I am actually liking the idea of Ed becoming PM with less votes and less seats than Cameron. I cannot imagine how irate the Daily Mail message boards would be.
IoS just not getting any sense on the doorstep of Labourites being up for it , if anything less than in in 2010. Would have been fery different if you had an Alan Johnson or even DaveM
I see I have drilled into the dental nerve, judging by the response.
Miliband f*cked up with his No SNP Deal shtick. Any government which relies on the Nats to survive will be seen as a "deal". Voters won't care about the careful usage of the phrase "no deal" that Miliband did or did not employ.
Tsk. Big unforced error.
I think the bigger unforced error though was his assertion that Labour did not overspend. That will have greater resonance if the Tories home in on it unrelentingly in these final days of the campaign.
So what you are saying is that you think that Dave was both strong and (what's the word) Commanding.
After tonight I am more optimistic for another Con/LD coalition based on a referendum on the EU in 2017 in exchange for Conservative agreement to the introduction of a PR voting system for both local and national government
I'm not sure. Labour are at their best in opposition and with Dave in office but without the Lib Dems and with Nicola holding him by his bollocks we should all have an entertaining year.
I see I have drilled into the dental nerve, judging by the response.
Miliband f*cked up with his No SNP Deal shtick. Any government which relies on the Nats to survive will be seen as a "deal". Voters won't care about the careful usage of the phrase "no deal" that Miliband did or did not employ.
Tsk. Big unforced error.
Disagree. The Tories have been banging the drum about Labour being in the Nats pocket. Those of us in the party understand it won't play out like that. Labour believes in the union so can't deal with the SNP. Ed needed to say so. It changes the game and is undeniably a gamble, but then all political messages are. It may just return some former SLAB voters back into the fold and win a few Scots tactical votes from Tories.
Not 2. There is no confidence and supply thanks to the fixed term act and there was never going to be a full coalition.
Miliband can't help it if other parties vote down Cameron.
People won't see it that way. If Ed now governs with the unofficial support of the SNP then that will be seen as a "deal" (and with reason) and thus a very badly broken promise.
It was a stupid statement. If he is prepared to rely on the SNP to govern then he should have just been honest - and said what you say. But he didn't. He emphatically said "no deal".
FWIW it is possible he means exactly what he said, because he can see the terrible danger to Labour - possibly mortal danger - of governing in some informal alliance with the Nats, even if he leads a party with fewer MPs than Cameron.
Miliband made it absolutely clear that:
1. there will be no coalition
2. there will be no supply and confidence
What else is he supposed to say ? He can't order the SNP not to support a Labour Queen's speech.
I must say I am surprised he is basically daring them to bring him down. Perhaps that bodes well for whatever arrangement ends up occurring, that he will not be the easy pushover they might have hoped for.
Miliband has surprised virtually everyone apart from D Hodges. He was supposed to have melted during the campaign. Instead he is stronger than when he started.
I see I have drilled into the dental nerve, judging by the response.
Miliband f*cked up with his No SNP Deal shtick. Any government which relies on the Nats to survive will be seen as a "deal". Voters won't care about the careful usage of the phrase "no deal" that Miliband did or did not employ.
Tsk. Big unforced error.
So to be clear, what you are saying having won the election, become PM and established a govt Ed will have problems to solve. I reckon he would settle for that today.
Ha. You have that right. Politicians really are optimists at the end of the day. Kick national problems down the line, do whatever it takes to win in the short term, as no matter how much crap they know will come raining down upon them as a result, they figure they can dodge, or at least grab an umbrella at the last minute. Somehow.
Ed might turn out to be Labour's Ted Heath. The only Tory leader I ever liked. Full of human frailty but a musician a sailor and probably gay. A human being.
Predictably he became a pariah and then came Thatch Howard IDS Hague.....and like Ratners their reputation was irrecoverable
After tonight I am more optimistic for another Con/LD coalition based on a referendum on the EU in 2017 in exchange for Conservative agreement to the introduction of a PR voting system for both local and national government
I'm not sure why pro-European parties like the Libs and Lab are so afraid of an EU referendum. They would win it with ease, and put the matter to bed for decades if not indefinitely.
Desperate hatchet job by BBC Scotland on Nicola Sturgeon.
You mean allowing a woman who had been made redundant by the Scottish NHS under Nicola's reign and then ignored when she tried to commit suicide to ask a question was unfair. Don't worry Dair maybe she is not Scottish. I am sure she is really British or even English!!
I see I have drilled into the dental nerve, judging by the response.
Miliband f*cked up with his No SNP Deal shtick. Any government which relies on the Nats to survive will be seen as a "deal". Voters won't care about the careful usage of the phrase "no deal" that Miliband did or did not employ.
