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You have to feel sorry for people who need to be told who to vote for, whether they be former residents of Kashmir or Sun readers.Peter_the_Punter said:
Sadly, I can fully believe this.Casino_Royale said:Plato said:Postal voting combined with this is so depressing for democracy. order-order.com/2015/05/05/pakistani-speaker-at-sex-segregation-rally-boasted-i-can-tell-people-how-to-vote/#_@/qUfkohofX7FCUg
Chaudhry is the former premier of Kashmir and the MP for Mirpur, in Pakistan. In a 2010 BBC profile, he claimed he “always” visits Britain ahead of general elections in order to tell British-Pakistanis “how to vote“. Chaudhry claims:
“I always come during elections. It’s basically so I can tell people how to vote and who to vote for. Most of the Pakistanis here [in Britain] are from Mirpur, and I am the MP from Mirpur, and I know the issues here and who will be the best candidates to help solve the issues in Kashmir.”
Or fans of Steve Coogan, Eddie Izzard or Delia Smith.0 -
Yes, I think that crossed their minds. Some time ago, actually. :-)FrancisUrquhart said:Miliband confirms he is committed to implementing Leveson proposals
Perhaps another reason why the papers aren't willing to back him.
O/T: Would Square Root like to increase the charity bet on Broxtowe at the same 2-1 odds?
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Poplar & Limehouse (Isle of Dogs)SandyRentool said:Question: How many GB constituencies include islands? Anyone care to list them?
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They have their own parliament (the House of Keys since you asked). God knows when their elections areProdicus said:
Thanet.Peter_the_Punter said:
Castle Point (Canvey Island).Pulpstar said:
Yns MonSandyRentool said:Question: How many GB constituencies include islands? Anyone care to list them?
Western Isles
O&S
Argyll & Bute
Isle of Wight
North Ayrshire Arran...
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Does Isle of Man vote this week?
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Does it ever?Prodicus said:
Thanet.Peter_the_Punter said:
Castle Point (Canvey Island).Pulpstar said:
Yns MonSandyRentool said:Question: How many GB constituencies include islands? Anyone care to list them?
Western Isles
O&S
Argyll & Bute
Isle of Wight
North Ayrshire Arran...
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Does Isle of Man vote this week?0 -
On R5 no less - it's quite brilliant. A single sentence has totally negated the entire point of EdStone. CCHQ must have the negatives of something special.Scrapheap_as_was said:
rubbish, ms. powell has dragged it back to centre stage.OllyT said:
For pity's sake you have posted about the "Edstone" about 6 times in the last hour, everyone has moved on, it's yesterday's news, stop flogging a dead horse.Scott_P said:@SunNation: Just when you thought Labour's #Edstone shambles couldn't get any worse... http://t.co/DNECUslXV7 http://t.co/3rzxRwQYOv
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Welcome (back) to pb.com, Mr. Strypz.0
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You obviously believe the "Edstone" was a cataclysmic political event, given that you have posted about 20 or 30 times in the last 24 hours. When can I expect the polls to swing massively in favour of the Tories then?Scott_P said:0 -
NOM was at 1.14 as recently as Saturday. Crazy price.RodCrosby said:Lab majority 180 on BF
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Another example of why SLAB is in trouble, Kezia Dugdale (SLAB deputy leader), couldn't even name 1 of Ed's 6 pledges:
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Also, Portsmouth South and Portsmouth North. (Portsea Island / Whale Island)Lennon said:
Don't think that anyone has mentioned South-East Cambridgeshire yet.SandyRentool said:Question: How many GB constituencies include islands? Anyone care to list them?
(Isle of Ely)
South Dorset (Brownsea Island, although not fully inhabited)
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Lundy Island: North Devon.0
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Not sure the Palmerstone forts are inhabited. Hell of a way to the shops if they are.Carnyx said:
I was wondering if the Thames and Humber forts (and were they not in the Mersey too?) qualify.Peter_the_Punter said:
Canvey is definitely inhabitable, and inhabited, though one may reasonably ask why.Carnyx said:
You need to define if habitable/inhabited - if the latter then the following are possible, thugh many were only lighthouse keepers and/or are desertedPeter_the_Punter said:
Castle Point (Canvey Island).Pulpstar said:
Yns MonSandyRentool said:Question: How many GB constituencies include islands? Anyone care to list them?
