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  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Labour being slaughtered again over the SNP.

    It's happening all over Northern England on QT.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Just checked my Betfair Sportsbook account and I have been paid out on my 'heckler to be removed from the audience' bet at 7/1.


    Woohoo!!!!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223

    Just checked my Betfair Sportsbook account and I have been paid out on my 'heckler to be removed from the audience' bet at 7/1.


    Woohoo!!!!

    Fantastic, congratulations!
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    RobD said:

    That's a four way MoE tie, surely? Is it right to say no one won with a convincing lead?
    In just what way does ''best''differ from plain old best?
    And just what were the respondents criteria and how did they weight them?
    Or is this too technical for such an important issue
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    Dair said:

    RobD said:

    Dair said:

    BBC highlights are very heavy on Sturgeon. Not surprising as its BBC National and trying to be impartial instea of Labour run BBC Scotland.

    So the SNP were only proposing to take control of BBC Scotland's political output?
    No they want BBC Scotland devolved, so they can strip out the Labour Party placepeople and make it an impartial broadcaster.
    You mean a SNP supporting one don't you.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043

    IOS said:

    Scott

    Cameron is as likely to keep hold of number 10 as you were your wife.

    Vile and for the second time. Where's a moderator, surely this deserves a ban?
    Yeah, not cricket.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    MP_SE said:

    54% of people diagnosed with HIV are foreign born.

    Metropolitan liberals fall over themselves with faux outrage.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/401662/2014_PHE_HIV_annual_report_draft_Final_07-01-2015.pdf

    Do you have HIV?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @patrick_kidd: I wonder if Miliband is now regretting agreeing to the opposition debate. Sturgeon looks like the leader of the opposition
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,981
    Izzy.

    "Are you giving the Stompie Moeketsi Room a makeover?"

    Yes but It's now the Margaret Thatcher wing.

    We Tories have to stick together
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Ah, I need not have worried...

    @MSmithsonPB: If Farage's debate performance gives UKIP a lift that could hurt the Tories

    Dave can't win...
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    RobD said:

    YouGov voting poll - CON 37%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 12%, GRN 5%.


    When was the last time the Tories scored 37% with YG? - seems an awfully long time age.

    End of 2013, IIRC. Yep, 14th October 2013.

    Many thanks RobD

    A bit of a mixed bag wrt the rest of tonight's polls, although Sturgeon will be quite pleased.
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Scott

    At least Mike gives his own opinions. Rather than just copying others...
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    How did it go down in Scotland?

    :InnocentFace
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @alstewitn: .@agendaitv @FraserNelson #GE2015 '@Ed_Miliband could have won it tonight; he didn't. @David_Cameron didn't take any punches'.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    Ishmael_X said:

    IOS said:

    Scott

    Cameron is as likely to keep hold of number 10 as you were your wife.

    You don't come across as a terribly nice sort of person, you know.
    And he works for Labour. What's that about the nasty party.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited April 2015
    Saltire said:

    Dair said:

    RobD said:

    Dair said:

    BBC highlights are very heavy on Sturgeon. Not surprising as its BBC National and trying to be impartial instea of Labour run BBC Scotland.

    So the SNP were only proposing to take control of BBC Scotland's political output?
    No they want BBC Scotland devolved, so they can strip out the Labour Party placepeople and make it an impartial broadcaster.
    You mean a SNP supporting one don't you.

    Not really. They kept on Eilidh Angelini after all. The SNP are not Dogmatic. They will intentionally remove Labour placepeople, that's the biggest part of Labour's problem in Scotland - they use Scotland as their own fiefdom to promote and place their relatives and party people into public sector jobs.

    The SNP have avoided that so far, hopefully always will. But good people will keep their jobs. Only a good, effective, non-dogmatic public sector will make people happy enough to vote Yes.
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    the trouble is that an SNP surge does nothing to help a con government into power, it only makes a labour government more likely to be genuinely left wing

  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Off to bed safe in the knowledge that brent crude dropped 5% today and if Northern voters stick with Labour then they are hosepiping their money to Scotland
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043
    Plato said:

    Where are the mods? This is really offensive.

    IOS said:

    Scott

    Cameron is as likely to keep hold of number 10 as you were your wife.

    Maybe if I say something about, say, Coulson, and then "innocent face".. I can summon them? ;)
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    Pretty funny though given Scott p has zilch to add to the conversation being a CCHQ drone.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I haven't paid much attention to the Opposition debate line up - is Ms Sturgeon on that panel as well as Ed?

