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  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,100

    Whooo.

    For those PBers like me who love American politics and history, there's a new Netflix series on the Revolution - exec producer Tom Hanks and all star cast of interviewees and so on:


    https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/81930567

    Related - PBS have a series called 'The American Experience' that covers a lot of interesting odds and ends of US life, politics, etc.

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/

    Ymmv finding playable copies.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,242
    '64% of Britons would support a law where employers cannot require workers to work if the temperature of the working environment is above 30C'

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2070171606652010698?s=20
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,174

    Why do people care about likes and flags?

    On Reddit, if someone starts complaining about such, everyone just downvotes them.

    Last year it was to show support for burning asylum seekers.

    This year it is to show support for an England team that is the epitome of multi-culturalism.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,817
    You need planning permission to install aircon in the U.K. ?

    https://x.com/nonregemesse/status/2070243190892867957?s=61
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,956
    Taz said:

    You need planning permission to install aircon in the U.K. ?

    https://x.com/nonregemesse/status/2070243190892867957?s=61

    It’s permitted development if you follow some simple rules. Like not putting the external unit half way up the front of the house.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,817

    Why do people care about likes and flags?

    On Reddit, if someone starts complaining about such, everyone just downvotes them.

    Last year it was to show support for burning asylum seekers.

    This year it is to show support for an England team that is the epitome of multi-culturalism.
    It just doesn’t have the same aura or level of interest previous ones have had I’m finding here. Few pubs doing stuff, because of the times I’m guessing, and the supermarkets have little too.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,100
    HYUFD said:

    'Keir Starmer serves popcorn to customers at Odeon Milton Keynes'

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2070180261170475447?s=20

    Are his handlers and media people just taking the piss now?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,174
    Taz said:

    Why do people care about likes and flags?

    On Reddit, if someone starts complaining about such, everyone just downvotes them.

    Last year it was to show support for burning asylum seekers.

    This year it is to show support for an England team that is the epitome of multi-culturalism.
    It just doesn’t have the same aura or level of interest previous ones have had I’m finding here. Few pubs doing stuff, because of the times I’m guessing, and the supermarkets have little too.
    Is this for the asylum seeker burning or the football? Both seem a little less popular round here this summer.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,817

    Taz said:

    Why do people care about likes and flags?

    On Reddit, if someone starts complaining about such, everyone just downvotes them.

    Last year it was to show support for burning asylum seekers.

    This year it is to show support for an England team that is the epitome of multi-culturalism.
    It just doesn’t have the same aura or level of interest previous ones have had I’m finding here. Few pubs doing stuff, because of the times I’m guessing, and the supermarkets have little too.
    Is this for the asylum seeker burning or the football? Both seem a little less popular round here this summer.
    Soccer.

    The other pastime I’ve never had interest in.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,039
    HYUFD said:

    'Keir Starmer serves popcorn to customers at Odeon Milton Keynes'

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2070180261170475447?s=20

    Perhaps he knows what chaos is about to descend. There's lots of Labour MPs and they all expect different things from Our Andy.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,174
    edited 8:46PM
    HYUFD said:

    '64% of Britons would support a law where employers cannot require workers to work if the temperature of the working environment is above 30C'

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2070171606652010698?s=20

    Would that mean the end of the fire brigade?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,284
    HYUFD said:

    '64% of Britons would support a law where employers cannot require workers to work if the temperature of the working environment is above 30C'

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2070171606652010698?s=20

    Lazy b@5tards!

    I might be turning right wing in my old age but this is an absurdity. Back at Tanks and Drums in Bradford complaining about the heat would get one escorted out of the factory.

    It was a very matter of fact kind of a place. At a Management meeting the MD, a heavy set bluff Yorkshireman from Queensbury, explained; "salesmen? If it were up to me I wouldn't pay you bastards in washers".
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,945
    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Keir Starmer serves popcorn to customers at Odeon Milton Keynes'

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2070180261170475447?s=20

    Are his handlers and media people just taking the piss now?
    He needs to bolster his CV.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,069
    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Keir Starmer serves popcorn to customers at Odeon Milton Keynes'

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2070180261170475447?s=20

    Are his handlers and media people just taking the piss now?
    That's next week. When he's a toilet cleaner. In women's toilets

    :)
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,945

    HYUFD said:

    '64% of Britons would support a law where employers cannot require workers to work if the temperature of the working environment is above 30C'

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2070171606652010698?s=20

    Would that mean the end of the fire brigade?
    They can still fight fires, just in perfectly air-conditioned environments.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,817

    HYUFD said:

    '64% of Britons would support a law where employers cannot require workers to work if the temperature of the working environment is above 30C'

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2070171606652010698?s=20

    Lazy b@5tards!

    I might be turning right wing in my old age but this is an absurdity. Back at Tanks and Drums in Bradford complaining about the heat would get one escorted out of the factory.

    It was a very matter of fact kind of a place. At a Management meeting the MD, a heavy set bluff Yorkshireman from Queensbury, explained; "salesmen? If it were up to me I wouldn't pay you bastards in washers".
    Imagine working in a foundry or a trade moulder in the middle of summer with that sort of law !!

  • Taz said:

    You need planning permission to install aircon in the U.K. ?

    https://x.com/nonregemesse/status/2070243190892867957?s=61

    Funny when I said about how stupid planning rules are here you said I was stupid
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,954
    edited 9:05PM
    Taz said:

    You need planning permission to install aircon in the U.K. ?

    https://x.com/nonregemesse/status/2070243190892867957?s=61

    Nope. Permitted development. You used to.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,817

    Taz said:

    You need planning permission to install aircon in the U.K. ?

    https://x.com/nonregemesse/status/2070243190892867957?s=61

    Funny when I said about how stupid planning rules are here you said I was stupid
    It’s a question. Answered by Malmesbury.

    I’m also unsure if, even if it’s a permitted development, you’d need covenant consent.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,634
    edited 9:12PM
    Do you guys remember when the current US administration was in favor of free speech?

    Two people — Savanna Batten and Elizabeth Soto — weren’t involved in planning the protest, arrived separately from the others, and left when guards told them to, before the shooting. They were each sentenced to 50 years in prison. Among other accusations, the government declared they “were part of a group that created and distributed insurrectionary materials called ‘zines.’” Daniel Sanchez-Estrada, who didn’t attend the protest at all, was sentenced to 30 years in prison for moving a box of zines — an act prosecutors claimed was “corruptly concealing a document or record.” Ines Soto, Elizabeth Soto’s husband, was granted a continuance and will be sentenced on July 1st, according to the Department of Justice. (So will seven others who pleaded guilty to one count of providing material support to terrorists, some of whom testified as witnesses in the trial.) The other sentences handed down suggest that his will be similarly harsh.

    https://www.theverge.com/policy/956404/prairieland-sentencing-zines-trump-antifa
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,226
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    '64% of Britons would support a law where employers cannot require workers to work if the temperature of the working environment is above 30C'

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2070171606652010698?s=20

    Lazy b@5tards!

