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Fair enough ( I thought Ed had done it too). Another Earth shattering direction setting policy from Tory HQ then. ( I'm sure Ed wants to limit them really too. I doubt he'll be happy till he's personally going round Asdas with a sticker gun regulating the prices!)Big_G_NorthWales said:
Very good summary except the train fare freeze is David Cameronswelshowl said:I have no idea what the parties are doing. It's unearthly weird.
What the Tories are doing with this 3 day volunteering thing is beyond me, as is the resitting of SATs tests as a policy deemed releasable to the news cycle. The Fallon quote was a cock up let's be honest, and detracted from the Trident message ( which was actually only "we'll buy one extra boat"). The six year old passed out next to Cameron was on to something.
Labour's non Dom thing prob played well with its target audience but they made an utter Horlicks launching it. Now Ed is in Scotland, implausibly channeling his inner Bundesbank, lecturing the SNP on the virtues of fiscal rectitude and nobody will believe a word he's saying. Oh and he's frozen/capped/constrained ( perm any two from three just like gas or rents ) train fares.
I can literally remember nothing about the Lib's campaign other than Nick Clegg walking through a wooded area with Ed Davey.
UKIP are making the Tories look like a Mandelsoneque campaign in comparison. it's just vapid and shows that sans Nigel there's sod all ( where is Carswell??).
The SNP are doing a lap of honour and in fairness I think they could announce the slaughter of the first born and it won't make any difference in 2015, landslide doesn't cover it I think.
Plaid/Greens Respect - well I'm bored now anyway who the hell cares? ( Though Plaid's Ceredigion candidate must be starring in a reality show for a bet - surely)
Basically I'm not impressed though at least Labour appear arsed about it in fairness. Innumerate, but arsed.
This is the election where what's NOT in the manifesto is the bit to look for, because they are all giving me the impression of tippy toeing around the big big issues because they are all scared we'll get the heeeby jeebies if we are told something approaching the truth. Come on Tories: where are the £12bn welfare cuts coming from then? Labour stop trying to con us you can get mansions, and non doms, and bankers to raise the taxes you want to - 'cos they can't and we know it.
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Welcome!ScotsTory said:
Long time lurker here but finally registered so I can post. The tactical voting point is something I'm struggling with. My constituency is a straight SNP/SLAB fight. I would love to say I'm the bigger man and would vote for the Unionst candidate (I.e. SLAB) but with my UK hat on it is in our interests for the SNP to take the seat. I was discussing this with a colleague of mine today (he is not a Tory) and we felt that a SNP vote is a safe vote this time - next year at Holyrood elections it will be different! On reflection I'm going to stick with my instincts and vote Tory (albeit probably wasted in terms of outcome) and think many others will do the sameDanSmith said:SNP winning a seat instead of the Conservatives helps Labour.
SNP winning a seat instead of Labour helps the Conservatives.
I just don't see tactical voting happening on any great scale.0 -
@Welshowl
You summarise well. All the campaigns are hopeless and some also invisible!
It may be the real fun starts next week as the campaign budget gets spent in the official 3 week bit, and the manifestos are launched.
Either that or the parties are engaged in a game that entails trying to lose, but not by too much!
More likely, it is not just Ed that is crap! For all his faults and confused ideas Miliband seems to be the only one making an effort.0 -
SNP or Labour for a Conservative voter in a SNP-LAB marginal - the vote makes next to no difference for who is PM anyway.
Vote Conservative - Stick to your beliefs
Vote Labour - Give PM Ed an easy ride for 5 years
Vote SNP - Make Ed's premiership an absolute misery.0 -
Yes and on Monday I will convert to cash a large part of my portfolio,fill up my cash isa, and Mrs Jayfdee cash ISA, use up all my capital gains allowance including realising some losses, maybe buy some euros to keep under the bed, and then hunker down until it is all over.MikeL said:FTSE closes at all time record high - 7089.
Any other suggestions to make myself Milliproof welcome.
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I do wonder if the Daily Mash has unintentionally got very close to the bone here:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/cameron-realising-britain-just-really-hated-gordon-brown-20150410972470 -
https://twitter.com/MrJohnNicolson/status/585162213670944768
Milngavie is in East Dunbartonshire for those who don't know the geography. It's also one of the poshest suburbs of Glasgow full of £1m+ properties.0 -
"Police were told a burglar alarm had gone off at the scene of the Hatton Garden safety deposit raid - but decided it did not require a response."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32253724
"All monitored intruder alarm systems are assigned a Level 1 status when they are first installed - i.e. the police respond immediately when the ARC has confirmed an activation, as outlined above.
In the Original ACPO Policy if the police are called to respond to 2 false alarms within any 12 month period, the police response would fall to Level 2. Since the introduction of the ACPO 2004 Policy, this Level 2 response is no longer employed by nearly all police constabularies. Instead, if the police are called to respond to 3 false alarms within any 12 month period, the police response will fall to Level 3 and police response would be withdrawn."
http://www.ciaalarms.co.uk/intruder-alarms/monitoring/police-response0 -
"Meanwhile, Ed Miliband has accepted Britain is going to make him prime minister in exchange for not being David Cameron."0
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Move your money into shares that are overseas earners, in particular those such as GSK that earn in Dollars. They will do well if Sterling slides.jayfdee said:
Yes and on Monday I will convert to cash a large part of my portfolio,fill up my cash isa, and Mrs Jayfdee cash ISA, use up all my capital gains allowance including realising some losses, maybe buy some euros to keep under the bed, and then hunker down until it is all over.MikeL said:FTSE closes at all time record high - 7089.
Any other suggestions to make myself Milliproof welcome.0 -
You can keep your JSA you sad t**tBond_James_Bond said:On all matters relating to Scotch politics I'm reminded of Kissinger's purported quote about academic disputes: that they're as bitter as they are because the stakes are so small.
LD, LAB and SNP are all campaigning of a platform of milking English private sector taxpayers and homeowners to fund Scottish social and economic failure.
The practical outcome will be little different regardless.0 -
Ive decided not to realise gains for 2015/16 pre GE.jayfdee said:
Yes and on Monday I will convert to cash a large part of my portfolio,fill up my cash isa, and Mrs Jayfdee cash ISA, use up all my capital gains allowance including realising some losses, maybe buy some euros to keep under the bed, and then hunker down until it is all over.MikeL said:FTSE closes at all time record high - 7089.