Tsk. Big unforced error.
I think the bigger unforced error though was his assertion that Labour did not overspend. That will have greater resonance if the Tories home in on it unrelentingly in these final days of the campaign.
So what you are saying is that you think that Dave was both strong and (what's the word) Commanding.
Well, I certainly would not demur with your well chosen words
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Will Labour abstain a Tory speech ?!
No They will vote it down and propose their own, and dare the SNP to vote against it.
Which is the right strategy.
And puts the SNP into difficulties - when they've won big in Scotland they're not going to want another election.
But there IS at least one more election - in Holyrood. Whatever the SNP and for that matter Labour want.
What a great audience. Million times better than the sterile debates. Miliband was given a grilling over spending by northerners. Not good for labour that.
Not 2. There is no confidence and supply thanks to the fixed term act and there was never going to be a full coalition.
Miliband can't help it if other parties vote down Cameron.
People won't see it that way. If Ed now governs with the unofficial support of the SNP then that will be seen as a "deal" (and with reason) and thus a very badly broken promise.
It was a stupid statement. If he is prepared to rely on the SNP to govern then he should have just been honest - and said what you say. But he didn't. He emphatically said "no deal".
FWIW it is possible he means exactly what he said, because he can see the terrible danger to Labour - possibly mortal danger - of governing in some informal alliance with the Nats, even if he leads a party with fewer MPs than Cameron.
Miliband made it absolutely clear that:
1. there will be no coalition
2. there will be no supply and confidence
What else is he supposed to say ? He can't order the SNP not to support a Labour Queen's speech.
He's now in deep shit: if Labour get fewer MPs, but he still becomes PM simply because he has SNP support.
It's not something you can easily overlook. He will not only be using the votes of a separatist, anti-UK party to govern the UK, he will be doing so in apparent, direct contradiction of a televised promise.
Like I said, perhaps we should give him the credit, and allow the possibility he is being sincere. Perhaps he already sees the danger for Labour, and will not seek to form a government, relying on the Nats, if he has fewer MPs and votes than Cameron.
Labour could be backed by another left wing party but also PC and the Greens but not formally. I do not agree with your prognosis.
In a perverse way i hope Milliband is pm, relying on SNP. Because every piece of legislation that goes through will be highlighted by the conservatives and the press as having a "scottish cost". He will have to cut, but will have to fight tooth and nail to get it through piss'ng off his backbenchers. Salmond will stich him up every chance he gets pointing out what concessions his made to Scotland on every vote, just to p,ss off the English. Immigration wont go away p.ssing off the wwc even more.
I think EICIPM is an existential threat for the labour party. In fact having writen that I might vote Labour.
Populus will be the test tomorrow. Even as stable as they usually are, surely there'll be a Tory lead or atleast a tie if there genuinely has been movement this week.
KR That was what many said about the Scottish referendum, which tightened as it went on, EU polls already have it fairly tight, In 51-Out 49 is how I would call it
Not 2. There is no confidence and supply thanks to the fixed term act and there was never going to be a full coalition.
Miliband can't help it if other parties vote down Cameron.
People won't seewith fewer MPs than Cameron.
Milibandech.
I must say I am surprised he is basically daring them to bring him down. Perhaps that bodes well for whatever arrangement ends up occurring, that he will not be the easy pushover they might have hoped for.
Miliband has surprised virtually everyone apart from D Hodges. He was supposed to have melted during the campaign. Instead he is stronger than when he started.
I'm not surprised by that - I always thought he'd be decent, he's too experienced, disciplined and professional to be otherwise - I just thought he'd leave more wiggle room. He still has some, I'm just surprised he's gone for the tougher line now, rather than, say, during negotiations.
After tonight I am more optimistic for another Con/LD coalition based on a referendum on the EU in 2017 in exchange for Conservative agreement to the introduction of a PR voting system for both local and national government
I'm not sure why pro-European parties like the Libs and Lab are so afraid of an EU referendum. They would win it with ease, and put the matter to bed for decades if not indefinitely.
Well as we all know referendums don't put things to bed for a long time in all cases, sadly. I actually think they do fear losing. They've waited too long, and even those who do worry about leaving the EU do not like it, and I think they worry about fighting a campaign purely on a dry economic argument. For all the IndyRef No campaign boiled down to too much of that, there were people who were passionate and being emotional in their case, but the numbers doing that in an EU referendum would be very low indeed.
I actually think people would vote Out. No one likes the EU much, the EU leaders are openly contemptuous of British concerns outside occasional and not characteristic mealy mouthed statements, and I think people would not fight hard enough to stay in vs a much more motivated Out vote.