    I might be turning right wing in my old age but this is an absurdity. Back at Tanks and Drums in Bradford complaining about the heat would get one escorted out of the factory.

    It was a very matter of fact kind of a place. At a Management meeting the MD, a heavy set bluff Yorkshireman from Queensbury, explained; "salesmen? If it were up to me I wouldn't pay you bastards in washers".
    Imagine working in a foundry or a trade moulder in the middle of summer with that sort of law !!

    Or working all day in PPE with an FP3 mask.

    The issue is more subtle. The problem is not so much temperature, as temprature combined with humidity. The same temperatures that we have had today would be fine with a humidity like that in Phoenix or Marrakesh. It is 72% humidity today here.

  • Taz said:

    Taz said:

    You need planning permission to install aircon in the U.K. ?

    https://x.com/nonregemesse/status/2070243190892867957?s=61

    Funny when I said about how stupid planning rules are here you said I was stupid
    It’s a question. Answered by Malmesbury.

    I’m also unsure if, even if it’s a permitted development, you’d need covenant consent.
    Utter gibberish
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,634

    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Shabana Mahmood to sack immigration minister for ‘unauthorised remarks’

    In a piece for The Times, Mike Tapp called for foreign care workers to be exempt from reforms, but the home secretary was unaware he had written the article


    Mike Tapp, the immigration minister, is expected to be sacked after he wrote an unauthorised article calling for foreign care workers to be exempt from her hardline immigration reforms.

    In an article for The Times, Tapp said it was his “strong belief” that migrant care workers should not have to wait longer to apply for permanent settlement.

    Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, was unaware he had written the article and he is expected to be sacked from his job as minister for migration and citizenship for breaching the ministerial code.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/shabana-mahmood-mike-tapp-immigration-minister-sacking-h6m0cb3tp

    He's a minister - what on earth was he thinking?

    Oh well he won't be a minister in the next few years..
    “Care worker” visas were the first to be abused - and to farcical levels.

    Several care home companies, apparently, imported multiple hundred percent of their staff size. Without their staff size increasing.

    When the current government cut them off, a delegation went to No. 10 to try and apply pressure. They were told that perhaps they could fill their staff shortages from the large numbers of people they’d given visas to, who weren’t working in the care sector.

    There has been continual pressure to restart the scheme, of course.
    Give them all ILR then those wiping arses won’t be doing it for long so they probably will need to open up the Visas again !
    I know things are tight, but could we just pay £16 an hour instead of £13 an hour and have no visas? See also prison guard visas. And TfL station assistants. And so on.
    Well yes, of course.

    And this is something I swing back on forth on. On the one hand, why do we want to be importing low skilled labour?

    On the other, take Singapore, they have lots of low skilled immigration, because they've done a really good job of upskilling the locals. Isn't that a model we should be replicating?
    You have claimed this before but as has been pointed out many times it is not really true.

    Singapore has 2 distinct migration pathways.

    High skilled - can lead to permanent residence. Comparable rights and responsibilities to British migration.

    Unskilled - no path to permanent residence. Forbidden from bringing dependents. Forbidden from marrying Singaporeans.

    Is that the path you want us to take?
    We've discussed this to death, and there is no easy or definitive answer. Singapore -like the Gulf States- makes it very easy to get a working visa with no path to permanent residence or citizenship. Singapore is slightly easier, because you can enroll in classes there to 'uprate' your skills - and lots of people do; Singapore has a fabulous education system. But unless you get yourself educated you will not be staying. That doesn't seem like that stupid a strategy.

    (For what it's worth, that's not that dissimilar to the historic systems in Switzerland and Germany.)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,634

    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Shabana Mahmood to sack immigration minister for ‘unauthorised remarks’

    In a piece for The Times, Mike Tapp called for foreign care workers to be exempt from reforms, but the home secretary was unaware he had written the article


    Mike Tapp, the immigration minister, is expected to be sacked after he wrote an unauthorised article calling for foreign care workers to be exempt from her hardline immigration reforms.

    In an article for The Times, Tapp said it was his “strong belief” that migrant care workers should not have to wait longer to apply for permanent settlement.

    Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, was unaware he had written the article and he is expected to be sacked from his job as minister for migration and citizenship for breaching the ministerial code.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/shabana-mahmood-mike-tapp-immigration-minister-sacking-h6m0cb3tp

    He's a minister - what on earth was he thinking?

    Oh well he won't be a minister in the next few years..
    “Care worker” visas were the first to be abused - and to farcical levels.

    Several care home companies, apparently, imported multiple hundred percent of their staff size. Without their staff size increasing.

    When the current government cut them off, a delegation went to No. 10 to try and apply pressure. They were told that perhaps they could fill their staff shortages from the large numbers of people they’d given visas to, who weren’t working in the care sector.

    There has been continual pressure to restart the scheme, of course.
    Give them all ILR then those wiping arses won’t be doing it for long so they probably will need to open up the Visas again !
    I know things are tight, but could we just pay £16 an hour instead of £13 an hour and have no visas? See also prison guard visas. And TfL station assistants. And so on.
    Well yes, of course.

    And this is something I swing back on forth on. On the one hand, why do we want to be importing low skilled labour?

    On the other, take Singapore, they have lots of low skilled immigration, because they've done a really good job of upskilling the locals. Isn't that a model we should be replicating?
    How many NEETS, disability claimants and general layabouts does Singapore have in its population ?

    The UK has welfarised its locals, not upskilled them.
    Indeed; the UK's tax, education and benefits systems seem almost designed to damage the long-term employability of the natives.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,817

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    You need planning permission to install aircon in the U.K. ?

    https://x.com/nonregemesse/status/2070243190892867957?s=61

    Funny when I said about how stupid planning rules are here you said I was stupid
    It’s a question. Answered by Malmesbury.

    I’m also unsure if, even if it’s a permitted development, you’d need covenant consent.
    Utter gibberish

    Covenant consent is where, even if you are the freeholder, you have to ask for permission if you have restrictive covenants on your property. I own the freehold on my house but there are restrictive covenants. Height of fences etc etc.

    My wife had to do so when she put a porch on her house, it was a permitted development but still needed covenant consent.

    She did obtain it, from Yuill.

    However it can be a problem selling homes and there is specialised insurance where people haven’t got it as neighbours can complain and it fall foul of that.

    https://www.geplegal.co.uk/restrictive-covenant-indemnity-insurance/
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,817
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    '64% of Britons would support a law where employers cannot require workers to work if the temperature of the working environment is above 30C'

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2070171606652010698?s=20

    Lazy b@5tards!

    I might be turning right wing in my old age but this is an absurdity. Back at Tanks and Drums in Bradford complaining about the heat would get one escorted out of the factory.

