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edited June 2015 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Boris reminds us once again why the normal rules of politics don’t apply to him

Boris Johnson’s relationship with the capital’s black cab trade has become further troubled after the Sun and Daily Mail newspapers released a video showing the mayor of London on his bicycle telling a taxi driver “to f*ck off and die – and not in that order”.

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  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,788
    If it were Prescott, he would have punched him.

    i don't it'll damage Boris at all, taxi drivers can take as much as they give.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    test
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,739
    OT for those that like these sorts of things, the telegraph has a fantastic commentary on Waterloo running through the day updating in real time +200years

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/battle-of-waterloo/11676475/The-Battle-of-Waterloo-as-it-happened-on-June-18-1815-live.html
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Adding to gaiety once more.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,632
    BICIMOL?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    This sort of incident will add to the doubts which many Conservatives already have about Boris - attidtudes towards him are ambivalent.

    He's a lay at current odds IMO.
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    Tories love him and everything he does. I don´t.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''He's a lay at current odds IMO. ''

    He is a winner, though...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451
    I have no sympathy with cabbies. Plenty of whom I've found to be rude and aggressive in the past. They operate a closed shop, and act like it, but that's no reason for Boris to sink to their level.

    I can't see Boris as next Tory leader or PM I'm afraid.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Biker in a row with taxi driver in middle of a busy street "shock".
    Yawn.
    Anything else about Boris?
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    edited June 2015
    FPT
    Casino_Royale said:
    » show previous quotes
    More like Marshall Soult - isn't really in charge and misses the battle entirely.

    Tom Watson = Marshall Ney

    ############
    Soult WAS at Waterloo.
    Aren't you thinking of Grouchy? (Later to star of course in the hit Disney movie "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs")
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,749
    Cooper has absolubtely smashed in on Betfair just laid some off at 3.6 :D
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451
    Disraeli said:

    FPT
    Casino_Royale said:
    » show previous quotes
    More like Marshall Soult - isn't really in charge and misses the battle entirely.

    Tom Watson = Marshall Ney

    ############
    Soult WAS at Waterloo.
    Aren't you thinking of Grouchy? (Later to star of course in the hit Disney movie "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs")

    Argh. Correct. I did mean Grouchy!

    Soult was still shit though.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,475
    I have no idea what Uber drivers are.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Bojo, giving as good as he gets, and no one bats an eyelid. – so easy when you are popular.


    @Richard_Nabavi – cheers for the link, a novel way of reporting the events of the day, 1815.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    I have no idea what Uber drivers are.


    https://www.uber.com/cities/london

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,350
    Don't remember getting Catullus 16 to translate in my higher Latin. Seems a little more colourful than Pliny, Horace and Virgil.

    This kind of thing may not damage Boris but it doesn't impress a lot of people including me.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Pulpstar said:

    Cooper has absolubtely smashed in on Betfair just laid some off at 3.6 :D

    I backed her at 7.6 a few weeks ago.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,749
    The adrenaline is up when you're on a bike and a car user starts acting up !

    Least Boris didn't call him a quisling or pleb.. !
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    It might not effect his general popularity, but he's already fighting an uphill battle to come across as suitable as Prime Minister. If Cameron leaves the job a year early, the stand in Prime Minister will have to be ready straight away, there'll be no time to grow into the role.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,749
    AndyJS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Cooper has absolubtely smashed in on Betfair just laid some off at 3.6 :D

    I backed her at 7.6 a few weeks ago.
    Ye so did I. Of course should have backed more at the time - but overall my next Labour leader betting is looking rosy.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,302
    edited June 2015
    One of several Oh Why Oh Why Didn't General Bonaparte Install Democracy on Britain pieces from The Guardian.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/17/napoleon-dream-died-waterloo-200th-anniversary-triumph-reaction

    Bicorn Hat tip to @SeanT
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    Casino_Royale said:

    I have no sympathy with cabbies. Plenty of whom I've found to be rude and aggressive in the past. They operate a closed shop, and act like it, but that's no reason for Boris to sink to their level.

    I can't see Boris as next Tory leader or PM I'm afraid.

    I do not see Boris as PM, I see Osborne; but he is currently Mayor of London. I find both cyclists and cabbies a pain in the neck so there is nothing unusual about that exchange. The fact is Boris was on a bike and badmouthing a cabby, it proves he is not in the westminster bubble. It proves he is normal. Otherwise politics has nothing to do with it. The papers are barking up the wrong tree.