Desperate hatchet job by BBC Scotland on Nicola Sturgeon.
You mean allowing a woman who had been made redundant by the Scottish NHS under Nicola's reign and then ignored when she tried to commit suicide to ask a question was unfair. Don't worry Dair maybe she is not Scottish. I am sure she is really British or even English!!
So you don't support replacing managers in the NHS with clinical staff?
Even the woman herself was embarrassed to say her former job title (it was something like Educational Outreach Project Manager)
Did anyone notice that Nicola claimed she would both cut the deficit and the debt and austerity at the same time! No shortage of ambition there. I don't think finance is her best subject. But then because I dare to question our dear leader I guess I am not Scottish either according to Dair.
I see I have drilled into the dental nerve, judging by the response.
Miliband f*cked up with his No SNP Deal shtick. Any government which relies on the Nats to survive will be seen as a "deal". Voters won't care about the careful usage of the phrase "no deal" that Miliband did or did not employ.
Tsk. Big unforced error.
I think the bigger unforced error though was his assertion that Labour did not overspend. That will have greater resonance if the Tories home in on it unrelentingly in these final days of the campaign.
So what you are saying is that you think that Dave was both strong and (what's the word) Commanding.
Well, I certainly would not demur with your well chosen words
I thought Cameron was prime ministerial. But as I have said before I find it extremely uncomfortable when he talks publicly about his dead son and aligning this to his record on the NHS. He lied about no top down reorganisation, he lied about his choice of football team.
If you are a sometimes liar, and used to lying in politics, it just seems very unsavoury to bring up something as personal as a dead child to make a political point.
Populus will be the test tomorrow. Even as stable as they usually are, surely there'll be a Tory lead or atleast a tie if there genuinely has been movement this week.
Ed might turn out to be Labour's Ted Heath. The only Tory leader I ever liked. Full of human frailty but a musician a sailor and probably gay. A human being.
Predictably he became a pariah and then came Thatch Howard IDS Hague.....and like Ratners their reputation was irrecoverable
Initial thoughts on the ICM poll is that Tories will be disappointed to not have a wider edge over Labour and the LibDems pleased with a score double their poll rating.
One of the reasons for that I suggest is that Ed came back a bit in the second half and nudged peoples fears over tax credits. Gordo's biggest legacy in some ways was the generous tax credit system which gave so many people a vested interest in the state and its handouts.
Tax Credits...I wish a politician would have the balls to stand up and say, yes we will cut them...rather than us taxing you, you filling in a load of forms and then us giving some of it back to you...tell you what, we will let you keep it in the first place.
Neither the Tories or Labour will properly address Tax Credits.
Labour introduced them to create benefit dependency in the middle class and the Tories rely on those middle class voters and won't risk losing them with swingeing but necessary cuts to the ridiculousness of welfare benefits being paid to people on £50k pa.
The history behind tax credits is something which is rarely talked about....and not just as you say how it has become a benefit dependency (I heard Ed Miliband straight away today saying it will wreck your family finances...where as fiddling with the tax thresholds can have the same effect positive and negative).
The whole reason why it is tax credit rather than a benefit has little to do with helping the poorest, it was (as so much of Gordon Brown's policies) all about the politics i.e not breaking golden rules, not interesting benefits spending etc.
Of course they aren't tax credits at all in reality.
Someone with 2 kids earning £10k gross pays no tax but receives £8k of tax credits (+ just under £2k child benefit).
Tax credits are really just the old supplementary benefit - though much more generous.
Did anyone notice that Nicola claimed she would both cut the deficit and the debt and austerity at the same time! No shortage of ambition there. I don't think finance is her best subject. But then because I dare to question our dear leader I guess I am not Scottish either according to Dair.
Nicola has cut austerity. Have you any idea how much helicopters cost?
MissLeahMarie @LittleMissUKIP 4h4 hours ago The BBC are disgusting. Decided to tell everyone WHEN WE GOT THERE that only some of us are allowed in for "balance" reasons. BBC bastards.
Not 2. There is no confidence and supply thanks to the fixed term act and there was never going to be a full coalition.
Miliband can't help it if other parties vote down Cameron.
People won't seewith fewer MPs than Cameron.
Milibandech.
I must say I am surprised he is basically daring them to bring him down. Perhaps that bodes well for whatever arrangement ends up occurring, that he will not be the easy pushover they might have hoped for.
Miliband has surprised virtually everyone apart from D Hodges. He was supposed to have melted during the campaign. Instead he is stronger than when he started.
