I took a look at the Tory PPB and thought it was fine. A better idea than those soft focus babies and using a theme that makes sense. 'They screwed the economy and we've tried to fix it'.
The well tried format with the clock was going well until Cameron came on. What is the matter with him? The idea is the idea. The clock worked His appearance didn't. It just reminded those who thinks he's a slippery salesman that it's the same old claptrap.
Even if they win no one will convince me they wouldn't have done better with a less crass campaign
Cam appeals beyond the economic vote. Women in the South, for example, parts of the country where leaning right doesn't work. I suspect he is more popular than his party in Wales, but havn't looked at figures for that.
Clock = right wing waverer vote. Solidify the core vote, reclaim those thinking about UKIP Cam = Centrist voters, particularly in Southern LD marginals.
The well tried format with the clock was going well until Cameron came on. What is the matter with him? The idea is the idea. The clock worked His appearance didn't. He looked like a salesman from QVC.
IIRC we used to call these type of ads "sh*t sandwich' - great idea at start & finish, & clunky pitch in the middle.....
Frankly I cannot see why anyone would want to share a pint with someone who supports a party that wants to ruin Britain
There are people who believe Labour has in the past and will in the future ruin Britain, but you surely cannot seriously believe they want to ruin Britain?
Labour want to put in place a business plan that has repeatedly been shown to lead to Bankrupt Britain. So....yes, until they change their business plan, it is a fair charge.
That it hurts the poorest in society every time and results in fewer people in employment than they inherited damns Labour - the party of the working man, supposedly.
"This can't be shown enough! Where are the PB Labour supporters, when this and worse is happening? "
Hi Mike. have you never been to an orthodox Jewish wedding or Barmitzva or even a synagogue or even a some Jewish schools? The Ultra orthodox even put a curtain between the sexes so they can't even see each other
I'm amazed at the age of 80 that I'm teaching you something you didn't know
Mr. Freggles, could be a second Con-Lib coalition.
Would that it were ... I think the maths is likely to be against it especially if Clegg is defeated in Hallam.
If fewer than 30 seats are held the party is likely to be too shellshocked to want to continue.
The one hand Cameron has played badly is the damage done to his junior partner. That and our electoral system will almost certainly preclude the best option for the country
Mr. Freggles, indeed. An unofficial supply and confidence deal may be likeliest (unofficial because the blues get to feel all independent and the yellows get the luxury of squealing opposition once more).
A second election would not suit the Lib Dems.
For me Labour's ideal result would obviously be to be able to govern securely without SNP or LD support. But the second choice must be to kick the Tories out, out up a populist Queen's speech, and pull the plug at the first sign of SNP interference. Resulting in an autumn election.
This would allow Labour to at least be in the game in Scotland since they could legitimately argue that you cant vote SNP to get Labour. It would also allow the Tories to finish the job of picking off the remaining LDs
The well tried format with the clock was going well until Cameron came on. What is the matter with him? The idea is the idea. The clock worked His appearance didn't. It just reminded those who thinks he's a slippery salesman that it's the same old claptrap.
Although I personally don't find Cameron objectionable, I actually agree the ad would have been more effective without him. Short, simple, no images of party people to put people off. Maybe they'll show it as shorter and longer versions, one with his addition one without?
I thought just that, turned off the moment he came on.
On its own, point made in 60 seconds and made well.
Everyone on the Sunday pol shows has given up on talking policies. Now 100% fixated on who will do a deal with who. Can't we save that until 10 pm on Thursday?
The well tried format with the clock was going well until Cameron came on. What is the matter with him? The idea is the idea. The clock worked His appearance didn't. It just reminded those who thinks he's a slippery salesman that it's the same old claptrap.
Although I personally don't find Cameron objectionable, I actually agree the ad would have been more effective without him. Short, simple, no images of party people to put people off. Maybe they'll show it as shorter and longer versions, one with his addition one without?
I thought just that, turned off the moment he came on.
On its own, point made in 60 seconds and made well.
So, in 2010 Milliband said "“constitutional position is clear” and “very simple”: in the event of a hung parliament “the Prime Minister gets to have the first crack”.
Fast forward five years and Labour are getting ready to call in the lawyers.....
"This can't be shown enough! Where are the PB Labour supporters, when this and worse is happening? "
Hi Mike. have you never been to an orthodox Jewish wedding or Barmitzva or even a synagogue or even a some Jewish schools? The Ultra orthodox even put a curtain between the sexes.So they can't even see each other
I'm amazed at the age of 80 that I'm teaching you something you didn't know?
