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Boris Johnson’s relationship with the capital’s black cab trade has become further troubled after the Sun and Daily Mail newspapers released a video showing the mayor of London on his bicycle telling a taxi driver “to f*ck off and die – and not in that order”.
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If it were Prescott, he would have punched him.
i don't it'll damage Boris at all, taxi drivers can take as much as they give.0 -
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OT for those that like these sorts of things, the telegraph has a fantastic commentary on Waterloo running through the day updating in real time +200years
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/battle-of-waterloo/11676475/The-Battle-of-Waterloo-as-it-happened-on-June-18-1815-live.html0 -
Adding to gaiety once more.0
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BICIMOL?0
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This sort of incident will add to the doubts which many Conservatives already have about Boris - attidtudes towards him are ambivalent.
He's a lay at current odds IMO.0 -
Tories love him and everything he does. I don´t.0
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''He's a lay at current odds IMO. ''
He is a winner, though...0 -
I have no sympathy with cabbies. Plenty of whom I've found to be rude and aggressive in the past. They operate a closed shop, and act like it, but that's no reason for Boris to sink to their level.
I can't see Boris as next Tory leader or PM I'm afraid.0 -
Biker in a row with taxi driver in middle of a busy street "shock".
Yawn.
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Casino_Royale said:
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More like Marshall Soult - isn't really in charge and misses the battle entirely.
Tom Watson = Marshall Ney
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Soult WAS at Waterloo.
Aren't you thinking of Grouchy? (Later to star of course in the hit Disney movie "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs")0 -
Cooper has absolubtely smashed in on Betfair just laid some off at 3.6
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Argh. Correct. I did mean Grouchy!Disraeli said:FPT
Casino_Royale said:
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More like Marshall Soult - isn't really in charge and misses the battle entirely.
Tom Watson = Marshall Ney
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Soult WAS at Waterloo.
Aren't you thinking of Grouchy? (Later to star of course in the hit Disney movie "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs")
Soult was still shit though.0 -
I have no idea what Uber drivers are.0
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Bojo, giving as good as he gets, and no one bats an eyelid. – so easy when you are popular.
@Richard_Nabavi – cheers for the link, a novel way of reporting the events of the day, 1815.
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Don't remember getting Catullus 16 to translate in my higher Latin. Seems a little more colourful than Pliny, Horace and Virgil.
This kind of thing may not damage Boris but it doesn't impress a lot of people including me.0 -
The adrenaline is up when you're on a bike and a car user starts acting up !
Least Boris didn't call him a quisling or pleb.. !0 -
It might not effect his general popularity, but he's already fighting an uphill battle to come across as suitable as Prime Minister. If Cameron leaves the job a year early, the stand in Prime Minister will have to be ready straight away, there'll be no time to grow into the role.0
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One of several Oh Why Oh Why Didn't General Bonaparte Install Democracy on Britain pieces from The Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/17/napoleon-dream-died-waterloo-200th-anniversary-triumph-reaction
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I do not see Boris as PM, I see Osborne; but he is currently Mayor of London. I find both cyclists and cabbies a pain in the neck so there is nothing unusual about that exchange. The fact is Boris was on a bike and badmouthing a cabby, it proves he is not in the westminster bubble. It proves he is normal. Otherwise politics has nothing to do with it. The papers are barking up the wrong tree.Casino_Royale said:I have no sympathy with cabbies. Plenty of whom I've found to be rude and aggressive in the past. They operate a closed shop, and act like it, but that's no reason for Boris to sink to their level.
I can't see Boris as next Tory leader or PM I'm afraid.
