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Labour being slaughtered again over the SNP.
It's happening all over Northern England on QT.0 -
Just checked my Betfair Sportsbook account and I have been paid out on my 'heckler to be removed from the audience' bet at 7/1.
Woohoo!!!!0 -
Fantastic, congratulations!nigel4england said:Just checked my Betfair Sportsbook account and I have been paid out on my 'heckler to be removed from the audience' bet at 7/1.
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In just what way does ''best''differ from plain old best?RobD said:
That's a four way MoE tie, surely? Is it right to say no one won with a convincing lead?TheScreamingEagles said:
And just what were the respondents criteria and how did they weight them?
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You mean a SNP supporting one don't you.Dair said:
No they want BBC Scotland devolved, so they can strip out the Labour Party placepeople and make it an impartial broadcaster.RobD said:
So the SNP were only proposing to take control of BBC Scotland's political output?Dair said:BBC highlights are very heavy on Sturgeon. Not surprising as its BBC National and trying to be impartial instea of Labour run BBC Scotland.
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Yeah, not cricket.Philip_Thompson said:
Vile and for the second time. Where's a moderator, surely this deserves a ban?IOS said:Scott
Cameron is as likely to keep hold of number 10 as you were your wife.0 -
Do you have HIV?MP_SE said:54% of people diagnosed with HIV are foreign born.
Metropolitan liberals fall over themselves with faux outrage.
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@patrick_kidd: I wonder if Miliband is now regretting agreeing to the opposition debate. Sturgeon looks like the leader of the opposition0
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Izzy.
"Are you giving the Stompie Moeketsi Room a makeover?"
Yes but It's now the Margaret Thatcher wing.
We Tories have to stick together0 -
Ah, I need not have worried...
@MSmithsonPB: If Farage's debate performance gives UKIP a lift that could hurt the Tories
Dave can't win...0 -
RobD said:
End of 2013, IIRC. Yep, 14th October 2013.SimonStClare said:YouGov voting poll - CON 37%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 12%, GRN 5%.
When was the last time the Tories scored 37% with YG? - seems an awfully long time age.
Many thanks RobD
A bit of a mixed bag wrt the rest of tonight's polls, although Sturgeon will be quite pleased.0 -
Scott
At least Mike gives his own opinions. Rather than just copying others...0 -
How did it go down in Scotland?
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@alstewitn: .@agendaitv @FraserNelson #GE2015 '@Ed_Miliband could have won it tonight; he didn't. @David_Cameron didn't take any punches'.0
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Not really. They kept on Eilidh Angelini after all. The SNP are not Dogmatic. They will intentionally remove Labour placepeople, that's the biggest part of Labour's problem in Scotland - they use Scotland as their own fiefdom to promote and place their relatives and party people into public sector jobs.Saltire said:
You mean a SNP supporting one don't you.Dair said:
No they want BBC Scotland devolved, so they can strip out the Labour Party placepeople and make it an impartial broadcaster.RobD said:
So the SNP were only proposing to take control of BBC Scotland's political output?Dair said:BBC highlights are very heavy on Sturgeon. Not surprising as its BBC National and trying to be impartial instea of Labour run BBC Scotland.
The SNP have avoided that so far, hopefully always will. But good people will keep their jobs. Only a good, effective, non-dogmatic public sector will make people happy enough to vote Yes.0 -
the trouble is that an SNP surge does nothing to help a con government into power, it only makes a labour government more likely to be genuinely left wingTheScreamingEagles said:
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Off to bed safe in the knowledge that brent crude dropped 5% today and if Northern voters stick with Labour then they are hosepiping their money to Scotland0
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Pretty funny though given Scott p has zilch to add to the conversation being a CCHQ drone.0
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I haven't paid much attention to the Opposition debate line up - is Ms Sturgeon on that panel as well as Ed?
If so, nasty prospects for SLABScott_P said:@patrick_kidd: I wonder if Miliband is now regretting agreeing to the opposition debate. Sturgeon looks like the leader of the opposition
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You call in vain. The moderator has already chosen to let the vileness stand.Philip_Thompson said:
Vile and for the second time. Where's a moderator, surely this deserves a ban?IOS said:Scott
Cameron is as likely to keep hold of number 10 as you were your wife.
