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edited September 2015 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Yes we Khan – Sadiq Khan wins the London Mayoral nomination 59% to 41%

I know this will earn me the wrath of Khan and his supporters, but the likely Conservative nominee Zac Goldsmith will be delighted with this as the polling generally shows him beating Khan but not Jowell. But as Dame Tessa Jowell will confirm it is a mistake to underestimate Sadiq Khan.

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  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    First like Goldsmith.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,977
    FPT: Mr. kle4, there'll be some. People have bizarre fetishes [weirdest I ever heard of was a blinking fetish].

    Disgrace that someone overtly proposing ethnic quotas in the workplace will aspire to be London mayor on Labour's behalf. It's sheer racism to literally discriminate based on skin colour.

    Congrats on your win, Mr. Eagles, and thanks to Mr. Manson for his wise tip, which I foolishly did not follow [not sure if I saw it, to be fair].
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @jonwalker121: Um is 59% *in an AV vote on the 5th round of counting* really overwhelming? Nature of AV is someone *eventually* likely to get clear maj?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Paging Shadsy !!

    @faisalislam: Corbyn planning Ken Livingstone for tooting? If Khan wins...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,046
    Goldsmith still 2/1 with Paddy. Pile in (if he'll take the bet)!!!
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,929
    fpt

    What do the Tories want to do about Corbyn? If he is so terrible for Labour wouldn't it be better that he stayed there? Tim Montgomerie thinks this is a chance to knock Labour off their morally superior perch. Perhaps, but that in itself is rather revealing.

    10 years ago when Cameron first came along it was all about how the Tories cared too and had no less of a moral conscience than Labour did, they just disagreed on means. It would appear they've given up on that and Osborne seems entirely comfortable in his ruthlessly cynical skin. It must grate them though to have to deal with Labour's sanctimony when the reality in their minds is that Labour is just as much in the moral gutter as they are. They're just two sides of the same opportunist coin who've chosen different paths.

    Montgomerie reckons politics could be about to get ugly. That has its downsides but parliamentary democracy is supposed to represent the broad views of the electorate. If the nation starts washing its dirty laundry in the House of Commons it might at least be rather more honest than the phoney civility of the 'right honourable member.'
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    The main problem with Sadiq IMO is not his supposed "racism", but that he's so lacking in charisma...
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    The time is ripe for a charismatic, pro-Heathrow independent.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    edited September 2015
    Game over as far as Labour leadership too given the crossover between Khan and Corbyn voters and the dominance of London Labour Corbyn is the next Labour leader almost without doubt. Zac clearly now a strong contender for Mayor
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''Disgrace that someone overtly proposing ethnic quotas in the workplace will aspire to be London mayor on Labour's behalf. It's sheer racism to literally discriminate based on skin colour.''

    Whether he will win or not I don;t know, but Khan will be an extremely divisive candidate.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    For a supposedly clever man - he comes across as rather stupid.
    Danny565 said:

    The main problem with Sadiq IMO is not his supposed "racism", but that he's so lacking in charisma...

  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    edited September 2015
    Scott_P said:

    Paging Shadsy !!

    @faisalislam: Corbyn planning Ken Livingstone for tooting? If Khan wins...

    Tory gain nailed on, if true.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Scott_P said:

    Paging Shadsy !!

    @faisalislam: Corbyn planning Ken Livingstone for tooting? If Khan wins...

    Does he have to stand down as an MP just for being the nominee, or is that only if he's elected Mayor?

    A Tooting by-election could be tricky with the way Battersea and Putney are trending...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,986
    Morris_Dancer said:

    FPT: Mr. kle4, there'll be some. People have bizarre fetishes [weirdest I ever heard of was a blinking fetish].

    Disgrace that someone overtly proposing ethnic quotas in the workplace will aspire to be London mayor on Labour's behalf. It's sheer racism to literally discriminate based on skin colour.

    Congrats on your win, Mr. Eagles, and thanks to Mr. Manson for his wise tip, which I foolishly did not follow [not sure if I saw it, to be fair].

    Did you notice my subtle Star Trek reference?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Morris_Dancer said:

    FPT: Mr. kle4, there'll be some. People have bizarre fetishes [weirdest I ever heard of was a blinking fetish].

    Disgrace that someone overtly proposing ethnic quotas in the workplace will aspire to be London mayor on Labour's behalf. It's sheer racism to literally discriminate based on skin colour.