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Now that Osborne is favourite to be next PM I think we should expect to see the knives out for him for all quarters, left right and centre.0 -
At the time in the UK, parliament was more powerful than the monarchy. In Napoleon's France, he was an absolute monarch. The system the British and other powers put in place in the restoration after Waterloo was a constitutional monarchy.dr_spyn said:One of several Oh Why Oh Why Didn't General Bonaparte Install Democracy on Britain pieces from The Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/17/napoleon-dream-died-waterloo-200th-anniversary-triumph-reaction
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Yes but it was a parliament dominated by the House of Lords.JEO said:
At the time in the UK, parliament was more powerful than the monarchy. In Napoleon's France, he was an absolute monarch. The system the British and other powers put in place in the restoration after Waterloo was a constitutional monarchy.dr_spyn said:One of several Oh Why Oh Why Didn't General Bonaparte Install Democracy on Britain pieces from The Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/17/napoleon-dream-died-waterloo-200th-anniversary-triumph-reaction
Bicorn Hat tip to @SeanT
We in Britain can dream, I suppose, that one day our assemblies will be elected. It may be far off and most likely only happen after the UK has ceased to exist.0 -
Amazing how Kettle ignores that, and the frequent spats between Britain and the illiberal post Napoleonic regimes in France, Austria, and Russia.JEO said:
At the time in the UK, parliament was more powerful than the monarchy. In Napoleon's France, he was an absolute monarch. The system the British and other powers put in place in the restoration after Waterloo was a constitutional monarchy.dr_spyn said:One of several Oh Why Oh Why Didn't General Bonaparte Install Democracy on Britain pieces from The Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/17/napoleon-dream-died-waterloo-200th-anniversary-triumph-reaction
Bicorn Hat tip to @SeanT
Then Michael White has his pennyworth - as far as I recall Napoleon dismissed Wellesley as a Sepoy General not as a bad General.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/blog/2015/jun/17/europe-has-much-to-learn-from-the-battle-of-waterloo
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Johnson turns off as many Tory voters as he turns on. He's wholly unsuitable to be PM, and never will be.Artist said:It might not effect his general popularity, but he's already fighting an uphill battle to come across as suitable as Prime Minister. If Cameron leaves the job a year early, the stand in Prime Minister will have to be ready straight away, there'll be no time to grow into the role.
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No, it wasn't. The Commons was the most powerful House, and was the base of support of the Prime Minister, the Rt Hon. William Pitt MP.Dair said:
Yes but it was a parliament dominated by the House of Lords.JEO said:
At the time in the UK, parliament was more powerful than the monarchy. In Napoleon's France, he was an absolute monarch. The system the British and other powers put in place in the restoration after Waterloo was a constitutional monarchy.dr_spyn said:One of several Oh Why Oh Why Didn't General Bonaparte Install Democracy on Britain pieces from The Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/17/napoleon-dream-died-waterloo-200th-anniversary-triumph-reaction
Bicorn Hat tip to @SeanT
We in Britain can dream, I suppose, that one day our assemblies will be elected. It may be far off and most likely only happen after the UK has ceased to exist.0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.
A Corsican pig farmer was never going to be a match for a British footwear designer.
Boris has a couple of potentially fatal flaws. First off, would the PCP be happy with him, or at least tolerate him, as PM? Secondly, does Boris' appeal fly beyond Watford Gap? Being popular in the South is as useful to a Conservative leader as a Labour leader who's liked in Newcastle or Liverpool. The point of a leader is to take enemy territory [as it were].
Miliband was supremely well-liked in metropolitan corners of the country. Much good it did him.
Edited extra bit: I may have exaggerated the popularity of Miliband. In my defence, it's easy to do.0 -
'BI*CIMOL'Sunil_Prasannan said:BICIMOL?
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I'll go 33s on Lewis, any stake you likeTheScreamingEagles said:@LadPolitics: Latest Labour Leader odds
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9/4 Cooper
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14/1 Corbyn
20/1 Stewart Lewis
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Lewis hasn't put a foot wrong so far.TheScreamingEagles said:@LadPolitics: Latest Labour Leader odds
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9/4 Cooper
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14/1 Corbyn
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On topic I think the comparison with Mitchell is false. If Mitchell had only sworn at the police - as wrong as that might be - then there would not have been the uproar that ensued. It was the claimed use of the word pleb - implying the police were somehow inferior to an MP and an innate sense of privilege on the part of Mitchell - that was the real cause of his reputation being mauled.