I'm not surprised by that - I always thought he'd be decent, he's too experienced, disciplined and professional to be otherwise - I just thought he'd leave more wiggle room. He still has some, I'm just surprised he's gone for the tougher line now, rather than, say, during negotiations.
After tonight I am more optimistic for another Con/LD coalition based on a referendum on the EU in 2017 in exchange for Conservative agreement to the introduction of a PR voting system for both local and national government
I'm not sure why pro-European parties like the Libs and Lab are so afraid of an EU referendum. They would win it with ease, and put the matter to bed for decades if not indefinitely.
Well as we all know referendums don't put things to bed for a long time in all cases, sadly. I actually think they do fear losing. They've waited too long, and even those who do worry about leaving the EU do not like it, and I think they worry about fighting a campaign purely on a dry economic argument. For all the IndyRef No campaign boiled down to too much of that, there were people who were passionate and being emotional in their case, but the numbers doing that in an EU referendum would be very low indeed.
I actually think people would vote Out. No one likes the EU much, the EU leaders are openly contemptuous of British concerns outside occasional and not characteristic mealy mouthed statements, and I think people would not fight hard enough to stay in vs a much more motivated Out vote.
People will vote for IN, but it will mean 2 years of destabilising nonsense in the meantime.
I see I have drilled into the dental nerve, judging by the response.
Miliband f*cked up with his No SNP Deal shtick. Any government which relies on the Nats to survive will be seen as a "deal". Voters won't care about the careful usage of the phrase "no deal" that Miliband did or did not employ.
Tsk. Big unforced error.
I think the bigger unforced error though was his assertion that Labour did not overspend. That will have greater resonance if the Tories home in on it unrelentingly in these final days of the campaign.
So what you are saying is that you think that Dave was both strong and (what's the word) Commanding.
Well, I certainly would not demur with your well chosen words
I thought Cameron was prime ministerial. But as I have said before I find it extremely uncomfortable when he talks publicly about his dead son and aligning this to his record on the NHS. He lied about no top down reorganisation, he lied about his choice of football team.
If you are a sometimes liar, and used to lying in politics, it just seems very unsavoury to bring up something as personal as a dead child to make a political point.
Spare us the pomposity. You were once quite enchanting: rejoining Labour has done you no favours.
Not 2. There is no confidence and supply thanks to the fixed term act and there was never going to be a full coalition.
Miliband can't help it if other parties vote down Cameron.
People won't see it that way. If Ed now governs with the unofficial support of the SNP then that will be seen as a "deal" (and with reason) and thus a very badly broken promise.
It was a stupid statement. If he is prepared to rely on the SNP to govern then he should have just been honest - and said what you say. But he didn't. He emphatically said "no deal".
FWIW it is possible he means exactly what he said, because he can see the terrible danger to Labour - possibly mortal danger - of governing in some informal alliance with the Nats, even if he leads a party with fewer MPs than Cameron.
Miliband made it absolutely clear that:
1. there will be no coalition
2. there will be no supply and confidence
What else is he supposed to say ? He can't order the SNP not to support a Labour Queen's speech.
He's now in deep shit: if Labour get fewer MPs, but he still becomes PM simply because he has SNP support.
It's not something you can easily overlook. He will not only be using the votes of a separatist, anti-UK party to govern the UK, he will be doing so in apparent, direct contradiction of a televised promise.
Like I said, perhaps we should give him the credit, and allow the possibility he is being sincere. Perhaps he already sees the danger for Labour, and will not seek to form a government, relying on the Nats, if he has fewer MPs and votes than Cameron.
I'm not sure that many people will care as long as EdM doesn't increase their taxes or cut their services.
And he wont do either.
Then after showing that the world hasn't ended, brought in a few populist measures and had a trip to meet Obama EdM goes for another election.
That's the plan I suspect.
If it doesn't work out then EdM still gets his name in the history books and his picture on the Downing Street wall. Not to mention all the future earning possibilities.
And Labour will blame the SNP or the LibDems or the 'banks' for brining down their government.
Populus will be the test tomorrow. Even as stable as they usually are, surely there'll be a Tory lead or atleast a tie if there genuinely has been movement this week.
Don't hold your breath. They've not given tories a lead for 8 months.
YG static & dead as a floorboard. Can we all agree to bin YG? Regardless of opinions no polling 7 days a week should have this little movement. Somethings badly wrong there.
Did anyone notice that Nicola claimed she would both cut the deficit and the debt and austerity at the same time! No shortage of ambition there. I don't think finance is her best subject. But then because I dare to question our dear leader I guess I am not Scottish either according to Dair.
Because its based on etymological illiteracy by the IFS.
They call reducing the deficit "Austerity" which is bullshit. Reducing SPENDING in real terms is Austerity and the SNP propose to end that immediately. The cost, which is not challenged is that the deficit elinination takes two to three years longer.