    Congrats on your win, Mr. Eagles, and thanks to Mr. Manson for his wise tip, which I foolishly did not follow [not sure if I saw it, to be fair].

    I can see the Tories will play the anti-Muslim card !
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    I cannot believe Labour are doing this.. at one time they were always a serious contender and a serious Party..now they are not..
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,977
    Mr. 565, I concur Khan's dull (he managed to lose a QT audience packed with teachers and lecturers at the height of the tuition fees nonsense last Parliament), but would say the ethnic quotas policy is far worse.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    'This will earn me the wrath of Khan'

    God bless you sir, god bless you.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    FPT: Mr. kle4, there'll be some. People have bizarre fetishes [weirdest I ever heard of was a blinking fetish].

    Disgrace that someone overtly proposing ethnic quotas in the workplace will aspire to be London mayor on Labour's behalf. It's sheer racism to literally discriminate based on skin colour.

    Congrats on your win, Mr. Eagles, and thanks to Mr. Manson for his wise tip, which I foolishly did not follow [not sure if I saw it, to be fair].

    Did you notice my subtle Star Trek reference?
    Subtle?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,515
    If you want to know another example of Labour's problem's it's that Abbott got through to the fourth round, whilst Wolmar got knocked out in the second.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited September 2015
    Betfair exchange going evens Khan - looks a bit overdone
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,986
    Corbyn on Betfair down to 1.07, on present trends it'll be a minus figure soon
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Ignoring Tim Monty seems to be the best advice in almost any given situation.
    FrankBooth said:

    fpt

    What do the Tories want to do about Corbyn? If he is so terrible for Labour wouldn't it be better that he stayed there? Tim Montgomerie thinks this is a chance to knock Labour off their morally superior perch. Perhaps, but that in itself is rather revealing.

    10 years ago when Cameron first came along it was all about how the Tories cared too and had no less of a moral conscience than Labour did, they just disagreed on means. It would appear they've given up on that and Osborne seems entirely comfortable in his ruthlessly cynical skin. It must grate them though to have to deal with Labour's sanctimony when the reality in their minds is that Labour is just as much in the moral gutter as they are. They're just two sides of the same opportunist coin who've chosen different paths.

    Montgomerie reckons politics could be about to get ugly. That has its downsides but parliamentary democracy is supposed to represent the broad views of the electorate. If the nation starts washing its dirty laundry in the House of Commons it might at least be rather more honest than the phoney civility of the 'right honourable member.'

  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,782
    Danny565 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Paging Shadsy !!

    @faisalislam: Corbyn planning Ken Livingstone for tooting? If Khan wins...

    Does he have to stand down as an MP just for being the nominee, or is that only if he's elected Mayor?

    A Tooting by-election could be tricky with the way Battersea and Putney are trending...
    Given Ken's example in Brent, he doesn't even need to stand down as an MP if he wins (although I think that he almost certainly would). Same goes for Zac in Richmond Park of course. Would therefore be expecting a London by-election in one of them in June of next year.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @mjrharris: All the men winning! Finally our time has come! #labour
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''I cannot believe Labour are doing this.. at one time they were always a serious contender and a serious Party..now they are not.. ''

    It's like a political form of suicide chess
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,977
    Mr. Surbiton, two points: I'm not a Conservative. I posted that ethnic quotas/discriminating based on skin colour is wrong. Please explain the basis of your attack on me.

    Mr. Eagles, sadly, I did notice.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    A good day financially for me and politically for PB Tories everywhere.


  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Ladbrokes Politics ‏@LadPolitics 1m1 minute ago

    Zac Goldsmith's #londonmayor odds cut from 7/4 to 11/10 following Sadiq Khan's selection.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Ken as the New Citizen Smith?

    This is almost too much to ask.
    ThomasNashe said:

    Scott_P said:

    Paging Shadsy !!

    @faisalislam: Corbyn planning Ken Livingstone for tooting? If Khan wins...

    Tory gain nailed on, if true.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,986
    Also a big shout out to Tissue Price who tipped Zac Goldsmith at 22/1
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834
    richardDodd said:

    I cannot believe Labour are doing this.. at one time they were always a serious contender and a serious Party..now they are not..

    They still have Wales.
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,782
    JosiasJessop said:

    If you want to know another example of Labour's problem's it's that Abbott got through to the fourth round, whilst Wolmar got knocked out in the second.

