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Ipsos MORI/Standard poll on Cameron vs Corbyn
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MarqueeMark

Killer numbers. Corbyn will destroy Labour.

TheWhiteRabbit

I actually particpated in this poll.

Corbyn is, in effect, confirming existing perceptions of Labour as unfit to govern, and its leader as non-prime ministerial.

I struggled to answer these for Farron.

Tissue_Price

The voting intention & leader favourability figures should be up later today. Could the Tories be in the 40s, or Labour in the 20s? I'll guess at 39-30.

MarqueeMark

Divided: 75 plays 38. Labour have added 32% to their divided number. And that is before the wars really start. The public have a pretty shrewd notion of how this is going to play out already.

Punters don't vote for divided parties.

MikeSmithson

Tissue_Price said:

The voting intention & leader favourability figures should be up later today. Could the Tories be in the 40s, or Labour in the 20s? I'll guess at 39-30.

My guess is that we might have to wait till tomorrow for the rest of the data. The Standard usually has two stabs at getting stories out of its pol.

Plato_Says

Out of date, extreme, divided and unpatriotic - what's not to like?

MarqueeMark said:

Killer numbers. Corbyn will destroy Labour.

TheScreamingEagles

Those patriotic figures are a killer.

The country will never elect someone they consider unpatriotic

Pulpstar

MarqueeMark said:

Divided: 75 plays 38. Labour have added 32% to their divided number. And that is before the wars really start. The public have a pretty shrewd notion of how this is going to play out already.

Punters don't vote for divided parties.

Yep, it's the divided number that's the biggest issue in that lot so far as I can see.

The rifts are real and very public, and the PLP needs to recognise the new reality that this is Jezza's party now ! 59% of the vote. That's a bigger % than Blair achieved.

Obviously they probably won't win whatever happens, but trying to keep their rifts somewhat private might bump them from say 170 to 190 seats !

Plato_Says

@JosiasJessop Thanx for James Randi tip - will check out on iPlayer.

Richard_Nabavi

Alarming that as many as 35% think Labour is currently fit to govern, but I imagine that figure will drop quite a bit more as the spectacle continues.

JosiasJessop

FPT & OT:

As Chinese companies are invited to get involved with British high-speed rail projects, British railway companies win contracts on American high-speed rail projects.

http://www.railengineer.uk/2015/08/28/brits-move-to-california/

taffys

Out of date, extreme, divided and unpatriotic...

sounds like Basil Fawlty's comments after the hotel inspector's long list of complaints

'Other than that OK....????'

isam

Plato_Says said:

Out of date, extreme, divided and unpatriotic - what's not to like?

MarqueeMark said:

Killer numbers. Corbyn will destroy Labour.

You cant really justify "extreme" there, but still not good numbers

Plato_Says

taffys said:

Out of date, extreme, divided and unpatriotic...

sounds like Basil Fawlty's comments after the hotel inspector's long list of complaints

'Other than that OK....????'

taffys

Alarming that as many as 35% think Labour is currently fit to govern, but I imagine that figure will drop quite a bit more as the spectacle continues.''

And, as the last election shows, there's a big difference between answering a poll and putting a cross on a ballot.

JosiasJessop

Plato_Says said:

@JosiasJessop Thanx for James Randi tip - will check out on iPlayer.

I hope you enjoy it. Don't read up on his life on Wiki - it might spoil what becomes a rather odd drama at the end.

As an aside, there was a British TV program a decade or so ago where Randi goes into a science lab that claimed to have scientifically proven homoeopathy. By doing a strict double-blind experiment (including taping results in a sealed envelope to the ceiling) he managed to prove that their procedures were pants, and it was their processes at fault.

The scientists were rather upset by this.

For this alone, Randi deserves some form of honour.

Edit: my memory was more or less correct:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/homeopathy.shtml

Sunil_Prasannan

TheScreamingEagles said:

Those patriotic figures are a killer.

The country will never elect someone they consider unpatriotic

"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" - Dr Johnson

watford30

JosiasJessop said:

FPT & OT:

As Chinese companies are invited to get involved with British high-speed rail projects, British railway companies win contracts on American high-speed rail projects.

http://www.railengineer.uk/2015/08/28/brits-move-to-california/

Network Rail? They can't even get the existing lines into Waterloo running properly.

The Yanks are dooooooomed.

Sunil_Prasannan

MarqueeMark said:

Killer numbers. Corbyn will destroy Labour.

#DUJCA

Sunil_Prasannan

watford30 said:

JosiasJessop said:

FPT & OT:

As Chinese companies are invited to get involved with British high-speed rail projects, British railway companies win contracts on American high-speed rail projects.

http://www.railengineer.uk/2015/08/28/brits-move-to-california/

Network Rail? They can't even get the existing lines into Waterloo running properly.

