If those business rates affect Scotland's budget it is perfectly legitimate. As long as our pocket money is based on what Westminster votes for England then there is nothing that should stop us voting on it. Same would apply to your Scottish examples above, you cannot have your cake and eat it. If they do not like it then they should introduce a fair system so that English votes do not affect Scotland. Also you have had a LibDem coalition government twice , once in Holyrood and once in UK.
It may be legitimate, but is also represents an absolute conflict of interest.
Let's say the SNP votes to reduce business rates in Scotland, and then votes (with Labour support) to triple business rates anywhere not in Scotland, but within 100 miles of the Scottish border.
It would be perfectly legitimate, but would it be right?
Charles, No but the answer is not to be undemocratic and ban Scotland from having any say in UK , the answer is to have a proper system where UK MP's voting on supposed English matters do not adversely affect Scotland, ie a proper federal system which has impacts only for the country that votes on it. You cannot have your cake and eat it.
Indeed - which is why, in my view, what the SNP *should* do is to support a minority Tory government that introduces a proper federal system. EVEL is a sticking plaster not a proper reconstruction. But I wrote this in a thread header about 4 years ago shortly after joined the site.
Was doing some knocking-up in Great Yarmouth yesterday with some GOTV for P's & Qs.
I know that people will say that you only see what you want to see but in this seaside town, the UKIP vote in the marginal wards of Bradwell and Caister [where the election will be determined] is evaporating.
A bus-load of FBU heavies up from London was doing likewise, but in the 'Labour' heartlands.
When I canvassed these areas last Autumn [during Clacton & Rochester], UKIP were ahead. So, today, UKIP has fallen-away dramatically.
So, the most recent Ashcroft just doesn't look like what I'm seeing on the ground. Yes there is _some_ UKIP but not in the bucket-loads that's being stated. UKIP does control seats on the local Council. Last year they took 10 of the 13 places up for grabs, equally as it turns out from Labour [5] and Conservatives [5]. So there are people who GENUINELY did vote for UKIP quite recently within the last 12 months in the borough.
We know polls adjust for past-vote-weighting.
I'm just wondering in a General [as opposed to borough or EU vote] whether this is distorting the past vote weighting so that the polls are showing UKIP performing more strongly in the General than they actually are by observable calibration on the ground.
If I'm right, then polls are methodogically over-stating UKIP. My thesis is that a past-vote weighting for a Borough or EU poll should not be confused with a past-vote weighting for the General. Yet it seems that they are.
Can those who look at these things more closely than me comment? Is there a methodology point here that might explain why the UKIP vote appears to be holding up on the polls more than we're seeing on the ground?
Bunnco - Your Man on the Spot
Bunnco, Than k you for feeding back your experiences. I find it really helpful and I wish more people on here could do the same.
I posted something similar last night about Thanet S. I am simply not seeing the Labour vote that Ashcroft is picking up. Likewise another canvasser who was out in a part of Sandwich yesterday-an area Farage will expect to do very well in. He said UKIP support was strong but Mackinlay was getting good numbers and better feedback than a month ago.
I am ever more convinced that some of the pollsters are going to be scratching their heads on Friday morning and wondering where they went wrong.
The Guardian had a video the other day with one of their reporters following a Labour pol canvassing his Scottish constituency. The voters assured him they were going to vote Labour, then told the reporter they were going to vote SNP.
I wouldn't put too much faith in canvassing anecdotes.
Tim Shipman: Labour sources fingering Torsten Bell for Moses Miliband wheeze. Press team caught "between a rock and a stone slab", I'm told........Labour source: "I feel a bit for Torsten on this one because he's been absolutely rock solid throughout the campaign."
WTF is the deal with that stone? Is this Miliband's Sheffield rally moment?
The press should be all over this: sinking their teeth in to the simple extreme-weirdness of this, and it's smack of megalomania, and hubris.
The press have already gone over the top slinging abuse at Miliband so I seriously doubt this will do any damage. I reckon this about Ed's 10th "Sheffield Rally" moment to date according to the PB Tories! Ultimately the penny might drop that vicious personal attacks by the Mail & Murdoch are actually counter productive to many voters.
