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The July Ipsos MORI Issues index sees declines for immigration & NHS but big increase for defence/terrorism pic.twitter.com/VxHqDcxB6N

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,756
    edited July 2015
    NHS and immigration on the slide.

    Huzzah for the Tory government and Jeremy Hunt in particular.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Covers coming off...
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    I note that the migrant tragically killed in the last stampede of the Chunnel was a young man from the Sudan. He was around 20 to 30 years old apparently. Let's take an open look at this situation.

    He was from the Sudan so most likely crossed the borders of Egypt and Syria into the toe of Italy. It could have been another direction of course but I am using the shortest possibility. If it was another he passed through even more safe countries of course.

    When in Italy he has travelled the length of that country passing some of the most beautiful and stunning countryside in the world with good food and fine wines and healthy living. He then passes into France. Not for him the wonders of Monaco the French Riviera , the vineyards of France with good living warm weather oh no.
    He passes Switzerland lying to the east not a thought of stopping at Geneva and then no other city town or village as he heads north his heart set on a dirty little campsite in the open situated in Calais. Here he waits probably for months in ramshackle conditions attempting to jump into containers on moving trucks or on top of trains that hurtle through the tunnel at breakneck speed risking injury or death.

    To do this He has passed through some of the most majestic holiday destinations in the world perfectly safe countries simply to finally die under a lorries wheels in what he would have considered an unknown town in northern France.

    The question everyone has to ask is why? Why go to all those lengths when he was perfectly safe anywhere in Europe. We all know why of course and Until that question is firmly and rigidly addressed then they will keep coming.

    It's now just a matter of time.... The dam is breaking.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,756
    edited July 2015
    With defence and terrorism on the increase there has never been a better time for Labour to elect someone who calls Hezbollah his friends as leader.

    This is how crap the other three leadership contenders are that they've not raised that or his IRA loving comments.

    If they don't then the Tories will.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,868
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    With defence and terrorism on the increase there has never been a better time for Labour to elect someone who calls Hezbollah his friends as leader.

    This is how crap the other three leadership contenders are that they've not raised that or his IRA loving comments.

    If they don't then the Tories will.

    Not until he's elected, eh old chap?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,756
    MarqueeMark said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    With defence and terrorism on the increase there has never been a better time for Labour to elect someone who calls Hezbollah his friends as leader.

    This is how crap the other three leadership contenders are that they've not raised that or his IRA loving comments.

    If they don't then the Tories will.

    Not until he's elected, eh old chap?
    Of course.

    September 13th is when the Tories will first raise it.

    #Jezbollah
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    I’m surprised ‘Seagulls’ don’t get a mention…
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2015
    Moses_ said:

    I note that the migrant tragically killed in the last stampede of the Chunnel was a young man from the Sudan. He was around 20 to 30 years old apparently. Let's take an open look at this situation.

    He was from the Sudan so most likely crossed the borders of Egypt and Syria into the toe of Italy. It could have been another direction of course but I am using the shortest possibility. If it was another he passed through even more safe countries of course.

    When in Italy he has travelled the length of that country passing some of the most beautiful and stunning countryside in the world with good food and fine wines and healthy living. He then passes into France. Not for him the wonders of Monaco the French Riviera , the vineyards of France with good living warm weather oh no.
    He passes Switzerland lying to the east not a thought of stopping at Geneva and then no other city town or village as he heads north his heart set on a dirty little campsite in the open situated in Calais. Here he waits probably for months in ramshackle conditions attempting to jump into containers on moving trucks or on top of trains that hurtle through the tunnel at breakneck speed risking injury or death.

    To do this He has passed through some of the most majestic holiday destinations in the world perfectly safe countries simply to finally die under a lorries wheels in what he would have considered an unknown town in northern France.

    The question everyone has to ask is why? Why go to all those lengths when he was perfectly safe anywhere in Europe. We all know why of course and Until that question is firmly and rigidly addressed then they will keep coming.

    It's now just a matter of time.... The dam is breaking.

    Is it the food? Or the prospect of living in one of Tyson's Buy to Lets on Benefits?
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Theresa May saying that a bunch of the tunnel rushers in Calais got through.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    Interesting chart comparing what's missing between the Labour and Tory top 10.

    Tory voters concerned about the EU and an ageing population.
    Labour voters concerned about poverty/inequality and low pay.

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    JEO said:

    Theresa May saying that a bunch of the tunnel rushers in Calais got through.

    Is she going to resign?
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Moses_ said:

    I note that the migrant tragically killed in the last stampede of the Chunnel was a young man from the Sudan. He was around 20 to 30 years old apparently. Let's take an open look at this situation.

    He was from the Sudan so most likely crossed the borders of Egypt and Syria into the toe of Italy. It could have been another direction of course but I am using the shortest possibility. If it was another he passed through even more safe countries of course.

    When in Italy he has travelled the length of that country passing some of the most beautiful and stunning countryside in the world with good food and fine wines and healthy living. He then passes into France. Not for him the wonders of Monaco the French Riviera , the vineyards of France with good living warm weather oh no.
    He passes Switzerland lying to the east not a thought of stopping at Geneva and then no other city town or village as he heads north his heart set on a dirty little campsite in the open situated in Calais. Here he waits probably for months in ramshackle conditions attempting to jump into containers on moving trucks or on top of trains that hurtle through the tunnel at breakneck speed risking injury or death.

    To do this He has passed through some of the most majestic holiday destinations in the world perfectly safe countries simply to finally die under a lorries wheels in what he would have considered an unknown town in northern France.

    The question everyone has to ask is why? Why go to all those lengths when he was perfectly safe anywhere in Europe. We all know why of course and Until that question is firmly and rigidly addressed then they will keep coming.

    It's now just a matter of time.... The dam is breaking.