Let me make my position plain, once and for all. I do know about the Ultra orthodox, and 100% disagree with all this religious mumbo jumbo, wether Jewish or Muslim or Christian for that matter. I left all that behind me decades ago.
"This can't be shown enough! Where are the PB Labour supporters, when this and worse is happening? "
Hi Mike. have you never been to an orthodox Jewish wedding or Barmitzva or even a synagogue or even a some Jewish schools? The Ultra orthodox even put a curtain between the sexes so they can't even see each other
I'm amazed at the age of 80 that I'm teaching you something you didn't know
This political event was a Jewish wedding? A Barmitzva? Who knew.
I'll say it now before Ed's Islamophobia (Prevention) Act 2015 becomes law. It's a fucking disgrace to a modern society.
So, in 2010 Milliband said "“constitutional position is clear” and “very simple”: in the event of a hung parliament “the Prime Minister gets to have the first crack”.
Fast forward five years and Labour are getting ready to call in the lawyers.....
What a guy.
Seems unnecessary - unless the Tories get more than the most optimistic projections and/or the LDs do a lot better than their most optimistic projections and are inclined to work with the Tories again, odds are Labour will together with the SNP have enough votes to get Cameron out. Just bide your time, Labour.
So, in 2010 Milliband said "“constitutional position is clear” and “very simple”: in the event of a hung parliament “the Prime Minister gets to have the first crack”.
Fast forward five years and Labour are getting ready to call in the lawyers.....
What a guy.
They will get the first crack, and be voted down. Problem?
@tnewtondunn: "There will have to be dialogue and discussions between the Labour Party and the SNP about the Queen's Speech," John Swinney #bbcsp
Come on Scott - must copy and paste faster!
You need to feed the voracious appetite of the right-wing fruitcakes (and they're out in force this morning!) who live on this blog!
When Cameron unveils a ridiculous gimmick we shall see the reverse, everyone deserves their fun. Unfortunately his ridiculous gimmick of a law to force himself to do something was not as visually interesting, sadly.
I think that is the killer point.
Cameron’s stupid gimmick was just more hot air.
Ed’s stupid gimmick is much more visually interesting and has much more comic possibilities.
I’m unclear, does this limestone slab with his pledges actually exist yet?
@tnewtondunn: "There will have to be dialogue and discussions between the Labour Party and the SNP about the Queen's Speech," John Swinney #bbcsp
Come on Scott - must copy and paste faster!
You need to feed the voracious appetite of the right-wing fruitcakes (and they're out in force this morning!) who live on this blog!
When Cameron unveils a ridiculous gimmick we shall see the reverse, everyone deserves their fun. Unfortunately his ridiculous gimmick of a law to force himself to do something was not as visually interesting, sadly.
So we've talked through the permutations of leftwing coalitions.
Less has been said recently about Tory options. Am I right in thinking this leak about declaring victory means that Cameron is going to go for a confodence and supply deal with the Lib Dems or govern as a minority?
I guess it all depends on the numbers. Last time there was only one feasible agreement - to be fair to blue and yellow teams they did what needed to be done at the time and it is remarkable that they held it together for the whole term.
I just can't see a decimated or leaderless yellow team wanting to do the same again, and I can't imagine that Cameron wants to be in hock to a few of his more excitable right-wingers, egged on by UKIP. Whatever the result the new government will face an almost immediate confidence vote, it may be that a few tactical abstensions from that vote leave a minority government for however long it can hold together.
Everyone on the Sunday pol shows has given up on talking policies. Now 100% fixated on who will do a deal with who. Can't we save that until 10 pm on Thursday?
Yes, how about we get to vote first, before self serving politicians squabble over who gets first dibs at the trough.
Frankly I cannot see why anyone would want to share a pint with someone who supports a party that wants to ruin Britain
There are people who believe Labour has in the past and will in the future ruin Britain, but you surely cannot seriously believe they want to ruin Britain?
Labour want to put in place a business plan that has repeatedly been shown to lead to Bankrupt Britain. So....yes, until they change their business plan, it is a fair charge.
That it hurts the poorest in society every time and results in fewer people in employment than they inherited damns Labour - the party of the working man, supposedly.
