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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,038
    surbiton said:

    Asylum applications per 1000 population:

    5.6 Sweden
    3.6 Germany
    0.5 UK

    Despite popular belief most people do not want to come to the UK.

    That doesn't account for the fact that it is much harder to get to the UK to even apply.
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    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:



    Sorry, I thought you were a Labour supporter. The poll showed that while a majority of Corbyn supporters thought he'd make a good PM, there isn't a majority of Labour voters with the same opinion.

    I know that!
    So I wasn't accusing you of being a Corbyn supporter.
    I meant 'I know that' in relation to what the poll says. I'm on my phone so it's difficult to highlight stuff in bold to make things more clear.
    Yes, but in your reply to me you seemed to suggest I thought you were a Corbyn supporter. I never said that, nor did I imply it.

    I think your use of 'your' in relation to accusing me of supporting Labour does by default imply that I support Corbyn!
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,948
    runnymede said:

    I presume we must assume the 37% who think Corbyn 'patriotic' are either living in a parallel universe or (more likely) don't actually know who he is.

    I think Jezza is patriotic.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    surbiton said:

    Asylum applications per 1000 population:

    5.6 Sweden
    3.6 Germany
    0.5 UK

    Despite popular belief most people do not want to come to the UK.

    I think the fact that there were more than 500,000 immigrants to the UK during the last year may suggest that lots and lots of people do want to come and live here. Probably more than we can cope with.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,038

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:



    Sorry, I thought you were a Labour supporter. The poll showed that while a majority of Corbyn supporters thought he'd make a good PM, there isn't a majority of Labour voters with the same opinion.

    I know that!
    So I wasn't accusing you of being a Corbyn supporter.
    I meant 'I know that' in relation to what the poll says. I'm on my phone so it's difficult to highlight stuff in bold to make things more clear.
    Yes, but in your reply to me you seemed to suggest I thought you were a Corbyn supporter. I never said that, nor did I imply it.

    I think your use of 'your' in relation to accusing me of supporting Labour does by default imply that I support Corbyn!
    Are you serious? You can support Labour without supporting Corbyn.
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    Mr. Royale, Vanessa Redgrave's a moron.

    The most obvious points are that:
    1) We're a democracy
    2) The Arab Spring worked almost nowhere (maybe Tunisia)

    Still, if I could get more publicity when my next book comes out by saying something daft to get media coverage, I might well [though I'd prefer something witty and insightful].

    It's interesting though, isn't it?

    One can easily waltz through life believing everyone involved in the creative arts is a Lefty luvvie.

    But both you and SeanT are successful publishing authors, and Marquee Mark is a big hitter involved in film production.

    None of you are left-wing at all.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    surbiton said:

    Asylum applications per 1000 population:

    5.6 Sweden
    3.6 Germany
    0.5 UK

    Despite popular belief most people do not want to come to the UK.

    That's right,compare Britain to two insane governments on asylum and immigration.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,948

    surbiton said:

    Asylum applications per 1000 population:

    5.6 Sweden
    3.6 Germany
    0.5 UK

    Despite popular belief most people do not want to come to the UK.

    That's right,compare Britain to two insane governments on asylum and immigration.
    Please quote an appropriate comparator.
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    runnymede said:

    I presume we must assume the 37% who think Corbyn 'patriotic' are either living in a parallel universe or (more likely) don't actually know who he is.

    I think Jezza is patriotic.
    ..about global socialism.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,338

    Mr. Royale, Vanessa Redgrave's a moron.

    The most obvious points are that:
    1) We're a democracy
    2) The Arab Spring worked almost nowhere (maybe Tunisia)

    Still, if I could get more publicity when my next book comes out by saying something daft to get media coverage, I might well [though I'd prefer something witty and insightful].

    It's interesting though, isn't it?

    One can easily waltz through life believing everyone involved in the creative arts is a Lefty luvvie.

    But both you and SeanT are successful publishing authors, and Marquee Mark is a big hitter involved in film production.

    None of you are left-wing at all.
    SeanT voted LibDem in 2010.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,919

    Mr. Royale, Vanessa Redgrave's a moron.

    The most obvious points are that:
    1) We're a democracy
    2) The Arab Spring worked almost nowhere (maybe Tunisia)

    Still, if I could get more publicity when my next book comes out by saying something daft to get media coverage, I might well [though I'd prefer something witty and insightful].

    It's interesting though, isn't it?

    One can easily waltz through life believing everyone involved in the creative arts is a Lefty luvvie.

    But both you and SeanT are successful publishing authors, and Marquee Mark is a big hitter involved in film production.

    None of you are left-wing at all.
    I note that you have pointedly omitted to say they are not luvvies. ;-) SeanT is most definitely a luvvie.
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    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:



    Sorry, I thought you were a Labour supporter. The poll showed that while a majority of Corbyn supporters thought he'd make a good PM, there isn't a majority of Labour voters with the same opinion.

    I know that!
    So I wasn't accusing you of being a Corbyn supporter.
    I meant 'I know that' in relation to what the poll says. I'm on my phone so it's difficult to highlight stuff in bold to make things more clear.
    Yes, but in your reply to me you seemed to suggest I thought you were a Corbyn supporter. I never said that, nor did I imply it.

    I think your use of 'your' in relation to accusing me of supporting Labour does by default imply that I support Corbyn!
    Are you serious? You can support Labour without supporting Corbyn.
    I'm completely serious.
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    surbiton said:

    Asylum applications per 1000 population:

    5.6 Sweden
    3.6 Germany
    0.5 UK

    Despite popular belief most people do not want to come to the UK.

    That's right,compare Britain to two insane governments on asylum and immigration.
    Please quote an appropriate comparator.
    The wealthy nation states in the Arabian peninsula would be a good start.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Mr. Royale, Vanessa Redgrave's a moron.

    The most obvious points are that:
    1) We're a democracy
    2) The Arab Spring worked almost nowhere (maybe Tunisia)

    Still, if I could get more publicity when my next book comes out by saying something daft to get media coverage, I might well [though I'd prefer something witty and insightful].

    It's interesting though, isn't it?

    One can easily waltz through life believing everyone involved in the creative arts is a Lefty luvvie.

    But both you and SeanT are successful publishing authors, and Marquee Mark is a big hitter involved in film production.

    None of you are left-wing at all.
    In fact, extreme right !
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    rcs1000 said:

    Mr. Royale, Vanessa Redgrave's a moron.

    The most obvious points are that:
    1) We're a democracy
    2) The Arab Spring worked almost nowhere (maybe Tunisia)

    Still, if I could get more publicity when my next book comes out by saying something daft to get media coverage, I might well [though I'd prefer something witty and insightful].

    It's interesting though, isn't it?

    One can easily waltz through life believing everyone involved in the creative arts is a Lefty luvvie.

    But both you and SeanT are successful publishing authors, and Marquee Mark is a big hitter involved in film production.

    None of you are left-wing at all.
    SeanT voted LibDem in 2010.
    WHAT?!!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,038
    edited September 2015

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:



    Sorry, I thought you were a Labour supporter. The poll showed that while a majority of Corbyn supporters thought he'd make a good PM, there isn't a majority of Labour voters with the same opinion.

    I know that!
    So I wasn't accusing you of being a Corbyn supporter.
    I meant 'I know that' in relation to what the poll says. I'm on my phone so it's difficult to highlight stuff in bold to make things more clear.
    Yes, but in your reply to me you seemed to suggest I thought you were a Corbyn supporter. I never said that, nor did I imply it.