    I'm increasingly thinking we should give such migrants a choice: return to the first safe country they got to, or we'll deport them to the beaches of Libya.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''We all know why of course''

    Do we...?? Not sure I do.
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    edited July 2015
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    With defence and terrorism on the increase there has never been a better time for Labour to elect someone who calls Hezbollah his friends as leader.

    This is how crap the other three leadership contenders are that they've not raised that or his IRA loving comments.

    If they don't then the Tories will.

    Not until he's elected, eh old chap?
    Of course.

    September 13th is when the Tories will first raise it.

    #Jezbollah
    Because I'm sure the Tories have never said anything similar about the Sauds, whose bunch are actually responsible for terrorism in the west, unlike Hezbollah.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    With defence and terrorism on the increase there has never been a better time for Labour to elect someone who calls Hezbollah his friends as leader.

    This is how crap the other three leadership contenders are that they've not raised that or his IRA loving comments.

    If they don't then the Tories will.

    Not until he's elected, eh old chap?
    Of course.

    September 13th is when the Tories will first raise it.

    #Jezbollah
    Well they do have thirty years of his being hard left to investigate.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,756
    JWisemann said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    With defence and terrorism on the increase there has never been a better time for Labour to elect someone who calls Hezbollah his friends as leader.

    This is how crap the other three leadership contenders are that they've not raised that or his IRA loving comments.

    If they don't then the Tories will.

    Not until he's elected, eh old chap?
    Of course.

    September 13th is when the Tories will first raise it.

    #Jezbollah
    Because I'm sure the Tories have never said anything similar about the Sauds, whose bunch are actually responsible for terrorism in the west, unlike Hezbollah.
    Typical Phil Woolasesque response.

    Trying to make the whites angry eh?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,533
    edited July 2015
    Terrorists Bourgass and Hussain win prison segregation appeal

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33699873

    From reading of this, I am not sure how this situation has come about in the first place. The article suggests that the law is crystal clear on this matter (and actually didn't require much more than a civil servant signing it off every 2 weeks, rather than the prison staff), so why hasn't it been followed especially given how dangerous these two clearly are?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,060
    "With defence and terrorism on the increase there has never been a better time for Labour to elect someone who calls Hezbollah his friends as leader.

    This is how crap the other three leadership contenders are that they've not raised that or his IRA loving comments. "


    You're such a Tory Eagle! A pity because in most other respects you're a human being.

  • JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    MyBurningEars said:

    Moses_ said:

    I note that the migrant tragically killed in the last stampede of the Chunnel was a young man from the Sudan. He was around 20 to 30 years old apparently. Let's take an open look at this situation.

    He was from the Sudan so most likely crossed the borders of Egypt and Syria into the toe of Italy. It could have been another direction of course but I am using the shortest possibility. If it was another he passed through even more safe countries of course.

    When in Italy he has travelled the length of that country passing some of the most beautiful and stunning countryside in the world with good food and fine wines and healthy living. He then passes into France. Not for him the wonders of Monaco the French Riviera , the vineyards of France with good living warm weather oh no.
    He passes Switzerland lying to the east not a thought of stopping at Geneva and then no other city town or village as he heads north his heart set on a dirty little campsite in the open situated in Calais. Here he waits probably for months in ramshackle conditions attempting to jump into containers on moving trucks or on top of trains that hurtle through the tunnel at breakneck speed risking injury or death.

    To do this He has passed through some of the most majestic holiday destinations in the world perfectly safe countries simply to finally die under a lorries wheels in what he would have considered an unknown town in northern France.

    The question everyone has to ask is why? Why go to all those lengths when he was perfectly safe anywhere in Europe. We all know why of course and Until that question is firmly and rigidly addressed then they will keep coming.

    It's now just a matter of time.... The dam is breaking.

    One thing I'd point out is that the more mobile people are often those wealthy enough to afford support on the journey: the very poorest, most ill, most elderly or generally most vulnerable are often the least able to flee.

    Indeed, which is why international aid to those countries is a more effective way of helping the most needy than opening your borders and offering blanket asylums to anyone who has the money to get to your country. Not to mention that £100 supporting an illegal immigrant in this country would help far more people if spent in their country of origin.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    Roger said:

    "With defence and terrorism on the increase there has never been a better time for Labour to elect someone who calls Hezbollah his friends as leader.

    This is how crap the other three leadership contenders are that they've not raised that or his IRA loving comments. "


    You're such a Tory Eagle! A pity because in most other respects you're a human being.

    Ah, Roger's back. Did you breach the fence at Coquelles and make a run for it?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I'm not often open-mouthed about what a poster does or does do for a living - but discovering @tyson is a BTL landord was such an occasion.

    If only Trotsky could talk, what would she say?! :wink:
    watford30 said:

    Moses_ said:

    I note that the migrant tragically killed in the last stampede of the Chunnel was a young man from the Sudan. He was around 20 to 30 years old apparently. Let's take an open look at this situation.

    He was from the Sudan so most likely crossed the borders of Egypt and Syria into the toe of Italy. It could have been another direction of course but I am using the shortest possibility. If it was another he passed through even more safe countries of course.

    When in Italy he has travelled the length of that country passing some of the most beautiful and stunning countryside in the world with good food and fine wines and healthy living. He then passes into France. Not for him the wonders of Monaco the French Riviera , the vineyards of France with good living warm weather oh no.
    He passes Switzerland lying to the east not a thought of stopping at Geneva and then no other city town or village as he heads north his heart set on a dirty little campsite in the open situated in Calais. Here he waits probably for months in ramshackle conditions attempting to jump into containers on moving trucks or on top of trains that hurtle through the tunnel at breakneck speed risking injury or death.

    To do this He has passed through some of the most majestic holiday destinations in the world perfectly safe countries simply to finally die under a lorries wheels in what he would have considered an unknown town in northern France.