What business plan is that exactly? No doubt you think we should just let 'buisness get on with it' and continue with the pitiful investment, complete misallocation of resources and rent seeking the Tories are so happy with. I have to say I am surprised that after the biggest financial crisis in our country's history the Conservative Party, once a byword for pragmatism, has refused too adapt its economic outlook at all. Just the same old fixation on financial values which never have and never will deliver us prosperity.
Mr. Freggles, indeed. An unofficial supply and confidence deal may be likeliest (unofficial because the blues get to feel all independent and the yellows get the luxury of squealing opposition once more).
A second election would not suit the Lib Dems.
For me Labour's ideal result would obviously be to be able to govern securely without SNP or LD support. But the second choice must be to kick the Tories out, out up a populist Queen's speech, and pull the plug at the first sign of SNP interference. Resulting in an autumn election.
This would allow Labour to at least be in the game in Scotland since they could legitimately argue that you cant vote SNP to get Labour. It would also allow the Tories to finish the job of picking off the remaining LDs
That would just make things worse for Labour in Scotland. We dont want the current Labour party we want something more like old Labour ... much more to the left and an end to austerity that just doesnt help the poorest in this country at all, not just Tory lite.
@tnewtondunn: "There will have to be dialogue and discussions between the Labour Party and the SNP about the Queen's Speech," John Swinney #bbcsp
Come on Scott - must copy and paste faster!
You need to feed the voracious appetite of the right-wing fruitcakes (and they're out in force this morning!) who live on this blog!
When Cameron unveils a ridiculous gimmick we shall see the reverse, everyone deserves their fun. Unfortunately his ridiculous gimmick of a law to force himself to do something was not as visually interesting, sadly.
I think that is the killer point.
Cameron’s stupid gimmick was just more hot air.
Ed’s stupid gimmick is much more visually interesting and has much more comic possibilities.
I’m unclear, does this limestone slab with his pledges actually exist yet?
Everything I have seen looks fake.
I agree. There is a surreality to Miliband's engraved limestone slab. For those who dislike Labour, it's simply too good to be true.
Sunil Prasannan @Sunil_P2 · 1m1 minute ago ELBOW for w/e 1st May updated for ComRes, Opinium and Sun on Sunday YG. Lab 33.9, Con 33.8, UKIP 12.9, LD 8.5, Grn 5.0
Mr. Freggles, indeed. An unofficial supply and confidence deal may be likeliest (unofficial because the blues get to feel all independent and the yellows get the luxury of squealing opposition once more).
A second election would not suit the Lib Dems.
For me Labour's ideal result would obviously be to be able to govern securely without SNP or LD support. But the second choice must be to kick the Tories out, out up a populist Queen's speech, and pull the plug at the first sign of SNP interference. Resulting in an autumn election.
This would allow Labour to at least be in the game in Scotland since they could legitimately argue that you cant vote SNP to get Labour. It would also allow the Tories to finish the job of picking off the remaining LDs
That would just make things worse for Labour in Scotland. We dont want the current Labour party we want something more like old Labour ... much more to the left and an end to austerity that just doesnt help the poorest in this country at all, not just Tory lite.
Which would go down like a cup of Green sick in England.
So on reflection, Labour are clearly going for the Russell Brand strategy here - a lot of people are going to mock them mercilessly for it, but in doing so they figure a lot more people will see their pledges, and it might work on some of them.
It works oddly well for getting the message shared via Facebook and Twitter, which have somehow managed to resurrect the old 90s web publishing anti-pattern of taking a photo of some text and uploading it.
It seems a little bit amazing that seeing things like "an NHS with the time to care" would make anybody more likely to vote for them, but I suppose they've focus-grouped that stuff properly with whichever voters it is they think they need to flip.
Everyone on the Sunday pol shows has given up on talking policies. Now 100% fixated on who will do a deal with who. Can't we save that until 10 pm on Thursday?
The electorate are being taken for fools.
You think so?
I think the electorate are exacting a delicious and exquisite revenge on politicians.......
Unfortunately they may pay a price they don't yet fully comprehend.....
However, when I asked a (Tory) Barrister friend what he thought of juries....'They almost always get it right......'
"This political event was a Jewish wedding? A Barmitzva? Who knew."
Any political event at an orthodox place of worship or anywhere else for that matter would divide the sexes exactly as you see in those photos. I'm just surprised no one ever shows those. I wouldn't though I've been to several because I couldn't care less if this is how they want to organize themselves.