    It was a very matter of fact kind of a place. At a Management meeting the MD, a heavy set bluff Yorkshireman from Queensbury, explained; "salesmen? If it were up to me I wouldn't pay you bastards in washers".
    Imagine working in a foundry or a trade moulder in the middle of summer with that sort of law !!

    Or working all day in PPE with an FP3 mask.

    The issue is more subtle. The problem is not so much temperature, as temprature combined with humidity. The same temperatures that we have had today would be fine with a humidity like that in Phoenix or Marrakesh. It is 72% humidity today here.

    Yeah, I’m just back from Kos and it feels far more oppressive here than it was there.

  • TazTaz Posts: 28,817
    I feel a bubble is about to burst.

    “ BREAKING: OpenAI is now "leaning toward" pushing its IPO until 2027, per NYT.

    Details include:

    1. "Choppy" markets in recent weeks have led OpenAI to reconsider the timeline of the IPO

    2. The company is worried it may not find much enthusiasm from retail investors

    3. Advisors are recommending OpenAI either wait until 2027 to IPO at $1 trillion or lower the valuation for a quicker IPO

    Recent volatility in tech stocks has raised concerns around OpenAI's IPO.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2070248030234706379?s=61
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,231
    rcs1000 said:

    Do you guys remember when the current US administration was in favor of free speech?

    Two people — Savanna Batten and Elizabeth Soto — weren’t involved in planning the protest, arrived separately from the others, and left when guards told them to, before the shooting. They were each sentenced to 50 years in prison. Among other accusations, the government declared they “were part of a group that created and distributed insurrectionary materials called ‘zines.’” Daniel Sanchez-Estrada, who didn’t attend the protest at all, was sentenced to 30 years in prison for moving a box of zines — an act prosecutors claimed was “corruptly concealing a document or record.” Ines Soto, Elizabeth Soto’s husband, was granted a continuance and will be sentenced on July 1st, according to the Department of Justice. (So will seven others who pleaded guilty to one count of providing material support to terrorists, some of whom testified as witnesses in the trial.) The other sentences handed down suggest that his will be similarly harsh.

    https://www.theverge.com/policy/956404/prairieland-sentencing-zines-trump-antifa

    While the Jan 6th crew get pardons.
    Two tier Trump.

    The sentencing is grotesque.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,421
    Taz said:

    I feel a bubble is about to burst.

    “ BREAKING: OpenAI is now "leaning toward" pushing its IPO until 2027, per NYT.

    Details include:

    1. "Choppy" markets in recent weeks have led OpenAI to reconsider the timeline of the IPO

    2. The company is worried it may not find much enthusiasm from retail investors

    3. Advisors are recommending OpenAI either wait until 2027 to IPO at $1 trillion or lower the valuation for a quicker IPO

    Recent volatility in tech stocks has raised concerns around OpenAI's IPO.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2070248030234706379?s=61

    If it's about to burst, they're not going to wait, I wouldn't think.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,817
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Do you guys remember when the current US administration was in favor of free speech?

    Two people — Savanna Batten and Elizabeth Soto — weren’t involved in planning the protest, arrived separately from the others, and left when guards told them to, before the shooting. They were each sentenced to 50 years in prison. Among other accusations, the government declared they “were part of a group that created and distributed insurrectionary materials called ‘zines.’” Daniel Sanchez-Estrada, who didn’t attend the protest at all, was sentenced to 30 years in prison for moving a box of zines — an act prosecutors claimed was “corruptly concealing a document or record.” Ines Soto, Elizabeth Soto’s husband, was granted a continuance and will be sentenced on July 1st, according to the Department of Justice. (So will seven others who pleaded guilty to one count of providing material support to terrorists, some of whom testified as witnesses in the trial.) The other sentences handed down suggest that his will be similarly harsh.

    https://www.theverge.com/policy/956404/prairieland-sentencing-zines-trump-antifa

    While the Jan 6th crew get pardons.
    Two tier Trump.

    The sentencing is grotesque.
    I agree.

    It’s obscene

    I don’t disagree with the principle that some of these people to to jail. Especially the guy who fired the gun. But this seems little more than using the judicial system to enact retribution.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,817
    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    I feel a bubble is about to burst.

    “ BREAKING: OpenAI is now "leaning toward" pushing its IPO until 2027, per NYT.

    Details include:

    1. "Choppy" markets in recent weeks have led OpenAI to reconsider the timeline of the IPO

    2. The company is worried it may not find much enthusiasm from retail investors

    3. Advisors are recommending OpenAI either wait until 2027 to IPO at $1 trillion or lower the valuation for a quicker IPO

    Recent volatility in tech stocks has raised concerns around OpenAI's IPO.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2070248030234706379?s=61

    If it's about to burst, they're not going to wait, I wouldn't think.
    I think this won’t happen. It’s been kicked back and unless there’s a major improvement in sentiment it will be like the Dr Who Xmas Special, quietly then publicly dropped.

    I also think, due to the slump in SpaceX and today’s commentary from JP Morgan that makes it less attractive to go now,
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,284
    ...
    rcs1000 said:

    Do you guys remember when the current US administration was in favor of free speech?

    Two people — Savanna Batten and Elizabeth Soto — weren’t involved in planning the protest, arrived separately from the others, and left when guards told them to, before the shooting. They were each sentenced to 50 years in prison. Among other accusations, the government declared they “were part of a group that created and distributed insurrectionary materials called ‘zines.’” Daniel Sanchez-Estrada, who didn’t attend the protest at all, was sentenced to 30 years in prison for moving a box of zines — an act prosecutors claimed was “corruptly concealing a document or record.” Ines Soto, Elizabeth Soto’s husband, was granted a continuance and will be sentenced on July 1st, according to the Department of Justice. (So will seven others who pleaded guilty to one count of providing material support to terrorists, some of whom testified as witnesses in the trial.) The other sentences handed down suggest that his will be similarly harsh.

    https://www.theverge.com/policy/956404/prairieland-sentencing-zines-trump-antifa

    Yet sedition and treason would appear to be OK under certain circumstances, particularly if one was a losing Presidential candidate

    Apparently, as of last week Todd Blanche can personally put them in general population in the most dangerous Federal penitentiary in the US. He can do the same to any convicted Democrat or convicted in a Trump court, Trump critic.

    I hate to say this but I think you might be living in a version of the Soviet Union.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,222
    Taz said:

    You need planning permission to install aircon in the U.K. ?

    https://x.com/nonregemesse/status/2070243190892867957?s=61

    Nope - but it's a planning officer who is simply doing what they've been told and won't be aware that Air conditioning systems have been permitted Development since April 2025...

    Heck if you look on the thread in Reddit it takes a long time before someone actually found the correct details.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,817
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    You need planning permission to install aircon in the U.K. ?

    https://x.com/nonregemesse/status/2070243190892867957?s=61

    Nope - but it's a planning officer who is simply doing what they've been told and won't be aware that Air conditioning systems have been permitted Development since April 2025...