    The question everyone has to ask is why? Why go to all those lengths when he was perfectly safe anywhere in Europe. We all know why of course and Until that question is firmly and rigidly addressed then they will keep coming.

    It's now just a matter of time.... The dam is breaking.

    Is it the food? Or the prospect of living in one of Tyson's Buy to Lets on Benefits?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,769
    Moses_ said:

    The question everyone has to ask is why? Why go to all those lengths when he was perfectly safe anywhere in Europe. We all know why of course and Until that question is firmly and rigidly addressed then they will keep coming.

    Given the amount they're spending on security you'd think the Home Office would have done a survey by now.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,756
    edited July 2015
    Roger said:

    "With defence and terrorism on the increase there has never been a better time for Labour to elect someone who calls Hezbollah his friends as leader.

    This is how crap the other three leadership contenders are that they've not raised that or his IRA loving comments. "


    You're such a Tory Eagle! A pity because in most other respects you're a human being.

    Whilst there is an argument that the IRA bombing Manchester was the best thing ever to happen Manchester, I'm fairly certain being a supporter and apologist for the IRA during the midst of their campaign might be a not a net vote winner in the UK, I'm trying to be helpful to Labour.

    Remember Fallon's attack on Miliband during the campaign ?

    That will be the Tories playing by Queensberry rules compared to the political waterboarding Corbyn will get.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Jimmy!!!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,533
    WIIICKKKKETTTTTTTTTTTT....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,533
    I bet Micthell Johnson is looking forward to a bowl on this pitch.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    If Jezza does win - it's going to be a blood bath of a Labour Conference with journalists splurging on splits, JC's previous sayings and doings and loads of amusing grandstanding from the podium.

    I'm almost tempted to buy a ticket.
    In 2015, we are delighted to be returning to Brighton. Our Conference venue is the Brighton Centre and the Conference hotel will be the Hilton Brighton Metropole.

    Annual Conference 2015 will take place from Sunday 27 September to Wednesday 30 September 2015. http://www.labour.org.uk/pages/annual-conference-2015
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    With defence and terrorism on the increase there has never been a better time for Labour to elect someone who calls Hezbollah his friends as leader.

    This is how crap the other three leadership contenders are that they've not raised that or his IRA loving comments.

    If they don't then the Tories will.

    Not until he's elected, eh old chap?
    Of course.

    September 13th is when the Tories will first raise it.

    #Jezbollah
    Well they do have thirty years of his being hard left to investigate.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Plato said:

    I'm not often open-mouthed about what a poster does or does do for a living - but discovering @tyson is a BTL landord was such an occasion.

    If only Trotsky could talk, what would she say?! :wink:

    watford30 said:

    Moses_ said:

    I note that the migrant tragically killed in the last stampede of the Chunnel was a young man from the Sudan. He was around 20 to 30 years old apparently. Let's take an open look at this situation.

    He was from the Sudan so most likely crossed the borders of Egypt and Syria into the toe of Italy. It could have been another direction of course but I am using the shortest possibility. If it was another he passed through even more safe countries of course.

    When in Italy he has travelled the length of that country passing some of the most beautiful and stunning countryside in the world with good food and fine wines and healthy living. He then passes into France. Not for him the wonders of Monaco the French Riviera , the vineyards of France with good living warm weather oh no.
    He passes Switzerland lying to the east not a thought of stopping at Geneva and then no other city town or village as he heads north his heart set on a dirty little campsite in the open situated in Calais. Here he waits probably for months in ramshackle conditions attempting to jump into containers on moving trucks or on top of trains that hurtle through the tunnel at breakneck speed risking injury or death.

    To do this He has passed through some of the most majestic holiday destinations in the world perfectly safe countries simply to finally die under a lorries wheels in what he would have considered an unknown town in northern France.

    The question everyone has to ask is why? Why go to all those lengths when he was perfectly safe anywhere in Europe. We all know why of course and Until that question is firmly and rigidly addressed then they will keep coming.

    It's now just a matter of time.... The dam is breaking.

    Is it the food? Or the prospect of living in one of Tyson's Buy to Lets on Benefits?
    One of the same who ooooozes compassion and consideration by living in Italy and Errrr.... telling us in the UK to let everyone in.

    NIMBIP. .....Not in my back Italian Piazza.. Obs.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,196
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    With defence and terrorism on the increase there has never been a better time for Labour to elect someone who calls Hezbollah his friends as leader.

    This is how crap the other three leadership contenders are that they've not raised that or his IRA loving comments.

    If they don't then the Tories will.

    The only question for the Tories is how hard and when they shop Corbyn.

    Too early, and Labour might ditch him. Too late, and the electorate might give him the benefit of the doubt.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,196
    JEO said:

    Theresa May saying that a bunch of the tunnel rushers in Calais got through.

    What does that mean? That they're walking through the tunnel, or emerged at Folkestone clinging to a train?
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    Plato said:

    I'm not often open-mouthed about what a poster does or does do for a living - but discovering @tyson is a BTL landord was such an occasion.

    If only Trotsky could talk, what would she say?! :wink:

    watford30 said:

    Is it the food? Or the prospect of living in one of Tyson's Buy to Lets on Benefits?

    Yes, he's a member of the "Rentier" class - one of the left's most despised groups! Shocking! :astonished:
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I bet Micthell Johnson is looking forward to a bowl on this pitch.

    That's fine, so long as it's game 1 Mitchell Johnson.

    Australia are a better side than England, but they are very beatable in the right conditions, we should take heart in that, as we saw recently, despite the humiliation that followed.



  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,756
    5 down.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,533
    edited July 2015
    Casino_Royale said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    With defence and terrorism on the increase there has never been a better time for Labour to elect someone who calls Hezbollah his friends as leader.

    This is how crap the other three leadership contenders are that they've not raised that or his IRA loving comments.