As Tim Stanley observes: Some 12-year old running Labour's campaign is right now shouting "The #EdStone is trending on Twitter! I said it was a good idea!"
And thus it was our forefathers erected the first mighty stone, that in future would become... Pledgehenge
I think this is actually funnier and more embarrassingly ridiculous than Gordon Brown's Fake Elvis Moment. Who could have imagined they would beat that?
Kudos.
OTOH the Fake Elvis Moment didn't actually seem to cost Labour any votes to speak of, and you just published Labour's core message into your 3,137 followers' streams.
Everyone on the Sunday pol shows has given up on talking policies. Now 100% fixated on who will do a deal with who. Can't we save that until 10 pm on Thursday?
Yes, how about we get to vote first, before self serving politicians squabble over who gets first dibs at the trough.
In their defence, people and pundits have been critical of the politicians for not being clearer on what they would do in the aftermath when the result has widely and with virtually no movement been predicted to be unclear.
As Tim Stanley observes: Some 12-year old running Labour's campaign is right now shouting "The #EdStone is trending on Twitter! I said it was a good idea!"
WTF is the deal with that stone? Is this Miliband's Sheffield rally moment?
The press should be all over this: sinking their teeth in to the simple extreme-weirdness of this, and it's smack of megalomania, and hubris.
The press have already gone over the top slinging abuse at Miliband so I seriously doubt this will do any damage. I reckon this about Ed's 10th "Sheffield Rally" moment to date according to the PB Tories! Ultimately the penny might drop that vicious personal attacks by the Mail & Murdoch are actually counter productive to many voters.
I'm not a Labour man, I am an anti-Tory who votes Labour tactically as I live in a North West marginal (Chester). I don't think the stone is the greatest political stunt ever but nor is it the "Sheffield Rally" moment that the Tory posters on here would have us believe. The Tory campaign in this election seems to amount to little beyond vilifying Miliband personally and denigrating the Scots, not a great basis for 5 more years of a Cameron government.
I would be a real floating voter and would probably actually vote on the basis of who the candidates were in my constituency (terribly old fashioned I know!) .
By all objective criteria I should be a Tory and I like Cameron's social liberalism but the party (or rather many of its supporters) haven't really got rid of the "nasty" tag for me. I think the Tories have the best economic message but suspect that once the election is over they will advance the interests of the wealthy over everybody else. I voted Lib Dem for years and probably would do so if I lived in a Lib Dem/Tory marginal. Much of what Labour does is probably doomed to failure but I believe they are genuinely committed to trying to help the people at the bottom of the heap so am happy to give them a tactical vote this time.
As Tim Stanley observes: Some 12-year old running Labour's campaign is right now shouting "The #EdStone is trending on Twitter! I said it was a good idea!"
Sunil Prasannan @Sunil_P2 · 2m2 minutes ago Labour leads in ELBOW (Electoral LeaderBoard Of the Week) since August. Including all polls. Lab lead 1st May = 0.1%
"This political event was a Jewish wedding? A Barmitzva? Who knew."
Any political event at an orthodox place of worship or anywhere else for that matter would divide the sexes exactly as you see in those photos. I'm just surprised no one ever shows those. I wouldn't though I've been to several because I couldn't care less if this is how they want to organize themselves.
A picture is worth a thousand words. Any enlightened person would be appalled by the Labour politicians endorsing this grotesque sexual segregation shown at that public meeting in the UK. Shame on you for supporting these power hungry frauds.
Good morning, I have been reading on PB this morning about Labour's 6,893rd campaign disaster since March. It is unsurprising that they are now on 8 per cent and their leader's seat is in jeopardy. Or am I getting my parties confused?
@tnewtondunn: "There will have to be dialogue and discussions between the Labour Party and the SNP about the Queen's Speech," John Swinney #bbcsp
Come on Scott - must copy and paste faster!
You need to feed the voracious appetite of the right-wing fruitcakes (and they're out in force this morning!) who live on this blog!
When Cameron unveils a ridiculous gimmick we shall see the reverse, everyone deserves their fun. Unfortunately his ridiculous gimmick of a law to force himself to do something was not as visually interesting, sadly.
I think that is the killer point.
Cameron’s stupid gimmick was just more hot air.
Ed’s stupid gimmick is much more visually interesting and has much more comic possibilities.
I’m unclear, does this limestone slab with his pledges actually exist yet?
Everything I have seen looks fake.
I agree. There is a surreality to Miliband's engraved limestone slab. For those who dislike Labour, it's simply too good to be true.
