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MikeSmithson said:

HYUFD said:

IOS If it wasn't for UKIP the Tories would be well over 40%, if Cameron squeezes that vote he will certainly lead the largest party, his EU referendum pledge tonight and Miliband's dismissal of it will help, Netanyahu squeezed rightwing parties votes in Israel to move ahead in the final days without winning any over from the Israeli Labour Party, Cameron could do the same

Unlike the Israeli election where everything is decided on national vote shares same doesn't apply here. This is about 650 separate contest under FPTP.

The UKIP vote is about as close to UNS as we've got (which is why on 15% they'd still win virtually no seats). If the Tories squeeze UKIP successfully, it will result in holds and gains. The great majority of voters in the great majority of seats vote on their perceptions of parties, leaders and policies.

The entire campaign process appears to have done nothing. People pick and choose polls based on the results they like, but if we aggregate the numbers we see the bigger picture

In the first 7 days of the campaign we have 16 polls, with a total sample size of 25,425, combined this resulted in Con 33.26%, Lab 33.89%

In the last 7 days we've had 20 polls with a total sample of 30,043, combined this resulted in Con 33.55%, Lab 33.57% (tonight's Yougov will push the labour lead very slightly).

Nothing has changed, there is no huge blue momentum, it's a statistical dead heat. I don't expect this to change over the last 6 days. The tory media have already flung (both) kitchen sinks at Milliband. Hasn't worked.

GeoffM said:

Monty said:

Let's hope this the last FPTP election. No longer fit for purpose.

If you don't like the result then fiddle the system, eh?

No. I want a system that represents the will of the people and where there are no wasted votes and no need for tactical voting.
I have supported PR for 30 years.

SeanT said:

After tonight..... I stand by my prediction.

I believe Miliband will win a tiny tiny plurality and become PM (or PM of a party that is slightly smaller than the Tories (this latter statement is not my original prediction)).

He will need SNP support and this will collapse by Holyrood 2016 under the weight of contradictions (not least the SNP demanding a new referendum).

Miliband's government will fall in 2016 and the Tories will sweep back into power.

I predict a second election this year.
Miliband might become PM but he might refuse SNP support to kill the SNP scare stories in practice and then go for a second election in the autumn like Wilson in 1974.

OGH True, but if UKIP voters back the Tories in key marginals the same principle applies

chestnut said:

MikeSmithson said:

Danny565 said:

YouGov was also the only pollster who predicted the 2012 mayoral election to be as close as it was.

*clutches onto straws for dear life*

Not correct. Top pollster at 2012 London mayoral election was Opinium. YouGov 2nd.

The worst poll by a long distance at Boris's last election was the only phone survey.

What relevance does London have? It isn't anything like the rest of the UK.

We have very little evidence of polls being tested in recent elections. I'm pointing to the three biggest.

Monty said:

GeoffM said:

Monty said:

Let's hope this the last FPTP election. No longer fit for purpose.

If you don't like the result then fiddle the system, eh?

No. I want a system that represents the will of the people and where there are no wasted votes and no need for tactical voting.
I have supported PR for 30 years.

Grow up

Monty said:

SeanT said:

Can we now - at least - agree that the Debates, in some form, are a permanent part of our political furniture, and that, by accident, we may have stumbled over the best format of all?

What we just saw was by a distance the best 90 minutes of political questioning in this election. All 3 leaders looked uncomfortable, at times, all got a proper interrogation by ordinary people.

The BBC did an excellent job. The only flaw was the absence of Farage. He would have livened it up no end after the non-event of Clegg.

I hope they are now a permanent fixture. But the format needs to be settled and inclusive.

LD Manifesto P132 We will: "Work with the broadcasters to formalise the process for Leaders' Debates in General Elections, helping ensure they happen and setting a clear threshold for those eligible to participate."

Green manifesto P.62 we would" Give fair representation to political parties in televised debates"


Couldn't find anything in the Con, UKIP or Lab manifestos with a quick search I think we'll be in for another fudge. But at least the broadcasters should be more prepared.

@Plato

All I'm saying is that you don't use something as personal as this in politics. If a stranger said something deeply personal to you it would make you feel uncomfortable.
For a politician to do this is just plain wrong.