I'm not a Labour man, I am an anti-Tory who votes Labour tactically as I live in a North West marginal (Chester). I don't think the stone is the greatest political stunt ever but nor is it the "Sheffield Rally" moment that the Tory posters on here would have us believe. The Tory campaign in this election seems to amount to little beyond vilifying Miliband personally and denigrating the Scots, not a great basis for 5 more years of a Cameron government.
The Labour stone is the kitschest moment of the campaign.
It's a great idea, they can hide the pledge about not doing deals with the SNP behind it.
It's been a while since I read Exodus, but didn't the Israelis reject Moses and the 10 Commandments the first time that he brought them down the mountain? IIRC, he got so frustrated he broke them in pieces* and had to go back to get some more.
* I have vague memory that he ground up the broken ones into dust and force-fed them to his people, but that's just weird...
My recollection is that they were broken but put in the ark of the covenant thingy and then kept in the temple in Jerusalem when it was built. (At least until Indiana Jones came along).
You're right - I think it was actually the Golden Calf that got ground up and force fed to them (they were both at the same time, hence the confusion)
WTF is the deal with that stone? Is this Miliband's Sheffield rally moment?
The press should be all over this: sinking their teeth in to the simple extreme-weirdness of this, and it's smack of megalomania, and hubris.
The press have already gone over the top slinging abuse at Miliband so I seriously doubt this will do any damage. I reckon this about Ed's 10th "Sheffield Rally" moment to date according to the PB Tories! Ultimately the penny might drop that vicious personal attacks by the Mail & Murdoch are actually counter productive to many voters.
I'm not a Labour man, I am an anti-Tory who votes Labour tactically as I live in a North West marginal (Chester). I don't think the stone is the greatest political stunt ever but nor is it the "Sheffield Rally" moment that the Tory posters on here would have us believe. The Tory campaign in this election seems to amount to little beyond vilifying Miliband personally and denigrating the Scots, not a great basis for 5 more years of a Cameron government.
Due to the ever changing nature of our politics; it is probably difficult for any party leader to set out genuine policies - if coalitions and minority govts are the new name. Significant sections will never be implement.
Ed's 'values' and 'pledges' (minus the Babylonian statue) are the norm now.
A potential Prime Minister will need to campaign like a US Presidential candidate - no real policies. Just values, pledges and one big commitment. That's it.
What a ridiculous slab!!! But a lot of people are going to see those pledges now.
There are no pledges on that slab, just some waffly bullshit. That is the whole point he is not only stupid but thinks voters are as well that they will be taken in by the airy fairy guff carved on his Tombstone.
Spot on. Miliband has intellectual contempt for the British electorate as this preposterous stunt confirms.
It is just impossible to imagine what kind of idiot could have thought this up and then actually paid for it
The last few days of labour's campaign will be satirized by this amazing own goal. They started their campaign quite well but it seems to be descending into farce with this 'Moses' moment
Miss Plato, Blackbusters was a mistake. This is eight and a half feet of deliberation.
Mr. G, we agree Miliband would be useless, but why would the SNP then actively support the clown?
MD, they would only support him if it was in Scotland's/UK's interests. SNP want to improve the country and at present that means the UK. If that cretin gets in then we can only hope someone ( anyone ) is there to stop him ruining the country completely.
I always knew you are a Scottish Conservative in a future Independent Scotland malg.
Surely it will not be long now before your dream can turn into reality.
How do you go along with all that left wing stuff from Nicola in the meantime ?
York, I just have to bite my tongue and think it is for the future
Please make sure you do not get stoned in Broxtowe with this aspiring Labour MP.
Frankly I cannot see why anyone would want to share a pint with someone who supports a party that wants to ruin Britain and has a track record of supporting it as it ruined it in the past.
Ed Balls wrote £150 cheque to glazier for doing work on his £1million home But his bank refused to honour it, sending cheque back to the tradesman Mr Balls sent an apology and a second cheque but that was also refused
There must be some decent solid working class Labour voters who are somewhat ashamed of what their leaders are doing in their name this morning..how do they avoid talking about it down at the pub.. He,s bought a bloody big stone...written some garbage on it...wtf..