    If so, nasty prospects for SLAB
    Scott_P said:

    @patrick_kidd: I wonder if Miliband is now regretting agreeing to the opposition debate. Sturgeon looks like the leader of the opposition

  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    IOS said:

    Scott

    Cameron is as likely to keep hold of number 10 as you were your wife.

    Vile and for the second time. Where's a moderator, surely this deserves a ban?
    You call in vain. The moderator has already chosen to let the vileness stand.
    My comment about how disgusting these attacks are was, ironically, moderated.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Plato said:

    Where are the mods? This is really offensive.

    it is really offensive, but it's also not true, which is why I let it pass.

    He seems happier in his fantasy World.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    Plato said:

    I haven't paid much attention to the Opposition debate line up - is Ms Sturgeon on that panel as well as Ed?

    If so, nasty prospects for SLAB

    Scott_P said:

    @patrick_kidd: I wonder if Miliband is now regretting agreeing to the opposition debate. Sturgeon looks like the leader of the opposition

    Yes, it's the same againg minus Cameron and Clegg.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    Scott - the brainless Tory bot...
  • PBModeratorPBModerator Posts: 665
    edited April 2015
    Everyone and especially you IoS

    Comments about other posters' personal life are off limits.

    If you fail to adhere to this, well we'll just make sure your comments automatically go to the pending folder, and have to be manually released as and when the Moderating team can be bothered to.

    IoS can you confirm that you understand this.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @jonwalker121: Parties will argue about meaning of Comres post-debate poll (pic) - I think it looks best for Cameron #leadersdebate http://t.co/4tifRYcUAl
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    So no Cleggers? Oh, I didn't know that. Even uglier.
    tlg86 said:

    Plato said:

    I haven't paid much attention to the Opposition debate line up - is Ms Sturgeon on that panel as well as Ed?

    If so, nasty prospects for SLAB

    Scott_P said:

    @patrick_kidd: I wonder if Miliband is now regretting agreeing to the opposition debate. Sturgeon looks like the leader of the opposition

    Yes, it's the same againg minus Cameron and Clegg.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    JWisemann said:

    the trouble is that an SNP surge does nothing to help a con government into power, it only makes a labour government more likely to be genuinely left wing

    It makes a coalition of the losers less likely. Last time if Labour had a few more/Tories less then a Labour+Lib Dem coalition could have been plausible. A Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition is frankly not plausible.

    The 30 or so LD MPs could be critical once again, if the SNP take Scotland's Labour MPs then realistically (so long as Clegg holds his seats) then LDs would likely end up with the Tories again like this time.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    IOS said:

    Scott

    At least Mike gives his own opinions. Rather than just copying others...

    Care to point to anywhere in the last two threads where you have put forward any cogent argument about any subject?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Plato said:

    I haven't paid much attention to the Opposition debate line up - is Ms Sturgeon on that panel as well as Ed?

    If so, nasty prospects for SLAB

    Why, yes. Yes she is. With her good friend Leanne and her ally Natalie.

    Allies are better than enemies in politics. It's why the Scottish Government works better than Westminster. It's why FPTP is broken. It's why the UK is a basketcase.
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    edited April 2015
    PB Mod

    Yup. Point taken.

    Although I think its fair to say Scott can't come up with an original thought of his own.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    murali_s said:

    Scott - the brainless Tory bot...

    You Labour chaps do seem, well, rather rattled.

    Can't think why.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    A lot of unpleasantness from some quarters this evening – did Ed do poorly then?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Does anyone have a ratio of seats to vote share? I saw upthread that the Tories chances increase disproportionately once they break 37%+

    JWisemann said:

    the trouble is that an SNP surge does nothing to help a con government into power, it only makes a labour government more likely to be genuinely left wing

    It makes a coalition of the losers less likely. Last time if Labour had a few more/Tories less then a Labour+Lib Dem coalition could have been plausible. A Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition is frankly not plausible.

    The 30 or so LD MPs could be critical once again, if the SNP take Scotland's Labour MPs then realistically (so long as Clegg holds his seats) then LDs would likely end up with the Tories again like this time.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @nigel4england

    'Please remind me once again who is the nasty party?'

    IOS tantrum down to Sturgeon pissing in Ed's soup?
  • JohnO said:

    murali_s said:

    Scott - the brainless Tory bot...

    You Labour chaps do seem, well, rather rattled.

    Can't think why.
    Thought of another 5 years of spamming against the blues in power?
  • PBModeratorPBModerator Posts: 665
    IOS said:

    PB Mod

    Yup. Point taken.