Boris has just reacted in the way that many of us would to being abused by a cabbie. Not saying it is right but the reaction is one of a normal person.0 -
Grexit update:
I've just heard from my source inside the German negotiating team that they are confident a deal will happen, albeit not until the 59th minute of the 11th hour next week. His view is that Tsipiras knows he won't be able to get Syriza to back the deal unless he is seen to have fought to the very last minute. His view is also that the Greeks will cave (to some degree) on pensions. The quid pro quo is that the German will, for the first time, allow the agreement to mention "debt restructuring".0 -
Mr. 1000, bit tedious of them.
Cheers for the update, though. Do you think we'll be back here in a month or so?0 -
And the month after... and the month after...Morris_Dancer said:Mr. 1000, bit tedious of them.
Cheers for the update, though. Do you think we'll be back here in a month or so?
Seriously: I think he (my contact) is wrong regarding Tsipras managing to get Syriza to follow him. I think the left wing of Syriza is completely bat shit crazy.
The dumb bit is that Greece *should* leave the Euro. But it should do it with a sensible government with sensible economic policies. The likely response of Syriza to rising petrol prices will be to either ban price rises or to increase the minimum wage/pensions so all can have prizes.0 -
Also: Andrew Mitchell was completely innocent.Richard_Tyndall said:On topic I think the comparison with Mitchell is false. If Mitchell had only sworn at the police - as wrong as that might be - then there would not have been the uproar that ensued. It was the claimed use of the word pleb - implying the police were somehow inferior to an MP and an innate sense of privilege on the part of Mitchell - that was the real cause of his reputation being mauled.
Boris has just reacted in the way that many of us would to being abused by a cabbie. Not saying it is right but the reaction is one of a normal person.0 -
Mr. 1000, so, Syriza crumbles and fresh elections occur?
At first I misread and thought you'd said Syriza would respond to rising petrol prices by banning petrol
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Hizzoner didn't think sorcs1000 said:
Also: Andrew Mitchell was completely innocent.Richard_Tyndall said:On topic I think the comparison with Mitchell is false. If Mitchell had only sworn at the police - as wrong as that might be - then there would not have been the uproar that ensued. It was the claimed use of the word pleb - implying the police were somehow inferior to an MP and an innate sense of privilege on the part of Mitchell - that was the real cause of his reputation being mauled.
Boris has just reacted in the way that many of us would to being abused by a cabbie. Not saying it is right but the reaction is one of a normal person.0 -
One of the nice things about the 2015 GE was Andrew Mitchell increasing his vote share.
It shows the great British public can see through media and Labour invention.0 -
That would be my guess. I wouldn't be surprised to see a result like:Morris_Dancer said:Mr. 1000, so, Syriza crumbles and fresh elections occur?
At first I misread and thought you'd said Syriza would respond to rising petrol prices by banning petrol
20% New SYRIZA
20% Even Newer SYRIZA
20% New Democracy0 -
OT For any LEGO fans out there - there's a super docu about the Secret World Of LEGO on C4 - hope you can find it on 4OD.0
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Mr. 1000, be key to see who got most votes/seats, though, as the top party gets a 50 seat bonus.0
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Being the least unpopular doesn't help you if you get the least first preferences.Richard_Nabavi said:
You don't need passion to win under AV. You just need to be the less unpopular of the two who are left standing after eliminations and transfers. (TSE can run a thread to explain...)handandmouse said:It's rather early in the process, but here's my prediction:
Yvette Cooper will finish last.
I'm seeing passion for Burnham, Kendall, and of course Corbyn. For Cooper, next to nothing. Kendall performed poorly at the hustings but has firm support from influential thinkers. Burnham is the continuity candidate. It's not clear what Cooper offers other than 'first woman leader'. I don't think that's enough.