How could you embarrass yourself by voting for the fool.
Last year there was a Better Together plan to carve stuff in rock. Some folk were gung-ho for it while the rest of us argued it would look stupid, like a tombstone & send the wrong message. The only sane Labour person against was @JohannLamont -go figure
So where did this idea originate? Has it been done overseas?
Someone must have been watching the cartoon channel and saw reruns of Fred Flintstone
What a ridiculous slab!!! But a lot of people are going to see those pledges now.
You're clever man, could you tell me how they are going to measured and when and how will we know when they have been successfully achieved.
Well, indeed. Pledges that can't be measured. That's pretty smart politics. Far wiser than saying things like "We'll reduce immigration to whatever number".
If he is a Moses he is one played by Mel Brookes and not Charlton Heston. I could certainly come up with Miliband's 10 Commandments, but I doubt that socialists would be pleased to read them.
If those business rates affect Scotland's budget it is perfectly legitimate. As long as our pocket money is based on what Westminster votes for England then there is nothing that should stop us voting on it. Same would apply to your Scottish examples above, you cannot have your cake and eat it. If they do not like it then they should introduce a fair system so that English votes do not affect Scotland. Also you have had a LibDem coalition government twice , once in Holyrood and once in UK.
It may be legitimate, but is also represents an absolute conflict of interest.
Let's say the SNP votes to reduce business rates in Scotland, and then votes (with Labour support) to triple business rates anywhere not in Scotland, but within 100 miles of the Scottish border.
It would be perfectly legitimate, but would it be right?
Charles, No but the answer is not to be undemocratic and ban Scotland from having any say in UK , the answer is to have a proper system where UK MP's voting on supposed English matters do not adversely affect Scotland, ie a proper federal system which has impacts only for the country that votes on it. You cannot have your cake and eat it.
Indeed - which is why, in my view, what the SNP *should* do is to support a minority Tory government that introduces a proper federal system. EVEL is a sticking plaster not a proper reconstruction. But I wrote this in a thread header about 4 years ago shortly after joined the site.
That would be political suicide though Charles. How long has it taken them to get the dinosaurs away from just voting Labour. The Tories are not liked in Scotland and will never be till they get a real Scottish party in place , they must take plenty of stick given they have seen what is happening and could have had a bit of foresight and saw the opportunities that were going to arise when Labour got crushed. They have failed miserably.
There's a lot of empty space on Miliband's tablet of stone. It's as though they lost heart with engraving the listed banalities when they reached six and skipped the last four.
The space is for Alex and Nicola to add their own pledges and signatures next week.
Frankly I cannot see why anyone would want to share a pint with someone who supports a party that wants to ruin Britain
There are people who believe Labour has in the past and will in the future ruin Britain, but you surely cannot seriously believe they want to ruin Britain?
"So where did this idea originate? Has it been done overseas?"
Thatch used to like slabs of rock to sell an idea. Here's one from the 80's when we all got rich doing COI stuff for a Tory govenment who couldn't spend enough on TV trying to get themselves re elected
WTF is the deal with that stone? Is this Miliband's Sheffield rally moment?
The press should be all over this: sinking their teeth in to the simple extreme-weirdness of this, and it's smack of megalomania, and hubris.
The press have already gone over the top slinging abuse at Miliband so I seriously doubt this will do any damage. I reckon this about Ed's 10th "Sheffield Rally" moment to date according to the PB Tories! Ultimately the penny might drop that vicious personal attacks by the Mail & Murdoch are actually counter productive to many voters.
I'm not a Labour man, I am an anti-Tory who votes Labour tactically as I live in a North West marginal (Chester). I don't think the stone is the greatest political stunt ever but nor is it the "Sheffield Rally" moment that the Tory posters on here would have us believe. The Tory campaign in this election seems to amount to little beyond vilifying Miliband personally and denigrating the Scots, not a great basis for 5 more years of a Cameron government.