    Are the transfer details available - would be interested to see where Wolmar's votes went. (Also to see how far Abbot was off beating Tessa for the final round)
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    I love you TSE. So comfortingly predictable! Great news on Khan.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @rowenamason: Source at Labour HQ says there is a stunned silence and grim mood at scale of Sadiq Khan mayoral win -suggests Corbyn victory sealed.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,046
    edited September 2015
    FrankBooth said:

    fpt

    What do the Tories want to do about Corbyn? If he is so terrible for Labour wouldn't it be better that he stayed there? Tim Montgomerie thinks this is a chance to knock Labour off their morally superior perch. Perhaps, but that in itself is rather revealing.

    10 years ago when Cameron first came along it was all about how the Tories cared too and had no less of a moral conscience than Labour did, they just disagreed on means. It would appear they've given up on that and Osborne seems entirely comfortable in his ruthlessly cynical skin. It must grate them though to have to deal with Labour's sanctimony when the reality in their minds is that Labour is just as much in the moral gutter as they are. They're just two sides of the same opportunist coin who've chosen different paths.

    Montgomerie reckons politics could be about to get ugly. That has its downsides but parliamentary democracy is supposed to represent the broad views of the electorate. If the nation starts washing its dirty laundry in the House of Commons it might at least be rather more honest than the phoney civility of the 'right honourable member.'

    Surely after an initial flurry, the Tories will wait a bit until he's purged the remaining Blairites and made the changes he talked about - such as having the membership choose the shad cabinet and key policies?

    Then they'll go hard for him, knowing that the replacement is more likely to be another unelectable trot rather than say Dan Jarvis.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,929
    As much as I dislike the Tories the thought of Goldsmith becoming London Mayor doesn't really bother me. But what about the poor old Blairites? I saw a very prominent Blairite who still pops up in the media sitting on his own in a pub just a few weeks after the election. He looked extremely glum - had he read the ruins?
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Apparently Khan also wants to massively curb stop-and-search. This is a very foolish policy considering the significant rise in knife crime.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    :smiley:
    taffys said:

    ''I cannot believe Labour are doing this.. at one time they were always a serious contender and a serious Party..now they are not.. ''

    It's like a political form of suicide chess

  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Also a big shout out to Tissue Price who tipped Zac Goldsmith at 22/1

    But am I a better tipper than Henry? There's only one way to find out... FIGHT!
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    ZG will win ..

    http://order-order.com/2015/02/26/sadiq-khan-spoke-at-event-hosted-by-jihadi-john-group/

    "Guido can reveal that in 2012 the Shadow Justice Secretary and London mayor hopeful Sadiq Khan spokeon the same platform as a CAGE representative at an event in parliament and alongside the father of Babar Ahmad. Ahmad was later convicted of supporting Islamic terrorists and sentenced to 12 and a half years in prison."
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    Think this is the best result for my wallet... Will check in a week when I get back to the spreadsheet
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    I don't have any way of knowing who would be best for London, and on a personal level don't care as I don't live there, therefore the funnier result would be best. A Tory Old Etonian winning there again would definitely be that given Labour's general strength in the capital, so if Khan does help Goldsmith win (assuming he gets the Tory nomination) so much the better.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Danny565 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Paging Shadsy !!

    @faisalislam: Corbyn planning Ken Livingstone for tooting? If Khan wins...

    Does he have to stand down as an MP just for being the nominee, or is that only if he's elected Mayor?

    A Tooting by-election could be tricky with the way Battersea and Putney are trending...
    I go to Tooting every week. I don't think Labour will be losing Tooting !
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    They still have Wales.

    And Liverpool.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,986
    Just think within a few years we could have a Muslim leading London and another Muslim leading the country and the Tories.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    JEO said:

    Apparently Khan also wants to massively curb stop-and-search. This is a very foolish policy considering the significant rise in knife crime.

    Would any rational person want him to have any say in any policing matter?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Great typo.
    FrankBooth said:

    As much as I dislike the Tories the thought of Goldsmith becoming London Mayor doesn't really bother me. But what about the poor old Blairites? I saw a very prominent Blairite who still pops up in the media sitting on his own in a pub just a few weeks after the election. He looked extremely glum - had he read the ruins?

  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    FrankBooth said:

    As much as I dislike the Tories the thought of Goldsmith becoming London Mayor doesn't really bother me. But what about the poor old Blairites? I saw a very prominent Blairite who still pops up in the media sitting on his own in a pub just a few weeks after the election. He looked extremely glum - had he read the ruins?

