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Cam appeals beyond the economic vote. Women in the South, for example, parts of the country where leaning right doesn't work. I suspect he is more popular than his party in Wales, but havn't looked at figures for that.Roger said:I took a look at the Tory PPB and thought it was fine. A better idea than those soft focus babies and using a theme that makes sense. 'They screwed the economy and we've tried to fix it'.
The well tried format with the clock was going well until Cameron came on. What is the matter with him? The idea is the idea. The clock worked His appearance didn't. It just reminded those who thinks he's a slippery salesman that it's the same old claptrap.
Even if they win no one will convince me they wouldn't have done better with a less crass campaign
Clock = right wing waverer vote. Solidify the core vote, reclaim those thinking about UKIP
Cam = Centrist voters, particularly in Southern LD marginals.
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IIRC we used to call these type of ads "sh*t sandwich' - great idea at start & finish, & clunky pitch in the middle.....Roger said:
The well tried format with the clock was going well until Cameron came on. What is the matter with him? The idea is the idea. The clock worked His appearance didn't. He looked like a salesman from QVC.0 -
Carollotta
I will answer that - gimmicky and will change no votes.
Positives: may get cut through when everyone is talking about baby and the fight
Negatives: a bit naff that doesn't really make you look dynamic0 -
Labour want to put in place a business plan that has repeatedly been shown to lead to Bankrupt Britain. So....yes, until they change their business plan, it is a fair charge.kle4 said:
There are people who believe Labour has in the past and will in the future ruin Britain, but you surely cannot seriously believe they want to ruin Britain?Flightpath1 said:
Frankly I cannot see why anyone would want to share a pint with someone who supports a party that wants to ruin Britain
That it hurts the poorest in society every time and results in fewer people in employment than they inherited damns Labour - the party of the working man, supposedly.0 -
They're busy singing the praises of the EdStone....oh, hang on......MikeK said:This can't be shown enough!
Where are the PB Labour supporters, when this and worse is happening?.@UKLabour Think segregation of the sexes is the way forward in 21st cent as long as those segregated vote for them! pic.twitter.com/aib6AA7RQr
— QueeniesSoapbox (@QueeniesSoapbox) May 3, 2015
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Ed Miliband is several cuts above Moses. He's kept the commandments down to six. And adultery is out.0
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MikeK
"This can't be shown enough!
Where are the PB Labour supporters, when this and worse is happening? "
Hi Mike. have you never been to an orthodox Jewish wedding or Barmitzva or even a synagogue or even a some Jewish schools? The Ultra orthodox even put a curtain between the sexes so they can't even see each other
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Would that it were ... I think the maths is likely to be against it especially if Clegg is defeated in Hallam.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Freggles, could be a second Con-Lib coalition.
If fewer than 30 seats are held the party is likely to be too shellshocked to want to continue.
The one hand Cameron has played badly is the damage done to his junior partner. That and our electoral system will almost certainly preclude the best option for the country0 -
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For me Labour's ideal result would obviously be to be able to govern securely without SNP or LD support. But the second choice must be to kick the Tories out, out up a populist Queen's speech, and pull the plug at the first sign of SNP interference. Resulting in an autumn election.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Freggles, indeed. An unofficial supply and confidence deal may be likeliest (unofficial because the blues get to feel all independent and the yellows get the luxury of squealing opposition once more).
A second election would not suit the Lib Dems.
This would allow Labour to at least be in the game in Scotland since they could legitimately argue that you cant vote SNP to get Labour.
It would also allow the Tories to finish the job of picking off the remaining LDs0 -
I thought just that, turned off the moment he came on.kle4 said:
Although I personally don't find Cameron objectionable, I actually agree the ad would have been more effective without him. Short, simple, no images of party people to put people off. Maybe they'll show it as shorter and longer versions, one with his addition one without?Roger said:
The well tried format with the clock was going well until Cameron came on. What is the matter with him? The idea is the idea. The clock worked His appearance didn't. It just reminded those who thinks he's a slippery salesman that it's the same old claptrap.
On its own, point made in 60 seconds and made well.0 -
Everyone on the Sunday pol shows has given up on talking policies. Now 100% fixated on who will do a deal with who. Can't we save that until 10 pm on Thursday?0
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Although I can see a final week poster campaign using the image of the hammer above the clock.0
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MikeK said:
This can't be shown enough!
Where are the PB Labour supporters, when this and worse is happening?.@UKLabour Think segregation of the sexes is the way forward in 21st cent as long as those segregated vote for them! pic.twitter.com/aib6AA7RQr
— QueeniesSoapbox (@QueeniesSoapbox) May 3, 2015
It proves who is in control - and it ain't Labour.
