There were (and prob still are) several unpleasant people in CWF when I was a very young activist who I did have dealings with who I wouldn't care to ever meet again.
Whoever would have thought the British public would react in this way to Labour making an anti-capitalist, terrorist apologist, class warrior its leader? This is a huge surprise.
BBC R4 has just broadcast Hilary Mantel's 'The Assassination of Margaret Thatcher'. You don't even have to listen to it, the very fact that it exists and the BBC has broadcast it will give that warm, familiar feeling of outrage!
For balance, we look forward to their "The Assassination of Alex Salmond"..... I'm sure all SNP voters would be tuning in.
Of course, when many Dutch Somalis found the Netherlands was not the land of opportunity they hoped for, they waited until they got passports and moved to London. It was a similar case for the mother of the Charlie Hebdo attackers, who moved to the UK for the "more Islamic environment".
The Dutch Somalis were rumoured to have had benefit fraud allegations. Many families moved to Bristol. Is it still correct that 80% are unemployed?
Whoever would have thought the British public would react in this way to Labour making an anti-capitalist, terrorist apologist, class warrior its leader? This is a huge surprise.
SO, so pessimistic. Wait until the public discover that he's "authentic" - the "craft ale" of the Labour movement. Then it'll all change.
Whoever would have thought the British public would react in this way to Labour making an anti-capitalist, terrorist apologist, class warrior its leader? This is a huge surprise.
All very well complaining but you have to ask why the traditional centre left has folded and it's not unique to this country.
Even Foot didn't receive the barrage of hostility Corbyn has received. I am sure the Mirror and the Guardian were on Foot's side.
Perhaps the barrage of hostility and words of warnings heaped on Corbyn by a former Labour leader, several Labour MPs, Labour Grandees and Labour leaning journalists was also a contributing factor?
You have to offset those criticisms Jezbollah has received with the praise he's received from Gerry Adams, Argentina and Hamas.
Oh...
It is still puzzling...why is the Labour support slowly going up ?
And with other pollsters the Tories are going up by even more.
Trust me in marginals like Warrington South the Tories will be reminding the voters that Corbyn is the Sinn Fein endorsed leader and his past comments on the IRA.
I don't know if you saw that very interesting report I linked to from Lewis Baston yesterday.
Which is a long-winded way of saying that Corbyn will go down badly in marginal.
All in play. All really having to win the vote. All representing a true slice of urban and suburban issues....
Terrible idea.
That's the classic way town/city seats are gerrymandered into the blue column under FPTP. Draw a thin pizza slice protruding into the countryside to rope in just enough Tory voters from safe rural areas to outvote those who live in the city.
I specifically said a dozen marginals, all in play.
Interesting that you want to keep Labour's little inner-city fiefdoms. How well does that work out for their occupants?
It would make GEs less predictable and magnify swing effects in terms of seats.
Could be interesting. You've mainly got me thinking about what toppings I'd want on my Birmingham pizza though.
BBC R4 has just broadcast Hilary Mantel's 'The Assassination of Margaret Thatcher'. You don't even have to listen to it, the very fact that it exists and the BBC has broadcast it will give that warm, familiar feeling of outrage!
For balance, we look forward to their "The Assassination of Alex Salmond"..... I'm sure all SNP voters would be tuning in.
That would not be comparable, though. There was a very nearly successful attempt to murder Margaret Thatcher and many of her colleagues, and some of those whose lives have been forever blighted are still alive and suffering from it. It is tasteless beyond belief to make entertainment from it.
Still, after seeing Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell take up the two most senior opposition positions, I suppose we shouldn't be surprised by anything.
Of course, when many Dutch Somalis found the Netherlands was not the land of opportunity they hoped for, they waited until they got passports and moved to London. It was a similar case for the mother of the Charlie Hebdo attackers, who moved to the UK for the "more Islamic environment".
The Dutch Somalis were rumoured to have had benefit fraud allegations. Many families moved to Bristol. Is it still correct that 80% are unemployed?
He's travelled all the way from Syria and is now complaining at a 30 minute trip to the supermarket. Amazing!
Reading that table is like watching a Final Destination film - you can see all the elements of catastrophe in place, ready to batter the protagonist in a grisly way, even while he remains blissfully unaware of the fate that awaits him. It induces a cringe of anticipation as what is to come is made clear. The simple facts are well beyond any margin of error – the hard left, readers will be shocked to learn, is disastrously out of step even with the wider electorate and even existing and potential Labour voters.
For the Corbynites, as for the ill-fated film characters, of course, these fears are nonsense and those who raise them are to be dismissed. No doubt YouGov, the New Statesman, Peter Kellner and the 10,000 people polled will now be added to the list of typical-Tory-bourgeois-capitalist-Murdoch-military-industrial-neocon-lizards who are deceiving everyone to try to stop the glorious revolution.
I have this theory that Corbyn will cause a Kipper to Con boost.
It looks like left-right polarisation to me.
Seems logical, doesn't it? Corbyn's ratings are reasonable given the media barrage - people slightly prefer him to latter-day EdM and see him as far more in touch than Cameron, and 47% for "clear vision" isn't bad after a couple of weeks in the job. Self-effacing as he is, he'll be slightly surprised that 41% think he's got lots of personality.
Concur with your remark that people move where they're happy - I used to live in upper High Wycombe surrounded by bankers and hunters, and fled to Holloway. When kids are being naughty here we tell them about Tory voters, but they don't really believe they exist.
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
I have this theory that Corbyn will cause a Kipper to Con boost.
It looks like left-right polarisation to me.