My comment about how disgusting these attacks are was, ironically, moderated.0 -
Yes, it's the same againg minus Cameron and Clegg.Plato said:I haven't paid much attention to the Opposition debate line up - is Ms Sturgeon on that panel as well as Ed?
If so, nasty prospects for SLABScott_P said:@patrick_kidd: I wonder if Miliband is now regretting agreeing to the opposition debate. Sturgeon looks like the leader of the opposition
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Scott - the brainless Tory bot...0
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@jonwalker121: Parties will argue about meaning of Comres post-debate poll (pic) - I think it looks best for Cameron #leadersdebate http://t.co/4tifRYcUAl0
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So no Cleggers? Oh, I didn't know that. Even uglier.tlg86 said:
Yes, it's the same againg minus Cameron and Clegg.Plato said:I haven't paid much attention to the Opposition debate line up - is Ms Sturgeon on that panel as well as Ed?
If so, nasty prospects for SLABScott_P said:@patrick_kidd: I wonder if Miliband is now regretting agreeing to the opposition debate. Sturgeon looks like the leader of the opposition
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It makes a coalition of the losers less likely. Last time if Labour had a few more/Tories less then a Labour+Lib Dem coalition could have been plausible. A Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition is frankly not plausible.JWisemann said:
the trouble is that an SNP surge does nothing to help a con government into power, it only makes a labour government more likely to be genuinely left wingTheScreamingEagles said:
The 30 or so LD MPs could be critical once again, if the SNP take Scotland's Labour MPs then realistically (so long as Clegg holds his seats) then LDs would likely end up with the Tories again like this time.0 -
Why, yes. Yes she is. With her good friend Leanne and her ally Natalie.Plato said:I haven't paid much attention to the Opposition debate line up - is Ms Sturgeon on that panel as well as Ed?
If so, nasty prospects for SLAB
Allies are better than enemies in politics. It's why the Scottish Government works better than Westminster. It's why FPTP is broken. It's why the UK is a basketcase.0 -
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Yup. Point taken.
Although I think its fair to say Scott can't come up with an original thought of his own.0 -
A lot of unpleasantness from some quarters this evening – did Ed do poorly then?0
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Does anyone have a ratio of seats to vote share? I saw upthread that the Tories chances increase disproportionately once they break 37%+Philip_Thompson said:
It makes a coalition of the losers less likely. Last time if Labour had a few more/Tories less then a Labour+Lib Dem coalition could have been plausible. A Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition is frankly not plausible.JWisemann said:
the trouble is that an SNP surge does nothing to help a con government into power, it only makes a labour government more likely to be genuinely left wingTheScreamingEagles said:
The 30 or so LD MPs could be critical once again, if the SNP take Scotland's Labour MPs then realistically (so long as Clegg holds his seats) then LDs would likely end up with the Tories again like this time.0 -
@nigel4england
'Please remind me once again who is the nasty party?'
IOS tantrum down to Sturgeon pissing in Ed's soup?0 -
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Just don't, first start with a sincenre apology to Scott, for your earlier comments, and we'll consider the matter closed.IOS said:PB Mod
Yup. Point taken.
Although I think its fair to say Scott can't come up with an original thought of his own.0 -
Clegg won, but it is not about winning. Cameron was a wallflower, but PM nevertheless. Miliband was coherent but goofy and geeky. Sturgeon was brilliant, but too earnest. Wood was lyrical, but unconvincing, Bennet was, well, foreign and a tad too nervous. And Farage was prehistoric.
So, the winner was...... Cameron. As (possibly) Clegg- well what might have been!!0 -
SimonStClare said:
A lot of unpleasantness from some quarters this evening – did Ed do poorly then?