    PS
    Now that Osborne is favourite to be next PM I think we should expect to see the knives out for him for all quarters, left right and centre.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    edited June 2015
    dr_spyn said:

    One of several Oh Why Oh Why Didn't General Bonaparte Install Democracy on Britain pieces from The Guardian.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/17/napoleon-dream-died-waterloo-200th-anniversary-triumph-reaction

    Bicorn Hat tip to @SeanT

    At the time in the UK, parliament was more powerful than the monarchy. In Napoleon's France, he was an absolute monarch. The system the British and other powers put in place in the restoration after Waterloo was a constitutional monarchy.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Pulpstar said:

    The adrenaline is up when you're on a bike and a car user starts acting up !

    Least Boris didn't call him a quisling or pleb.. !

    Best thing would be to ban car drivers from the road.

    Bastards don't even pay Road Tax!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,738
    edited June 2015
    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/611523156759724034
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    JEO said:

    dr_spyn said:

    One of several Oh Why Oh Why Didn't General Bonaparte Install Democracy on Britain pieces from The Guardian.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/17/napoleon-dream-died-waterloo-200th-anniversary-triumph-reaction

    Bicorn Hat tip to @SeanT

    At the time in the UK, parliament was more powerful than the monarchy. In Napoleon's France, he was an absolute monarch. The system the British and other powers put in place in the restoration after Waterloo was a constitutional monarchy.
    Yes but it was a parliament dominated by the House of Lords.

    We in Britain can dream, I suppose, that one day our assemblies will be elected. It may be far off and most likely only happen after the UK has ceased to exist.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,302
    JEO said:

    dr_spyn said:

    One of several Oh Why Oh Why Didn't General Bonaparte Install Democracy on Britain pieces from The Guardian.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/17/napoleon-dream-died-waterloo-200th-anniversary-triumph-reaction

    Bicorn Hat tip to @SeanT

    At the time in the UK, parliament was more powerful than the monarchy. In Napoleon's France, he was an absolute monarch. The system the British and other powers put in place in the restoration after Waterloo was a constitutional monarchy.
    Amazing how Kettle ignores that, and the frequent spats between Britain and the illiberal post Napoleonic regimes in France, Austria, and Russia.

    Then Michael White has his pennyworth - as far as I recall Napoleon dismissed Wellesley as a Sepoy General not as a bad General.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/blog/2015/jun/17/europe-has-much-to-learn-from-the-battle-of-waterloo
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,749
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Lewis

    Stew played for both Arsenal and Spurs.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited June 2015
    Artist said:

    It might not effect his general popularity, but he's already fighting an uphill battle to come across as suitable as Prime Minister. If Cameron leaves the job a year early, the stand in Prime Minister will have to be ready straight away, there'll be no time to grow into the role.

    Johnson turns off as many Tory voters as he turns on. He's wholly unsuitable to be PM, and never will be.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,738
    edited June 2015
    @LadPolitics: Latest Labour Leader odds

    11/10 Burnham
    9/4 Cooper
    3/1 Kendall
    14/1 Corbyn
    20/1 Stewart Lewis
    #Lewis4Leader
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Dair said:

    JEO said:

    dr_spyn said:

    One of several Oh Why Oh Why Didn't General Bonaparte Install Democracy on Britain pieces from The Guardian.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/17/napoleon-dream-died-waterloo-200th-anniversary-triumph-reaction

    Bicorn Hat tip to @SeanT

    At the time in the UK, parliament was more powerful than the monarchy. In Napoleon's France, he was an absolute monarch. The system the British and other powers put in place in the restoration after Waterloo was a constitutional monarchy.
    Yes but it was a parliament dominated by the House of Lords.

    We in Britain can dream, I suppose, that one day our assemblies will be elected. It may be far off and most likely only happen after the UK has ceased to exist.
    No, it wasn't. The Commons was the most powerful House, and was the base of support of the Prime Minister, the Rt Hon. William Pitt MP.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,136
    edited June 2015
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    A Corsican pig farmer was never going to be a match for a British footwear designer.

    Boris has a couple of potentially fatal flaws. First off, would the PCP be happy with him, or at least tolerate him, as PM? Secondly, does Boris' appeal fly beyond Watford Gap? Being popular in the South is as useful to a Conservative leader as a Labour leader who's liked in Newcastle or Liverpool. The point of a leader is to take enemy territory [as it were].

    Miliband was supremely well-liked in metropolitan corners of the country. Much good it did him.

