These debates were meant to ruin ED according to the PB Tories! LOL
Wait until Cameron gets Ed in the debate they used to say LOL LOL LOL
Who said that? I didn't hear any Tories say that. I think most people thought that Crosby plan was to either get no debates or to have them run out as stalemate.
The idea that Cameron should be happy about Sturgeon doing well is nonsensical. Any seats that go SNP rather than Labour aren't going to help the Tories get in, the SNP has already said they'll vote down a Tory Queen's speech.
Plus Labour was already doing terribly in Scotland, there's only a handful of seats they can still lose there. Whereas in England, anybody wavering who was persuaded to Sturgeon's position would probably have to vote Labour as the next best thing
These debates were meant to ruin ED according to the PB Tories! LOL
Wait until Cameron gets Ed in the debate they used to say LOL LOL LOL
Well alright, but a tie for Ed is still not particularly good since (it now seems) Labour are behind the Tories in the polls and it's them who need to gain ground.
ComRes asked who's "most capable of leading the country" - judging by debate - Cameron 40%, Miliband 28%, Farage 10%, Clegg 4%
Actually feel sorry for Clegg. He sacrificed himself and his party for the good of the country, and this is how he is treated.
He's not making any real claim to lead the country, so that's fine. He just needs people in two dozen constituencies to think better of him than they have for the last few years.
Still we are all winners because we all backed the ties right?
Yup
I saw Farage's tie and couldn't decide if it was purple or not, then I saw clegg, then I saw Cameron and started to freak out a bit but good old Milliband put me at ease.
Higher than at the last General Election with 5 weeks to go. Who would have expected that?
Outside Scotland we're heading for a two-party system as far as seats are concerned and its Lab v Con that matters. Scotland becoming a one-party state.
So a clear winner then? Miliband, Cameron, Sturgeon and Farage
Well Miliband won because he did much better than expected with a tie and a win in 2/3 polls. Cameron won because the SNP will not deflate in scotland. Farage won because he leveled with the 2 big parties. Sturgeon won because the SNP will not lose votes.
But on the margin Cameron is the loser, the SNP was already going to win almost all seats in Scotland and Miliband&Farage leveling with him in the polls is not good for him in England&Wales.
ComRes asked who's "most capable of leading the country" - judging by debate - Cameron 40%, Miliband 28%, Farage 10%, Clegg 4%
Actually feel sorry for Clegg. He sacrificed himself and his party for the good of the country, and this is how he is treated.
Yeah, weirdly his policy of "I'm just going to wait to hear what Labour and the Conservatives say then aim roughly for the middle" isn't winning hearts and minds.
These debates were meant to ruin ED according to the PB Tories! LOL
Wait until Cameron gets Ed in the debate they used to say LOL LOL LOL
LOL - I said Cameron should do all he could to avoid the debates. Even stupid feckers know that debates are BAD for the incumbent leader.
You don't even make the grade as a stupid fecker.
I disagree with this logic (and as a Tory was disappointed the head to head didn't happen).
I know my view isn't the universal view but I think Cameron could have done very well against Miliband - and has a lot of practice from PMQ's. Incumbent President Obama did well against Romney in the head to heads last time, so I fail to see why it universally has to be negative for the incumbent.
Really didn't see that at all. Farage looked sweaty and knackered and just knocked out his usual spiel. The HIV thing was rightly taken down by Wood. I thought it was a big opportunity for Farage but he refused to get out of his comfort blanket.
I don't believe for a moment that you or any of us influence anyone. I am just lolling at the fact that PB had said Ed would get killed in the debates for 4 years.
Higher than at the last General Election with 5 weeks to go. Who would have expected that?
Outside Scotland we're heading for a two-party system as far as seats are concerned and its Lab v Con that matters. Scotland becoming a one-party state.
With respect, that's mince. If oyu are thinking of Holyrood, Labour fiddled the Holyrood voting system to make that impossible (ironically, given they invented the one party state in Scotland). FFS, even the Tories have more MSPs than pandas, or elephants for that matter. Probably capybaras for all I know. And Westminster is all one glorious union together.
So a clear winner then? Miliband, Cameron, Sturgeon and Farage
Well Miliband won because he did much better than expected with a tie and a win in 2/3 polls. Cameron won because the SNP will not deflate in scotland. Farage won because he leveled with the 2 big parties. Sturgeon won because the SNP will not lose votes.
But on the margin Cameron is the loser, the SNP was already going to win almost all seats in Scotland and Miliband&Farage leveling with him in the polls is not good for him in England&Wales.
Cameron still ahead on best PM 40-28 vs Ed with his weakest poll (ICM online) I don't think they will be too worried with the leftist parties all stripping lumps out of Ed and Nicola shoring up her Scottish vote and getting her point across "vote for me to keep Ed in line".
Looking at the snap results the conclusion is its all bollocks and thank god its done.
On the other hand in this part of the world there are some potentially interesting constituency betting markets where the challengers are at odds too long.
Overall my view at this point is the Tories will be north of 34-35% on polling day, Labour south of 34% but the combinations when it comes Scotland and the marginals make it mind boggling.