    If they don't then the Tories will.

    The only question for the Tories is how hard and when they shop Corbyn.

    Too early, and Labour might ditch him. Too late, and the electorate might give him the benefit of the doubt.
    Those founding members of the DUEMA (Don't Unseat Ed Miliband Association) will be forming a new association as soon as he is confirmed as leader (assuming he is).
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Jimmy gets Marsh!
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    In Socialist Scotland - the state now runs not just airports - but music festivals


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-33703204

    "An MSP has called on the Scottish government to clarify why it gave the organisers of the T in the Park festival £150,000 in funding.

    Conservative MSP Liz Smith said there needed to be "absolute clarity and transparency" over the matter.

    The government had stated the one-off sum was given to help fund the "successful transition" of the festival to its new home at Strathallan Castle."
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    edited July 2015
    The difference is Corbyn will actually fight back against the party who were/are good friends with Saddam Hussein, Pinochet, the terrorists of House Saud, Apartheid South Africa and Pol Pot, amongst many other pleasant characters.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,868
    Except, as soon as you raise the issue of ISIS suicide bombers possibly slipping through Calais, you come full circle back to immigration to address these self-same concerns on terrorism.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2015
    Moses_ said:

    Plato said:

    I'm not often open-mouthed about what a poster does or does do for a living - but discovering @tyson is a BTL landord was such an occasion.

    If only Trotsky could talk, what would she say?! :wink:

    watford30 said:

    Moses_ said:

    I note that the migrant tragically killed in the last stampede of the Chunnel was a young man from the Sudan. He was around 20 to 30 years old apparently. Let's take an open look at this situation.

    He was from the Sudan so most likely crossed the borders of Egypt and Syria into the toe of Italy. It could have been another direction of course but I am using the shortest possibility. If it was another he passed through even more safe countries of course.

    When in Italy he has travelled the length of that country passing some of the most beautiful and stunning countryside in the world with good food and fine wines and healthy living. He then passes into France. Not for him the wonders of Monaco the French Riviera , the vineyards of France with good living warm weather oh no.
    He passes Switzerland lying to the east not a thought of stopping at Geneva and then no other city town or village as he heads north his heart set on a dirty little campsite in the open situated in Calais. Here he waits probably for months in ramshackle conditions attempting to jump into containers on moving trucks or on top of trains that hurtle through the tunnel at breakneck speed risking injury or death.

    To do this He has passed through some of the most majestic holiday destinations in the world perfectly safe countries simply to finally die under a lorries wheels in what he would have considered an unknown town in northern France.

    The question everyone has to ask is why? Why go to all those lengths when he was perfectly safe anywhere in Europe. We all know why of course and Until that question is firmly and rigidly addressed then they will keep coming.

    It's now just a matter of time.... The dam is breaking.

    Is it the food? Or the prospect of living in one of Tyson's Buy to Lets on Benefits?
    One of the same who ooooozes compassion and consideration by living in Italy and Errrr.... telling us in the UK to let everyone in.

    NIMBIP. .....Not in my back Italian Piazza.. Obs.
    'Hideously white' Italy, where the super rich refuse to engage in discussion about his favourite Woody Allen films.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Casino_Royale said:

    JEO said:

    Theresa May saying that a bunch of the tunnel rushers in Calais got through.

    What does that mean? That they're walking through the tunnel, or emerged at Folkestone clinging to a train?
    There is a central maintenance / emergency escape tunnel in the middle. Suspect that may have been a possibility ??

    One wonders if Eurotunnel management should be reviewing the Indiana Jones movies for some ideas.
  • JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    Casino_Royale said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    With defence and terrorism on the increase there has never been a better time for Labour to elect someone who calls Hezbollah his friends as leader.

    This is how crap the other three leadership contenders are that they've not raised that or his IRA loving comments.

    If they don't then the Tories will.

    The only question for the Tories is how hard and when they shop Corbyn.

    The internal blood-letting in Labour if JC wins shouldn't be distracted from.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,060
    Interesting post 'Ears'

    A moving story and a typical one. A shame that our Prime Minister's only comment on the disaster happening in Calais is to say how tragic it is that some Britons are having their holiday disturbed. Whatever shortcomings Corbyn might have he's at least known to have some compassion.
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    Those who live by the sword....
    https://twitter.com/edwest/status/625929789933789184
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,196
    Moses_ said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    JEO said:

    Theresa May saying that a bunch of the tunnel rushers in Calais got through.

    What does that mean? That they're walking through the tunnel, or emerged at Folkestone clinging to a train?
    There is a central maintenance / emergency escape tunnel in the middle. Suspect that may have been a possibility ??

    One wonders if Eurotunnel management should be reviewing the Indiana Jones movies for some ideas.
    Probably the only solution is they emerge is secure detention.

    Let's face it, they aren't going to be sent back on the next train to France, or anywhere else.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2015
    Moses_ said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    JEO said:

    Theresa May saying that a bunch of the tunnel rushers in Calais got through.

    What does that mean? That they're walking through the tunnel, or emerged at Folkestone clinging to a train?
    There is a central maintenance / emergency escape tunnel in the middle. Suspect that may have been a possibility ??

    One wonders if Eurotunnel management should be reviewing the Indiana Jones movies for some ideas.
    Or watching their CCTV.

    The tunnel's 31 miles long - if someone's going in on foot, you've easily got 4 hours or so to capture them before they pop out at the UK end.
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    Roger said:

    Interesting post 'Ears'

    A moving story and a typical one. A shame that our Prime Minister's only comment on the disaster happening in Calais is to say how tragic it is that some Britons are having their holiday disturbed. Whatever shortcomings Corbyn might have he's at least known to have some compassion.