PB has spent the last two-and-a-half hours disagreeing about everything. Polling says he'll face a tough test north of the border - which, arguably, we already knew.0 -
The SNP will take 11 Liberal seats.Philip_Thompson said:
It makes a coalition of the losers less likely. Last time if Labour had a few more/Tories less then a Labour+Lib Dem coalition could have been plausible. A Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition is frankly not plausible.JWisemann said:
the trouble is that an SNP surge does nothing to help a con government into power, it only makes a labour government more likely to be genuinely left wingTheScreamingEagles said:
The 30 or so LD MPs could be critical once again, if the SNP take Scotland's Labour MPs then realistically (so long as Clegg holds his seats) then LDs would likely end up with the Tories again like this time.0 -
Thought Ms Greenie was much better than usual - but she's got nothing to lose and appeared much better prepared. Her accent is really peculiar. I always assume she's a pundit not a UK party leader.
And she uses Ms Lucas as a human shield - that she's not an MP just makes it odder.tyson said:Clegg won, but it is not about winning. Cameron was a wallflower, but PM nevertheless. Miliband was coherent but goofy and geeky. Sturgeon was brilliant, but too earnest. Wood was lyrical, but unconvincing, Bennet was, well, foreign and a tad too nervous. And Farage was prehistoric.
So, the winner was...... Cameron. As to Clegg- well what might have been!!0 -
err right and you're Einstein's clone.murali_s said:Scott - the brainless Tory bot...
ROFLMAO
I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you.0 -
Ed won on 3 of 4 polls thoughjohn_zims said:@nigel4england
'Please remind me once again who is the nasty party?'
IOS tantrum down to Sturgeon pissing in Ed's soup?0 -
Cameron was excellent. He took full advantage of the others going after his record to maximise his camera time, and was very prime ministerial in doing so. He was solid in defence, played good offence against Labour and UKIP and sat back and allowed Sturgeon to obliterate any hopes Labour had of turning the polls around in Scotland. Overall a very satisfying night for the blue team. I think The Sun have nailed it with their headline btw: Miliband has blown it, it's over.0
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@MrHarryCole: Winners grin, losers spin. Bar packed with grinning tories and libdems and kippers. No sign of Labour.
Losers also get petulant on Internet blogs (hey look, an original thought!)0 -
First of all, I'm not a Labour or any other chap. Second, what I said is true. Is Scott even a human being? - classic bot like behaviour. It (Scott) adds nothing to the debate. Time for someone to press the off button methinks.JohnO said:
You Labour chaps do seem, well, rather rattled.murali_s said:Scott - the brainless Tory bot...
Can't think why.0 -
'won'. Margin of error, at bestbigjohnowls said:
Ed won on 3 of 4 polls thoughjohn_zims said:@nigel4england
'Please remind me once again who is the nasty party?'
IOS tantrum down to Sturgeon pissing in Ed's soup?
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No but if I did and wanted to emigrate to another country I would more than happy to be told 1. I am not welcome or 2. I need to pay for my own treatment/take out insurance.Pong said:
Do you have HIV?MP_SE said:54% of people diagnosed with HIV are foreign born.
Metropolitan liberals fall over themselves with faux outrage.
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F**k off you right-wing bigot!Alanbrooke said:
err right and you're Einstein's clone.murali_s said:Scott - the brainless Tory bot...
ROFLMAO
I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you.0 -
The best part is Miliband gets to come back and take it again from Sturgeon in another debate.Scott_P said:@MrHarryCole: Winners grin, losers spin. Bar packed with grinning tories and libdems and kippers. No sign of Labour.
Losers also get petulant on Internet blogs (hey look, an original thought!)
I'm sure Labour are looking forward to it already. 0 -
UKIP tweeting details on honesty etc from ComRes and Survation, I reckon that get a bump in the polls0
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MADNESS.
Torquil Crichton is almost being pro-SNP. Never in my life...0 -
Hence why I said 30 or so.Dair said:
The SNP will take 11 Liberal seats.Philip_Thompson said:
It makes a coalition of the losers less likely. Last time if Labour had a few more/Tories less then a Labour+Lib Dem coalition could have been plausible. A Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition is frankly not plausible.JWisemann said:
the trouble is that an SNP surge does nothing to help a con government into power, it only makes a labour government more likely to be genuinely left wingTheScreamingEagles said:
The 30 or so LD MPs could be critical once again, if the SNP take Scotland's Labour MPs then realistically (so long as Clegg holds his seats) then LDs would likely end up with the Tories again like this time.