My point exactly. TSE claiming Farage is trying to appeal to BNP/Britain First voters when they are a tiny percentage of potential voters. Far better to go after the working class vote who on social issues are more conservative.
These debates were meant to ruin ED according to the PB Tories! LOL
Wait until Cameron gets Ed in the debate they used to say LOL LOL LOL
LOL - I said Cameron should do all he could to avoid the debates. Even stupid feckers know that debates are BAD for the incumbent leader.
You don't even make the grade as a stupid fecker.
I disagree with this logic (and as a Tory was disappointed the head to head didn't happen).
I know my view isn't the universal view but I think Cameron could have done very well against Miliband - and has a lot of practice from PMQ's. Incumbent President Obama did well against Romney in the head to heads last time, so I fail to see why it universally has to be negative for the incumbent.
Just to clarify - I wanted him to avoid the Cameron, Miliband, Clegg and Farage debate. I couldn't see any benefit for him in that line-up.
What a steaming pile of manure. The LIb Dems reputation was destroyed by a signed pledge.
Big deal, how many times did Labour con us over 13 years? Saying one thing and doing the other is in Labour's blood.
The Lib Dems have done a lot of good in five years, and proven to be competent and willing to make coalitions work even when it has been politically costly. They deserve more credit than the Tories for the achievements of the government. I wouldn't vote for them, but if you want a left wing party the Lib Dems are the best and only reasonable option.
Besides that in a coalition or minority government you will never be able to keep all your promises, as we may soon see when Ed's dancing to the SNP's tune.
I don't believe for a moment that you or any of us influence anyone. I am just lolling at the fact that PB had said Ed would get killed in the debates for 4 years.
Higher than at the last General Election with 5 weeks to go. Who would have expected that?
Outside Scotland we're heading for a two-party system as far as seats are concerned and its Lab v Con that matters. Scotland becoming a one-party state.
With respect, that's mince. If oyu are thinking of Holyrood, Labour fiddled the Holyrood voting system to make that impossible (ironically, given they invented the one party state in Scotland). FFS, even the Tories have more MSPs than pandas, or elephants for that matter. Probably capybaras for all I know. And Westminster is all one glorious union together.
We're talking about a Westminster General Election, of course I'm not thinking PR Holyrood but of Scotland in the election that is happening now!
Meaningless stats and it's easy to see why the media want the debates
In that profile has Ed got a broken nose? Does Cameron's grey make him distinguished? Is it bad that Farage looks a short house between Clegg and Miliband?
These are the real debate issues. Who won on the ties?
The pollsters being over the place sort of vindicates Cameron's strategy for these debates: put in so many leaders, that no conclusive narrative can be formed any which way.
Indeed, you can already see - because a seven-way is a free-for-all - that the media narrative is 'this just shows that the days of two-party politics are over' and nothing more.
Nobody won. And by nobody, I mean Lynton Crosby. His strategy was to nullify the debates except insofar as giving Labour rivals to the left a platform. Job broadly done. The two flies in the ointment are that Farage played strongly to his core and that won't help squeeze in the marginals, while Bennett was simply poor. Clegg did what he could - defended his record and will comfort waverers in 30 odd seats that matter.
ComRes asked who's "most capable of leading the country" - judging by debate - Cameron 40%, Miliband 28%, Farage 10%, Clegg 4%
Actually feel sorry for Clegg. He sacrificed himself and his party for the good of the country, and this is how he is treated.
I have a huge amount of respect for Nick Clegg.
The personal vitriol he's faced says a lot more about the people who voted for the Lib Dems in 2010 than it does about him.
I agree with this 100%.
As a Kipper I fundamentally disagree with his politics but as you say he sacrificed himself for the country, and I appreciate him much more than most Lib Dems do.
He was by far the best performer tonight, his attack on Ed was brilliant.
Higher than at the last General Election with 5 weeks to go. Who would have expected that?
Outside Scotland we're heading for a two-party system as far as seats are concerned and its Lab v Con that matters. Scotland becoming a one-party state.
With respect, that's mince. If oyu are thinking of Holyrood, Labour fiddled the Holyrood voting system to make that impossible (ironically, given they invented the one party state in Scotland). FFS, even the Tories have more MSPs than pandas, or elephants for that matter. Probably capybaras for all I know. And Westminster is all one glorious union together.
We're talking about a Westminster General Election, of course I'm not thinking PR Holyrood but of Scotland in the election that is happening now!
Oh yes, metaphorically speaking. Not that it will act as one of course. But good point re E&W. And good night.
Apart from Sturgeon winning, the finishing orders were pretty predictable.
Sturgeon winning was predictable since there's such a huge untapped anti-austerity market out there. If only Ed had had the sense to seize it.
Miliband can't go anti-austerity because he and his party are locked into the Quid Pro Quo of directorships when MPs retire and placement into positions with well paid city jobs. He's tied into the UK National Ponzi Scheme as hard as Cameron. He does what the moneymen tell him regardless of it's impact on voters.
The first line trenches of 37 have been captured after an unprecedented 3 day barrage , will it resist the inevitable counter attacks? Can the reserve redoubt of 38 be reached with this assault?