Western Isles
O&S
Argyll & Bute
Isle of Wight
North Ayrshire Arran...
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Ross, Skye and Lochaber (Summer Isles etc.)
Caithness etc (Stroma?)
Those constituencies in Lothian and Fife which include the Forth islands from the Bridge outwards to May and, round the corner, the Bell Rock
Whichever in SW England has the Eddystone
The Palmerston forts in the Solent are - presumably - covered by the IoW/Pompey constituencies, but I'm not sure about the equivalents out in the approaches to Plymouth and the Tamar.0 -
Welcome back Mr Starz!StarzandStrypz said:
We in the U.S. have had THREE major national executive/legislative elections since the last time you election-starved Brits had one (and you've only had one parliamentary election in ten years!). Given the scarcity, I'm glad you've decided to make it exciting by sending it down to the wire.
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To be fair, not thinking that any of the Six Platitudes are worth committing to memory is surely evidence in Kezia Dugdale's favour.calum said:Another example of why SLAB is in trouble, Kezia Dugdale (SLAB deputy leader), couldn't even name 1 of Ed's 6 pledges:
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I think Lucy Powell's smashing of Edstone is interesting and entertainingOllyT said:You obviously believe the "Edstone" was a cataclysmic political event
@MediaGuido: Now @labourpress are yelling at journalists who have tweeted Lucy Powell story demanding they say she was misquoted. Wheels coming off.
From the BBC live blogMy advice to Lucy Powell would be. 1. Don`t do any more media interviews. Too many lately have finished in, "car crashes." 2. When in a hole, stop digging. You only draw further attention to yourself.
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you've come to the right place thenStereotomy said:
A stage whose audience consists entirely of anoraksScrapheap_as_was said:
rubbish, ms. powell has dragged it back to centre stage.OllyT said:
For pity's sake you have posted about the "Edstone" about 6 times in the last hour, everyone has moved on, it's yesterday's news, stop flogging a dead horse.Scott_P said:@SunNation: Just when you thought Labour's #Edstone shambles couldn't get any worse... http://t.co/DNECUslXV7 http://t.co/3rzxRwQYOv
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There are also some inhabited islands in the Lake District...0
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Strong winds in leeds doing a gd job of clearing roadside labour signs. Wind from jacks arse maybe ......0
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Sadly, I can fully believe this.Casino_Royale said:Plato said:Postal voting combined with this is so depressing for democracy. order-order.com/2015/05/05/pakistani-speaker-at-sex-segregation-rally-boasted-i-can-tell-people-how-to-vote/#_@/qUfkohofX7FCUg
Chaudhry is the former premier of Kashmir and the MP for Mirpur, in Pakistan. In a 2010 BBC profile, he claimed he “always” visits Britain ahead of general elections in order to tell British-Pakistanis “how to vote“. Chaudhry claims:
“I always come during elections. It’s basically so I can tell people how to vote and who to vote for. Most of the Pakistanis here [in Britain] are from Mirpur, and I am the MP from Mirpur, and I know the issues here and who will be the best candidates to help solve the issues in Kashmir.”
Didn't Gorgeous explicitly (and succesfully) set out to buck this tradition though in Bradford?
While there's definitely truth to a Mirpuri tradition of patronage vote-as-the-elders-do, this looks like a windbag inflating his own self-importance.
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The stone is no longer the issue. Lucky Powell admitting, live on air, that Labour might not keep election pledges is now the story.0
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Welcome back!StarzandStrypz said:We in the U.S. have had THREE major national executive/legislative elections since the last time you election-starved Brits had one (and you've only had one parliamentary election in ten years!). Given the scarcity, I'm glad you've decided to make it exciting by sending it down to the wire.