    Edited extra bit: I may have exaggerated the popularity of Miliband. In my defence, it's easy to do.
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    edited June 2015
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    BICIMOL?

    'BI*CIMOL'
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,749
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @LadPolitics: Latest Labour Leader odds

    11/10 Burnham
    9/4 Cooper
    3/1 Kendall
    14/1 Corbyn
    20/1 Stewart Lewis
    #Lewis4Leader

    I'll go 33s on Lewis, any stake you like :D
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @LadPolitics: Latest Labour Leader odds

    11/10 Burnham
    9/4 Cooper
    3/1 Kendall
    14/1 Corbyn
    20/1 Stewart Lewis
    #Lewis4Leader

    Lewis hasn't put a foot wrong so far.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,739
    On topic I think the comparison with Mitchell is false. If Mitchell had only sworn at the police - as wrong as that might be - then there would not have been the uproar that ensued. It was the claimed use of the word pleb - implying the police were somehow inferior to an MP and an innate sense of privilege on the part of Mitchell - that was the real cause of his reputation being mauled.

    Boris has just reacted in the way that many of us would to being abused by a cabbie. Not saying it is right but the reaction is one of a normal person.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,151
    Grexit update:

    I've just heard from my source inside the German negotiating team that they are confident a deal will happen, albeit not until the 59th minute of the 11th hour next week. His view is that Tsipiras knows he won't be able to get Syriza to back the deal unless he is seen to have fought to the very last minute. His view is also that the Greeks will cave (to some degree) on pensions. The quid pro quo is that the German will, for the first time, allow the agreement to mention "debt restructuring".
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,136
    Mr. 1000, bit tedious of them.

    Cheers for the update, though. Do you think we'll be back here in a month or so?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,151
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. 1000, bit tedious of them.

    Cheers for the update, though. Do you think we'll be back here in a month or so?

    And the month after... and the month after...

    Seriously: I think he (my contact) is wrong regarding Tsipras managing to get Syriza to follow him. I think the left wing of Syriza is completely bat shit crazy.

    The dumb bit is that Greece *should* leave the Euro. But it should do it with a sensible government with sensible economic policies. The likely response of Syriza to rising petrol prices will be to either ban price rises or to increase the minimum wage/pensions so all can have prizes.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,151
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    On topic I think the comparison with Mitchell is false. If Mitchell had only sworn at the police - as wrong as that might be - then there would not have been the uproar that ensued. It was the claimed use of the word pleb - implying the police were somehow inferior to an MP and an innate sense of privilege on the part of Mitchell - that was the real cause of his reputation being mauled.

    Boris has just reacted in the way that many of us would to being abused by a cabbie. Not saying it is right but the reaction is one of a normal person.

    Also: Andrew Mitchell was completely innocent.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,136
    Mr. 1000, so, Syriza crumbles and fresh elections occur?

    At first I misread and thought you'd said Syriza would respond to rising petrol prices by banning petrol :p
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,738
    rcs1000 said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    On topic I think the comparison with Mitchell is false. If Mitchell had only sworn at the police - as wrong as that might be - then there would not have been the uproar that ensued. It was the claimed use of the word pleb - implying the police were somehow inferior to an MP and an innate sense of privilege on the part of Mitchell - that was the real cause of his reputation being mauled.

    Boris has just reacted in the way that many of us would to being abused by a cabbie. Not saying it is right but the reaction is one of a normal person.

    Also: Andrew Mitchell was completely innocent.
    Hizzoner didn't think so
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,234
    One of the nice things about the 2015 GE was Andrew Mitchell increasing his vote share.

    It shows the great British public can see through media and Labour invention.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,151
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. 1000, so, Syriza crumbles and fresh elections occur?

    At first I misread and thought you'd said Syriza would respond to rising petrol prices by banning petrol :p

    That would be my guess. I wouldn't be surprised to see a result like:

    20% New SYRIZA
    20% Even Newer SYRIZA
    20% New Democracy
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    OT For any LEGO fans out there - there's a super docu about the Secret World Of LEGO on C4 - hope you can find it on 4OD.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,136
    Mr. 1000, be key to see who got most votes/seats, though, as the top party gets a 50 seat bonus.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,233
    FPT
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    handandmouse said:

    It's rather early in the process, but here's my prediction:

    Yvette Cooper will finish last.