Seems logical, doesn't it? Corbyn's ratings are reasonable given the media barrage - people slightly prefer him to latter-day EdM and see him as far more in touch than Cameron, and 47% for "clear vision" isn't bad after a couple of weeks in the job. Self-effacing as he is, he'll be slightly surprised that 41% think he's got lots of personality.
Concur with your remark that people move where they're happy - I used to live in upper High Wycombe surrounded by bankers and hunters, and fled to Holloway. When kids are being naughty here we tell them about Tory voters, but they don't really believe they exist.
The net leader ratings are firstly a measure of support within Labour voters. They should be solidly behind you when you are first elected.
>> Corbyn clearly can't today.
An alternative to a good score is to have some reach outside your party.
>> Corbyn clearly doesn't yet have the ability to fish in the Tory or Lib Dem pool.
The only thing surprising about these figures is that people are surprised about these figures.
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
Corbyn's ratings are reasonable given the media barrage - people slightly prefer him to latter-day EdM and see him as far more in touch than Cameron, and 47% for "clear vision" isn't bad after a couple of weeks in the job. Self-effacing as he is, he'll be slightly surprised that 41% think he's got lots of personality.
Nick, that's more spinning than my washing machine does on the Corbyn cycle. The ratings are appalling.
Sub Foot.
And Cameron hasn't exactly had the best publicity in the last few days either.
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
I recall that poll, however most polls previously - including one by MORI, show them pretty much neck and neck. That question also doesn't tell us much - just percentage figures from certain groups. It doesn't tell us don't knows, Osborne's own favourbility figures, or even how many people think Osborne would be a better PM than Corbyn.
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
Fun With Straw Clutching.
I don't see how I'm straw clutching. Explain please.
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
I recall that poll, however most polls previously - including one by MORI, show them pretty much neck and neck. That question also doesn't tell us much - just percentage figures from certain groups. It doesn't tell us don't knows, Osborne's own favourbility figures, or even how many people think Osborne would be a better PM than Corbyn.
It tells us less than half of Labour voters think Corbyn would be a better PM than Osborne.
I have this theory that Corbyn will cause a Kipper to Con boost.
It looks like left-right polarisation to me.
Seems logical, doesn't it? Corbyn's ratings are reasonable given the media barrage - people slightly prefer him to latter-day EdM and see him as far more in touch than Cameron, and 47% for "clear vision" isn't bad after a couple of weeks in the job. Self-effacing as he is, he'll be slightly surprised that 41% think he's got lots of personality.
Concur with your remark that people move where they're happy - I used to live in upper High Wycombe surrounded by bankers and hunters, and fled to Holloway. When kids are being naughty here we tell them about Tory voters, but they don't really believe they exist.
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
I recall that poll, however most polls previously - including one by MORI, show them pretty much neck and neck. That question also doesn't tell us much - just percentage figures from certain groups. It doesn't tell us don't knows, Osborne's own favourbility figures, or even how many people think Osborne would be a better PM than Corbyn.
It tells us less than half of Labour voters think Corbyn would be a better PM than Osborne.
Yes and as I said before it doesn't tell us the amount of DKs or figures for the reverse question.
Corbyn's ratings are reasonable given the media barrage - people slightly prefer him to latter-day EdM and see him as far more in touch than Cameron, and 47% for "clear vision" isn't bad after a couple of weeks in the job. Self-effacing as he is, he'll be slightly surprised that 41% think he's got lots of personality.
Nick, that's more spinning than my washing machine does on the Corbyn cycle. The ratings are appalling.
Sub Foot.
And Cameron hasn't exactly had the best publicity in the last few days either.
I think Nick is trying to convince himself as much as anyone else.
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
Not really. If Osborne isn't streets ahead of Corbyn - then we'll elect someone else who will be.
I love this excuse that Corbyn's dismal ratings are caused by the 'barrage of negative publicity' about him, as though it were a temporary and accidental setback which (a) is nothing to do with the fact that there's a hell of a lot to be negative about, and (b) is somehow not going to apply or have any effect in the future.
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
I recall that poll, however most polls previously - including one by MORI, show them pretty much neck and neck. That question also doesn't tell us much - just percentage figures from certain groups. It doesn't tell us don't knows, Osborne's own favourbility figures, or even how many people think Osborne would be a better PM than Corbyn.
It tells us less than half of Labour voters think Corbyn would be a better PM than Osborne.
Yes and as I said before it doesn't tell us the amount of DKs or figures for the reverse question.
Labour's night must be very dark. There is a lot of whistling going on....
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
Not really. If Osborne isn't streets ahead of Corbyn - then we'll elect someone else who will be.
I don't agree. There is no one who really rivals Osborne in terms of networking and having a base within the party, and his biggest rival and arguably someone who would definitely beat Corbyh - Boris - is looking less and less likely to win the Tory leadership as time goes on.
I love this excuse that Corbyn's ratings are caused by the 'barrage of negative publicity' about him, as though it were a temporary and accidental setback which (a) is nothing to do with the fact that there's a hell of a lot to be negative about, and (b) is somehow not going to apply or have any effect in the future.
I don't think they are the only cause, but they certainly part of it. The other part is as I said previously Corbyn is quite a divisive figure looking at his views on everything from the monarchy to immigration. Then again I forgot that the press aren't to be factored in as an influence when they do things Tories approve of...
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
I recall that poll, however most polls previously - including one by MORI, show them pretty much neck and neck. That question also doesn't tell us much - just percentage figures from certain groups. It doesn't tell us don't knows, Osborne's own favourbility figures, or even how many people think Osborne would be a better PM than Corbyn.