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Mr. York, very windy here too [was leaning into it when I walked the hound].0
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Up-tick for UKIP.Plato said:Postal voting combined with this is so depressing for democracy. order-order.com/2015/05/05/pakistani-speaker-at-sex-segregation-rally-boasted-i-can-tell-people-how-to-vote/#_@/qUfkohofX7FCUg
Chaudhry is the former premier of Kashmir and the MP for Mirpur, in Pakistan. In a 2010 BBC profile, he claimed he “always” visits Britain ahead of general elections in order to tell British-Pakistanis “how to vote“. Chaudhry claims:
“I always come during elections. It’s basically so I can tell people how to vote and who to vote for. Most of the Pakistanis here [in Britain] are from Mirpur, and I am the MP from Mirpur, and I know the issues here and who will be the best candidates to help solve the issues in Kashmir.”
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Or fans of Steve Coogan, Eddie Izzard or Delia Smith.Casino_Royale said:
You have to feel sorry for people who need to be told who to vote for, whether they be former residents of Kashmir or Sun readers.Peter_the_Punter said:
Sadly, I can fully believe this.Casino_Royale said:Plato said:Postal voting combined with this is so depressing for democracy. order-order.com/2015/05/05/pakistani-speaker-at-sex-segregation-rally-boasted-i-can-tell-people-how-to-vote/#_@/qUfkohofX7FCUg
Chaudhry is the former premier of Kashmir and the MP for Mirpur, in Pakistan. In a 2010 BBC profile, he claimed he “always” visits Britain ahead of general elections in order to tell British-Pakistanis “how to vote“. Chaudhry claims:
“I always come during elections. It’s basically so I can tell people how to vote and who to vote for. Most of the Pakistanis here [in Britain] are from Mirpur, and I am the MP from Mirpur, and I know the issues here and who will be the best candidates to help solve the issues in Kashmir.”
Yup.
Anybody at all. If you can't figure it out for yourself, should you really be voting?0 -
Certainly a couple of the Solent ones are - you see them when they occasionally go on the market with comedy disclaimers (ie Note: No Vehicle Access - Owner must own own boat or helicopter). Pretty certain that they are Portsmouth South rather than IoW technically.Peter_the_Punter said:
Not sure the Palmerstone forts are inhabited. Hell of a way to the shops if they are.Carnyx said:
I was wondering if the Thames and Humber forts (and were they not in the Mersey too?) qualify.Peter_the_Punter said:
Canvey is definitely inhabitable, and inhabited, though one may reasonably ask why.Carnyx said:
You need to define if habitable/inhabited - if the latter then the following are possible, thugh many were only lighthouse keepers and/or are desertedPeter_the_Punter said:
Castle Point (Canvey Island).Pulpstar said:
Yns MonSandyRentool said:Question: How many GB constituencies include islands? Anyone care to list them?
Western Isles
O&S
Argyll & Bute
Isle of Wight
North Ayrshire Arran...
?
Ross, Skye and Lochaber (Summer Isles etc.)
Caithness etc (Stroma?)
Those constituencies in Lothian and Fife which include the Forth islands from the Bridge outwards to May and, round the corner, the Bell Rock
Whichever in SW England has the Eddystone
The Palmerston forts in the Solent are - presumably - covered by the IoW/Pompey constituencies, but I'm not sure about the equivalents out in the approaches to Plymouth and the Tamar.0 -
I've been fairly sweet on a Con Maj at the prices - though having backed NOM first! A nice ICM and I'll be probably out for good. My own forecast is remarkably similar to Jack's - slightly more Nats and slightly fewer LDs though.Peter_the_Punter said:
Weren't you rather sweet on a Conservative Overall Majority earlier in the year, Rod?RodCrosby said:Lab majority 180 on BF
Or am I mixing you up with Tissue Price?0 -
Re. Ed and Leaveson...
Wonder what the SNP would do if implementation came to a vote? Alex and Rupert haven't fallen out yet have they?0 -
The Independent @Independent 2h2 hours ago
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St Ives includes Scilly isles i believe.Peter_the_Punter said:
Does it ever?Prodicus said:
Thanet.Peter_the_Punter said:
Castle Point (Canvey Island).Pulpstar said:
Yns MonSandyRentool said:Question: How many GB constituencies include islands? Anyone care to list them?
Western Isles
O&S
Argyll & Bute
Isle of Wight
North Ayrshire Arran...
?