    Got any spare rooms in your house, Roger? :wink:
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,196
    Roger said:

    Interesting post 'Ears'

    A moving story and a typical one. A shame that our Prime Minister's only comment on the disaster happening in Calais is to say how tragic it is that some Britons are having their holiday disturbed. Whatever shortcomings Corbyn might have he's at least known to have some compassion.

    Give over. These are armed, physically fit, dangerous and aggressive young men who want to illegally enter Britain to improve their financial standing, and have got so far with the help of criminal gangs.

    None of them are war widows or starving kids.

    Not a single one of these men should be admitted. And we would be crazy to do so. For those in genuine need, there is a legal process by which they can apply for asylum in Western countries where the UK can and will take its fair share of refugees.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,756
    6 down.

    Comedy dismissal, shouldered arms and had his furniture rearranged.

    Just like Clarke at Old Trafford in 2005
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2015
    Six down, no shot from Nevill.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,868
    watford30 said:

    Roger said:

    "With defence and terrorism on the increase there has never been a better time for Labour to elect someone who calls Hezbollah his friends as leader.

    This is how crap the other three leadership contenders are that they've not raised that or his IRA loving comments. "


    You're such a Tory Eagle! A pity because in most other respects you're a human being.

    Ah, Roger's back. Did you breach the fence at Coquelles and make a run for it?
    No, he employed four of the residents of Sangatte to carry him through in his sedan chair....
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    With over a million (?) employees in the NHS, most of them voting Labour(?), it's not surprising the numbers for the NHS are large for Labour voters.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,868
    edited July 2015
    duplicate post (somehow!)
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2015
    Disraeli said:

    Roger said:

    Interesting post 'Ears'

    A moving story and a typical one. A shame that our Prime Minister's only comment on the disaster happening in Calais is to say how tragic it is that some Britons are having their holiday disturbed. Whatever shortcomings Corbyn might have he's at least known to have some compassion.

    Got any spare rooms in your house, Roger? :wink:
    We've already established that they don't wish to remain in France, so that rules out Roger's bolt hole on the Riviera as an abode. Maybe he can pay for some rooms in the Groucho? Though I doubt they'd be welcomed with open arms by the other residents.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    I go to make a coffee and another wicket falls!
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited July 2015
    Roger said:

    Interesting post 'Ears'

    A moving story and a typical one. A shame that our Prime Minister's only comment on the disaster happening in Calais is to say how tragic it is that some Britons are having their holiday disturbed. Whatever shortcomings Corbyn might have he's at least known to have some compassion.

    I know....let's all chuck our passports in the bin and just go where we like.
    Scene - airport about to take a flight.

    "hi security no haven't got a passport but want to go to the USA."

    "What I need a visa as well oh ? haven't got one of them either"

    "Tell you what I will sneak onto a baggage truck and storm the airplane and grab a seat. Just like they do at Calais."

    "What do you mean it's illegal and you might have an issue with that?"

    * 60 seconds pass....*

    "Yeah hi officers ...like I was just explaining to this guy here at the desk how I want to go to the USA illegally "

    Next view from floor level ....*sound of handcuffs being applied*
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    If this game goes the way of the first in the series, what a bizarre up and down series it will have been. Very exciting though.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    watford30 said:

    Disraeli said:

    Roger said:

    Interesting post 'Ears'

    A moving story and a typical one. A shame that our Prime Minister's only comment on the disaster happening in Calais is to say how tragic it is that some Britons are having their holiday disturbed. Whatever shortcomings Corbyn might have he's at least known to have some compassion.

    Got any spare rooms in your house, Roger? :wink:
    We've already established that they don't wish to remain in France, so that rules out Roger's bolt hole on the Riviera as an abode. Maybe he can pay for some rooms in the Groucho? Though I doubt they'd be welcomed with open arms by the other residents.
    If there choice was a room in Roger's Riviera abode or a gite in Provence rather than the slums of Paris, then they may well stay in France...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Roger said:

    Interesting post 'Ears'

    A moving story and a typical one. A shame that our Prime Minister's only comment on the disaster happening in Calais is to say how tragic it is that some Britons are having their holiday disturbed. Whatever shortcomings Corbyn might have he's at least known to have some compassion.

    What's wrong with them staying in France or Italy? They have socialist governments, after all.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    DaemonBarber said:

    I go to make a coffee and another wicket falls!

    If you really want to see a batting collapse send TSE to the water closet. .......He has form.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,756
    Seven down. You flaming galahs
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    5-for for Jimmy
    10-2-22-5
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,533
    I can't even go for a p#ss without a wicket going down.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    watford30 said:

    Moses_ said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    JEO said:

    Theresa May saying that a bunch of the tunnel rushers in Calais got through.

    What does that mean? That they're walking through the tunnel, or emerged at Folkestone clinging to a train?
    There is a central maintenance / emergency escape tunnel in the middle. Suspect that may have been a possibility ??

    One wonders if Eurotunnel management should be reviewing the Indiana Jones movies for some ideas.
    Or watching their CCTV.

    The tunnel's 31 miles long - if someone's going in on foot, you've easily got 4 hours or so to capture them before they pop out at the UK end.
    As they would be technically the other side of the UK immigration desk on the French side of the tunnel would that not be considered as having technically entered UK?
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Casino_Royale said:

    Roger said:

    Interesting post 'Ears'

    A moving story and a typical one. A shame that our Prime Minister's only comment on the disaster happening in Calais is to say how tragic it is that some Britons are having their holiday disturbed. Whatever shortcomings Corbyn might have he's at least known to have some compassion.

    Give over. These are armed, physically fit, dangerous and aggressive young men who want to illegally enter Britain to improve their financial standing, and have got so far with the help of criminal gangs.

    None of them are war widows or starving kids.

