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FPT: Mr. kle4, there'll be some. People have bizarre fetishes [weirdest I ever heard of was a blinking fetish].

Disgrace that someone overtly proposing ethnic quotas in the workplace will aspire to be London mayor on Labour's behalf. It's sheer racism to literally discriminate based on skin colour.

Congrats on your win, Mr. Eagles, and thanks to Mr. Manson for his wise tip, which I foolishly did not follow [not sure if I saw it, to be fair].

Paging Shadsy !!

@faisalislam: Corbyn planning Ken Livingstone for tooting? If Khan wins...

fpt

What do the Tories want to do about Corbyn? If he is so terrible for Labour wouldn't it be better that he stayed there? Tim Montgomerie thinks this is a chance to knock Labour off their morally superior perch. Perhaps, but that in itself is rather revealing.

10 years ago when Cameron first came along it was all about how the Tories cared too and had no less of a moral conscience than Labour did, they just disagreed on means. It would appear they've given up on that and Osborne seems entirely comfortable in his ruthlessly cynical skin. It must grate them though to have to deal with Labour's sanctimony when the reality in their minds is that Labour is just as much in the moral gutter as they are. They're just two sides of the same opportunist coin who've chosen different paths.

Montgomerie reckons politics could be about to get ugly. That has its downsides but parliamentary democracy is supposed to represent the broad views of the electorate. If the nation starts washing its dirty laundry in the House of Commons it might at least be rather more honest than the phoney civility of the 'right honourable member.'

The time is ripe for a charismatic, pro-Heathrow independent.

''Disgrace that someone overtly proposing ethnic quotas in the workplace will aspire to be London mayor on Labour's behalf. It's sheer racism to literally discriminate based on skin colour.''

Whether he will win or not I don;t know, but Khan will be an extremely divisive candidate.

Scott_P said:

Paging Shadsy !!

@faisalislam: Corbyn planning Ken Livingstone for tooting? If Khan wins...

Tory gain nailed on, if true.

Morris_Dancer said:

FPT: Mr. kle4, there'll be some. People have bizarre fetishes [weirdest I ever heard of was a blinking fetish].

Disgrace that someone overtly proposing ethnic quotas in the workplace will aspire to be London mayor on Labour's behalf. It's sheer racism to literally discriminate based on skin colour.

Congrats on your win, Mr. Eagles, and thanks to Mr. Manson for his wise tip, which I foolishly did not follow [not sure if I saw it, to be fair].

Did you notice my subtle Star Trek reference?

'This will earn me the wrath of Khan'

God bless you sir, god bless you.

If you want to know another example of Labour's problem's it's that Abbott got through to the fourth round, whilst Wolmar got knocked out in the second.

Corbyn on Betfair down to 1.07, on present trends it'll be a minus figure soon

Danny565 said:

Scott_P said:

Paging Shadsy !!

@faisalislam: Corbyn planning Ken Livingstone for tooting? If Khan wins...

Does he have to stand down as an MP just for being the nominee, or is that only if he's elected Mayor?

A Tooting by-election could be tricky with the way Battersea and Putney are trending...

Given Ken's example in Brent, he doesn't even need to stand down as an MP if he wins (although I think that he almost certainly would). Same goes for Zac in Richmond Park of course. Would therefore be expecting a London by-election in one of them in June of next year.

''I cannot believe Labour are doing this.. at one time they were always a serious contender and a serious Party..now they are not.. ''

It's like a political form of suicide chess

Mr. Surbiton, two points: I'm not a Conservative. I posted that ethnic quotas/discriminating based on skin colour is wrong. Please explain the basis of your attack on me.

Mr. Eagles, sadly, I did notice.

richardDodd said:

I cannot believe Labour are doing this.. at one time they were always a serious contender and a serious Party..now they are not..

They still have Wales.

I love you TSE. So comfortingly predictable! Great news on Khan.

FrankBooth said:

fpt

What do the Tories want to do about Corbyn? If he is so terrible for Labour wouldn't it be better that he stayed there? Tim Montgomerie thinks this is a chance to knock Labour off their morally superior perch. Perhaps, but that in itself is rather revealing.

10 years ago when Cameron first came along it was all about how the Tories cared too and had no less of a moral conscience than Labour did, they just disagreed on means. It would appear they've given up on that and Osborne seems entirely comfortable in his ruthlessly cynical skin. It must grate them though to have to deal with Labour's sanctimony when the reality in their minds is that Labour is just as much in the moral gutter as they are. They're just two sides of the same opportunist coin who've chosen different paths.