    Although I think its fair to say Scott can't come up with an original thought of his own.

    Just don't, first start with a sincenre apology to Scott, for your earlier comments, and we'll consider the matter closed.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    edited April 2015
    Clegg won, but it is not about winning. Cameron was a wallflower, but PM nevertheless. Miliband was coherent but goofy and geeky. Sturgeon was brilliant, but too earnest. Wood was lyrical, but unconvincing, Bennet was, well, foreign and a tad too nervous. And Farage was prehistoric.

    So, the winner was...... Cameron. As (possibly) Clegg- well what might have been!!
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323

    A lot of unpleasantness from some quarters this evening – did Ed do poorly then?


    PB has spent the last two-and-a-half hours disagreeing about everything. Polling says he'll face a tough test north of the border - which, arguably, we already knew.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    JWisemann said:

    the trouble is that an SNP surge does nothing to help a con government into power, it only makes a labour government more likely to be genuinely left wing

    It makes a coalition of the losers less likely. Last time if Labour had a few more/Tories less then a Labour+Lib Dem coalition could have been plausible. A Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition is frankly not plausible.

    The 30 or so LD MPs could be critical once again, if the SNP take Scotland's Labour MPs then realistically (so long as Clegg holds his seats) then LDs would likely end up with the Tories again like this time.
    The SNP will take 11 Liberal seats.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043
    IOS said:

    PB Mod

    Yup. Point taken.

    Although I think its fair to say Scott can't come up with an original thought of his own.

    That would have been a dignified end to it, but then you had to edit in that sentence at the end.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Thought Ms Greenie was much better than usual - but she's got nothing to lose and appeared much better prepared. Her accent is really peculiar. I always assume she's a pundit not a UK party leader.

    And she uses Ms Lucas as a human shield - that she's not an MP just makes it odder.
    tyson said:

    Clegg won, but it is not about winning. Cameron was a wallflower, but PM nevertheless. Miliband was coherent but goofy and geeky. Sturgeon was brilliant, but too earnest. Wood was lyrical, but unconvincing, Bennet was, well, foreign and a tad too nervous. And Farage was prehistoric.

    So, the winner was...... Cameron. As to Clegg- well what might have been!!

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516
    murali_s said:

    Scott - the brainless Tory bot...

    err right and you're Einstein's clone.

    ROFLMAO

    I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    john_zims said:

    @nigel4england

    'Please remind me once again who is the nasty party?'

    IOS tantrum down to Sturgeon pissing in Ed's soup?

    Ed won on 3 of 4 polls though
  • trubluetrublue Posts: 103
    Cameron was excellent. He took full advantage of the others going after his record to maximise his camera time, and was very prime ministerial in doing so. He was solid in defence, played good offence against Labour and UKIP and sat back and allowed Sturgeon to obliterate any hopes Labour had of turning the polls around in Scotland. Overall a very satisfying night for the blue team. I think The Sun have nailed it with their headline btw: Miliband has blown it, it's over.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: Winners grin, losers spin. Bar packed with grinning tories and libdems and kippers. No sign of Labour.

    Losers also get petulant on Internet blogs (hey look, an original thought!)
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    JohnO said:

    murali_s said:

    Scott - the brainless Tory bot...

    You Labour chaps do seem, well, rather rattled.

    Can't think why.
    First of all, I'm not a Labour or any other chap. Second, what I said is true. Is Scott even a human being? - classic bot like behaviour. It (Scott) adds nothing to the debate. Time for someone to press the off button methinks.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043

    john_zims said:

    @nigel4england

    'Please remind me once again who is the nasty party?'

    IOS tantrum down to Sturgeon pissing in Ed's soup?

    Ed won on 3 of 4 polls though
    'won'. Margin of error, at best ;)
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Pong said:

    MP_SE said:

    54% of people diagnosed with HIV are foreign born.

    Metropolitan liberals fall over themselves with faux outrage.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/401662/2014_PHE_HIV_annual_report_draft_Final_07-01-2015.pdf

    Do you have HIV?
    No but if I did and wanted to emigrate to another country I would more than happy to be told 1. I am not welcome or 2. I need to pay for my own treatment/take out insurance.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067

    murali_s said:

    Scott - the brainless Tory bot...

    err right and you're Einstein's clone.

    ROFLMAO

    I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you.
    F**k off you right-wing bigot!
  • trubluetrublue Posts: 103
    Scott_P said:

    @MrHarryCole: Winners grin, losers spin. Bar packed with grinning tories and libdems and kippers. No sign of Labour.