Any other suggestions to make myself Milliproof welcome.
Lab have said they will put up top rate to 50% for 2015/16 - I think they could also easily cut the CGT allowance for 2015/16 - even though we are already into the year.
Remember the LDs proposed cutting it to £1,500 or £2,000 (from £11,100!).
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Another JSA specialist in fantasy landTheWatcher said:
Who were they polling, 'Wings' in Bath?Alistair said:
It takes a special kind of a dimwit in an English constituency to vote for a candidate who wants to pick their pockets and send cash over the border to Northern Britain.0 -
People should really review all their personal finances around the chaos this election will hopefully bring.foxinsoxuk said:
Move your money into shares that are overseas earners, in particular those such as GSK that earn in Dollars. They will do well if Sterling slides.jayfdee said:
Yes and on Monday I will convert to cash a large part of my portfolio,fill up my cash isa, and Mrs Jayfdee cash ISA, use up all my capital gains allowance including realising some losses, maybe buy some euros to keep under the bed, and then hunker down until it is all over.MikeL said:FTSE closes at all time record high - 7089.
Any other suggestions to make myself Milliproof welcome.0 -
Hello there. Nice to have another Scot in time for 2016! But alas, we are disproportionately short of SLABbers, still (there is one possible on PB, I am assured, but it seems to be the love that doth not know its name).ScotsTory said:
Long time lurker here but finally registered so I can post. The tactical voting point is something I'm struggling with. My constituency is a straight SNP/SLAB fight. I would love to say I'm the bigger man and would vote for the Unionst candidate (I.e. SLAB) but with my UK hat on it is in our interests for the SNP to take the seat. I was discussing this with a colleague of mine today (he is not a Tory) and we felt that a SNP vote is a safe vote this time - next year at Holyrood elections it will be different! On reflection I'm going to stick with my instincts and vote Tory (albeit probably wasted in terms of outcome) and think many others will do the sameDanSmith said:SNP winning a seat instead of the Conservatives helps Labour.
SNP winning a seat instead of Labour helps the Conservatives.
I just don't see tactical voting happening on any great scale.
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If any Tories are around could they say whether this second coming of 'The Big Society' has been researched? I cannot for the life of me imagine it winning a single vote.
So what am I missing?0 -
So if I want to rob a bank, first I need to set off its alarm as a falsie a couple of times, then on the 4th occassion walk away with the swag?AndyJS said:"Police were told a burglar alarm had gone off at the scene of the Hatton Garden safety deposit raid - but decided it did not require a response."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32253724
"All monitored intruder alarm systems are assigned a Level 1 status when they are first installed - i.e. the police respond immediately when the ARC has confirmed an activation, as outlined above.
In the Original ACPO Policy if the police are called to respond to 2 false alarms within any 12 month period, the police response would fall to Level 2. Since the introduction of the ACPO 2004 Policy, this Level 2 response is no longer employed by nearly all police constabularies. Instead, if the police are called to respond to 3 false alarms within any 12 month period, the police response will fall to Level 3 and police response would be withdrawn."
http://www.ciaalarms.co.uk/intruder-alarms/monitoring/police-response
Sounds easier than betting on politics...0 -
So says a turnip head expertScott_P said:
That's because the Smith Commission does not apply.JPJ2 said:
Also today's campaign, referred to as Labour's attack on the SNP "black hole" as the BBC neutrally portray it, seems to ignore the agreed terms of the Smith Commission
The SNP want FFA, which is not what the Smith Commission recommends. If you get FFA, you don't get Smith.
And with FFA, the numbers are £7.6bn short0 -
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F Off your selfYorkcity said:If the SNP get 50 seats in Scotland and over 50% of the vote.
Surely this would be a mandate for another referendum and leaving the UK.
I for one can not wait for them to go.
Can not believe why so many on here were so worried last September.
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ScotsTory What would be useful would be a voteswap website, so say Tories vote Labour in SNP v Labour seats in return for Labour voters voting Tory in rural SNP v Tory seats.
Certainly next year at Holyrood though where the UK government will not be at issue I would expect far more tactical voting, with Tories voting Labour on the constituency vote and Tory on the regional list0 -
Please do not vote Lab under any circumstances.ScotsTory said:
Long time lurker here but finally registered so I can post. The tactical voting point is something I'm struggling with. My constituency is a straight SNP/SLAB fight. I would love to say I'm the bigger man and would vote for the Unionst candidate (I.e. SLAB) but with my UK hat on it is in our interests for the SNP to take the seat. I was discussing this with a colleague of mine today (he is not a Tory) and we felt that a SNP vote is a safe vote this time - next year at Holyrood elections it will be different! On reflection I'm going to stick with my instincts and vote Tory (albeit probably wasted in terms of outcome) and think many others will do the sameDanSmith said:SNP winning a seat instead of the Conservatives helps Labour.
SNP winning a seat instead of Labour helps the Conservatives.
I just don't see tactical voting happening on any great scale.
Con 290
Lab 270
LD 30
SNP 40
Cameron will be PM
Con 290
Lab 290
LD 30
SNP 20
Miliband will be PM
Approx numbers but you get the point. LD will not go with Lab if SNP also needed. LD will go with Lab if SNP not needed.0 -
Could Labour reduce the CGT allowance for the year and apply it retrospectively to gains already realised in the year?MikeL said:
Ive decided not to realise gains for 2015/16 pre GE.jayfdee said:
Yes and on Monday I will convert to cash a large part of my portfolio,fill up my cash isa, and Mrs Jayfdee cash ISA, use up all my capital gains allowance including realising some losses, maybe buy some euros to keep under the bed, and then hunker down until it is all over.MikeL said:FTSE closes at all time record high - 7089.
Any other suggestions to make myself Milliproof welcome.
Lab have said they will put up top rate to 50% for 2015/16 - I think they could also easily cut the CGT allowance for 2015/16 - even though we are already into the year.
Remember the LDs proposed cutting it to £1,500 or £2,000 (from £11,100!).
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Actually I did the Libs a disservice. I can also remember the lovely Mrs Clegg sitting on a bench. But that probably tells you more about me than the Libs' campaign!foxinsoxuk said:@Welshowl
You summarise well. All the campaigns are hopeless and some also invisible!
It may be the real fun starts next week as the campaign budget gets spent in the official 3 week bit, and the manifestos are launched.