    Heck if you look on the thread in Reddit it takes a long time before someone actually found the correct details.
    That seems to be an issue with Reddit !!
  • eekeek Posts: 34,222
    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    I feel a bubble is about to burst.

    “ BREAKING: OpenAI is now "leaning toward" pushing its IPO until 2027, per NYT.

    Details include:

    1. "Choppy" markets in recent weeks have led OpenAI to reconsider the timeline of the IPO

    2. The company is worried it may not find much enthusiasm from retail investors

    3. Advisors are recommending OpenAI either wait until 2027 to IPO at $1 trillion or lower the valuation for a quicker IPO

    Recent volatility in tech stocks has raised concerns around OpenAI's IPO.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2070248030234706379?s=61

    If it's about to burst, they're not going to wait, I wouldn't think.
    I think this won’t happen. It’s been kicked back and unless there’s a major improvement in sentiment it will be like the Dr Who Xmas Special, quietly then publicly dropped.

    I also think, due to the slump in SpaceX and today’s commentary from JP Morgan that makes it less attractive to go now,
    Elon Musk grabbed all the available money - there isn't the available cash for OpenAI to go public..

    Problem is OpenAI finances are scarily bad and it doesn't seem possible that they can grow sales enough to offset their loses..
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,226

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    Do you guys remember when the current US administration was in favor of free speech?

    Two people — Savanna Batten and Elizabeth Soto — weren’t involved in planning the protest, arrived separately from the others, and left when guards told them to, before the shooting. They were each sentenced to 50 years in prison. Among other accusations, the government declared they “were part of a group that created and distributed insurrectionary materials called ‘zines.’” Daniel Sanchez-Estrada, who didn’t attend the protest at all, was sentenced to 30 years in prison for moving a box of zines — an act prosecutors claimed was “corruptly concealing a document or record.” Ines Soto, Elizabeth Soto’s husband, was granted a continuance and will be sentenced on July 1st, according to the Department of Justice. (So will seven others who pleaded guilty to one count of providing material support to terrorists, some of whom testified as witnesses in the trial.) The other sentences handed down suggest that his will be similarly harsh.

    https://www.theverge.com/policy/956404/prairieland-sentencing-zines-trump-antifa

    Yet sedition and treason would appear to be OK under certain circumstances, particularly if one was a losing Presidential candidate

    Apparently, as of last week Todd Blanche can personally put them in general population in the most dangerous Federal penitentiary in the US. He can do the same to any convicted Democrat or convicted in a Trump court, Trump critic.

    I hate to say this but I think you might be living in a version of the Soviet Union.
    JD Vance: "I think Nixon's historical legacy is enjoying a bit of a renaissance, and deservedly so. I joked that if Watergate happened tomorrow, it would be like a 12 hours news story. The idea that it took down a presidency is crazy."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mp5ddlp3322x

    And you know that Vance is right. Watergate would not even be a one day wonder in this administration.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,284
    edited 9:38PM
    Wow!

    Deserved too.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,143
    Germany really do hate Scotland.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,226

    Germany really do hate Scotland.

    Scotland hanging on by its fingernails now.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,139
    edited 9:41PM
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    I feel a bubble is about to burst.

    “ BREAKING: OpenAI is now "leaning toward" pushing its IPO until 2027, per NYT.

    Details include:

    1. "Choppy" markets in recent weeks have led OpenAI to reconsider the timeline of the IPO

    2. The company is worried it may not find much enthusiasm from retail investors

    3. Advisors are recommending OpenAI either wait until 2027 to IPO at $1 trillion or lower the valuation for a quicker IPO

    Recent volatility in tech stocks has raised concerns around OpenAI's IPO.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2070248030234706379?s=61

    If it's about to burst, they're not going to wait, I wouldn't think.
    I think this won’t happen. It’s been kicked back and unless there’s a major improvement in sentiment it will be like the Dr Who Xmas Special, quietly then publicly dropped.

    I also think, due to the slump in SpaceX and today’s commentary from JP Morgan that makes it less attractive to go now,
    Elon Musk grabbed all the available money - there isn't the available cash for OpenAI to go public..

    Problem is OpenAI finances are scarily bad and it doesn't seem possible that they can grow sales enough to offset their loses..
    OpenAI is not being allowed by the US government to release its latest model generally. Just like Anthropic. Can’t be good for business.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,817
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    I feel a bubble is about to burst.

    “ BREAKING: OpenAI is now "leaning toward" pushing its IPO until 2027, per NYT.

    Details include:

    1. "Choppy" markets in recent weeks have led OpenAI to reconsider the timeline of the IPO

    2. The company is worried it may not find much enthusiasm from retail investors

    3. Advisors are recommending OpenAI either wait until 2027 to IPO at $1 trillion or lower the valuation for a quicker IPO

    Recent volatility in tech stocks has raised concerns around OpenAI's IPO.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2070248030234706379?s=61

    If it's about to burst, they're not going to wait, I wouldn't think.
    I think this won’t happen. It’s been kicked back and unless there’s a major improvement in sentiment it will be like the Dr Who Xmas Special, quietly then publicly dropped.

    I also think, due to the slump in SpaceX and today’s commentary from JP Morgan that makes it less attractive to go now,
    Elon Musk grabbed all the available money - there isn't the available cash for OpenAI to go public..

    Problem is OpenAI finances are scarily bad and it doesn't seem possible that they can grow sales enough to offset their loses..
    Absolutely. It just seems to burn cash and where is the return coming from ? I’d give this a very wide berth even if it was coming to market. But I’m glad it isn’t as it would end up in a tracker or two I hold.

    I’d guess the same will happen with the Anthropic IPO too.

    I remember the words of Warren Buffet. IPO - It’s Probably Overvalued.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,817

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    I feel a bubble is about to burst.

    “ BREAKING: OpenAI is now "leaning toward" pushing its IPO until 2027, per NYT.

    Details include:

    1. "Choppy" markets in recent weeks have led OpenAI to reconsider the timeline of the IPO

    2. The company is worried it may not find much enthusiasm from retail investors

    3. Advisors are recommending OpenAI either wait until 2027 to IPO at $1 trillion or lower the valuation for a quicker IPO

    Recent volatility in tech stocks has raised concerns around OpenAI's IPO.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2070248030234706379?s=61

    If it's about to burst, they're not going to wait, I wouldn't think.
    I think this won’t happen. It’s been kicked back and unless there’s a major improvement in sentiment it will be like the Dr Who Xmas Special, quietly then publicly dropped.

    I also think, due to the slump in SpaceX and today’s commentary from JP Morgan that makes it less attractive to go now,
    Elon Musk grabbed all the available money - there isn't the available cash for OpenAI to go public..