Corbyn is still overpriced.0 -
Amusing comment from there:dr_spyn said:One of several Oh Why Oh Why Didn't General Bonaparte Install Democracy on Britain pieces from The Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/17/napoleon-dream-died-waterloo-200th-anniversary-triumph-reaction
Bicorn Hat tip to @SeanT
When the Eurostar first started, I was working in France. A French colleague remarked that the English must have chosen to run the Eurostar into Waterloo as a deliberate insult. "We had no choice", I said. "Why's that?" "Because London does not have an Agincourt station". That shut the smarmy Parisian f*cker up!0 -
Could be *very* interesting...Morris_Dancer said:Mr. 1000, be key to see who got most votes/seats, though, as the top party gets a 50 seat bonus.
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One of my first acts as Prime Minister/Directly Elected Dictator will be to rename some of London's major railway stations.Anorak said:
Amusing comment from there:dr_spyn said:One of several Oh Why Oh Why Didn't General Bonaparte Install Democracy on Britain pieces from The Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/17/napoleon-dream-died-waterloo-200th-anniversary-triumph-reaction
Bicorn Hat tip to @SeanT
When the Eurostar first started, I was working in France. A French colleague remarked that the English must have chosen to run the Eurostar into Waterloo as a deliberate insult. "We had no choice", I said. "Why's that?" "Because London does not have an Agincourt station". That shut the smarmy Parisian f*cker up!
Saint-Pancras becomes Agincourt
Euston becomes Trafalgar
Kings Cross becomes Overlord
Paddington becomes Mers-el-Kébir0 -
Colleen McCullogh had some entertaining Roman insults in her Masters of Rome series.0
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The Scots Greys are charging!!
It will all end in tears.0 -
You can't rename Paddington. LOOK AT YOUR AVATAR, MAN!!TheScreamingEagles said:
One of my first acts as Prime Minister/Directly Elected Dictator will be to rename some of London's major railway stations.Anorak said:
Amusing comment from there:dr_spyn said:One of several Oh Why Oh Why Didn't General Bonaparte Install Democracy on Britain pieces from The Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/17/napoleon-dream-died-waterloo-200th-anniversary-triumph-reaction
Bicorn Hat tip to @SeanT
When the Eurostar first started, I was working in France. A French colleague remarked that the English must have chosen to run the Eurostar into Waterloo as a deliberate insult. "We had no choice", I said. "Why's that?" "Because London does not have an Agincourt station". That shut the smarmy Parisian f*cker up!
Saint-Pancras becomes Agincourt
Euston becomes Trafalgar
Kings Cross becomes Overlord
Paddington becomes Mers-el-Kébir0 -
I think he admitted he swore. It was just the pleb bit that was made up - and of course for the reason I said earlier as it is viewed as far more damaging to Mitchell than simply mouthing a few expletives.rcs1000 said:
Also: Andrew Mitchell was completely innocent.Richard_Tyndall said:On topic I think the comparison with Mitchell is false. If Mitchell had only sworn at the police - as wrong as that might be - then there would not have been the uproar that ensued. It was the claimed use of the word pleb - implying the police were somehow inferior to an MP and an innate sense of privilege on the part of Mitchell - that was the real cause of his reputation being mauled.
Boris has just reacted in the way that many of us would to being abused by a cabbie. Not saying it is right but the reaction is one of a normal person.
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This is superb reading, very good stuff from the usually unreliable Telegraph.Richard_Tyndall said:OT for those that like these sorts of things, the telegraph has a fantastic commentary on Waterloo running through the day updating in real time +200years
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/battle-of-waterloo/11676475/The-Battle-of-Waterloo-as-it-happened-on-June-18-1815-live.html0 -
The French don't have the moral high ground on naming stations, Gare d'Austerlitz for example.Anorak said:
Amusing comment from there:dr_spyn said:One of several Oh Why Oh Why Didn't General Bonaparte Install Democracy on Britain pieces from The Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/17/napoleon-dream-died-waterloo-200th-anniversary-triumph-reaction
Bicorn Hat tip to @SeanT
When the Eurostar first started, I was working in France. A French colleague remarked that the English must have chosen to run the Eurostar into Waterloo as a deliberate insult. "We had no choice", I said. "Why's that?" "Because London does not have an Agincourt station". That shut the smarmy Parisian f*cker up!0 -
Mr Waugh is having some fun at Liz Kendall's expense.