Have to agree , both parties are very poor indeed and neither deserve to be running the country.
Slick Tory PPB. Another thing that won't affect anything, but visualizing the metaphor that's been thrown around about not breaking what is being fixed makes some sense.
Back to the important stuff, the slab, another thing its done is got people talking about Ed in the context of getting into Downing Street, rather than what Cameron plans to do should he win most seats. Not sure that's worth however much a block of limestone costs, but they're not short of campaign monies apparently.
WTF is the deal with that stone? Is this Miliband's Sheffield rally moment?
The press should be all over this: sinking their teeth in to the simple extreme-weirdness of this, and it's smack of megalomania, and hubris.
The press have already gone over the top slinging abuse at Miliband so I seriously doubt this will do any damage. I reckon this about Ed's 10th "Sheffield Rally" moment to date according to the PB Tories! Ultimately the penny might drop that vicious personal attacks by the Mail & Murdoch are actually counter productive to many voters.
This is the last weekend before the election, and as it's a holiday weekend people will have more time to read the papers. This picture will be all over them, and may be the last image busy people remember of Ed before they vote.
Anyone wavering may think 'Blimey, he really is an idiot' and decide not to vote for him.
@MichaelPDeacon: Tomorrow: Ed Miliband gets Labour's pledges tattooed on his forehead, backwards, so he has to read them every time he looks in the mirror
Miss Plato, Blackbusters was a mistake. This is eight and a half feet of deliberation.
Mr. G, we agree Miliband would be useless, but why would the SNP then actively support the clown?
MD, they would only support him if it was in Scotland's/UK's interests. SNP want to improve the country and at present that means the UK. If that cretin gets in then we can only hope someone ( anyone ) is there to stop him ruining the country completely.
I always knew you are a Scottish Conservative in a future Independent Scotland malg.
Surely it will not be long now before your dream can turn into reality.
How do you go along with all that left wing stuff from Nicola in the meantime ?
York, I just have to bite my tongue and think it is for the future
Agreed Cameron was a bit thick playing into the SNP hands the day after the referendum .
He is no statesman that is for sure. He sure did not read his history of Irish Independence.
Due to the ever changing nature of our politics; it is probably difficult for any party leader to set out genuine policies - if coalitions and minority govts are the new name. Significant sections will never be implement.
Ed's 'values' and 'pledges' (minus the Babylonian statue) are the norm now.
A potential Prime Minister will need to campaign like a US Presidential candidate - no real policies. Just values, pledges and one big commitment. That's it.
They need to stop the commitment = Lie meme first though.
Ed Balls wrote £150 cheque to glazier for doing work on his £1million home But his bank refused to honour it, sending cheque back to the tradesman Mr Balls sent an apology and a second cheque but that was also refused
Initially when I read that my reaction was that it was unfair to Ed Balls to highlight it. It was on the first instance an honest mistake. But the fact that he sent a second cheque which also bounced franky makes it fair game to highlight his incompetence in ensuring that the second cheque was on a valid account in credit.
Thatch used to like slabs of rock to sell an idea. Here's one from the 80's when we all got rich doing COI stuff for a Tory govenment who couldn't spend enough on TV trying to get themselves re elected
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMnb536WuC0
Saving the lives of tens of thousands of (predominantly, at the time) gay men in the process.....but that doesn't fit the narrative, so is quietly forgotten.....
Scott is going at one tweet per minute. The last Hurrah before he realised he changed not one vote with his 8,000 copy and pastes.
I'll stick up for it. I don't use twitter and am too lazy to go and look, so it's helpful. Hopefully people will provide some Labour and other tweets to balance things out.
If those business rates affect Scotland's budget it is perfectly legitimate. As long as our pocket money is based on what Westminster votes for England then there is nothing that should stop us voting on it. Same would apply to your Scottish examples above, you cannot have your cake and eat it. If they do not like it then they should introduce a fair system so that English votes do not affect Scotland. Also you have had a LibDem coalition government twice , once in Holyrood and once in UK.
It may be legitimate, but is also represents an absolute conflict of interest.