    Not a single one of these men should be admitted. And we would be crazy to do so. For those in genuine need, there is a legal process by which they can apply for asylum in Western countries where the UK can and will take its fair share of refugees.
    Quite. These are violent men who are willing to smash up private property, break into private vehicles, rush security guards with complete disregard for anyone else. Plus a large number of them will be coming from places where Islamic extremism run rampant, so we would be adding to the terrorist threat in the UK.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,880
    Okay, when was the last time we got the convicts seven down in half a day? After they chose to bat!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,099
    Just took £4 at 38.0 on Jimmy for SPOTTY...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2015
    Maybe it's a myth but England usually seem to play well at Edgbaston and poorly at Lords in the same series.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,060
    Completely OT. An excellent German film by the director of Downfall Oliver Hirschbiegel about the failed assassination attempt on Hitler in 1939 called '13 minutes' being the time Hitler left the building before the bomb went off. Interesting in that I didn't know the story though it's apparently very well known in Germany. Can Labour hope for such a lucky escape?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,756
    Moses_ said:

    DaemonBarber said:

    I go to make a coffee and another wicket falls!

    If you really want to see a batting collapse send TSE to the water closet. .......He has form.
    It was my bladder was responsible for England winning at Edgbaston in 2005.

    The ECB are yet to acknowledge in contribution.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,903
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Seven down. You flaming galahs

    Aussies collapsing like the Pakistanis in December 1971?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,099
    AndyJS said:

    Maybe it's a myth but England usually seem to play well at Edgbaston and poorly at Lords in the same series.

    Birmingham's grey skies more suited to England than the sunny and flat pitch of Lords.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Casino_Royale said:

    Moses_ said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    JEO said:

    Theresa May saying that a bunch of the tunnel rushers in Calais got through.

    What does that mean? That they're walking through the tunnel, or emerged at Folkestone clinging to a train?
    There is a central maintenance / emergency escape tunnel in the middle. Suspect that may have been a possibility ??

    One wonders if Eurotunnel management should be reviewing the Indiana Jones movies for some ideas.
    Probably the only solution is they emerge is secure detention.

    Let's face it, they aren't going to be sent back on the next train to France, or anywhere else.
    Why should we face that? Parliament is sovereign in this country so it is perfectly viable for them to implement a robust response here. If we can confirm they have come from France, a safe country, we should immediately reject any claim for asylum. They can then have a choice of return to France or deportation to their home country, or if that can't be established, Libya.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited July 2015
    Jonathan said:

    Interesting chart comparing what's missing between the Labour and Tory top 10.

    Tory voters concerned about the EU and an ageing population.
    Labour voters concerned about poverty/inequality and low pay.

    Yes. That's why I suggested a little while ago that Labour might consider changing its name, incorporating the word "social" to emphasize that they are not driven religiously by pure egoism, and also perhaps to move a bit from the old union driven class split.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Any moment now TSE will be along with an analogy from antiquity...
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Seven down. You flaming galahs

    Aussies collapsing like the Pakistanis in December 1971?
    Like a cheap deck-chair...
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2015
    Toms said:

    Jonathan said:

    Interesting chart comparing what's missing between the Labour and Tory top 10.

    Tory voters concerned about the EU and an ageing population.
    Labour voters concerned about poverty/inequality and low pay.

    Yes. That's why I suggested a little while ago that Labour might consider changing its name, incorporating the word "social" to emphasize that they are not driven religiously by pure egoism, and also perhaps to move a bit from the old union driven class split.
    One Nation Socialists?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,903
    Moses_ said:

    watford30 said:

    Moses_ said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    JEO said:

    Theresa May saying that a bunch of the tunnel rushers in Calais got through.

    What does that mean? That they're walking through the tunnel, or emerged at Folkestone clinging to a train?
    There is a central maintenance / emergency escape tunnel in the middle. Suspect that may have been a possibility ??

    One wonders if Eurotunnel management should be reviewing the Indiana Jones movies for some ideas.
    Or watching their CCTV.

    The tunnel's 31 miles long - if someone's going in on foot, you've easily got 4 hours or so to capture them before they pop out at the UK end.
    As they would be technically the other side of the UK immigration desk on the French side of the tunnel would that not be considered as having technically entered UK?
    When I went to Amsterdam via Eurostar back in April, I noted with interest that UK Immigration is at St Pancras going towards France, but at Brussels (and presumably Lille/Calais-Frethun/Paris) going towards the UK.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,850
    AndyJS said:

    Roger said:

    Interesting post 'Ears'

    A moving story and a typical one. A shame that our Prime Minister's only comment on the disaster happening in Calais is to say how tragic it is that some Britons are having their holiday disturbed. Whatever shortcomings Corbyn might have he's at least known to have some compassion.

    What's wrong with them staying in France or Italy? They have socialist governments, after all.
    Of course the UK PM should extend his sympathies to those people who find themselves disturbed by the illegal activities of those seeking to gain illegal access to the UK.

    We have no duty of care towards ANYONE trying to enter the UK illegally. We are under no obligation to care for economic migrants who try to break the law to gain access to our shores.

    We do have an obligation to fulfill our international obligation to asylum seekers - but that doesn't apply in these cases. Asylum seekers are obliged to claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. They can't go on a European tour to get to us.

    I do feel sympathy for those who are so desperate for a life in the UK that they risk their own lives. But I do not believe we have any moral or political obligation to make the life of illegal economic migrants easy.

    We should be working with France to massively boost security in the area - including troops from both nations if necessary. The French must take responsibility for clearing the camp and for ensuring no such community is ever allowed to establish itself there (or anywhere else for that matter)

    We need major action and need it now. Ignore EU law, just make it happen. Restore a secure perimeter and work with the French to get Sangatte camp destroyed. Without that primary focus, the gangs would not have an easy route through and the situation would start to be resolved.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,756
    edited July 2015
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Seven down. You flaming galahs

    Aussies collapsing like the Pakistanis in December 1971?
    Like the Bulgars at the Battle of Kleidion.