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Tories need a May 7th bump even on the phone poll numbers if they fancy passing any legislationSunil_Prasannan said:ELBOW for week-ending May 1st (up to and including 30th April - will do a final last-gasp ELBOW for polls conducted between 1st and 6th May):
Lab 33.9 (+0.3)
Con 33.8 (+0.8)
UKIP 12.9 (-0.9)
LD 8.5 (+0.3)
Green 5.0 (-0.3)
Lab lead 0.1 (-0.5)
Phone polls:
Con 34.7 (nc)
Lab 32.0 (+0.1)
UKIP 11.5 (+0.3)
LD 8.4 (-0.9)
Green 6.6 (+1.9)
CON lead 2.7 (-0.1)
Online polls:
Lab 34.3 (+0.5)
Con 33.7 (+0.8)
UKIP 13.2 (-0.9)
LD 8.5 (+0.4)
Green 4.7 (-0.7)
LAB lead 0.6 (-0.3)0 -
Agreed - I always want to straighten his tie too. He didn't add anything to the message.BannedInParis said:
I thought just that, turned off the moment he came on.kle4 said:
Although I personally don't find Cameron objectionable, I actually agree the ad would have been more effective without him. Short, simple, no images of party people to put people off. Maybe they'll show it as shorter and longer versions, one with his addition one without?Roger said:
The well tried format with the clock was going well until Cameron came on. What is the matter with him? The idea is the idea. The clock worked His appearance didn't. It just reminded those who thinks he's a slippery salesman that it's the same old claptrap.
On its own, point made in 60 seconds and made well.0 -
So, in 2010 Milliband said "“constitutional position is clear” and “very simple”: in the event of a hung parliament “the Prime Minister gets to have the first crack”.
Fast forward five years and Labour are getting ready to call in the lawyers.....
What a guy.0 -
Sandy
Well Labour just said that it would veto the SNP from having another vote.0 -
Let me make my position plain, once and for all. I do know about the Ultra orthodox, and 100% disagree with all this religious mumbo jumbo, wether Jewish or Muslim or Christian for that matter. I left all that behind me decades ago.Roger said:MikeK
"This can't be shown enough!
Where are the PB Labour supporters, when this and worse is happening? "
Hi Mike. have you never been to an orthodox Jewish wedding or Barmitzva or even a synagogue or even a some Jewish schools? The Ultra orthodox even put a curtain between the sexes.So they can't even see each other
I'm amazed at the age of 80 that I'm teaching you something you didn't know?0 -
This political event was a Jewish wedding? A Barmitzva? Who knew.Roger said:MikeK
"This can't be shown enough!
Where are the PB Labour supporters, when this and worse is happening? "
Hi Mike. have you never been to an orthodox Jewish wedding or Barmitzva or even a synagogue or even a some Jewish schools? The Ultra orthodox even put a curtain between the sexes so they can't even see each other
I'm amazed at the age of 80 that I'm teaching you something you didn't know
I'll say it now before Ed's Islamophobia (Prevention) Act 2015 becomes law. It's a fucking disgrace to a modern society.0 -
Mr. Roger, the event wasn't a wedding. It was political.0
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Seems unnecessary - unless the Tories get more than the most optimistic projections and/or the LDs do a lot better than their most optimistic projections and are inclined to work with the Tories again, odds are Labour will together with the SNP have enough votes to get Cameron out. Just bide your time, Labour.Floater said:So, in 2010 Milliband said "“constitutional position is clear” and “very simple”: in the event of a hung parliament “the Prime Minister gets to have the first crack”.
Fast forward five years and Labour are getting ready to call in the lawyers.....
What a guy.
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They will get the first crack, and be voted down. Problem?Floater said:So, in 2010 Milliband said "“constitutional position is clear” and “very simple”: in the event of a hung parliament “the Prime Minister gets to have the first crack”.
Fast forward five years and Labour are getting ready to call in the lawyers.....
What a guy.0 -
Mr. Floater, what's the lawyer comment about?0
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Almost uncrossover on betfair next PM0
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I think that is the killer point.kle4 said:
When Cameron unveils a ridiculous gimmick we shall see the reverse, everyone deserves their fun. Unfortunately his ridiculous gimmick of a law to force himself to do something was not as visually interesting, sadly.murali_s said:
Come on Scott - must copy and paste faster!Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: "There will have to be dialogue and discussions between the Labour Party and the SNP about the Queen's Speech," John Swinney #bbcsp
You need to feed the voracious appetite of the right-wing fruitcakes (and they're out in force this morning!) who live on this blog!
Cameron’s stupid gimmick was just more hot air.
Ed’s stupid gimmick is much more visually interesting and has much more comic possibilities.
I’m unclear, does this limestone slab with his pledges actually exist yet?
Everything I have seen looks fake.