    John McTernan?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,040
    FrankBooth said:

    fpt

    What do the Tories want to do about Corbyn? If he is so terrible for Labour wouldn't it be better that he stayed there? Tim Montgomerie thinks this is a chance to knock Labour off their morally superior perch. Perhaps, but that in itself is rather revealing.

    10 years ago when Cameron first came along it was all about how the Tories cared too and had no less of a moral conscience than Labour did, they just disagreed on means. It would appear they've given up on that and Osborne seems entirely comfortable in his ruthlessly cynical skin. It must grate them though to have to deal with Labour's sanctimony when the reality in their minds is that Labour is just as much in the moral gutter as they are. They're just two sides of the same opportunist coin who've chosen different paths.

    Montgomerie reckons politics could be about to get ugly. That has its downsides but parliamentary democracy is supposed to represent the broad views of the electorate. If the nation starts washing its dirty laundry in the House of Commons it might at least be rather more honest than the phoney civility of the 'right honourable member.'

    You are so far off the mark with Osborne. I was referred to this on here yesterday and it is a really interesting piece: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2015/09/ascent-submarine-george-osborne-talks-jason-cowley

    As you would expect given that it is the New Statesman it is not uncritical but his determination to dominate the centre ground and his easy acceptance of a positive roll for the State shows what problems Labour have. And that is before they elect an intellectual muppet.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,515
    Lennon said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    If you want to know another example of Labour's problem's it's that Abbott got through to the fourth round, whilst Wolmar got knocked out in the second.

    Are the transfer details available - would be interested to see where Wolmar's votes went. (Also to see how far Abbot was off beating Tessa for the final round)
    See:
    http://labourlist.org/2015/09/sadiq-khan-wins-race-to-be-labours-candidate-for-london-mayor/

    Looks like it was mainly Khan.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Also a big shout out to Tissue Price who tipped Zac Goldsmith at 22/1

    Agreed - and mea culpa, I poo pooed it at the time (though tbf, that was before the Labour party decided to commit collective hari kari).
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    surbiton said:

    Danny565 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Paging Shadsy !!

    @faisalislam: Corbyn planning Ken Livingstone for tooting? If Khan wins...

    Does he have to stand down as an MP just for being the nominee, or is that only if he's elected Mayor?

    A Tooting by-election could be tricky with the way Battersea and Putney are trending...
    I go to Tooting every week. I don't think Labour will be losing Tooting !
    His majority was sub 3k..

    He wont stand down as he wont win the mayorship.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    I often wondered whether a tory tactic might be to paint labour as the party of choice for the muslim radical.

    Labour themselves have now saved everybody the trouble.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,929
    david_herdson said:

    richardDodd said:

    I cannot believe Labour are doing this.. at one time they were always a serious contender and a serious Party..now they are not..

    They still have Wales.
    I remember Dan Hodges mocking Carwyn Jones for being boring. He should be cherishing him.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @ShippersUnbound: So the pollsters are currently 0-2 on major elections this year. Can Corbyn save them?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    What a disaster for Labour. Tessa Jowell the obvious candidate from the point of view of swing voters.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/theobertram/status/642304960785424384
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Nice to see consistency in the Corbynista vote...
    TGOHF said:

    ZG will win ..

    http://order-order.com/2015/02/26/sadiq-khan-spoke-at-event-hosted-by-jihadi-john-group/

    "Guido can reveal that in 2012 the Shadow Justice Secretary and London mayor hopeful Sadiq Khan spokeon the same platform as a CAGE representative at an event in parliament and alongside the father of Babar Ahmad. Ahmad was later convicted of supporting Islamic terrorists and sentenced to 12 and a half years in prison."

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Just think within a few years we could have a Muslim leading London and another Muslim leading the country and the Tories.

    SJ isn't a practising Muslim.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Captain Kirk realises that his bet of the entire starship Enterprise on a Jowel win has just been lost.

    http://youtu.be/wRnSnfiUI54
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,977
    Mr. Nashe, pooh-poohed. I hope :p

    Mr Eagles, Patel? Or Javid[sp]?

    Mr. Surbiton, you appeared to post that I was playing an anti-Muslim card. Kindly explain or retract.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    TGOHF said:

    surbiton said:

    Danny565 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Paging Shadsy !!

    @faisalislam: Corbyn planning Ken Livingstone for tooting? If Khan wins...