The Yanks are dooooooomed.

Upper deck of the re-vamped Birmingham New Street station opened today - "Grand Central" shopping centre. Unfortunately, the down escalators onto the concourse level weren't working!

TheScreamingEagles

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Those patriotic figures are a killer.

The country will never elect someone they consider unpatriotic

"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" - Dr Johnson

Indeed and why do you think the Tories used it on Ed during the election ?

It works.

Slackbladder

Looks like the eariler media blitz on Corbyn has worked pretty much...

LadyBucket

Sorry missed the previous thread - I know it's not a scientific survey but there have lots of copies of the Daily Mail left on the shelves over the last few days. I think this tawdry book is going to sink without trace. I would love the know the number of cancelled orders for it. Ashcroft's tweet about the proceeds going to charity was a bit of a give away. Even his friend, Tim Montgomerie, thinks Ashcroft will be more damaged by this.

Looks like the Labour Party Conference is going to knock everything else off the screens next week, given Corbyn's comments about welfare, HS2 and Trident. The polls are going to be more interesting 'after' the conference.

TheScreamingEagles

This poll also tells you swinehead revisited doesn't matter.

Plato_Says

The jump in some of those numbers are eye-boggling.

Slackbladder said:

Looks like the eariler media blitz on Corbyn has worked pretty much...

Sunil_Prasannan

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Those patriotic figures are a killer.

The country will never elect someone they consider unpatriotic

"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" - Dr Johnson

Indeed and why do you think the Tories used it on Ed during the election ?

It works.

"Patriotism, i.e., a willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons." - Bertrand Russell

SandyRentool

JosiasJessop said:

FPT & OT:

As Chinese companies are invited to get involved with British high-speed rail projects, British railway companies win contracts on American high-speed rail projects.

http://www.railengineer.uk/2015/08/28/brits-move-to-california/

That's a Canadian company and a US company!

taffys

looks like the earlier media blitz on Corbyn has worked pretty much...

Yeah its all the right wing media's fault. Everybody loves Jeremy's policies.

TheScreamingEagles

@MSmithsonPB: Corbyn opens his Ipsos MORI satisfaction ratings with a net minus 3% - the worst opening figure ever by a new LAB leader

TheWhiteRabbit

Slackbladder said:

Looks like the eariler media blitz on Corbyn has worked pretty much...

Do you think Corbyn is patriotic, a nice scottish woman asked me.

In that moment, all I could think was: won't sing the national anthem, didn't back intervention in the Falklands, happy to let NI go without further comment... whatever the merits of those positions, they aren't patriotic.

I was polled before pig-gate.

isam

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Those patriotic figures are a killer.

The country will never elect someone they consider unpatriotic

"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" - Dr Johnson

Indeed and why do you think the Tories used it on Ed during the election ?

It works.

Hope they use it on Sadiq then... although saying that it could work against them in London

Plato_Says

It was wall to wall in the Mail online for 3 days - I felt it was complete overkill for not much content. It put me off visiting their site as it shoved more entertaining bread/butter stuff out.

LadyBucket said:

Sorry missed the previous thread - I know it's not a scientific survey but there have lots of copies of the Daily Mail left on the shelves over the last few days. I think this tawdry book is going to sink without trace. I would love the know the number of cancelled orders for it. Ashcroft's tweet about the proceeds going to charity was a bit of a give away. Even his friend, Tim Montgomerie, thinks Ashcroft will be more damaged by this.

Looks like the Labour Party Conference is going to knock everything else off the screens next week, given Corbyn's comments about welfare, HS2 and Trident. The polls are going to be more interesting 'after' the conference.

TheScreamingEagles

Corbyn's ratings are worse than Hague and IDS

jayfdee

TheScreamingEagles said:

@MSmithsonPB: Corbyn opens his Ipsos MORI satisfaction ratings with a net minus 3% - the worst opening figure ever by a new LAB leader

And this is the honeymoon.

Pulpstar

TheScreamingEagles said:

@MSmithsonPB: Corbyn opens his Ipsos MORI satisfaction ratings with a net minus 3% - the worst opening figure ever by a new LAB leader

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu9A9rOTjFY

Slackbladder

taffys said:

looks like the earlier media blitz on Corbyn has worked pretty much...

Yeah its all the right wing media's fault. Everybody loves Jeremy's policies.

It's the age old mistake that both Miliband and now Corbyn have made.

If you don't define your own image, then other people will do it for you.

Problem is Corbyns image IS pretty much what he's now seen as, whereas with Ed, he was just too much of a non-entity that it allowed people to portay him a different number of unflattering ways.

isam

TheScreamingEagles said:

@MSmithsonPB: Corbyn opens his Ipsos MORI satisfaction ratings with a net minus 3% - the worst opening figure ever by a new LAB leader

Isn't it a little odd to post a tweet from someone who is posting on this thread anyway?

