are the main voting intention figures for all voters, not just a subsample you have selected of those with a 9/10 certainty to vote

@Casino_Royale:

I'm not a big fan of God Save the Queen, simply because I find it a dull and uninspiring tune. Were there a referendum on making Jerusalem the National Anthem, I would be leading the charge.

In fact, why doesn't some party make that a manifesto pledge. I'd vote for that.

ReggieCide said:

richardDodd said:

EPG.. I know..I am one of them..what we don't need is someone who lives like a billionaire telling the poor people around the world to have more babies.. to be born into extreme poverty and starvation..and he wraps the message around religion.. so they obey him...it is total hypocrisy..

It seems to me that all religion is hypocritical. The objective is to win recruits to increase its power by influencing the number of those who believe the tosh.

What about Judaism?

rcs1000 said:

@Casino_Royale:

I'm not a big fan of God Save the Queen, simply because I find it a dull and uninspiring tune. Were there a referendum on making Jerusalem the National Anthem, I would be leading the charge.

In fact, why doesn't some party make that a manifesto pledge. I'd vote for that.

None can hold a candle to Hen wlad fy nhadau at the Millennium mind. Just saying.

ReggieCide said:

HYUFD said:

richardDodd said:

HYUFD.I do hope you are joking..and lots of people drive around in Fiats..including myself.

richardDodd said:

HYUFD.I do hope you are joking..and lots of people drive around in Fiats..including myself.

What billionaire travels in a Fiat and lives in one modest apartment and wears the same cassock like the Pope. Your comments are total rubbish. He is reforming the Church and as far as I see makes more comments about tolerance, climate change and poverty than baby making though some nations like Germany and Italy and South Korea could do with more babies. As leader of a billion Catholics he lives far more modestly than he could

I've seen pictures of his place and it doesn't look like he's slumming it and he doesn't skimp on his rags.

The Vatican is his office and he should not be slumming it but looking respectable and ensuring the Catholic Church has enough resources to help, just not ostentatious. As Thatcher said "Nobody would remember the Good Samaritan if he had only good intentions. He had money as well."

rcs1000 said:

@Casino_Royale:

I'm not a big fan of God Save the Queen, simply because I find it a dull and uninspiring tune. Were there a referendum on making Jerusalem the National Anthem, I would be leading the charge.

In fact, why doesn't some party make that a manifesto pledge. I'd vote for that.

I suspect the likes of Corbyn would dislike Jerusalem even more...which is probably as good a reason as any to make it the National Anthem.

Dair said:

HYUFD said:

Dair said:

HYUFD said:

Labour again has a big lead in London, 51%-38% and the North, 44%-33%. The Tories lead in the South 44% to 34% and the Midlands 43% to 33%. In Scotland the Tories again on 21%, the SNP fractionally down on 49% and Labour also on 21%
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-september-2015-tables.pdf

You're looking at the wrong figures.

Try two tables down once the Certainty figure is included.

Those are the main voting intention figures for all voters, not just a subsample you have selected of those with a 9/10 certainty to vote

W

T

F

You get more and more ridiculous.

Turnout at the general election was 66% in the UK, 71% in Scotland, only looking at those with a 90%+ chance of voting as you are ignores many potential voters

JEO said:

rcs1000 said:

@Casino_Royale:

I'm not a big fan of God Save the Queen, simply because I find it a dull and uninspiring tune. Were there a referendum on making Jerusalem the National Anthem, I would be leading the charge.

In fact, why doesn't some party make that a manifesto pledge. I'd vote for that.

Jerusalem is specifically about England.

Could we have a specific anthem for England only sporting events then?

GarethoftheVale2 said:

Dair said:

Danny565 said:

Dair said:

HYUFD said:

Dair said:

HYUFD said:

chestnut said:

HYUFD said:

Corbyn may have a net negative rating but Labour are polling more than Foot or Brown got and level with Miliband. So while the average voter is hostile to him Corbyn voters are strongly behind him

Real vote outcomes and Labour opinion poll numbers are different things.

The popular left - Labour, except 2010 - always do worse in reality than their poll numbers.

Miliband was polling 34-35 hours before he actually got 31.

In 1983 Foot actually polled worse in final polls than he got, Comres has Labour on 30% and has adjusted its weightings post election

Speaking of polls, I think we are looking forward to your frothing drool over the Scottish cross break in the latest IPSOS Mori poll.

Sadly not, as no voting intention figures as yet

Yes there are, the link to the numbers was there when the poll was first posted.

SNP 53%
Con 22%
Lab 19%

Corbyn surge, obviously destroying the SNP.

Do you think the Tories could beat Labour at Holyrood next May?

Dunno, clearly Corbyn is helping Labour in England by cannibalising the Green vote.