HYUFD said:

OGH True, but if UKIP voters back the Tories in key marginals the same principle applies

Don't dispute that but the disproportionate move by 2010 LDs to LAB in key battlegrounds could be decisive and more than trump the kipper returners.

asjohnstone said:

The entire campaign process appears to have done nothing. People pick and choose polls based on the results they like, but if we aggregate the numbers we see the bigger picture

In the first 7 days of the campaign we have 16 polls, with a total sample size of 25,425, combined this resulted in Con 33.26%, Lab 33.89%

In the last 7 days we've had 20 polls with a total sample of 30,043, combined this resulted in Con 33.55%, Lab 33.57% (tonight's Yougov will push the labour lead very slightly).

Nothing has changed, there is no huge blue momentum, it's a statistical dead heat. I don't expect this to change over the last 6 days. The tory media have already flung (both) kitchen sinks at Milliband. Hasn't worked.

One thing changed.

The SNP have gone from high 40s to low 50s, quite a significant bump over the campaign.

nigel4england said:

SeanT said:

After tonight..... I stand by my prediction.

I believe Miliband will win a tiny tiny plurality and become PM (or PM of a party that is slightly smaller than the Tories (this latter statement is not my original prediction)).

He will need SNP support and this will collapse by Holyrood 2016 under the weight of contradictions (not least the SNP demanding a new referendum).

Miliband's government will fall in 2016 and the Tories will sweep back into power.

Tory minority best bet by miles.

It is the value play right now for sure.

NoEasyDay said:

Monty said:

GeoffM said:

Monty said:

Let's hope this the last FPTP election. No longer fit for purpose.

If you don't like the result then fiddle the system, eh?

No. I want a system that represents the will of the people and where there are no wasted votes and no need for tactical voting.
I have supported PR for 30 years.

Grow up

That's the high level of political debate I love here.
I'm amazed that the Tories still stand by FPTP. A triumph of hope over expectation.
And nothing to do with fairness or democracy.

Well no one took up my last charity challenge so here is another one. Do you believe that the SNP will win 58 or more seats. If so are you willing to enter a charity wager of £50. I believe that they won't get that many; if I am wrong I pay a charity of your choice £50, and if I am right you pay £50 to mine. First person to accept only. Must be a UK wide charity and not a religious one. My nominated charity is the Cure Parkinsons Trust.

Please accept this in the sporting spirit in which it is intended, irrespective of political opinions.

nigel4england said:

SeanT said:

After tonight..... I stand by my prediction.

I believe Miliband will win a tiny tiny plurality and become PM (or PM of a party that is slightly smaller than the Tories (this latter statement is not my original prediction)).

He will need SNP support and this will collapse by Holyrood 2016 under the weight of contradictions (not least the SNP demanding a new referendum).

Miliband's government will fall in 2016 and the Tories will sweep back into power.

Tory minority best bet by miles.

There's a difference between a good bet and what's likeliest to happen. Con minority at 5/1 is excellent value but Lab minority rightly still favourite.

another_richard said:

And on a totally different subject there's not a Yorkshire cricket match between Wednesday 29/04/15 and Sunday 10/05/15:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/teams/yorkshire/fixtures

Does the ECB really think this is good scheduling ?

The ECB is incompetent. Just like the RFU. And the FA.

Speedy said:

SeanT said:

After tonight..... I stand by my prediction.

I believe Miliband will win a tiny tiny plurality and become PM (or PM of a party that is slightly smaller than the Tories (this latter statement is not my original prediction)).

He will need SNP support and this will collapse by Holyrood 2016 under the weight of contradictions (not least the SNP demanding a new referendum).

Miliband's government will fall in 2016 and the Tories will sweep back into power.

I predict a second election this year.
Miliband might become PM but he might refuse SNP support to kill the SNP scare stories in practice and then go for a second election in the autumn like Wilson in 1974.

The rerun of the 1970s meme.

MikeK said:

Sad story of the night.

MissLeahMarie ‏@LittleMissUKIP 4h4 hours ago
The BBC are disgusting. Decided to tell everyone WHEN WE GOT THERE that only some of us are allowed in for "balance" reasons. BBC bastards.

You can't have it both ways, whining about lack of balance when the dear leader gets gyp from a "biased" audience, then whining when they take steps to balance the audience.

SeanT IOS Mandelson will arrange Miliband's assassination before he gets to do any deals with the SNP if Labour is second on seats

Dair said:

Pulpstar said:

Hanretty:

Con 279
Lab 270
SNP 48
LD 27


An absolute clusterfuck post election.