Either that or the parties are engaged in a game that entails trying to lose, but not by too much!
More likely, it is not just Ed that is crap! For all his faults and confused ideas Miliband seems to be the only one making an effort.0 -
Yes, I think they could.jayfdee said:
Could Labour reduce the CGT allowance for the year and apply it retrospectively to gains already realised in the year?MikeL said:
Ive decided not to realise gains for 2015/16 pre GE.jayfdee said:
Yes and on Monday I will convert to cash a large part of my portfolio,fill up my cash isa, and Mrs Jayfdee cash ISA, use up all my capital gains allowance including realising some losses, maybe buy some euros to keep under the bed, and then hunker down until it is all over.MikeL said:FTSE closes at all time record high - 7089.
Any other suggestions to make myself Milliproof welcome.
Lab have said they will put up top rate to 50% for 2015/16 - I think they could also easily cut the CGT allowance for 2015/16 - even though we are already into the year.
Remember the LDs proposed cutting it to £1,500 or £2,000 (from £11,100!).
They have already said they will change the 45p rate to 50p for the whole year - ie from 6th April. If they can do that then they can change the CGT allowance as well.
Not saying they will - who knows!!!0 -
And, as any fule kno, pronounced Milguy, which may be why some PBers don't know the geography.Dair said:https://twitter.com/MrJohnNicolson/status/585162213670944768
Milngavie is in East Dunbartonshire for those who don't know the geography. It's also one of the poshest suburbs of Glasgow full of £1m+ properties.
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Unlikely, I think. Even Ed Miliband wouldn't be that irresponsible.jayfdee said:
Could Labour reduce the CGT allowance for the year and apply it retrospectively to gains already realised in the year?0 -
The dumpling just has rabid hatred of all things Scottish and can only whine like the dullard he is.Dair said:
The SNP platform at this election is to transition to Full Fiscal Autonomy. Regardless of which direction you believe subsidies are heading, they would end.TheWatcher said:
Who were they polling, 'Wings' in Bath?Alistair said:
It takes a special kind of a dimwit in an English constituency to vote for a candidate who wants to pick their pockets and send cash over the border to Northern Britain.
I would think you would be very much in favour of this.0 -
;-)Pulpstar said:"Meanwhile, Ed Miliband has accepted Britain is going to make him prime minister in exchange for not being David Cameron."
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It is quite a good policy as the fare increases will be restricted to RPI throughout the five years of the Parliament. However their hasn't been a game changer by anyone and if there is nothing significant in the manifestos then the Country, sadly, is drifting into utter chaoswelshowl said:
Fair enough ( I thought Ed had done it too). Another Earth shattering direction setting policy from Tory HQ then. ( I'm sure Ed wants to limit them really too. I doubt he'll be happy till he's personally going round Asdas with a sticker gun regulating the prices!)Big_G_NorthWales said:
Very good summary except the train fare freeze is David Cameronswelshowl said:I have no idea what the parties are doing. It's unearthly weird.
What the Tories are doing with this 3 day volunteering thing is beyond me, as is the resitting of SATs tests as a policy deemed releasable to the news cycle. The Fallon quote was a cock up let's be honest, and detracted from the Trident message ( which was actually only "we'll buy one extra boat"). The six year old passed out next to Cameron was on to something.
Labour's non Dom thing prob played well with its target audience but they made an utter Horlicks launching it. Now Ed is in Scotland, implausibly channeling his inner Bundesbank, lecturing the SNP on the virtues of fiscal rectitude and nobody will believe a word he's saying. Oh and he's frozen/capped/constrained ( perm any two from three just like gas or rents ) train fares.
I can literally remember nothing about the Lib's campaign other than Nick Clegg walking through a wooded area with Ed Davey.
UKIP are making the Tories look like a Mandelsoneque campaign in comparison. it's just vapid and shows that sans Nigel there's sod all ( where is Carswell??).
The SNP are doing a lap of honour and in fairness I think they could announce the slaughter of the first born and it won't make any difference in 2015, landslide doesn't cover it I think.
Plaid/Greens Respect - well I'm bored now anyway who the hell cares? ( Though Plaid's Ceredigion candidate must be starring in a reality show for a bet - surely)
Basically I'm not impressed though at least Labour appear arsed about it in fairness. Innumerate, but arsed.
This is the election where what's NOT in the manifesto is the bit to look for, because they are all giving me the impression of tippy toeing around the big big issues because they are all scared we'll get the heeeby jeebies if we are told something approaching the truth. Come on Tories: where are the £12bn welfare cuts coming from then? Labour stop trying to con us you can get mansions, and non doms, and bankers to raise the taxes you want to - 'cos they can't and we know it.
Feel better having got that lit off my chest!0 -
Whereabouts Rob , I lived in Santa Clara many years ago. Wonderful area to live.RobD said:
I live in the Bay area.MTimT said:
RobD: where in the US are you? I am in the DC area.RobD said:
But what if you wanted to celebrate your identity as an Englishman? Similarly for Welsh not living in Wales. Limiting where you can fly a flag to only the jurisdiction it represents is silly.YBarddCwsc said:Labour candidate: People who fly England flags are 'simpletons and casual racists'
Isam, this refers to a Welsh Labour candidate, who is talking about flying England flags in Wales.
Although I am not a great one for flags, it seems that either the Welsh flag or the Union Jack (depending on inclination) might be more reasonable choices if you want to fly a flag in Ceredigion.
After all, I don't expect to see the Welsh Flag flying over Canvey Island.0 -
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East Dunbartonshire is a seat I'm hoping will rock up for the NatsCarnyx said:
And, as any fule kno, pronounced Milguy, which may be why some PBers don't know the geography.Dair said:https://twitter.com/MrJohnNicolson/status/585162213670944768
Milngavie is in East Dunbartonshire for those who don't know the geography. It's also one of the poshest suburbs of Glasgow full of £1m+ properties.0 -
What would you suggest?Pulpstar said:
People should really review all their personal finances around the chaos this election will hopefully bring.foxinsoxuk said:
Move your money into shares that are overseas earners, in particular those such as GSK that earn in Dollars. They will do well if Sterling slides.jayfdee said:
Yes and on Monday I will convert to cash a large part of my portfolio,fill up my cash isa, and Mrs Jayfdee cash ISA, use up all my capital gains allowance including realising some losses, maybe buy some euros to keep under the bed, and then hunker down until it is all over.MikeL said:FTSE closes at all time record high - 7089.