I thought it was a joke or a hoax, but no. It's real. Go on Twitter, there are lots of photos. And see here.
It's so obviously nuts, and risking derision - like the Brand thing, times a thousand - I wonder if this is further proof that Labour fear they are losing. So they will try anything.
Has Mandelson opined on Pledgehenge yet? Or Al Campbell?
You just look at Labour and think - where the hell are the grown ups?
@tnewtondunn: "There will have to be dialogue and discussions between the Labour Party and the SNP about the Queen's Speech," John Swinney #bbcsp
Come on Scott - must copy and paste faster!
You need to feed the voracious appetite of the right-wing fruitcakes (and they're out in force this morning!) who live on this blog!
When Cameron unveils a ridiculous gimmick we shall see the reverse, everyone deserves their fun. Unfortunately his ridiculous gimmick of a law to force himself to do something was not as visually interesting, sadly.
I think that is the killer point.
Cameron’s stupid gimmick was just more hot air.
Ed’s stupid gimmick is much more visually interesting and has much more comic possibilities.
I’m unclear, does this limestone slab with his pledges actually exist yet?
Everything I have seen looks fake.
I agree. There is a surreality to Miliband's engraved limestone slab. For those who dislike Labour, it's simply too good to be true.
It's so obviously nuts, and risking derision - like the Brand thing, times a thousand - I wonder if this is further proof that Labour fear they are losing. So they will try anything.
Not only that...they'll need planning permission from Westminster Council (Downing St is Grade 1 Listed)
Which party controls Westminster Council? ||Innocent Face||
"This political event was a Jewish wedding? A Barmitzva? Who knew."
Any political event at an orthodox place of worship or anywhere else for that matter would divide the sexes exactly as you see in those photos. I'm just surprised no one ever shows those. I wouldn't though I've been to several because I couldn't care less if this is how they want to organize themselves.
A picture is worth a thousand words. Any enlightened person would be appalled by the Labour politicians endorsing this grotesque sexual segregation shown at that public meeting in the UK. Shame on you for supporting these power hungry frauds.
It is a good thing David Cameron has never belonged to a club for fifteen years that is not only sex-segregated but that forbids women from its premises, let alone membership.
Good morning, I have been reading on PB this morning about Labour's 6,893rd campaign disaster since March. It is unsurprising that they are now on 8 per cent and their leader's seat is in jeopardy. Or am I getting my parties confused?
All that is being done is pointing out it is idiotic, it doesn't matter if they are 10% ahead or behind it would be idiotic. Sure, it's not going to cost them the election, but my gods it's silly.
Now: Lab ELBOW leads split into YouGov and non-YouGov polls, since August:
Sunil Prasannan @Sunil_P2 · 24s24 seconds ago #Labour leads in ELBOW since August. Split into YouGov polls, and non-YG. Last few weeks, YG more favourable to Lab.
"This political event was a Jewish wedding? A Barmitzva? Who knew."
Any political event at an orthodox place of worship or anywhere else for that matter would divide the sexes exactly as you see in those photos. I'm just surprised no one ever shows those. I wouldn't though I've been to several because I couldn't care less if this is how they want to organize themselves.
A picture is worth a thousand words. Any enlightened person would be appalled by the Labour politicians endorsing this grotesque sexual segregation shown at that public meeting in the UK. Shame on you for supporting these power hungry frauds.
There's also a fundamental difference between tolerating something in the context of a religious event and carrying that over into the organisation of every day life.
Equality of citizens has to be something that British politicians stand up for.
And thus it was our forefathers erected the first mighty stone, that in future would become... Pledgehenge
I think this is actually funnier and more embarrassingly ridiculous than Gordon Brown's Fake Elvis Moment. Who could have imagined they would beat that?
Kudos.
OTOH the Fake Elvis Moment didn't actually seem to cost Labour any votes to speak of, and you just published Labour's core message into your 3,137 followers' streams.
OTOH these millions of retweeted photos of the Labour Leader standing in front of his Eight Foot Pledge Menhir reinforce the Tories' core message that Ed Miliband is a massive twat.
Serious Question - did you read about the man who Morris Danced 200 miles across Britain? BTW I regularly drive past Cecil Sharp Place. I must say most Morris Dancers I have come across recently do not drink half as much as I expected them to.