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/611531289590669312/photo/1
More tea, vicar?0 -
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A judge ruled that Andrew Mitchell did likely say pleb:Richard_Tyndall said:
I think he admitted he swore. It was just the pleb bit that was made up - and of course for the reason I said earlier as it is viewed as far more damaging to Mitchell than simply mouthing a few expletives.rcs1000 said:
Also: Andrew Mitchell was completely innocent.Richard_Tyndall said:On topic I think the comparison with Mitchell is false. If Mitchell had only sworn at the police - as wrong as that might be - then there would not have been the uproar that ensued. It was the claimed use of the word pleb - implying the police were somehow inferior to an MP and an innate sense of privilege on the part of Mitchell - that was the real cause of his reputation being mauled.
Boris has just reacted in the way that many of us would to being abused by a cabbie. Not saying it is right but the reaction is one of a normal person.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/27/pleb-andrew-mitchell-loses-libel-case0 -
Colonel Ponsonby, who was one of the commanders in the charge, had both arms broken by sabre cuts, was run though the back with a lance, was used as a shield by a French sniper as he lay on the ground, was ridden over by Prussian cavalry - and survived to become Governor of Malta.Richard_Tyndall said:The Scots Greys are charging!!
It will all end in tears.0 -
That's just our libel system tbh - only thing it proves is which side of the bed the judge got out of that morning.JEO said:
A judge ruled that Andrew Mitchell did likely say pleb:Richard_Tyndall said:
I think he admitted he swore. It was just the pleb bit that was made up - and of course for the reason I said earlier as it is viewed as far more damaging to Mitchell than simply mouthing a few expletives.rcs1000 said:
Also: Andrew Mitchell was completely innocent.Richard_Tyndall said:On topic I think the comparison with Mitchell is false. If Mitchell had only sworn at the police - as wrong as that might be - then there would not have been the uproar that ensued. It was the claimed use of the word pleb - implying the police were somehow inferior to an MP and an innate sense of privilege on the part of Mitchell - that was the real cause of his reputation being mauled.
Boris has just reacted in the way that many of us would to being abused by a cabbie. Not saying it is right but the reaction is one of a normal person.
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MP takes leave of senses.
Paul Waugh retweeted
HuffPostUK Politics @HuffPostUKPol 2h2 hours ago
Giving teenagers the vote will make them vulnerable to sexual abuse, says MP http://huff.to/1eqaXa6
Is Sheerman MP for Barking?0 -
Perhaps his canvassing methods should be investigated.dr_spyn said:MP takes leave of senses.
Paul Waugh retweeted
HuffPostUK Politics @HuffPostUKPol 2h2 hours ago
Giving teenagers the vote will make them vulnerable to sexual abuse, says MP http://huff.to/1eqaXa6
Is Sheerman MP for Barking?
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Very true, but she won't. It does depend on the order of elimination, but if she survives longer than Liz she's got a good chance of winning the whole contest, even if relatively few put her as first choice.williamglenn said:Being the least unpopular doesn't help you if you get the least first preferences.
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Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:
http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html
The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:
- The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
- The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
- The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )
I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "0 -
Lower life expectancy = fewer pensioners?calum said:Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:
http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html
The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:
- The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
- The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
- The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )
I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "0 -
Should add, there must be great regional variation, but Glasgow will bring the overall average down significantly.calum said:Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:
http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html
The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:
- The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
- The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
- The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )
I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "0 -
Brilliant. Added to Spotifyrcs1000 said:
Very amusing song I've just been introduced to:
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Yvette has to beat Liz to win, almost as simple as that. Which puts Burnham in an intriguing position strategically.Richard_Nabavi said:
Very true, but she won't. It does depend on the order of elimination, but if she survives longer than Liz she's got a good chance of winning the whole contest, even if relatively few put her as first choice.williamglenn said:Being the least unpopular doesn't help you if you get the least first preferences.