Any other suggestions to make myself Milliproof welcome.
Most of my money is tied up in equity in my house. I rely on my monthly salary (like most people) for everything else, although I do have a few k (and it is a few) of savings.
As I am very squarely in the crosshairs of those who Labour target for a tax squeeze (those earning between £35k-£75k in the private sector) I expect to feel a very real financial penalty.
I don't think there's very much I can do about it.0 -
Election watch
Labour leaflet today.. No pic of Ed
Just that and Ukip so far
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A journalist should ask Murphy how he feels about most likely being elected by Conservative tactical voters0
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Regardless of them fiddling , both will be rarer than rocking horse merde, extinction beckons for the London sockpuppet partiesHYUFD said:ScotsTory What would be useful would be a voteswap website, so say Tories vote Labour in SNP v Labour seats in return for Labour voters voting Tory in rural SNP v Tory seats.
Certainly next year at Holyrood though where the UK government will not be at issue I would expect far more tactical voting, with Tories voting Labour on the constituency vote and Tory on the regional list0 -
Apparently, Ed M recently vetoed a photo-op at Asda because he'd have to wear a hair-net, and he didn't want to look silly ...Dair said:This really made me laugh. Eggs and Bacon.
https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/5865229391824691210 -
I think that kind of retrospection is pretty improbably. What is plausible is a reduction in the allowance applying to any incremental gains during the year after the allowance change. So if you've already used your allowance, you're fine but if not then you can forget about it. Moderately complicated to implement but a picnic compared to the child benefit higher earners' charge.Richard_Nabavi said:
Unlikely, I think. Even Ed Miliband wouldn't be that irresponsible.jayfdee said:
Could Labour reduce the CGT allowance for the year and apply it retrospectively to gains already realised in the year?
(My "expert" advice is perhaps best treated with caution here. About this time in 2010 I stood up in front of an audience of about 200 financial advisers to give a pre-election tax advice update to aid client discussions and told them that I didn't see the CGT rate being changed after the election because it didn't fit with the current direction of fiscal policy pursued by either of the major parties. I haven't been invited back this year.)0 -
Ah I live on the East Bay. I was chatting to a friend about this earlier, there is a huge divide here, between the haves and have nots, especially with the very visible homeless problem. Very sucky.malcolmg said:
Whereabouts Rob , I lived in Santa Clara many years ago. Wonderful area to live.RobD said:
I live in the Bay area.MTimT said:
RobD: where in the US are you? I am in the DC area.RobD said:
But what if you wanted to celebrate your identity as an Englishman? Similarly for Welsh not living in Wales. Limiting where you can fly a flag to only the jurisdiction it represents is silly.YBarddCwsc said:Labour candidate: People who fly England flags are 'simpletons and casual racists'
Isam, this refers to a Welsh Labour candidate, who is talking about flying England flags in Wales.
Although I am not a great one for flags, it seems that either the Welsh flag or the Union Jack (depending on inclination) might be more reasonable choices if you want to fly a flag in Ceredigion.
After all, I don't expect to see the Welsh Flag flying over Canvey Island.0 -
OK plan B gift a large portion to my children,they will get it sooner or later anyway,they can nibble away at it with whatever personal CGT allowance remains.MikeL said:
Yes, I think they could.jayfdee said:
Could Labour reduce the CGT allowance for the year and apply it retrospectively to gains already realised in the year?MikeL said:
Ive decided not to realise gains for 2015/16 pre GE.jayfdee said:
Yes and on Monday I will convert to cash a large part of my portfolio,fill up my cash isa, and Mrs Jayfdee cash ISA, use up all my capital gains allowance including realising some losses, maybe buy some euros to keep under the bed, and then hunker down until it is all over.MikeL said:FTSE closes at all time record high - 7089.
Any other suggestions to make myself Milliproof welcome.
Lab have said they will put up top rate to 50% for 2015/16 - I think they could also easily cut the CGT allowance for 2015/16 - even though we are already into the year.
Remember the LDs proposed cutting it to £1,500 or £2,000 (from £11,100!).
They have already said they will change the 45p rate to 50p for the whole year - ie from 6th April. If they can do that then they can change the CGT allowance as well.
Not saying they will - who knows!!!
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Why would a Tory vote for Jim Murphy - much more likely to vote SNP to ensure labour's demisePulpstar said:A journalist should ask Murphy how he feels about most likely being elected by Conservative tactical voters
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More importantly, it's also the southern end of the West Highland Way. Which is a very nice trail (especially at the northern end), but rather too busy to be a classic.Carnyx said:
And, as any fule kno, pronounced Milguy, which may be why some PBers don't know the geography.Dair said:https://twitter.com/MrJohnNicolson/status/585162213670944768
Milngavie is in East Dunbartonshire for those who don't know the geography. It's also one of the poshest suburbs of Glasgow full of £1m+ properties.0 -
I was living off allowances so had a very good life. America is great if you have cash.RobD said:
Ah I live on the East Bay. I was chatting to a friend about this earlier, there is a huge divide here, between the haves and have nots, especially with the very visible homeless problem. Very sucky.malcolmg said:
Whereabouts Rob , I lived in Santa Clara many years ago. Wonderful area to live.RobD said:
I live in the Bay area.MTimT said:
RobD: where in the US are you? I am in the DC area.RobD said:
But what if you wanted to celebrate your identity as an Englishman? Similarly for Welsh not living in Wales. Limiting where you can fly a flag to only the jurisdiction it represents is silly.YBarddCwsc said:Labour candidate: People who fly England flags are 'simpletons and casual racists'
Isam, this refers to a Welsh Labour candidate, who is talking about flying England flags in Wales.
Although I am not a great one for flags, it seems that either the Welsh flag or the Union Jack (depending on inclination) might be more reasonable choices if you want to fly a flag in Ceredigion.
After all, I don't expect to see the Welsh Flag flying over Canvey Island.
