That nearly everyone on here is a devoted Tory..... and that Jack is the only poster who has made a comment which has been objective and therefore worth reading
Not watching, but shocked to find that on PB all righties think Ed is doing badly and all lefties think he is doing well. Whoever would have thought it?
Just wait for the after-show poll... (if there is one)
Not watching, but shocked to find that on PB all righties think Ed is doing badly and all lefties think he is doing well. Whoever would have thought it?
I don't have the down on Ed or a gee up for Cameron, but it seems clear that Cameron won this in all honesty
Then again, when I was saying the debates were a must, the Tories said they were irrelevant and no one watched, so I guess it doesn't matter anyway!
Not watching, but shocked to find that on PB all righties think Ed is doing badly and all lefties think he is doing well. Whoever would have thought it?
Check out the worm - no contest Ed was poor
Pfffft! The worm is voodoo bollocks as any file kno
I'm getting the impression from EdM that he's getting pissed off with this. Not a good look - his voice rises and gets very emphatic. Not reassuring, annoyed.
His voice it what puts people off and his policies and his manner of eating burgers!
Ed is unemployable. If this was for a junior office role, you'd be calling for the next interviewee.
He is that most dangerous person to have in any company - arrogance matched with stupidity.
I divide my officers into four groups. There are clever, diligent, stupid, and lazy officers. Usually two characteristics are combined. Some are clever and diligent -- their place is the General Staff. The next lot are stupid and lazy -- they make up 90 percent of every army and are suited to routine duties. Anyone who is both clever and lazy is qualified for the highest leadership duties, because he possesses the intellectual clarity and the composure necessary for difficult decisions. One must beware of anyone who is stupid and diligent -- he must not be entrusted with any responsibility because he will always cause only mischief.
Clear win for Cameron. He will have won over some Kippers with his vow on the EU referendum, something Miliband ruled out. Also hit home on welfare and immigration and allayed concerns on the NHS. Many undecided voters will also waver over casting their ballots for Labour after Miliband refused to say Labour spent too much. On Scotland too his refusal to do any deal with the SNP is also the final nail in the coffin for Labour as it has no prospect of a majority without a deal. A few good points for Miliband on zero hours but his slip at the end of his half hour summed up his night
Not watching, but shocked to find that on PB all righties think Ed is doing badly and all lefties think he is doing well. Whoever would have thought it?
Just wait for the after-show poll... (if there is one)
There's an ICM.
(Bearing in mind TV audiences are slightly more likely to be Labour voters)
Ed is impressively calm and confident, but I am not sure he has got through this entirely unscathed. Really hard questions
'We didn't overspend'.
That will be plastered everywhere for the next seven days - it will seriously harm him & his party. In things like this it's the 7-second soundbites that matter.
I thought the bearded young blond guy who said "So you'll never be in government then if you won't deal with the SNP" I can see that pinging about a lot.
The most important item from this evening is Miliband's statement about cooperation with the SNP.
That and Ed's shocking denial about overspending. Ed seems to be living in denial - he should have acknowledged a mistake, drawn a line and moved on rather than denying anything was wrong in the first place.
The most important item from this evening is Miliband's statement about cooperation with the SNP.
That and Ed's shocking denial about overspending. Ed seems to be living in denial - he should have acknowledged a mistake, drawn a line and moved on rather than denying anything was wrong in the first place.
He was honest about what he believed and stated that the infrastructure built with that money is worth the investment. Like it or not, that does go down well with some people like myself.
I thought the bearded young blond guy who said "So you'll never be in government then if you won't deal with the SNP" I can see that pinging about a lot.
That could be worth a try for Labour.. "If you vote SNP you will get a Tory govt"
The most important item from this evening is Miliband's statement about cooperation with the SNP.
That and Ed's shocking denial about overspending. Ed seems to be living in denial - he should have acknowledged a mistake, drawn a line and moved on rather than denying anything was wrong in the first place.
He was honest about what he believed and stated that the infrastructure built with that money is worth the investment. Like it or not, that does go down well with some people like myself.
Not watching, but shocked to find that on PB all righties think Ed is doing badly and all lefties think he is doing well. Whoever would have thought it?
I'm no Cameron fan, but he really did put on his best performance. Miliband started badly (verging on awful) improved at the end, but he was mediocre.
I'll wager that most pundits, left and right, agree.
Ed's questioners by far the most aggressive. Thought Ed did well to take them on calmly. Most people would have got angry.
Not watching, but shocked to find that on PB all righties think Ed is doing badly and all lefties think he is doing well. Whoever would have thought it?
I'm no Cameron fan, but he really did put on his best performance. Miliband started badly (verging on awful) improved at the end, but he was mediocre.
I'll wager that most pundits, left and right, agree.
Fair enough. Dave is certainly a far better performer than Ed.
Tony Fernandes @tonyfernandes · David Cameron was excellent in tonight’s #BBCQT - very strong, a great leader”. I was impressed. We need more leaders like this in asean
Imagine if Clegg hadnt reneged on tuition fees. He would be in such a stronger position
I disagree. He might not have had nearly so much flak, but the Lib Dems would still be much lower in the polls.
Why so?
Because your average lefty voter is unreasonable. Clegg, quite rightly, tried to reason with the bloke in the audience that the result of the election meant a deal with Labour would have been very difficult. But most of the people who voted Lib Dem did so because they don't like the Tories. So they were never going to give the Lib Dems credit for anything they did in power.
The elephant in the room: people who don't like the current level of immigration don't care if the migrants are claiming benefits or not - they just don't want them here.