Does Isle of Man vote this week?0 -
I had to close my windows as one was almost blown off its hinges earlier. I'm a real fresh air nut so feeling most put out as its so sunny as well.Morris_Dancer said:
Mr. York, very windy here too [was leaning into it when I walked the hound].
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How would we know, seeing as some of them are vacuous. We'd have to ask our kids in 30 years time whether things were better for them.Daniel said:The stone is no longer the issue. Lucky Powell admitting, live on air, that Labour might not keep election pledges is now the story.
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Hmmm...much as I admire Jack's ARSE, I will for once be keeping my distance.Tissue_Price said:
I've been fairly sweet on a Con Maj at the prices - though having backed NOM first! A nice ICM and I'll be probably out for good. My own forecast is remarkably similar to Jack's - slightly more Nats and slightly fewer LDs though.Peter_the_Punter said:
Weren't you rather sweet on a Conservative Overall Majority earlier in the year, Rod?RodCrosby said:Lab majority 180 on BF
Or am I mixing you up with Tissue Price?0 -
No he doesn't. He says, quite rightly, that the Banking Levy - you know, the one that Labour think isn't high enough - is to blame.bigjohnowls said:The Independent @Independent 2h2 hours ago
HSBC chief says UK exit review will be complete by end of year – and Tory policy is to blame
HSBC are particularly badly and unfairly hit by the insane bank-bashing which Labour, the LibDems, and (I am sorry to say) even the Tories have engaged in. But there's absolutely zero doubt that the worst offender is Labour.0 -
Constituencies with Islands Cont'd:
Barrow and Furness (Walney Island)
North Antrim (Rathlin Island)0 -
The Piers Doughty Brown who was haranguing Murphy and Eddie Izzard yesterday, and who dear old, deluded Dair told us had nothing to do with the SNP, has today had his SNP membership suspended by Nicola Sturgeon. I blame SLab.0
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But hasnt he already ruled out any coalition relying on nationalist support?Pulpstar said:
Do the Lib Dems accept they'll be the 4th placed party yet ?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Not yet, but it can only be a matter of time.GIN1138 said:Re. Ed and Leaveson...
Wonder what the SNP would do if implementation came to a vote? Alex and Rupert haven't fallen out yet have they?
It's hard to imagine the SNP being anything other than pro-Leveson.0 -
Stop talking about what?SeanT said:
You're obviously worried that EdStone is potentially a political negative for Labour, or you wouldn't have posted about it 20 or 30 times in the last hour, in a forlorn attempt to stop people talking about it.OllyT said:
You obviously believe the "Edstone" was a cataclysmic political event, given that you have posted about 20 or 30 times in the last 24 hours. When can I expect the polls to swing massively in favour of the Tories then?Scott_P said:
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It seems a particular stretch to claim HSBC's potential exit is down to worry about not being in the European Union when the city they're considering moving to is Hong Kong.Richard_Nabavi said:
No he doesn't. He says, quite rightly, that the Banking Levy - you know, the one that Labour think isn't high enough - is to blame.bigjohnowls said:The Independent @Independent 2h2 hours ago
HSBC chief says UK exit review will be complete by end of year – and Tory policy is to blame
HSBC are particularly badly and unfairly hit by the insane bank-bashing which Labour, the LibDems, and (I am sorry to say) even the Tories have engaged in. But there's absolutely zero doubt that the worst offender is Labour.0 -
But how could anyone forget the Pullitzer-worthy 'An NHS with time to care'?Richard_Nabavi said:
To be fair, not thinking that any of the Six Platitudes are worth committing to memory is surely evidence in Kezia Dugdale's favour.calum said:Another example of why SLAB is in trouble, Kezia Dugdale (SLAB deputy leader), couldn't even name 1 of Ed's 6 pledges:
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HSBC have been vocal with their complaints about the banking levy, which Labour and the LibDems would both increase.bigjohnowls said:The Independent @Independent 2h2 hours ago
HSBC chief says UK exit review will be complete by end of year – and Tory policy is to blame http://ind.pn/1c09R2M0 -
Sadly, I can fully believe this.Casino_Royale said:Plato said:Postal voting combined with this is so depressing for democracy. order-order.com/2015/05/05/pakistani-speaker-at-sex-segregation-rally-boasted-i-can-tell-people-how-to-vote/#_@/qUfkohofX7FCUg
Chaudhry is the former premier of Kashmir and the MP for Mirpur, in Pakistan. In a 2010 BBC profile, he claimed he “always” visits Britain ahead of general elections in order to tell British-Pakistanis “how to vote“. Chaudhry claims:
“I always come during elections. It’s basically so I can tell people how to vote and who to vote for. Most of the Pakistanis here [in Britain] are from Mirpur, and I am the MP from Mirpur, and I know the issues here and who will be the best candidates to help solve the issues in Kashmir.”