Can we now - at least - agree that the Debates, in some form, are a permanent part of our political furniture, and that, by accident, we may have stumbled over the best format of all?
What we just saw was by a distance the best 90 minutes of political questioning in this election. All 3 leaders looked uncomfortable, at times, all got a proper interrogation by ordinary people.
The BBC did an excellent job. The only flaw was the absence of Farage. He would have livened it up no end after the non-event of Clegg.
I hope they are now a permanent fixture. But the format needs to be settled and inclusive.
YouGov produced the most accurate poll of the 2010 campaign, with their "shock" poll putting the Lib Dems on just 24% a couple of days before the election (with Tories and Labour also virtually bang on with 37% and 30%).
I see I have drilled into the dental nerve, judging by the response.
Miliband f*cked up with his No SNP Deal shtick. Any government which relies on the Nats to survive will be seen as a "deal". Voters won't care about the careful usage of the phrase "no deal" that Miliband did or did not employ.
Tsk. Big unforced error.
I think the bigger unforced error though was his assertion that Labour did not overspend. That will have greater resonance if the Tories home in on it unrelentingly in these final days of the campaign.
So what you are saying is that you think that Dave was both strong and (what's the word) Commanding.
Well, I certainly would not demur with your well chosen words
I thought Cameron was prime ministerial. But as I have said before I find it extremely uncomfortable when he talks publicly about his dead son and aligning this to his record on the NHS. He lied about no top down reorganisation, he lied about his choice of football team.
If you are a sometimes liar, and used to lying in politics, it just seems very unsavoury to bring up something as personal as a dead child to make a political point.
to be fair how do we judge the nhs except by experience of how it treats us & our loved ones? If you ask people about the nhs they don't talk in vague terms about stats and reorganisation, they talk about their experiences of what its been like for them when it mattered. So give him a break.
That was quite a good debate and the format seemed to work better than the others. Each leader had hard questions to answer and some did better than others at that. I'm not sure that Ed's should have been quite so critical of the SNP because the maths, at this time, suggests he might need their support. As a Lib Dem I still suffer nightmares from the tuition fees debacle and I sort of hope what I heard Ed say this evening becomes his 'tuition fees' moment in five years(?) time. I can't fault Nick tonight on the way he answered the questions, he did a good job but I appreciate the wind is not blowing in our direction this time.
Can we now - at least - agree that the Debates, in some form, are a permanent part of our political furniture, and that, by accident, we may have stumbled over the best format of all?
What we just saw was by a distance the best 90 minutes of political questioning in this election. All 3 leaders looked uncomfortable, at times, all got a proper interrogation by ordinary people.
The BBC did an excellent job. The only flaw was the absence of Farage. He would have livened it up no end after the non-event of Clegg.
I thought it the best of the lot (and actually thought Clegg's segment was decent enough, more fun than Cameron's blander segment - not that Clegg will get any benefit either way). Ditch the opposition debate idea, and instead increase the numbers in this format, I'm fine with that.
Leaders should be doing Paxman/Davis stuff more often anyway, shouldn't take an election to do it.
Populus will be the test tomorrow. Even as stable as they usually are, surely there'll be a Tory lead or atleast a tie if there genuinely has been movement this week.
Don't hold your breath. They've not given tories a lead for 8 months.
YG static & dead as a floorboard. Can we all agree to bin YG? Regardless of opinions no polling 7 days a week should have this little movement. Somethings badly wrong there.
So the only valid polls are those which have numbers you like. Pathetic.
' it just seems very unsavoury to bring up something as personal as a dead child to make a political point.'
You were perfectly happy to try & impress us the other night that you had somehow been involved with the treatment of his son,sorting the hospital admission forms or whatever.
Can we now - at least - agree that the Debates, in some form, are a permanent part of our political furniture, and that, by accident, we may have stumbled over the best format of all?
What we just saw was by a distance the best 90 minutes of political questioning in this election. All 3 leaders looked uncomfortable, at times, all got a proper interrogation by ordinary people.
The BBC did an excellent job. The only flaw was the absence of Farage. He would have livened it up no end after the non-event of Clegg.
Said it several times...we should have leaders, chancellor (and their shadows), etc each do QT once a year.
I see I have drilled into the dental nerve, judging by the response.
Miliband f*cked up with his No SNP Deal shtick. Any government which relies on the Nats to survive will be seen as a "deal". Voters won't care about the careful usage of the phrase "no deal" that Miliband did or did not employ.
Tsk. Big unforced error.