Honest question: Can you plausibly see a Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition Dair?
In the scenario that there are (say) 300 Con, 260 Lab, 40 SNP and 30 LD then who would take power?
The only plausible government there I can see is Con with LD. Had it been close to 300 Con, 300 Lab then LD could choose, so the rise of the SNP does (indirectly) help the Cons in that sort of scenario.0 -
Oooo, handbags!!murali_s said:
F**k off you right-wing bigot!Alanbrooke said:
err right and you're Einstein's clone.murali_s said:Scott - the brainless Tory bot...
ROFLMAO
I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you.0 -
Go away before you get banned.murali_s said:
F**k off you right-wing bigot!Alanbrooke said:
err right and you're Einstein's clone.murali_s said:Scott - the brainless Tory bot...
ROFLMAO
I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you.
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Ah, another who likes to give it but who can't take it.murali_s said:
F**k off you right-wing bigot!Alanbrooke said:
err right and you're Einstein's clone.murali_s said:Scott - the brainless Tory bot...
ROFLMAO
I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you.0 -
The upside is that he may actually seem to be the most senior politician amongst them.trublue said:
The best part is Miliband gets to come back and take it again from Sturgeon in another debate.Scott_P said:@MrHarryCole: Winners grin, losers spin. Bar packed with grinning tories and libdems and kippers. No sign of Labour.
Losers also get petulant on Internet blogs (hey look, an original thought!) I'm sure Labour are looking forward to it already.0 -
Rattled.murali_s said:
First of all, I'm not a Labour or any other chap. Second, what I said is true. Is Scott even a human being? - classic bot like behaviour. It (Scott) adds nothing to the debate. Time for someone to press the off button methinks.JohnO said:
You Labour chaps do seem, well, rather rattled.murali_s said:Scott - the brainless Tory bot...
Can't think why.
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The freedland tweet saying ed didn't even manage to be the leader of the opposition let alone on in waiting is a telling summary.
Carswell was very pro nige tweeting throughout but I missed his support in the hiv issue? No doubt a kipper fan can prove me he chimed in there too?0 -
I've got to say Plato I thought they all did very well, though Farage looked worse for wear. I would recommend a full round check up, bloods, ECG etc.. for Nigel. He may need to change his lifestyle slightly if he wants to prolong his chances of living on the planet much longer.Plato said:Thought Ms Greenie was much better than usual - but she's got nothing to lose and appeared much better prepared. Her accent is really peculiar. I always assume she's a pundit not a UK party leader.
And she uses Ms Lucas as a human shield - that she's not an MP just makes it odder.tyson said:Clegg won, but it is not about winning. Cameron was a wallflower, but PM nevertheless. Miliband was coherent but goofy and geeky. Sturgeon was brilliant, but too earnest. Wood was lyrical, but unconvincing, Bennet was, well, foreign and a tad too nervous. And Farage was prehistoric.
So, the winner was...... Cameron. As to Clegg- well what might have been!!
Anyway, am I wrong, or are you now based in the USA? I've only come back to comment recently..
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Does Labour win England with this distribution ?SimonStClare said:YouGov voting poll - CON 37%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 12%, GRN 5%.
When was the last time the Tories scored 37% with YG? - seems an awfully long time ago.0 -
Outlier alert!RobD said:
End of 2013, IIRC.SimonStClare said:YouGov voting poll - CON 37%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 12%, GRN 5%.
When was the last time the Tories scored 37% with YG? - seems an awfully long time age.
Yep, 14th October 2013.0 -
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LOL best you can come up with ?murali_s said:
F**k off you right-wing bigot!Alanbrooke said:
err right and you're Einstein's clone.murali_s said:Scott - the brainless Tory bot...