    Does he have to stand down as an MP just for being the nominee, or is that only if he's elected Mayor?

    A Tooting by-election could be tricky with the way Battersea and Putney are trending...
    I go to Tooting every week. I don't think Labour will be losing Tooting !
    His majority was sub 3k..

    He wont stand down as he wont win the mayorship.
    Which is equivalent to 5k in 2020 even before talking about swings .
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    DavidL said:

    FrankBooth said:

    fpt

    What do the Tories want to do about Corbyn? If he is so terrible for Labour wouldn't it be better that he stayed there? Tim Montgomerie thinks this is a chance to knock Labour off their morally superior perch. Perhaps, but that in itself is rather revealing.

    10 years ago when Cameron first came along it was all about how the Tories cared too and had no less of a moral conscience than Labour did, they just disagreed on means. It would appear they've given up on that and Osborne seems entirely comfortable in his ruthlessly cynical skin. It must grate them though to have to deal with Labour's sanctimony when the reality in their minds is that Labour is just as much in the moral gutter as they are. They're just two sides of the same opportunist coin who've chosen different paths.

    Montgomerie reckons politics could be about to get ugly. That has its downsides but parliamentary democracy is supposed to represent the broad views of the electorate. If the nation starts washing its dirty laundry in the House of Commons it might at least be rather more honest than the phoney civility of the 'right honourable member.'

    You are so far off the mark with Osborne. I was referred to this on here yesterday and it is a really interesting piece: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2015/09/ascent-submarine-george-osborne-talks-jason-cowley

    As you would expect given that it is the New Statesman it is not uncritical but his determination to dominate the centre ground and his easy acceptance of a positive roll for the State shows what problems Labour have. And that is before they elect an intellectual muppet.
    hoorar for me!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Have Labour got some sort of collectve suicide pact?

    Ed Miliband leaves a hell of a legacy!
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    taffys said:

    I often wondered whether a tory tactic might be to paint labour as the party of choice for the muslim radical.

    Labour themselves have now saved everybody the trouble.

    Sadiq Khan will be the most high profile Labour politician after Corbyn. The Tories need to ask Khan very clearly whether he agrees with Corbyn's descriptions of Raed Salah and the like.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Lost in a filter I shall repeat?

    Labour linkedin

    This is no time for a Woman.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    Scott_P said:

    @ShippersUnbound: So the pollsters are currently 0-2 on major elections this year. Can Corbyn save them?

    There was no poll of London Labour members for mayoral candidate only voters as a whole though on this evidence yougov got Corbyn's Labour leadership victory right which is why they did not release another poll
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Just think within a few years we could have a Muslim leading London and another Muslim leading the country and the Tories.

    Sajid Javid ? Jesus !
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Another OE Tory would be most amusing. I don't like him and would've voted for Tessa if I had one.

    This is going to be one helluva election campaign.
    kle4 said:

    I don't have any way of knowing who would be best for London, and on a personal level don't care as I don't live there, therefore the funnier result would be best. A Tory Old Etonian winning there again would definitely be that given Labour's general strength in the capital, so if Khan does help Goldsmith win (assuming he gets the Tory nomination) so much the better.

  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    FrankBooth said:

    As much as I dislike the Tories the thought of Goldsmith becoming London Mayor doesn't really bother me. But what about the poor old Blairites? I saw a very prominent Blairite who still pops up in the media sitting on his own in a pub just a few weeks after the election. He looked extremely glum - had he read the ruins?

    ha ha very apposite... actually 'a casting of the ''ruins'' ' was a good (brilliant in fact) British film - entitled 'Night of the Demon' . It even had a very good bought in Holywood actor, Dana Andrews.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    DavidL said:

    FrankBooth said:

    fpt

    What do the Tories want to do about Corbyn? If he is so terrible for Labour wouldn't it be better that he stayed there? Tim Montgomerie thinks this is a chance to knock Labour off their morally superior perch. Perhaps, but that in itself is rather revealing.

    10 years ago when Cameron first came along it was all about how the Tories cared too and had no less of a moral conscience than Labour did, they just disagreed on means. It would appear they've given up on that and Osborne seems entirely comfortable in his ruthlessly cynical skin. It must grate them though to have to deal with Labour's sanctimony when the reality in their minds is that Labour is just as much in the moral gutter as they are. They're just two sides of the same opportunist coin who've chosen different paths.

