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  • sladeslade Posts: 2,376
    There are a lot of local by-elections this week - and many of them are complicated. Firstly we have countermanded election in St. Helens(2Lab) and Tamworth ( Ind elected as Con). Secondly there are normal by-elections - 21 of them! They are Aberdeen (LD but SNP topped the poll), Brighton and Hove ( Ind elected as Lab), Cambridgeshire (Ref disqualified), Carmarthenshire ( Ref), Denbighshire (Ind elected as Lab), Denbighshire ( PC), Ealing (Green), Hackney (Green), Hackney (Green disqualified), Halton (Lab), Haringey (Green ineligible), Haringey (Lab), Hertsmere (LD), Highland (Ind but LD topped the poll), Merthyr Tydfil (Ref elected as Ind), Nuneaton and Bedworth (Lab), Rhondda Cynon Taff (PC), St. Helens (Ref), Staffordshire (Ref), Teignbridge (LD), Uttlesford (LD).
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,179

    British people need to stop being such miserable c**ts.

    It does feel like we've become a nation of moaners. Collectively, we seem to know what we don't like but where's the positive enthusiasm for anything?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,001
    Battlebus said:

    algarkirk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Farage is going to lose the "normal guy" and charisma/charm battle with Andy Burnham. Not sure what he can do about it. Serious situation for Reform imo.

    Agree. for practical purposes write off any chance of a Reform government in 2028/9. The balloon has burst, scattering five million used pound notes and great thoughts about celebrity bottoms into the air.

    I hope the Tories will have Danny Kruger back in due course. But not the others.
    It's noticeable that someone like Kruger has made no impact in Reform such is the control of Farage. A waste to both Reform and to himself. However if he stays any longer, then questions will be asked about his judgment.
    I can conceive of only 2 reasons why a Tory politician would switch to Reform and neither are savoury.

    1. Pure careerism. They've looked at the polls and calculate better personal prospects.

    2. Nativist ideology. They believe in closed borders and mass deportations of 'not proper' Brits.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,179
    edited 5:40PM
    kinabalu said:

    I understand the next England WC match.

    A highly controlled performance, tight at the back, lots of possession, pop one in. 1/0. None of this sloppy 4/2 nonsense.

    Let's hope not. I'd rather lose 5-4 than endure a 1-0 bore-fest.

    (Plus, most time England try to see out a 1-0 win they end up losing 1-2.)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,201
    kinabalu said:

    I understand the next England WC match.

    A highly controlled performance, tight at the back, lots of possession, pop one in. 1/0. None of this sloppy 4/2 nonsense.

    If Kane wants to be in contention for the Golden Boot he needs a hat trick. Messi and Mbappe are not holding back.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,653
    edited 5:37PM
    slade said:

    There are a lot of local by-elections this week - and many of them are complicated. Firstly we have countermanded election in St. Helens(2Lab) and Tamworth ( Ind elected as Con). Secondly there are normal by-elections - 21 of them! They are Aberdeen (LD but SNP topped the poll), Brighton and Hove ( Ind elected as Lab), Cambridgeshire (Ref disqualified), Carmarthenshire ( Ref), Denbighshire (Ind elected as Lab), Denbighshire ( PC), Ealing (Green), Hackney (Green), Hackney (Green disqualified), Halton (Lab), Haringey (Green ineligible), Haringey (Lab), Hertsmere (LD), Highland (Ind but LD topped the poll), Merthyr Tydfil (Ref elected as Ind), Nuneaton and Bedworth (Lab), Rhondda Cynon Taff (PC), St. Helens (Ref), Staffordshire (Ref), Teignbridge (LD), Uttlesford (LD).

    Meanwhile, buried under the national political tittle-tattle, I see that today the LibDems have taken majority control of Oxon county council. As you will doubtless be reading on tomorrows national front pages.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,522
    kinabalu said:

    Battlebus said:

    algarkirk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Farage is going to lose the "normal guy" and charisma/charm battle with Andy Burnham. Not sure what he can do about it. Serious situation for Reform imo.