ROFLMAO
I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you.
you must be an anti Irish racist.
you caused the potato famine.0 -
PB Golden RuleSunil_Prasannan said:
Outlier alert!RobD said:
End of 2013, IIRC.SimonStClare said:YouGov voting poll - CON 37%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 12%, GRN 5%.
When was the last time the Tories scored 37% with YG? - seems an awfully long time age.
Yep, 14th October 2013. 0 -
@bigjohnowls
'Ed won on 3 of 4 polls though'
Did you miss the thread header?
Ed probably lost another 5 - 10 Labour MP's in Scotland after Sturgeons performance.0 -
I expect SNP to have more votes than either the Tories or Labour can form a government without. I..e only Labour + SNP or Labour and Tory is a viable arrangement. Not a co-alition in the former case but in terms of governing.Philip_Thompson said:
Hence why I said 30 or so.Dair said:
The SNP will take 11 Liberal seats.Philip_Thompson said:
It makes a coalition of the losers less likely. Last time if Labour had a few more/Tories less then a Labour+Lib Dem coalition could have been plausible. A Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition is frankly not plausible.JWisemann said:
the trouble is that an SNP surge does nothing to help a con government into power, it only makes a labour government more likely to be genuinely left wingTheScreamingEagles said:
The 30 or so LD MPs could be critical once again, if the SNP take Scotland's Labour MPs then realistically (so long as Clegg holds his seats) then LDs would likely end up with the Tories again like this time.
Honest question: Can you plausibly see a Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition Dair?
In the scenario that there are (say) 300 Con, 260 Lab, 40 SNP and 30 LD then who would take power?
The only plausible government there I can see is Con with LD. Had it been close to 300 Con, 300 Lab then LD could choose, so the rise of the SNP does (indirectly) help the Cons in that sort of scenario.
The Liberals will get 20 seats. If they have a solid night. SNP will struggle to get less than 50. Labour only need 275 to govern just on SNP support.0 -
He does look ill. I don't know if he declined makeup but he was looking incredibly pale.tyson said:
I've got to say Plato I thought they all did very well, though Farage looked worse for wear. I would recommend a full round check up, bloods, ECG etc.. for Nigel. He may need to change his lifestyle slightly if he wants to prolong his chances of living on the planet much longer.Plato said:Thought Ms Greenie was much better than usual - but she's got nothing to lose and appeared much better prepared. Her accent is really peculiar. I always assume she's a pundit not a UK party leader.
And she uses Ms Lucas as a human shield - that she's not an MP just makes it odder.tyson said:Clegg won, but it is not about winning. Cameron was a wallflower, but PM nevertheless. Miliband was coherent but goofy and geeky. Sturgeon was brilliant, but too earnest. Wood was lyrical, but unconvincing, Bennet was, well, foreign and a tad too nervous. And Farage was prehistoric.
So, the winner was...... Cameron. As to Clegg- well what might have been!!
Anyway, am I wrong, or are you now based in the USA? I've only come back to comment recently..
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Well, not having been able to watch it live, I have finally caught up (though not had a chance to read the thread), and my major takeaway is...Ed M is a lot taller than I thought he was.0
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Not yet but I'm working on it - you've got a good memory!
And yes, Nigel has that burning the candles at both ends look about him.tyson said:
I've got to say Plato I thought they all did very well, though Farage looked worse for wear. I would recommend a full round check up, bloods, ECG etc.. for Nigel. He may need to change his lifestyle slightly if he wants to prolong his chances of living on the planet much longer.Plato said:Thought Ms Greenie was much better than usual - but she's got nothing to lose and appeared much better prepared. Her accent is really peculiar. I always assume she's a pundit not a UK party leader.
And she uses Ms Lucas as a human shield - that she's not an MP just makes it odder.tyson said:Clegg won, but it is not about winning. Cameron was a wallflower, but PM nevertheless. Miliband was coherent but goofy and geeky. Sturgeon was brilliant, but too earnest. Wood was lyrical, but unconvincing, Bennet was, well, foreign and a tad too nervous. And Farage was prehistoric.