    Montgomerie reckons politics could be about to get ugly. That has its downsides but parliamentary democracy is supposed to represent the broad views of the electorate. If the nation starts washing its dirty laundry in the House of Commons it might at least be rather more honest than the phoney civility of the 'right honourable member.'

    You are so far off the mark with Osborne. I was referred to this on here yesterday and it is a really interesting piece: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2015/09/ascent-submarine-george-osborne-talks-jason-cowley

    As you would expect given that it is the New Statesman it is not uncritical but his determination to dominate the centre ground and his easy acceptance of a positive roll for the State shows what problems Labour have. And that is before they elect an intellectual muppet.
    Come on, NOBODY outside the Westminster bubble thinks Osborne is "centrist"!

    The public perception of him is that he's a typical Tory only interested in the rich (moreso than Cameron who imo people think he atleast attempts to understand poorer people), but that atleast he's competent and has a clear sense of where he's going.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Great summary. Did CCHQ bulk buy genie lamps?
    taffys said:

    I often wondered whether a tory tactic might be to paint labour as the party of choice for the muslim radical.

    Labour themselves have now saved everybody the trouble.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    surbiton said:

    TGOHF said:

    surbiton said:

    Danny565 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Paging Shadsy !!

    @faisalislam: Corbyn planning Ken Livingstone for tooting? If Khan wins...

    Does he have to stand down as an MP just for being the nominee, or is that only if he's elected Mayor?

    A Tooting by-election could be tricky with the way Battersea and Putney are trending...
    I go to Tooting every week. I don't think Labour will be losing Tooting !
    His majority was sub 3k..

    He wont stand down as he wont win the mayorship.
    Which is equivalent to 5k in 2020 even before talking about swings .
    He won a 2.8k majority pre Corbyn.

    Factor Labour leadership into the equation.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''This is going to be one helluva election campaign.''

    Whilst I don;t like Monty much myself, Plato I think in this case he is correct. Politics is going to get very ugly.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,986
    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Just think within a few years we could have a Muslim leading London and another Muslim leading the country and the Tories.

    SJ isn't a practising Muslim.

    Ok.

    Just think within a few years we could have the sons of Pakistani immigrants leading London and another leading the country and the Tories.

    I keep on telling you those sorts of chaps are awesome.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited September 2015
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Just think within a few years we could have a Muslim leading London and another Muslim leading the country and the Tories.

    No chance of the first one, I'm calling this for Goldsmith already.

    Boroughs like Kingston and Richmond could vote 75-25 in favour of Goldsmith with Khan as Labour candidate IMO.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,979
    I'll now be seriously surprised if Corbyn doesn't win this on the first round. 50% plus one must be nailed on, surely?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Nashe, pooh-poohed. I hope :p

    Mr Eagles, Patel? Or Javid[sp]?

    Mr. Surbiton, you appeared to post that I was playing an anti-Muslim card. Kindly explain or retract.

    I think you will find I used the word "Tories". I was not aware you now represent the entire Tory party and its publicity machine.

    Sadiq has to watch out for Tory photographers when he next eats a kebab roll ! The swiftboating will start from tomorrow.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    FPT, @Innocent_Abroad

    Apologies - I couldn't get on to the comments on my phone this morning. I was referring to this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMeU_szhZ6E
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    SK is also the union shill candidate - the champion of tube strikes.

    Add in Crosby running ZG's campaign...
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    edited September 2015
    david_herdson said:

    richardDodd said:

    I cannot believe Labour are doing this.. at one time they were always a serious contender and a serious Party..now they are not..

    They still have Wales.
    In fairness, Carwyn Jones is light years away from the alternative universe that appears to be going on in the rest of Labour in the UK and London in particular. I claim no inside knowledge at other than personal circles, but I suspect much of traditional Valleys Labour is simply aghast at present.
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,782
    JosiasJessop said:

    Lennon said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    If you want to know another example of Labour's problem's it's that Abbott got through to the fourth round, whilst Wolmar got knocked out in the second.

    Are the transfer details available - would be interested to see where Wolmar's votes went. (Also to see how far Abbot was off beating Tessa for the final round)
    See:
    http://labourlist.org/2015/09/sadiq-khan-wins-race-to-be-labours-candidate-for-london-mayor/

    Looks like it was mainly Khan.
    Thanks
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,986
    Apparently David Cameron insulted Yorkshire.

    Anyone got a link to signing up to UKIP?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    AndyJS said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Just think within a few years we could have a Muslim leading London and another Muslim leading the country and the Tories.