Imagine if Clegg hadnt reneged on tuition fees. He would be in such a stronger position
I disagree. He might not have had nearly so much flak, but the Lib Dems would still be much lower in the polls.
Why so?
Because "tuition fees" is just a hook for people to vent their real anger which is the LD getting off the fence. LDs got both left and right wing protest voters disillusioned in the main left and right wing parties.
By getting off the fence and choosing a side, the Lib Dems abandoned people on the other side of the fence. Tuition fees are an example but not the real problem.
Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.
Clegg just compared the UK economy to Greece. What an arse.
He compared the economy Brown left to Greece. Quite rightly too, Labour left an economy with Greece-style problems that Clegg has had to deal with. Why shouldn't he mention it?
Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.
Is Clegg saying the Lib Dems won't support a Conservative EU referendum plan? If so how can they go in to coalition together? Will this help them in SW England?
Imagine if Clegg hadnt reneged on tuition fees. He would be in such a stronger position
I disagree. He might not have had nearly so much flak, but the Lib Dems would still be much lower in the polls.
Why so?
Because "tuition fees" is just a hook for people to vent their real anger which is the LD getting off the fence. LDs got both left and right wing protest voters disillusioned in the main left and right wing parties.
By getting off the fence and choosing a side, the Lib Dems abandoned people on the other side of the fence. Tuition fees are an example but not the real problem.
I disagree. People understand you dropping the small print, but tuition fees was beyond totemic, it was practically synonymous with Lib Dems in the public mind. It was personal not just political. Of course you'd get many people annoyed that they shacked up with the Tories but not beyond the normal lefty political clique
Clegg is polished. But you can tell no matter how well he does, it won't make any difference.
Think he should have swerved it to be honest.. this will just remind people of the lies he told last time, not to mention the fact it is ludicrous that he is on the same bill as Dave & Ed
Clegg just compared the UK economy to Greece. What an arse.
He compared the economy Brown left to Greece. Quite rightly too, Labour left an economy with Greece-style problems that Clegg has had to deal with. Why shouldn't he mention it?
Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.
I'm a fan of Cameron. Many right-wingers here can't stand him normally. This site often has as much Kipper as Tory voices on the right who are hostile to Cam.
Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.
Can't really agree. probably a small majority of tories, granted. Don't mistake people who think the current Labour franchise as being absolutely shocking as automatically Tory.
tyson Even twitter says Cameron won tonight, and twitter leans left, many if not most of the Tories and kippers on here are not great Cameron fans either
Imagine if Clegg hadnt reneged on tuition fees. He would be in such a stronger position
I disagree. He might not have had nearly so much flak, but the Lib Dems would still be much lower in the polls.
Why so?
Because "tuition fees" is just a hook for people to vent their real anger which is the LD getting off the fence. LDs got both left and right wing protest voters disillusioned in the main left and right wing parties.
By getting off the fence and choosing a side, the Lib Dems abandoned people on the other side of the fence. Tuition fees are an example but not the real problem.
I disagree. People understand you dropping the small print, but tuition fees was beyond totemic, it was practically synonymous with Lib Dems in the public mind. It was personal not just political. Of course you'd get many people annoyed that they shacked up with the Tories but not beyond the normal lefty political clique
If Ed did slip - hope it wasn't as bad as in "The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer" - where the PM slips and falls through a backdrop during a live political broadcast.
The elephant in the room: people who don't like the current level of immigration don't care if the migrants are claiming benefits or not - they just don't want them here.
i think there's a lot of truth in that. they might not want benefits but they'll want housing that almost everyone agrees there isnt enough of.
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That nearly everyone on here is a devoted Tory..... and that Jack is the only poster who has made a comment which has been objective and therefore worth reading
Then again, when I was saying the debates were a must, the Tories said they were irrelevant and no one watched, so I guess it doesn't matter anyway!
In from 1.30 pre 8pm.
had hardly started. he'll be trending now tho for being so bad.
Gave cam 8/10
I think that is probably a fair summary. Ed did very well considering the outright hostility at times. I think the SNP stuff will help him. H
That will be plastered everywhere for the next seven days - it will seriously harm him & his party. In things like this it's the 7-second soundbites that matter.
Neither Cameron nor Miliband had much chance for uninterrupted attacking.
Someone was quick.
I really don't believe that ANYONE is going to change their vote on that!
If he had stacked it that would have been so awful really.. but he didn't so I don't reckon it will matter
I bloody hope so! That could save us around 30 seats in Scotland!!
Dan Hodges ✔ @DPJHodges
OK from Ed. But less confident than Cameron
Ok is good enough for now. Millions have voted and we are heading into power if the polls don't shift.
Arrow bores me nowadays and only watch as a filler.
just finished season 4 Game of Thrones box set this evening so sod all to watch now.
Has this crappy election improved in the last 2 weeks ?:
What infrastructure?
Absolutely. No ifs, no buts. Vote SNP - get Tory!
In Scotland; vote SNP, get SNP.
Coalitions all the way from now on.
Yeah - but we have got to try something.
Tony Fernandes @tonyfernandes
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David Cameron was excellent in tonight’s #BBCQT - very strong, a great leader”. I was impressed. We need more leaders like this in asean
Typical thicko Red Lib
By getting off the fence and choosing a side, the Lib Dems abandoned people on the other side of the fence. Tuition fees are an example but not the real problem.
Are you kidding me! What year what that?
Of course you'd get many people annoyed that they shacked up with the Tories but not beyond the normal lefty political clique
Is there a YouTube clip of that? I cannot view Twitter one.
No wonder it exploded all over him.
The Sun worm says Miliband won it!!