Spent good few years in North Carolina as well which was very nice , and Austin , Texas which was a bit too hot but absolutely lovely.0 -
The LDs would extract a very heavy penalty from the Conservatives to form a government on those numbers, which would also require DUP acquiescence to S&C. Personally, I'm not sure Cameron could carry such a deal past his party. He might have no choice but to resign.MikeL said:
Please do not vote Lab under any circumstances.ScotsTory said:
Long time lurker here but finally registered so I can post. The tactical voting point is something I'm struggling with. My constituency is a straight SNP/SLAB fight. I would love to say I'm the bigger man and would vote for the Unionst candidate (I.e. SLAB) but with my UK hat on it is in our interests for the SNP to take the seat. I was discussing this with a colleague of mine today (he is not a Tory) and we felt that a SNP vote is a safe vote this time - next year at Holyrood elections it will be different! On reflection I'm going to stick with my instincts and vote Tory (albeit probably wasted in terms of outcome) and think many others will do the sameDanSmith said:SNP winning a seat instead of the Conservatives helps Labour.
SNP winning a seat instead of Labour helps the Conservatives.
I just don't see tactical voting happening on any great scale.
Con 290
Lab 270
LD 30
SNP 40
Cameron will be PM
Con 290
Lab 290
LD 30
SNP 20
Miliband will be PM
Approx numbers but you get the point. LD will not go with Lab if SNP also needed. LD will go with Lab if SNP not needed.
If they didn't get it, they might well go with Labour for a minority coalition. There's Plaid, Green, SDLP as well, which gives an extra 7-8 seats, to 307-308 seats. That'd comfortably outvote Tory+DUP+UKIP. Such a minority Lab-LD coalition could only really be threatened when the Tories and SNP joined forces against a measure they both didn't like.
I agree there's a grey zone between 285-295 seats where the Conservatives continuing in government is *possible*, but it's also rather unlikely.0 -
I couldn't work it out either, but he has appeal apparently all the same.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Why would a Tory vote for Jim Murphy - much more likely to vote SNP to ensure labour's demisePulpstar said:A journalist should ask Murphy how he feels about most likely being elected by Conservative tactical voters
People who I can't work out why on earth anyone would tactical vote for them ever:
1) Jim Murphy
2) Ed Davey
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I know there's a tendency on PB to characterise Ed's Labour party as the British Syriza, but I really can't see there being any substantive difference in the taxation levels implemented plans by either main party - certainly not for people such as you in the middle-income range. In short, I really don't think you need worry.Casino_Royale said:
What would you suggest?Pulpstar said:
People should really review all their personal finances around the chaos this election will hopefully bring.foxinsoxuk said:
Move your money into shares that are overseas earners, in particular those such as GSK that earn in Dollars. They will do well if Sterling slides.jayfdee said:
Yes and on Monday I will convert to cash a large part of my portfolio,fill up my cash isa, and Mrs Jayfdee cash ISA, use up all my capital gains allowance including realising some losses, maybe buy some euros to keep under the bed, and then hunker down until it is all over.MikeL said:FTSE closes at all time record high - 7089.
Any other suggestions to make myself Milliproof welcome.
Most of my money is tied up in equity in my house. I rely on my monthly salary (like most people) for everything else, although I do have a few k (and it is a few) of savings.
As I am very squarely in the crosshairs of those who Labour target for a tax squeeze (those earning between £35k-£75k in the private sector) I expect to feel a very real financial penalty.
I don't think there's very much I can do about it.0 -
Brilliant strategy though by the Tories to let labour run the unionists camp in independence campaign ;-)malcolmg said:
Regardless of them fiddling , both will be rarer than rocking horse merde, extinction beckons for the London sockpuppet partiesHYUFD said:ScotsTory What would be useful would be a voteswap website, so say Tories vote Labour in SNP v Labour seats in return for Labour voters voting Tory in rural SNP v Tory seats.
Certainly next year at Holyrood though where the UK government will not be at issue I would expect far more tactical voting, with Tories voting Labour on the constituency vote and Tory on the regional list
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More hyping of anti-SNP tactical voting from the unionist Laura Kueensberg of the BBC:
"Something else is brewing, however. It is hard ever to be definitive about tactical voting and its effects. But a group of activists who worked together to oppose independence have reunited to try to stop, or at least hold back, the SNP surge.
The campaign, United Against Separation (UAS), claims to have around 600 activists signed up in Scotland, from Labour, Tory, Lib Dems and those who aren't in any parties. They have pledged to help the SNP's closest rival in every single seat in Scotland, no matter who it is.
The group says it is already delivering campaign materials and knocking on doors to try to switch votes. Andrew Skinner from the campaign told me in one Labour-held seat this week, Inverclyde, that activists from UAS persuaded dozens of voters in a Tory area of the seat to vote Labour, to help block the SNP.
Mr Skinner said: "People won't say publicly, but be it a Labour or a Tory area they are happy to vote the other way to keep the SNP out."
No campaign posters during the independence referendum campaign
Will tactical voting from former "No" campaigners play a role in May's election?
It's hard to verify their claims but Dundee-based Lib Dem activist Fraser McPherson says there is "absolutely no doubt" they are seeing tactical voting right across north-east Scotland.
One voter tells me: "I'm interested in a tactical vote... there are a lot of people like me who don't want to make a big noise about it."
Even once the polls are closed, the results are in, and we know how big the SNP success story is, we'll never be able fully to quantify the impact of voters making tactical choices. But Mr Skinner believes it's "on people's lips" and could take some of the shine off the SNP's likely victories.
The SNP is, though, the dominant force. There is no question they are on course to take significant numbers of seats in Scotland. But with four weeks to go we can't know just how big their influence will turn out to be.
I remember the confidence displayed by many Yes campaigners in the week before the independence referendum and their crashing disappointment afterwards. The polls of course are this time, completely different and it's a totally different vote.
However, in an election as unpredictable as this one, runaway assumptions could well turn out to be wrong."
Last sentence is her own obvious wishful thinking.
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You and I share very different political views, Roger, but I honestly have no idea either.Roger said:If any Tories are around could they say whether this second coming of 'The Big Society' has been researched? I cannot for the life of me imagine it winning a single vote.
So what am I missing?
My best guess is that it's Cameron trying to inject a bit of the stronger/big society positive sunny optimism stuff he pushed from 2005-2008 into the campaign and manifesto.