    I think your use of 'your' in relation to accusing me of supporting Labour does by default imply that I support Corbyn!
    Are you serious? You can support Labour without supporting Corbyn.
    I'm completely serious.
    So people who don't support Corbyn aren't Labour supporters? What about all the members who didn't vote for him in the election?
    Unspoofable, as some might say.
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @surbiton

    'Asylum applications per 1000 population:

    5.6 Sweden
    3.6 Germany
    0.5 UK

    Despite popular belief most people do not want to come to the UK.'


    You do come up with some rubbish.

    In 2014 UK accepted 14,605 asylum seekers more than 17 other EU countries combined.

    Changes in population during the past 20 years Germany - 0.5 million UK + 7 million.
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    rcs1000 said:

    Mr. Royale, Vanessa Redgrave's a moron.

    The most obvious points are that:
    1) We're a democracy
    2) The Arab Spring worked almost nowhere (maybe Tunisia)

    Still, if I could get more publicity when my next book comes out by saying something daft to get media coverage, I might well [though I'd prefer something witty and insightful].

    It's interesting though, isn't it?

    One can easily waltz through life believing everyone involved in the creative arts is a Lefty luvvie.

    But both you and SeanT are successful publishing authors, and Marquee Mark is a big hitter involved in film production.

    None of you are left-wing at all.
    SeanT voted LibDem in 2010.
    But that was tactical - the Conservatives couldn't unseat Labour where he lived.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    runnymede said:

    I presume we must assume the 37% who think Corbyn 'patriotic' are either living in a parallel universe or (more likely) don't actually know who he is.

    I think Jezza is patriotic.
    Our National Anthem is not about the country but about the Monarch. Who does a republican support when England plays an international ?

    It is like saying the French are not patriotic as they do not have a family of free-loaders !
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    Mr. Royale, kind of you to say so, but at the moment I'm very much Japan compared to the All Blacks. [Hoping next year, with a potential (and ridiculous) 5 books will mark a change in my fortunes].

    I do agree that it can often seem writers and the like are lefties to a man, but it isn't the case. As for being a luvvie, I'm a grizzled Yorkshireman.

    Of course, if anyone wants to dip their toe in the water before the (possible) flood of books next year, do check them out:
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Thaddeus-White/e/B008C6RU98/

    F1: got a message back from Ladbrokes, which surprised me, about the Merhi bet. Politely asked for the bet to be corrected (ie counted as a win), and will let people know how that turns out.
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    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:



    Sorry, I thought you were a Labour supporter. The poll showed that while a majority of Corbyn supporters thought he'd make a good PM, there isn't a majority of Labour voters with the same opinion.

    I know that!
    So I wasn't accusing you of being a Corbyn supporter.
    I meant 'I know that' in relation to what the poll says. I'm on my phone so it's difficult to highlight stuff in bold to make things more clear.
    Yes, but in your reply to me you seemed to suggest I thought you were a Corbyn supporter. I never said that, nor did I imply it.

    I think your use of 'your' in relation to accusing me of supporting Labour does by default imply that I support Corbyn!
    Are you serious? You can support Labour without supporting Corbyn.
    I'm completely serious.
    So people who don't support Corbyn aren't Labour supporters? What about all the members who didn't vote for him in the election?
    Unspoofable, as some might say.
    Not necessarily, but what I've seen most of those who don't support Corbyn (including myself) no longer (or don't intend to) vote Labour.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited September 2015
    Calling PB Business community:

    Those of you who are in the business of selling , particularly, to the manufacturing industry: how is your business doing in the last 3 months ? We have seen our order books recover last year and kind of peaking in Q1 but then started to fall. In Q3, it is looking like our total order book will be about 25% below end of March.

    From May onwards, it has been falling continuously.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:



    Sorry, I thought you were a Labour supporter. The poll showed that while a majority of Corbyn supporters thought he'd make a good PM, there isn't a majority of Labour voters with the same opinion.

    I know that!
    So I wasn't accusing you of being a Corbyn supporter.
    I meant 'I know that' in relation to what the poll says. I'm on my phone so it's difficult to highlight stuff in bold to make things more clear.
    Yes, but in your reply to me you seemed to suggest I thought you were a Corbyn supporter. I never said that, nor did I imply it.

    I think your use of 'your' in relation to accusing me of supporting Labour does by default imply that I support Corbyn!
    Are you serious? You can support Labour without supporting Corbyn.
    I'm completely serious.
    So people who don't support Corbyn aren't Labour supporters? What about all the members who didn't vote for him in the election?
    Unspoofable, as some might say.
    Not necessarily, but what I've seen most of those who don't support Corbyn (including myself) no longer (or don't intend to) vote Labour.
    So you are saying those who live in Yvette Cooper's constituency will not vote for her because Corbyn is the leader ?

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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,919
    surbiton said:

    Calling PB Business community:

    Those of you who are in the business of selling , particularly, to the manufacturing industry: how is your business doing in the last 3 months ? We have seen our order books recover last year and kind of peaking in Q1 but then started to fall. In Q3, it is looking like our total order book will be about 25% below end of March.

    From May onwards, it has been falling continuously.

    End of election mini boom?
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    James Wharton doing himself no favours in his response to the crisis at SSI. Let's hope the voters of Ingleby Barwick remember this in 2020.
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    RobD said:

    On reflection, based on current polling,I can say we are.....

    youtube.com/watch?v=ROKXlvYMKQc

    "We're aaaaaall LEFT!"

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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,097

    runnymede said:

    I presume we must assume the 37% who think Corbyn 'patriotic' are either living in a parallel universe or (more likely) don't actually know who he is.

    I think Jezza is patriotic.
    I don't think he is. But there is nothing wrong with not being patriotic, at least at a time when invasion is unimaginable.
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,088
    surbiton said:

    runnymede said:

    I presume we must assume the 37% who think Corbyn 'patriotic' are either living in a parallel universe or (more likely) don't actually know who he is.

    I think Jezza is patriotic.
    Our National Anthem is not about the country but about the Monarch. Who does a republican support when England plays an international ?

    It is like saying the French are not patriotic as they do not have a family of free-loaders !
    The trouble is you can't over-think these things. It may be about a Monarch and it may be about God which isn't great for Atheist Republicans but in the end it IS the national anthem. I'm not sure Corbyn will be able to brush it off. We may not be the most patriotic nation but he has a job on his hands to convince us he likes Britain.
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    PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    edited September 2015
    Jonathan said:

    surbiton said:

    Calling PB Business community:
    Those of you who are in the business of selling , particularly, to the manufacturing industry: how is your business doing in the last 3 months ? We have seen our order books recover last year and kind of peaking in Q1 but then started to fall. In Q3, it is looking like our total order book will be about 25% below end of March.
    From May onwards, it has been falling continuously.

    End of election mini boom?
    End of Coalition Government....... and stability.

    Beginning of dogmatism and confrontation.
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    surbiton said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:



    Sorry, I thought you were a Labour supporter. The poll showed that while a majority of Corbyn supporters thought he'd make a good PM, there isn't a majority of Labour voters with the same opinion.

    I know that!
    So I wasn't accusing you of being a Corbyn supporter.
    I meant 'I know that' in relation to what the poll says. I'm on my phone so it's difficult to highlight stuff in bold to make things more clear.
    Yes, but in your reply to me you seemed to suggest I thought you were a Corbyn supporter. I never said that, nor did I imply it.

    I think your use of 'your' in relation to accusing me of supporting Labour does by default imply that I support Corbyn!
    Are you serious? You can support Labour without supporting Corbyn.
    I'm completely serious.
    So people who don't support Corbyn aren't Labour supporters? What about all the members who didn't vote for him in the election?
    Unspoofable, as some might say.
    Not necessarily, but what I've seen most of those who don't support Corbyn (including myself) no longer (or don't intend to) vote Labour.
    So you are saying those who live in Yvette Cooper's constituency will not vote for her because Corbyn is the leader ?