Montgomerie reckons politics could be about to get ugly. That has its downsides but parliamentary democracy is supposed to represent the broad views of the electorate. If the nation starts washing its dirty laundry in the House of Commons it might at least be rather more honest than the phoney civility of the 'right honourable member.'

Surely after an initial flurry, the Tories will wait a bit until he's purged the remaining Blairites and made the changes he talked about - such as having the membership choose the shad cabinet and key policies?

Then they'll go hard for him, knowing that the replacement is more likely to be another unelectable trot rather than say Dan Jarvis.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Also a big shout out to Tissue Price who tipped Zac Goldsmith at 22/1

But am I a better tipper than Henry? There's only one way to find out... FIGHT!

Just think within a few years we could have a Muslim leading London and another Muslim leading the country and the Tories.

FrankBooth said:

fpt

What do the Tories want to do about Corbyn? If he is so terrible for Labour wouldn't it be better that he stayed there? Tim Montgomerie thinks this is a chance to knock Labour off their morally superior perch. Perhaps, but that in itself is rather revealing.

10 years ago when Cameron first came along it was all about how the Tories cared too and had no less of a moral conscience than Labour did, they just disagreed on means. It would appear they've given up on that and Osborne seems entirely comfortable in his ruthlessly cynical skin. It must grate them though to have to deal with Labour's sanctimony when the reality in their minds is that Labour is just as much in the moral gutter as they are. They're just two sides of the same opportunist coin who've chosen different paths.

Montgomerie reckons politics could be about to get ugly. That has its downsides but parliamentary democracy is supposed to represent the broad views of the electorate. If the nation starts washing its dirty laundry in the House of Commons it might at least be rather more honest than the phoney civility of the 'right honourable member.'

You are so far off the mark with Osborne. I was referred to this on here yesterday and it is a really interesting piece: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2015/09/ascent-submarine-george-osborne-talks-jason-cowley

As you would expect given that it is the New Statesman it is not uncritical but his determination to dominate the centre ground and his easy acceptance of a positive roll for the State shows what problems Labour have. And that is before they elect an intellectual muppet.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Also a big shout out to Tissue Price who tipped Zac Goldsmith at 22/1

Agreed - and mea culpa, I poo pooed it at the time (though tbf, that was before the Labour party decided to commit collective hari kari).

I often wondered whether a tory tactic might be to paint labour as the party of choice for the muslim radical.

Labour themselves have now saved everybody the trouble.

@ShippersUnbound: So the pollsters are currently 0-2 on major elections this year. Can Corbyn save them?

https://twitter.com/theobertram/status/642304960785424384

Captain Kirk realises that his bet of the entire starship Enterprise on a Jowel win has just been lost.

http://youtu.be/wRnSnfiUI54

Mr. Nashe, pooh-poohed. I hope

Mr Eagles, Patel? Or Javid[sp]?

Mr. Surbiton, you appeared to post that I was playing an anti-Muslim card. Kindly explain or retract.

DavidL said:

FrankBooth said:

fpt

What do the Tories want to do about Corbyn? If he is so terrible for Labour wouldn't it be better that he stayed there? Tim Montgomerie thinks this is a chance to knock Labour off their morally superior perch. Perhaps, but that in itself is rather revealing.

10 years ago when Cameron first came along it was all about how the Tories cared too and had no less of a moral conscience than Labour did, they just disagreed on means. It would appear they've given up on that and Osborne seems entirely comfortable in his ruthlessly cynical skin. It must grate them though to have to deal with Labour's sanctimony when the reality in their minds is that Labour is just as much in the moral gutter as they are. They're just two sides of the same opportunist coin who've chosen different paths.

Montgomerie reckons politics could be about to get ugly. That has its downsides but parliamentary democracy is supposed to represent the broad views of the electorate. If the nation starts washing its dirty laundry in the House of Commons it might at least be rather more honest than the phoney civility of the 'right honourable member.'

You are so far off the mark with Osborne. I was referred to this on here yesterday and it is a really interesting piece: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2015/09/ascent-submarine-george-osborne-talks-jason-cowley

As you would expect given that it is the New Statesman it is not uncritical but his determination to dominate the centre ground and his easy acceptance of a positive roll for the State shows what problems Labour have. And that is before they elect an intellectual muppet.

hoorar for me!