    Problem is OpenAI finances are scarily bad and it doesn't seem possible that they can grow sales enough to offset their loses..
    OpenAI is not being allowed by the US government to release its latest model generally. Just like Anthropic. Can’t be good for business.
    Even if it’s resolved short term there’s always the longer term risk.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,284

    Germany really do hate Scotland.

    Does this result put Scotland out?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,817

    Germany really do hate Scotland.

    They have form in world cups. Remember 82.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,226

    Germany really do hate Scotland.

    Does this result put Scotland out?
    Not quite, they are now 8th of 8 places.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,143

    Germany really do hate Scotland.

    Does this result put Scotland out?
    Not out, but makes it much more unlikely.

    https://x.com/DrNeilStone/status/2070241662262026602
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,133
    Is Andy PM yet?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,133
    viewcode said:

    Also probably the first time we’ve had a PM (or soon to be) and leader of the opposition who both look like they enjoy/relish the job rather than being pained by it since Blair-Cameron.

    What about Boris-Corbyn?

    Corbyn never looked as if he enjoyed the job. IIRC, he finds Parliamentary politics to be rather beneath him, compared to protest, direct action, standing for principles instead of policy. He couldn't cope with basic tasks like running meetings, holding people to deadlines, and generally not fucking around. Whether you like him or not, he simply wan't up to snuff per Attlee.
    Once there he eventually developed the taste for it, he fought to hold on rather than go after all, but it's hard to argue it did not match his skill set.

    It did open him up to a new adoring audience post leadership though, even if in the last 12 months Polanksi has gotten more love.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,883

    Whooo.

    For those PBers like me who love American politics and history, there's a new Netflix series on the Revolution - exec producer Tom Hanks and all star cast of interviewees and so on:


    https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/81930567

    Different from the Ken Burns series currently on BBC4 presumably, which is pretty good.

    Hopefully not the same quality gap between Hank’s’ WWII series and World at War, though I fear the worst.
    The Americans are totally incapable of making an objective documentary of their own revolution.

    Too many cherised myths.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,133
    HYUFD said:

    '64% of Britons would support a law where employers cannot require workers to work if the temperature of the working environment is above 30C'

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2070171606652010698?s=20

    If it involves banning or restricting something, the British public will be all for it. If it has merit that is a happy coincidence.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,143
    Think the Scottish might understand why the English really don’t like the German national football team today. Jammy sods, who also refuse to win when you need them to.

    https://x.com/UKPoliticsLive/status/2070263798129131828
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,133

    Whooo.

    For those PBers like me who love American politics and history, there's a new Netflix series on the Revolution - exec producer Tom Hanks and all star cast of interviewees and so on:


    https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/81930567

    Different from the Ken Burns series currently on BBC4 presumably, which is pretty good.

    Hopefully not the same quality gap between Hank’s’ WWII series and World at War, though I fear the worst.
    The Americans are totally incapable of making an objective documentary of their own revolution.

    Too many cherised myths.
    If it is able to acknowledge it as an issue which divided those living there, rather than just being dominated by sneering English toffs, it would be a step up from some of the mythologising.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,144

    Think the Scottish might understand why the English really don’t like the German national football team today. Jammy sods, who also refuse to win when you need them to.

    https://x.com/UKPoliticsLive/status/2070263798129131828

    The Glower of Scotland.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,636
    How amusing would it be if Burnham failed to get his nomination papers in on time.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,133

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    Sandpit said:

    algarkirk said:

    Every required element is present in this BBC story, a parable for our age:


    A man who was restrained on a Jet2 flight by fellow travellers after he allegedly assaulted another passenger and cabin crew, has died.

    Police were called to reports of a passenger attacking another customer and a staff member on the Jet2 flight from Cyprus to Manchester and being "disruptive and aggressive" in the early hours of Monday.

    On landing at Manchester Airport, officers used handcuffs to detain Callum Kerr, 35, of Warrington, but quickly found he was "unresponsive" and performed CPR on him before taking him to hospital, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.

    Kerr, a bare-knuckle fighter, died on Tuesday. An investigation into his death is under way.

    Paying tribute, Kerr's loved ones said: "Callum was a family man, father to three beautiful young children, a lover of sport and with a heart of gold."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17ypedelk9o

    It's not the devout Muslim speaking but I think banning alcohol at airport and planes needs to be instigated.
    Well you can fly Saudia then. No drinks in their lounges nor on their planes.
    Haven't the Saudis got the World Cup next? ISTR one of them said you could enjoy football without alcohol. Wankers.
    They've got 2034 (which will take place in Jan & Feb 2035)

    2030 is Spain, Portugal, & Morocco plus a few South American countries with one off games.

    Edit Paraguay, Uruguay, and Argentina.
    That is completely absurd. Spain, Portugal and Morocco are at least geographically in roughly the same place.

    But random LatAm countries. That's just stupid, that is.
    It’s to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the World Cup which was held in Uruguay.
    Then have the World Cup in Uruguay.
    They cannot, too small a country to host a 48 team world cup.

    I think by 2034 we're going to have a 64 team world cup.
    Ah, the Saudi Arabian world cup, how nice. We're going to need a lot of independence movements to succeed in order to boost the numbers.

  • Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    You need planning permission to install aircon in the U.K. ?

    https://x.com/nonregemesse/status/2070243190892867957?s=61

    Funny when I said about how stupid planning rules are here you said I was stupid
    It’s a question. Answered by Malmesbury.

    I’m also unsure if, even if it’s a permitted development, you’d need covenant consent.
    Utter gibberish

    Covenant consent is where, even if you are the freeholder, you have to ask for permission if you have restrictive covenants on your property. I own the freehold on my house but there are restrictive covenants. Height of fences etc etc.

    My wife had to do so when she put a porch on her house, it was a permitted development but still needed covenant consent.

    She did obtain it, from Yuill.

    However it can be a problem selling homes and there is specialised insurance where people haven’t got it as neighbours can complain and it fall foul of that.

    https://www.geplegal.co.uk/restrictive-covenant-indemnity-insurance/
    ChatGPT spit out convincing sounding gibberish
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,650
    Fantastic Ecuador!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,226

    Whooo.

    For those PBers like me who love American politics and history, there's a new Netflix series on the Revolution - exec producer Tom Hanks and all star cast of interviewees and so on:


    https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/81930567

    Different from the Ken Burns series currently on BBC4 presumably, which is pretty good.

    Hopefully not the same quality gap between Hank’s’ WWII series and World at War, though I fear the worst.
    The Americans are totally incapable of making an objective documentary of their own revolution.

    Too many cherised myths.
    Probably.

    For a different perspective this is an interesting work:

    https://amzn.eu/d/01g8bQp7

    A lot of the fighting was between American Loyalists and American Patriots, as well as probably a majority who just wanted a quiet life. I suppose true of most civil wars.