Hanretty is still miles too high on LibDems and he's too low on SNP.

I'd go with that.

tyson said:

@Plato

All I'm saying is that you don't use something as personal as this in politics. If a stranger said something deeply personal to you it would make you feel uncomfortable.
For a politician to do this is just plain wrong.

If it is sincere, then it is not plain wrong to use it. Don't people ask for more sincerity in politics?

Hearing him mention it does make me uncomfortable in point of fact, but that says more than me than Cameron I think, if we accept his sincerity i feel.

Monty said:

Pulpstar said:

Monty said:

GeoffM said:

Monty said:

Let's hope this the last FPTP election. No longer fit for purpose.

If you don't like the result then fiddle the system, eh?

No. I want a system that represents the will of the people and where there are no wasted votes and no need for tactical voting.
I have supported PR for 30 years.

There won't be a wasted vote in the whole of Scotland, and perhaps not the Southwest either

There will be millions of wasted votes. That's the current system.

Every vote is an expression of preference and as such, matters. The fact that not all votes contribute to the election of an MP is beside the point. Why should they? If that was the prime objective you'd have a single national list giving virtually no accountability over individual MPs or meaningful connection between localities and parliament.

FWIW, I favour PR given the number of effective parties we now have but I don't regard any vote as wasted.

another_richard said:

Speedy said:

SeanT said:

After tonight..... I stand by my prediction.

I believe Miliband will win a tiny tiny plurality and become PM (or PM of a party that is slightly smaller than the Tories (this latter statement is not my original prediction)).

He will need SNP support and this will collapse by Holyrood 2016 under the weight of contradictions (not least the SNP demanding a new referendum).

Miliband's government will fall in 2016 and the Tories will sweep back into power.

I predict a second election this year.
Miliband might become PM but he might refuse SNP support to kill the SNP scare stories in practice and then go for a second election in the autumn like Wilson in 1974.

The rerun of the 1970s meme.

I have a special youtube video to post here in case Labour gets most seats next Thursday, and it is a 1970's one, just to show the similarities.

Speedy said:

SeanT said:

After tonight..... I stand by my prediction.

I believe Miliband will win a tiny tiny plurality and become PM (or PM of a party that is slightly smaller than the Tories (this latter statement is not my original prediction)).

He will need SNP support and this will collapse by Holyrood 2016 under the weight of contradictions (not least the SNP demanding a new referendum).

Miliband's government will fall in 2016 and the Tories will sweep back into power.

I predict a second election this year.
Miliband might become PM but he might refuse SNP support to kill the SNP scare stories in practice and then go for a second election in the autumn like Wilson in 1974.

Which he does how, precisely?

If Miliband becomes PM, I'd expect him to remain in office until at least Autumn 2016 and probably Spring 2017. It's not in the interests of the other parties to bring him down before then. He has to be seen to fail.

Monty said:

NoEasyDay said:

Monty said:

GeoffM said:

Monty said:

Let's hope this the last FPTP election. No longer fit for purpose.

If you don't like the result then fiddle the system, eh?

No. I want a system that represents the will of the people and where there are no wasted votes and no need for tactical voting.
I have supported PR for 30 years.

Grow up

That's the high level of political debate I love here.
I'm amazed that the Tories still stand by FPTP. A triumph of hope over expectation.
And nothing to do with fairness or democracy.

No. I want a system that represents the will of the people and where there are no wasted votes and no need for tactical voting.

I want world peace and no hunger in world where everyone loves everyone.....oh and where there are no wasted votes. And i vote socks with sandals are banned, Will my vote make make that happen


Are you ten years old.

Dair said:

hamiltonace said:

Dair said:

Desperate hatchet job by BBC Scotland on Nicola Sturgeon.

You mean allowing a woman who had been made redundant by the Scottish NHS under Nicola's reign and then ignored when she tried to commit suicide to ask a question was unfair. Don't worry Dair maybe she is not Scottish. I am sure she is really British or even English!!

So you don't support replacing managers in the NHS with clinical staff?