Interesting special from WH - will the Labour Leader make the GE: 1/4 Yes, 11/4 No. Feels about right.0 -
On this theme, surely Osborne is Marshall Davout?Disraeli said:FPT
Casino_Royale said:
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More like Marshall Soult - isn't really in charge and misses the battle entirely.
Tom Watson = Marshall Ney
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Soult WAS at Waterloo.
Aren't you thinking of Grouchy? (Later to star of course in the hit Disney movie "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs")
Fights his opponents to a draw when on losing ground; wins the occasional stunning victory but allows his boss to take the credit and very nearly buggers the whole thing up with stupid unforced errors0 -
That's not true at all. Mitchell instituted an action for libel against News Group Newspapers. It was common ground that News Group Newspapers' publication was defamatory at common law. It was therefore for News Group Newspapers to prove, on the balance of probabilities, a defence of justification, i.e that what they published was substantially true, which they did. The reverse was of course the case in the slander action Rowland brought against Mitchell, but it cannot be argued that the law was stacked against one side, or was not correctly stated by the judge.Pulpstar said:That's just our libel system tbh - only thing it proves is which side of the bed the judge got out of that morning.
I have some sympathy for Mitchell. The judge, Mitting J, is famously authoritarian, and his conclusions on the facts (which are all but unchallengeable on appeal) seem somewhat questionable. That said, you litigate defamation proceedings at your peril. Who would really gamble hundreds of thousands of pounds on whether a Judge of the Queen's Bench Division would prefer your evidence to that of a serving police officer? He was a fool to have litigated and only has himself to blame.0 -
A Welshman, an Englishman and a Scotsman take part in a 100 metre race.calum said:
I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "
The Welshman wins, the Scotsman comes second and the Englishman third.
The Daily Mail reports the result the next day.
"Welshman wins 100 metre race. Scotsman finishes next to last."0 -
If it wasn't for the five-year wait, I'd say the 1/4 was excellent value. It's one thing moaning about how useless a leader is and and fantasising about defenestrating him or her, it's quite another actually doing it. There's always a reason to delay it, even if lots of the key players actually think it's a good idea.Tissue_Price said:Interesting special from WH - will the Labour Leader make the GE: 1/4 Yes, 11/4 No. Feels about right.
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While Liz has not yet generated the enthusiasm she is going to need, she has shown she can listen and respond adeptly: not just the 'country' rather than 'party' line, but her earlier response to the accusation that she had swallowed the tory manifesto - 'the only thing I've swallowed is the scale of Labour's defeat'.Tissue_Price said:
Yvette has to beat Liz to win, almost as simple as that. Which puts Burnham in an intriguing position strategically.Richard_Nabavi said:
Very true, but she won't. It does depend on the order of elimination, but if she survives longer than Liz she's got a good chance of winning the whole contest, even if relatively few put her as first choice.williamglenn said:Being the least unpopular doesn't help you if you get the least first preferences.
Interesting special from WH - will the Labour Leader make the GE: 1/4 Yes, 11/4 No. Feels about right.
Of all EdM's many failings his flat-footedness in interviews and PMQs was one of the most grievous.0 -
If the Labour leader was to have an unfortunate accident, would WH pay out?Tissue_Price said:
Yvette has to beat Liz to win, almost as simple as that. Which puts Burnham in an intriguing position strategically.Richard_Nabavi said:
Very true, but she won't. It does depend on the order of elimination, but if she survives longer than Liz she's got a good chance of winning the whole contest, even if relatively few put her as first choice.williamglenn said:Being the least unpopular doesn't help you if you get the least first preferences.
Interesting special from WH - will the Labour Leader make the GE: 1/4 Yes, 11/4 No. Feels about right.0 -
That's a great line.ThomasNashe said:
While Liz has not yet generated the enthusiasm she is going to need, she has shown she can listen and respond adeptly: not just the 'country' rather than 'party' line, but her earlier response to the accusation that she had swallowed the tory manifesto - 'the only thing I've swallowed is the scale of Labour's defeat'.Tissue_Price said:
Yvette has to beat Liz to win, almost as simple as that. Which puts Burnham in an intriguing position strategically.Richard_Nabavi said:
Very true, but she won't. It does depend on the order of elimination, but if she survives longer than Liz she's got a good chance of winning the whole contest, even if relatively few put her as first choice.williamglenn said:Being the least unpopular doesn't help you if you get the least first preferences.