    No chance of the first one, I'm calling this for Goldsmith already.

    Boroughs like Kingston and Richmond could vote 75-25 in favour of Goldsmith with Khan as Labour candidate IMO.
    "Boroughs like Kingston"...... ! Shows how much you know London.

    The real world is slightly more than just a spreadsheet !
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,977
    Mr. Surbiton, you quoted a post I made and responded to it thus:
    "I can see the Tories will play the anti-Muslim card !"

    Still, if you're content that you don't think I'm doing that, quite happy to let matters rest there.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    FPT: Mr. kle4, there'll be some. People have bizarre fetishes [weirdest I ever heard of was a blinking fetish].

    Disgrace that someone overtly proposing ethnic quotas in the workplace will aspire to be London mayor on Labour's behalf. It's sheer racism to literally discriminate based on skin colour.

    Congrats on your win, Mr. Eagles, and thanks to Mr. Manson for his wise tip, which I foolishly did not follow [not sure if I saw it, to be fair].

    Did you notice my subtle Star Trek reference?
    Subtle?
    Even I spotted it......
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,977
    Mr. Eagles, you're a member of Lancashire Cricket Club. Motes and beams.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Just think within a few years we could have a Muslim leading London and another Muslim leading the country and the Tories.

    SJ isn't a practising Muslim.

    Ok.

    Just think within a few years we could have the sons of Pakistani immigrants leading London and another leading the country and the Tories.

    I keep on telling you those sorts of chaps are awesome.
    Bit racist of you to assume his religion based on his nationality ? :D
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    SeanT said:

    Corbyn NAILED on.

    The political dictionary requires a new word for what Labour are doing to themselves. This is far beyond the mild Tory madness of IDS.

    Has any serious Western party, from Europe to North America to Australasia, spazzed out the way Labour are spazzing out now?

    The Swedish Social Democrats are doing their best to court oblivion with their migration policy.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Although I agree that Goldsmith is the favourite, one thing that's slightly in Khan's favour is he might maximise Muslim turnout.

    One of Labour's problems in mayoral elections has been that the demographics that make London such a good fit for Labour in general elections (the young and ethnic minorities) don't bother turning out for anything less - Khan could partially alleviate that.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,517
    This is how stupid Labour really are:

    George Foulkes ‏@GeorgeFoulkes 5h5 hours ago

    Swing to SNP in Leith Walk by-election at 8% lowest recently. Growing awareness of SNP failure at Holyrood?

    Leith Walk (Edinburgh) by-election result:
    SNP - 36.2% (+7.3)
    LAB - 25.7% (-8.0)
    GRN - 21.8% (+1.3)
    CON - 7.9% (-0.3)
    LDEM - 4.0% (-1.1)
    70 retweets 52 favorites
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,986
    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Just think within a few years we could have a Muslim leading London and another Muslim leading the country and the Tories.

    SJ isn't a practising Muslim.

    Ok.

    Just think within a few years we could have the sons of Pakistani immigrants leading London and another leading the country and the Tories.

    I keep on telling you those sorts of chaps are awesome.
    Bit racist of you to assume his religion based on his nationality ? :D
    Yup, racist me, why do you think I ask for a link to join UKIP a few minutes ago :lol:
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046
    Excellent :D
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,979
    Danny565 said:

    Although I agree that Goldsmith is the favourite, one thing that's slightly in Khan's favour is he might maximise Muslim turnout.

    When it is already at 200%, where is there for it to go?
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    surbiton said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Just think within a few years we could have a Muslim leading London and another Muslim leading the country and the Tories.

    Sajid Javid ? Jesus !
    No, real jihadist murderers in both cases. UK has no borders and will in the short or long run have no democracy.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''One thing that's slightly in Khan's favour is he might maximise Muslim turnout.''

    This is what politics has become for labour - based on horrible, sectarian lines.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,515
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Apparently David Cameron insulted Yorkshire.

    Anyone got a link to signing up to UKIP?

    Cameron gets more impressive every day. The best thing about Yorkshire is that it borders the brilliant Derbyshire. ;)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    So if Khan doesn't win in May is that the moment Corbyn gets deposed?
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    It's also increasingly clear that the various causes of this current nightmare (precipitate resignation, crazy new voting system, turn against sound economic and fiscal principles) can be laid at the door of Ed Miliband - the worst leader Labour have ever had ... up until tomorrow.
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