    Losers also get petulant on Internet blogs (hey look, an original thought!)

    The best part is Miliband gets to come back and take it again from Sturgeon in another debate. :) I'm sure Labour are looking forward to it already.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    UKIP tweeting details on honesty etc from ComRes and Survation, I reckon that get a bump in the polls
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    MADNESS.

    Torquil Crichton is almost being pro-SNP. Never in my life...
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Dair said:

    JWisemann said:

    the trouble is that an SNP surge does nothing to help a con government into power, it only makes a labour government more likely to be genuinely left wing

    It makes a coalition of the losers less likely. Last time if Labour had a few more/Tories less then a Labour+Lib Dem coalition could have been plausible. A Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition is frankly not plausible.

    The 30 or so LD MPs could be critical once again, if the SNP take Scotland's Labour MPs then realistically (so long as Clegg holds his seats) then LDs would likely end up with the Tories again like this time.
    The SNP will take 11 Liberal seats.
    Hence why I said 30 or so.

    Honest question: Can you plausibly see a Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition Dair?

    In the scenario that there are (say) 300 Con, 260 Lab, 40 SNP and 30 LD then who would take power?

    The only plausible government there I can see is Con with LD. Had it been close to 300 Con, 300 Lab then LD could choose, so the rise of the SNP does (indirectly) help the Cons in that sort of scenario.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043
    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    Scott - the brainless Tory bot...

    err right and you're Einstein's clone.

    ROFLMAO

    I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you.
    F**k off you right-wing bigot!
    Oooo, handbags!!
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    Scott - the brainless Tory bot...

    err right and you're Einstein's clone.

    ROFLMAO

    I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you.
    F**k off you right-wing bigot!
    Go away before you get banned.

  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    Scott - the brainless Tory bot...

    err right and you're Einstein's clone.

    ROFLMAO

    I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you.
    F**k off you right-wing bigot!
    Ah, another who likes to give it but who can't take it.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043
    trublue said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MrHarryCole: Winners grin, losers spin. Bar packed with grinning tories and libdems and kippers. No sign of Labour.

    Losers also get petulant on Internet blogs (hey look, an original thought!)

    The best part is Miliband gets to come back and take it again from Sturgeon in another debate. :) I'm sure Labour are looking forward to it already.
    The upside is that he may actually seem to be the most senior politician amongst them.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    murali_s said:

    JohnO said:

    murali_s said:

    Scott - the brainless Tory bot...

    You Labour chaps do seem, well, rather rattled.

    Can't think why.
    First of all, I'm not a Labour or any other chap. Second, what I said is true. Is Scott even a human being? - classic bot like behaviour. It (Scott) adds nothing to the debate. Time for someone to press the off button methinks.
    Rattled.
  • The freedland tweet saying ed didn't even manage to be the leader of the opposition let alone on in waiting is a telling summary.

    Carswell was very pro nige tweeting throughout but I missed his support in the hiv issue? No doubt a kipper fan can prove me he chimed in there too?
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    Plato said:

    Thought Ms Greenie was much better than usual - but she's got nothing to lose and appeared much better prepared. Her accent is really peculiar. I always assume she's a pundit not a UK party leader.

    And she uses Ms Lucas as a human shield - that she's not an MP just makes it odder.

    tyson said:

    Clegg won, but it is not about winning. Cameron was a wallflower, but PM nevertheless. Miliband was coherent but goofy and geeky. Sturgeon was brilliant, but too earnest. Wood was lyrical, but unconvincing, Bennet was, well, foreign and a tad too nervous. And Farage was prehistoric.

    So, the winner was...... Cameron. As to Clegg- well what might have been!!

    I've got to say Plato I thought they all did very well, though Farage looked worse for wear. I would recommend a full round check up, bloods, ECG etc.. for Nigel. He may need to change his lifestyle slightly if he wants to prolong his chances of living on the planet much longer.

    Anyway, am I wrong, or are you now based in the USA? I've only come back to comment recently..
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    YouGov voting poll - CON 37%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 12%, GRN 5%.


    When was the last time the Tories scored 37% with YG? - seems an awfully long time ago.

    Does Labour win England with this distribution ?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135
    RobD said:

    YouGov voting poll - CON 37%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 12%, GRN 5%.


    When was the last time the Tories scored 37% with YG? - seems an awfully long time age.

    End of 2013, IIRC.