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4/1 continues to be available from Boylesports.murali_s said:kle4 said:
When Cameron unveils a ridiculous gimmick we shall see the reverse, everyone deserves their fun. Unfortunately his ridiculous gimmick of a law to force himself to do something was not as visually interesting, sadly.murali_s said:
Come on Scott - must copy and paste faster!Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: "There will have to be dialogue and discussions between the Labour Party and the SNP about the Queen's Speech," John Swinney #bbcsp
You need to feed the voracious appetite of the right-wing fruitcakes (and they're out in force this morning!) who live on this blog!
7/2 with Ladbrokes (was 4/1 yesterday).0 -
I guess it all depends on the numbers. Last time there was only one feasible agreement - to be fair to blue and yellow teams they did what needed to be done at the time and it is remarkable that they held it together for the whole term.Freggles said:So we've talked through the permutations of leftwing coalitions.
Less has been said recently about Tory options.
Am I right in thinking this leak about declaring victory means that Cameron is going to go for a confodence and supply deal with the Lib Dems or govern as a minority?
I just can't see a decimated or leaderless yellow team wanting to do the same again, and I can't imagine that Cameron wants to be in hock to a few of his more excitable right-wingers, egged on by UKIP. Whatever the result the new government will face an almost immediate confidence vote, it may be that a few tactical abstensions from that vote leave a minority government for however long it can hold together.0 -
Yes, how about we get to vote first, before self serving politicians squabble over who gets first dibs at the trough.SandyRentool said:Everyone on the Sunday pol shows has given up on talking policies. Now 100% fixated on who will do a deal with who. Can't we save that until 10 pm on Thursday?
The electorate are being taken for fools.0 -
Number of GB Opinion polls since August, updated for ComRes, Opinium and Sun on Sunday YG:
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What business plan is that exactly? No doubt you think we should just let 'buisness get on with it' and continue with the pitiful investment, complete misallocation of resources and rent seeking the Tories are so happy with. I have to say I am surprised that after the biggest financial crisis in our country's history the Conservative Party, once a byword for pragmatism, has refused too adapt its economic outlook at all. Just the same old fixation on financial values which never have and never will deliver us prosperity.MarqueeMark said:
Labour want to put in place a business plan that has repeatedly been shown to lead to Bankrupt Britain. So....yes, until they change their business plan, it is a fair charge.kle4 said:
There are people who believe Labour has in the past and will in the future ruin Britain, but you surely cannot seriously believe they want to ruin Britain?Flightpath1 said:
Frankly I cannot see why anyone would want to share a pint with someone who supports a party that wants to ruin Britain
That it hurts the poorest in society every time and results in fewer people in employment than they inherited damns Labour - the party of the working man, supposedly.0 -
Found it, Betfair interface is terrible. I only got on at 2-1.Pulpstar said:
Look at 27th January.Alistair said:
I am extremely certain I have 10 quid on it at 3-1 but it doesn't appear in my betting history on Betfair. Hmmm.Pulpstar said:
Betfair Sportsbook. I have £13 on this at 8-1 on sub 20Alistair said:Which bookie was it that had the ludicrous greens retained deposits market? Trying to track down my bet.
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That would just make things worse for Labour in Scotland. We dont want the current Labour party we want something more like old Labour ... much more to the left and an end to austerity that just doesnt help the poorest in this country at all, not just Tory lite.Freggles said:
For me Labour's ideal result would obviously be to be able to govern securely without SNP or LD support. But the second choice must be to kick the Tories out, out up a populist Queen's speech, and pull the plug at the first sign of SNP interference. Resulting in an autumn election.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Freggles, indeed. An unofficial supply and confidence deal may be likeliest (unofficial because the blues get to feel all independent and the yellows get the luxury of squealing opposition once more).
A second election would not suit the Lib Dems.
This would allow Labour to at least be in the game in Scotland since they could legitimately argue that you cant vote SNP to get Labour.
It would also allow the Tories to finish the job of picking off the remaining LDs0 -
I agree. There is a surreality to Miliband's engraved limestone slab. For those who dislike Labour, it's simply too good to be true.YBarddCwsc said:
I think that is the killer point.kle4 said:
When Cameron unveils a ridiculous gimmick we shall see the reverse, everyone deserves their fun. Unfortunately his ridiculous gimmick of a law to force himself to do something was not as visually interesting, sadly.murali_s said:
Come on Scott - must copy and paste faster!Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: "There will have to be dialogue and discussions between the Labour Party and the SNP about the Queen's Speech," John Swinney #bbcsp
You need to feed the voracious appetite of the right-wing fruitcakes (and they're out in force this morning!) who live on this blog!
Cameron’s stupid gimmick was just more hot air.