It tells us less than half of Labour voters think Corbyn would be a better PM than Osborne.
Yes and as I said before it doesn't tell us the amount of DKs or figures for the reverse question.
Labour's night must be very dark. There is a lot of whistling going on....
Won't keep the monsters away though.
? Tell that to someone dead set on voting Labour. I probably won't even vote Labour under Corbyn, I just simply share a different view re his impact on Labours electoral prospects if he's still there by 2020.
I love this excuse that Corbyn's ratings are caused by the 'barrage of negative publicity' about him, as though it were a temporary and accidental setback which (a) is nothing to do with the fact that there's a hell of a lot to be negative about, and (b) is somehow not going to apply or have any effect in the future.
Cognitive dissonance – tis all the media’s fault and nothing to do with 30 years of baggage.
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
Not really. If Osborne isn't streets ahead of Corbyn - then we'll elect someone else who will be.
I don't agree. There is no one who really rivals Osborne in terms of networking and having a base within the party, and his biggest rival and arguably someone who would definitely beat Corbyh - Boris - is looking less and less likely to win the Tory leadership as time goes on.
With due respect, you don't know much about the workings of the Tory party. We will pick somebody who will gt the job done.... There's plenty of talent to choose from.
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
I recall that poll, however most polls previously - including one by MORI, show them pretty much neck and neck. That question also doesn't tell us much - just percentage figures from certain groups. It doesn't tell us don't knows, Osborne's own favourbility figures, or even how many people think Osborne would be a better PM than Corbyn.
It tells us less than half of Labour voters think Corbyn would be a better PM than Osborne.
Yes and as I said before it doesn't tell us the amount of DKs or figures for the reverse question.
Will that change the fact that less than half your own supporters don't think he'd be good. Hard to imagine Corbyn changing his ways significantly enough to shift these figures. Of course, if the great purge goes ahead, then it's anyone's guess.
I love this excuse that Corbyn's ratings are caused by the 'barrage of negative publicity' about him, as though it were a temporary and accidental setback which (a) is nothing to do with the fact that there's a hell of a lot to be negative about, and (b) is somehow not going to apply or have any effect in the future.
I don't think they are the only cause, but they certainly part of it. The other part is as I said previously Corbyn is quite a divisive figure looking at his views on everything from the monarchy to immigration. Then again I forgot that the press aren't to be factored in as an influence when they do things Tories approve of...
All that the press have done in relation to Jeremy Corbyn is to tell people about his views, which are very well-known in Westminster and indeed are no secret - it's not as though he tries to hide them. It's only a barrage of negative publicity in the sense that until recently most people knew nothing about him, but now they are beginning to do so. There's further to go on that, of course.
I love this excuse that Corbyn's dismal ratings are caused by the 'barrage of negative publicity' about him, as though it were a temporary and accidental setback which (a) is nothing to do with the fact that there's a hell of a lot to be negative about, and (b) is somehow not going to apply or have any effect in the future.
At some point we'll get the catastrophe flip when the Corbynites stop blaming the press and decide that the problem is that Jeremy Corbyn was a wholly inadequate presenter of the right and proper views that he held.
I love this excuse that Corbyn's ratings are caused by the 'barrage of negative publicity' about him, as though it were a temporary and accidental setback which (a) is nothing to do with the fact that there's a hell of a lot to be negative about, and (b) is somehow not going to apply or have any effect in the future.
I don't think they are the only cause, but they certainly part of it. The other part is as I said previously Corbyn is quite a divisive figure looking at his views on everything from the monarchy to immigration. Then again I forgot that the press aren't to be factored in as an influence when they do things Tories approve of...
The European referendum poll from the other day asked people where they got their news from. The biggest source, by far, was BBC TV News, which 60%+ citing it as a source. All the newspaper together only got about 30%. Given the BBC so obviously leans to the left, I don't think the Labour Party has any grounds to complain about the media.
I love this excuse that Corbyn's ratings are caused by the 'barrage of negative publicity' about him, as though it were a temporary and accidental setback which (a) is nothing to do with the fact that there's a hell of a lot to be negative about, and (b) is somehow not going to apply or have any effect in the future.
I don't think they are the only cause, but they certainly part of it. The other part is as I said previously Corbyn is quite a divisive figure looking at his views on everything from the monarchy to immigration. Then again I forgot that the press aren't to be factored in as an influence when they do things Tories approve of...
It is like stormy weather on a fishing boat for Labour, it is there and a known factor. The predominant broadcast media (the BBC) is broadly seen as more sympathetic than the print media to the left, and the centre right doesn't get a free ride from the press either (Cameron revelations). Labour seems to have Twitter onside more than the Conservatives even for the new media, and Facebook just depends on one's personal friendslist - so will reflect the country as a whole in the round.
But it'll all be a factor at the 2020 election, so Labour had better deal with it.
BBC R4 has just broadcast Hilary Mantel's 'The Assassination of Margaret Thatcher'. You don't even have to listen to it, the very fact that it exists and the BBC has broadcast it will give that warm, familiar feeling of outrage!
For balance, we look forward to their "The Assassination of Alex Salmond"..... I'm sure all SNP voters would be tuning in.
Go for it. I'm sure you can tear yourself away from the the big Holywood blockbuster you're doubtless gestating.
I love this excuse that Corbyn's dismal ratings are caused by the 'barrage of negative publicity' about him, as though it were a temporary and accidental setback which (a) is nothing to do with the fact that there's a hell of a lot to be negative about, and (b) is somehow not going to apply or have any effect in the future.