Sunil_Prasannan

TheScreamingEagles said:

This poll also tells you swinehead revisited doesn't matter.

Pork & Ride

madasafish

Plato_Says said:

It was wall to wall in the Mail online for 3 days - I felt it was complete overkill for not much content. It put me off visiting their site as it shoved more entertaining bread/butter stuff out.

LadyBucket said:

Sorry missed the previous thread - I know it's not a scientific survey but there have lots of copies of the Daily Mail left on the shelves over the last few days. I think this tawdry book is going to sink without trace. I would love the know the number of cancelled orders for it. Ashcroft's tweet about the proceeds going to charity was a bit of a give away. Even his friend, Tim Montgomerie, thinks Ashcroft will be more damaged by this.

Looks like the Labour Party Conference is going to knock everything else off the screens next week, given Corbyn's comments about welfare, HS2 and Trident. The polls are going to be more interesting 'after' the conference.

You forgot to add: the conference may back mandatory re-selection of MPs..

At that point, I suspect the real fun will start.

"Those whom the gods will destroy, they first make mad"...seems apposite.

Slackbladder

Sky News ‏@SkyNews 4 mins4 minutes ago

At least 717 people are now thought to have been killed in the stampede outside Mecca http://bit.ly/1VaQRnh

wow, thats a lot of people, and it seems to happen every year..

why can't something be done about this?

Sunil_Prasannan

jayfdee said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

@MSmithsonPB: Corbyn opens his Ipsos MORI satisfaction ratings with a net minus 3% - the worst opening figure ever by a new LAB leader

And this is the honeymoon.

Honeymoons? Honeymoons are a right-wing, Bourgeois, Tory concept!

Richard_Nabavi

The Labour conference coverage will be all about splits and plots. There's nothing which political journalists like more, and they'll have a field day.

Plato_Says

Ed Blank Sheet Of Paper Miliband... in action.

Slackbladder said:

taffys said:

looks like the earlier media blitz on Corbyn has worked pretty much...

Yeah its all the right wing media's fault. Everybody loves Jeremy's policies.

It's the age old mistake that both Miliband and now Corbyn have made.

If you don't define your own image, then other people will do it for you.

Problem is Corbyns image IS pretty much what he's now seen as, whereas with Ed, he was just too much of a non-entity that it allowed people to portay him a different number of unflattering ways.

TheScreamingEagles

Slackbladder said:

Sky News ‏@SkyNews 4 mins4 minutes ago

At least 717 people are now thought to have been killed in the stampede outside Mecca http://bit.ly/1VaQRnh

wow, thats a lot of people, and it seems to happen every year..

why can't something be done about this?

They did. They made the bit where this happens safer and there's been fewer incidents in recent years.

When I went where you go throw stones at the devil it's a bit like the first twenty minutes of Saving Private Ryan

Sunil_Prasannan

madasafish said:

Plato_Says said:

It was wall to wall in the Mail online for 3 days - I felt it was complete overkill for not much content. It put me off visiting their site as it shoved more entertaining bread/butter stuff out.

LadyBucket said:

Sorry missed the previous thread - I know it's not a scientific survey but there have lots of copies of the Daily Mail left on the shelves over the last few days. I think this tawdry book is going to sink without trace. I would love the know the number of cancelled orders for it. Ashcroft's tweet about the proceeds going to charity was a bit of a give away. Even his friend, Tim Montgomerie, thinks Ashcroft will be more damaged by this.

Looks like the Labour Party Conference is going to knock everything else off the screens next week, given Corbyn's comments about welfare, HS2 and Trident. The polls are going to be more interesting 'after' the conference.

You forgot to add: the conference may back mandatory re-selection of MPs..

At that point, I suspect the real fun will start.

"Those whom the gods will destroy, they first make mad"...seems apposite.

"See, madness, as you know, is like gravity: all it takes is a little push!" - The Joker

Plato_Says

I'm bulk-buying popcorn - it's IMO a terrible place to make decisions - all group think and echo chamber reassurance.

Maybe some more moderate attendees will save the day - but saying the will of conference is setting Party policy is madness.

madasafish said:

Plato_Says said:

It was wall to wall in the Mail online for 3 days - I felt it was complete overkill for not much content. It put me off visiting their site as it shoved more entertaining bread/butter stuff out.

LadyBucket said:

Sorry missed the previous thread - I know it's not a scientific survey but there have lots of copies of the Daily Mail left on the shelves over the last few days. I think this tawdry book is going to sink without trace. I would love the know the number of cancelled orders for it. Ashcroft's tweet about the proceeds going to charity was a bit of a give away. Even his friend, Tim Montgomerie, thinks Ashcroft will be more damaged by this.