    Agree. for practical purposes write off any chance of a Reform government in 2028/9. The balloon has burst, scattering five million used pound notes and great thoughts about celebrity bottoms into the air.

    I hope the Tories will have Danny Kruger back in due course. But not the others.
    It's noticeable that someone like Kruger has made no impact in Reform such is the control of Farage. A waste to both Reform and to himself. However if he stays any longer, then questions will be asked about his judgment.
    I can conceive of only 2 reasons why a Tory politician would switch to Reform and neither are savoury.

    1. Pure careerism. They've looked at the polls and calculate better personal prospects.

    2. Nativist ideology. They believe in closed borders and mass deportations of 'not proper' Brits.
    3. They believe they can change Reform from the inside?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,653

    British people need to stop being such miserable c**ts.

    It does feel like we've become a nation of moaners. Collectively, we seem to know what we don't like but where's the positive enthusiasm for anything?
    Doubtless why England matches kick off from the centre circle and within a few kicks the ball is back with our goalie, and is then punted about between the defenders until, currently during the first hydration break, our manager intervenes to remind the players that their chances are better with the ball up the other end of the pitch. Thank god this worked, the last time.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,522
    DavidL said:

    kinabalu said:

    I understand the next England WC match.

    A highly controlled performance, tight at the back, lots of possession, pop one in. 1/0. None of this sloppy 4/2 nonsense.

    If Kane wants to be in contention for the Golden Boot he needs a hat trick. Messi and Mbappe are not holding back.
    I think England play with too many potential goal scorers so it won’t happen for Kane. Other teams rely more on their main goal scorer.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,180

    British people need to stop being such miserable c**ts.

    It does feel like we've become a nation of moaners. Collectively, we seem to know what we don't like but where's the positive enthusiasm for anything?
    I'm thoroughly enjoying the current heat wave.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,442
    kinabalu said:

    Battlebus said:

    algarkirk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Farage is going to lose the "normal guy" and charisma/charm battle with Andy Burnham. Not sure what he can do about it. Serious situation for Reform imo.

    Agree. for practical purposes write off any chance of a Reform government in 2028/9. The balloon has burst, scattering five million used pound notes and great thoughts about celebrity bottoms into the air.

    I hope the Tories will have Danny Kruger back in due course. But not the others.
    It's noticeable that someone like Kruger has made no impact in Reform such is the control of Farage. A waste to both Reform and to himself. However if he stays any longer, then questions will be asked about his judgment.
    I can conceive of only 2 reasons why a Tory politician would switch to Reform and neither are savoury.

    1. Pure careerism. They've looked at the polls and calculate better personal prospects.

    2. Nativist ideology. They believe in closed borders and mass deportations of 'not proper' Brits.
    I understood he was going to advise Farage on how Benefits work in the UK and what might be done about it (Paging Malc and Taz). However Burnham has his own heavyweight for that area in the shape of Kate Green.

    TLDR: Her background with CPAG strongly suggests there won't be much of a cutback in that area. CPAG are *the* leading experts in this area and their published handbooks are the go to source for benefits and other related advice,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Green

    For those that want to fact check the Daily Mail, Telegraph and Express you can purchase an online version of Benefits for Migrants Handbook here. It's now in its 15th edition.

    https://askcpag.org.uk/?id=-258291

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,180
    According to @ArmyCGS, the @BritishArmy is THE leader in European land warfare. The views I get from Euro NATO forces are closer to @larisamlbrown
    ones.
    “You have massive problems, it is sheer arrogance to think you can still assert the same claim to leadership in Nato.”

    https://x.com/FTusa284/status/2069443578917462356
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,001
    edited 5:50PM

    kinabalu said:

    Battlebus said:

    algarkirk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Farage is going to lose the "normal guy" and charisma/charm battle with Andy Burnham. Not sure what he can do about it. Serious situation for Reform imo.