Let's say the SNP votes to reduce business rates in Scotland, and then votes (with Labour support) to triple business rates anywhere not in Scotland, but within 100 miles of the Scottish border.
It would be perfectly legitimate, but would it be right?
Charles, No but the answer is not to be undemocratic and ban Scotland from having any say in UK , the answer is to have a proper system where UK MP's voting on supposed English matters do not adversely affect Scotland, ie a proper federal system which has impacts only for the country that votes on it. You cannot have your cake and eat it.
Indeed - which is why, in my view, what the SNP *should* do is to support a minority Tory government that introduces a proper federal system. EVEL is a sticking plaster not a proper reconstruction. But I wrote this in a thread header about 4 years ago shortly after joined the site.
That would be political suicide though Charles. How long has it taken them to get the dinosaurs away from just voting Labour. The Tories are not liked in Scotland and will never be till they get a real Scottish party in place , they must take plenty of stick given they have seen what is happening and could have had a bit of foresight and saw the opportunities that were going to arise when Labour got crushed. They have failed miserably.
Although, if you get it through, I thought the SNP would no longer need to exist (admittedly a properly structured federal UK isn't quite independence, but it's probably better than both full independence and the current muddle).
If Labour and the SNP have the votes, and they both vote against a Cameron Queen's Speech, Cameron has to resign and Miliband becomes PM. No deal or coalition is required. The SNP then have a choice as to whether they support a Miliband Queen's Speech that promises to increase taxes on the rich, or vote for another general election.
Miliband doesn't need to offer them anything. No broken promises. He just needs to have the strength of will to face down the right-wing press. Assuming he has enough MPs of course. He may yet life the election definitively, making all of this moot.
Its kinda like a last hurrah. What you going to think when you lose PB Tories?
I do not follow in the slightest. I have seen only a few comments daring to suggest this might be a Sheffield moment for Ed (with a question mark), and the vast majority just taking the piss out of something stupid with no indication that people think it will actually change anything.
It is a very silly gimmick, how is it in any way unreasonable for the opponents, neutrals or even supporters to have some fun saying so?
Also, how is 'spamming' by talking about someone else posting tweets better than just posting those tweets, or indeed me posting about someone posting about someone posting tweets?
The stone slab doesn't look well secured, a gust of wind could have caused a tragedy.
And they still have the 'control immigration' pledge - which everyone knows is totally ga-ga.
Maybe they should paint them outside the front of 10 Downing street on the walls in big letters - then when they go wrong they can have someone amend them overnight.
Basically there is a small section of PB that has to live vicariously through politics to escape whatever from their own lives. These posters aren't interested in debate or reasoning but rather just trying to whip up a herd mentality.
Scott is one of these. Seriously all he does is copy anyone on twitter. The last guy he pasted had less followers than me!
If those business rates affect Scotland's budget it is perfectly legitimate. As long as our pocket money is based on what Westminster votes for England then there is nothing that should stop us voting on it. Same would apply to your Scottish examples above, you cannot have your cake and eat it. If they do not like it then they should introduce a fair system so that English votes do not affect Scotland. Also you have had a LibDem coalition government twice , once in Holyrood and once in UK.
It may be legitimate, but is also represents an absolute conflict of interest.
Let's say the SNP votes to reduce business rates in Scotland, and then votes (with Labour support) to triple business rates anywhere not in Scotland, but within 100 miles of the Scottish border.
It would be perfectly legitimate, but would it be right?
Charles, No but the answer is not to be undemocratic and ban Scotland from having any say in UK , the answer is to have a proper system where UK MP's voting on supposed English matters do not adversely affect Scotland, ie a proper federal system which has impacts only for the country that votes on it. You cannot have your cake and eat it.
Indeed - which is why, in my view, what the SNP *should* do is to support a minority Tory government that introduces a proper federal system. EVEL is a sticking plaster not a proper reconstruction. But I wrote this in a thread header about 4 years ago shortly after joined the site.