Why do we even allow Pakistanis to vote in our elections? Brits can't vote in Mirpur.0 -
Osney, and South Hinksey, in Oxford technically qualify too ... in fact, as the Thames/Cherwell confluence is so heavily braided, much of Oxford city does too!SandyRentool said:Thanks everyone for your replies. No-one has mentioned the Isle of Grain, but it isn't really an island. Also, there are some islands in the middle of the Thames that we ought to count too. Edit - just seen that rcs1000 has got there before me!
If you're going outwith tidal waters, or rather inside them, there are also one or two habitable islands on Scottish lochs - Lake of Menteith and Loch Leven (the one in Fife) have castles on islands IIRC, also one in Loch Awe. (But we'll ignore crannogs ...).
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chestnut Indeed, but it is not an unqualified Labour endorsement, some of his supporters are encouraging vote swapping between Labour voters in marginals and Green voters in safe seats and Brighton and Norwich and Bristol
Stars We have had Scottish and Welsh, European and London and local elections and 2 referendums since 2010 so not completely starved0 -
Richard Littlejohn ensuring a touch of balance by trending at No 4.SeanT said:
Lucy Powell now trending at number 5 on Twitter. I don't think it's due to her nice red coat.rottenborough said:
How would we know, seeing as some of them are vacuous. We'd have to ask our kids in 30 years time whether things were better for them.Daniel said:The stone is no longer the issue. Lucky Powell admitting, live on air, that Labour might not keep election pledges is now the story.
Labour, brilliantly, have managed to keep EdStone in the news for a third day running.
Will it have any effect? It is undeniable that the Labour campaign has ended poorly, after a promising start. They've been on the backfoot ever since Tories began attacking on the Nat question. Yet the polls have barely budged....0 -
I don't much disagree with any of that, but in 1992 Sheffield felt like a big deal at the time it happened, so it wasn't a question of deciding there must have been a specific cause for the surprise result and going back looking for the best match for what the cause might actually be. If tories underperform markedly on Thursday I won't be trying to identify retrospectively what their Sheffield moment might have been this time round; there hasn't been one (yet).Polruan said:
OK, so the Sheffield effect is proxy for an assumption that low personal ratings for the leader don't affect headline VI in the polls right up to the election, but depress actual votes for that party.Ishmael_X said:
Anecdotals from the immediate aftermath of people saying it was Sheffield that persuaded them Kinnock wasn't personally up to it. What makes it Labour-hostile is the personal inadequacy theme. (And that's not just sniping: see leader ratings for the last 5 years).Polruan said:
Is the Sheffield effect in any way evidenced? ie. we know the Sheffield rally was kind of awkward, but is there any verified connection between that event and the delta between poll and actual votes? Because if we're just using it as shorthand for "the polls woz wrong" then extrapolating that that wrongness depresses the Labour vote seems optimistic. Why couldn't the Tory vote be subject to the same problem?Ishmael_X said:
An effect which is by definition invisible in polls, is invisible in a poll? Golly.Pulpstar said:
There is no "Sheffield effect" for Labour evident in the ICM poll.Ishmael_X said:
2. The Sheffield effect, the point of which has always been that it doesn't show up in the polls, only at the moment of truth in the polling booth.
Labour on THIRTY SEVEN % in Hallam is a very strong indicator that they're doing quite well tbh.
Hallam is simply not the sort of place Labour should be picking up 37%.
Genuine question btw, I was quite young in 92.
@ThomasNashe 's explanation seems rather more plausible: that late swings are possible due to campaigning factors, and may or may not be hung on a single media-friendly factor that demonstrates correlation (kind of) but not causation.