At some point we'll get the catastrophe flip when the Corbynites stop blaming the press and decide that the problem is that Jeremy Corbyn was a wholly inadequate presenter of the right and proper views that he held.
Or that the problem was that he back-tracked from his views and compromised his principles under pressure from the Red Tories in the Shadow Cabinet.
In fact we'll probably get all three excuses simultaneously.
I love this excuse that Corbyn's dismal ratings are caused by the 'barrage of negative publicity' about him, as though it were a temporary and accidental setback which (a) is nothing to do with the fact that there's a hell of a lot to be negative about, and (b) is somehow not going to apply or have any effect in the future.
At some point we'll get the catastrophe flip when the Corbynites stop blaming the press and decide that the problem is that Jeremy Corbyn was a wholly inadequate presenter of the right and proper views that he held.
Some time in 2023 perhaps ?
Or will the realisation hit after the exit polls close in 2020 ?
I love this excuse that Corbyn's ratings are caused by the 'barrage of negative publicity' about him, as though it were a temporary and accidental setback which (a) is nothing to do with the fact that there's a hell of a lot to be negative about, and (b) is somehow not going to apply or have any effect in the future.
I don't think they are the only cause, but they certainly part of it. The other part is as I said previously Corbyn is quite a divisive figure looking at his views on everything from the monarchy to immigration. Then again I forgot that the press aren't to be factored in as an influence when they do things Tories approve of...
At some point we'll get the catastrophe flip when the Corbynites stop blaming the press and decide that the problem is that Jeremy Corbyn was a wholly inadequate presenter of the right and proper views that he held.
That will not happen until after Comrade Corbyn has been deposed and the lefties are busy expressing their undying loyalty to the new leader by rubbishing the previous one.
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
Not really. If Osborne isn't streets ahead of Corbyn - then we'll elect someone else who will be.
I don't agree. There is no one who really rivals Osborne in terms of networking and having a base within the party, and his biggest rival and arguably someone who would definitely beat Corbyh - Boris - is looking less and less likely to win the Tory leadership as time goes on.
With due respect, you don't know much about the workings of the Tory party. We will pick somebody who will gt the job done.... There's plenty of talent to choose from.
And I am one of the selectorate...
I think I do on this subjects. The Tory party is also prone to electing duds as leaders. Politics in general is lacking 'talent' as in people who can improve Britain as opposed to further the aims of the Tory party. They aren't always the same thing....
At some point we'll get the catastrophe flip when the Corbynites stop blaming the press and decide that the problem is that Jeremy Corbyn was a wholly inadequate presenter of the right and proper views that he held.
That will not happen until after Comrade Corbyn has been deposed and the lefties are busy expressing their undying loyalty to the new leader by rubbishing the previous one.
That's not good. VW aren't going bust, any time soon.
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
I recall that poll, however most polls previously - including one by MORI, show them pretty much neck and neck. That question also doesn't tell us much - just percentage figures from certain groups. It doesn't tell us don't knows, Osborne's own favourbility figures, or even how many people think Osborne would be a better PM than Corbyn.
It tells us less than half of Labour voters think Corbyn would be a better PM than Osborne.
Yes and as I said before it doesn't tell us the amount of DKs or figures for the reverse question.
Will that change the fact that less than half your own supporters don't think he'd be good. Hard to imagine Corbyn changing his ways significantly enough to shift these figures. Of course, if the great purge goes ahead, then it's anyone's guess.
I don't dispute that - but if it's a contest between terrible vs terrible then it makes it a contest of who is the least bad.
I love this excuse that Corbyn's dismal ratings are caused by the 'barrage of negative publicity' about him, as though it were a temporary and accidental setback which (a) is nothing to do with the fact that there's a hell of a lot to be negative about, and (b) is somehow not going to apply or have any effect in the future.
At some point we'll get the catastrophe flip when the Corbynites stop blaming the press and decide that the problem is that Jeremy Corbyn was a wholly inadequate presenter of the right and proper views that he held.
Or that the problem was that he back-tracked from his views and compromised his principles under pressure from the Red Tories in the Shadow Cabinet.
In fact we'll probably get all three excuses simultaneously.
You're quite right. I'm sure we'll hear "Corbynism wasn't tried and found wanting. It was never tried."
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
Not really. If Osborne isn't streets ahead of Corbyn - then we'll elect someone else who will be.
I don't agree. There is no one who really rivals Osborne in terms of networking and having a base within the party, and his biggest rival and arguably someone who would definitely beat Corbyh - Boris - is looking less and less likely to win the Tory leadership as time goes on.
With due respect, you don't know much about the workings of the Tory party. We will pick somebody who will gt the job done.... There's plenty of talent to choose from.
And I am one of the selectorate...
I think I do on this subjects. The Tory party is also prone to electing duds as leaders. Politics in general is lacking 'talent' as in people who can improve Britain as opposed to further the aims of the Tory party. They aren't always the same thing....
The Conservatives have Osborne, Javid, Hammond, May - they might not be everyone's cup of tea but they'll all tonk Corbyn on the PM question.
Only 43% of firm Labour voters thinking Corbyn would be a better PM than Osborne is utterly shocking. 57% will be washing their hair in May 2020.
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
I recall that poll, however most polls previously - including one by MORI, show them pretty much neck and neck. That question also doesn't tell us much - just percentage figures from certain groups. It doesn't tell us don't knows, Osborne's own favourbility figures, or even how many people think Osborne would be a better PM than Corbyn.
It tells us less than half of Labour voters think Corbyn would be a better PM than Osborne.
Yes and as I said before it doesn't tell us the amount of DKs or figures for the reverse question.