Looks like the Labour Party Conference is going to knock everything else off the screens next week, given Corbyn's comments about welfare, HS2 and Trident. The polls are going to be more interesting 'after' the conference.

You forgot to add: the conference may back mandatory re-selection of MPs..

At that point, I suspect the real fun will start.

"Those whom the gods will destroy, they first make mad"...seems apposite.

SimonStClare

-3


Arf.

madasafish

Sunil_Prasannan said:

madasafish said:

Plato_Says said:

It was wall to wall in the Mail online for 3 days - I felt it was complete overkill for not much content. It put me off visiting their site as it shoved more entertaining bread/butter stuff out.

LadyBucket said:

Sorry missed the previous thread - I know it's not a scientific survey but there have lots of copies of the Daily Mail left on the shelves over the last few days. I think this tawdry book is going to sink without trace. I would love the know the number of cancelled orders for it. Ashcroft's tweet about the proceeds going to charity was a bit of a give away. Even his friend, Tim Montgomerie, thinks Ashcroft will be more damaged by this.

Looks like the Labour Party Conference is going to knock everything else off the screens next week, given Corbyn's comments about welfare, HS2 and Trident. The polls are going to be more interesting 'after' the conference.

You forgot to add: the conference may back mandatory re-selection of MPs..

At that point, I suspect the real fun will start.

"Those whom the gods will destroy, they first make mad"...seems apposite.

"See, madness, as you know, is like gravity: all it takes is a little push!" - The Joker

Yes: my nickname says it all..:-)

taffys

This is the first concrete sign that English voters won;t simply allow Labour to be one of two dominant parties, whoever they appoint and whatever they do.

CarlottaVance

TheScreamingEagles said:

This poll also tells you swinehead revisited doesn't matter.

WHAT???!!!!

You mean this poll was fielded after Cameron's reputation was 'destroyed', rendered the 'laughing stock of Europe' and if he didn't sue 'would be proof of guilt'?

I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked!

Pulpstar

@BenM tweeted:

"Mark Easton ‏@BBCMarkEaston 3h3 hours ago Tottenham, London

Shocking 25% INCREASE in homeless families with children living in B&Bs in England since last summer."

B&Bs ?

Luxury ! Whats wrong with providing them with a tent !

JohnLilburne

Sunil_Prasannan said:

watford30 said:

JosiasJessop said:

FPT & OT:

As Chinese companies are invited to get involved with British high-speed rail projects, British railway companies win contracts on American high-speed rail projects.

http://www.railengineer.uk/2015/08/28/brits-move-to-california/

Network Rail? They can't even get the existing lines into Waterloo running properly.

The Yanks are dooooooomed.

Upper deck of the re-vamped Birmingham New Street station opened today - "Grand Central" shopping centre. Unfortunately, the down escalators onto the concourse level weren't working!

I bet the platform level is still a dungeon.

TheScreamingEagles

CarlottaVance said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

This poll also tells you swinehead revisited doesn't matter.

WHAT???!!!!

You mean this poll was fielded after Cameron's reputation was 'destroyed', rendered the 'laughing stock of Europe' and if he didn't sue 'would be proof of guilt'?

I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked!

I'm shocked Dave is still PM. I mean Coulson, Pastygate, Going to Morrisons, Chickening out of the debates were all career enders

madasafish

taffys said:

This is the first concrete sign that English voters won;t simply allow Labour to be one of two dominant parties, whoever they appoint and whatever they do.

I would turn it round the other way: it shows how out of touch Corbyn and Labour are with their core voters..

"Even Ed was better." - Kiss of Death.

Scott_P

@election_data: One for the Lab-UKIP watchers: the Pontefract North by-election today. Expect Lab win but +/- important as always.

CarlottaVance

JohnLilburne said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

watford30 said:

JosiasJessop said:

FPT & OT:

As Chinese companies are invited to get involved with British high-speed rail projects, British railway companies win contracts on American high-speed rail projects.

http://www.railengineer.uk/2015/08/28/brits-move-to-california/

Network Rail? They can't even get the existing lines into Waterloo running properly.

The Yanks are dooooooomed.

Upper deck of the re-vamped Birmingham New Street station opened today - "Grand Central" shopping centre. Unfortunately, the down escalators onto the concourse level weren't working!

I bet the platform level is still a dungeon.

Rumour has it they like it that way.....

JosiasJessop

SandyRentool said:

JosiasJessop said:

FPT & OT:

As Chinese companies are invited to get involved with British high-speed rail projects, British railway companies win contracts on American high-speed rail projects.

http://www.railengineer.uk/2015/08/28/brits-move-to-california/

That's a Canadian company and a US company!