So all we can really say is that the polls might be wrong (either way), that in future we'd seek to find a reason for it, possibly call it a "Sheffield moment" but, if it's the Tories who underperform the polling, accept that Sheffield moments are available to all parties.
Was the unwind of the Cleggasm a Sheffield moment, btw?
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But will it be a wing of change.....Morris_Dancer said:Mr. York, very windy here too [was leaning into it when I walked the hound].
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Burgh Island don't know which parliamentary plot it falls in. South Devon?0
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And the threat of leaving the EU if you read the articleRichard_Nabavi said:
No he doesn't. He says, quite rightly, that the Banking Levy - you know, the one that Labour think isn't high enough - is to blame.bigjohnowls said:The Independent @Independent 2h2 hours ago
HSBC chief says UK exit review will be complete by end of year – and Tory policy is to blame
HSBC are particularly badly and unfairly hit by the insane bank-bashing which Labour, the LibDems, and (I am sorry to say) even the Tories have engaged in. But there's absolutely zero doubt that the worst offender is Labour.
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@rosschawkins: .@LucyMPowell says she didn't mean Ed M cd break his stone pledges when she said this - via @bbc5live http://t.co/UeaNrzpqRASeanT said:Lucy Powell now trending at number 5 on Twitter. I don't think it's due to her nice red coat.
Which is yet another attempt to change the story from
@LucyMPowell: Honestly Tories and others desperately mis-quoting what I said. Anyone who heard the whole interview knows I said the opposite.
So was she misquoted, or accurately quoted and just incoherent?
Remember folks, she could be in the cabinet on Monday...0 -
cockup
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Got out for a small profit.Peter_the_Punter said:
Weren't you rather sweet on a Conservative Overall Majority earlier in the year, Rod?RodCrosby said:Lab majority 180 on BF
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Carry On Digging, and this and....
Lucy Powell @LucyMPowellMP
https://twitter.com/LucyMPowellMP/status/595564695299428352
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Always good to see you defending the criminal fraternity.Richard_Nabavi said:
No he doesn't. He says, quite rightly, that the Banking Levy - you know, the one that Labour think isn't high enough - is to blame.bigjohnowls said:The Independent @Independent 2h2 hours ago
HSBC chief says UK exit review will be complete by end of year – and Tory policy is to blame
HSBC are particularly badly and unfairly hit by the insane bank-bashing which Labour, the LibDems, and (I am sorry to say) even the Tories have engaged in. But there's absolutely zero doubt that the worst offender is Labour.0 -
Hope so...paulyork said:
But will it be a wing of change.....Morris_Dancer said:Mr. York, very windy here too [was leaning into it when I walked the hound].
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Strong hint of incoming rattles.Plato said:Carry On Digging
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I think an honest listen to the interview would understand that's not what she meant, but saying something so easily twisted is unforgiveably stupid.Scott_P said:
@rosschawkins: .@LucyMPowell says she didn't mean Ed M cd break his stone pledges when she said this - via @bbc5live http://t.co/UeaNrzpqRASeanT said:Lucy Powell now trending at number 5 on Twitter. I don't think it's due to her nice red coat.
Which is yet another attempt to change the story from
@LucyMPowell: Honestly Tories and others desperately mis-quoting what I said. Anyone who heard the whole interview knows I said the opposite.
So was she misquoted, or accurately quoted and just incoherent?
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Have we done Lindisfarne, which is in Berwick constituency?Carnyx said:
Osney, and South Hinksey, in Oxford technically qualify too ... in fact, as the Thames/Cherwell confluence is so heavily braided, much of Oxford city does too!SandyRentool said:Thanks everyone for your replies. No-one has mentioned the Isle of Grain, but it isn't really an island. Also, there are some islands in the middle of the Thames that we ought to count too. Edit - just seen that rcs1000 has got there before me!
If you're going outwith tidal waters, or rather inside them, there are also one or two habitable islands on Scottish lochs - Lake of Menteith and Loch Leven (the one in Fife) have castles on islands IIRC, also one in Loch Awe. (But we'll ignore crannogs ...).