I think the bigger unforced error though was his assertion that Labour did not overspend. That will have greater resonance if the Tories home in on it unrelentingly in these final days of the campaign.
So what you are saying is that you think that Dave was both strong and (what's the word) Commanding.
Well, I certainly would not demur with your well chosen words
I thought Cameron was prime ministerial. But as I have said before I find it extremely uncomfortable when he talks publicly about his dead son and aligning this to his record on the NHS. He lied about no top down reorganisation, he lied about his choice of football team.
If you are a sometimes liar, and used to lying in politics, it just seems very unsavoury to bring up something as personal as a dead child to make a political point.
Spare us the pomposity. You were once quite enchanting: rejoining Labour has done you no favours.
Some might say the same of you remaining with the blue team.
I see I have drilled into the dental nerve, judging by the response.
Miliband f*cked up with his No SNP Deal shtick. Any government which relies on the Nats to survive will be seen as a "deal". Voters won't care about the careful usage of the phrase "no deal" that Miliband did or did not employ.
Tsk. Big unforced error.
I think the bigger unforced error though was his assertion that Labour did not overspend. That will have greater resonance if the Tories home in on it unrelentingly in these final days of the campaign.
So what you are saying is that you think that Dave was both strong and (what's the word) Commanding.
Well, I certainly would not demur with your well chosen words
I thought Cameron was prime ministerial. But as I have said before I find it extremely uncomfortable when he talks publicly about his dead son and aligning this to his record on the NHS. He lied about no top down reorganisation, he lied about his choice of football team.
If you are a sometimes liar, and used to lying in politics, it just seems very unsavoury to bring up something as personal as a dead child to make a political point.
Spare us the pomposity. You were once quite enchanting: rejoining Labour has done you no favours.
I think John you and many others are as uncomfortable as me when Cameron brings up his child in this way. It is just not the done thing because it leaves room to think he might be opportunistic, even if he's not.
I see I have drilled into the dental nerve, judging by the response.
Miliband f*cked up with his No SNP Deal shtick. Any government which relies on the Nats to survive will be seen as a "deal". Voters won't care about the careful usage of the phrase "no deal" that Miliband did or did not employ.
Tsk. Big unforced error.
I think the bigger unforced error though was his assertion that Labour did not overspend. That will have greater resonance if the Tories home in on it unrelentingly in these final days of the campaign.
So what you are saying is that you think that Dave was both strong and (what's the word) Commanding.
Well, I certainly would not demur with your well chosen words
I thought Cameron was prime ministerial. But as I have said before I find it extremely uncomfortable when he talks publicly about his dead son and aligning this to his record on the NHS. He lied about no top down reorganisation, he lied about his choice of football team.
If you are a sometimes liar, and used to lying in politics, it just seems very unsavoury to bring up something as personal as a dead child to make a political point.
Spare us the pomposity. You were once quite enchanting: rejoining Labour has done you no favours.
I wonder how many People in Iraq would agree with this.
Populus will be the test tomorrow. Even as stable as they usually are, surely there'll be a Tory lead or atleast a tie if there genuinely has been movement this week.
Don't hold your breath. They've not given tories a lead for 8 months.
YG static & dead as a floorboard. Can we all agree to bin YG? Regardless of opinions no polling 7 days a week should have this little movement. Somethings badly wrong there.
So the only valid polls are those which have numbers you like. Pathetic.
YouGov was top pollsters at the May 2014 Euros
Panelbase was joint top pollster at the IndyRef
Now,now OGH don't come on here and start throwing facts around like confetti, you will upset the PB Hodges. :-)
Populus will be the test tomorrow. Even as stable as they usually are, surely there'll be a Tory lead or atleast a tie if there genuinely has been movement this week.
YG static & dead as a floorboard. Can we all agree to bin YG? Regardless of opinions no polling 7 days a week should have this little movement. Somethings badly wrong there.
Well, we feel like there should have been more movement, but if they end up calling the election better than anyone else, it will have been our expectations that were wrong, not them. I don't think anyone should be certain YouGov must be wrong.
MissLeahMarie @LittleMissUKIP 4h4 hours ago The BBC are disgusting. Decided to tell everyone WHEN WE GOT THERE that only some of us are allowed in for "balance" reasons. BBC bastards.
I don't see how that is particularly sad. A little inconvenient, but parties and their supporters whinge incessantly about balance, surely worth an individual's inconvenience.
Populus will be the test tomorrow. Even as stable as they usually are, surely there'll be a Tory lead or atleast a tie if there genuinely has been movement this week.
Don't hold your breath. They've not given tories a lead for 8 months.
YG static & dead as a floorboard. Can we all agree to bin YG? Regardless of opinions no polling 7 days a week should have this little movement. Somethings badly wrong there.