"Network Rail Consulting, the international consultancy arm of Network Rail, has been selected as part Parsons Brinckerhoff’s consultant team."

kle4

I find the 'lots of personality' one interesting - unlike some previous fiery left wingers, Corbyn was deliberately not very fiery in his campaign, being staid and measured all the way, and it wasn't until his victory speech that he seemed to really get passionate and show some personality, so people may not really have a sense of that part of him yet, hence why he and Cameron (Cameron the Bland, as some might thignk of him) are tied on how much personality they have.

Pulpstar

Corbyn's ratings are poor, but electing Ed Miliband was a stroke of luck as Corbyn's tenure only lasted a month back in 2010.

Hertsmere_Pubgoer

LadyBucket said:

Sorry missed the previous thread - I know it's not a scientific survey but there have lots of copies of the Daily Mail left on the shelves over the last few days. I think this tawdry book is going to sink without trace. I would love the know the number of cancelled orders for it. Ashcroft's tweet about the proceeds going to charity was a bit of a give away. Even his friend, Tim Montgomerie, thinks Ashcroft will be more damaged by this.

Looks like the Labour Party Conference is going to knock everything else off the screens next week, given Corbyn's comments about welfare, HS2 and Trident. The polls are going to be more interesting 'after' the conference.

It may be that the Mail printed lots of extra copies in expectation of a sales surge on the back of this serialisation.
I used to work in a newsagents when younger and it was quite common then.

TheWhiteRabbit

CarlottaVance said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

This poll also tells you swinehead revisited doesn't matter.

WHAT???!!!!

You mean this poll was fielded after Cameron's reputation was 'destroyed', rendered the 'laughing stock of Europe' and if he didn't sue 'would be proof of guilt'?

I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked!

I was polled for this before pig-gate. (Sunday afternoon I think)

Pulpstar

Off topic:

Saw a sign at the local Tesco today for some Eid prayers that took place this morning in the car park there !

CarlottaVance

TheScreamingEagles said:

CarlottaVance said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

This poll also tells you swinehead revisited doesn't matter.

WHAT???!!!!

You mean this poll was fielded after Cameron's reputation was 'destroyed', rendered the 'laughing stock of Europe' and if he didn't sue 'would be proof of guilt'?

I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked!

I'm shocked Dave is still PM. I mean Coulson, Pastygate, Going to Morrisons, Chickening out of the debates were all career enders

You forgot 'riding a horse' and 'leaving a kid in a pub'.......

Sunil_Prasannan

JohnLilburne said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

watford30 said:

JosiasJessop said:

FPT & OT:

As Chinese companies are invited to get involved with British high-speed rail projects, British railway companies win contracts on American high-speed rail projects.

http://www.railengineer.uk/2015/08/28/brits-move-to-california/

Network Rail? They can't even get the existing lines into Waterloo running properly.

The Yanks are dooooooomed.

Upper deck of the re-vamped Birmingham New Street station opened today - "Grand Central" shopping centre. Unfortunately, the down escalators onto the concourse level weren't working!

I bet the platform level is still a dungeon.

It's brighter than what it was!

felix

isam said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Those patriotic figures are a killer.

The country will never elect someone they consider unpatriotic

"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" - Dr Johnson

Indeed and why do you think the Tories used it on Ed during the election ?

It works.

Hope they use it on Sadiq then... although saying that it could work against them in London

It might not work in inner London so much but the outer boroughs could swing it for Zac rather like they've done for Boris.

Anorak

Article title needs fixing. Missing a 'first'. Like this thread, for a change.

kle4

This may be Corbyn's honeymoon period, but I cannot discount the possibility he will break the mould a little - he was not expected to have a chance in winning after all - and thus he starts so poorly on thi sranking that he in fact improves with time

JosiasJessop

JohnLilburne said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

watford30 said:

JosiasJessop said:

FPT & OT:

As Chinese companies are invited to get involved with British high-speed rail projects, British railway companies win contracts on American high-speed rail projects.

http://www.railengineer.uk/2015/08/28/brits-move-to-california/

Network Rail? They can't even get the existing lines into Waterloo running properly.

The Yanks are dooooooomed.

Upper deck of the re-vamped Birmingham New Street station opened today - "Grand Central" shopping centre. Unfortunately, the down escalators onto the concourse level weren't working!

I bet the platform level is still a dungeon.

Yep, and one that apparently significantly hampers service patterns because they cannot expand.

TheScreamingEagles

Pulpstar said:

Off topic:

Saw a sign at the local Tesco today for some Eid prayers that took place this morning in the car park there !

Which Tesco was that ?

The Spittal Hill one?

Jonathan

Good to have some data. Turns out that new govt still in its honeymoon and that Corbyn is a controversial choice.

Who'davthunkit?

taffys

Perhaps voters like Jeremy Corbyn's honesty because, when they vote against him, it will be abundantly clear what they are rejecting.