    Yep, 14th October 2013.
    Outlier alert!
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Scott

    Quoting a Guido hack hardly counts as an original thought.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    ok, here's a handy tip for our slower readers

    If you look at the top of each post, you will see the name of the poster (or bot) that is writing that post.

    If you see a name you don't like, skip to the next one..

    You can practise with this post if you like. Have fun!
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516
    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    Scott - the brainless Tory bot...

    err right and you're Einstein's clone.

    ROFLMAO

    I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you.
    F**k off you right-wing bigot!
    LOL best you can come up with ?

    you must be an anti Irish racist.

    you caused the potato famine.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043

    RobD said:

    YouGov voting poll - CON 37%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 12%, GRN 5%.


    When was the last time the Tories scored 37% with YG? - seems an awfully long time age.

    End of 2013, IIRC.

    Yep, 14th October 2013.
    Outlier alert!
    PB Golden Rule ;)
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @bigjohnowls

    'Ed won on 3 of 4 polls though'

    Did you miss the thread header?

    Ed probably lost another 5 - 10 Labour MP's in Scotland after Sturgeons performance.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Dair said:

    JWisemann said:

    the trouble is that an SNP surge does nothing to help a con government into power, it only makes a labour government more likely to be genuinely left wing

    It makes a coalition of the losers less likely. Last time if Labour had a few more/Tories less then a Labour+Lib Dem coalition could have been plausible. A Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition is frankly not plausible.

    The 30 or so LD MPs could be critical once again, if the SNP take Scotland's Labour MPs then realistically (so long as Clegg holds his seats) then LDs would likely end up with the Tories again like this time.
    The SNP will take 11 Liberal seats.
    Hence why I said 30 or so.

    Honest question: Can you plausibly see a Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition Dair?

    In the scenario that there are (say) 300 Con, 260 Lab, 40 SNP and 30 LD then who would take power?

    The only plausible government there I can see is Con with LD. Had it been close to 300 Con, 300 Lab then LD could choose, so the rise of the SNP does (indirectly) help the Cons in that sort of scenario.
    I expect SNP to have more votes than either the Tories or Labour can form a government without. I..e only Labour + SNP or Labour and Tory is a viable arrangement. Not a co-alition in the former case but in terms of governing.

    The Liberals will get 20 seats. If they have a solid night. SNP will struggle to get less than 50. Labour only need 275 to govern just on SNP support.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    tyson said:

    Plato said:

    Thought Ms Greenie was much better than usual - but she's got nothing to lose and appeared much better prepared. Her accent is really peculiar. I always assume she's a pundit not a UK party leader.

    And she uses Ms Lucas as a human shield - that she's not an MP just makes it odder.

    tyson said:

    Clegg won, but it is not about winning. Cameron was a wallflower, but PM nevertheless. Miliband was coherent but goofy and geeky. Sturgeon was brilliant, but too earnest. Wood was lyrical, but unconvincing, Bennet was, well, foreign and a tad too nervous. And Farage was prehistoric.

    So, the winner was...... Cameron. As to Clegg- well what might have been!!

    I've got to say Plato I thought they all did very well, though Farage looked worse for wear. I would recommend a full round check up, bloods, ECG etc.. for Nigel. He may need to change his lifestyle slightly if he wants to prolong his chances of living on the planet much longer.

    Anyway, am I wrong, or are you now based in the USA? I've only come back to comment recently..
    He does look ill. I don't know if he declined makeup but he was looking incredibly pale.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,590
    Well, not having been able to watch it live, I have finally caught up (though not had a chance to read the thread), and my major takeaway is...Ed M is a lot taller than I thought he was.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Not yet but I'm working on it - you've got a good memory!

    And yes, Nigel has that burning the candles at both ends look about him.
    tyson said:

    Plato said:

    Thought Ms Greenie was much better than usual - but she's got nothing to lose and appeared much better prepared. Her accent is really peculiar. I always assume she's a pundit not a UK party leader.

    And she uses Ms Lucas as a human shield - that she's not an MP just makes it odder.

    tyson said:

    Clegg won, but it is not about winning. Cameron was a wallflower, but PM nevertheless. Miliband was coherent but goofy and geeky. Sturgeon was brilliant, but too earnest. Wood was lyrical, but unconvincing, Bennet was, well, foreign and a tad too nervous. And Farage was prehistoric.

    So, the winner was...... Cameron. As to Clegg- well what might have been!!