    A lot of those Loyalists moved to Canada as a result.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,144
    Ecuador beat Germany 2-1!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,466
    edited 10:07PM
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    '64% of Britons would support a law where employers cannot require workers to work if the temperature of the working environment is above 30C'

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2070171606652010698?s=20

    Lazy b@5tards!

    I might be turning right wing in my old age but this is an absurdity. Back at Tanks and Drums in Bradford complaining about the heat would get one escorted out of the factory.

    It was a very matter of fact kind of a place. At a Management meeting the MD, a heavy set bluff Yorkshireman from Queensbury, explained; "salesmen? If it were up to me I wouldn't pay you bastards in washers".
    Imagine working in a foundry or a trade moulder in the middle of summer with that sort of law !!

    Or working all day in PPE with an FP3 mask.

    The issue is more subtle. The problem is not so much temperature, as temprature combined with humidity. The same temperatures that we have had today would be fine with a humidity like that in Phoenix or Marrakesh. It is 72% humidity today here.

    I thought the Australian attitude to this was quite sensible when I was working there - employers take skin cancer and heat stroke seriously and will either reduce work during hot periods or provide the clothing and shelter required.

    The cultural shift required in the UK is going to be difficult to achieve. You’re going to have feeble managers posturing rather than taking a rational approach - can’t imagine ever being given 12-3 off to sit in the shade, or being forced to wear an enormous hat.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,222

    Germany really do hate Scotland.

    Does this result put Scotland out?
    They need a heck of a lot to go their way now
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,133
    All this unbearable heat just makes me think how incredible it is that natural internal temperature of humans and other animals is so high.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,126
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    '64% of Britons would support a law where employers cannot require workers to work if the temperature of the working environment is above 30C'

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2070171606652010698?s=20

    If it involves banning or restricting something, the British public will be all for it. If it has merit that is a happy coincidence.
    The interesting counterpolling would be "facilities you use (shops, schools etc) should close when the temperature gets above X".

    There's a reason why our Mediterranean friends do a mixture of working in the morning and evening in low summer, then buggering off to the beach or the mountains in high summer. It's the only sensible thing to do in the circumstances. And those circumstances are coming this way, thanks to the global warming that's already baked in for the next few decades.

    (When I was living in Seville, the city had lots of advertising displays with temperature monitors built in. One summer- I think it was 1999 and linked to the World Athletics championships happening in August, for pity's sake- the city council switched them all off.)
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,817
    edited 10:19PM

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    You need planning permission to install aircon in the U.K. ?

    https://x.com/nonregemesse/status/2070243190892867957?s=61

    Funny when I said about how stupid planning rules are here you said I was stupid
    It’s a question. Answered by Malmesbury.

    I’m also unsure if, even if it’s a permitted development, you’d need covenant consent.
    Utter gibberish

    Covenant consent is where, even if you are the freeholder, you have to ask for permission if you have restrictive covenants on your property. I own the freehold on my house but there are restrictive covenants. Height of fences etc etc.

    My wife had to do so when she put a porch on her house, it was a permitted development but still needed covenant consent.

    She did obtain it, from Yuill.

    However it can be a problem selling homes and there is specialised insurance where people haven’t got it as neighbours can complain and it fall foul of that.

    https://www.geplegal.co.uk/restrictive-covenant-indemnity-insurance/
    ChatGPT spit out convincing sounding gibberish
    No, my personal experience. I dealt with the sale of my wife’s house last year. I don’t even use ChatGPt 👍 if it’s gibberish why were we asked for it by the vendors solicitor. In fact I won’t waste any more time on this with you.

    My own home has restrictive covenants. For example no fence can be erected above 2 metres.

    You’ll find I’m right. Ask one of those experts you humblebrag about knowing while vagueposting some worthless shite anyone could have got on Twitter. “I have it on good authority ……” 😂😂😂😂

    When’s your next flounce due ?


  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,883
    kle4 said:

    Whooo.

    For those PBers like me who love American politics and history, there's a new Netflix series on the Revolution - exec producer Tom Hanks and all star cast of interviewees and so on:


    https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/81930567

    Different from the Ken Burns series currently on BBC4 presumably, which is pretty good.

    Hopefully not the same quality gap between Hank’s’ WWII series and World at War, though I fear the worst.
    The Americans are totally incapable of making an objective documentary of their own revolution.

    Too many cherised myths.
    If it is able to acknowledge it as an issue which divided those living there, rather than just being dominated by sneering English toffs, it would be a step up from some of the mythologising.
    The first episode is called "Freedom".

    Not holding my breath.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,787
    Pulpstar said:

    Germany really do hate Scotland.

    Does this result put Scotland out?
    They need a heck of a lot to go their way now
    Suspect Belgium will leap over them.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,787
    Only in America...


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    JD Vance says his grandmother "had loaded revolvers all over the house" adding, "she made sure that no matter where she was, if somebody walked in her door, she would have a loaded revolver within arm's reach."

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2070244005573521752
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,647
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    '64% of Britons would support a law where employers cannot require workers to work if the temperature of the working environment is above 30C'

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2070171606652010698?s=20

    If it involves banning or restricting something, the British public will be all for it. If it has merit that is a happy coincidence.
    As long as it bans or restricts something they don't do. It's like people being in favour of higher taxes or less benefits for all the people who are not them.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,817

    Only in America...


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    JD Vance says his grandmother "had loaded revolvers all over the house" adding, "she made sure that no matter where she was, if somebody walked in her door, she would have a loaded revolver within arm's reach."

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2070244005573521752

    Surely the risk is, especially if she’s sleeping, so would they ?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,817

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    '64% of Britons would support a law where employers cannot require workers to work if the temperature of the working environment is above 30C'

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2070171606652010698?s=20

    If it involves banning or restricting something, the British public will be all for it. If it has merit that is a happy coincidence.
    As long as it bans or restricts something they don't do. It's like people being in favour of higher taxes or less benefits for all the people who are not them.
    Remember the poll in COVID which had something like 20% of people favouring night clubs being closed permanently ?
  • CharlieSharkCharlieShark Posts: 477
    Great result for Ecuador. Keeps my 100/1 ew bet going a bit longer. Thought they'd might win the group but that bet failed. 4/1 to beat Germany was nice though. Scotland should be packing their bags now. They didn't deserve to go through. Scotland and Turkey have been the two most disappointing teams.

    Meanwhile, a Reform gain from Labour:

    Camp Hill, Nuneaton & Bedworth

    Ref: 460
    Lab: 400
    Con: 84

    Turnout 16.84%
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,817
    My MP on a big win today !!

    There was a GOTV campaign too from Labour. I know Sacriston quite well. Cycle through it quite regularly.


    ‘ Great result in our local byelection for Sacriston Parish Council today:
    Labour 268 (68.2%)
    Lib Dem 125 (31.8%)’


    https://x.com/lukeakehurst/status/2070257035849908615?s=61
  • Taz said:

    I feel a bubble is about to burst.