Pulpstar

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pulpstar said:

Off topic:

Saw a sign at the local Tesco today for some Eid prayers that took place this morning in the car park there !

Which Tesco was that ?

Spital Hill

Slackbladder

Jonathan said:

Good to have some data. Turns out that new govt still in its honeymoon and that Corbyn is a controversial choice.

Who'davthunkit?

It's not really a new government though is it...

Plato_Says

I wonder what % we're catching. 10%?

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SandyRentool

JosiasJessop said:

SandyRentool said:

JosiasJessop said:

FPT & OT:

As Chinese companies are invited to get involved with British high-speed rail projects, British railway companies win contracts on American high-speed rail projects.

http://www.railengineer.uk/2015/08/28/brits-move-to-california/

That's a Canadian company and a US company!

"Network Rail Consulting, the international consultancy arm of Network Rail, has been selected as part Parsons Brinckerhoff’s consultant team."

A UK subby to a Canadian company then :-)

CarlottaVance

Sunil_Prasannan said:

JohnLilburne said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

watford30 said:

JosiasJessop said:

FPT & OT:

As Chinese companies are invited to get involved with British high-speed rail projects, British railway companies win contracts on American high-speed rail projects.

http://www.railengineer.uk/2015/08/28/brits-move-to-california/

Network Rail? They can't even get the existing lines into Waterloo running properly.

The Yanks are dooooooomed.

Upper deck of the re-vamped Birmingham New Street station opened today - "Grand Central" shopping centre. Unfortunately, the down escalators onto the concourse level weren't working!

I bet the platform level is still a dungeon.

It's brighter than what it was!

In fairness (a user of New Street since the early '70s) they were dealt a very bad hand - but compared to that other sixties disaster Penn Stn they are light years ahead.....

TheScreamingEagles

Pulpstar said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pulpstar said:

Off topic:

Saw a sign at the local Tesco today for some Eid prayers that took place this morning in the car park there !

Which Tesco was that ?

Spital Hill

Thought so. I'll be there later on this evening

Jonathan

Slackbladder said:

Jonathan said:

Good to have some data. Turns out that new govt still in its honeymoon and that Corbyn is a controversial choice.

Who'davthunkit?

It's not really a new government though is it...

That's not what the government says though. First Tory govt for 400 years! Big changes afoot!

felix

madasafish said:

Plato_Says said:

It was wall to wall in the Mail online for 3 days - I felt it was complete overkill for not much content. It put me off visiting their site as it shoved more entertaining bread/butter stuff out.

LadyBucket said:

Sorry missed the previous thread - I know it's not a scientific survey but there have lots of copies of the Daily Mail left on the shelves over the last few days. I think this tawdry book is going to sink without trace. I would love the know the number of cancelled orders for it. Ashcroft's tweet about the proceeds going to charity was a bit of a give away. Even his friend, Tim Montgomerie, thinks Ashcroft will be more damaged by this.

Looks like the Labour Party Conference is going to knock everything else off the screens next week, given Corbyn's comments about welfare, HS2 and Trident. The polls are going to be more interesting 'after' the conference.

You forgot to add: the conference may back mandatory re-selection of MPs..

At that point, I suspect the real fun will start.

"Those whom the gods will destroy, they first make mad"...seems apposite.

And also there's Trident and ending the benefit cap. Perfect storm which in any normal party would be enough for a swift rethink and removal.

AlastairMeeks

It will surprise no one to discover that the standard Corbynite reaction has been to blame the wickedness of the media.

Dadge

In this clip from PMQs in June, who's the chap in the dogcollar sitting behind Angus Robertson? https://www.facebook.com/bbcnews/videos/10152853358117217/ Thanks

Scott_P

@NCPoliticsUK: Ipsos MORI/Evening Standard:

CON 39 (+2)
LAB 34 (+3)
LIB 8 (-2)
UKIP 7 (-2)
GRN 4 (-4)
SNP 5 (=)

19th-22nd
N=1,255
https://t.co/hmMOCPJQW5

TheWhiteRabbit

Scott_P said:

@NCPoliticsUK: Ipsos MORI/Evening Standard:

CON 39 (+2)
LAB 34 (+3)
LIB 8 (-2)
UKIP 7 (-2)
GRN 4 (-4)
SNP 5 (=)

19th-22nd
N=1,255
https://t.co/hmMOCPJQW5

Some before, some after pig-gate then.

Changes against?

Slackbladder

Scott_P said:

@NCPoliticsUK: Ipsos MORI/Evening Standard:

CON 39 (+2)
LAB 34 (+3)
LIB 8 (-2)
UKIP 7 (-2)
GRN 4 (-4)
SNP 5 (=)

19th-22nd
N=1,255
https://t.co/hmMOCPJQW5

Labour hoovering up the Green vote, which will get them no where at all.