But in Scotland the Greens are stronger, have PR for Holyrood and they are an Independence Party with a reasonably strong commitment to it (not universal but fairly popular). Meanhile Unionists (as in NI Unionists) which are still relevant in Scotland will be appalled by his IRA sympathies. He will lose Loyalists in West Central Scotland en masse.

Ironically, we could see the opposite of what HYUFD has been predicting - Labour rise in England while fall in Scotland post Corbyn.

If Lab did end up in 3rd next year, do you think Dugdale would have to resign or would they give her more time?

If Labour finish third Kezia might be the only MSP left standing.

rcs1000 said:

JEO said:

rcs1000 said:

@Casino_Royale:

I'm not a big fan of God Save the Queen, simply because I find it a dull and uninspiring tune. Were there a referendum on making Jerusalem the National Anthem, I would be leading the charge.

In fact, why doesn't some party make that a manifesto pledge. I'd vote for that.

Jerusalem is specifically about England.

Could we have a specific anthem for England only sporting events then?

Might make sense. Oddly the Scottish Rugby Union used to have GSTQ till about 20 (?? feels like about 20 at least) years ago. Ireland of course have two anthems at the rugby. The Ireland's Call one and The Republic's official Soldiers' Song.

HYUFD said:

flightpath01 said:

HYUFD said:

richardDodd said:

HYFUD I guess lots of people could suffer living in a modest apartment in the Vatican..having all his meals Cooked..utilities paid..clothes laundered..a driver..security guards..lotsa them..If the Chinese want more babies it is entirely up to them and they will provide for them. But good old Popey is telling his followers..most of whom are at extreme poverty levels already..particularly in South American countries..to have more kids, that they cannot possibly feed or educate and in lots of cases..provide a home..Meanwhile Popey does some cheapshit PR number by slinging a few bags of food out of his car in downtown Rome. Then back to his dreary little bedsit for his five course supper.

The Pope is a highly educated Chemistry graduate, probably brighter than Cameron and Obama, who lives modestly for the leader of an organisation of 1 billion members. As SeanF said some countries actually need more babies, especially Catholic Italy or Spain and in South America those babies are needed to provide future income and care for the family (not that I have seen many statements by this Pope on the subject compared to his predecessors). If he does go out to the homeless it is late at night, walking, of his own volition and he certainly does not eat 5 courses. So wrong again

Modestly.
He lives in a palace surrounded by mercenary guards and a coterie of simpering nuns. He flies round the world in a private jet. If he wants to save the world he needs to do more praying.

He lives in 1 apartment in the Vatican, which is the Catholic Church's HQ, not his personal residence. The Swiss Guards are his personal protection team, obviously necessary given the risk of terrorists attacking him. The Catholic Church runs foodbanks, hostels and charities and hospitals, practical action and not just praying

That apartment must be the one with the nice balcony and terrific views. Similarly he also has Castel Gandolfo to retreat to if he wants to get away for a bit. Neither may belong to him but he has lifelong rent free,exclusive access (staffing, food, maintenance etc included). Who needs ownership? If there's room to spare why doesn't he take some of Rome's homeless in then he won't have to go out to dispense the leftovers.

Tories want to flog off Channel 4 now. Fox 4 perhaps?

JEO said:

ReggieCide said:

richardDodd said:

EPG.. I know..I am one of them..what we don't need is someone who lives like a billionaire telling the poor people around the world to have more babies.. to be born into extreme poverty and starvation..and he wraps the message around religion.. so they obey him...it is total hypocrisy..

It seems to me that all religion is hypocritical. The objective is to win recruits to increase its power by influencing the number of those who believe the tosh.

If you accept that people that join a faith end up believing "the tosh", doesn't it follow that those believers might be recruiting others not to increase power, but because they believe it and want to persuade others?

That may be so but the godfather and his made men have to know the game. The control of the gullible ones down the line is the game.

The media have started to take an interest in my MND Campaign , the National published this piece with some classic quotes - my favourite was;

“Two weeks later I was in the Southern General being told: ‘You’ve got 18 months to two years to live, mate.’ There was very little sugar-coating. Glaswegian doctors tell it like it is.”

http://www.thenational.scot/news/mnd-sufferer-given-weeks-to-live-wants-to-help-others-defy-doctors.7882

Anyway I think I need to refine my interview technique a bit before my next outing, which is going to be on radio !! - My Campaign site link is;

https://www.justgiving.com/Calum-Ferguson1/

ReggieCide said:

HYUFD said:

flightpath01 said:

HYUFD said:

richardDodd said:

HYFUD I guess lots of people could suffer living in a modest apartment in the Vatican..having all his meals Cooked..utilities paid..clothes laundered..a driver..security guards..lotsa them..If the Chinese want more babies it is entirely up to them and they will provide for them. But good old Popey is telling his followers..most of whom are at extreme poverty levels already..particularly in South American countries..to have more kids, that they cannot possibly feed or educate and in lots of cases..provide a home..Meanwhile Popey does some cheapshit PR number by slinging a few bags of food out of his car in downtown Rome. Then back to his dreary little bedsit for his five course supper.