Will that change the fact that less than half your own supporters don't think he'd be good. Hard to imagine Corbyn changing his ways significantly enough to shift these figures. Of course, if the great purge goes ahead, then it's anyone's guess.
I don't dispute that - but if it's a contest between terrible vs terrible then it makes it a contest of who is the least bad.
I don't know why there has been such an overreaction to my mentioning of the press as a factor. I'm not a Corbynite, nor am I blaming the press, nor due I suffer from cognitive dissonance.
I love this excuse that Corbyn's ratings are caused by the 'barrage of negative publicity' about him, as though it were a temporary and accidental setback which (a) is nothing to do with the fact that there's a hell of a lot to be negative about, and (b) is somehow not going to apply or have any effect in the future.
I don't think they are the only cause, but they certainly part of it. The other part is as I said previously Corbyn is quite a divisive figure looking at his views on everything from the monarchy to immigration. Then again I forgot that the press aren't to be factored in as an influence when they do things Tories approve of...
All that the press have done in relation to Jeremy Corbyn is to tell people about his views, which are very well-known in Westminster and indeed are no secret - it's not as though he tries to hide them. It's only a barrage of negative publicity in the sense that until recently most people knew nothing about him, but now they are beginning to do so. There's further to go on that, of course.
Not really - certain headlines deliberately depict Corbyh negatively - it's hardly a neutral expression of Corbyn's views. And that story about Corbyn giving an IRA bloke £45 seems to be on thin ground.
I love this excuse that Corbyn's ratings are caused by the 'barrage of negative publicity' about him, as though it were a temporary and accidental setback which (a) is nothing to do with the fact that there's a hell of a lot to be negative about, and (b) is somehow not going to apply or have any effect in the future.
I don't think they are the only cause, but they certainly part of it. The other part is as I said previously Corbyn is quite a divisive figure looking at his views on everything from the monarchy to immigration. Then again I forgot that the press aren't to be factored in as an influence when they do things Tories approve of...
It is like stormy weather on a fishing boat for Labour, it is there and a known factor. The predominant broadcast media (the BBC) is broadly seen as more sympathetic than the print media to the left, and the centre right doesn't get a free ride from the press either (Cameron revelations). Labour seems to have Twitter onside more than the Conservatives even for the new media, and Facebook just depends on one's personal friendslist - so will reflect the country as a whole in the round.
But it'll all be a factor at the 2020 election, so Labour had better deal with it.
I overall agree although tbh I don't think Twitter really matters.
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
Not really. If Osborne isn't streets ahead of Corbyn - then we'll elect someone else who will be.
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
Not really. If Osborne isn't streets ahead of Corbyn - then we'll elect someone else who will be.
I love this excuse that Corbyn's ratings are caused by the 'barrage of negative publicity' about him, as though it were a temporary and accidental setback which (a) is nothing to do with the fact that there's a hell of a lot to be negative about, and (b) is somehow not going to apply or have any effect in the future.
I don't think they are the only cause, but they certainly part of it. The other part is as I said previously Corbyn is quite a divisive figure looking at his views on everything from the monarchy to immigration. Then again I forgot that the press aren't to be factored in as an influence when they do things Tories approve of...
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
I recall that poll, however most polls previously - including one by MORI, show them pretty much neck and neck. That question also doesn't tell us much - just percentage figures from certain groups. It doesn't tell us don't knows, Osborne's own favourbility figures, or even how many people think Osborne would be a better PM than Corbyn.
It tells us less than half of Labour voters think Corbyn would be a better PM than Osborne.
Yes and as I said before it doesn't tell us the amount of DKs or figures for the reverse question.
Will that change the fact that less than half your own supporters don't think he'd be good. Hard to imagine Corbyn changing his ways significantly enough to shift these figures. Of course, if the great purge goes ahead, then it's anyone's guess.
I don't dispute that - but if it's a contest between terrible vs terrible then it makes it a contest of who is the least bad.
The Conservatives have Osborne, Javid, Hammond, May - they might not be everyone's cup of tea but they'll all tonk Corbyn on the PM question.
Plus a decent reserve team (Jeremy Hunt etc). Of course there's Boris as well, but I think he's unlikely.
There's also one name which never gets mentioned and as far as I know is not offered by any bookie, but should be. And I'm not talking about some obscure backbencher, either.
At some point we'll get the catastrophe flip when the Corbynites stop blaming the press and decide that the problem is that Jeremy Corbyn was a wholly inadequate presenter of the right and proper views that he held.
That will not happen until after Comrade Corbyn has been deposed and the lefties are busy expressing their undying loyalty to the new leader by rubbishing the previous one.
That's not good. VW aren't going bust, any time soon.
Listening to the lawyer bonanza that seems to be starting up, I have my doubts.
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
I recall that poll, however most polls previously - including one by MORI, show them pretty much neck and neck. That question also doesn't tell us much - just percentage figures from certain groups. It doesn't tell us don't knows, Osborne's own favourbility figures, or even how many people think Osborne would be a better PM than Corbyn.
It tells us less than half of Labour voters think Corbyn would be a better PM than Osborne.
Yes and as I said before it doesn't tell us the amount of DKs or figures for the reverse question.
Will that change the fact that less than half your own supporters don't think he'd be good. Hard to imagine Corbyn changing his ways significantly enough to shift these figures. Of course, if the great purge goes ahead, then it's anyone's guess.
I don't dispute that - but if it's a contest between terrible vs terrible then it makes it a contest of who is the least bad.
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
Not really. If Osborne isn't streets ahead of Corbyn - then we'll elect someone else who will be.