My understanding is that he has a concern that just blindly sticking to "long-term economic plan" until polling day might be a bit uninspiring.0 -
Would you be able to point out specifically where in my post I mentioned white?SouthamObserver said:
Interesting. What does this single entity known as the white working class believe in? Many white working class people believe in the public sector. Labour does not despise that. UKIP's Thatcherite leadership does. Many more believe in strong trade unions. Labour does not despise that. UKIP's Thatcherite leadership does.There are a fair few who believe in an expanded state. Labour does not despise that. UKIP's Thatcherite leadership does.MP_SE said:
Beat me to it.isam said:Telegraph Politics (@TelePolitics)
10/04/2015 16:55
Labour candidate: People who fly England flags are 'simpletons and casual racists' tgr.ph/1CzH8YC
I think Nige's comment says it all about Labour. IF Labour win the election, UKIP will be in a very very strong position to hoover up an awful lot of working class northern votes when they realise that Labour despises everything they believe in.
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/586553362100973568
If you are the kind of person who seriously believes the white working class drives around in white vans and likes nothing more than waving England flags you really do not know much about the white working class, which - in reality - comes in all shapes and sizes and is home to a wide variety of views.
Whether you like it or not the working class/white working class are for the most part patriotic. Sneering at England flags and insulting those who choose to display them is not patriotic. I know that may be hard for you to believe as the liberal elite which flock to Labour are ashamed of England's past.
If what you said is correct why did Emily Thornberry get the boot? Obviously Ed doesn't agree with you.0 -
Don't crash the switchboards in the rush fellow PB'ers.
But auntie Beeb needs you!
"Ultimate election geek
Are you election-mad? BBC News is searching for the ' biggest amateur general election nerd '. Can you help?"
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The BBC explained today that there are 15 million people who volunteer for all sorts of community service including school governors, charity organisations and the like and that this policy would apply to all people working in Companies with 250 or more employees and the public sector, though trade union work would not apply. It is welcomed by the CBI and whilst it may have merits its hardly an eye catcherCasino_Royale said:
You and I share very different political views, Roger, but I honestly have no idea either.Roger said:If any Tories are around could they say whether this second coming of 'The Big Society' has been researched? I cannot for the life of me imagine it winning a single vote.
So what am I missing?
My best guess is that it's Cameron trying to inject a bit of the stronger/big society positive sunny optimism stuff he pushed from 2005-2008 into the campaign and manifesto.
My understanding is that he has a concern that just blindly sticking to "long-term economic plan" until polling day might be a bit uninspiring.0 -
Thanks, I wish I could share your optimism, but I disagree.ThomasNashe said:
I know there's a tendency on PB to characterise Ed's Labour party as the British Syriza, but I really can't see there being any substantive difference in the taxation levels implemented plans by either main party - certainly not for people such as you in the middle-income range. In short, I really don't think you need worry.Casino_Royale said:
What would you suggest?Pulpstar said:
People should really review all their personal finances around the chaos this election will hopefully bring.foxinsoxuk said:
Move your money into shares that are overseas earners, in particular those such as GSK that earn in Dollars. They will do well if Sterling slides.jayfdee said:
Yes and on Monday I will convert to cash a large part of my portfolio,fill up my cash isa, and Mrs Jayfdee cash ISA, use up all my capital gains allowance including realising some losses, maybe buy some euros to keep under the bed, and then hunker down until it is all over.MikeL said:FTSE closes at all time record high - 7089.
Any other suggestions to make myself Milliproof welcome.
Most of my money is tied up in equity in my house. I rely on my monthly salary (like most people) for everything else, although I do have a few k (and it is a few) of savings.
As I am very squarely in the crosshairs of those who Labour target for a tax squeeze (those earning between £35k-£75k in the private sector) I expect to feel a very real financial penalty.
I don't think there's very much I can do about it.
We rehearsed Labour tax moves on here the other day; their stated policy is to shift toward increasing tax rather than cutting spending to solve the deficit. Although, personally, I think they'll probably borrow as much as they can get away with.
I think the 40p band would be frozen. There would probably be no further real uplifts in the basic IT threshold. My pension savings limits would be cut (again) and fuel duty increased. And nothing on inheritance tax, although the Tories probably won't do much on that either.
More seriously, due to their macro-economic management of the country (including mansion taxes, 50p top rate, increases in corporation tax and increases in Employer NI) I wouldn't be surprised to see the economy suffer and my salary growth stagnate over time.
I'd expect to be several thousand pounds worse off over five years. Possibly a lot more.0 -
I used to work for a Big 4 consultancy. They offered this 2 days per year off for volunteering as standard as part of their "flexi" benefits package.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The BBC explained today that there are 15 million people who volunteer for all sorts of community service including school governors, charity organisations and the like and that this policy would apply to all people working in Companies with 250 or more employees and the public sector, though trade union work would not apply. It is welcomed by the CBI and whilst it may have merits its hardly an eye catcherCasino_Royale said:
You and I share very different political views, Roger, but I honestly have no idea either.Roger said:If any Tories are around could they say whether this second coming of 'The Big Society' has been researched? I cannot for the life of me imagine it winning a single vote.
So what am I missing?
My best guess is that it's Cameron trying to inject a bit of the stronger/big society positive sunny optimism stuff he pushed from 2005-2008 into the campaign and manifesto.
My understanding is that he has a concern that just blindly sticking to "long-term economic plan" until polling day might be a bit uninspiring.
Increasingly, many larger firms do.0 -
Thanks for the warm welcoine all - although I have been lurking for a while it is good to finally 'come out'- honestly you are not that scary! Well maybe a little. My aim is to hang around and continue to post.
I think Scotland is going to be not only fascinating but also pivotal to the next UK government. I still think the SNP will have c.40 seats - SLAB have a loyal but diminishing support as we did in 1997. If the outcome isvs the polls, DC should propose fulll fiscal autonomy to Scotland. If the SNP accept they will finally have to com up with a coherent econimic policy (and be damned for supporting the Tories) or reject through ideology which will question their relevance. Either way the union will win.0 -
MalcG Tactical voting will be more a factor at Holyrood next year, but may save a handful of seats next year0
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Surely the very last thing the Scottish Tories are going to do is to vote Labour "tactically". They're far more likely surely to vote SNP so as to defeat Labour. Well at least that would be my thinking if I lived North of the Border, Heaven forbid.0
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I fear sticky fingers will be stuck into pensions ( yes we remember Gordon), which really pisses me off as it's tax on the virtuous activity of saving for your old age. I may be wrong, I hope I am but I doubt it.Casino_Royale said:
Thanks, I wish I could share your optimism, but I disagree.ThomasNashe said:
I know there's a tendency on PB to characterise Ed's Labour party as the British Syriza, but I really can't see there being any substantive difference in the taxation levels implemented plans by either main party - certainly not for people such as you in the middle-income range. In short, I really don't think you need worry.Casino_Royale said:
What would you suggest?Pulpstar said:
People should really review all their personal finances around the chaos this election will hopefully bring.foxinsoxuk said:
Move your money into shares that are overseas earners, in particular those such as GSK that earn in Dollars. They will do well if Sterling slides.jayfdee said:
Yes and on Monday I will convert to cash a large part of my portfolio,fill up my cash isa, and Mrs Jayfdee cash ISA, use up all my capital gains allowance including realising some losses, maybe buy some euros to keep under the bed, and then hunker down until it is all over.MikeL said:FTSE closes at all time record high - 7089.