Interesting special from WH - will the Labour Leader make the GE: 1/4 Yes, 11/4 No. Feels about right.
Of all EdM's many failings his flat-footedness in interviews and PMQs was one of the most grievous.0 -
Depends, what 'unfortunate accident' were you contemplating?rcs1000 said:If the Labour leader was to have an unfortunate accident, would WH pay out?
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Per the 2011 census - UK over 65 = 16%, Scotland over 65 17% !!ThomasNashe said:
Lower life expectancy = fewer pensioners?calum said:Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:
http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html
The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:
- The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
- The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
- The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )
I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "0 -
Mr. Nashe, just got off the phone with ex-chairman, ex-prophet Miliband. He asked me to convey this message in response to your post:
"What I'm saying is that these strikes are wrong. The government's acted in a reckless and provocative manner."0 -
Perhaps they should be asking why we die so young and have a smaller share of pensioners than the average with the result we have a higher percentage of our population of working age.calum said:Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:
http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html
The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:
- The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
- The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
- The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )
I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "
The trend on Scottish unemployment is not good. Knock on effects of downsizing in the North sea are probably the major cause but it is something our administration should be concerned about.0 -
I remember the trouble Publicity Shy Paddy Power got into, when they offered a market on Barack Obama not serving a full first term when people asked if that covered an assassination,rcs1000 said:
If the Labour leader was to have an unfortunate accident, would WH pay out?Tissue_Price said:
Yvette has to beat Liz to win, almost as simple as that. Which puts Burnham in an intriguing position strategically.Richard_Nabavi said:
Very true, but she won't. It does depend on the order of elimination, but if she survives longer than Liz she's got a good chance of winning the whole contest, even if relatively few put her as first choice.williamglenn said:Being the least unpopular doesn't help you if you get the least first preferences.
Interesting special from WH - will the Labour Leader make the GE: 1/4 Yes, 11/4 No. Feels about right.0 -
Surely the moment that the general public realised Ed was crap?Morris_Dancer said:"What I'm saying is that these strikes are wrong. The government's acted in a reckless and provocative manner."
youtube.com/watch?v=wCem9EZb-YA0 -
Mr. Sandpit, well, the slogan "Ed speaks human" didn't inspire confidence. It was up there with "Ed eats good" or "Ed is potty trained".
Many seem to think the good people of Yorkshire being unimpressed when he refused to say Labour had spent too much was the critical moment in the election.
Edited extra bit: I meant to write 'food', but decided to leave it unchanged.0 -
Fair enough. Perhaps there's more early retirement in the UK? But the most immediate explanation struck me as the being lower life expectancy, given that we know that Glasgow has the lowest rate in Britain, and that it accounts for around a third of the Scotland's population.calum said:
Per the 2011 census - UK over 65 = 16%, Scotland over 65 17% !!ThomasNashe said:
Lower life expectancy = fewer pensioners?calum said:Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:
http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html
The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:
- The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
- The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
- The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )
I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "0 -
The data is for working age people (16-64), so the proportion of pensioners - and, for that matter, children - is an irrelevance.calum said:
Per the 2011 census - UK over 65 = 16%, Scotland over 65 17% !!ThomasNashe said:
Lower life expectancy = fewer pensioners?calum said:Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:
http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html
The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:
- The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
- The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
- The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )
I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "
That's not to say life-expectancy is not an issue, just that it has no bearing on the figures posted by calum.0 -
Wrt the 1926 General Strike, I take it?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Nashe, just got off the phone with ex-chairman, ex-prophet Miliband. He asked me to convey this message in response to your post:
"What I'm saying is that these strikes are wrong. The government's acted in a reckless and provocative manner."0 -
These figures DO NOT include pensioners. They are established based on the Working Age population.DavidL said:
Perhaps they should be asking why we die so young and have a smaller share of pensioners than the average with the result we have a higher percentage of our population of working age.calum said:Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:
http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html
The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:
- The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
- The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
- The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )
I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "
The trend on Scottish unemployment is not good. Knock on effects of downsizing in the North sea are probably the major cause but it is something our administration should be concerned about.0 -
Nice confirmation of Disreali's post.Anorak said:
The data is for working age people (16-64), so the proportion of pensioners - and, for that matter, children - is an irrelevance.calum said:
Per the 2011 census - UK over 65 = 16%, Scotland over 65 17% !!ThomasNashe said:
Lower life expectancy = fewer pensioners?calum said:Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:
http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html
The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:
- The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
- The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
- The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )
I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "
That's not to say life-expectancy is not an issue, just that it has no bearing on the figures posted by calum.