Edit: The values still look wrong compared with the GE, Lib dems higher than UKIP?

Greens way too high especially before, and still now.

Plato_Says

Greenies migrating to Labour - no surprises there.

Scott_P said:

@NCPoliticsUK: Ipsos MORI/Evening Standard:

CON 39 (+2)
LAB 34 (+3)
LIB 8 (-2)
UKIP 7 (-2)
GRN 4 (-4)
SNP 5 (=)

19th-22nd
N=1,255
https://t.co/hmMOCPJQW5

madasafish

felix said:

madasafish said:

Plato_Says said:

It was wall to wall in the Mail online for 3 days - I felt it was complete overkill for not much content. It put me off visiting their site as it shoved more entertaining bread/butter stuff out.

LadyBucket said:

Sorry missed the previous thread - I know it's not a scientific survey but there have lots of copies of the Daily Mail left on the shelves over the last few days. I think this tawdry book is going to sink without trace. I would love the know the number of cancelled orders for it. Ashcroft's tweet about the proceeds going to charity was a bit of a give away. Even his friend, Tim Montgomerie, thinks Ashcroft will be more damaged by this.

Looks like the Labour Party Conference is going to knock everything else off the screens next week, given Corbyn's comments about welfare, HS2 and Trident. The polls are going to be more interesting 'after' the conference.

You forgot to add: the conference may back mandatory re-selection of MPs..

At that point, I suspect the real fun will start.

"Those whom the gods will destroy, they first make mad"...seems apposite.

And also there's Trident and ending the benefit cap. Perfect storm which in any normal party would be enough for a swift rethink and removal.

Other "normal" parties have elected IDS - and then fired him ... and Farage - who resigned - and then resurrected himself...

So such behaviour is far from uncommon...

TheScreamingEagles

Fieldwork for this poll was Saturday to Tuesday. So about half to a third of it would have been post Swinehead Revisted

DavidL

The divided stat is the one that stands out for me. Up 32% points! Almost doubled in fact. And this is before the Conference.

Labour have made a truly terrible mistake. How do they get out of it?

felix

madasafish said:

felix said:

madasafish said:

Plato_Says said:

It was wall to wall in the Mail online for 3 days - I felt it was complete overkill for not much content. It put me off visiting their site as it shoved more entertaining bread/butter stuff out.

LadyBucket said:

Sorry missed the previous thread - I know it's not a scientific survey but there have lots of copies of the Daily Mail left on the shelves over the last few days. I think this tawdry book is going to sink without trace. I would love the know the number of cancelled orders for it. Ashcroft's tweet about the proceeds going to charity was a bit of a give away. Even his friend, Tim Montgomerie, thinks Ashcroft will be more damaged by this.

Looks like the Labour Party Conference is going to knock everything else off the screens next week, given Corbyn's comments about welfare, HS2 and Trident. The polls are going to be more interesting 'after' the conference.

You forgot to add: the conference may back mandatory re-selection of MPs..

At that point, I suspect the real fun will start.

"Those whom the gods will destroy, they first make mad"...seems apposite.

And also there's Trident and ending the benefit cap. Perfect storm which in any normal party would be enough for a swift rethink and removal.

Other "normal" parties have elected IDS - and then fired him ... and Farage - who resigned - and then resurrected himself...

So such behaviour is far from uncommon...

You miss the point - I don't think Labour will get rid. They'll be bolstered by the Mori voter intention poll. They'd be wrong - but there you are.

BannedInParis

I am assuming this has done the rounds,

well if not, this is much nearer to my experience of that side of things

http://www.lrb.co.uk/2015/09/23/nick-richardson/short-cuts

Plato_Says

It's perfect for Tories - Labour hug a poll bounce to their chests, think the bad numbers don't matter and stick with Corbyn - marvellous.

felix said:

madasafish said:

felix said:

madasafish said:

Plato_Says said:

It was wall to wall in the Mail online for 3 days - I felt it was complete overkill for not much content. It put me off visiting their site as it shoved more entertaining bread/butter stuff out.

LadyBucket said:

Sorry missed the previous thread - I know it's not a scientific survey but there have lots of copies of the Daily Mail left on the shelves over the last few days. I think this tawdry book is going to sink without trace. I would love the know the number of cancelled orders for it. Ashcroft's tweet about the proceeds going to charity was a bit of a give away. Even his friend, Tim Montgomerie, thinks Ashcroft will be more damaged by this.

Looks like the Labour Party Conference is going to knock everything else off the screens next week, given Corbyn's comments about welfare, HS2 and Trident. The polls are going to be more interesting 'after' the conference.

You forgot to add: the conference may back mandatory re-selection of MPs..