    I'm seeing passion for Burnham, Kendall, and of course Corbyn. For Cooper, next to nothing. Kendall performed poorly at the hustings but has firm support from influential thinkers. Burnham is the continuity candidate. It's not clear what Cooper offers other than 'first woman leader'. I don't think that's enough.

    Corbyn is still overpriced.

    You don't need passion to win under AV. You just need to be the less unpopular of the two who are left standing after eliminations and transfers. (TSE can run a thread to explain...)
    Being the least unpopular doesn't help you if you get the least first preferences.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited June 2015
    dr_spyn said:

    One of several Oh Why Oh Why Didn't General Bonaparte Install Democracy on Britain pieces from The Guardian.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/17/napoleon-dream-died-waterloo-200th-anniversary-triumph-reaction

    Bicorn Hat tip to @SeanT

    Amusing comment from there:
    When the Eurostar first started, I was working in France. A French colleague remarked that the English must have chosen to run the Eurostar into Waterloo as a deliberate insult. "We had no choice", I said. "Why's that?" "Because London does not have an Agincourt station". That shut the smarmy Parisian f*cker up!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,151
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. 1000, be key to see who got most votes/seats, though, as the top party gets a 50 seat bonus.

    Could be *very* interesting...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,738
    edited June 2015
    Anorak said:

    dr_spyn said:

    One of several Oh Why Oh Why Didn't General Bonaparte Install Democracy on Britain pieces from The Guardian.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/17/napoleon-dream-died-waterloo-200th-anniversary-triumph-reaction

    Bicorn Hat tip to @SeanT

    Amusing comment from there:
    When the Eurostar first started, I was working in France. A French colleague remarked that the English must have chosen to run the Eurostar into Waterloo as a deliberate insult. "We had no choice", I said. "Why's that?" "Because London does not have an Agincourt station". That shut the smarmy Parisian f*cker up!
    One of my first acts as Prime Minister/Directly Elected Dictator will be to rename some of London's major railway stations.

    Saint-Pancras becomes Agincourt

    Euston becomes Trafalgar

    Kings Cross becomes Overlord

    Paddington becomes Mers-el-Kébir
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,873
    Colleen McCullogh had some entertaining Roman insults in her Masters of Rome series.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,739
    The Scots Greys are charging!!

    It will all end in tears.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Anorak said:

    dr_spyn said:

    One of several Oh Why Oh Why Didn't General Bonaparte Install Democracy on Britain pieces from The Guardian.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/17/napoleon-dream-died-waterloo-200th-anniversary-triumph-reaction

    Bicorn Hat tip to @SeanT

    Amusing comment from there:
    When the Eurostar first started, I was working in France. A French colleague remarked that the English must have chosen to run the Eurostar into Waterloo as a deliberate insult. "We had no choice", I said. "Why's that?" "Because London does not have an Agincourt station". That shut the smarmy Parisian f*cker up!
    One of my first acts as Prime Minister/Directly Elected Dictator will be to rename some of London's major railway stations.

    Saint-Pancras becomes Agincourt

    Euston becomes Trafalgar

    Kings Cross becomes Overlord

    Paddington becomes Mers-el-Kébir
    You can't rename Paddington. LOOK AT YOUR AVATAR, MAN!!
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,739
    rcs1000 said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    On topic I think the comparison with Mitchell is false. If Mitchell had only sworn at the police - as wrong as that might be - then there would not have been the uproar that ensued. It was the claimed use of the word pleb - implying the police were somehow inferior to an MP and an innate sense of privilege on the part of Mitchell - that was the real cause of his reputation being mauled.

    Boris has just reacted in the way that many of us would to being abused by a cabbie. Not saying it is right but the reaction is one of a normal person.

    Also: Andrew Mitchell was completely innocent.
    I think he admitted he swore. It was just the pleb bit that was made up - and of course for the reason I said earlier as it is viewed as far more damaging to Mitchell than simply mouthing a few expletives.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    OT for those that like these sorts of things, the telegraph has a fantastic commentary on Waterloo running through the day updating in real time +200years

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/battle-of-waterloo/11676475/The-Battle-of-Waterloo-as-it-happened-on-June-18-1815-live.html

    This is superb reading, very good stuff from the usually unreliable Telegraph.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,302
    Anorak said:

    dr_spyn said:

    One of several Oh Why Oh Why Didn't General Bonaparte Install Democracy on Britain pieces from The Guardian.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/17/napoleon-dream-died-waterloo-200th-anniversary-triumph-reaction

    Bicorn Hat tip to @SeanT

    Amusing comment from there:
    When the Eurostar first started, I was working in France. A French colleague remarked that the English must have chosen to run the Eurostar into Waterloo as a deliberate insult. "We had no choice", I said. "Why's that?" "Because London does not have an Agincourt station". That shut the smarmy Parisian f*cker up!
    The French don't have the moral high ground on naming stations, Gare d'Austerlitz for example.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,302
    Mr Waugh is having some fun at Liz Kendall's expense.