I don't agree. There is no one who really rivals Osborne in terms of networking and having a base within the party, and his biggest rival and arguably someone who would definitely beat Corbyh - Boris - is looking less and less likely to win the Tory leadership as time goes on.
With due respect, you don't know much about the workings of the Tory party. We will pick somebody who will gt the job done.... There's plenty of talent to choose from.
And I am one of the selectorate...
I think I do on this subjects. The Tory party is also prone to electing duds as leaders. Politics in general is lacking 'talent' as in people who can improve Britain as opposed to further the aims of the Tory party. They aren't always the same thing....
The Conservatives have Osborne, Javid, Hammond, May - they might not be everyone's cup of tea but they'll all tonk Corbyn on the PM question.
Only 43% of firm Labour voters thinking Corbyn would be a better PM than Osborne is utterly shocking. 57% will be washing their hair in May 2020.
BBC R4 has just broadcast Hilary Mantel's 'The Assassination of Margaret Thatcher'. You don't even have to listen to it, the very fact that it exists and the BBC has broadcast it will give that warm, familiar feeling of outrage!
For balance, we look forward to their "The Assassination of Alex Salmond"..... I'm sure all SNP voters would be tuning in.
Go for it. I'm sure you can tear yourself away from the the big Holywood blockbuster you're doubtless gestating.
Actually, no I can't. Got a great producer attached to a project today.....
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
Not really. If Osborne isn't streets ahead of Corbyn - then we'll elect someone else who will be.
I don't agree. There is no one who really rivals Osborne in terms of networking and having a base within the party, and his biggest rival and arguably someone who would definitely beat Corbyh - Boris - is looking less and less likely to win the Tory leadership as time goes on.
With due respect, you don't know much about the workings of the Tory party. We will pick somebody who will gt the job done.... There's plenty of talent to choose from.
And I am one of the selectorate...
I think I do on this subjects. The Tory party is also prone to electing duds as leaders. Politics in general is lacking 'talent' as in people who can improve Britain as opposed to further the aims of the Tory party. They aren't always the same thing....
The Conservatives have Osborne, Javid, Hammond, May - they might not be everyone's cup of tea but they'll all tonk Corbyn on the PM question.
Only 43% of firm Labour voters thinking Corbyn would be a better PM than Osborne is utterly shocking. 57% will be washing their hair in May 2020.
One of them has been eating babies and murdreing disabled people faster than the Nazis for the last five years. For Corbyn to be on par with that is quite an achievement.
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
I recall that poll, however most polls previously - including one by MORI, show them pretty much neck and neck. That question also doesn't tell us much - just percentage figures from certain groups. It doesn't tell us don't knows, Osborne's own favourbility figures, or even how many people think Osborne would be a better PM than Corbyn.
It tells us less than half of Labour voters think Corbyn would be a better PM than Osborne.
Yes and as I said before it doesn't tell us the amount of DKs or figures for the reverse question.
Will that change the fact that less than half your own supporters don't think he'd be good. Hard to imagine Corbyn changing his ways significantly enough to shift these figures. Of course, if the great purge goes ahead, then it's anyone's guess.
I don't dispute that - but if it's a contest between terrible vs terrible then it makes it a contest of who is the least bad.
Net approval +19. Not exactly terrible for our heir-to-a-baronetcy.
That's on his role as chancellor though, not as a potential PM.
Shame you can't say that about the poll showing less than half your supporters think Corbyn would be a good PM.
My supporters? I've said several times I'm not a Corbynite is anyone who doesn't think Tory majority nailed on considered a die hard Corbynite on here or something?
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
I recall that poll, however most polls previously - including one by MORI, show them pretty much neck and neck. That question also doesn't tell us much - just percentage figures from certain groups. It doesn't tell us don't knows, Osborne's own favourbility figures, or even how many people think Osborne would be a better PM than Corbyn.
It tells us less than half of Labour voters think Corbyn would be a better PM than Osborne.
Yes and as I said before it doesn't tell us the amount of DKs or figures for the reverse question.
Will that change the fact that less than half your own supporters don't think he'd be good. Hard to imagine Corbyn changing his ways significantly enough to shift these figures. Of course, if the great purge goes ahead, then it's anyone's guess.
I don't dispute that - but if it's a contest between terrible vs terrible then it makes it a contest of who is the least bad.
Net approval +19. Not exactly terrible for our heir-to-a-baronetcy.
That's on his role as chancellor though, not as a potential PM.
Shame you can't say that about the poll showing less than half your supporters think Corbyn would be a good PM.
My supporters? I've said several times I'm not a Corbynite is anyone who doesn't think Tory majority nailed on considered a die hard Corbynite on here or something?
Sorry, I thought you were a Labour supporter. The poll showed that while a majority of Corbyn supporters thought he'd make a good PM, there isn't a majority of Labour voters with the same opinion.
The most obvious points are that: 1) We're a democracy 2) The Arab Spring worked almost nowhere (maybe Tunisia)
Still, if I could get more publicity when my next book comes out by saying something daft to get media coverage, I might well [though I'd prefer something witty and insightful].
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
Not really. If Osborne isn't streets ahead of Corbyn - then we'll elect someone else who will be.
I don't agree. There is no one who really rivals Osborne in terms of networking and having a base within the party, and his biggest rival and arguably someone who would definitely beat Corbyh - Boris - is looking less and less likely to win the Tory leadership as time goes on.
With due respect, you don't know much about the workings of the Tory party. We will pick somebody who will gt the job done.... There's plenty of talent to choose from.
And I am one of the selectorate...