Any other suggestions to make myself Milliproof welcome.
Most of my money is tied up in equity in my house. I rely on my monthly salary (like most people) for everything else, although I do have a few k (and it is a few) of savings.
As I am very squarely in the crosshairs of those who Labour target for a tax squeeze (those earning between £35k-£75k in the private sector) I expect to feel a very real financial penalty.
I don't think there's very much I can do about it.
We rehearsed Labour tax moves on here the other day; their stated policy is to shift toward increasing tax rather than cutting spending to solve the deficit. Although, personally, I think they'll probably borrow as much as they can get away with.
I think the 40p band would be frozen. There would probably be no further real uplifts in the basic IT threshold. My pension savings limits would be cut (again) and fuel duty increased. And nothing on inheritance tax, although the Tories probably won't do much on that either.
More seriously, due to their macro-economic management of the country (including mansion taxes, 50p top rate, increases in corporation tax and increases in Employer NI) I wouldn't be surprised to see the economy suffer and my salary growth stagnate over time.
I'd expect to be several thousand pounds worse off over five years. Possibly a lot more.0 -
MalcG/RobD The US is certainly great if you have money and can afford insurance, cheaper house prices and lower taxes so you can keep more of your money. Although it does not have the welfare states and public healthcare most developed nations do it does have food stamps, some public housing, medicare, medicaid etc0
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Apparently the SNP have opened a second election shop in East Dunbartonshire.0
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I used to work for a Big 4 consultancy. They offered this 2 days per year off for volunteering as standard as part of their "flexi" benefits package.Casino_Royale said:
The BBC explained today that there are 15 million people who volunteer for all sorts of community service including school governors, charity organisations and the like and that this policy would apply to all people working in Companies with 250 or more employees and the public sector, though trade union work would not apply. It is welcomed by the CBI and whilst it may have merits its hardly an eye catcherBig_G_NorthWales said:
You and I share very different political views, Roger, but I honestly have no idea either.Casino_Royale said:If any Tories are around could they say whether this second coming of 'The Big Society' has been researched? I cannot for the life of me imagine it winning a single vote.
So what am I missing?
My best guess is that it's Cameron trying to inject a bit of the stronger/big society positive sunny optimism stuff he pushed from 2005-2008 into the campaign and manifesto.
My understanding is that he has a concern that just blindly sticking to "long-term economic plan" until polling day might be a bit uninspiring.
Increasingly, many larger firms do.
The better (And more US) law firms do this. Still a 2200 chargeable hour requirement of course...0 -
Second Lib Dem PEB.
And it's another one based around driving a car around.
WTF.0 -
I did (Edinburgh) in the 1960's and I would vote SNP today to keep labour outpeter_from_putney said:Surely the very last thing the Scottish Tories are going to do is to vote Labour "tactically". They're far more likely surely to vote SNP so as to defeat Labour. Well at least that would be my thinking if I lived North of the Border, Heaven forbid.
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For the cricket fans on here, here's a ridiculous catch from the IPL:
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When Scotland voted No the FTSE went on a month long crash losing 10% of it's value and didn't recover that level until 4 months later.jayfdee said:
Yes and on Monday I will convert to cash a large part of my portfolio,fill up my cash isa, and Mrs Jayfdee cash ISA, use up all my capital gains allowance including realising some losses, maybe buy some euros to keep under the bed, and then hunker down until it is all over.MikeL said:FTSE closes at all time record high - 7089.
Any other suggestions to make myself Milliproof welcome.
Do you think the market was actually reacting to Scotland voting No?
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I have hard Ed is bringing in a PB Tory tax if he wins!0
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@MP_SE - EdM sacked Thornberry because he is a complete tit. The idea that all working class people drive vans and hang England flags out of their windows is absurd, and it is condescending in the extreme. That bollocks he spouted about thinking "Respect" when he sees a white van was just moronic.
I grew up in a working class family. There were no flags in the house or in the houses of anyone else we knew. Working class people, like most people in this country, are patriotic to a greater or lesser degree. For some, it will be hugely important, for others a lot less so - rather like everyone really.
Members of the working class who are intensely patriotic have always tended to vote Tory. That's how the Tories won elections when the working class was in the majority. They were also the working class Tories who helped to deliver Mrs Thatcher her victories. The Tories lost that vote in the 90s. UKIP may well get it now.
As for England's past, there are great bits, good bits and not so good bits. We all look at events differently.
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And you think this is in jest !!!!!bigjohnowls said:I have hard Ed is bringing in a PB Tory tax if he wins!
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What about PB Hodges'?????bigjohnowls said:I have hard Ed is bringing in a PB Tory tax if he wins!
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PeterfromP At Holyrood next year though when the UK government is not at stake far more Tories will vote Labour on the constituency level and Tory on the regional list to try and deny the SNP another majority0
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I couldn't help noticing that we have allowed the Scots to live in English style houses. And the ungrateful wretches still want independence.Dair said:https://twitter.com/MrJohnNicolson/status/585162213670944768
Milngavie is in East Dunbartonshire for those who don't know the geography. It's also one of the poshest suburbs of Glasgow full of £1m+ properties.
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I know you're a staunch supporter, but Ed really shouldn't have than affect on you.bigjohnowls said:I have hard Ed is bringing in a PB Tory tax if he wins!