Good morning, I have been reading on PB this morning about Labour's 6,893rd campaign disaster since March. It is unsurprising that they are now on 8 per cent and their leader's seat is in jeopardy. Or am I getting my parties confused?
All that is being done is pointing out it is idiotic, it doesn't matter if they are 10% ahead or behind it would be idiotic. Sure, it's not going to cost them the election, but my gods it's silly.
Which error is this? Miliband's 6 Commandments or 'pink bus' Labour supporting the segregation of men and women?
You know, it usually takes a good long stretch in Downing St for politicians to go a bit mad, as Thatcher and Blair demonstrated. Weird Ed's monolith makes it seem he's already halfway there.
"This political event was a Jewish wedding? A Barmitzva? Who knew."
Any political event at an orthodox place of worship or anywhere else for that matter would divide the sexes exactly as you see in those photos. I'm just surprised no one ever shows those. I wouldn't though I've been to several because I couldn't care less if this is how they want to organize themselves.
Dromey, Byrne and other speakers should have refused to address the audience. Religion is not, in my opinion an excuse for sexual discrimination.
You know, it usually takes a good long stretch in Downing St for politicians to go a bit mad, as Thatcher and Blair demonstrated. Weird Ed's monolith makes it seem he's already halfway there.
And now, the one you've all been waiting for. Labour leads in ELBOW going back to August, this time split into Phone and Online polls
Sunil Prasannan @Sunil_P2 · 24s24 seconds ago #Labour leads in ELBOW since August. Split into Phone polls and Online. During 2015, phone more favourable to #Tories
You know, it usually takes a good long stretch in Downing St for politicians to go a bit mad, as Thatcher and Blair demonstrated. Weird Ed's monolith makes it seem he's already halfway there.
"Worse than Brown" is a phrase we will hear repeated a lot.
"This political event was a Jewish wedding? A Barmitzva? Who knew."
Any political event at an orthodox place of worship or anywhere else for that matter would divide the sexes exactly as you see in those photos. I'm just surprised no one ever shows those. I wouldn't though I've been to several because I couldn't care less if this is how they want to organize themselves.
A picture is worth a thousand words. Any enlightened person would be appalled by the Labour politicians endorsing this grotesque sexual segregation shown at that public meeting in the UK. Shame on you for supporting these power hungry frauds.
It is a good thing David Cameron has never belonged to a club for fifteen years that is not only sex-segregated but that forbids women from its premises, let alone membership.
Is David Cameron tweeting club photo's in an election campaign as a reason to vote for him, as the sex-segregated photo was tweeted by the Labour Party candidates yesterday?
Thwy already hold that opinion though. This isn't going to change anything other than to amuse people who already have a set view.
I know it is difficult for us to understand, but the real world electorate includes a large number of waverers who make up their minds in the final few days of a campaign. Sometimes they decide not to vote.
These are the people who broke for Brown in 2010 because there was a bit of doubt about giving power to GO and DC when the economy was panning.
They broke for Major in 92 despite Britain being in a bad shape economically.
They vote entirely based on perception of competence. Standing in front of a massive stone with some wishy washy pledges does not scream competence. The Sheffield rally did not scream competence. Worse, they both look immature and presumptuous.
I had to go through the grizzly business of shaving off my new beard this morning (after a month herself had put her foot finally and very firmly down). However, I left my sideburns longer than is common these days because if we are going back to the 1970s facial hair may well become fashionable again and I will be ahead of the trend.
On the subject of going back to the seventies Mr. JimmyCzz upthread longs for an "Old Labour" government seemingly oblivious of the fact that the last government to do real austerity was in fact the last "Old Labour" government.
Just to set the record straight, any opening of postal votes would be confined to the outer envelope. The inner envelope containing voting intention is opened at the count. It is all nonsense!
I attended the verification of postal votes at the Norwich North by election in July 2009. The votes are NOT tallied at all but placed face downwards. A keen eye,however, can ascertain where the X has been placed and arrive at their own tallies on that basis. I have to say that having observed circa 1200 votes I made a forecast of likely % share which turned out to be pretty well spot on- I was quite clear that UKIP had beaten the Greens for fourth place which surprised many people. Having said that, the verification was but a few days in advance of the election. Moreover turnout was only 45% or so at the byelection so perhaps the postal returns accounted for a higher % of the total than would normally be the case. I would also make the point that postal votes – notwithstanding that older voters are more likely to use them – are likely to provide a good sample of the seat as a whole because there is no indication at all as to which ward a particular vote relates to
"This political event was a Jewish wedding? A Barmitzva? Who knew."