That would be political suicide though Charles. How long has it taken them to get the dinosaurs away from just voting Labour. The Tories are not liked in Scotland and will never be till they get a real Scottish party in place , they must take plenty of stick given they have seen what is happening and could have had a bit of foresight and saw the opportunities that were going to arise when Labour got crushed. They have failed miserably.
Although, if you get it through, I thought the SNP would no longer need to exist (admittedly a properly structured federal UK isn't quite independence, but it's probably better than both full independence and the current muddle).
I believe they would disappear some time after independence. Tory party in Scotland seem incapable of looking to the future, no matter how many times they languish in elections. They need some new blood that is not stuck in the past , but seem controlled by the old fogies who worship London rule.
@tnewtondunn: "There will have to be dialogue and discussions between the Labour Party and the SNP about the Queen's Speech," John Swinney #bbcsp
Come on Scott - must copy and paste faster!
You need to feed the voracious appetite of the right-wing fruitcakes (and they're out in force this morning!) who live on this blog!
When Cameron unveils a ridiculous gimmick we shall see the reverse, everyone deserves their fun. Unfortunately his ridiculous gimmick of a law to force himself to do something was not as visually interesting, sadly.
Shall I post Labour party press releases - cos that's all he's doing. The last guy even had con in his name!
You can if you want and I certainly wouldn't mind- I won't see them any other way. The only way I see PPBs and the like is if they are on here, LabourList, Guido, LDV, ConHome etc, and the same with party lines.
Basically there is a small section of PB that has to live vicariously through politics to escape whatever from their own lives. These posters aren't interested in debate or reasoning but rather just trying to whip up a herd mentality.
Scott is one of these. Seriously all he does is copy anyone on twitter. The last guy he pasted had less followers than me!
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We should be grateful that at least one Slab will still be around after Thursday.
Again - would you appreciate it if I did the Labour equivalent.
Yes. I prefer original thought too, but I would welcome seeing the official line if people want to share it. If every person posting was doing that, or for the Tories, then it would be an issue, but not one or two.
@tnewtondunn: "There will have to be dialogue and discussions between the Labour Party and the SNP about the Queen's Speech," John Swinney #bbcsp
Come on Scott - must copy and paste faster!
You need to feed the voracious appetite of the right-wing fruitcakes (and they're out in force this morning!) who live on this blog!
When Cameron unveils a ridiculous gimmick we shall see the reverse, everyone deserves their fun. Unfortunately his ridiculous gimmick of a law to force himself to do something was not as visually interesting, sadly.
Yep but this clutters up the site. This is after all a political betting discussion blog.
Back to what this site is about - betting. Labour most seats - it's incredible value.
Was doing some knocking-up in Great Yarmouth yesterday with some GOTV for P's & Qs.
I know that people will say that you only see what you want to see but in this seaside town, the UKIP vote in the marginal wards of Bradwell and Caister [where the election will be determined] is evaporating.
A bus-load of FBU heavies up from London was doing likewise, but in the 'Labour' heartlands.
When I canvassed these areas last Autumn [during Clacton & Rochester], UKIP were ahead. So, today, UKIP has fallen-away dramatically.
So, the most recent Ashcroft just doesn't look like what I'm seeing on the ground. Yes there is _some_ UKIP but not in the bucket-loads that's being stated. UKIP does control seats on the local Council. Last year they took 10 of the 13 places up for grabs, equally as it turns out from Labour [5] and Conservatives [5]. So there are people who GENUINELY did vote for UKIP quite recently within the last 12 months in the borough.
We know polls adjust for past-vote-weighting.
I'm just wondering in a General [as opposed to borough or EU vote] whether this is distorting the past vote weighting so that the polls are showing UKIP performing more strongly in the General than they actually are by observable calibration on the ground.
If I'm right, then polls are methodogically over-stating UKIP. My thesis is that a past-vote weighting for a Borough or EU poll should not be confused with a past-vote weighting for the General. Yet it seems that they are.
Can those who look at these things more closely than me comment? Is there a methodology point here that might explain why the UKIP vote appears to be holding up on the polls more than we're seeing on the ground?