ComRes asked who's "most capable of leading the country" - judging by debate - Cameron 40%, Miliband 28%, Farage 10%, Clegg 4%
Actually feel sorry for Clegg. He sacrificed himself and his party for the good of the country, and this is how he is treated.
I have a huge amount of respect for Nick Clegg.
The personal vitriol he's faced says a lot more about the people who voted for the Lib Dems in 2010 than it does about him.
I agree with this 100%.
As a Kipper I fundamentally disagree with his politics but as you say he sacrificed himself for the country, and I appreciate him much more than most Lib Dems do.
He was by far the best performer tonight, his attack on Ed was brilliant.
Mr Clegg always gives me the impression he's lying.
I thought Mr Farage, Mr Cameron and Ms Sturgeon came across as the grown ups in that group.
Getting Ed to go into a room next week with the other four opposition leaders and no Dave/Nick is going to be a horrible experience for him. He will be defending New Labour's record and every time that came up he did terribly.
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Actually feel sorry for Clegg. He sacrificed himself and his party for the good of the country, and this is how he is treated.
Wait until Cameron gets Ed in the debate they used to say LOL LOL LOL
Will make very little difference though.
Plus Labour was already doing terribly in Scotland, there's only a handful of seats they can still lose there. Whereas in England, anybody wavering who was persuaded to Sturgeon's position would probably have to vote Labour as the next best thing
I'd never though it before but Jack is right, Ed will never be Prime Minister, thank God
Spaces after full stops, please, or people will start confusing you with roserees and volcanopete.
You don't even make the grade as a stupid fecker.
Outside Scotland we're heading for a two-party system as far as seats are concerned and its Lab v Con that matters. Scotland becoming a one-party state.
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/583742269037137920
Cameron won because the SNP will not deflate in scotland.
Farage won because he leveled with the 2 big parties.
Sturgeon won because the SNP will not lose votes.
But on the margin Cameron is the loser, the SNP was already going to win almost all seats in Scotland and Miliband&Farage leveling with him in the polls is not good for him in England&Wales.
https://www.politicshome.com/party-politics/articles/story/live-leaders-election-debate
Any news on who the heckler was?
I know my view isn't the universal view but I think Cameron could have done very well against Miliband - and has a lot of practice from PMQ's. Incumbent President Obama did well against Romney in the head to heads last time, so I fail to see why it universally has to be negative for the incumbent.
What were Corals thinking? Thanks for the tip whoever posted it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/
The personal vitriol he's faced says a lot more about the people who voted for the Lib Dems in 2010 than it does about him.
I don't believe for a moment that you or any of us influence anyone. I am just lolling at the fact that PB had said Ed would get killed in the debates for 4 years.
Polishes finger nails.... actually the bleedin' obvious for anyone with half a brain who lives west of Offa's dike.
The risk for the Conservatives, now, is that UKIP upticks a few points of the back of this debate at their expense. And stays there.
On the other hand in this part of the world there are some potentially interesting constituency betting markets where the challengers are at odds too long.
Overall my view at this point is the Tories will be north of 34-35% on polling day, Labour south of 34% but the combinations when it comes Scotland and the marginals make it mind boggling.
The incumbent always wins best president. Means nada.
InfoL.Wood Settled @ 0
Ties WINNER
Clegg vs Farage WINNER
Sturgeon WINNER
And my Betting advice "Whatever you do don't sell Sturgeon on the SPIN" Definitely good advice
The Lib Dems have done a lot of good in five years, and proven to be competent and willing to make coalitions work even when it has been politically costly. They deserve more credit than the Tories for the achievements of the government. I wouldn't vote for them, but if you want a left wing party the Lib Dems are the best and only reasonable option.
Besides that in a coalition or minority government you will never be able to keep all your promises, as we may soon see when Ed's dancing to the SNP's tune.
- Even between Cameron and Miliband
- Very good for Sturgeon - and good for SNP is bad for Labour.
In that profile has Ed got a broken nose?
Does Cameron's grey make him distinguished?
Is it bad that Farage looks a short house between Clegg and Miliband?
These are the real debate issues.
Who won on the ties?
Ok that is trolling, How many personal attacks on Miliband on this site? And yet if I point out PB get it wrong I am desperate! ;-)
Go to bed, son, and mum will tuck you in.
Cameron is not as good in them and Miliband not as bad in them as people expected.
As a Kipper I fundamentally disagree with his politics but as you say he sacrificed himself for the country, and I appreciate him much more than most Lib Dems do.
He was by far the best performer tonight, his attack on Ed was brilliant.
https://twitter.com/Andrew_ComRes/status/583745161945047040
?SNP third in England if they put up candidates
Edit: and the debate is only the second most important politics story of the day.
37%.
The End.
I thought Mr Farage, Mr Cameron and Ms Sturgeon came across as the grown ups in that group.
PB TORIES
ALWAYS RIGHT
Miliband flops as outsiders shine
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Getting Ed to go into a room next week with the other four opposition leaders and no Dave/Nick is going to be a horrible experience for him. He will be defending New Labour's record and every time that came up he did terribly.