    Agree. for practical purposes write off any chance of a Reform government in 2028/9. The balloon has burst, scattering five million used pound notes and great thoughts about celebrity bottoms into the air.

    I hope the Tories will have Danny Kruger back in due course. But not the others.
    It's noticeable that someone like Kruger has made no impact in Reform such is the control of Farage. A waste to both Reform and to himself. However if he stays any longer, then questions will be asked about his judgment.
    I can conceive of only 2 reasons why a Tory politician would switch to Reform and neither are savoury.

    1. Pure careerism. They've looked at the polls and calculate better personal prospects.

    2. Nativist ideology. They believe in closed borders and mass deportations of 'not proper' Brits.
    3. They believe they can change Reform from the inside?
    To what though. If they manage to professionalise Reform and marginalise the racism, whilst keeping it firmly right wing on economics, you get something quite close to where they've fled from - a Kemi Badenoch led Tory Party.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,574
    edited 5:48PM
    IanB2 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Those with Burnham mania please explain.

    Are you just going to left with soggy underwear and a sense of shame?

    He appears to perceive, unlike so many prior senior politicians, the critical way in which the structure and nature of our politics feeds through into the nature of our society and economy. If he can hold to his views on political and electoral reform and begin to unwind the huge centralisation of our governance that was imposed upon us by Thatcher and Blair, he will deserve to be buried as a hero. There was a time in which enlightened Brits could be proud of our long tradition of strong, independent local governance; that we’ve become a country where thousands of elected local politicians have no freedom other than to follow the line from Whitehall, and that British voters have no real say in the way their community is run once their every-four-years election vote has been, more often than not, simply cast into the bin, is a stain upon our long history as the mother of democracy and accountability.

    I start as a non-Labour voting strong Burnham supporter, and you can check back with me as a weathervane as to the extent to which he maintains his cross-party appeal when faced with the realities of governing from number ten.
    Yes. Spot on.

    There is just a chance we could look back and see Starmer as the person who provided a government of sorts, having rescued Labour from Corbynism, which didn't actually trash the country, when the Tories had given up and the far right was on the rise so all the alternatives were worse

    To be followed by a leadership which was activist, competent, hopeful, with a collegiate leadership and a story a plan and a narrative. We shall find out fairly soon.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,201
    Nigelb said:

    According to @ArmyCGS, the @BritishArmy is THE leader in European land warfare. The views I get from Euro NATO forces are closer to @larisamlbrown
    ones.
    “You have massive problems, it is sheer arrogance to think you can still assert the same claim to leadership in Nato.”

    https://x.com/FTusa284/status/2069443578917462356

    Anyone who thinks Ukraine doesn't have the best and leading ground forces in Europe is completely deluding themselves.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,729
    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

    Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

    "He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

    Al_Carns has about as much chance of getting the MP nominations and defeating Burnham with the members as his near namesake, Northern_Al.
    I dunno. I'd vote for you as Prime Minister even though I'd have some reservations about your line on the DfE.
    Cheers mate. I hereby offer to recuse myself from any DfE or associated education decisions. In fact, I may even abolish the DfE, just for you.
    How do you feel about abolishing VAT on cat food?
    Absolutely not. But dog food, yes, as there are two in my household, both belonging to my better half.
    "You keep dog food in your fridge???"
    Mr Dog’s food is mostly in the freezer. He has so much in there that sometimes I struggle to fit in my own Waitrose frozen herbs and the odd pizza or two. If I want to splash out on something like handmade frozen Bradford curries (a shout out to Chef Akila) I have to very carefully choreograph the delivery date in relation to his food delivery dates and then live on curries for the fortnight thereafter, with complete disregard to the gastrointestinal consequences.
    They do sell chilled dog food now. I don't know any brand names (not having a dog) but it's there (at least in Sainsbury's).
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,574
    Nigelb said:

    British people need to stop being such miserable c**ts.