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/611531289590669312/photo/1

    More tea, vicar?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,151
    Very amusing song I've just been introduced to:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5tnQSGRnJc
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    On topic I think the comparison with Mitchell is false. If Mitchell had only sworn at the police - as wrong as that might be - then there would not have been the uproar that ensued. It was the claimed use of the word pleb - implying the police were somehow inferior to an MP and an innate sense of privilege on the part of Mitchell - that was the real cause of his reputation being mauled.

    Boris has just reacted in the way that many of us would to being abused by a cabbie. Not saying it is right but the reaction is one of a normal person.

    Also: Andrew Mitchell was completely innocent.
    I think he admitted he swore. It was just the pleb bit that was made up - and of course for the reason I said earlier as it is viewed as far more damaging to Mitchell than simply mouthing a few expletives.
    A judge ruled that Andrew Mitchell did likely say pleb:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/27/pleb-andrew-mitchell-loses-libel-case
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,873
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    The Scots Greys are charging!!

    It will all end in tears.

    Colonel Ponsonby, who was one of the commanders in the charge, had both arms broken by sabre cuts, was run though the back with a lance, was used as a shield by a French sniper as he lay on the ground, was ridden over by Prussian cavalry - and survived to become Governor of Malta.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,749
    JEO said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    On topic I think the comparison with Mitchell is false. If Mitchell had only sworn at the police - as wrong as that might be - then there would not have been the uproar that ensued. It was the claimed use of the word pleb - implying the police were somehow inferior to an MP and an innate sense of privilege on the part of Mitchell - that was the real cause of his reputation being mauled.

    Boris has just reacted in the way that many of us would to being abused by a cabbie. Not saying it is right but the reaction is one of a normal person.

    Also: Andrew Mitchell was completely innocent.
    I think he admitted he swore. It was just the pleb bit that was made up - and of course for the reason I said earlier as it is viewed as far more damaging to Mitchell than simply mouthing a few expletives.
    A judge ruled that Andrew Mitchell did likely say pleb:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/27/pleb-andrew-mitchell-loses-libel-case
    That's just our libel system tbh - only thing it proves is which side of the bed the judge got out of that morning.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,302
    MP takes leave of senses.

    Paul Waugh retweeted
    HuffPostUK Politics ‏@HuffPostUKPol 2h2 hours ago
    Giving teenagers the vote will make them vulnerable to sexual abuse, says MP http://huff.to/1eqaXa6

    Is Sheerman MP for Barking?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,233
    dr_spyn said:

    MP takes leave of senses.

    Paul Waugh retweeted
    HuffPostUK Politics ‏@HuffPostUKPol 2h2 hours ago
    Giving teenagers the vote will make them vulnerable to sexual abuse, says MP http://huff.to/1eqaXa6

    Is Sheerman MP for Barking?

    Perhaps his canvassing methods should be investigated.

  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    williamglenn said:

    Being the least unpopular doesn't help you if you get the least first preferences.

    Very true, but she won't. It does depend on the order of elimination, but if she survives longer than Liz she's got a good chance of winning the whole contest, even if relatively few put her as first choice.
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:

    http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html

    The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:

    - The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
    - The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
    - The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )

    I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    calum said:

    Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:

    http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html

    The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:

    - The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
    - The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
    - The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )

    I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "

    Lower life expectancy = fewer pensioners?
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    calum said:

    Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:

    http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html

    The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:

    - The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
    - The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
    - The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )

    I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "

    Should add, there must be great regional variation, but Glasgow will bring the overall average down significantly.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Brilliant. Added to Spotify
    rcs1000 said:

    Very amusing song I've just been introduced to:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5tnQSGRnJc

  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited June 2015
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    williamglenn said:

    Being the least unpopular doesn't help you if you get the least first preferences.

    Very true, but she won't. It does depend on the order of elimination, but if she survives longer than Liz she's got a good chance of winning the whole contest, even if relatively few put her as first choice.
    Yvette has to beat Liz to win, almost as simple as that. Which puts Burnham in an intriguing position strategically.