So the only valid polls are those which have numbers you like. Pathetic.
YouGov was top pollsters at the May 2014 Euros
Panelbase was joint top pollster at the IndyRef
Out of interest Mike what are you expecting the result to be if I may ask ...
IOS If it wasn't for UKIP the Tories would be well over 40%, if Cameron squeezes that vote he will certainly lead the largest party, his EU referendum pledge tonight and Miliband's dismissal of it will help, Netanyahu squeezed rightwing parties votes in Israel to move ahead in the final days without winning any over from the Israeli Labour Party, Cameron could do the same
Can we now - at least - agree that the Debates, in some form, are a permanent part of our political furniture, and that, by accident, we may have stumbled over the best format of all?
We can certainly agree that Cameron won out as a result of the formats. As predicted.
Populus will be the test tomorrow. Even as stable as they usually are, surely there'll be a Tory lead or atleast a tie if there genuinely has been movement this week.
Don't hold your breath. They've not given tories a lead for 8 months.
YG static & dead as a floorboard. Can we all agree to bin YG? Regardless of opinions no polling 7 days a week should have this little movement. Somethings badly wrong there.
So the only valid polls are those which have numbers you like. Pathetic.
YouGov was top pollsters at the May 2014 Euros
Panelbase was joint top pollster at the IndyRef
Mike - the only valid poll is the one in a week's tine which shows CON on 310+!
CON on its way to making net gains in England next week
IOS If it wasn't for UKIP the Tories would be well over 40%, if Cameron squeezes that vote he will certainly lead the largest party, his EU referendum pledge tonight and Miliband's dismissal of it will help, Netanyahu squeezed rightwing parties votes in Israel to move ahead in the final days without winning any over from the Israeli Labour Party, Cameron could do the same
Unlike the Israeli election where everything is decided on national vote shares same doesn't apply here. This is about 650 separate contest under FPTP.
I see I have drilled into the dental nerve, judging by the response.
Miliband f*cked up with his No SNP Deal shtick. Any government which relies on the Nats to survive will be seen as a "deal". Voters won't care about the careful usage of the phrase "no deal" that Miliband did or did not employ.
Tsk. Big unforced error.
I think the bigger unforced error though was his assertion that Labour did not overspend. That will have greater resonance if the Tories home in on it unrelentingly in these final days of the campaign.
So what you are saying is that you think that Dave was both strong and (what's the word) Commanding.
Well, I certainly would not demur with your well chosen words
I thought Cameron was prime ministerial. But as I have said before I find it extremely uncomfortable when he talks publicly about his dead son and aligning this to his record on the NHS. He lied about no top down reorganisation, he lied about his choice of football team.
If you are a sometimes liar, and used to lying in politics, it just seems very unsavoury to bring up something as personal as a dead child to make a political point.
Spare us the pomposity. You were once quite enchanting: rejoining Labour has done you no favours.
I think John you and many others are as uncomfortable as me when Cameron brings up his child in this way. It is just not the done thing because it leaves room to think he might be opportunistic, even if he's not.
I see I have drilled into the dental nerve, judging by the response.
Miliband f*cked up with his No SNP Deal shtick. Any government which relies on the Nats to survive will be seen as a "deal". Voters won't care about the careful usage of the phrase "no deal" that Miliband did or did not employ.
Tsk. Big unforced error.
I think the bigger unforced error though was his assertion that Labour did not overspend. That will have greater resonance if the Tories home in on it unrelentingly in these final days of the campaign.
So what you are saying is that you think that Dave was both strong and (what's the word) Commanding.
Well, I certainly would not demur with your well chosen words
I thought Cameron was prime ministerial. But as I have said before I find it extremely uncomfortable when he talks publicly about his dead son and aligning this to his record on the NHS. He lied about no top down reorganisation, he lied about his choice of football team.
If you are a sometimes liar, and used to lying in politics, it just seems very unsavoury to bring up something as personal as a dead child to make a political point.
Spare us the pomposity. You were once quite enchanting: rejoining Labour has done you no favours.
Some might say the same of you remaining with the blue team.
IOS If it wasn't for UKIP the Tories would be well over 40%, if Cameron squeezes that vote he will certainly lead the largest party, his EU referendum pledge tonight and Miliband's dismissal of it will help, Netanyahu squeezed rightwing parties votes in Israel to move ahead in the final days without winning any over from the Israeli Labour Party, Cameron could do the same
Unlike the Israeli election where everything is decided on national vote shares same doesn't apply here. This is about 650 separate contest under FPTP.
I hope the pollsters are better than the Israeli Election for anyone with an unbalanced book.