    No! You can live in Cooper's constituency and still support Corbyn's leadership.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    surbiton said:

    runnymede said:

    I presume we must assume the 37% who think Corbyn 'patriotic' are either living in a parallel universe or (more likely) don't actually know who he is.

    I think Jezza is patriotic.
    Our National Anthem is not about the country but about the Monarch. Who does a republican support when England plays an international ?

    It is like saying the French are not patriotic as they do not have a family of free-loaders !
    The trouble is you can't over-think these things. It may be about a Monarch and it may be about God which isn't great for Atheist Republicans but in the end it IS the national anthem. I'm not sure Corbyn will be able to brush it off. We may not be the most patriotic nation but he has a job on his hands to convince us he likes Britain.
    Sometimes, I wish I was Welsh or a Scot !
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,097

    surbiton said:

    runnymede said:

    I presume we must assume the 37% who think Corbyn 'patriotic' are either living in a parallel universe or (more likely) don't actually know who he is.

    I think Jezza is patriotic.
    Our National Anthem is not about the country but about the Monarch. Who does a republican support when England plays an international ?

    It is like saying the French are not patriotic as they do not have a family of free-loaders !
    The trouble is you can't over-think these things. It may be about a Monarch and it may be about God which isn't great for Atheist Republicans but in the end it IS the national anthem. I'm not sure Corbyn will be able to brush it off. We may not be the most patriotic nation but he has a job on his hands to convince us he likes Britain.
    I do not have any evidence to disbelieve or believe in the god and I certainly do not believe in saving the queen above anyone else, but it is fine. The British monarchy is a tool controlled by the democratic representative institutions and used to organise certain state affairs. It is irrational but not a priority when so much else is more wrong.
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    JEO said:



    "I really believe that meat should be treated in exactly the same way as tobacco, with public campaigns to stop people eating it."
    -- Kerry McCarthy, prospective Minister for Agriculture

    I've been a vegetarian for nearly 24 years, since my 16th birthday :)

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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Jonathan said:

    surbiton said:

    Calling PB Business community:

    Those of you who are in the business of selling , particularly, to the manufacturing industry: how is your business doing in the last 3 months ? We have seen our order books recover last year and kind of peaking in Q1 but then started to fall. In Q3, it is looking like our total order book will be about 25% below end of March.

    From May onwards, it has been falling continuously.

    End of election mini boom?
    Or being out classed/outpriced by a competitor, or selling an out of date product or selling into a failing sector/firms within industry or any of a thousand and one other reasons. As people often point out on here anecdote is not data, the fact that Surbiton's firm is going in the shitter on its own tells us nothing about the state of UK manufacturing.
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    EPG said:

    surbiton said:

    runnymede said:

    I presume we must assume the 37% who think Corbyn 'patriotic' are either living in a parallel universe or (more likely) don't actually know who he is.

    I think Jezza is patriotic.
    Our National Anthem is not about the country but about the Monarch. Who does a republican support when England plays an international ?

    It is like saying the French are not patriotic as they do not have a family of free-loaders !
    The trouble is you can't over-think these things. It may be about a Monarch and it may be about God which isn't great for Atheist Republicans but in the end it IS the national anthem. I'm not sure Corbyn will be able to brush it off. We may not be the most patriotic nation but he has a job on his hands to convince us he likes Britain.
    I do not have any evidence to disbelieve or believe in the god and I certainly do not believe in saving the queen above anyone else, but it is fine. The British monarchy is a tool controlled by the democratic representative institutions and used to organise certain state affairs. It is irrational but not a priority when so much else is more wrong.
    "Got it all wrong, holy man! I absolutely believe in God... and I absolutely hate the f***er!" - Riddick.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,038

    surbiton said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:



    Sorry, I thought you were a Labour supporter. The poll showed that while a majority of Corbyn supporters thought he'd make a good PM, there isn't a majority of Labour voters with the same opinion.

    I know that!
    So I wasn't accusing you of being a Corbyn supporter.
    I meant 'I know that' in relation to what the poll says. I'm on my phone so it's difficult to highlight stuff in bold to make things more clear.
    Yes, but in your reply to me you seemed to suggest I thought you were a Corbyn supporter. I never said that, nor did I imply it.

    I think your use of 'your' in relation to accusing me of supporting Labour does by default imply that I support Corbyn!
    Are you serious? You can support Labour without supporting Corbyn.
    I'm completely serious.
    So people who don't support Corbyn aren't Labour supporters? What about all the members who didn't vote for him in the election?
    Unspoofable, as some might say.
    Not necessarily, but what I've seen most of those who don't support Corbyn (including myself) no longer (or don't intend to) vote Labour.
    So you are saying those who live in Yvette Cooper's constituency will not vote for her because Corbyn is the leader ?

    No! You can live in Cooper's constituency and still support Corbyn's leadership.
    That wasn't surbiton's point. It's clear you are just trolling now.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited September 2015
    john_zims said:

    @surbiton

    'Asylum applications per 1000 population:

    5.6 Sweden
    3.6 Germany
    0.5 UK

    Despite popular belief most people do not want to come to the UK.'


    You do come up with some rubbish.

    In 2014 UK accepted 14,605 asylum seekers more than 17 other EU countries combined.

    Changes in population during the past 20 years Germany - 0.5 million UK + 7 million.

    Please read the FT ! Presumably, they are writing "rubbish".

    "More than 17 other EU countries combined". OK , if you add Slovenia, Latvia, .....

    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/7f7e0d28-5225-11e5-8642-453585f2cfcd.html#axzz3mgDyTnyk
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,919

    Jonathan said:

    surbiton said:

    Calling PB Business community:

    Those of you who are in the business of selling , particularly, to the manufacturing industry: how is your business doing in the last 3 months ? We have seen our order books recover last year and kind of peaking in Q1 but then started to fall. In Q3, it is looking like our total order book will be about 25% below end of March.

    From May onwards, it has been falling continuously.

    End of election mini boom?
    Or being out classed/outpriced by a competitor, or selling an out of date product or selling into a failing sector/firms within industry or any of a thousand and one other reasons. As people often point out on here anecdote is not data, the fact that Surbiton's firm is going in the shitter on its own tells us nothing about the state of UK manufacturing.
    That's a bit harsh and personal. Quite a few profit warnings out there at the moment.
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    Oh Jezbollah, never change.

    @tnewtondunn: EXCL: Jeremy Corbyn's fresh IRA controversy - agreed to talk at Sinn Fein's Labour conference fringe meeting; http://t.co/JuqlUhF6kp
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    George Osborne seems to think that if a Chinese company wins a contract to build HS2 they will use British steel in the construction. Yeah, right.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Jonathan said:

    surbiton said:

    Calling PB Business community:

    Those of you who are in the business of selling , particularly, to the manufacturing industry: how is your business doing in the last 3 months ? We have seen our order books recover last year and kind of peaking in Q1 but then started to fall. In Q3, it is looking like our total order book will be about 25% below end of March.

    From May onwards, it has been falling continuously.

    End of election mini boom?
    Or being out classed/outpriced by a competitor, or selling an out of date product or selling into a failing sector/firms within industry or any of a thousand and one other reasons. As people often point out on here anecdote is not data, the fact that Surbiton's firm is going in the shitter on its own tells us nothing about the state of UK manufacturing.
    Funny, you should say that. Despite those stats, our market share is actually increasing !
    I await Q3 numbers at the end of October.