The Pope is a highly educated Chemistry graduate, probably brighter than Cameron and Obama, who lives modestly for the leader of an organisation of 1 billion members. As SeanF said some countries actually need more babies, especially Catholic Italy or Spain and in South America those babies are needed to provide future income and care for the family (not that I have seen many statements by this Pope on the subject compared to his predecessors). If he does go out to the homeless it is late at night, walking, of his own volition and he certainly does not eat 5 courses. So wrong again

Modestly.
He lives in a palace surrounded by mercenary guards and a coterie of simpering nuns. He flies round the world in a private jet. If he wants to save the world he needs to do more praying.

He lives in 1 apartment in the Vatican, which is the Catholic Church's HQ, not his personal residence. The Swiss Guards are his personal protection team, obviously necessary given the risk of terrorists attacking him. The Catholic Church runs foodbanks, hostels and charities and hospitals, practical action and not just praying

That apartment must be the one with the nice balcony and terrific views. Similarly he also has Castel Gandolfo to retreat to if he wants to get away for a bit. Neither may belong to him but he has lifelong rent free,exclusive access (staffing, food, maintenance etc included). Who needs ownership? If there's room to spare why doesn't he take some of Rome's homeless in then he won't have to go out to dispense the leftovers.

Why don't you do something for others, instead of just sneering at people who make an effort.

HYUFD said:

In Scotland, 40% of Scots think Cameron would make the best PM, 32% Corbyn, so that is narrower than England where 55% think Cameron would make the best PM, 26% Corbyn, but Cameron is still ahead in Scotland
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-september-2015-tables.pdf (p34)

Tory surge nailed on.

rcs1000 said:

ReggieCide said:

richardDodd said:

EPG.. I know..I am one of them..what we don't need is someone who lives like a billionaire telling the poor people around the world to have more babies.. to be born into extreme poverty and starvation..and he wraps the message around religion.. so they obey him...it is total hypocrisy..

It seems to me that all religion is hypocritical. The objective is to win recruits to increase its power by influencing the number of those who believe the tosh.

What about Judaism?

I stand by my observation. Judaism may be more discrete but is driven by the same motivation.

ReggieCide said:

HYUFD said:

flightpath01 said:

HYUFD said:

richardDodd said:

HYFUD I guess lots of people could suffer living in a modest apartment in the Vatican..having all his meals Cooked..utilities paid..clothes laundered..a driver..security guards..lotsa them..If the Chinese want more babies it is entirely up to them and they will provide for them. But good old Popey is telling his followers..most of whom are at extreme poverty levels already..particularly in South American countries..to have more kids, that they cannot possibly feed or educate and in lots of cases..provide a home..Meanwhile Popey does some cheapshit PR number by slinging a few bags of food out of his car in downtown Rome. Then back to his dreary little bedsit for his five course supper.

The Pope is a highly educated Chemistry graduate, probably brighter than Cameron and Obama,

Modestly.
He lives in a palace surrounded by mercenary guards and a coterie of simpering nuns. He flies round the world in a private jet. If he wants to save the world he needs to do more praying.

He lives in 1 apartment in the Vatican, which is the Catholic Church's HQ, not his personal residence. The Swiss Guards are his personal protection team, obviously necessary given the risk of terrorists attacking him. The Catholic Church runs foodbanks, hostels and charities and hospitals, practical action and not just praying

That apartment must be the one with the nice balcony and terrific views. Similarly he also has Castel Gandolfo to retreat to if he wants to get away for a bit. Neither may belong to him but he has lifelong rent free,exclusive access (staffing, food, maintenance etc included). Who needs ownership? If there's room to spare why doesn't he take some of Rome's homeless in then he won't have to go out to dispense the leftovers.

No, he does not live in the Papal apartments in the apostolic palace which he only uses for audiences but the Casa Santa Marta, which also accomodates visiting clergy and lay people
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/10086876/Pope-Francis-shunned-official-papal-apartments-to-live-normal-life.html

The Pope is also providing homes for 2 refugee families in the Vatican
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/pope-francis-promises-to-take-in-two-refugee-families-and-urges-others-to-follow-his-example-10488748.html

JEO said:

rcs1000 said:

@Casino_Royale:

I'm not a big fan of God Save the Queen, simply because I find it a dull and uninspiring tune. Were there a referendum on making Jerusalem the National Anthem, I would be leading the charge.