Ed’s stupid gimmick is much more visually interesting and has much more comic possibilities.
I’m unclear, does this limestone slab with his pledges actually exist yet?
Everything I have seen looks fake.0 -
A fair comparison. After all, Moses could be said to be the first basket case.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. K, that's enough Islamophobia!
The Prophet Miliband will not tolerate this sort of behaviour!*
*In case you haven't seen it, Ed Miliband now thinks he's Moses.
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Sunil Prasannan @Sunil_P2 · 1m1 minute ago
ELBOW for w/e 1st May updated for ComRes, Opinium and Sun on Sunday YG. Lab 33.9, Con 33.8, UKIP 12.9, LD 8.5, Grn 5.0
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Which would go down like a cup of Green sick in England.jimmyczz said:
That would just make things worse for Labour in Scotland. We dont want the current Labour party we want something more like old Labour ... much more to the left and an end to austerity that just doesnt help the poorest in this country at all, not just Tory lite.Freggles said:
For me Labour's ideal result would obviously be to be able to govern securely without SNP or LD support. But the second choice must be to kick the Tories out, out up a populist Queen's speech, and pull the plug at the first sign of SNP interference. Resulting in an autumn election.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Freggles, indeed. An unofficial supply and confidence deal may be likeliest (unofficial because the blues get to feel all independent and the yellows get the luxury of squealing opposition once more).
A second election would not suit the Lib Dems.
This would allow Labour to at least be in the game in Scotland since they could legitimately argue that you cant vote SNP to get Labour.
It would also allow the Tories to finish the job of picking off the remaining LDs
Federalism now.0 -
It works oddly well for getting the message shared via Facebook and Twitter, which have somehow managed to resurrect the old 90s web publishing anti-pattern of taking a photo of some text and uploading it.kle4 said:So on reflection, Labour are clearly going for the Russell Brand strategy here - a lot of people are going to mock them mercilessly for it, but in doing so they figure a lot more people will see their pledges, and it might work on some of them.
It seems a little bit amazing that seeing things like "an NHS with the time to care" would make anybody more likely to vote for them, but I suppose they've focus-grouped that stuff properly with whichever voters it is they think they need to flip.0 -
You think so?watford30 said:
The electorate are being taken for fools.SandyRentool said:Everyone on the Sunday pol shows has given up on talking policies. Now 100% fixated on who will do a deal with who. Can't we save that until 10 pm on Thursday?
I think the electorate are exacting a delicious and exquisite revenge on politicians.......
Unfortunately they may pay a price they don't yet fully comprehend.....
However, when I asked a (Tory) Barrister friend what he thought of juries....'They almost always get it right......'0 -
*claps*Dimitry said:
A fair comparison. After all, Moses could be said to be the first basket case.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. K, that's enough Islamophobia!
The Prophet Miliband will not tolerate this sort of behaviour!*
*In case you haven't seen it, Ed Miliband now thinks he's Moses.0 -
MM
"This political event was a Jewish wedding? A Barmitzva? Who knew."
Any political event at an orthodox place of worship or anywhere else for that matter would divide the sexes exactly as you see in those photos. I'm just surprised no one ever shows those. I wouldn't though I've been to several because I couldn't care less if this is how they want to organize themselves.0 -
Edstone is now no 1 on UK Twitter.
As Tim Stanley observes: Some 12-year old running Labour's campaign is right now shouting "The #EdStone is trending on Twitter! I said it was a good idea!"
He's like a Limestone Vowboy (another tweet...)0 -
OTOH the Fake Elvis Moment didn't actually seem to cost Labour any votes to speak of, and you just published Labour's core message into your 3,137 followers' streams.SeanT said:And thus it was our forefathers erected the first mighty stone, that in future would become... Pledgehenge
I think this is actually funnier and more embarrassingly ridiculous than Gordon Brown's Fake Elvis Moment. Who could have imagined they would beat that?
Kudos.0 -
In their defence, people and pundits have been critical of the politicians for not being clearer on what they would do in the aftermath when the result has widely and with virtually no movement been predicted to be unclear.watford30 said:
Yes, how about we get to vote first, before self serving politicians squabble over who gets first dibs at the trough.SandyRentool said:Everyone on the Sunday pol shows has given up on talking policies. Now 100% fixated on who will do a deal with who. Can't we save that until 10 pm on Thursday?
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Elvis was actually a vote winner is thats all people talked about for about a week.
I had forgotten about Elvis - genius.0 -
The Eddystone rocks!CarlottaVance said:Edstone is now no 1 on UK Twitter.