    We sell to the heart of British Manufacturing industry. Automotive, Food, Mobile, Packaging, Steel ..................... It's not good, I can tell you.
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited September 2015
    Ben Carson is giving Kanye West the cold shoulder.
    'As soon as I heard Carson speak, I tried for three weeks to get on the phone with him. I was like this is the most brilliant guy,' said West.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3247863/Kanye-West-confirms-plan-run-president-2020-calls-Ben-Carson-brilliant-guy-revealing-spent-weeks-trying-contact-Republican-hopeful.html
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    @Apocalypse

    Why do you concentrate on Osborne as being the next Conservative leader? Have a look at the alternatives - forget Boris and May they are the past - look at some of the youngsters coming through the pack. My money remains on the contest being between Liz Truss and Sajid Javid (assuming neither of them blow up in the stables between now and the race). Justine Greening ought to have made the start but she has been so thoroughly house trained by the DfID I very much doubt she will get a look in (much to Morris Dancer's disappointment I am sure).

    Q: Are they going to advocate leaving the EC?
    A: No
    Therefore why would the 60% of members that want to leave the EC vote for them? Only 30% to 33% want to remain.
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    SR Have you seen the construction details of the contract...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346

    @Apocalypse

    Why do you concentrate on Osborne as being the next Conservative leader? Have a look at the alternatives - forget Boris and May they are the past - look at some of the youngsters coming through the pack. My money remains on the contest being between Liz Truss and Sajid Javid (assuming neither of them blow up in the stables between now and the race). Justine Greening ought to have made the start but she has been so thoroughly house trained by the DfID I very much doubt she will get a look in (much to Morris Dancer's disappointment I am sure).

    Q: Are they going to advocate leaving the EC?
    A: No
    Therefore why would the 60% of members that want to leave the EC vote for them? Only 30% to 33% want to remain.
    Tory voters are split down the middle. If Cameron does leave before the election history says either Osborne or Hammond will succeed him as the Tories in power always pick the Chancellor or Foreign Secretary otherwise Boris has the best poll ratings and would be the only other likely choice
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    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:



    Sorry, I thought you were a Labour supporter. The poll showed that while a majority of Corbyn supporters thought he'd make a good PM, there isn't a majority of Labour voters with the same opinion.

    I know that!
    So I wasn't accusing you of being a Corbyn supporter.
    I meant 'I know that' in relation to what the poll says. I'm on my phone so it's difficult to highlight stuff in bold to make things more clear.
    Yes, but in your reply to me you seemed to suggest I thought you were a Corbyn supporter. I never said that, nor did I imply it.

    I think your use of 'your' in relation to accusing me of supporting Labour does by default imply that I support Corbyn!
    Are you serious? You can support Labour without supporting Corbyn.
    I'm completely serious.
    So people who don't support Corbyn aren't Labour supporters? What about all the members who didn't vote for him in the election?
    Unspoofable, as some might say.
    Not necessarily, but what I've seen most of those who don't support Corbyn (including myself) no longer (or don't intend to) vote Labour.
    So you are saying those who live in Yvette Cooper's constituency will not vote for her because Corbyn is the leader ?

    No! You can live in Cooper's constituency and still support Corbyn's leadership.
    That wasn't surbiton's point. It's clear you are just trolling now.
    I'm not trolling, though I've just re-read the post though and I'm not sure what point he/she was making. PB has this odd habit of reading the completely wrong conclusions into things its the only site I've had this issue with.
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    Oh Jezbollah, never change.

    @tnewtondunn: EXCL: Jeremy Corbyn's fresh IRA controversy - agreed to talk at Sinn Fein's Labour conference fringe meeting; http://t.co/JuqlUhF6kp

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-34343685

    Stormont crisis: Theresa Villiers says talks have been 'useful and intensive'
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    JEO said:



    "I really believe that meat should be treated in exactly the same way as tobacco, with public campaigns to stop people eating it."
    -- Kerry McCarthy, prospective Minister for Agriculture

    I've been a vegetarian for nearly 24 years, since my 16th birthday :)

    Well you'll survive just a bit longer than the rest of us, come the revolution.

    Then only vegans will be left.
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    JEO said:



    "I really believe that meat should be treated in exactly the same way as tobacco, with public campaigns to stop people eating it."
    -- Kerry McCarthy, prospective Minister for Agriculture

    I've been a vegetarian for nearly 24 years, since my 16th birthday :)

    Well you'll survive just a bit longer than the rest of us, come the revolution.

    Then only vegans will be left.
    Yebbut Vega is 26 light years away!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346
    Corbyn may have a net negative rating but Labour are polling more than Foot or Brown got and level with Miliband. So while the average voter is hostile to him Corbyn voters are strongly behind him
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    john_zims said:

    @surbiton

    'Asylum applications per 1000 population:

    5.6 Sweden
    3.6 Germany
    0.5 UK

    Despite popular belief most people do not want to come to the UK.'


    You do come up with some rubbish.

    In 2014 UK accepted 14,605 asylum seekers more than 17 other EU countries combined.

    Changes in population during the past 20 years Germany - 0.5 million UK + 7 million.

    For some years the UK has been helping other nations to take migrants. We have taken several million EU migrants, leaving space in their countries to take up the flood invited in by Frau Merkel :)

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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Pity there wasn't a Mori question on where voters saw Corbyn.

    Soft left/Hard left/ Commie.. Toss up between hard left and Commie methinks
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.

    The numbers don't look great. Even amongst Labour supporters a majority don't say Corbyn would be better than Osborne.
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/09/the-huge-shock-coming-down-the-track-for-the-corbynites.html
    I recall that poll, however most polls previously - including one by MORI, show them pretty much neck and neck. That question also doesn't tell us much - just percentage figures from certain groups. It doesn't tell us don't knows, Osborne's own favourbility figures, or even how many people think Osborne would be a better PM than Corbyn.
    It tells us less than half of Labour voters think Corbyn would be a better PM than Osborne.
    Yes and as I said before it doesn't tell us the amount of DKs or figures for the reverse question.
    Will that change the fact that less than half your own supporters don't think he'd be good. Hard to imagine Corbyn changing his ways significantly enough to shift these figures. Of course, if the great purge goes ahead, then it's anyone's guess.
    I don't dispute that - but if it's a contest between terrible vs terrible then it makes it a contest of who is the least bad.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/22/how-did-george-osborne-failure-become-peoples-favourite

    Net approval +19. Not exactly terrible for our heir-to-a-baronetcy.
    That is specifically for his performance as Chancellor. As Brown found out, people accept a "competent" unlikeable person as Chancellor who can be seen but not heard, but as PM/leader you need to pass the "I'd like to have a drink with him" test.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,990
    GO JEZZA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    Pity there wasn't a Mori question on where voters saw Corbyn.

    Soft left/Hard left/ Commie.. Toss up between hard left and Commie methinks

    Corbyn's Labour is only slightly ahead of the Tories on the "extreme" question (and "Red Ed"'s Labour in April was behind the Tories on that question).
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited September 2015
    The Pope makes a speech to the great and good in the USA..and then goes to lunch with some homeless people...What a hypocrite..He continuously tells the poor people of the world to make more babies..the future poor and homeless..Never mind..he can always pop back onto his private jet and whisk away to one of his many palaces..along with his well fed team..
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346
    edited September 2015
    Danny565 said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    It's not that surprising Corbyn has scored a negative figure. Besides being a divisive figure, he has faced a barrage load of negative publicity - so his figures were hardly going to be great. Interesting though that VI isn't that bad for Labour and hasn't been in any non ComRes poll for the most part. What matters however is not how Corbyn compares with Cameron, but with Osborne.