Bunnco - Your Man on the Spot
Great post Bunnco and really good to see you back after such an extended absence. Hope to see you contributing here regularly over the closing stages of the GE campaign.
Sure - official lines - interesting tweets fine. But Scot just knocked up 11 tweet pastes in 10 minutes from a back bench Tory MP and a guy with only 1,000 followers..
So we've talked through the permutations of leftwing coalitions.
Less has been said recently about Tory options. Am I right in thinking this leak about declaring victory means that Cameron is going to go for a confodence and supply deal with the Lib Dems or govern as a minority?
If Cameron does lead a minority government I just wonder how likely and possible it would be to get EVEL through / end Barnett with the help of Labour.
@tnewtondunn: "There will have to be dialogue and discussions between the Labour Party and the SNP about the Queen's Speech," John Swinney #bbcsp
Come on Scott - must copy and paste faster!
You need to feed the voracious appetite of the right-wing fruitcakes (and they're out in force this morning!) who live on this blog!
When Cameron unveils a ridiculous gimmick we shall see the reverse, everyone deserves their fun. Unfortunately his ridiculous gimmick of a law to force himself to do something was not as visually interesting, sadly.
Yep but this clutters up the site. This is after all a political betting discussion blog.
Back to what this site is about - betting. Labour most seats - it's incredible value.
I took a look at the Tory PPB and thought it was fine. A better idea than those soft focus babies and using a theme that makes sense. 'They screwed the economy and we've tried to fix it'.
The well tried format with the clock was going well until Cameron came on. What is the matter with him? The idea is the idea. The clock worked His appearance didn't. He looked like a salesman from QVC. It just reminded those who thinks he's a slippery salesman that it's the same old claptrap.
Even if they win no one will convince me they wouldn't have done better with a less crass campaign
If Cameron does lead a minority government I just wonder how likely and possible it would be to get EVEL through / end Barnett with the help of Labour.
Labour POV has been we need a full scale constitutional shake up but could end up benefitting them to settle for EVEL at this point.
Roger, proposing that the anti-aids COI campaign was an example of "a Tory govenment who couldn't spend enough on TV trying to get themselves re elected" is a disgusting and inaccurate assertion.
Clearly you are unaware of how that ground breaking, brave campaign is now regarded.
" the campaign - the world's first major government-sponsored national Aids awareness drive - would later be hailed as the most successful. Its tactics were imitated around the world. " Jon Kelly BBC News Magazine 28 November 2011
Ed Balls wrote £150 cheque to glazier for doing work on his £1million home But his bank refused to honour it, sending cheque back to the tradesman Mr Balls sent an apology and a second cheque but that was also refused
Initially when I read that my reaction was that it was unfair to Ed Balls to highlight it. It was on the first instance an honest mistake. But the fact that he sent a second cheque which also bounced franky makes it fair game to highlight his incompetence in ensuring that the second cheque was on a valid account in credit.
If only he had written it on his Bankers Bonus account.....
Mr. Freggles, indeed. An unofficial supply and confidence deal may be likeliest (unofficial because the blues get to feel all independent and the yellows get the luxury of squealing opposition once more).
The well tried format with the clock was going well until Cameron came on. What is the matter with him? The idea is the idea. The clock worked His appearance didn't. It just reminded those who thinks he's a slippery salesman that it's the same old claptrap.
Although I personally don't find Cameron objectionable, I actually agree the ad would have been more effective without him. Short, simple, no images of party people to put people off. Maybe they'll show it as shorter and longer versions, one with his addition one without?
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I wouldn't put too much faith in canvassing anecdotes.
When does it air?
Ed's 'values' and 'pledges' (minus the Babylonian statue) are the norm now.
A potential Prime Minister will need to campaign like a US Presidential candidate - no real policies. Just values, pledges and one big commitment. That's it.
Its kinda like a last hurrah. What you going to think when you lose PB Tories?
http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/news/1336423/
Is "Respect white van drivers" on the tombstone?
The whole Labour campaign has been comical but this is the best. Are they trying to appeal to sympathy voters now?
I could certainly come up with Miliband's 10 Commandments, but I doubt that socialists would be pleased to read them.