In fact, why doesn't some party make that a manifesto pledge. I'd vote for that.

Jerusalem is specifically about England.

There's nothing wrong with our National Anthem. Some ratbag scarab of an ignorant socialist is so glum and full of bile he cannot bring himself to sing or even murmur it on a solemn ceremonial occasion - and all of a sudden we have to discuss abolishing it?

HYUFD said:

ReggieCide said:

HYUFD said:

richardDodd said:

HYUFD.I do hope you are joking..and lots of people drive around in Fiats..including myself.

richardDodd said:

HYUFD.I do hope you are joking..and lots of people drive around in Fiats..including myself.

What billionaire travels in a Fiat and lives in one modest apartment and wears the same cassock like the Pope. Your comments are total rubbish. He is reforming the Church and as far as I see makes more comments about tolerance, climate change and poverty than baby making though some nations like Germany and Italy and South Korea could do with more babies. As leader of a billion Catholics he lives far more modestly than he could

I've seen pictures of his place and it doesn't look like he's slumming it and he doesn't skimp on his rags.

The Vatican is his office and he should not be slumming it but looking respectable and ensuring the Catholic Church has enough resources to help, just not ostentatious. As Thatcher said "Nobody would remember the Good Samaritan if he had only good intentions. He had money as well."

So you think he sleeps in the office? On a put-you-up? And you think his style is unostentatious? Are we discussing the same bloke?

ReggieCide said:

JEO said:

ReggieCide said:

richardDodd said:

EPG.. I know..I am one of them..what we don't need is someone who lives like a billionaire telling the poor people around the world to have more babies.. to be born into extreme poverty and starvation..and he wraps the message around religion.. so they obey him...it is total hypocrisy..

It seems to me that all religion is hypocritical. The objective is to win recruits to increase its power by influencing the number of those who believe the tosh.

If you accept that people that join a faith end up believing "the tosh", doesn't it follow that those believers might be recruiting others not to increase power, but because they believe it and want to persuade others?

That may be so but the godfather and his made men have to know the game. The control of the gullible ones down the line is the game.

Like Corbyn then.

GarethoftheVale2 said:

Scott_P said:

@NCPoliticsUK: Ipsos MORI/Evening Standard:

CON 39 (+2)
LAB 34 (+3)
LIB 8 (-2)
UKIP 7 (-2)
GRN 4 (-4)
SNP 5 (=)

19th-22nd
N=1,255
https://t.co/hmMOCPJQW5

Those numbers look a bit out of whack to me due to the fact that the Greens have lost half their votes and are still on their GE score. Effectively if you add together Lab+LD+Green then this combined total is 4% higher than the GE. I also don't buy that UKIP has lost nearly half its vote while the migrant crisis is in the news every day.

I agree that the numberst look a bit odd. It looks very flattering to labour indeed. I'm not sure where they are finding all these voters who are so forgiving of so poor a start.

Having said that for the 30 years I've been following politics it has been an article of faith that a very left wing Labour leader would be politically disastrous. It seemed a view with a lot of evidence and I believed it. But much as that is a very poor poll for labour, it is nowhere near the disaster I would have expected it to be.

I wonder if deep down under the surface political opinion has stopped drifting to the right and is now drifting back to the left.

Sean_F said:

Recidivist said:

GarethoftheVale2 said:

Scott_P said:

@NCPoliticsUK: Ipsos MORI/Evening Standard:

CON 39 (+2)
LAB 34 (+3)
LIB 8 (-2)
UKIP 7 (-2)
GRN 4 (-4)
SNP 5 (=)

19th-22nd
N=1,255
https://t.co/hmMOCPJQW5

Those numbers look a bit out of whack to me due to the fact that the Greens have lost half their votes and are still on their GE score. Effectively if you add together Lab+LD+Green then this combined total is 4% higher than the GE. I also don't buy that UKIP has lost nearly half its vote while the migrant crisis is in the news every day.

I agree that the numberst look a bit odd. It looks very flattering to labour indeed. I'm not sure where they are finding all these voters who are so forgiving of so poor a start.

Having said that for the 30 years I've been following politics it has been an article of faith that a very left wing Labour leader would be politically disastrous. It seemed a view with a lot of evidence and I believed it. But much as that is a very poor poll for labour, it is nowhere near the disaster I would have expected it to be.

I wonder if deep down under the surface political opinion has stopped drifting to the right and is now drifting back to the left.

Ipsos MORI is out of line with the others, who put the Right on 50-55%.

Ipsos Mori is in line with other pollsters though in having the Tories up as well. It seems Corbyn has increased the Labour vote slightly thanks to defections from the Greens and LDs, but the Tories have also gained some Labour and UKIP votes too, so the net effect is not much change in terms of swing

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