    Coincidentally today is the 1,001st anniversary of the Battle of Kleidion
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    oxfordsimon said:

    AndyJS said:

    Roger said:

    Interesting post 'Ears'

    A moving story and a typical one. A shame that our Prime Minister's only comment on the disaster happening in Calais is to say how tragic it is that some Britons are having their holiday disturbed. Whatever shortcomings Corbyn might have he's at least known to have some compassion.

    What's wrong with them staying in France or Italy? They have socialist governments, after all.

    We need major action and need it now. Ignore EU law, just make it happen. Restore a secure perimeter and work with the French to get Sangatte camp destroyed. Without that primary focus, the gangs would not have an easy route through and the situation would start to be resolved.
    Numbers there have hit a critical mass. 500 pose no threat; 000's can and do overwhelm existing security.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,196
    JEO said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Moses_ said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    JEO said:

    Theresa May saying that a bunch of the tunnel rushers in Calais got through.

    What does that mean? That they're walking through the tunnel, or emerged at Folkestone clinging to a train?
    There is a central maintenance / emergency escape tunnel in the middle. Suspect that may have been a possibility ??

    One wonders if Eurotunnel management should be reviewing the Indiana Jones movies for some ideas.
    Probably the only solution is they emerge is secure detention.

    Let's face it, they aren't going to be sent back on the next train to France, or anywhere else.
    Why should we face that? Parliament is sovereign in this country so it is perfectly viable for them to implement a robust response here. If we can confirm they have come from France, a safe country, we should immediately reject any claim for asylum. They can then have a choice of return to France or deportation to their home country, or if that can't be established, Libya.
    I agree. But the problem is the HRA, ECJ and ECHR and the bleeding hearts (downthread) who know how to work the innate generosity of our legal system. Our politicians don't want to fight that.

    To all intents and purposes, if they touch British soil, a good 80%+ of them will be staying for good.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,756
    DaemonBarber said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Seven down. You flaming galahs

    Aussies collapsing like the Pakistanis in December 1971?
    Like a cheap deck-chair...
    They are going down easier and quicker than a cheap hooker on Lord Sewel.

    You can all thank me later for that image.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,831
    Jonathan said:

    Interesting chart comparing what's missing between the Labour and Tory top 10.

    Tory voters concerned about the EU and an ageing population.
    Labour voters concerned about poverty/inequality and low pay.

    Why are Tory voters concerned about an aging population - pensioners vote Tory, after all.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,891
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    I dislike the bundling of poverty and inequality. It's possible for a society to have total poverty and zero inequality, or very low poverty and great inequality.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    I thought we were supposed to have seen the back of the rain for the day... Aleem Dar don't like the rain.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,903
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Seven down. You flaming galahs

    Aussies collapsing like the Pakistanis in December 1971?
    Like the Bulgars at the Battle of Kleidion.

    As an aside, today is the 1,001th anniversary of the Battle of Kleidion
    It's also the 867th anniversary of the Fall of Damascus during the 2nd Crusade.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,537
    watford30 said:

    oxfordsimon said:

    AndyJS said:

    Roger said:

    Interesting post 'Ears'

    A moving story and a typical one. A shame that our Prime Minister's only comment on the disaster happening in Calais is to say how tragic it is that some Britons are having their holiday disturbed. Whatever shortcomings Corbyn might have he's at least known to have some compassion.

    What's wrong with them staying in France or Italy? They have socialist governments, after all.

    We need major action and need it now. Ignore EU law, just make it happen. Restore a secure perimeter and work with the French to get Sangatte camp destroyed. Without that primary focus, the gangs would not have an easy route through and the situation would start to be resolved.
    Numbers there have hit a critical mass. 500 pose no threat; 000's can and do overwhelm existing security.
    Start using live rounds if necessary.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Moses_ said:

    watford30 said:

    Moses_ said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    JEO said:

    Theresa May saying that a bunch of the tunnel rushers in Calais got through.

    What does that mean? That they're walking through the tunnel, or emerged at Folkestone clinging to a train?
    There is a central maintenance / emergency escape tunnel in the middle. Suspect that may have been a possibility ??

    One wonders if Eurotunnel management should be reviewing the Indiana Jones movies for some ideas.
    Or watching their CCTV.

    The tunnel's 31 miles long - if someone's going in on foot, you've easily got 4 hours or so to capture them before they pop out at the UK end.
    As they would be technically the other side of the UK immigration desk on the French side of the tunnel would that not be considered as having technically entered UK?
    When I went to Amsterdam via Eurostar back in April, I noted with interest that UK Immigration is at St Pancras going towards France, but at Brussels (and presumably Lille/Calais-Frethun/Paris) going towards the UK.
    Yes I remember now.
    So simply crossing the fence achieves the same perhaps?

    This reminds me of a German motorbike, the Swiss border and a top Hollywood star.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    watford30 said:

    Toms said:

    Jonathan said:

    Interesting chart comparing what's missing between the Labour and Tory top 10.

    Tory voters concerned about the EU and an ageing population.
    Labour voters concerned about poverty/inequality and low pay.

    Yes. That's why I suggested a little while ago that Labour might consider changing its name, incorporating the word "social" to emphasize that they are not driven religiously by pure egoism, and also perhaps to move a bit from the old union driven class split.
    One Nation Socialists?
    Something like that--the "one nation" may have potential---but does the word "socialist" conjure up the word "commie"?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2015
    "I do feel sympathy for those who are so desperate for a life in the UK that they risk their own lives."