Even the woman herself was embarrassed to say her former job title (it was something like Educational Outreach Project Manager)

My problem with the SNP is not some of the actions but the holier than thou attitude. The SNP have made some tough decisions some of which worked and some which were pretty poor. I run a company that makes medical kits amongst other things. We sell them across the UK but not in Scotland where they would rather buy cheap poor quality kits from China with instruments that are not sharp and made by workers on below poverty wages. Now the SNP suggest they will impose a living wage on our company. Total hypocrisy.

asjohnstone said:

Dair said:

asjohnstone said:

The entire campaign process appears to have done nothing. People pick and choose polls based on the results they like, but if we aggregate the numbers we see the bigger picture

In the first 7 days of the campaign we have 16 polls, with a total sample size of 25,425, combined this resulted in Con 33.26%, Lab 33.89%

In the last 7 days we've had 20 polls with a total sample of 30,043, combined this resulted in Con 33.55%, Lab 33.57% (tonight's Yougov will push the labour lead very slightly).

Nothing has changed, there is no huge blue momentum, it's a statistical dead heat. I don't expect this to change over the last 6 days. The tory media have already flung (both) kitchen sinks at Milliband. Hasn't worked.

One thing changed.

The SNP have gone from high 40s to low 50s, quite a significant bump over the campaign.

Agreed, but as there hasn't been a fall off in overall labour scores, we must assume they have gained ground in england whilst this has been happening in Scotland.

The SNP wipe out of the Scottish Lib Dems may turn out to be the most important event of the night

Indeed I think this has been overlooked.

Throughout their days in the wilderness in the 50s, 60s and 70s it was those heartland Liberal seats in the Highlands that kept the Liberal Party alive. Without those seats, their future as a party of any consequence at all is in genuine jeaopardy.

@SkyNews: THE INDEPENDENT FRONT PAGE: "Miliband: I will not do deal with the SNP to become PM" #skypapers http://t.co/im5LfHEUij

IOS said:

Scott

You still gonna post - sorry I mean reprint - here when Ed is PM?

Of course you are! Its going to be great for you. Lots of tweets to copy and paste away all day long ...

Are you if Cameron is still PM?

NoEasyDay said:

Monty said:

NoEasyDay said:

Monty said:

GeoffM said:

Monty said:

Let's hope this the last FPTP election. No longer fit for purpose.

If you don't like the result then fiddle the system, eh?

No. I want a system that represents the will of the people and where there are no wasted votes and no need for tactical voting.
I have supported PR for 30 years.

Grow up

That's the high level of political debate I love here.
I'm amazed that the Tories still stand by FPTP. A triumph of hope over expectation.
And nothing to do with fairness or democracy.

No. I want a system that represents the will of the people and where there are no wasted votes and no need for tactical voting.

I want world peace and no hunger in world where everyone loves everyone.....oh and where there are no wasted votes. And i vote socks with sandals are banned, Will my vote make make that happen


Are you ten years old.

What a pleasant person you are. Do you abuse because you can't form an argument or is it just for fun?

Pulpstar said:

currystar said:

IOS said:

Anyway - how many people have voted already - at least 15% of the people that are going to vote I reckon.

Not sure there are many people to shift in the center - just about getting out your core.

Step forward the ground game.

As an Eastleigh resident i am stunned by the lack of the feeling of an election in this area. I always felt this was the lib dems safest seat, yet I have not received a single piece of election literature from them and neither have my work colleagues who also live in Eastleigh . It's very odd . The Tories seem to be the only ones who are making an effort. I'm very confused.

Amazing. I'm seriously beginning to wonder if Ashcroft Question ONE might be the correct one.

Eastleigh was a 3 way split at the by election. Since then then the LD vote has slipped further and I cannot see UKIP doing any where like the same. I think the Cons are value.

TheScreamingEagles said:

another_richard said:

And on a totally different subject there's not a Yorkshire cricket match between Wednesday 29/04/15 and Sunday 10/05/15:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/teams/yorkshire/fixtures

Does the ECB really think this is good scheduling ?

That's what happens when a county plays a touring side, another county doesn't have a match as long as we have an even numbered number of counties.

Won't Yorkshire be playing the West Indies at that time?

Cameron got the better of tonight but will it move many votes? I doubt it. I still think that Cameron made a serious mistake in not debating Miliband head to head. He thought it was the safe thing to do because swing back was going to deliver this election to him on a plate.

The truth was very far from these now discredited models. The truth was that it was the Tories that had to take the chances and swing from the hip to have any chance of delivering a win. A major misjudgement based on the models has resulted in a series of too cautious decisions. It is only in the last week or so the Tories have started to appreciate how much they were always up against it.