    It does feel like we've become a nation of moaners. Collectively, we seem to know what we don't like but where's the positive enthusiasm for anything?
    I'm thoroughly enjoying the current heat wave.
    Inverness might hit close to 20C over the next couple of days.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,729
    Andy_JS said:

    I’ve been off yesterday and today, but I’m working the next seven days straight

    I’m dreading the next couple..

    Please be kind to your posties this week

    Genuine thanks for the valuable work you and your colleagues do.
    Like delivering the leaflet saying 2nd class letters will be delivered only three days a week.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,001
    DavidL said:

    kinabalu said:

    I understand the next England WC match.

    A highly controlled performance, tight at the back, lots of possession, pop one in. 1/0. None of this sloppy 4/2 nonsense.

    If Kane wants to be in contention for the Golden Boot he needs a hat trick. Messi and Mbappe are not holding back.
    True. You'll probably need double digit goals to snaffle the Boot here.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,185

    Andy_JS said:

    Head in hands moment.

    "Stop training so many medical students, demand doctors
    BMA members vote to cut intake as competition for specialist posts is ‘at an all-time high’" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/23/stop-training-medical-students-demand-doctors/

    Got to keep the salaries up old boy
    There's no competition from them for salaries if the government doesn't create enough postgraduate training places.

    Might as well give them a ticket for Quantas with their degree without enough postgraduate posts, and the number of those is not something the BMA controls.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,952
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    According to @ArmyCGS, the @BritishArmy is THE leader in European land warfare. The views I get from Euro NATO forces are closer to @larisamlbrown
    ones.
    “You have massive problems, it is sheer arrogance to think you can still assert the same claim to leadership in Nato.”

    https://x.com/FTusa284/status/2069443578917462356

    Anyone who thinks Ukraine doesn't have the best and leading ground forces in Europe is completely deluding themselves.
    I'm sure that's right.

    And when have British armed forces ever been well prepared? (I think the Seven years war is roughly the last time.)

    The professional British soldiery tends to have to learn very harsh lessons quicky when war arrives. We are quite good at learning the lessons, but our preparedness is not a strength. (Not just us of course - the French are far worse)
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,063
    Nigelb said:

    According to @ArmyCGS, the @BritishArmy is THE leader in European land warfare. The views I get from Euro NATO forces are closer to @larisamlbrown
    ones.
    “You have massive problems, it is sheer arrogance to think you can still assert the same claim to leadership in Nato.”

    https://x.com/FTusa284/status/2069443578917462356

    It’s weird because outside of the two world wars we’ve never aimed to be or planned to be a European Land War giant.

    We probably still have the best expeditionary forces in Europe but not for big land wars - and that’s fine if the navy is working and the airforce is strong but at the moment we seem to be lacking there too.

    Honestly I don’t think being a huge land army should be our remit - leave that to Germany and the Poles who would be at the forefront of any war v Russia. We should be focussed on other areas, especially naval protection for the North Atlantic, North Sea and Baltic. Lots of submarine drones would be a start. If the army is small but very highly trained for specific tasks I’m ok with that.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,978
    Boris was thrown out because of cumulative scandal

    Truss was ejected because of the markets, however that happened

    Sunil was defenestrated by a comprehensive general election defeat

    Sir Keirdaver is being thrown out because only about four people like him

    And he won the biggest majority

    Politics can be fucking weird..
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,644
    This is good news for Burnham. One of Starmer's misfortunes (apart from the miafortune of being a terrible politician) waa the unrealistically high expectations centrists had of him.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,001
    boulay said:

    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

    Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

    "He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

    Is that the dude people kept ramping as the next PM basically because he has a good jawline?
    I’ve warmed to him. A few months ago he was giving it large on social media doing ice climbing with the marines and joining parts of Arctic exercises which I thought was a bit egotistical however I have since seen him doing talks on social media and he seems to have his heart in the right place, no mad policies and it would be nice to have someone who cuts through the bullshit and straight talks which is what he has been doing online. Fair enough I’m a Tory so clearly he has no hope with the Labour left but I don’t think he would be a bad choice.