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Polls haven't budged because normal people are far more interested in "Married couple have second baby" type stories, followed (more justifiably) by the awful disaster in Nepal.SeanT said:
Lucy Powell now trending at number 5 on Twitter. I don't think it's due to her nice red coat.rottenborough said:
How would we know, seeing as some of them are vacuous. We'd have to ask our kids in 30 years time whether things were better for them.Daniel said:The stone is no longer the issue. Lucky Powell admitting, live on air, that Labour might not keep election pledges is now the story.
Labour, brilliantly, have managed to keep EdStone in the news for a third day running.
Will it have any effect? It is undeniable that the Labour campaign has ended poorly, after a promising start. They've been on the backfoot ever since Tories began attacking on the Nat question. Yet the polls have barely budged....
Wonkery and meta-debate don't interest most people; mis-speaking and not following the script often improves ratings if it does anything at all (though not in this case!).
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Thanks, although I don't recognize you; maybe you had another name back in the day!Tissue_Price said:
Welcome back!StarzandStrypz said:We in the U.S. have had THREE major national executive/legislative elections since the last time you election-starved Brits had one (and you've only had one parliamentary election in ten years!). Given the scarcity, I'm glad you've decided to make it exciting by sending it down to the wire.
I hate to imagine what it would mean for the Tories if they can't eke out another term with the likes of Cameron, versus the likes of Miliband (after having only marginally beaten the hopeless Brown the last time around). Electoral reform and redrawing constituencies aren't everything, but what a missed opportunity for both Tories and LD's that proved to be.0 -
Toys <> PramBannedInParis said:Strong hint of incoming rattles.
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The MSM spends much of its time highlighting Cybernat abuse, however I've rarely seen anything about Cyberunionist efforts. I think this is due to the MSM not quite realising that most of them are Cyberunionists, not only do they demonise Scots/SNP in their papers but then carpet bomb twitter, retweeting each other in a frenzy.
A good example of a Cyberunionist is a twitter user @Historywoman :
https://twitter.com/Historywoman
In 6 years she has tweeted over 100,000 times, if you skim through her feed, I think you'll agree she deserves the title of the Cybernat Slayer !!
My sense is that the Cyberunionist gives as good as it gets from Cybernats - just take a look at the United Against Separation page and you will see the Cyber war is well underway:
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you know a small part of me want a minority labour government for the sheer hell it would put Miliband through for the next few years...0
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Oh, all right then. More wishing than hoping, never mind predicting.
CONSERVATIVE - 299
LABOUR - 253
LIB DEM - 23
DUP - 8
GREEN - 1
SNP - 49
UKIP - 2
PLAID - 5
SINN FEIN - 4
SDLP - 3
LSH - 1
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She's an appalling speaker, her fault.Stereotomy said:
I think an honest listen to the interview would understand that's not what she meant, but saying something so easily twisted is unforgiveably stupid.Scott_P said:
@rosschawkins: .@LucyMPowell says she didn't mean Ed M cd break his stone pledges when she said this - via @bbc5live http://t.co/UeaNrzpqRASeanT said:Lucy Powell now trending at number 5 on Twitter. I don't think it's due to her nice red coat.
Which is yet another attempt to change the story from
@LucyMPowell: Honestly Tories and others desperately mis-quoting what I said. Anyone who heard the whole interview knows I said the opposite.
So was she misquoted, or accurately quoted and just incoherent?
Remember folks, she could be in the cabinet on Monday...
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How can AV be more confusing than STV?Alistair said:
AV is confusing but STV would pass?Anorak said:
I don't think so. As a system it's a dog's dinner and confusing as buggery to the average voter. STV or full PR would probably pass though.TheScreamingEagles said:It was four years ago today that we voted to reject AV.
Given what we know, and the expected election result, would AV have passed now?
(I know, we don't discuss AV enough)
AV is STV with a single outcome and is inherently easier to understand.0 -
Yes, someone else did - though I can't remember if the other Farne Islands were included ...rottenborough said:
Have we done Lindisfarne, which is in Berwick constituency?Carnyx said:
Osney, and South Hinksey, in Oxford technically qualify too ... in fact, as the Thames/Cherwell confluence is so heavily braided, much of Oxford city does too!SandyRentool said:Thanks everyone for your replies. No-one has mentioned the Isle of Grain, but it isn't really an island. Also, there are some islands in the middle of the Thames that we ought to count too. Edit - just seen that rcs1000 has got there before me!