    I've got to say Plato I thought they all did very well, though Farage looked worse for wear. I would recommend a full round check up, bloods, ECG etc.. for Nigel. He may need to change his lifestyle slightly if he wants to prolong his chances of living on the planet much longer.

    Anyway, am I wrong, or are you now based in the USA? I've only come back to comment recently..
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Certain tetchiness from some posters this evening, it's almost as if they are feeling disappointed about something.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    john_zims said:

    @nigel4england

    'Please remind me once again who is the nasty party?'

    IOS tantrum down to Sturgeon pissing in Ed's soup?

    Ed won on 3 of 4 polls though
    This is on a National poll. The SNP got a "6% more likely to vote". Splitting that 50:50 that means half their 45% are more likely, moving them to a certain 45% and 40% of non SNP voters now considering them.

    That's massive.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653
    Clegg excellent attacks on Miliband seem exponentially more popular on PB comments than in the public as a whole, who'd have thought it?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,590
    edited April 2015
    I must say I thought Bennet deserved a boost from tonight. Apart from a rather clunkily delivered opening, I thought she was actually pretty good, and benefited from no-one really targeting her.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    surbiton said:

    YouGov voting poll - CON 37%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 12%, GRN 5%.


    When was the last time the Tories scored 37% with YG? - seems an awfully long time ago.

    Does Labour win England with this distribution ?
    Unlikely the Tories were up by 4 in the E&W comparison, probably up 6 in England alone. Might higher depending on how well Labour are doing in Wales.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    JWisemann said:

    the trouble is that an SNP surge does nothing to help a con government into power, it only makes a labour government more likely to be genuinely left wing

    It makes a coalition of the losers less likely. Last time if Labour had a few more/Tories less then a Labour+Lib Dem coalition could have been plausible. A Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition is frankly not plausible.

    The 30 or so LD MPs could be critical once again, if the SNP take Scotland's Labour MPs then realistically (so long as Clegg holds his seats) then LDs would likely end up with the Tories again like this time.
    The SNP will take 11 Liberal seats.
    Hence why I said 30 or so.

    Honest question: Can you plausibly see a Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition Dair?

    In the scenario that there are (say) 300 Con, 260 Lab, 40 SNP and 30 LD then who would take power?

    The only plausible government there I can see is Con with LD. Had it been close to 300 Con, 300 Lab then LD could choose, so the rise of the SNP does (indirectly) help the Cons in that sort of scenario.
    I expect SNP to have more votes than either the Tories or Labour can form a government without. I..e only Labour + SNP or Labour and Tory is a viable arrangement. Not a co-alition in the former case but in terms of governing.

    The Liberals will get 20 seats. If they have a solid night. SNP will struggle to get less than 50. Labour only need 275 to govern just on SNP support.
    If the SNP get 50 then Labour getting 275 would be a huge challenge. That doesn't mean 17 gains by Labour elsewhere, it means close to 50 gains.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Who won tonight's debate?

    Shadsy

    By a country mile...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited April 2015
    Who let John Terry into the Spin room? :-)

    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/583752044177186817/photo/1
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    kle4 said:

    I must say I thought Bennet deserved a boost from tonight. Apart from a rather clunkily delivered opening, I thought she was actually pretty good, and benefited from no-one really targeting her.

    It's interesting how we all see things differently. Personally I thought she was worse than useless. Caroline Lucas is a far more effective operator.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,590
    trublue said:

    Cameron was excellent. He took full advantage of the others going after his record to maximise his camera time

    While I only thought he did ok, I did think he seemed to get a lot more camera time, which gave him more chances to get his message out which is probably a good thing.

    I thought Ed was on pretty good form though. Some of his delivery felt a bit too rehearsed but then I'm used to seeing him speak and many others are not, and he got in some pretty good lines particularly in the final question.
  • Scott_P said:

    ok, here's a handy tip for our slower readers

    If you look at the top of each post, you will see the name of the poster (or bot) that is writing that post.

    If you see a name you don't like, skip to the next one..

    You can practise with this post if you like. Have fun!

    That's about the most interesting post I've ever seen you write.
    Well, that and the Tory Edinburgh surge.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    IOS said:

    Scott

    Quoting a Guido hack hardly counts as an original thought.

    Constant droning on about another posters lack of originality, probably isn't the best way to demonstrate your own. We know he gets under your skin, you can shut up now.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    Plato said:

    Not yet but I'm working on it - you've got a good memory!

    And yes, Nigel has that burning the candles at both ends look about him.

    tyson said:

    Plato said:

    Thought Ms Greenie was much better than usual - but she's got nothing to lose and appeared much better prepared. Her accent is really peculiar. I always assume she's a pundit not a UK party leader.