    A life in France or Italy can't be that bad for these migrants. They must think the streets of London are paved with gold in order to risk their lives to go from France to the UK.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    What is the legal basis for the "first safe country" rule? Can we really deport people not back to their home country but to France, Spain or Italy?
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    Cameron on King Abdullah: ‘He will be remembered for his long years of service to the Kingdom, for his commitment to peace and for strengthening understanding between faiths’.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,756
    Toms said:

    watford30 said:

    Toms said:

    Jonathan said:

    Interesting chart comparing what's missing between the Labour and Tory top 10.

    Tory voters concerned about the EU and an ageing population.
    Labour voters concerned about poverty/inequality and low pay.

    Yes. That's why I suggested a little while ago that Labour might consider changing its name, incorporating the word "social" to emphasize that they are not driven religiously by pure egoism, and also perhaps to move a bit from the old union driven class split.
    One Nation Socialists?
    Something like that--the "one nation" may have potential---but does the word "socialist" conjure up the word "commie"?
    No, will lead to confusion with the Nationalist Socialists of the SNP
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Casino_Royale said:

    JEO said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Moses_ said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    JEO said:

    Theresa May saying that a bunch of the tunnel rushers in Calais got through.

    What does that mean? That they're walking through the tunnel, or emerged at Folkestone clinging to a train?
    There is a central maintenance / emergency escape tunnel in the middle. Suspect that may have been a possibility ??

    One wonders if Eurotunnel management should be reviewing the Indiana Jones movies for some ideas.
    Probably the only solution is they emerge is secure detention.

    Let's face it, they aren't going to be sent back on the next train to France, or anywhere else.
    Why should we face that? Parliament is sovereign in this country so it is perfectly viable for them to implement a robust response here. If we can confirm they have come from France, a safe country, we should immediately reject any claim for asylum. They can then have a choice of return to France or deportation to their home country, or if that can't be established, Libya.
    I agree. But the problem is the HRA, ECJ and ECHR and the bleeding hearts (downthread) who know how to work the innate generosity of our legal system. Our politicians don't want to fight that.

    To all intents and purposes, if they touch British soil, a good 80%+ of them will be staying for good.
    Then change the law. That's what Parliament is there for. Labour would get destroyed if they resisted. If the European Courts protest, fold it into the renegotiation. It would be an easy win as it would be the EU accepting the by then existing system.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,537
    JWisemann said:

    Cameron on King Abdullah: ‘He will be remembered for his long years of service to the Kingdom, for his commitment to peace and for strengthening understanding between faiths’.

    All governments say that kind of guff when a Head of State dies.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,756
    JWisemann said:

    Cameron on King Abdullah: ‘He will be remembered for his long years of service to the Kingdom, for his commitment to peace and for strengthening understanding between faiths’.

    Still banging on about Muslims. Sure you're not EDLer?
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    JWisemann said:

    The difference is Corbyn will actually fight back against the party who were/are good friends with Saddam Hussein, Pinochet, the terrorists of House Saud, Apartheid South Africa and Pol Pot, amongst many other pleasant characters.

    Only if he is really stupid.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827263/Blair-signed-secret-contract-Saudi-oil-firm-promising-41-000-month-slice-deals-helped-broker.html
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/23/-sp-blair-gaddafi-letter-thanks-spy-cooperation-libya-uk-dissidents
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/07/chile.pinochet
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,537
    JEO said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    JEO said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Moses_ said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    JEO said:

    Theresa May saying that a bunch of the tunnel rushers in Calais got through.

    What does that mean? That they're walking through the tunnel, or emerged at Folkestone clinging to a train?
    There is a central maintenance / emergency escape tunnel in the middle. Suspect that may have been a possibility ??

    One wonders if Eurotunnel management should be reviewing the Indiana Jones movies for some ideas.
    Probably the only solution is they emerge is secure detention.

    Let's face it, they aren't going to be sent back on the next train to France, or anywhere else.
    Why should we face that? Parliament is sovereign in this country so it is perfectly viable for them to implement a robust response here. If we can confirm they have come from France, a safe country, we should immediately reject any claim for asylum. They can then have a choice of return to France or deportation to their home country, or if that can't be established, Libya.
    I agree. But the problem is the HRA, ECJ and ECHR and the bleeding hearts (downthread) who know how to work the innate generosity of our legal system. Our politicians don't want to fight that.

    To all intents and purposes, if they touch British soil, a good 80%+ of them will be staying for good.
    Then change the law. That's what Parliament is there for. Labour would get destroyed if they resisted. If the European Courts protest, fold it into the renegotiation. It would be an easy win as it would be the EU accepting the by then existing system.
    Now that the Conservatives have a majority (plus the backing of Douglas Carswell and the Unionists on this issue) they should push through whatever primary legislation is needed.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DaemonBarber said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Seven down. You flaming galahs

    Aussies collapsing like the Pakistanis in December 1971?
    Like a cheap deck-chair...
    They are going down easier and quicker than a cheap hooker on Lord Sewel.

    You can all thank me later for that image.
    Shudder...

    The score card is not pretty reading. Only Rogers with anything worth note:
    CJL Rogers not out 50
    DA Warner lbw b Anderson 2
    SPD Smith c Cook b Finn 7
    MJ Clarke* b Finn 10
    AC Voges c †Buttler b Anderson 16
    MR Marsh c †Buttler b Anderson 0
    PM Nevill† b Anderson 2
    VMG Johnson c Stokes b Anderson 3
    MA Starc not out 1
    Extras (lb 7, nb 1) 8

    Extras contributed more to the total than 5 of the batsmen
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,850
    AndyJS said:

    "I do feel sympathy for those who are so desperate for a life in the UK that they risk their own lives."

    A life in France or Italy can't be that bad for these migrants. They must think the streets of London are paved with gold in order to risk their lives to go from France to the UK.

    They are deluded - but to risk jumping on a moving train/lorry, you aren't in your right mind.

    I do have sympathy for them. But they have no right to try enter the UK illegally. So my sympathy is limited
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