As Tim Stanley observes: Some 12-year old running Labour's campaign is right now shouting "The #EdStone is trending on Twitter! I said it was a good idea!"0 -
In shock news The Sunday People endorses Labour0
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#EdStone - RIP #labour 1900-2015 buried by landslide #Scoltand0
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Scotsman claim SLAB will concentrate on 12 seats for the final days. They list 11 though
Dougie's seat is not among those listed (neither Curran and Sarwar but it was a given at this point)0 -
I would be a real floating voter and would probably actually vote on the basis of who the candidates were in my constituency (terribly old fashioned I know!) .Plato said:Typically who would you vote for in a free vote?
OllyT said:
I'm not a Labour man, I am an anti-Tory who votes Labour tactically as I live in a North West marginal (Chester). I don't think the stone is the greatest political stunt ever but nor is it the "Sheffield Rally" moment that the Tory posters on here would have us believe. The Tory campaign in this election seems to amount to little beyond vilifying Miliband personally and denigrating the Scots, not a great basis for 5 more years of a Cameron government.Plato said:As a Labourman -what do you think of it?
OllyT said:
The press have already gone over the top slinging abuse at Miliband so I seriously doubt this will do any damage. I reckon this about Ed's 10th "Sheffield Rally" moment to date according to the PB Tories! Ultimately the penny might drop that vicious personal attacks by the Mail & Murdoch are actually counter productive to many voters.Casino_Royale said:WTF is the deal with that stone? Is this Miliband's Sheffield rally moment?
The press should be all over this: sinking their teeth in to the simple extreme-weirdness of this, and it's smack of megalomania, and hubris.
By all objective criteria I should be a Tory and I like Cameron's social liberalism but the party (or rather many of its supporters) haven't really got rid of the "nasty" tag for me. I think the Tories have the best economic message but suspect that once the election is over they will advance the interests of the wealthy over everybody else. I voted Lib Dem for years and probably would do so if I lived in a Lib Dem/Tory marginal. Much of what Labour does is probably doomed to failure but I believe they are genuinely committed to trying to help the people at the bottom of the heap so am happy to give them a tactical vote this time.0 -
Are you at the end of the pier all Bank Hols?!
Dimitry said:
The Eddystone rocks!CarlottaVance said:Edstone is now no 1 on UK Twitter.
As Tim Stanley observes: Some 12-year old running Labour's campaign is right now shouting "The #EdStone is trending on Twitter! I said it was a good idea!"0 -
Sunil Prasannan @Sunil_P2 · 2m2 minutes ago
Labour leads in ELBOW (Electoral LeaderBoard Of the Week) since August. Including all polls. Lab lead 1st May = 0.1%
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A picture is worth a thousand words. Any enlightened person would be appalled by the Labour politicians endorsing this grotesque sexual segregation shown at that public meeting in the UK. Shame on you for supporting these power hungry frauds.Roger said:MM
"This political event was a Jewish wedding? A Barmitzva? Who knew."
Any political event at an orthodox place of worship or anywhere else for that matter would divide the sexes exactly as you see in those photos. I'm just surprised no one ever shows those. I wouldn't though I've been to several because I couldn't care less if this is how they want to organize themselves.0 -
Ah, a policy - it looks like the Tories will be increasing tuition fees. That sounds like a vote winner.0
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@MikeK
'“@SuperOldHolborn: @ranty_man @flashboy @Holbornlolz Ed does it to himself really.. pic.twitter.com/wlAtZ8xksf”<< FANTASTIC
11:25 AM - 3 May 2015
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Was this an Arnie Graf idea ?The sort of puerile crap that would be used in a US election?
Ed has 6 totally meaningless, unmeasurable election pledges carved on a piece of rock in case he forgets them.
He really believes voters are that childish,as stunts go it's bullshit on stilts.
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Good morning, I have been reading on PB this morning about Labour's 6,893rd campaign disaster since March. It is unsurprising that they are now on 8 per cent and their leader's seat is in jeopardy. Or am I getting my parties confused?0
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And Labour will be cutting them for rich graduates......whodathunkit?SandyRentool said:Ah, a policy - it looks like the Tories will be increasing tuition fees. That sounds like a vote winner.
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Wait, this pledge monument thing is serious? Really?
I wasn't around much yesterday, heard a snippet about it and immediately assumed it was some sort of political satire.0 -
Has Mandelson opined on Pledgehenge yet? Or Al Campbell?SeanT said:
I thought it was a joke or a hoax, but no. It's real. Go on Twitter, there are lots of photos. And see here.MonikerDiCanio said:
I agree. There is a surreality to Miliband's engraved limestone slab. For those who dislike Labour, it's simply too good to be true.YBarddCwsc said:
I think that is the killer point.kle4 said:
When Cameron unveils a ridiculous gimmick we shall see the reverse, everyone deserves their fun. Unfortunately his ridiculous gimmick of a law to force himself to do something was not as visually interesting, sadly.murali_s said:
Come on Scott - must copy and paste faster!Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: "There will have to be dialogue and discussions between the Labour Party and the SNP about the Queen's Speech," John Swinney #bbcsp
You need to feed the voracious appetite of the right-wing fruitcakes (and they're out in force this morning!) who live on this blog!