Why didn't you point that out to the anti-Scots using the bogus pensioner claim when criticising the figures Calum originally provided?0 -
Per the 2011 census - UK over 65 = 16%, Scotland over 65 - 17%. I think this reflects the higher level of immigration into rUK.DavidL said:
Perhaps they should be asking why we die so young and have a smaller share of pensioners than the average with the result we have a higher percentage of our population of working age.calum said:Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:
http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html
The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:
- The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
- The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
- The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )
I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "
The trend on Scottish unemployment is not good. Knock on effects of downsizing in the North sea are probably the major cause but it is something our administration should be concerned about.
Fully agree on help required for O&G industry, a real shame that the Coalition decided to play politics delay helping the industry until the budget - per Wood this delay cost jobs:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/oilprices/11349433/Sir-Ian-Wood-urges-George-Osborne-to-cut-oil-tax-by-10pc.html
It was this delay which nearly lost Carmichael's his seat.0 -
7 up for Moore.0
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Ok, I see that now.
Not sure what the explanation is then. Maybe we have fewer non working economically inactive mums?0 -
Are we going to get a thread on how AV impacted the select committee chair elections?0
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What are the numbers for England?calum said:Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:
http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html
The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:
- The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
- The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
- The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )
I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "0 -
The Greeks should draft in Ed Miliband as a negotiator. Merkel would back down just to make it stop.Sandpit said:
Surely the moment that the general public realised Ed was crap?Morris_Dancer said:"What I'm saying is that these strikes are wrong. The government's acted in a reckless and provocative manner."
youtube.com/watch?v=wCem9EZb-YA
"These debts are wrong. The IMF has acted in a reckless and irresponsible manner."0 -
Suspect with Rhodesian and Union of South Africa Flags on jacket.
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-06-18/church-shooting-suspect-received-gun-as-21st-birthday-present/0 -
What on earth are you wibbling on about? It was the post at which, while reading the comments chronologically, I realised that there had been a misunderstanding of the numbers.Dair said:
Nice confirmation of Disreali's post.Anorak said:
The data is for working age people (16-64), so the proportion of pensioners - and, for that matter, children - is an irrelevance.calum said:
Per the 2011 census - UK over 65 = 16%, Scotland over 65 17% !!ThomasNashe said:
Lower life expectancy = fewer pensioners?calum said:Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:
http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html
The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:
- The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
- The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
- The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )
I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "
That's not to say life-expectancy is not an issue, just that it has no bearing on the figures posted by calum.
Why didn't you point that out to the anti-Scots using the bogus pensioner claim when criticising the figures Calum originally provided?
Nice confirmation of SNP-supporters' victim-mentality.0 -
I saw this with a split screen where the buzz phrases get highlighted each time he repeats them. It's such a great example of Waffle Politics.Sandpit said:
Surely the moment that the general public realised Ed was crap?Morris_Dancer said:"What I'm saying is that these strikes are wrong. The government's acted in a reckless and provocative manner."
youtube.com/watch?v=wCem9EZb-YA
Ah found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g4ivIid12o0