    The numbers don't look great. Even amongst Labour supporters a majority don't say Corbyn would be better than Osborne.
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/09/the-huge-shock-coming-down-the-track-for-the-corbynites.html
    I recall that poll, however most polls previously - including one by MORI, show them pretty much neck and neck. That question also doesn't tell us much - just percentage figures from certain groups. It doesn't tell us don't knows, Osborne's own favourbility figures, or even how many people think Osborne would be a better PM than Corbyn.
    It tells us less than half of Labour voters think Corbyn would be a better PM than Osborne.
    Yes and as I said before it doesn't tell us the amount of DKs or figures for the reverse question.
    Will that change the fact that less than half your own supporters don't think he'd be good. Hard to imagine Corbyn changing his ways significantly enough to shift these figures. Of course, if the great purge goes ahead, then it's anyone's guess.
    I don't dispute that - but if it's a contest between terrible vs terrible then it makes it a contest of who is the least bad.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/22/how-did-george-osborne-failure-become-peoples-favourite

    Net approval +19. Not exactly terrible for our heir-to-a-baronetcy.
    That is specifically for his performance as Chancellor. As Brown found out, people accept a "competent" unlikeable person as Chancellor who can be seen but not heard, but as PM/leader you need to pass the "I'd like to have a drink with him" test.
    Not if your opponent is too extreme, which is why Nixon trounced McGovern, Thatcher Foot and Brown would have comfortably beaten Howard in 2005 despite none of the 3 really passing the likeability test, Thatcher at least had charisma the other two did not Corbyn does not even look like a strong charismatic leader either
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    HYUFD said:

    Corbyn may have a net negative rating but Labour are polling more than Foot or Brown got and level with Miliband. So while the average voter is hostile to him Corbyn voters are strongly behind him

    TBF, he is polling worse than they all were in the early weeks of their leadership (although all of them bar Brown inherited a better position, and the current polls are slightly better than they were this summer when the then-leadership were tripping over themselves to say how much they agreed with the Tories and abstaining on welfare cuts).
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,338
    surbiton said:

    Calling PB Business community:

    Those of you who are in the business of selling , particularly, to the manufacturing industry: how is your business doing in the last 3 months ? We have seen our order books recover last year and kind of peaking in Q1 but then started to fall. In Q3, it is looking like our total order book will be about 25% below end of March.

    From May onwards, it has been falling continuously.

    I have three businesses in various parts of the tech sector, and all of them are reporting record revenues and orders right now. However, I would note that there is zero China exposure, and lots of Continental Europe, so what was a hinderance in 2013 in a help now.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346
    edited September 2015
    Danny565 said:

    Pity there wasn't a Mori question on where voters saw Corbyn.

    Soft left/Hard left/ Commie.. Toss up between hard left and Commie methinks

    Corbyn's Labour is only slightly ahead of the Tories on the "extreme" question (and "Red Ed"'s Labour in April was behind the Tories on that question).
    Labour is 7 points ahead of the Tories on which party is more extreme
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    Lolz

    @BBCPeterH: Huge problems for UKIP members trying to get to conference - no taxis from Doncaster station because most drivers have the day off for Eid
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    @Apocalypse

    Why do you concentrate on Osborne as being the next Conservative leader? Have a look at the alternatives - forget Boris and May they are the past - look at some of the youngsters coming through the pack. My money remains on the contest being between Liz Truss and Sajid Javid (assuming neither of them blow up in the stables between now and the contest). Justine Greening ought to have made the start but she has been so thoroughly house trained by the DfID I very much doubt she will get a look in (much to Morris Dancer's disappointment I am sure).

    Liz Truss and Javid youngsters! In all seriousness I think Javid will only bid for the leadership if Osborbe doesn't and Truss doesn't appear to have that much of a base.
    I was thinking about this earlier. There are 330 MPs which means you need to get 111 on the last ballot of MPs to be sure of a place in the members' ballot. People seem to have forgotten about the Tory right when it comes to the leadership contest.

    How many are there now on the Right? There are maybe 40 hardcore right wingers and maybe another 50 who are sympathetic. So it is unlikely the candidate of the right (say Patterson) will win but they could still be influential. Suppose the last 4 candidates had votes as follows:

    Osborne - 101
    May - 90
    Boris - 84
    Patterson - 55

    So Patterson is eliminated. Now his voters could all switch to the most right wing candidate (maybe May) so she has a clear lead when it goes to the members. Or they could decide to get rid of the candidate they liked the last (say Osborne) and split their votes between the other 2 candidates to get rid of him.

    Each MP ballot is held on a different day which allows plenty of opportunities for tactical voting (as happened to Portillo in 2005)
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,097

    The Pope makes a speech to the great and good in the USA..and then goes to lunch with some homeless people...What a hypocrite..He continuously tells the poor people of the world to make more babies..the future poor and homeless..Never mind..he can always pop back onto his private jet and whisk away to one of his many palaces..along with his well fed team..

    This is such a classist comment. Plenty of good people came from poor families.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346

    The Pope makes a speech to the great and good in the USA..and then goes to lunch with some homeless people...What a hypocrite..He continuously tells the poor people of the world to make more babies..the future poor and homeless..Never mind..he can always pop back onto his private jet and whisk away to one of his many palaces..along with his well fed team..

    Rubbish. He is travelling in a Fiat he lives in a modest apartment and at night often leaves the Vatican to provide food and clothes for the homeless. He does far more for the poor than most world leaders and he is a Catholic not a communist
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,338

    rcs1000 said:

    Mr. Royale, Vanessa Redgrave's a moron.

    The most obvious points are that:
    1) We're a democracy
    2) The Arab Spring worked almost nowhere (maybe Tunisia)

    Still, if I could get more publicity when my next book comes out by saying something daft to get media coverage, I might well [though I'd prefer something witty and insightful].

    It's interesting though, isn't it?

    One can easily waltz through life believing everyone involved in the creative arts is a Lefty luvvie.

    But both you and SeanT are successful publishing authors, and Marquee Mark is a big hitter involved in film production.

    None of you are left-wing at all.
    SeanT voted LibDem in 2010.
    But that was tactical - the Conservatives couldn't unseat Labour where he lived.
    Nah, he's a secret lefty. It's like with closet homosexuals getting all macho to hide their gay-ness.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Danny565 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Corbyn may have a net negative rating but Labour are polling more than Foot or Brown got and level with Miliband. So while the average voter is hostile to him Corbyn voters are strongly behind him

    TBF, he is polling worse than they all were in the early weeks of their leadership (although all of them bar Brown inherited a better position, and the current polls are slightly better than they were this summer when the then-leadership were tripping over themselves to say how much they agreed with the Tories and abstaining on welfare cuts).
    A lot of historical things Corbyn had said or done is being played like a broken record. It has not had as big an impact as I thought it might. The more the Tories and their hanger-on's keep repeating, the more familiar it will become.

    I do not think Anti-austerity will be unpopular. No matter who brings up what poll, there is a large constituency in the country who vote and also currently, do not vote, who have suffered real decreases in income.

    No one would have believed Syriza [ the equivalent of Communists ] would win twice in nine months, two years ago !

    China, strong pound ... lots of indicators are not going the right way.
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    EPG.. I know..I am one of them..what we don't need is someone who lives like a billionaire telling the poor people around the world to have more babies.. to be born into extreme poverty and starvation..and he wraps the message around religion.. so they obey him...it is total hypocrisy..
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346
    Danny565 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Corbyn may have a net negative rating but Labour are polling more than Foot or Brown got and level with Miliband. So while the average voter is hostile to him Corbyn voters are strongly behind him

    TBF, he is polling worse than they all were in the early weeks of their leadership (although all of them bar Brown inherited a better position, and the current polls are slightly better than they were this summer when the then-leadership were tripping over themselves to say how much they agreed with the Tories and abstaining on welfare cuts).
    Unlike Foot he does not have the SDP to deal with and unlike Brown he is not a fag end PM producing a recession so Labour will likely stay around 30%
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    GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,009
    edited September 2015
    China is not all bad news. The devaluations of the Yuan should bring deflationary pressures and along with wage rises, help to ease the cost of living crisis.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    JEO said:



    "I really believe that meat should be treated in exactly the same way as tobacco, with public campaigns to stop people eating it."
    -- Kerry McCarthy, prospective Minister for Agriculture

    I've been a vegetarian for nearly 24 years, since my 16th birthday :)

    Well you'll survive just a bit longer than the rest of us, come the revolution.