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Here's John Curtice view:
http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2015/04/could-tactical-voting-scupper-the-snp/
My seat, Stirling, is a good example of how difficult for tactical voting to have an impact. SNP will likely get over 40%, SLAB and the Tories will likely get 20-25% each.0 -
Writing during the 2006 football World Cup, Mr Thomas said: "I agree it is totally sickening the number of English flags to be seen around Wales. It really shows the level our society has been infiltrated by immigrants who aren't ready to integrate."
Replace that with say Pakistani flags seen in England and Farage (or a random UKIP'er for that matter), it would be headline news rather than buried away under "Candidate suggested cars be damaged". Strange how the headline writers for the BBC never manage to fit the word Labour in either.0 -
I love Curtice analysiscalum said:Here's John Curtice view:
http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2015/04/could-tactical-voting-scupper-the-snp/
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I was in Scotland for two weeks in the run up to the referendum, and found people very reticent to express opinions in public. The polls were quite inaccurate, as it turned out. No doubt the SNP are on the up, but may again not do as well as the polls are suggesting.
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Pulpstar Calum Well even in Stirling if Labour got 25% and 2/3 of Tories tactically voted Labour, that would give Labour 42.5% and the seat0
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"BBC News is looking for the biggest amateur general election nerd. " o_O0
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I never said all working class drive white vans or hang England flags out the window. But constantly attacking people who choose to hang an England flag out the window, post sneering pictures of white vans or branding people bigots for having genuine concerns about immigration will not boost support amonst large sections of the working class population. The liberal elite which infest Labour wish to force their progressive policies down working class people's throats and when they disagree they are insulted. This has happened time and time again.SouthamObserver said:@MP_SE - EdM sacked Thornberry because he is a complete tit. The idea that all working class people drive vans and hang England flags out of their windows is absurd, and it is condescending in the extreme. That bollocks he spouted about thinking "Respect" when he sees a white van was just moronic.
I grew up in a working class family. There were no flags in the house or in the houses of anyone else we knew. Working class people, like most people in this country, are patriotic to a greater or lesser degree. For some, it will be hugely important, for others a lot less so - rather like everyone really.
Members of the working class who are intensely patriotic have always tended to vote Tory. That's how the Tories won elections when the working class was in the majority. They were also the working class Tories who helped to deliver Mrs Thatcher her victories. The Tories lost that vote in the 90s. UKIP may well get it now.
As for England's past, there are great bits, good bits and not so good bits. We all look at events differently.
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Edit on the final point...looks like they have changed it partially. Appears as two different headlines, neither of which actually note the real issue with what he said.FrancisUrquhart said:Writing during the 2006 football World Cup, Mr Thomas said: "I agree it is totally sickening the number of English flags to be seen around Wales. It really shows the level our society has been infiltrated by immigrants who aren't ready to integrate."
Replace that with say Pakistani flags seen in England and Farage (or a random UKIP'er for that matter), it would be headline news rather than buried away under "Candidate suggested cars be damaged". Strange how the headline writers for the BBC never manage to fit the word Labour in either.0 -
I seemed to remember she only got boot after giving an interview defending this tweet, where she made matters far worse than the actual tweet itself.SouthamObserver said:@MP_SE - EdM sacked Thornberry because he is a complete tit. The idea that all working class people drive vans and hang England flags out of their windows is absurd, and it is condescending in the extreme. That bollocks he spouted about thinking "Respect" when he sees a white van was just moronic.
I grew up in a working class family. There were no flags in the house or in the houses of anyone else we knew. Working class people, like most people in this country, are patriotic to a greater or lesser degree. For some, it will be hugely important, for others a lot less so - rather like everyone really.
Members of the working class who are intensely patriotic have always tended to vote Tory. That's how the Tories won elections when the working class was in the majority. They were also the working class Tories who helped to deliver Mrs Thatcher her victories. The Tories lost that vote in the 90s. UKIP may well get it now.
As for England's past, there are great bits, good bits and not so good bits. We all look at events differently.
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TimT I was giving the Tories 25% at the upper end of Calum's scale0
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Felix Why? Sturgeon has made clear she will vote down a Cameron government and install Miliband as PM even if Labour has fewer seats than the Tories, a Labour or SNP MP makes no difference to Cameron's chances of being PM, though I agree tactical voting is more likely at Holyrood next year0
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No Labour incumbent in Stirling.
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For what its worth I don't know any Tories who would vote Labour to keep the SNP out. As SLAB and the Tories will be level pegging how do they decide which party gets this theoretical Unionist vote? At the end of the day Tories and SLAB hate each other more than the SNP, particularly as this is already a nasty national campaign.HYUFD said:Pulpstar Calum Well even in Stirling if Labour got 25% and 2/3 of Tories tactically voted Labour, that would give Labour 42.5% and the seat
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In which case, why would the Tories vote SLAB and vice versa if their candidates are level pegging. Tactical voting is more likely to occur if there is a clear challenger, not if two challengers are neck and neck. And Tories are in any case not likely to vote SLAB, as SNP is preferable in terms of overall chances of a Con led government.HYUFD said:TimT I was giving the Tories 25% at the upper end of Calum's scale
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"Replace that with say Pakistani flags seen in England and Farage (or a random UKIP'er for that matter), it would be headline news rather than buried away under "Candidate suggested cars be damaged".
Well, the Labour candidate for Ceredigion has made headline news. BBC Wales have it as the main headline, with Labour mentioned.
What more do you want?
This is a no hope seat in which Labour will struggle to hold the deposit. I would have more sympathy for the Labour candidate if he hadn't begun the mudslinging, but -- really -- this is just some dumb remarks he made as a student.
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If that happened I am pretty sure (professionally) that the insurers would have to be notified as the insured's would be in breach of policy conditions.AndyJS said:"Police were told a burglar alarm had gone off at the scene of the Hatton Garden safety deposit raid - but decided it did not require a response."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32253724
"All monitored intruder alarm systems are assigned a Level 1 status when they are first installed - i.e. the police respond immediately when the ARC has confirmed an activation, as outlined above.
In the Original ACPO Policy if the police are called to respond to 2 false alarms within any 12 month period, the police response would fall to Level 2. Since the introduction of the ACPO 2004 Policy, this Level 2 response is no longer employed by nearly all police constabularies. Instead, if the police are called to respond to 3 false alarms within any 12 month period, the police response will fall to Level 3 and police response would be withdrawn."
http://www.ciaalarms.co.uk/intruder-alarms/monitoring/police-response0