Any political event at an orthodox place of worship or anywhere else for that matter would divide the sexes exactly as you see in those photos. I'm just surprised no one ever shows those. I wouldn't though I've been to several because I couldn't care less if this is how they want to organize themselves.
You could not care less about segregation of women? Why hold a political rally in a place of worship anyway - or anywhere - where you allow the segregation of the sexes? It was politics being discussed not religion.
On the subject of going back to the seventies Mr. JimmyCzz upthread longs for an "Old Labour" government seemingly oblivious of the fact that the last government to do real austerity was in fact the last "Old Labour" government.
How many on here are old enough to remember the CotE (Dennis Healey) turning round from Heathrow because the IMF were in town?
There may be a reason older people are more Conservative, and not just age....
@George_Osborne: Carving stone monument for Downing Street garden looks like a Sheffield Rally moment. Once again, Ed Miliband's judgement not rock solid
As usual it takes into account the latest constituency, regional and national polls and shows detailed top 3 forecasts for every UK constituency.
Ooh, Con 271, Lab 272. An equal score would be the funnier result, although if it were Con 272, Lab 271, I wonder if Cameron would go ahead with his purported plan to declare victory.
To my mind too many people are discounting the possibility of Lab most seats, even if it is not by much,
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Clock = right wing waverer vote. Solidify the core vote, reclaim those thinking about UKIP
Cam = Centrist voters, particularly in Southern LD marginals.
I am not responsible for the photo or the spelling.
I will answer that - gimmicky and will change no votes.
Positives: may get cut through when everyone is talking about baby and the fight
Negatives: a bit naff that doesn't really make you look dynamic
That it hurts the poorest in society every time and results in fewer people in employment than they inherited damns Labour - the party of the working man, supposedly.
"This can't be shown enough!
Where are the PB Labour supporters, when this and worse is happening? "
Hi Mike. have you never been to an orthodox Jewish wedding or Barmitzva or even a synagogue or even a some Jewish schools? The Ultra orthodox even put a curtain between the sexes so they can't even see each other
I'm amazed at the age of 80 that I'm teaching you something you didn't know
If fewer than 30 seats are held the party is likely to be too shellshocked to want to continue.
The one hand Cameron has played badly is the damage done to his junior partner. That and our electoral system will almost certainly preclude the best option for the country
This would allow Labour to at least be in the game in Scotland since they could legitimately argue that you cant vote SNP to get Labour.
It would also allow the Tories to finish the job of picking off the remaining LDs
On its own, point made in 60 seconds and made well.
It proves who is in control - and it ain't Labour.
Fast forward five years and Labour are getting ready to call in the lawyers.....
What a guy.
Well Labour just said that it would veto the SNP from having another vote.
I'll say it now before Ed's Islamophobia (Prevention) Act 2015 becomes law. It's a fucking disgrace to a modern society.
Cameron’s stupid gimmick was just more hot air.
Ed’s stupid gimmick is much more visually interesting and has much more comic possibilities.
I’m unclear, does this limestone slab with his pledges actually exist yet?
Everything I have seen looks fake.
I just can't see a decimated or leaderless yellow team wanting to do the same again, and I can't imagine that Cameron wants to be in hock to a few of his more excitable right-wingers, egged on by UKIP. Whatever the result the new government will face an almost immediate confidence vote, it may be that a few tactical abstensions from that vote leave a minority government for however long it can hold together.
The electorate are being taken for fools.
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/594817333664817152
ELBOW for w/e 1st May updated for ComRes, Opinium and Sun on Sunday YG. Lab 33.9, Con 33.8, UKIP 12.9, LD 8.5, Grn 5.0
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/594819287438721024
Federalism now.
It seems a little bit amazing that seeing things like "an NHS with the time to care" would make anybody more likely to vote for them, but I suppose they've focus-grouped that stuff properly with whichever voters it is they think they need to flip.
I think the electorate are exacting a delicious and exquisite revenge on politicians.......
Unfortunately they may pay a price they don't yet fully comprehend.....
However, when I asked a (Tory) Barrister friend what he thought of juries....'They almost always get it right......'
"This political event was a Jewish wedding? A Barmitzva? Who knew."
Any political event at an orthodox place of worship or anywhere else for that matter would divide the sexes exactly as you see in those photos. I'm just surprised no one ever shows those. I wouldn't though I've been to several because I couldn't care less if this is how they want to organize themselves.