So, the winner was...... Cameron. As to Clegg- well what might have been!!
Anyway, am I wrong, or are you now based in the USA? I've only come back to comment recently..0 -
Certain tetchiness from some posters this evening, it's almost as if they are feeling disappointed about something.0
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This is on a National poll. The SNP got a "6% more likely to vote". Splitting that 50:50 that means half their 45% are more likely, moving them to a certain 45% and 40% of non SNP voters now considering them.bigjohnowls said:
Ed won on 3 of 4 polls thoughjohn_zims said:@nigel4england
'Please remind me once again who is the nasty party?'
IOS tantrum down to Sturgeon pissing in Ed's soup?
That's massive.0 -
Clegg excellent attacks on Miliband seem exponentially more popular on PB comments than in the public as a whole, who'd have thought it?0
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I must say I thought Bennet deserved a boost from tonight. Apart from a rather clunkily delivered opening, I thought she was actually pretty good, and benefited from no-one really targeting her.0
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Unlikely the Tories were up by 4 in the E&W comparison, probably up 6 in England alone. Might higher depending on how well Labour are doing in Wales.surbiton said:
Does Labour win England with this distribution ?SimonStClare said:YouGov voting poll - CON 37%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 12%, GRN 5%.
When was the last time the Tories scored 37% with YG? - seems an awfully long time ago.0 -
If the SNP get 50 then Labour getting 275 would be a huge challenge. That doesn't mean 17 gains by Labour elsewhere, it means close to 50 gains.Dair said:
I expect SNP to have more votes than either the Tories or Labour can form a government without. I..e only Labour + SNP or Labour and Tory is a viable arrangement. Not a co-alition in the former case but in terms of governing.Philip_Thompson said:
Hence why I said 30 or so.Dair said:
The SNP will take 11 Liberal seats.Philip_Thompson said:
It makes a coalition of the losers less likely. Last time if Labour had a few more/Tories less then a Labour+Lib Dem coalition could have been plausible. A Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition is frankly not plausible.JWisemann said:
the trouble is that an SNP surge does nothing to help a con government into power, it only makes a labour government more likely to be genuinely left wingTheScreamingEagles said:
The 30 or so LD MPs could be critical once again, if the SNP take Scotland's Labour MPs then realistically (so long as Clegg holds his seats) then LDs would likely end up with the Tories again like this time.
Honest question: Can you plausibly see a Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition Dair?
In the scenario that there are (say) 300 Con, 260 Lab, 40 SNP and 30 LD then who would take power?
The only plausible government there I can see is Con with LD. Had it been close to 300 Con, 300 Lab then LD could choose, so the rise of the SNP does (indirectly) help the Cons in that sort of scenario.
The Liberals will get 20 seats. If they have a solid night. SNP will struggle to get less than 50. Labour only need 275 to govern just on SNP support.0 -
Who won tonight's debate?
Shadsy
By a country mile...0 -
Who let John Terry into the Spin room? :-)
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It's interesting how we all see things differently. Personally I thought she was worse than useless. Caroline Lucas is a far more effective operator.kle4 said:I must say I thought Bennet deserved a boost from tonight. Apart from a rather clunkily delivered opening, I thought she was actually pretty good, and benefited from no-one really targeting her.
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While I only thought he did ok, I did think he seemed to get a lot more camera time, which gave him more chances to get his message out which is probably a good thing.trublue said:Cameron was excellent. He took full advantage of the others going after his record to maximise his camera time
I thought Ed was on pretty good form though. Some of his delivery felt a bit too rehearsed but then I'm used to seeing him speak and many others are not, and he got in some pretty good lines particularly in the final question.0 -
That's about the most interesting post I've ever seen you write.Scott_P said:ok, here's a handy tip for our slower readers
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Well, that and the Tory Edinburgh surge.
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For Nigel F it wasn't the sweating as such. Nico Rosberg is supremely fit, but sweats terribly. It was that greasy, sweaty sheen that exuded from Nigel F's skin that looked rather quite unhealthy. And his bulging neck fat, some kind of overactive thyroid possibly, but could lead to HBP, and other blood and coronary diseases. He needs a good once over.Plato said:Not yet but I'm working on it - you've got a good memory!