    And she uses Ms Lucas as a human shield - that she's not an MP just makes it odder.

    tyson said:

    Clegg won, but it is not about winning. Cameron was a wallflower, but PM nevertheless. Miliband was coherent but goofy and geeky. Sturgeon was brilliant, but too earnest. Wood was lyrical, but unconvincing, Bennet was, well, foreign and a tad too nervous. And Farage was prehistoric.

    So, the winner was...... Cameron. As to Clegg- well what might have been!!

    I've got to say Plato I thought they all did very well, though Farage looked worse for wear. I would recommend a full round check up, bloods, ECG etc.. for Nigel. He may need to change his lifestyle slightly if he wants to prolong his chances of living on the planet much longer.

    Anyway, am I wrong, or are you now based in the USA? I've only come back to comment recently..
    For Nigel F it wasn't the sweating as such. Nico Rosberg is supremely fit, but sweats terribly. It was that greasy, sweaty sheen that exuded from Nigel F's skin that looked rather quite unhealthy. And his bulging neck fat, some kind of overactive thyroid possibly, but could lead to HBP, and other blood and coronary diseases. He needs a good once over.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,590
    tlg86 said:

    kle4 said:

    I must say I thought Bennet deserved a boost from tonight. Apart from a rather clunkily delivered opening, I thought she was actually pretty good, and benefited from no-one really targeting her.

    It's interesting how we all see things differently. Personally I thought she was worse than useless. Caroline Lucas is a far more effective operator.
    I usually think that, every time I've seen Bennett before I've thought she was awful (and maybe that colours how I saw her tonight, as no-one tore her to pieces with ease), but she was able to be clearly different from the others and she didn't ramble or obfuscate as much, on the face of it, which was fairly refreshing.

    Farage I thought did middling - very strong on immigration of course, no gaffes, but no big wins either I felt.

    After the first few questions I felt like I could summarise Leanne Wood by stating that clearly her favourite word is 'exacerbate', if I drank it could have made a dangerous drinking game. She faded into invisibility at times, not entirely surprising given PCs regional appeal and ambitions, but when she popped up on several questions at least she seemed a solid enough performer, scored some hits on Ed M.
  • pinball13pinball13 Posts: 83
    I missed the debate, can I see it online anywhere?
    @Pong thanks for the tie tip!
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723

    Dair said:

    JWisemann said:

    the trouble is that an SNP surge does nothing to help a con government into power, it only makes a labour government more likely to be genuinely left wing

    It makes a coalition of the losers less likely. Last time if Labour had a few more/Tories less then a Labour+Lib Dem coalition could have been plausible. A Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition is frankly not plausible.

    The 30 or so LD MPs could be critical once again, if the SNP take Scotland's Labour MPs then realistically (so long as Clegg holds his seats) then LDs would likely end up with the Tories again like this time.
    The SNP will take 11 Liberal seats.
    Hence why I said 30 or so.

    Honest question: Can you plausibly see a Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition Dair?

    In the scenario that there are (say) 300 Con, 260 Lab, 40 SNP and 30 LD then who would take power?

    The only plausible government there I can see is Con with LD. Had it been close to 300 Con, 300 Lab then LD could choose, so the rise of the SNP does (indirectly) help the Cons in that sort of scenario.
    Indeed. Very obvious that LD order of preference will be:

    1) Lab + LD
    2) Con + LD
    3) Lab + LD but reliant on SNP

    Absolutely blindingly obvious - no way will they prefer to be reliant on SNP (who will have just smashed 9 or 10 of their MPs) than a steady as she goes continuation of the current coalition.

    So SNP gaining Lab seats absolutely does help Cameron.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    john_zims said:

    @bigjohnowls

    'Ed won on 3 of 4 polls though'

    Did you miss the thread header?

    Ed probably lost another 5 - 10 Labour MP's in Scotland after Sturgeons performance.

    ICM/Survation/ComRes all have Ed outperforming Wee Jimmy Krankee.

    Ed first or joint first in all 3.

    YG outlier.

    Ed is supposed to be Crap yet Dave the master debater only comes out better in one of the four
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I want to call Ms Plaid Natalie Wood. I don't know what it is about her - but I just can't get her name right so avoid typing it.
    kle4 said:

    tlg86 said:

    kle4 said:

    I must say I thought Bennet deserved a boost from tonight. Apart from a rather clunkily delivered opening, I thought she was actually pretty good, and benefited from no-one really targeting her.