    “ BREAKING: OpenAI is now "leaning toward" pushing its IPO until 2027, per NYT.

    Details include:

    1. "Choppy" markets in recent weeks have led OpenAI to reconsider the timeline of the IPO

    2. The company is worried it may not find much enthusiasm from retail investors

    3. Advisors are recommending OpenAI either wait until 2027 to IPO at $1 trillion or lower the valuation for a quicker IPO

    Recent volatility in tech stocks has raised concerns around OpenAI's IPO.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2070248030234706379?s=61

    Their finances got leaked, which deprived OpenAI of the opportunity to put a positive spin on them before the IPO. The numbers are so horrible the market is starting to realise there is no path to profitability.

    And if OpenAI can't IPO it dies, because there is no other way to raise enough money to pay for all the commitments they've made for purchasing hardware and renting compute capacity.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,133

    Only in America...


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    JD Vance says his grandmother "had loaded revolvers all over the house" adding, "she made sure that no matter where she was, if somebody walked in her door, she would have a loaded revolver within arm's reach."

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2070244005573521752

    It'd be over the top in a dystopia. Not needing a weapon to hand at all times would be a better sign ofva strong society.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,817

    Taz said:

    I feel a bubble is about to burst.

    “ BREAKING: OpenAI is now "leaning toward" pushing its IPO until 2027, per NYT.

    Details include:

    1. "Choppy" markets in recent weeks have led OpenAI to reconsider the timeline of the IPO

    2. The company is worried it may not find much enthusiasm from retail investors

    3. Advisors are recommending OpenAI either wait until 2027 to IPO at $1 trillion or lower the valuation for a quicker IPO

    Recent volatility in tech stocks has raised concerns around OpenAI's IPO.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2070248030234706379?s=61

    Their finances got leaked, which deprived OpenAI of the opportunity to put a positive spin on them before the IPO. The numbers are so horrible the market is starting to realise there is no path to profitability.

    And if OpenAI can't IPO it dies, because there is no other way to raise enough money to pay for all the commitments they've made for purchasing hardware and renting compute capacity.
    All Good points. I am merely a layman but I cannot see anything other than a business burning through cash with no viable plan to make money.

    At least SpaceX makes money. Even if IPO at 100x earnings was challenging.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,133

    Taz said:

    I feel a bubble is about to burst.

    “ BREAKING: OpenAI is now "leaning toward" pushing its IPO until 2027, per NYT.

    Details include:

    1. "Choppy" markets in recent weeks have led OpenAI to reconsider the timeline of the IPO

    2. The company is worried it may not find much enthusiasm from retail investors

    3. Advisors are recommending OpenAI either wait until 2027 to IPO at $1 trillion or lower the valuation for a quicker IPO

    Recent volatility in tech stocks has raised concerns around OpenAI's IPO.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2070248030234706379?s=61

    Their finances got leaked, which deprived OpenAI of the opportunity to put a positive spin on them before the IPO. The numbers are so horrible the market is starting to realise there is no path to profitability.

    And if OpenAI can't IPO it dies, because there is no other way to raise enough money to pay for all the commitments they've made for purchasing hardware and renting compute capacity.
    Why would bad numbers surprise anyone?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,786
    Two by elections so far called.

    Camp Hill (Nuneaton & Bedworth) Council By-Election Result:

    ➡️ RFM: 48.7% (+2.6)
    🌹 LAB: 42.4% (+19.3)
    🌳 CON: 8.9% (-2.6)

    No GRN (-17.8) as previous.

    Reform GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2026.


    Farnworth (Halton) Council By-Election Result:

    🌹 LAB: 51.0% (+14.6)
    ➡️ RFM: 36.4% (-0.0)
    🌳 CON: 7.7% (-5.7)
    🌍 GRN: 4.7% (-9.0)
    🦅 LBT: 0.2% (New)

    Labour HOLD.
    Changes w/ 2026.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,787

    Great result for Ecuador. Keeps my 100/1 ew bet going a bit longer. Thought they'd might win the group but that bet failed. 4/1 to beat Germany was nice though. Scotland should be packing their bags now. They didn't deserve to go through. Scotland and Turkey have been the two most disappointing teams.

    Meanwhile, a Reform gain from Labour:

    Camp Hill, Nuneaton & Bedworth

    Ref: 460
    Lab: 400
    Con: 84

    Turnout 16.84%

    "Ecuador. Keeps my 100/1 ew bet going a bit longer."

    Nice

    I'm on at 130/1 to win
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,786
    dixiedean said:

    Two by elections so far called.

    Camp Hill (Nuneaton & Bedworth) Council By-Election Result:

    ➡️ RFM: 48.7% (+2.6)
    🌹 LAB: 42.4% (+19.3)
    🌳 CON: 8.9% (-2.6)

    No GRN (-17.8) as previous.

    Reform GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2026.


    Farnworth (Halton) Council By-Election Result:

    🌹 LAB: 51.0% (+14.6)
    ➡️ RFM: 36.4% (-0.0)
    🌳 CON: 7.7% (-5.7)
    🌍 GRN: 4.7% (-9.0)
    🦅 LBT: 0.2% (New)

    Labour HOLD.
    Changes w/ 2026.

    In case anyone is wondering. The Labour councillor in Nuneaton who resigned was elected in 2024. The changes are with 2026 locals. So that's how it's a Reform gain.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,647
    Taz said:

    My MP on a big win today !!

    There was a GOTV campaign too from Labour. I know Sacriston quite well. Cycle through it quite regularly.


    ‘ Great result in our local byelection for Sacriston Parish Council today:
    Labour 268 (68.2%)
    Lib Dem 125 (31.8%)’


    https://x.com/lukeakehurst/status/2070257035849908615?s=61

    We should ban party affiliations on parish councils. It is completely unnecessary and is only a fairly recent development. In 1991 only 10% of Parish and Town councillors had a declared party affiliation and only 4% of councils were run on political lines.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,647
    edited 10:58PM
    dixiedean said:

    Two by elections so far called.

    Camp Hill (Nuneaton & Bedworth) Council By-Election Result:

    ➡️ RFM: 48.7% (+2.6)
    🌹 LAB: 42.4% (+19.3)
    🌳 CON: 8.9% (-2.6)

    No GRN (-17.8) as previous.

    Reform GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2026.


    Farnworth (Halton) Council By-Election Result:

    🌹 LAB: 51.0% (+14.6)
    ➡️ RFM: 36.4% (-0.0)
    🌳 CON: 7.7% (-5.7)
    🌍 GRN: 4.7% (-9.0)
    🦅 LBT: 0.2% (New)

    Labour HOLD.
    Changes w/ 2026.

    Evening DD. Thanks for these. On the Camp Hill result, how can that be a Reform gain from Labour when, based on the numbers there, the Labour vote increased far more than the Reform vote?