I think I do on this subjects. The Tory party is also prone to electing duds as leaders. Politics in general is lacking 'talent' as in people who can improve Britain as opposed to further the aims of the Tory party. They aren't always the same thing....
The Conservatives have Osborne, Javid, Hammond, May - they might not be everyone's cup of tea but they'll all tonk Corbyn on the PM question.
Only 43% of firm Labour voters thinking Corbyn would be a better PM than Osborne is utterly shocking. 57% will be washing their hair in May 2020.
One of them has been eating babies and murdreing disabled people faster than the Nazis for the last five years. For Corbyn to be on par with that is quite an achievement.
A lot of that is internet stuff. It's certainly not in most of the mainstream press especially The Sun etc.
It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.
I recall that poll, however most polls previously - including one by MORI, show them pretty much neck and neck. That question also doesn't tell us much - just percentage figures from certain groups. It doesn't tell us don't knows, Osborne's own favourbility figures, or even how many people think Osborne would be a better PM than Corbyn.
It tells us less than half of Labour voters think Corbyn would be a better PM than Osborne.
Yes and as I said before it doesn't tell us the amount of DKs or figures for the reverse question.
Will that change the fact that less than half your own supporters don't think he'd be good. Hard to imagine Corbyn changing his ways significantly enough to shift these figures. Of course, if the great purge goes ahead, then it's anyone's guess.
I don't dispute that - but if it's a contest between terrible vs terrible then it makes it a contest of who is the least bad.
Net approval +19. Not exactly terrible for our heir-to-a-baronetcy.
That's on his role as chancellor though, not as a potential PM.
Shame you can't say that about the poll showing less than half your supporters think Corbyn would be a good PM.
My supporters? I've said several times I'm not a Corbynite is anyone who doesn't think Tory majority nailed on considered a die hard Corbynite on here or something?
Sorry, I thought you were a Labour supporter. The poll showed that while a majority of Corbyn supporters thought he'd make a good PM, there isn't a majority of Labour voters with the same opinion.
Sorry, I thought you were a Labour supporter. The poll showed that while a majority of Corbyn supporters thought he'd make a good PM, there isn't a majority of Labour voters with the same opinion.
I know that!
So I wasn't accusing you of being a Corbyn supporter.
I love this excuse that Corbyn's ratings are caused by the 'barrage of negative publicity' about him, as though it were a temporary and accidental setback which (a) is nothing to do with the fact that there's a hell of a lot to be negative about, and (b) is somehow not going to apply or have any effect in the future.
I don't think they are the only cause, but they certainly part of it. The other part is as I said previously Corbyn is quite a divisive figure looking at his views on everything from the monarchy to immigration. Then again I forgot that the press aren't to be factored in as an influence when they do things Tories approve of...
The European referendum poll from the other day asked people where they got their news from. The biggest source, by far, was BBC TV News, which 60%+ citing it as a source. All the newspaper together only got about 30%. Given the BBC so obviously leans to the left, I don't think the Labour Party has any grounds to complain about the media.
The BBC has hardly been pro Corbyn! Leaning to the left doesn't mean supporting Corbyh - I'm a leftie and I disagree with him on most things.
Why do you concentrate on Osborne as being the next Conservative leader? Have a look at the alternatives - forget Boris and May they are the past - look at some of the youngsters coming through the pack. My money remains on the contest being between Liz Truss and Sajid Javid (assuming neither of them blow up in the stables between now and the race). Justine Greening ought to have made the start but she has been so thoroughly house trained by the DfID I very much doubt she will get a look in (much to Morris Dancer's disappointment I am sure).
Sorry, I thought you were a Labour supporter. The poll showed that while a majority of Corbyn supporters thought he'd make a good PM, there isn't a majority of Labour voters with the same opinion.
I know that!
So I wasn't accusing you of being a Corbyn supporter.
I meant 'I know that' in relation to what the poll says. I'm on my phone so it's difficult to highlight stuff in bold to make things more clear.
Why do you concentrate on Osborne as being the next Conservative leader? Have a look at the alternatives - forget Boris and May they are the past - look at some of the youngsters coming through the pack. My money remains on the contest being between Liz Truss and Sajid Javid (assuming neither of them blow up in the stables between now and the contest). Justine Greening ought to have made the start but she has been so thoroughly house trained by the DfID I very much doubt she will get a look in (much to Morris Dancer's disappointment I am sure).
I'm of the opinion that our illustrious chancellor shouldn't go for leader, and instead let a young'un have a shot.
Sorry, I thought you were a Labour supporter. The poll showed that while a majority of Corbyn supporters thought he'd make a good PM, there isn't a majority of Labour voters with the same opinion.
I know that!
So I wasn't accusing you of being a Corbyn supporter.
I meant 'I know that' in relation to what the poll says. I'm on my phone so it's difficult to highlight stuff in bold to make things more clear.
Yes, but in your reply to me you seemed to suggest I thought you were a Corbyn supporter. I never said that, nor did I imply it.
Why do you concentrate on Osborne as being the next Conservative leader? Have a look at the alternatives - forget Boris and May they are the past - look at some of the youngsters coming through the pack. My money remains on the contest being between Liz Truss and Sajid Javid (assuming neither of them blow up in the stables between now and the contest). Justine Greening ought to have made the start but she has been so thoroughly house trained by the DfID I very much doubt she will get a look in (much to Morris Dancer's disappointment I am sure).
Liz Truss and Javid youngsters! In all seriousness I think Javid will only bid for the leadership if Osborbe doesn't and Truss doesn't appear to have that much of a base.