Who will be the largest party is still too close to call but even after tonight who will be able to win a vote of confidence in Parliament is not.

SeanT said:

After tonight..... I stand by my prediction.

I believe Miliband will win a tiny tiny plurality and become PM (or PM of a party that is slightly smaller than the Tories (this latter statement is not my original prediction)).

He will need SNP support and this will collapse by Holyrood 2016 under the weight of contradictions (not least the SNP demanding a new referendum).

Miliband's government will fall in 2016 and the Tories will sweep back into power.

There is a possibility if scores are around 280 con 270 lab that neither party forms a government because of unwillingness to deal with SNP or with libs if they refuse EU referendum that we end up with an immediate second GE

foxinsoxuk said:

Pulpstar said:

currystar said:

IOS said:

Anyway - how many people have voted already - at least 15% of the people that are going to vote I reckon.

Not sure there are many people to shift in the center - just about getting out your core.

Step forward the ground game.

As an Eastleigh resident i am stunned by the lack of the feeling of an election in this area. I always felt this was the lib dems safest seat, yet I have not received a single piece of election literature from them and neither have my work colleagues who also live in Eastleigh . It's very odd . The Tories seem to be the only ones who are making an effort. I'm very confused.

Amazing. I'm seriously beginning to wonder if Ashcroft Question ONE might be the correct one.

Eastleigh was a 3 way split at the by election. Since then then the LD vote has slipped further and I cannot see UKIP doing any where like the same. I think the Cons are value.

Normally a week before an election Eastleigh turns orange with the number of lib dem banners and posters. Not this time.

kle4 said:

currystar said:

IOS said:

Anyway - how many people have voted already - at least 15% of the people that are going to vote I reckon.

Not sure there are many people to shift in the center - just about getting out your core.

Step forward the ground game.

As an Eastleigh resident i am stunned by the lack of the feeling of an election in this area. I always felt this was the lib dems safest seat, yet I have not received a single piece of election literature from them and neither have my work colleagues who also live in Eastleigh . It's very odd . The Tories seem to be the only ones who are making an effort. I'm very confused.

It is an odd one. I live in a safe Tory seat and received nothing from them yet, classic taking the seat for granted behaviour (I am sure I will get something in the final week as a token effort), but I've had 4 leaflets from the LDs already even though they were 20 pts behind last time, and so will likely be a lot further behind this time. Either they are targeting their resources poorly, or they have some enthusiastic locals near to my location at least.

Safe tory seat - why should they bombard you with leaflets 4 weeks ago? I got mine a couple of days ago. V safe sear.
What do leaflets tell you.

David

You know very well then the Tories aren't taking that seat seriously.

Scott_P said:

@JGForsyth: The stage is now set for a late Tory surge, but the question is can they make it happen http://t.co/QmaXhHQQAe

Translation: "We need a late Tory surge to win"

Remember 1992!

One week to go - LAB clear by 5%!!

GE1992 - CON clear by 7%!!!

CON 38 - LAB 28 real possibility next week!!!!

This Farage debate seems very boring and sterile compared to the QT one. My Sky box cut it out as its got a recording clash with the Mentalist finale and The Last Leg on +1 and frankly I don't intend to cancel either of them to continue watching this boring thing.

david_herdson said:

Monty said:

Pulpstar said:

Monty said:

GeoffM said:

Monty said:

Let's hope this the last FPTP election. No longer fit for purpose.

If you don't like the result then fiddle the system, eh?

No. I want a system that represents the will of the people and where there are no wasted votes and no need for tactical voting.
I have supported PR for 30 years.

There won't be a wasted vote in the whole of Scotland, and perhaps not the Southwest either

There will be millions of wasted votes. That's the current system.

Every vote is an expression of preference and as such, matters. The fact that not all votes contribute to the election of an MP is beside the point. Why should they? If that was the prime objective you'd have a single national list giving virtually no accountability over individual MPs or meaningful connection between localities and parliament.

FWIW, I favour PR given the number of effective parties we now have but I don't regard any vote as wasted.

Agreed
The election is and should be fought constituency by constiuency

Would be like saying Man City should be champions because they scored the most goals in aggregate over the season

Tabman said:

kle4 said:

currystar said:

IOS said:

Anyway - how many people have voted already - at least 15% of the people that are going to vote I reckon.