    Edit: Apologies, just saw your subsequent post
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,071
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgjm61lkl4o

    Now it makes sense why Whitehall has seized control over planning at Cherwell District Council. They can force through the Bicester plans irrespective of local views.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,284
    kle4 said:

    Is Andy PM yet?

    Isn't he @Andy_JS ?
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,377
    Some weird results in Wales tonight.
  • kle4 said:

    Taz said:

    I feel a bubble is about to burst.

    “ BREAKING: OpenAI is now "leaning toward" pushing its IPO until 2027, per NYT.

    Details include:

    1. "Choppy" markets in recent weeks have led OpenAI to reconsider the timeline of the IPO

    2. The company is worried it may not find much enthusiasm from retail investors

    3. Advisors are recommending OpenAI either wait until 2027 to IPO at $1 trillion or lower the valuation for a quicker IPO

    Recent volatility in tech stocks has raised concerns around OpenAI's IPO.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2070248030234706379?s=61

    Their finances got leaked, which deprived OpenAI of the opportunity to put a positive spin on them before the IPO. The numbers are so horrible the market is starting to realise there is no path to profitability.

    And if OpenAI can't IPO it dies, because there is no other way to raise enough money to pay for all the commitments they've made for purchasing hardware and renting compute capacity.
    Why would bad numbers surprise anyone?
    Because they're really quite horrible, a $33bn yearly loss with $20bn of that coming from operations.

    It's costing OpenAI $20bn to run a service that brings in $13bn from customers. They are also spending north of $5bn on marketing to get those customers. This does not include the very significant costs of developing the models, or the enormous spending commitments.

    If my back of an envelope maths are correct, OpenAI needs to either IPO or roughly triple their customer base in a year or they will run out of money around Q3 or Q4 next year.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,421
    edited 11:12PM

    Taz said:

    My MP on a big win today !!

    There was a GOTV campaign too from Labour. I know Sacriston quite well. Cycle through it quite regularly.


    ‘ Great result in our local byelection for Sacriston Parish Council today:
    Labour 268 (68.2%)
    Lib Dem 125 (31.8%)’


    https://x.com/lukeakehurst/status/2070257035849908615?s=61

    We should ban party affiliations on parish councils. It is completely unnecessary and is only a fairly recent development. In 1991 only 10% of Parish and Town councillors had a declared party affiliation and only 4% of councils were run on political lines.
    Is it formal i.e at most one candidate can have the party name on the ballot, or informal? I wouldn't want to ban someone saying what party they like, as freedom of association.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,671
    Pulpstar said:

    Germany really do hate Scotland.

    Does this result put Scotland out?
    They need a heck of a lot to go their way now
    Scotland's problem was always those playing later knew what they had to achieve.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,176

    Roger said:

    Do some men here put mascara on their eyebrows?

    Bob Dylan was one of the first but now it's common
    You’ve misunderstood; look up eyebrows
    I'm not great on posting letters but after 25 years as a fashion photographer I got quite familiar with what you do with mascara
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,786
    Very off topic but.
    Does anyone know why Japan's football team play in blue?
    Their flag isn't. And their rugby team wear the correct colours of cherry and white hoops.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,786
    An avalanche of by-elections tonight.
    Summat for Labour, Reform, PC and Greens to smile about so far.
    Plenty of opportunities for Tories and LD later to get into the game.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,671

    kle4 said:

    Taz said:

    I feel a bubble is about to burst.

    “ BREAKING: OpenAI is now "leaning toward" pushing its IPO until 2027, per NYT.

    Details include:

    1. "Choppy" markets in recent weeks have led OpenAI to reconsider the timeline of the IPO

    2. The company is worried it may not find much enthusiasm from retail investors

    3. Advisors are recommending OpenAI either wait until 2027 to IPO at $1 trillion or lower the valuation for a quicker IPO

    Recent volatility in tech stocks has raised concerns around OpenAI's IPO.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2070248030234706379?s=61

    Their finances got leaked, which deprived OpenAI of the opportunity to put a positive spin on them before the IPO. The numbers are so horrible the market is starting to realise there is no path to profitability.

    And if OpenAI can't IPO it dies, because there is no other way to raise enough money to pay for all the commitments they've made for purchasing hardware and renting compute capacity.
    Why would bad numbers surprise anyone?
    Because they're really quite horrible, a $33bn yearly loss with $20bn of that coming from operations.

    It's costing OpenAI $20bn to run a service that brings in $13bn from customers. They are also spending north of $5bn on marketing to get those customers. This does not include the very significant costs of developing the models, or the enormous spending commitments.

    If my back of an envelope maths are correct, OpenAI needs to either IPO or roughly triple their customer base in a year or they will run out of money around Q3 or Q4 next year.
    They could yet see 5,000 points off the NASDAQ
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,786

    Pulpstar said:

    Germany really do hate Scotland.

    Does this result put Scotland out?
    They need a heck of a lot to go their way now
    Scotland's problem was always those playing later knew what they had to achieve.
    That and the fact that they aren't very good at football.
    They beat Haiti 1-0. Doesn't scream deserve to qualify to me.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,176
    dixiedean said:

    Two by elections so far called.

    Camp Hill (Nuneaton & Bedworth) Council By-Election Result:

    ➡️ RFM: 48.7% (+2.6)
    🌹 LAB: 42.4% (+19.3)
    🌳 CON: 8.9% (-2.6)

    No GRN (-17.8) as previous.

    Reform GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2026.


    Farnworth (Halton) Council By-Election Result:

    🌹 LAB: 51.0% (+14.6)
    ➡️ RFM: 36.4% (-0.0)
    🌳 CON: 7.7% (-5.7)
    🌍 GRN: 4.7% (-9.0)
    🦅 LBT: 0.2% (New)

    Labour HOLD.
    Changes w/ 2026.

    Are Labour suddenly improving?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,786
    Andy Burnham out campaigning for Bev Craig in Stockport today.
    He's gonna spend his weekend in Haydock Asda rather than Chequers isn't he?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,139
    Roger said:

    dixiedean said:

    Two by elections so far called.

    Camp Hill (Nuneaton & Bedworth) Council By-Election Result:

    ➡️ RFM: 48.7% (+2.6)
    🌹 LAB: 42.4% (+19.3)
    🌳 CON: 8.9% (-2.6)

    No GRN (-17.8) as previous.

    Reform GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2026.


    Farnworth (Halton) Council By-Election Result:

    🌹 LAB: 51.0% (+14.6)
    ➡️ RFM: 36.4% (-0.0)
    🌳 CON: 7.7% (-5.7)
    🌍 GRN: 4.7% (-9.0)
    🦅 LBT: 0.2% (New)

    Labour HOLD.
    Changes w/ 2026.

    Are Labour suddenly improving?
    Notwithstanding that its another data point of the Tories being nowhere in England despite the Aberdeen result
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