    Interesting special from WH - will the Labour Leader make the GE: 1/4 Yes, 11/4 No. Feels about right.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Disraeli said:

    FPT
    Casino_Royale said:
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    More like Marshall Soult - isn't really in charge and misses the battle entirely.

    Tom Watson = Marshall Ney

    ############
    Soult WAS at Waterloo.
    Aren't you thinking of Grouchy? (Later to star of course in the hit Disney movie "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs")

    On this theme, surely Osborne is Marshall Davout?

    Fights his opponents to a draw when on losing ground; wins the occasional stunning victory but allows his boss to take the credit and very nearly buggers the whole thing up with stupid unforced errors
  • Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    edited June 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    That's just our libel system tbh - only thing it proves is which side of the bed the judge got out of that morning.

    That's not true at all. Mitchell instituted an action for libel against News Group Newspapers. It was common ground that News Group Newspapers' publication was defamatory at common law. It was therefore for News Group Newspapers to prove, on the balance of probabilities, a defence of justification, i.e that what they published was substantially true, which they did. The reverse was of course the case in the slander action Rowland brought against Mitchell, but it cannot be argued that the law was stacked against one side, or was not correctly stated by the judge.

    I have some sympathy for Mitchell. The judge, Mitting J, is famously authoritarian, and his conclusions on the facts (which are all but unchallengeable on appeal) seem somewhat questionable. That said, you litigate defamation proceedings at your peril. Who would really gamble hundreds of thousands of pounds on whether a Judge of the Queen's Bench Division would prefer your evidence to that of a serving police officer? He was a fool to have litigated and only has himself to blame.
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    edited June 2015
    calum said:


    I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "

    A Welshman, an Englishman and a Scotsman take part in a 100 metre race.
    The Welshman wins, the Scotsman comes second and the Englishman third.

    The Daily Mail reports the result the next day.

    "Welshman wins 100 metre race. Scotsman finishes next to last."
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited June 2015
    Tissue_Price said:

    Interesting special from WH - will the Labour Leader make the GE: 1/4 Yes, 11/4 No. Feels about right.

    If it wasn't for the five-year wait, I'd say the 1/4 was excellent value. It's one thing moaning about how useless a leader is and and fantasising about defenestrating him or her, it's quite another actually doing it. There's always a reason to delay it, even if lots of the key players actually think it's a good idea.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    Tissue_Price said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    williamglenn said:

    Being the least unpopular doesn't help you if you get the least first preferences.

    Very true, but she won't. It does depend on the order of elimination, but if she survives longer than Liz she's got a good chance of winning the whole contest, even if relatively few put her as first choice.
    Yvette has to beat Liz to win, almost as simple as that. Which puts Burnham in an intriguing position strategically.

    Interesting special from WH - will the Labour Leader make the GE: 1/4 Yes, 11/4 No. Feels about right.
    While Liz has not yet generated the enthusiasm she is going to need, she has shown she can listen and respond adeptly: not just the 'country' rather than 'party' line, but her earlier response to the accusation that she had swallowed the tory manifesto - 'the only thing I've swallowed is the scale of Labour's defeat'.

    Of all EdM's many failings his flat-footedness in interviews and PMQs was one of the most grievous.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,151
    Tissue_Price said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    williamglenn said:

    Being the least unpopular doesn't help you if you get the least first preferences.

    Very true, but she won't. It does depend on the order of elimination, but if she survives longer than Liz she's got a good chance of winning the whole contest, even if relatively few put her as first choice.
    Yvette has to beat Liz to win, almost as simple as that. Which puts Burnham in an intriguing position strategically.

    Interesting special from WH - will the Labour Leader make the GE: 1/4 Yes, 11/4 No. Feels about right.
    If the Labour leader was to have an unfortunate accident, would WH pay out?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    That's a great line.
    ThomasNashe said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    williamglenn said:

    Being the least unpopular doesn't help you if you get the least first preferences.

    Very true, but she won't. It does depend on the order of elimination, but if she survives longer than Liz she's got a good chance of winning the whole contest, even if relatively few put her as first choice.
    Yvette has to beat Liz to win, almost as simple as that. Which puts Burnham in an intriguing position strategically.

    Interesting special from WH - will the Labour Leader make the GE: 1/4 Yes, 11/4 No. Feels about right.
    While Liz has not yet generated the enthusiasm she is going to need, she has shown she can listen and respond adeptly: not just the 'country' rather than 'party' line, but her earlier response to the accusation that she had swallowed the tory manifesto - 'the only thing I've swallowed is the scale of Labour's defeat'.