Cameron’s stupid gimmick was just more hot air.
Ed’s stupid gimmick is much more visually interesting and has much more comic possibilities.
I’m unclear, does this limestone slab with his pledges actually exist yet?
Everything I have seen looks fake.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3065977/Miliband-manifesto-engraved-8ft-STONE-Downing-Street-garden-reminder-promises.html
It's so obviously nuts, and risking derision - like the Brand thing, times a thousand - I wonder if this is further proof that Labour fear they are losing. So they will try anything.
You just look at Labour and think - where the hell are the grown ups?0 -
Not only that...they'll need planning permission from Westminster Council (Downing St is Grade 1 Listed)SeanT said:
It's so obviously nuts, and risking derision - like the Brand thing, times a thousand - I wonder if this is further proof that Labour fear they are losing. So they will try anything.MonikerDiCanio said:
I agree. There is a surreality to Miliband's engraved limestone slab. For those who dislike Labour, it's simply too good to be true.YBarddCwsc said:
I think that is the killer point.kle4 said:
When Cameron unveils a ridiculous gimmick we shall see the reverse, everyone deserves their fun. Unfortunately his ridiculous gimmick of a law to force himself to do something was not as visually interesting, sadly.murali_s said:
Come on Scott - must copy and paste faster!Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: "There will have to be dialogue and discussions between the Labour Party and the SNP about the Queen's Speech," John Swinney #bbcsp
You need to feed the voracious appetite of the right-wing fruitcakes (and they're out in force this morning!) who live on this blog!
Cameron’s stupid gimmick was just more hot air.
Ed’s stupid gimmick is much more visually interesting and has much more comic possibilities.
I’m unclear, does this limestone slab with his pledges actually exist yet?
Everything I have seen looks fake.
Which party controls Westminster Council? ||Innocent Face||0 -
@SandyRentool
'Ah, a policy - it looks like the Tories will be increasing tuition fees. That sounds like a vote winner.'
That's funny coming from a supporter of the party that introduced tuition fees ,said they wouldn't increase them and then trebled them.
Anyone still gullible enough to believe Labour again?0 -
It is a good thing David Cameron has never belonged to a club for fifteen years that is not only sex-segregated but that forbids women from its premises, let alone membership.MonikerDiCanio said:
A picture is worth a thousand words. Any enlightened person would be appalled by the Labour politicians endorsing this grotesque sexual segregation shown at that public meeting in the UK. Shame on you for supporting these power hungry frauds.Roger said:MM
"This political event was a Jewish wedding? A Barmitzva? Who knew."
Any political event at an orthodox place of worship or anywhere else for that matter would divide the sexes exactly as you see in those photos. I'm just surprised no one ever shows those. I wouldn't though I've been to several because I couldn't care less if this is how they want to organize themselves.0 -
All that is being done is pointing out it is idiotic, it doesn't matter if they are 10% ahead or behind it would be idiotic. Sure, it's not going to cost them the election, but my gods it's silly.EPG said:Good morning, I have been reading on PB this morning about Labour's 6,893rd campaign disaster since March. It is unsurprising that they are now on 8 per cent and their leader's seat is in jeopardy. Or am I getting my parties confused?
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Now: Lab ELBOW leads split into YouGov and non-YouGov polls, since August:
Sunil Prasannan @Sunil_P2 · 24s24 seconds ago
#Labour leads in ELBOW since August. Split into YouGov polls, and non-YG. Last few weeks, YG more favourable to Lab.
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There's also a fundamental difference between tolerating something in the context of a religious event and carrying that over into the organisation of every day life.MonikerDiCanio said:
A picture is worth a thousand words. Any enlightened person would be appalled by the Labour politicians endorsing this grotesque sexual segregation shown at that public meeting in the UK. Shame on you for supporting these power hungry frauds.Roger said:MM
"This political event was a Jewish wedding? A Barmitzva? Who knew."
Any political event at an orthodox place of worship or anywhere else for that matter would divide the sexes exactly as you see in those photos. I'm just surprised no one ever shows those. I wouldn't though I've been to several because I couldn't care less if this is how they want to organize themselves.