"So where did this idea originate? Has it been done overseas?"
Thatch used to like slabs of rock to sell an idea. Here's one from the 80's when we all got rich doing COI stuff for a Tory govenment who couldn't spend enough on TV trying to get themselves re elected
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMnb536WuC0
Last chance he will get to tweet spam PB.
No 10 is Grade 1 listed. He'll need Tory Westminster planning permission for it. Good luck with that.
And another:
In Arial? Might as well do it in Comic Sans.
Back to the important stuff, the slab, another thing its done is got people talking about Ed in the context of getting into Downing Street, rather than what Cameron plans to do should he win most seats. Not sure that's worth however much a block of limestone costs, but they're not short of campaign monies apparently.
Anyone wavering may think 'Blimey, he really is an idiot' and decide not to vote for him.
Whoever does his PR should be shot for this.
He is no statesman that is for sure.
He sure did not read his history of Irish Independence.
Ed: Don't worry, I got this
http://t.co/oCoR2S10tR
Shall I post Labour party press releases - cos that's all he's doing. The last guy even had con in his name!
Miliband doesn't need to offer them anything. No broken promises. He just needs to have the strength of will to face down the right-wing press. Assuming he has enough MPs of course. He may yet life the election definitively, making all of this moot.
The Prophet Miliband will not tolerate this sort of behaviour!*
*In case you haven't seen it, Ed Miliband now thinks he's Moses.
It is a very silly gimmick, how is it in any way unreasonable for the opponents, neutrals or even supporters to have some fun saying so?
Also, how is 'spamming' by talking about someone else posting tweets better than just posting those tweets, or indeed me posting about someone posting about someone posting tweets?
You need to feed the voracious appetite of the right-wing fruitcakes (and they're out in force this morning!) who live on this blog!
And they still have the 'control immigration' pledge - which everyone knows is totally ga-ga.
Maybe they should paint them outside the front of 10 Downing street on the walls in big letters - then when they go wrong they can have someone amend them overnight.
Basically there is a small section of PB that has to live vicariously through politics to escape whatever from their own lives. These posters aren't interested in debate or reasoning but rather just trying to whip up a herd mentality.
Scott is one of these. Seriously all he does is copy anyone on twitter. The last guy he pasted had less followers than me!
11 straight posts in 10 minutes with no content of his own.
What would the site be like if I just copied Labour MPs tweets..
If its original thought on here then fine. But scott is doing that. HE is just literally spamming and copying and pasteing.
Again - would you appreciate it if I did the Labour equivalent.
Great dog whistle for Coalition 2.0 there
We should be grateful that at least one Slab will still be around after Thursday.
You can complete your own acronym definition.
Back to what this site is about - betting. Labour most seats - it's incredible value.
7/2 with Ladbrokes (was 4/1 yesterday).
Sure - official lines - interesting tweets fine. But Scot just knocked up 11 tweet pastes in 10 minutes from a back bench Tory MP and a guy with only 1,000 followers..
Less has been said recently about Tory options.
Am I right in thinking this leak about declaring victory means that Cameron is going to go for a confodence and supply deal with the Lib Dems or govern as a minority?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11580110/EdStone-social-media-reacts-to-Ed-Milibands-manifesto-monument.html
The well tried format with the clock was going well until Cameron came on. What is the matter with him? The idea is the idea. The clock worked His appearance didn't. He looked like a salesman from QVC.
It just reminded those who thinks he's a slippery salesman that it's the same old claptrap.
Even if they win no one will convince me they wouldn't have done better with a less crass campaign
Mr. halv, welcome to pb.com.
Clearly you are unaware of how that ground breaking, brave campaign is now regarded.
" the campaign - the world's first major government-sponsored national Aids awareness drive - would later be hailed as the most successful. Its tactics were imitated around the world. " Jon Kelly BBC News Magazine 28 November 2011
If only he had written it on his Bankers Bonus account.....
Where are the PB Labour supporters, when this and worse is happening?
A second election would not suit the Lib Dems.
Or do you only carp about other posters?
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