And yes, Nigel has that burning the candles at both ends look about him.tyson said:
I've got to say Plato I thought they all did very well, though Farage looked worse for wear. I would recommend a full round check up, bloods, ECG etc.. for Nigel. He may need to change his lifestyle slightly if he wants to prolong his chances of living on the planet much longer.Plato said:Thought Ms Greenie was much better than usual - but she's got nothing to lose and appeared much better prepared. Her accent is really peculiar. I always assume she's a pundit not a UK party leader.
And she uses Ms Lucas as a human shield - that she's not an MP just makes it odder.tyson said:Clegg won, but it is not about winning. Cameron was a wallflower, but PM nevertheless. Miliband was coherent but goofy and geeky. Sturgeon was brilliant, but too earnest. Wood was lyrical, but unconvincing, Bennet was, well, foreign and a tad too nervous. And Farage was prehistoric.
So, the winner was...... Cameron. As to Clegg- well what might have been!!
Anyway, am I wrong, or are you now based in the USA? I've only come back to comment recently..
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I usually think that, every time I've seen Bennett before I've thought she was awful (and maybe that colours how I saw her tonight, as no-one tore her to pieces with ease), but she was able to be clearly different from the others and she didn't ramble or obfuscate as much, on the face of it, which was fairly refreshing.tlg86 said:
It's interesting how we all see things differently. Personally I thought she was worse than useless. Caroline Lucas is a far more effective operator.kle4 said:I must say I thought Bennet deserved a boost from tonight. Apart from a rather clunkily delivered opening, I thought she was actually pretty good, and benefited from no-one really targeting her.
Farage I thought did middling - very strong on immigration of course, no gaffes, but no big wins either I felt.
After the first few questions I felt like I could summarise Leanne Wood by stating that clearly her favourite word is 'exacerbate', if I drank it could have made a dangerous drinking game. She faded into invisibility at times, not entirely surprising given PCs regional appeal and ambitions, but when she popped up on several questions at least she seemed a solid enough performer, scored some hits on Ed M.0 -
Indeed. Very obvious that LD order of preference will be:Philip_Thompson said:
Hence why I said 30 or so.Dair said:
The SNP will take 11 Liberal seats.Philip_Thompson said:
It makes a coalition of the losers less likely. Last time if Labour had a few more/Tories less then a Labour+Lib Dem coalition could have been plausible. A Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition is frankly not plausible.JWisemann said:
the trouble is that an SNP surge does nothing to help a con government into power, it only makes a labour government more likely to be genuinely left wingTheScreamingEagles said:
The 30 or so LD MPs could be critical once again, if the SNP take Scotland's Labour MPs then realistically (so long as Clegg holds his seats) then LDs would likely end up with the Tories again like this time.
Honest question: Can you plausibly see a Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition Dair?
In the scenario that there are (say) 300 Con, 260 Lab, 40 SNP and 30 LD then who would take power?
The only plausible government there I can see is Con with LD. Had it been close to 300 Con, 300 Lab then LD could choose, so the rise of the SNP does (indirectly) help the Cons in that sort of scenario.
1) Lab + LD
2) Con + LD
3) Lab + LD but reliant on SNP
Absolutely blindingly obvious - no way will they prefer to be reliant on SNP (who will have just smashed 9 or 10 of their MPs) than a steady as she goes continuation of the current coalition.
So SNP gaining Lab seats absolutely does help Cameron.0 -
ICM/Survation/ComRes all have Ed outperforming Wee Jimmy Krankee.john_zims said:@bigjohnowls
'Ed won on 3 of 4 polls though'
Did you miss the thread header?
Ed probably lost another 5 - 10 Labour MP's in Scotland after Sturgeons performance.
Ed first or joint first in all 3.
YG outlier.