Equality of citizens has to be something that British politicians stand up for.0 -
Correct, it's a delicate trade-off.SeanT said:
OTOH these millions of retweeted photos of the Labour Leader standing in front of his Eight Foot Pledge Menhir reinforce the Tories' core message that Ed Miliband is a massive twat.edmundintokyo said:
OTOH the Fake Elvis Moment didn't actually seem to cost Labour any votes to speak of, and you just published Labour's core message into your 3,137 followers' streams.SeanT said:And thus it was our forefathers erected the first mighty stone, that in future would become... Pledgehenge
I think this is actually funnier and more embarrassingly ridiculous than Gordon Brown's Fake Elvis Moment. Who could have imagined they would beat that?
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SeanT
Thwy already hold that opinion though. This isn't going to change anything other than to amuse people who already have a set view.0 -
Serious Question - did you read about the man who Morris Danced 200 miles across Britain?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. kle4: n00b.
Mr. halv, welcome to pb.com.
BTW I regularly drive past Cecil Sharp Place.
I must say most Morris Dancers I have come across recently do not drink half as much as I expected them to.0 -
Curiously enough, no tweets from Alastair Campbell on EdStone:
Bad weather. Royal baby news sponge. Another day for @UKLabour superior ground operation and activism to come into its own. #beatmediabias0 -
Which error is this? Miliband's 6 Commandments or 'pink bus' Labour supporting the segregation of men and women?kle4 said:
All that is being done is pointing out it is idiotic, it doesn't matter if they are 10% ahead or behind it would be idiotic. Sure, it's not going to cost them the election, but my gods it's silly.EPG said:Good morning, I have been reading on PB this morning about Labour's 6,893rd campaign disaster since March. It is unsurprising that they are now on 8 per cent and their leader's seat is in jeopardy. Or am I getting my parties confused?
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You know, it usually takes a good long stretch in Downing St for politicians to go a bit mad, as Thatcher and Blair demonstrated. Weird Ed's monolith makes it seem he's already halfway there.0
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MikeK said:
This can't be shown enough!
Where are the PB Labour supporters, when this and worse is happening?.@UKLabour Think segregation of the sexes is the way forward in 21st cent as long as those segregated vote for them! pic.twitter.com/aib6AA7RQr
— QueeniesSoapbox (@QueeniesSoapbox) May 3, 2015
Dromey, Byrne and other speakers should have refused to address the audience. Religion is not, in my opinion an excuse for sexual discrimination.Roger said:MM
"This political event was a Jewish wedding? A Barmitzva? Who knew."
Any political event at an orthodox place of worship or anywhere else for that matter would divide the sexes exactly as you see in those photos. I'm just surprised no one ever shows those. I wouldn't though I've been to several because I couldn't care less if this is how they want to organize themselves.0 -
And now, the one you've all been waiting for. Labour leads in ELBOW going back to August, this time split into Phone and Online polls
Sunil Prasannan @Sunil_P2 · 24s24 seconds ago
#Labour leads in ELBOW since August. Split into Phone polls and Online. During 2015, phone more favourable to #Tories
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/5948255747885096960 -
You wish.IOS said:SeanT
Thwy already hold that opinion though. This isn't going to change anything other than to amuse people who already have a set view.
It's a monumental disaster for EdM and Labour.0 -
Is David Cameron tweeting club photo's in an election campaign as a reason to vote for him, as the sex-segregated photo was tweeted by the Labour Party candidates yesterday?EPG said:
It is a good thing David Cameron has never belonged to a club for fifteen years that is not only sex-segregated but that forbids women from its premises, let alone membership.MonikerDiCanio said:
A picture is worth a thousand words. Any enlightened person would be appalled by the Labour politicians endorsing this grotesque sexual segregation shown at that public meeting in the UK. Shame on you for supporting these power hungry frauds.Roger said:MM
"This political event was a Jewish wedding? A Barmitzva? Who knew."
Any political event at an orthodox place of worship or anywhere else for that matter would divide the sexes exactly as you see in those photos. I'm just surprised no one ever shows those. I wouldn't though I've been to several because I couldn't care less if this is how they want to organize themselves.0 -
You have to remember he forgot to mention the economy in his conference speech. And there are only 4 corners to knot in a handkerchief.john_zims said:@MikeK
'“@SuperOldHolborn: @ranty_man @flashboy @Holbornlolz Ed does it to himself really.. pic.twitter.com/wlAtZ8xksf”0 -
I know it is difficult for us to understand, but the real world electorate includes a large number of waverers who make up their minds in the final few days of a campaign. Sometimes they decide not to vote.IOS said:SeanT
Thwy already hold that opinion though. This isn't going to change anything other than to amuse people who already have a set view.
These are the people who broke for Brown in 2010 because there was a bit of doubt about giving power to GO and DC when the economy was panning.
They broke for Major in 92 despite Britain being in a bad shape economically.
They vote entirely based on perception of competence. Standing in front of a massive stone with some wishy washy pledges does not scream competence. The Sheffield rally did not scream competence. Worse, they both look immature and presumptuous.