    Then only vegans will be left.
    Yebbut Vega is 26 light years away!
    Jodie Foster made it there !
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    HYUFD.I do hope you are joking..and lots of people drive around in Fiats..including myself.
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited September 2015

    @Apocalypse

    Why do you concentrate on Osborne as being the next Conservative leader? Have a look at the alternatives - forget Boris and May they are the past - look at some of the youngsters coming through the pack. My money remains on the contest being between Liz Truss and Sajid Javid (assuming neither of them blow up in the stables between now and the contest). Justine Greening ought to have made the start but she has been so thoroughly house trained by the DfID I very much doubt she will get a look in (much to Morris Dancer's disappointment I am sure).

    Liz Truss and Javid youngsters! In all seriousness I think Javid will only bid for the leadership if Osborbe doesn't and Truss doesn't appear to have that much of a base.
    I was thinking about this earlier. There are 330 MPs which means you need to get 111 on the last ballot of MPs to be sure of a place in the members' ballot. People seem to have forgotten about the Tory right when it comes to the leadership contest.

    How many are there now on the Right? There are maybe 40 hardcore right wingers and maybe another 50 who are sympathetic. So it is unlikely the candidate of the right (say Patterson) will win but they could still be influential. ...
    I would put the hardline Leave as 90+ Almost that number of backbenchers voted in previous 2010 HoC agst Cameron for referendum. I guess the BTL mp's about to be hit by Osborne is 30%+ These will be anti-Osborne. Then there are the approx 1/3 to 1/2 anti Cameron/Osborne due to being overlooked. Some of these three groups are the same but not all. The anti-osborne goup could easily be 2/3 of the MPs. As Portillo found out....
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    TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,662

    The Pope makes a speech to the great and good in the USA..and then goes to lunch with some homeless people...What a hypocrite..He continuously tells the poor people of the world to make more babies..the future poor and homeless..Never mind..he can always pop back onto his private jet and whisk away to one of his many palaces..along with his well fed team..

    And as for his comments on capital punishment... he must have a great sense of irony!
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    @Apocalypse

    Why do you concentrate on Osborne as being the next Conservative leader? Have a look at the alternatives - forget Boris and May they are the past - look at some of the youngsters coming through the pack. My money remains on the contest being between Liz Truss and Sajid Javid (assuming neither of them blow up in the stables between now and the contest). Justine Greening ought to have made the start but she has been so thoroughly house trained by the DfID I very much doubt she will get a look in (much to Morris Dancer's disappointment I am sure).

    Liz Truss and Javid youngsters! In all seriousness I think Javid will only bid for the leadership if Osborbe doesn't and Truss doesn't appear to have that much of a base.
    I was thinking about this earlier. There are 330 MPs which means you need to get 111 on the last ballot of MPs to be sure of a place in the members' ballot. People seem to have forgotten about the Tory right when it comes to the leadership contest.

    How many are there now on the Right? There are maybe 40 hardcore right wingers and maybe another 50 who are sympathetic. So it is unlikely the candidate of the right (say Patterson) will win but they could still be influential. Suppose the last 4 candidates had votes as follows:

    Osborne - 101
    May - 90
    Boris - 84
    Patterson - 55

    So Patterson is eliminated. Now his voters could all switch to the most right wing candidate (maybe May) so she has a clear lead when it goes to the members. Or they could decide to get rid of the candidate they liked the last (say Osborne) and split their votes between the other 2 candidates to get rid of him.

    Each MP ballot is held on a different day which allows plenty of opportunities for tactical voting (as happened to Portillo in 2005)
    I wonder if David Davis will stand again?
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited September 2015

    Mr. Royale, kind of you to say so, but at the moment I'm very much Japan compared to the All Blacks. [Hoping next year, with a potential (and ridiculous) 5 books will mark a change in my fortunes].

    I do agree that it can often seem writers and the like are lefties to a man, but it isn't the case. As for being a luvvie, I'm a grizzled Yorkshireman.

    Of course, if anyone wants to dip their toe in the water before the (possible) flood of books next year, do check them out:
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Thaddeus-White/e/B008C6RU98/

    F1: got a message back from Ladbrokes, which surprised me, about the Merhi bet. Politely asked for the bet to be corrected (ie counted as a win), and will let people know how that turns out.

    Do you do the writing full-time now Mr Dancer?

    Am looking to get some stuff (likely self-)published myself at some point - boring stuff, "how to" guides essentially - and it looks like the market has changed quite radically with the rise of the e-book in the 8 years or so that I've been thinking about said project!
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Lolz

    @BBCPeterH: Huge problems for UKIP members trying to get to conference - no taxis from Doncaster station because most drivers have the day off for Eid

    Emergency resolution: Send all taxi drivers to Pakistan !
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    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Mr. Royale, Vanessa Redgrave's a moron.

    The most obvious points are that:
    1) We're a democracy
    2) The Arab Spring worked almost nowhere (maybe Tunisia)

    Still, if I could get more publicity when my next book comes out by saying something daft to get media coverage, I might well [though I'd prefer something witty and insightful].

    It's interesting though, isn't it?

    One can easily waltz through life believing everyone involved in the creative arts is a Lefty luvvie.

    But both you and SeanT are successful publishing authors, and Marquee Mark is a big hitter involved in film production.

    None of you are left-wing at all.
    SeanT voted LibDem in 2010.
    But that was tactical - the Conservatives couldn't unseat Labour where he lived.
    Nah, he's a secret lefty. It's like with closet homosexuals getting all macho to hide their gay-ness.
    I agree with Jonathan downthread that he's certainly a luvvie!
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited September 2015
    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    Calling PB Business community:

    Those of you who are in the business of selling , particularly, to the manufacturing industry: how is your business doing in the last 3 months ? We have seen our order books recover last year and kind of peaking in Q1 but then started to fall. In Q3, it is looking like our total order book will be about 25% below end of March.

    From May onwards, it has been falling continuously.

    I have three businesses in various parts of the tech sector, and all of them are reporting record revenues and orders right now. However, I would note that there is zero China exposure, and lots of Continental Europe, so what was a hinderance in 2013 in a help now.
    By tech sector, do you mean software ? We use software in our products but they are sold entirely, directly or indirectly, to the manufacturing sector.

    I think most people do not know this. British manufacturing is still 5% below the peak. I am not talking about the GDP as a whole, just manufacturing,
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346
    edited September 2015

    HYUFD.I do hope you are joking..and lots of people drive around in Fiats..including myself.

    HYUFD.I do hope you are joking..and lots of people drive around in Fiats..including myself.

    What billionaire travels in a Fiat and lives in one modest apartment and wears the same cassock like the Pope. Your comments are total rubbish. He is reforming the Church and as far as I see makes more comments about tolerance, climate change and poverty than baby making though some nations like Germany and Italy and South Korea could do with more babies. As leader of a billion Catholics he lives far more modestly than he could
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,338
    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    Calling PB Business community:

    Those of you who are in the business of selling , particularly, to the manufacturing industry: how is your business doing in the last 3 months ? We have seen our order books recover last year and kind of peaking in Q1 but then started to fall. In Q3, it is looking like our total order book will be about 25% below end of March.

    From May onwards, it has been falling continuously.