If you're going outwith tidal waters, or rather inside them, there are also one or two habitable islands on Scottish lochs - Lake of Menteith and Loch Leven (the one in Fife) have castles on islands IIRC, also one in Loch Awe. (But we'll ignore crannogs ...).
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Good for you, Rod, but how many lemmings did you direct over the cliff?RodCrosby said:
Got out for a small profit.Peter_the_Punter said:
Weren't you rather sweet on a Conservative Overall Majority earlier in the year, Rod?RodCrosby said:Lab majority 180 on BF
Or am I mixing you up with Tissue Price?
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Here in St Ives Cornwall and David Cameron is shortly to arrive at the town Hall apparently...
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What? Ranking all candidates in order of preference, and the hiliarious and mystifying outcomes that can occur, is "inherently easier to understand" than First-Choice/Second-Choice?Dair said:
How can AV be more confusing than STV?Alistair said:
AV is confusing but STV would pass?Anorak said:
I don't think so. As a system it's a dog's dinner and confusing as buggery to the average voter. STV or full PR would probably pass though.TheScreamingEagles said:It was four years ago today that we voted to reject AV.
Given what we know, and the expected election result, would AV have passed now?
(I know, we don't discuss AV enough)
AV is STV with a single outcome and is inherently easier to understand.
It's a view, I suppose.0 -
I've written software to calculate results of STV elections and I still don't understand it.Dair said:
How can AV be more confusing than STV?Alistair said:
AV is confusing but STV would pass?Anorak said:
I don't think so. As a system it's a dog's dinner and confusing as buggery to the average voter. STV or full PR would probably pass though.TheScreamingEagles said:It was four years ago today that we voted to reject AV.
Given what we know, and the expected election result, would AV have passed now?
(I know, we don't discuss AV enough)
AV is STV with a single outcome and is inherently easier to understand.0 -
Not sure why this is a big deal. It's not as if Labour have made a very big deal abour gender equality over the years, is it.TheKitchenCabinet said:Birmingham rally now at the top of the DM website:
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I believe this is a Marginal seat here so falls in the meme of this mornings comments. This visit was not known about apparently according to local shopkeeper but the press starting to build up now as he was due at 1400 ...ishMoses_ said:Here in St Ives Cornwall and David Cameron is shortly to arrive at the town Hall apparently...
Going to every end of the country by the looks
If he goes any further from here he will be at lands end.
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STV you rank the candidates as well.Anorak said:
What? Ranking all candidates in order of preference, and the hiliarious and mystifying outcomes that can occur, is "inherently easier to understand" than First-Choice/Second-Choice?Dair said:
How can AV be more confusing than STV?Alistair said:
AV is confusing but STV would pass?Anorak said:
I don't think so. As a system it's a dog's dinner and confusing as buggery to the average voter. STV or full PR would probably pass though.TheScreamingEagles said:It was four years ago today that we voted to reject AV.
Given what we know, and the expected election result, would AV have passed now?
(I know, we don't discuss AV enough)
AV is STV with a single outcome and is inherently easier to understand.
It's a view, I suppose.0 -
The silence of Harman on this has exposed her for precisely what she is. Just another hypocritical don't do as I do socialist. What's worse is hubby of all women shortlist fame was even on the panel so a double or even triple hypocrisy.Anorak said:
Not sure why this is a big deal. It's not as if Labour have made a very big deal abour gender equality over the years, is it.TheKitchenCabinet said:Birmingham rally now at the top of the DM website:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
You have been warned. This project started in 1997 to 2010 and it has not gone way. It will restart this Friday with a vengeance in Labour get another 10 on the coat tails of the SNP. . Those who ignore this simple fact do so at our peril and the countries sadly.0 -
Poor show by Nicola but if Doughty Brown has tarred himself with an association with Clerkin so he has to share some of the blame.SouthamObserver said:The Piers Doughty Brown who was haranguing Murphy and Eddie Izzard yesterday, and who dear old, deluded Dair told us had nothing to do with the SNP, has today had his SNP membership suspended by Nicola Sturgeon. I blame SLab.
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