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Mr. Flightpath, I did read that story (although I thought it was 100 miles).
I must admit, I am not actually a morris dancer. I fear that at the Ilkley gathering fellow PBers were disappointed by that.0 -
I had to go through the grizzly business of shaving off my new beard this morning (after a month herself had put her foot finally and very firmly down). However, I left my sideburns longer than is common these days because if we are going back to the 1970s facial hair may well become fashionable again and I will be ahead of the trend.
On the subject of going back to the seventies Mr. JimmyCzz upthread longs for an "Old Labour" government seemingly oblivious of the fact that the last government to do real austerity was in fact the last "Old Labour" government.0 -
I attended the verification of postal votes at the Norwich North by election in July 2009. The votes are NOT tallied at all but placed face downwards. A keen eye,however, can ascertain where the X has been placed and arrive at their own tallies on that basis. I have to say that having observed circa 1200 votes I made a forecast of likely % share which turned out to be pretty well spot on- I was quite clear that UKIP had beaten the Greens for fourth place which surprised many people. Having said that, the verification was but a few days in advance of the election. Moreover turnout was only 45% or so at the byelection so perhaps the postal returns accounted for a higher % of the total than would normally be the case. I would also make the point that postal votes – notwithstanding that older voters are more likely to use them – are likely to provide a good sample of the seat as a whole because there is no indication at all as to which ward a particular vote relates toroserees64 said:Just to set the record straight, any opening of postal votes would be confined to the outer envelope. The inner envelope containing voting intention is opened at the count. It is all nonsense!
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The New Statesman's take on EdStone:
http://www.newstatesman.com/media-mole/2015/05/pledges-carved-stone-ed-milibands-policy-cenotaph-mocked-twitter0 -
That is the biggest shock of the campaign!Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Flightpath, I did read that story (although I thought it was 100 miles).
I must admit, I am not actually a morris dancer. I fear that at the Ilkley gathering fellow PBers were disappointed by that.
What next? JackW not really 115 years old?0 -
My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
Ed Stone - Miliband's Ozymandias moment or is it monument.0 -
You could not care less about segregation of women?Roger said:MM
"This political event was a Jewish wedding? A Barmitzva? Who knew."
Any political event at an orthodox place of worship or anywhere else for that matter would divide the sexes exactly as you see in those photos. I'm just surprised no one ever shows those. I wouldn't though I've been to several because I couldn't care less if this is how they want to organize themselves.
Why hold a political rally in a place of worship anyway - or anywhere - where you allow the segregation of the sexes? It was politics being discussed not religion.
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From that article
https://twitter.com/flashboy/status/594800076784033792CarlottaVance said:The New Statesman's take on EdStone:
http://www.newstatesman.com/media-mole/2015/05/pledges-carved-stone-ed-milibands-policy-cenotaph-mocked-twitter0 -
@carrieapples: So Alex Salmond unveiled a commemorative stone inscribed with a pledge just before he resigned... #EdStone http://t.co/WRTTQMtCS60
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I presume you at least always wear the outfit of a morris dancer, even if you do not partake of the lifestyle?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Flightpath, I did read that story (although I thought it was 100 miles).
I must admit, I am not actually a morris dancer. I fear that at the Ilkley gathering fellow PBers were disappointed by that.0 -
My latest UK-Elect forecast is here:
May 3 UK-Elect forecast
As usual it takes into account the latest constituency, regional and national polls and shows detailed top 3 forecasts for every UK constituency.0 -
How many on here are old enough to remember the CotE (Dennis Healey) turning round from Heathrow because the IMF were in town?HurstLlama said:On the subject of going back to the seventies Mr. JimmyCzz upthread longs for an "Old Labour" government seemingly oblivious of the fact that the last government to do real austerity was in fact the last "Old Labour" government.
There may be a reason older people are more Conservative, and not just age....0 -
@George_Osborne: Carving stone monument for Downing Street garden looks like a Sheffield Rally moment. Once again, Ed Miliband's judgement not rock solid0
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Mr. kle4, no, but I do always take my wiffle stick with me.0
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He's back
How many tweets can he go at a minute now...0 -
@MrHarryCole: DC mocking Ed: "I think if you’ve got a problem with judgment, I don’t think that is going to help."0
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Ooh, Con 271, Lab 272. An equal score would be the funnier result, although if it were Con 272, Lab 271, I wonder if Cameron would go ahead with his purported plan to declare victory.ukelect said:My latest UK-Elect forecast is here:
May 3 UK-Elect forecast
As usual it takes into account the latest constituency, regional and national polls and shows detailed top 3 forecasts for every UK constituency.
To my mind too many people are discounting the possibility of Lab most seats, even if it is not by much,0