Not sure there are many people to shift in the center - just about getting out your core.

Step forward the ground game.

As an Eastleigh resident i am stunned by the lack of the feeling of an election in this area. I always felt this was the lib dems safest seat, yet I have not received a single piece of election literature from them and neither have my work colleagues who also live in Eastleigh . It's very odd . The Tories seem to be the only ones who are making an effort. I'm very confused.

It is an odd one. I live in a safe Tory seat and received nothing from them yet, classic taking the seat for granted behaviour (I am sure I will get something in the final week as a token effort), but I've had 4 leaflets from the LDs already even though they were 20 pts behind last time, and so will likely be a lot further behind this time. Either they are targeting their resources poorly, or they have some enthusiastic locals near to my location at least.

Is there a council election at the same time? If do that's your answer.

No council election either. It's weird. I don't really want to decide who to vote for on my 'who put the most effort in' factor (assuming the parties cannot convince me some other way in the next 6 days, but I cannot see that happening) based on leafleting, but it may end up being all I have to go on.

Speedy said:

david_herdson said:

Speedy said:

SeanT said:

After tonight..... I stand by my prediction.

I believe Miliband will win a tiny tiny plurality and become PM (or PM of a party that is slightly smaller than the Tories (this latter statement is not my original prediction)).

He will need SNP support and this will collapse by Holyrood 2016 under the weight of contradictions (not least the SNP demanding a new referendum).

Miliband's government will fall in 2016 and the Tories will sweep back into power.

I predict a second election this year.
Miliband might become PM but he might refuse SNP support to kill the SNP scare stories in practice and then go for a second election in the autumn like Wilson in 1974.

Which he does how, precisely?

If Miliband becomes PM, I'd expect him to remain in office until at least Autumn 2016 and probably Spring 2017. It's not in the interests of the other parties to bring him down before then. He has to be seen to fail.

Miliband can orchestrate a loss on a vote of confidence in order to trigger an election, he might even instruct his own party to vote against the government in order to ensure a second election if needed, and he will explain it as such under the Fixed Parliaments Act.

Would it though? There may well be at least the possibility that Cameron might form a government if Labour had kicked their own party out of office on a tactic.

Funniest tweet of the night -

Alastair Campbell ‏@campbellclaret · Apr 28
One of the many reasons to want @Ed_Miliband to win is that it will show it can be done in the face of enormous corrupt media bias

PB is such a Tory-dominated place. Look who's been posting tonight: IOS, Roger, tyson, Jonathan, compouter2, FrankBooth, Smarmeron, Dair, surbiton, bigjohnowls, the place is stuffed full of Tories.

david_herdson said:

Speedy said:

david_herdson said:

Speedy said:

SeanT said:

After tonight..... I stand by my prediction.

I believe Miliband will win a tiny tiny plurality and become PM (or PM of a party that is slightly smaller than the Tories (this latter statement is not my original prediction)).

He will need SNP support and this will collapse by Holyrood 2016 under the weight of contradictions (not least the SNP demanding a new referendum).

Miliband's government will fall in 2016 and the Tories will sweep back into power.

I predict a second election this year.
Miliband might become PM but he might refuse SNP support to kill the SNP scare stories in practice and then go for a second election in the autumn like Wilson in 1974.

Which he does how, precisely?

If Miliband becomes PM, I'd expect him to remain in office until at least Autumn 2016 and probably Spring 2017. It's not in the interests of the other parties to bring him down before then. He has to be seen to fail.

Miliband can orchestrate a loss on a vote of confidence in order to trigger an election, he might even instruct his own party to vote against the government in order to ensure a second election if needed, and he will explain it as such under the Fixed Parliaments Act.

Would it though? There may well be at least the possibility that Cameron might form a government if Labour had kicked their own party out of office on a tactic.

If Cameron could then he would have done it already by then just after the election.

This is on the event that Cameron can't form a majority after this election, Miliband becomes PM and then Miliband triggers a second election by forcing a loss in a vote of confidence in order to bypass the Fixed Parliaments Act.

LAB posters getting wound up on here!

#losers #labourlol #gobacktoyourkitchensmiliband

IOS said:

David

You know very well then the Tories aren't taking that seat seriously.

Which one?

Farage doing well. Getting an easier ride from the audience than the big 3. Several of the questioners seem to be UKIP supporters