Scott_P said:

@ShippersUnbound: So the pollsters are currently 0-2 on major elections this year. Can Corbyn save them?

There was no poll of London Labour members for mayoral candidate only voters as a whole though on this evidence yougov got Corbyn's Labour leadership victory right which is why they did not release another poll

DavidL said:

FrankBooth said:

fpt

What do the Tories want to do about Corbyn? If he is so terrible for Labour wouldn't it be better that he stayed there? Tim Montgomerie thinks this is a chance to knock Labour off their morally superior perch. Perhaps, but that in itself is rather revealing.

10 years ago when Cameron first came along it was all about how the Tories cared too and had no less of a moral conscience than Labour did, they just disagreed on means. It would appear they've given up on that and Osborne seems entirely comfortable in his ruthlessly cynical skin. It must grate them though to have to deal with Labour's sanctimony when the reality in their minds is that Labour is just as much in the moral gutter as they are. They're just two sides of the same opportunist coin who've chosen different paths.

Montgomerie reckons politics could be about to get ugly. That has its downsides but parliamentary democracy is supposed to represent the broad views of the electorate. If the nation starts washing its dirty laundry in the House of Commons it might at least be rather more honest than the phoney civility of the 'right honourable member.'

You are so far off the mark with Osborne. I was referred to this on here yesterday and it is a really interesting piece: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2015/09/ascent-submarine-george-osborne-talks-jason-cowley

As you would expect given that it is the New Statesman it is not uncritical but his determination to dominate the centre ground and his easy acceptance of a positive roll for the State shows what problems Labour have. And that is before they elect an intellectual muppet.

Come on, NOBODY outside the Westminster bubble thinks Osborne is "centrist"!

The public perception of him is that he's a typical Tory only interested in the rich (moreso than Cameron who imo people think he atleast attempts to understand poorer people), but that atleast he's competent and has a clear sense of where he's going.

''This is going to be one helluva election campaign.''

Whilst I don;t like Monty much myself, Plato I think in this case he is correct. Politics is going to get very ugly.

I'll now be seriously surprised if Corbyn doesn't win this on the first round. 50% plus one must be nailed on, surely?

david_herdson said:

richardDodd said:

I cannot believe Labour are doing this.. at one time they were always a serious contender and a serious Party..now they are not..

They still have Wales.

In fairness, Carwyn Jones is light years away from the alternative universe that appears to be going on in the rest of Labour in the UK and London in particular. I claim no inside knowledge at other than personal circles, but I suspect much of traditional Valleys Labour is simply aghast at present.

Apparently David Cameron insulted Yorkshire.

Anyone got a link to signing up to UKIP?

Mr. Surbiton, you quoted a post I made and responded to it thus:
"I can see the Tories will play the anti-Muslim card !"

Still, if you're content that you don't think I'm doing that, quite happy to let matters rest there.

Mr. Eagles, you're a member of Lancashire Cricket Club. Motes and beams.

SeanT said:

Corbyn NAILED on.

The political dictionary requires a new word for what Labour are doing to themselves. This is far beyond the mild Tory madness of IDS.

Has any serious Western party, from Europe to North America to Australasia, spazzed out the way Labour are spazzing out now?

The Swedish Social Democrats are doing their best to court oblivion with their migration policy.

This is how stupid Labour really are:

George Foulkes ‏@GeorgeFoulkes 5h5 hours ago

Swing to SNP in Leith Walk by-election at 8% lowest recently. Growing awareness of SNP failure at Holyrood?

Leith Walk (Edinburgh) by-election result:
SNP - 36.2% (+7.3)
LAB - 25.7% (-8.0)
GRN - 21.8% (+1.3)
CON - 7.9% (-0.3)
LDEM - 4.0% (-1.1)
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Excellent

TheScreamingEagles said:

Apparently David Cameron insulted Yorkshire.

Anyone got a link to signing up to UKIP?

Cameron gets more impressive every day. The best thing about Yorkshire is that it borders the brilliant Derbyshire.

It's also increasingly clear that the various causes of this current nightmare (precipitate resignation, crazy new voting system, turn against sound economic and fiscal principles) can be laid at the door of Ed Miliband - the worst leader Labour have ever had ... up until tomorrow.