Why do you concentrate on Osborne as being the next Conservative leader? Have a look at the alternatives - forget Boris and May they are the past - look at some of the youngsters coming through the pack. My money remains on the contest being between Liz Truss and Sajid Javid (assuming neither of them blow up in the stables between now and the contest). Justine Greening ought to have made the start but she has been so thoroughly house trained by the DfID I very much doubt she will get a look in (much to Morris Dancer's disappointment I am sure).
Liz Truss and Javid youngsters
Exactly the type of people who feel most disillusioned from politics.
Why do you concentrate on Osborne as being the next Conservative leader? Have a look at the alternatives - forget Boris and May they are the past - look at some of the youngsters coming through the pack. My money remains on the contest being between Liz Truss and Sajid Javid (assuming neither of them blow up in the stables between now and the contest). Justine Greening ought to have made the start but she has been so thoroughly house trained by the DfID I very much doubt she will get a look in (much to Morris Dancer's disappointment I am sure).
I'm of the opinion that our illustrious chancellor shouldn't go for leader, and instead let a young'un have a shot.
I agree Mr D.. If Osborne does not go for the top job then he may go down in history as a passable chancellor (which is probably more than he deserves). If he tries I think he will fail. Not least because on previous form we are due a re-recession towards the end of this parliament which will knock the shine off of any record he may have created. He also has somewhat less leadership ability than my cat and I think most of the Conservative selectorate will know that..
Why do you concentrate on Osborne as being the next Conservative leader? Have a look at the alternatives - forget Boris and May they are the past - look at some of the youngsters coming through the pack. My money remains on the contest being between Liz Truss and Sajid Javid (assuming neither of them blow up in the stables between now and the contest). Justine Greening ought to have made the start but she has been so thoroughly house trained by the DfID I very much doubt she will get a look in (much to Morris Dancer's disappointment I am sure).
Liz Truss and Javid youngsters
Exactly the type of people who feel most disillusioned from politics.
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There were (and prob still are) several unpleasant people in CWF when I was a very young activist who I did have dealings with who I wouldn't care to ever meet again.
Still, after seeing Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell take up the two most senior opposition positions, I suppose we shouldn't be surprised by anything.
Concur with your remark that people move where they're happy - I used to live in upper High Wycombe surrounded by bankers and hunters, and fled to Holloway. When kids are being naughty here we tell them about Tory voters, but they don't really believe they exist.
>> Corbyn clearly can't today.
An alternative to a good score is to have some reach outside your party.
>> Corbyn clearly doesn't yet have the ability to fish in the Tory or Lib Dem pool.
The only thing surprising about these figures is that people are surprised about these figures.
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/09/the-huge-shock-coming-down-the-track-for-the-corbynites.html
Sub Foot.
And Cameron hasn't exactly had the best publicity in the last few days either.
They've actually managed to find a leader MORE unelectable than Michael Foot.
Fun With Straw Clutching.
I guess that means Corbyn has no toes? This little piggy will NOT be going to market....
Won't keep the monsters away though.
Worth a note of caution. Polling can, just occasionally, be wrong.
That said, it's bloody dire for the Chairman. I'm not sure the Vindictive Vegan's policy on open warfare with meat-eaters will help, though.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/agriculture/food/11887317/Treat-meat-eaters-like-smokers-warns-Jeremy-Corbyns-new-vegan-farming-minister-Kerry-McCarthy.html
And I am one of the selectorate...
The Sun will have great fun telling White Van Man about Labour's latest wheeze. We'll get to recycle all those pork gags from about three days ago....
It is like stormy weather on a fishing boat for Labour, it is there and a known factor. The predominant broadcast media (the BBC) is broadly seen as more sympathetic than the print media to the left, and the centre right doesn't get a free ride from the press either (Cameron revelations). Labour seems to have Twitter onside more than the Conservatives even for the new media, and Facebook just depends on one's personal friendslist - so will reflect the country as a whole in the round.
But it'll all be a factor at the 2020 election, so Labour had better deal with it.
I'm sure you can tear yourself away from the the big Holywood blockbuster you're doubtless gestating.
In fact we'll probably get all three excuses simultaneously.
Or will the realisation hit after the exit polls close in 2020 ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11887975/The-end-of-the-Labour-Party-might-be-closer-than-any-of-us-really-believed.html
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ROKXlvYMKQc
Only 43% of firm Labour voters thinking Corbyn would be a better PM than Osborne is utterly shocking. 57% will be washing their hair in May 2020.
Net approval +19. Not exactly terrible for our heir-to-a-baronetcy.
There's also one name which never gets mentioned and as far as I know is not offered by any bookie, but should be. And I'm not talking about some obscure backbencher, either.
"All the same, she calls the advent of new Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn the “English Spring”.
“It’s the English version and it’s greatly to be welcomed."
http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/vanessa-redgrave-before-i-didn-t-care-at-all-now-i-find-myself-thinking-what-a-miracle-everything-is-a2954866.html
I will accept your apology now.
The most obvious points are that:
1) We're a democracy
2) The Arab Spring worked almost nowhere (maybe Tunisia)
Still, if I could get more publicity when my next book comes out by saying something daft to get media coverage, I might well [though I'd prefer something witty and insightful].
Why do you concentrate on Osborne as being the next Conservative leader? Have a look at the alternatives - forget Boris and May they are the past - look at some of the youngsters coming through the pack. My money remains on the contest being between Liz Truss and Sajid Javid (assuming neither of them blow up in the stables between now and the race). Justine Greening ought to have made the start but she has been so thoroughly house trained by the DfID I very much doubt she will get a look in (much to Morris Dancer's disappointment I am sure).
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