    I have three businesses in various parts of the tech sector, and all of them are reporting record revenues and orders right now. However, I would note that there is zero China exposure, and lots of Continental Europe, so what was a hinderance in 2013 in a help now.
    By tech sector, do you mean software ? We use software in our products but they are sold entirely, directly or indirectly, to the manufacturing sector.
    One data provider to the gambling industry. (Sales up 20% yoy)
    One PaaS provider to companies worldwide. (Sales up 100% yoy)
    One crowdsourced sports data company. (Sales up 10x, but from a tiny base, so not fair to compare, really...)
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    EPG said:

    runnymede said:

    I presume we must assume the 37% who think Corbyn 'patriotic' are either living in a parallel universe or (more likely) don't actually know who he is.

    I think Jezza is patriotic.
    I don't think he is. But there is nothing wrong with not being patriotic, at least at a time when invasion is unimaginable.
    To me, not being patriotic is like not loving your parents.
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    EPG said:

    runnymede said:

    I presume we must assume the 37% who think Corbyn 'patriotic' are either living in a parallel universe or (more likely) don't actually know who he is.

    I think Jezza is patriotic.
    I don't think he is. But there is nothing wrong with not being patriotic, at least at a time when invasion is unimaginable.
    To me, not being patriotic is like not loving your parents.
    And as with our parents, we don't get to choose our country.
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    saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    edited September 2015
    HYUFD said:

    The Pope makes a speech to the great and good in the USA..and then goes to lunch with some homeless people...What a hypocrite..He continuously tells the poor people of the world to make more babies..the future poor and homeless..Never mind..he can always pop back onto his private jet and whisk away to one of his many palaces..along with his well fed team..

    Rubbish. He is travelling in a Fiat he lives in a modest apartment and at night often leaves the Vatican to provide food and clothes for the homeless. He does far more for the poor than most world leaders and he is a Catholic not a communist
    Perhaps I'd be more impressed if he liquidated some of the church's massive assets and used them to really help the poor.
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    HYUFD said:

    @Apocalypse

    Why do you concentrate on Osborne as being the next Conservative leader? Have a look at the alternatives - forget Boris and May they are the past - look at some of the youngsters coming through the pack. My money remains on the contest being between Liz Truss and Sajid Javid (assuming neither of them blow up in the stables between now and the race). Justine Greening ought to have made the start but she has been so thoroughly house trained by the DfID I very much doubt she will get a look in (much to Morris Dancer's disappointment I am sure).

    Q: Are they going to advocate leaving the EC?
    A: No
    Therefore why would the 60% of members that want to leave the EC vote for them? Only 30% to 33% want to remain.
    Tory voters are split down the middle. If Cameron does leave before the election history says either Osborne or Hammond will succeed him as the Tories in power always pick the Chancellor or Foreign Secretary otherwise Boris has the best poll ratings and would be the only other likely choice
    Those earlier Leadership selections were just by the MPs. In every member selection the starting favourite has lost. On the EC Members are not split down the middle its 60/30 and 10 dont know.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited September 2015

    EPG said:

    runnymede said:

    I presume we must assume the 37% who think Corbyn 'patriotic' are either living in a parallel universe or (more likely) don't actually know who he is.

    I think Jezza is patriotic.
    I don't think he is. But there is nothing wrong with not being patriotic, at least at a time when invasion is unimaginable.
    To me, not being patriotic is like not loving your parents.
    Why does not singing the national anthem make you unpatriotic, in your view?

    I think of myself as patriotic, but I can't say the British/English flags make me feel any emotions (either positive or negative), nor does the anthem. For me, loving the country means loving and being proud of us as a people and our ways (which I do).
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346
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    saddened said:

    surbiton said:

    Calling PB Business community:

    Those of you who are in the business of selling , particularly, to the manufacturing industry: how is your business doing in the last 3 months ? We have seen our order books recover last year and kind of peaking in Q1 but then started to fall. In Q3, it is looking like our total order book will be about 25% below end of March.

    From May onwards, it has been falling continuously.

    HYUFD said:

    The Pope makes a speech to the great and good in the USA..and then goes to lunch with some homeless people...What a hypocrite..He continuously tells the poor people of the world to make more babies..the future poor and homeless..Never mind..he can always pop back onto his private jet and whisk away to one of his many palaces..along with his well fed team..

    Rubbish. He is travelling in a Fiat he lives in a modest apartment and at night often leaves the Vatican to provide food and clothes for the homeless. He does far more for the poor than most world leaders and he is a Catholic not a communist
    Perhaps I'd be more impressed if he liquidated some of the church's massive assets and used them to really help the poor.
    Corbynism will not help the Poor most of those assets include Churches running food banks and homeless hostels, Church hospitals and charities and Schools and universities which actually do make a practical difference
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited September 2015
    HYFUD I guess lots of people could suffer living in a modest apartment in the Vatican..having all his meals Cooked..utilities paid..clothes laundered..a driver..security guards..lotsa them..If the Chinese want more babies it is entirely up to them and they will provide for them. But good old Popey is telling his followers..most of whom are at extreme poverty levels already..particularly in South American countries..to have more kids, that they cannot possibly feed or educate and in lots of cases..provide a home..Meanwhile Popey does some cheapshit PR number by slinging a few bags of food out of his car in downtown Rome. Then back to his dreary little bedsit for his five course supper.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited September 2015
    HYUFD said:

    Corbyn may have a net negative rating but Labour are polling more than Foot or Brown got and level with Miliband. So while the average voter is hostile to him Corbyn voters are strongly behind him

    Real vote outcomes and Labour opinion poll numbers are different things.

    The popular left - Labour, except 2010 - always do worse in reality than their poll numbers.

    Miliband was polling 34-35 hours before he actually got 31.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346
    surbiton said:

    Danny565 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Corbyn may have a net negative rating but Labour are polling more than Foot or Brown got and level with Miliband. So while the average voter is hostile to him Corbyn voters are strongly behind him

    TBF, he is polling worse than they all were in the early weeks of their leadership (although all of them bar Brown inherited a better position, and the current polls are slightly better than they were this summer when the then-leadership were tripping over themselves to say how much they agreed with the Tories and abstaining on welfare cuts).
    A lot of historical things Corbyn had said or done is being played like a broken record. It has not had as big an impact as I thought it might. The more the Tories and their hanger-on's keep repeating, the more familiar it will become.

    I do not think Anti-austerity will be unpopular. No matter who brings up what poll, there is a large constituency in the country who vote and also currently, do not vote, who have suffered real decreases in income.

    No one would have believed Syriza [ the equivalent of Communists ] would win twice in nine months, two years ago !

    China, strong pound ... lots of indicators are not going the right way.
    Syriza only won in a depression with a very charismatic leader neither of which apply to the Uk or Corbyn and Syriza had had to move to the centre anyway
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,026
    saddened said:



    HYUFD said:

    The Pope makes a speech to the great and good in the USA..and then goes to lunch with some homeless people...What a hypocrite..He continuously tells the poor people of the world to make more babies..the future poor and homeless..Never mind..he can always pop back onto his private jet and whisk away to one of his many palaces..along with his well fed team..

    Rubbish. He is travelling in a Fiat he lives in a modest apartment and at night often leaves the Vatican to provide food and clothes for the homeless. He does far more for the poor than most world leaders and he is a Catholic not a communist
    Perhaps I'd be more impressed if he liquidated some of the church's massive assets and used them to really help the poor.
    His Church provides very considerable social services.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346

    HYUFD said:

    @Apocalypse

    Why do you concentrate on Osborne as being the next Conservative leader? Have a look at the alternatives - forget Boris and May they are the past - look at some of the youngsters coming through the pack. My money remains on the contest being between Liz Truss and Sajid Javid (assuming neither of them blow up in the stables between now and the race). Justine Greening ought to have made the start but she has been so thoroughly house trained by the DfID I very much doubt she will get a look in (much to Morris Dancer's disappointment I am sure).