As Tim Stanley observes: Some 12-year old running Labour's campaign is right now shouting "The #EdStone is trending on Twitter! I said it was a good idea!"
He's like a Limestone Vowboy (another tweet...)
I had forgotten about Elvis - genius.
Dougie's seat is not among those listed (neither Curran and Sarwar but it was a given at this point)
By all objective criteria I should be a Tory and I like Cameron's social liberalism but the party (or rather many of its supporters) haven't really got rid of the "nasty" tag for me. I think the Tories have the best economic message but suspect that once the election is over they will advance the interests of the wealthy over everybody else. I voted Lib Dem for years and probably would do so if I lived in a Lib Dem/Tory marginal. Much of what Labour does is probably doomed to failure but I believe they are genuinely committed to trying to help the people at the bottom of the heap so am happy to give them a tactical vote this time.
Labour leads in ELBOW (Electoral LeaderBoard Of the Week) since August. Including all polls. Lab lead 1st May = 0.1%
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/594821628963479552
'“@SuperOldHolborn: @ranty_man @flashboy @Holbornlolz Ed does it to himself really.. pic.twitter.com/wlAtZ8xksf”<< FANTASTIC
11:25 AM - 3 May 2015
View image on Twitter'
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Was this an Arnie Graf idea ?The sort of puerile crap that would be used in a US election?
Ed has 6 totally meaningless, unmeasurable election pledges carved on a piece of rock in case he forgets them.
He really believes voters are that childish,as stunts go it's bullshit on stilts.
I wasn't around much yesterday, heard a snippet about it and immediately assumed it was some sort of political satire.
You just look at Labour and think - where the hell are the grown ups?
Which party controls Westminster Council? ||Innocent Face||
'Ah, a policy - it looks like the Tories will be increasing tuition fees. That sounds like a vote winner.'
That's funny coming from a supporter of the party that introduced tuition fees ,said they wouldn't increase them and then trebled them.
Anyone still gullible enough to believe Labour again?
Sunil Prasannan @Sunil_P2 · 24s24 seconds ago
#Labour leads in ELBOW since August. Split into YouGov polls, and non-YG. Last few weeks, YG more favourable to Lab.
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/594824019473477632
Equality of citizens has to be something that British politicians stand up for.
Thwy already hold that opinion though. This isn't going to change anything other than to amuse people who already have a set view.
BTW I regularly drive past Cecil Sharp Place.
I must say most Morris Dancers I have come across recently do not drink half as much as I expected them to.
Bad weather. Royal baby news sponge. Another day for @UKLabour superior ground operation and activism to come into its own. #beatmediabias
Sunil Prasannan @Sunil_P2 · 24s24 seconds ago
#Labour leads in ELBOW since August. Split into Phone polls and Online. During 2015, phone more favourable to #Tories
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/594825574788509696
It's a monumental disaster for EdM and Labour.
These are the people who broke for Brown in 2010 because there was a bit of doubt about giving power to GO and DC when the economy was panning.
They broke for Major in 92 despite Britain being in a bad shape economically.
They vote entirely based on perception of competence. Standing in front of a massive stone with some wishy washy pledges does not scream competence. The Sheffield rally did not scream competence. Worse, they both look immature and presumptuous.
I must admit, I am not actually a morris dancer. I fear that at the Ilkley gathering fellow PBers were disappointed by that.
On the subject of going back to the seventies Mr. JimmyCzz upthread longs for an "Old Labour" government seemingly oblivious of the fact that the last government to do real austerity was in fact the last "Old Labour" government.
http://www.newstatesman.com/media-mole/2015/05/pledges-carved-stone-ed-milibands-policy-cenotaph-mocked-twitter
What next? JackW not really 115 years old?
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
Ed Stone - Miliband's Ozymandias moment or is it monument.
Why hold a political rally in a place of worship anyway - or anywhere - where you allow the segregation of the sexes? It was politics being discussed not religion.
https://twitter.com/flashboy/status/594800076784033792
May 3 UK-Elect forecast
As usual it takes into account the latest constituency, regional and national polls and shows detailed top 3 forecasts for every UK constituency.
There may be a reason older people are more Conservative, and not just age....
How many tweets can he go at a minute now...
We are at 3 tweets with noting to say in 2 minutes...
To my mind too many people are discounting the possibility of Lab most seats, even if it is not by much,