    Of all EdM's many failings his flat-footedness in interviews and PMQs was one of the most grievous.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    rcs1000 said:

    If the Labour leader was to have an unfortunate accident, would WH pay out?

    Depends, what 'unfortunate accident' were you contemplating?
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    ThomasNashe said:

    calum said:

    Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:

    http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html

    The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:

    - The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
    - The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
    - The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )

    I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "

    Lower life expectancy = fewer pensioners?
    Per the 2011 census - UK over 65 = 16%, Scotland over 65 17% !!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,136
    edited June 2015
    Mr. Nashe, just got off the phone with ex-chairman, ex-prophet Miliband. He asked me to convey this message in response to your post:

    "What I'm saying is that these strikes are wrong. The government's acted in a reckless and provocative manner."
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,350
    calum said:

    Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:

    http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html

    The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:

    - The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
    - The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
    - The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )

    I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "

    Perhaps they should be asking why we die so young and have a smaller share of pensioners than the average with the result we have a higher percentage of our population of working age.

    The trend on Scottish unemployment is not good. Knock on effects of downsizing in the North sea are probably the major cause but it is something our administration should be concerned about.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,738
    rcs1000 said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    williamglenn said:

    Being the least unpopular doesn't help you if you get the least first preferences.

    Very true, but she won't. It does depend on the order of elimination, but if she survives longer than Liz she's got a good chance of winning the whole contest, even if relatively few put her as first choice.
    Yvette has to beat Liz to win, almost as simple as that. Which puts Burnham in an intriguing position strategically.

    Interesting special from WH - will the Labour Leader make the GE: 1/4 Yes, 11/4 No. Feels about right.
    If the Labour leader was to have an unfortunate accident, would WH pay out?
    I remember the trouble Publicity Shy Paddy Power got into, when they offered a market on Barack Obama not serving a full first term when people asked if that covered an assassination,
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,913
    edited June 2015
    Morris_Dancer said:

    "What I'm saying is that these strikes are wrong. The government's acted in a reckless and provocative manner."

    Surely the moment that the general public realised Ed was crap?
    youtube.com/watch?v=wCem9EZb-YA
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,136
    edited June 2015
    Mr. Sandpit, well, the slogan "Ed speaks human" didn't inspire confidence. It was up there with "Ed eats good" or "Ed is potty trained".

    Many seem to think the good people of Yorkshire being unimpressed when he refused to say Labour had spent too much was the critical moment in the election.

    Edited extra bit: I meant to write 'food', but decided to leave it unchanged.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    calum said:

    ThomasNashe said:

    calum said:

    Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:

    http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html

    The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:

    - The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
    - The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
    - The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )

    I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "

    Lower life expectancy = fewer pensioners?
    Per the 2011 census - UK over 65 = 16%, Scotland over 65 17% !!
    Fair enough. Perhaps there's more early retirement in the UK? But the most immediate explanation struck me as the being lower life expectancy, given that we know that Glasgow has the lowest rate in Britain, and that it accounts for around a third of the Scotland's population.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited June 2015
    calum said:

    ThomasNashe said:

    calum said:

    Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:

    http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html

    The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:

    - The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
    - The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
    - The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )

    I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "

    Lower life expectancy = fewer pensioners?
    Per the 2011 census - UK over 65 = 16%, Scotland over 65 17% !!
    The data is for working age people (16-64), so the proportion of pensioners - and, for that matter, children - is an irrelevance.

    That's not to say life-expectancy is not an issue, just that it has no bearing on the figures posted by calum.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Nashe, just got off the phone with ex-chairman, ex-prophet Miliband. He asked me to convey this message in response to your post:

    "What I'm saying is that these strikes are wrong. The government's acted in a reckless and provocative manner."

    Wrt the 1926 General Strike, I take it?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    DavidL said:

    calum said:

    Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:

    http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html

    The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:

    - The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
    - The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
    - The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )

    I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "

    Perhaps they should be asking why we die so young and have a smaller share of pensioners than the average with the result we have a higher percentage of our population of working age.

    The trend on Scottish unemployment is not good. Knock on effects of downsizing in the North sea are probably the major cause but it is something our administration should be concerned about.
    These figures DO NOT include pensioners. They are established based on the Working Age population.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Anorak said:

    calum said:

    ThomasNashe said:

    calum said:

    Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:

    http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html

    The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:

    - The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
    - The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
    - The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )

    I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "

    Lower life expectancy = fewer pensioners?
    Per the 2011 census - UK over 65 = 16%, Scotland over 65 17% !!
    The data is for working age people (16-64), so the proportion of pensioners - and, for that matter, children - is an irrelevance.