    It's interesting how we all see things differently. Personally I thought she was worse than useless. Caroline Lucas is a far more effective operator.
    I usually think that, every time I've seen Bennett before I've thought she was awful (and maybe that colours how I saw her tonight, as no-one tore her to pieces with ease), but she was able to be clearly different from the others and she didn't ramble or obfuscate as much, on the face of it, which was fairly refreshing.

    Farage I thought did middling - very strong on immigration of course, no gaffes, but no big wins either I felt.

    After the first few questions I felt like I could summarise Leanne Wood by stating that clearly her favourite word is 'exacerbate', if I drank it could have made a dangerous drinking game. She faded into invisibility at times, not entirely surprising given PCs regional appeal and ambitions, but when she popped up on several questions at least she seemed a solid enough performer, scored some hits on Ed M.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043
    MikeL said:

    Dair said:

    JWisemann said:

    the trouble is that an SNP surge does nothing to help a con government into power, it only makes a labour government more likely to be genuinely left wing

    It makes a coalition of the losers less likely. Last time if Labour had a few more/Tories less then a Labour+Lib Dem coalition could have been plausible. A Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition is frankly not plausible.

    The 30 or so LD MPs could be critical once again, if the SNP take Scotland's Labour MPs then realistically (so long as Clegg holds his seats) then LDs would likely end up with the Tories again like this time.
    The SNP will take 11 Liberal seats.
    Hence why I said 30 or so.

    Honest question: Can you plausibly see a Labour+SNP+Lib Dem coalition Dair?

    In the scenario that there are (say) 300 Con, 260 Lab, 40 SNP and 30 LD then who would take power?

    The only plausible government there I can see is Con with LD. Had it been close to 300 Con, 300 Lab then LD could choose, so the rise of the SNP does (indirectly) help the Cons in that sort of scenario.
    Indeed. Very obvious that LD order of preference will be:

    1) Lab + LD
    2) Con + LD
    3) Lab + LD but reliant on SNP

    Absolutely blindingly obvious - no way will they prefer to be reliant on SNP (who will have just smashed 9 or 10 of their MPs) than a steady as she goes continuation of the current coalition.

    So SNP gaining Lab seats absolutely does help Cameron.
    Is the ComRes poll which is on Guido's website a genuine VI poll? It has the Greens on 9, which would be +4 on their last poll.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    surbiton said:

    YouGov voting poll - CON 37%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 12%, GRN 5%.


    When was the last time the Tories scored 37% with YG? - seems an awfully long time ago.

    Does Labour win England with this distribution ?
    Obviously not - given that Lab is ahead of Con in Scotland and Wales.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043
    pinball13 said:

    I missed the debate, can I see it online anywhere?
    @Pong thanks for the tie tip!

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc6YH4-IHME
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    pinball13 said:

    I missed the debate, can I see it online anywhere?
    @Pong thanks for the tie tip!

    pinball13 said:

    I missed the debate, can I see it online anywhere?
    @Pong thanks for the tie tip!

    www.cureforinsomnia.co.uk
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043

    pinball13 said:

    I missed the debate, can I see it online anywhere?
    @Pong thanks for the tie tip!

    pinball13 said:

    I missed the debate, can I see it online anywhere?
    @Pong thanks for the tie tip!

    www.cureforinsomnia.co.uk
    Titter.. I'm actually watching it now for the first time.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,590
    EPG said:

    Clegg excellent attacks on Miliband seem exponentially more popular on PB comments than in the public as a whole, who'd have thought it?

    I really feel sorry for Clegg, truly. He tries so hard, and he can and did make some good points at time, but it just will not matter. One on one with the man I am sure people could forgive everything, he could sway them round, but not enough will stop to listen no matter if he deserves it or not, making the effort pretty wasted (whether one think his effort did well or not).

    Sturgeon 'winning' was not a surprise. She's always formidible and for most of the night she reined in that smug, mocking assurance that she adopts in many interviews that annoys me (but not Scots voters, clearly), coming across as reasonable and positive. Alas.

    I was surprised on several questions it was Ed trying to be specific on policy points in his openings given the general penchant for vagueness, I think it was a good move but not sure it worked.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    So the answer is no winner in tonight's debat. David and Ed did ok, nick was good, nigel blew hot and cold but was okay, Natalie was up on expectations, Leanne was OK and Nicola did as expected. All have something positive to take away


    Tactics in arranging them, Tories have a slight lead.
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