    Q: Are they going to advocate leaving the EC?
    A: No
    Therefore why would the 60% of members that want to leave the EC vote for them? Only 30% to 33% want to remain.
    Tory voters are split down the middle. If Cameron does leave before the election history says either Osborne or Hammond will succeed him as the Tories in power always pick the Chancellor or Foreign Secretary otherwise Boris has the best poll ratings and would be the only other likely choice
    Those earlier Leadership selections were just by the MPs. In every member selection the starting favourite has lost. On the EC Members are not split down the middle its 60/30 and 10 dont know.
    Wrong as Portillo was favourite in 2001 and MPs rejected him not members. Members would have voted for Major over Heseltine and for Macmillan and Eden
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    Calling PB Business community:

    Those of you who are in the business of selling , particularly, to the manufacturing industry: how is your business doing in the last 3 months ? We have seen our order books recover last year and kind of peaking in Q1 but then started to fall. In Q3, it is looking like our total order book will be about 25% below end of March.

    From May onwards, it has been falling continuously.

    I have three businesses in various parts of the tech sector, and all of them are reporting record revenues and orders right now. However, I would note that there is zero China exposure, and lots of Continental Europe, so what was a hinderance in 2013 in a help now.
    By tech sector, do you mean software ? We use software in our products but they are sold entirely, directly or indirectly, to the manufacturing sector.
    One data provider to the gambling industry. (Sales up 20% yoy)
    One PaaS provider to companies worldwide. (Sales up 100% yoy)
    One crowdsourced sports data company. (Sales up 10x, but from a tiny base, so not fair to compare, really...)
    So, we are not comparing like for like. M y clients are people who use machines to make products or make the machine themselves. Of course, software and networks are also involved so that the machines can communicate with the PLC
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    Danny565 said:

    EPG said:

    runnymede said:

    I presume we must assume the 37% who think Corbyn 'patriotic' are either living in a parallel universe or (more likely) don't actually know who he is.

    I think Jezza is patriotic.
    I don't think he is. But there is nothing wrong with not being patriotic, at least at a time when invasion is unimaginable.
    To me, not being patriotic is like not loving your parents.
    Why does not singing the national anthem make you unpatriotic, in your view?

    I think of myself as patriotic, but I can't say the British/English flags make me feel any emotions (either positive or negative), nor does the anthem. For me, loving the country means loving and being proud of us as a people and our ways (which I do).
    The anthem non-signing was a values-signal, if you will.

    I don't think there's anything in Jeremy Corbyn's past or present that suggests any affection for this country or pride in its people.

    He's just interested in advancing international socialism, and this country happens to be where he was born and raised, so is the most practical platform for him to do it.
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    EPG said:

    runnymede said:

    I presume we must assume the 37% who think Corbyn 'patriotic' are either living in a parallel universe or (more likely) don't actually know who he is.

    I think Jezza is patriotic.
    I don't think he is. But there is nothing wrong with not being patriotic, at least at a time when invasion is unimaginable.
    To me, not being patriotic is like not loving your parents.
    And as with our parents, we don't get to choose our country.
    This is, I think, precisely the strength of the analogy.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,026

    HYFUD I guess lots of people could suffer living in a modest apartment in the Vatican..having all his meals Cooked..utilities paid..clothes laundered..a driver..security guards..lotsa them..If the Chinese want more babies it is entirely up to them and they will provide for them. But good old Popey is telling is followers..most of whom are at extreme poverty levels already..particularly in South American countries..to have more kids, that they cannot possibly feed or educate and in lots of cases..provide a home..Meanwhile Popey does some cheapshit PR number by slinging a few bags of food out of his car in downtown Rome. Then back to his dreary little bedsit for his five course supper.

    Baby making is sensible in very poor countries with very high death rates. That way, people can ensure there will be children to look after them in old age. Also, it enables the society to recover rapidly from the effects of war and natural disaster. As a country gets richer, so the birthrate naturally falls. It's not the falling birthrate that causes the country to get richer.

    Baby making is also sensible in rich country's where the total fertility rate has fallen well below replacement level.
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    EPG said:

    runnymede said:

    I presume we must assume the 37% who think Corbyn 'patriotic' are either living in a parallel universe or (more likely) don't actually know who he is.

    I think Jezza is patriotic.
    I don't think he is. But there is nothing wrong with not being patriotic, at least at a time when invasion is unimaginable.
    To me, not being patriotic is like not loving your parents.
    And as with our parents, we don't get to choose our country.
    This is, I think, precisely the strength of the analogy.
    And precisely the reason why we have no moral obligation in either case.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,209
    Sean_F said:

    HYFUD I guess lots of people could suffer living in a modest apartment in the Vatican..having all his meals Cooked..utilities paid..clothes laundered..a driver..security guards..lotsa them..If the Chinese want more babies it is entirely up to them and they will provide for them. But good old Popey is telling is followers..most of whom are at extreme poverty levels already..particularly in South American countries..to have more kids, that they cannot possibly feed or educate and in lots of cases..provide a home..Meanwhile Popey does some cheapshit PR number by slinging a few bags of food out of his car in downtown Rome. Then back to his dreary little bedsit for his five course supper.

    Baby making is sensible in very poor countries with very high death rates. That way, people can ensure there will be children to look after them in old age.
    How to make a kid feel wanted. "We only had you so you can look after us when we are doubly incontinent...."

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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Pulpstar said:

    The Conservatives have Osborne, Javid, Hammond, May - they might not be everyone's cup of tea but they'll all tonk Corbyn on the PM question.

    Plus a decent reserve team (Jeremy Hunt etc). Of course there's Boris as well, but I think he's unlikely.

    There's also one name which never gets mentioned and as far as I know is not offered by any bookie, but should be. And I'm not talking about some obscure backbencher, either.
    JohnO?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,338
    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    Calling PB Business community:

    Those of you who are in the business of selling , particularly, to the manufacturing industry: how is your business doing in the last 3 months ? We have seen our order books recover last year and kind of peaking in Q1 but then started to fall. In Q3, it is looking like our total order book will be about 25% below end of March.

    From May onwards, it has been falling continuously.

    I have three businesses in various parts of the tech sector, and all of them are reporting record revenues and orders right now. However, I would note that there is zero China exposure, and lots of Continental Europe, so what was a hinderance in 2013 in a help now.
    By tech sector, do you mean software ? We use software in our products but they are sold entirely, directly or indirectly, to the manufacturing sector.
    One data provider to the gambling industry. (Sales up 20% yoy)
    One PaaS provider to companies worldwide. (Sales up 100% yoy)
    One crowdsourced sports data company. (Sales up 10x, but from a tiny base, so not fair to compare, really...)
    So, we are not comparing like for like. M y clients are people who use machines to make products or make the machine themselves. Of course, software and networks are also involved so that the machines can communicate with the PLC
    No, not like-with-like.

    I think capital goods is going to be a very difficult space for the next 18 months, because Chinese Gross Capital Formation (aka investment) is going to go from super-normal levels to sub-normal levels.

    It's the natural stocking-destocking, investment-consolidation, cycle. And it just happens that China (and Canada and Australia) haven't had a proper recession in a quarter century.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,026

    EPG said:

    runnymede said:

    I presume we must assume the 37% who think Corbyn 'patriotic' are either living in a parallel universe or (more likely) don't actually know who he is.

    I think Jezza is patriotic.
    I don't think he is. But there is nothing wrong with not being patriotic, at least at a time when invasion is unimaginable.
    To me, not being patriotic is like not loving your parents.
    And as with our parents, we don't get to choose our country.
    This is, I think, precisely the strength of the analogy.
    And precisely the reason why we have no moral obligation in either case.
    That's an interesting philosophy.
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