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Ok fair enough.
I am actually liking the idea of Ed becoming PM with less votes and less seats than Cameron. I cannot imagine how irate the Daily Mail message boards would be.
Funny as.
Russell Brand gives firm endorsement to Green Party just days after YouTube interview with Miliband
But comic has now urged Brighton Pavillion voters to back Caroline Lucas
He described she and Natalie Bennett as 'the very kind of people you want involved in administration and organisation'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3063239/Lost-Number-One-fan-Ed-Russell-Brand-gives-firm-endorsement-Green-Party-just-days-YouTube-interview-Miliband.html
'My point was we were out canvassing the Tories according to the Libs.'
So how many seats are you forecasting you will win in the South West as a result of that huge effort?
"Miliband f*cked up with his No SNP Deal shtick".
I'm not sure. Labour are at their best in opposition and with Dave in office but without the Lib Dems and with Nicola holding him by his bollocks we should all have an entertaining year.
It may just return some former SLAB voters back into the fold and win a few Scots tactical votes from Tories.
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The Labour Party are the Modern day communism party! Maybe in Cuba not here! #bbcqt #justnotuptoit
Miliband savaged for ‘lies’ over spending
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers http://t.co/8mqIg3z7MO
I am saying that Ed is going to be PM>
A lot can happen in a year.
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/593886923195883520
'Tories do not speak to people. They talk down to them'
And the class warrior surfaces from beneath his stone still stuck in the 1950's.
I think EICIPM is an existential threat for the labour party.
In fact having writen that I might vote Labour.
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"Sol Campbell ✔ @SolManOfficial
The Labour Party are the Modern day communism party! Maybe in Cuba."
Of course Sol......
I actually think people would vote Out. No one likes the EU much, the EU leaders are openly contemptuous of British concerns outside occasional and not characteristic mealy mouthed statements, and I think people would not fight hard enough to stay in vs a much more motivated Out vote.
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YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour have a one-point lead: CON 34%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 12%, GRN 5%
They just want it so bad. Another day down - another day closer to Ed as PM.
Still you're nicer than Surbiton, I'll grant you that.
Even the woman herself was embarrassed to say her former job title (it was something like Educational Outreach Project Manager)
If you are a sometimes liar, and used to lying in politics, it just seems very unsavoury to bring up something as personal as a dead child to make a political point.
I suspect that he admires Roman Polanski.
Someone with 2 kids earning £10k gross pays no tax but receives £8k of tax credits (+ just under £2k child benefit).
Tax credits are really just the old supplementary benefit - though much more generous.
Nah - over being less than a week away and the Tories still not being able to get ahead.
A nuke would be barely worth two, I think it need the four horsemen before you get to a three.
MissLeahMarie @LittleMissUKIP 4h4 hours ago
The BBC are disgusting. Decided to tell everyone WHEN WE GOT THERE that only some of us are allowed in for "balance" reasons. BBC bastards.
YG static & dead as a floorboard. Can we all agree to bin YG? Regardless of opinions no polling 7 days a week should have this little movement. Somethings badly wrong there.
They call reducing the deficit "Austerity" which is bullshit. Reducing SPENDING in real terms is Austerity and the SNP propose to end that immediately. The cost, which is not challenged is that the deficit elinination takes two to three years longer.
If it weren't for the SNP it would be what Lab 38 Con 34
No Dave as PM on those scores and given the SNP aint supporting a Tory queens speech
Just saying...
..apart from Ipsos MORI, Survation, ICM, Opinium, TNS, Ashcroft
You're going to lose, and I think you know it.
Leaders should be doing Paxman/Davis stuff more often anyway, shouldn't take an election to do it.
So the only valid polls are those which have numbers you like. Pathetic.
YouGov was top pollsters at the May 2014 Euros
Panelbase was joint top pollster at the IndyRef
I look forward to this time next week when you are dismissing the exit poll.
*clutches onto straws for dear life*
' it just seems very unsavoury to bring up something as personal as a dead child to make a political point.'
You were perfectly happy to try & impress us the other night that you had somehow been involved with the treatment of his son,sorting the hospital admission forms or whatever.
And the massively overstated Boris.
The worst poll by a long distance at Boris's last election was the only phone survey.
CON on its way to making net gains in England next week
Not sure there are many people to shift in the center - just about getting out your core.
Step forward the ground game.
If it wasn't for the SNP yada yada yada
We are where we are and its going to be Ed is a most likely scrappy way.
Farage on BBC1 in 5 minutes.
Stephen Tall @stephentall
Watching the #bbcqt coverage, I'm starting to get a 1992 feeling about this election. (Tho no Tory maj this time.)