    That's not to say life-expectancy is not an issue, just that it has no bearing on the figures posted by calum.
    Nice confirmation of Disreali's post.

    Why didn't you point that out to the anti-Scots using the bogus pensioner claim when criticising the figures Calum originally provided?
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    DavidL said:

    calum said:

    Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:

    http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html

    The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:

    - The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
    - The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
    - The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )

    I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "

    Perhaps they should be asking why we die so young and have a smaller share of pensioners than the average with the result we have a higher percentage of our population of working age.

    The trend on Scottish unemployment is not good. Knock on effects of downsizing in the North sea are probably the major cause but it is something our administration should be concerned about.
    Per the 2011 census - UK over 65 = 16%, Scotland over 65 - 17%. I think this reflects the higher level of immigration into rUK.

    Fully agree on help required for O&G industry, a real shame that the Coalition decided to play politics delay helping the industry until the budget - per Wood this delay cost jobs:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/oilprices/11349433/Sir-Ian-Wood-urges-George-Osborne-to-cut-oil-tax-by-10pc.html

    It was this delay which nearly lost Carmichael's his seat.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,749
    7 up for Moore.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,350
    Ok, I see that now.

    Not sure what the explanation is then. Maybe we have fewer non working economically inactive mums?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    DavidL said:

    Ok, I see that now.

    Not sure what the explanation is then. Maybe we have fewer non working economically inactive mums?

    Which has been a core SNP economic policy.

    Nicola shoots, she scores.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Are we going to get a thread on how AV impacted the select committee chair elections?
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    calum said:

    Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:

    http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html

    The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:

    - The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
    - The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
    - The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )

    I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "

    What are the numbers for England?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,233
    Sandpit said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    "What I'm saying is that these strikes are wrong. The government's acted in a reckless and provocative manner."

    Surely the moment that the general public realised Ed was crap?
    youtube.com/watch?v=wCem9EZb-YA
    The Greeks should draft in Ed Miliband as a negotiator. Merkel would back down just to make it stop.

    "These debts are wrong. The IMF has acted in a reckless and irresponsible manner."
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,749
    Dair said:

    DavidL said:

    Ok, I see that now.

    Not sure what the explanation is then. Maybe we have fewer non working economically inactive mums?

    Which has been a core SNP economic policy.

    Nicola shoots, she scores.
    Nicola's war on housewives
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,302
    Suspect with Rhodesian and Union of South Africa Flags on jacket.

    http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-06-18/church-shooting-suspect-received-gun-as-21st-birthday-present/
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited June 2015
    Dair said:

    Anorak said:

    calum said:

    ThomasNashe said:

    calum said:

    Looking a bit deeper into the recent employment statistics:

    http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/june-2015/sty-labour-market-statistics--june-2015.html

    The figures for UK with Scotland in brackets:

    - The % of people in employment - 73.4% (74.4% )
    - The % unemployed - 5.5% (5.9% )
    - The % not in labour force - 22.2% (20.8% )

    I'm sure if the % in employment figures were reversed certain newspapers would run a headline of - "Why are the Scots so lazy? "

    Lower life expectancy = fewer pensioners?
    Per the 2011 census - UK over 65 = 16%, Scotland over 65 17% !!
    The data is for working age people (16-64), so the proportion of pensioners - and, for that matter, children - is an irrelevance.

    That's not to say life-expectancy is not an issue, just that it has no bearing on the figures posted by calum.
    Nice confirmation of Disreali's post.

    Why didn't you point that out to the anti-Scots using the bogus pensioner claim when criticising the figures Calum originally provided?
    What on earth are you wibbling on about? It was the post at which, while reading the comments chronologically, I realised that there had been a misunderstanding of the numbers.

    Nice confirmation of SNP-supporters' victim-mentality.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Sandpit said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    "What I'm saying is that these strikes are wrong. The government's acted in a reckless and provocative manner."

    Surely the moment that the general public realised Ed was crap?
    youtube.com/watch?v=wCem9EZb-YA
    I saw this with a split screen where the buzz phrases get highlighted each time he repeats them. It's such a great example of Waffle Politics.

    Ah found it

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g4ivIid12o
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