Ed is supposed to be Crap yet Dave the master debater only comes out better in one of the four0 -
I want to call Ms Plaid Natalie Wood. I don't know what it is about her - but I just can't get her name right so avoid typing it.kle4 said:
I usually think that, every time I've seen Bennett before I've thought she was awful (and maybe that colours how I saw her tonight, as no-one tore her to pieces with ease), but she was able to be clearly different from the others and she didn't ramble or obfuscate as much, on the face of it, which was fairly refreshing.tlg86 said:
It's interesting how we all see things differently. Personally I thought she was worse than useless. Caroline Lucas is a far more effective operator.kle4 said:I must say I thought Bennet deserved a boost from tonight. Apart from a rather clunkily delivered opening, I thought she was actually pretty good, and benefited from no-one really targeting her.
Farage I thought did middling - very strong on immigration of course, no gaffes, but no big wins either I felt.
After the first few questions I felt like I could summarise Leanne Wood by stating that clearly her favourite word is 'exacerbate', if I drank it could have made a dangerous drinking game. She faded into invisibility at times, not entirely surprising given PCs regional appeal and ambitions, but when she popped up on several questions at least she seemed a solid enough performer, scored some hits on Ed M.0 -
Is the ComRes poll which is on Guido's website a genuine VI poll? It has the Greens on 9, which would be +4 on their last poll.MikeL said:
Indeed. Very obvious that LD order of preference will be:Philip_Thompson said:
Hence why I said 30 or so.Dair said:
The SNP will take 11 Liberal seats.Philip_Thompson said:
It makes a coalition of the losers less likely. Last time if Labour had a few more/Tories less then a Labour+Lib Dem coalition could have been plausible. A Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition is frankly not plausible.JWisemann said:
the trouble is that an SNP surge does nothing to help a con government into power, it only makes a labour government more likely to be genuinely left wingTheScreamingEagles said:
The 30 or so LD MPs could be critical once again, if the SNP take Scotland's Labour MPs then realistically (so long as Clegg holds his seats) then LDs would likely end up with the Tories again like this time.
Honest question: Can you plausibly see a Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition Dair?
In the scenario that there are (say) 300 Con, 260 Lab, 40 SNP and 30 LD then who would take power?
The only plausible government there I can see is Con with LD. Had it been close to 300 Con, 300 Lab then LD could choose, so the rise of the SNP does (indirectly) help the Cons in that sort of scenario.
1) Lab + LD
2) Con + LD
3) Lab + LD but reliant on SNP
Absolutely blindingly obvious - no way will they prefer to be reliant on SNP (who will have just smashed 9 or 10 of their MPs) than a steady as she goes continuation of the current coalition.
So SNP gaining Lab seats absolutely does help Cameron.0 -
Obviously not - given that Lab is ahead of Con in Scotland and Wales.surbiton said:
Does Labour win England with this distribution ?SimonStClare said:YouGov voting poll - CON 37%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 12%, GRN 5%.
When was the last time the Tories scored 37% with YG? - seems an awfully long time ago.0 -
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Titter.. I'm actually watching it now for the first time.nigel4england said:0 -
I really feel sorry for Clegg, truly. He tries so hard, and he can and did make some good points at time, but it just will not matter. One on one with the man I am sure people could forgive everything, he could sway them round, but not enough will stop to listen no matter if he deserves it or not, making the effort pretty wasted (whether one think his effort did well or not).EPG said:Clegg excellent attacks on Miliband seem exponentially more popular on PB comments than in the public as a whole, who'd have thought it?
Sturgeon 'winning' was not a surprise. She's always formidible and for most of the night she reined in that smug, mocking assurance that she adopts in many interviews that annoys me (but not Scots voters, clearly), coming across as reasonable and positive. Alas.
I was surprised on several questions it was Ed trying to be specific on policy points in his openings given the general penchant for vagueness, I think it was a good move but not sure it worked.0 -
So the answer is no winner in tonight's debat. David and Ed did ok, nick was good, nigel blew hot and cold but was okay, Natalie was up on expectations, Leanne was OK and Nicola did as expected. All have something positive to take away
Tactics in arranging them, Tories have a slight lead.0