At that point, I suspect the real fun will start.

"Those whom the gods will destroy, they first make mad"...seems apposite.

And also there's Trident and ending the benefit cap. Perfect storm which in any normal party would be enough for a swift rethink and removal.

Other "normal" parties have elected IDS - and then fired him ... and Farage - who resigned - and then resurrected himself...

So such behaviour is far from uncommon...

You miss the point - I don't think Labour will get rid. They'll be bolstered by the Mori voter intention poll. They'd be wrong - but there you are.

Casino_Royale

Is 'out-of-touch' just people's code for 'too posh' ?

Slackbladder

felix said:

madasafish said:

felix said:

madasafish said:

Plato_Says said:

It was wall to wall in the Mail online for 3 days - I felt it was complete overkill for not much content. It put me off visiting their site as it shoved more entertaining bread/butter stuff out.

LadyBucket said:

Sorry missed the previous thread - I know it's not a scientific survey but there have lots of copies of the Daily Mail left on the shelves over the last few days. I think this tawdry book is going to sink without trace. I would love the know the number of cancelled orders for it. Ashcroft's tweet about the proceeds going to charity was a bit of a give away. Even his friend, Tim Montgomerie, thinks Ashcroft will be more damaged by this.

Looks like the Labour Party Conference is going to knock everything else off the screens next week, given Corbyn's comments about welfare, HS2 and Trident. The polls are going to be more interesting 'after' the conference.

You forgot to add: the conference may back mandatory re-selection of MPs..

At that point, I suspect the real fun will start.

"Those whom the gods will destroy, they first make mad"...seems apposite.

And also there's Trident and ending the benefit cap. Perfect storm which in any normal party would be enough for a swift rethink and removal.

Other "normal" parties have elected IDS - and then fired him ... and Farage - who resigned - and then resurrected himself...

So such behaviour is far from uncommon...

You miss the point - I don't think Labour will get rid. They'll be bolstered by the Mori voter intention poll. They'd be wrong - but there you are.

I think that for the time being, the supplementaries are more usful than the mainline polls.

TheScreamingEagles

Scott_P said:

@NCPoliticsUK: Ipsos MORI/Evening Standard:

CON 39 (+2)
LAB 34 (+3)
LIB 8 (-2)
UKIP 7 (-2)
GRN 4 (-4)
SNP 5 (=)

19th-22nd
N=1,255
https://t.co/hmMOCPJQW5

I have this theory that Corbyn will cause a Kipper to Con boost.

CarlottaVance

TBH not sure how much you can read into these numbers at this stage - a group (Kinnock, Blair, Brown, Miliband) all cluster around upper teens and while one was a spectacular success, the others were not. That said, more evidence of the mountain to be climbed by Corbyn.....

felix

Slackbladder said:

Scott_P said:

@NCPoliticsUK: Ipsos MORI/Evening Standard:

CON 39 (+2)
LAB 34 (+3)
LIB 8 (-2)
UKIP 7 (-2)
GRN 4 (-4)
SNP 5 (=)

19th-22nd
N=1,255
https://t.co/hmMOCPJQW5

Labour hoovering up the Green vote, which will get them no where at all.

Edit: The values still look wrong compared with the GE, Lib dems higher than UKIP?

Greens way too high especially before, and still now.

The biggest problem with the poll and indeed most others, as shown in May - is they appear unable to account for non-voters/unregistered voters and also where the voters are. Labour getting ever more inner-city votes didn't help them much in May.

TheScreamingEagles

Casino_Royale said:

Is 'out-of-touch' just people's code for 'too posh' ?

Yes I think that's what the Plebs mean. But they don't mind electing as their Tribune of the Plebs a posh boy Aristo

GarethoftheVale2

Scott_P said:

@NCPoliticsUK: Ipsos MORI/Evening Standard:

CON 39 (+2)
LAB 34 (+3)
LIB 8 (-2)
UKIP 7 (-2)
GRN 4 (-4)
SNP 5 (=)

19th-22nd
N=1,255
https://t.co/hmMOCPJQW5

Those numbers look a bit out of whack to me due to the fact that the Greens have lost half their votes and are still on their GE score. Effectively if you add together Lab+LD+Green then this combined total is 4% higher than the GE. I also don't buy that UKIP has lost nearly half its vote while the migrant crisis is in the news every day.

JWisemann

Doesn't matter what right wing people think of Corbyn as long as enough people vote for labour. And the polls are creeping up already, despite the turnout adjustments,

JohnO

Dadge said:

In this clip from PMQs in June, who's the chap in the dogcollar sitting behind Angus Robertson? https://www.facebook.com/bbcnews/videos/10152853358117217/ Thanks

That's a Commons official....probably one of the Sargeant at Arms staff. He's not an MP.