    Would also be fucking funny him meeting Hegseth, Vance and Trump and see them try and accuse the UK of not being there when he could just flash his military cross and ask them how their service in the special forces in Iraq and Afghanistan went.
    He has no hope with the Labour left, this is true. And not a great deal more with the Labour centre or right. A rather 'up himself' unit imo. It wouldn't surprise me if he actually said with a grave portentous face, "I understand the next war".
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,218
    dixiedean said:

    Reform need to stop doing politics by X.
    A couple of people have mentioned outside canvassers bringing up the scandal of Burnham's "million pound house".
    To folk who've actually been to Golborne.

    A lie is half way around the World before the truth has got its trousers on is the USP of X.

    The truth no longer matters, e.g. Farage quoting Andrew Tate's X account dogshite.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,180
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    According to @ArmyCGS, the @BritishArmy is THE leader in European land warfare. The views I get from Euro NATO forces are closer to @larisamlbrown
    ones.
    “You have massive problems, it is sheer arrogance to think you can still assert the same claim to leadership in Nato.”

    https://x.com/FTusa284/status/2069443578917462356

    Anyone who thinks Ukraine doesn't have the best and leading ground forces in Europe is completely deluding themselves.
    Not ideal for the CGS.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,063
    kinabalu said:

    boulay said:

    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

    Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

    "He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

    Is that the dude people kept ramping as the next PM basically because he has a good jawline?
    I’ve warmed to him. A few months ago he was giving it large on social media doing ice climbing with the marines and joining parts of Arctic exercises which I thought was a bit egotistical however I have since seen him doing talks on social media and he seems to have his heart in the right place, no mad policies and it would be nice to have someone who cuts through the bullshit and straight talks which is what he has been doing online. Fair enough I’m a Tory so clearly he has no hope with the Labour left but I don’t think he would be a bad choice.

    Would also be fucking funny him meeting Hegseth, Vance and Trump and see them try and accuse the UK of not being there when he could just flash his military cross and ask them how their service in the special forces in Iraq and Afghanistan went.
    He has no hope with the Labour left, this is true. And not a great deal more with the Labour centre or right. A rather 'up himself' unit imo. It wouldn't surprise me if he actually said with a grave portentous face, "I understand the next war".
    I don’t mind him being slightly “up himself”, he’s sort of earned it from his start in life and his career. Starmer was up himself too with his grave and portentous face, “the grown ups are in the room”.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,574

    dixiedean said:

    Reform need to stop doing politics by X.
    A couple of people have mentioned outside canvassers bringing up the scandal of Burnham's "million pound house".
    To folk who've actually been to Golborne.

    A lie is half way around the World before the truth has got its trousers on is the USP of X.

    The truth no longer matters, e.g. Farage quoting Andrew Tate's X account dogshite.
    Or maybe it still matters to most, which may be part explanation of the Makerfield result?

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,117



    Sunil was defenestrated by a comprehensive general election defeat

    Me?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,180
    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    According to @ArmyCGS, the @BritishArmy is THE leader in European land warfare. The views I get from Euro NATO forces are closer to @larisamlbrown
    ones.
    “You have massive problems, it is sheer arrogance to think you can still assert the same claim to leadership in Nato.”

    https://x.com/FTusa284/status/2069443578917462356

    It’s weird because outside of the two world wars we’ve never aimed to be or planned to be a European Land War giant.

    We probably still have the best expeditionary forces in Europe but not for big land wars - and that’s fine if the navy is working and the airforce is strong but at the moment we seem to be lacking there too.

    Honestly I don’t think being a huge land army should be our remit - leave that to Germany and the Poles who would be at the forefront of any war v Russia. We should be focussed on other areas, especially naval protection for the North Atlantic, North Sea and Baltic. Lots of submarine drones would be a start. If the army is small but very highly trained for specific tasks I’m ok with that.
    I think (FWIW) gathered are a load of army bods in denial about their relevance, or lack of it.

    Thee are some must haves (air defence, for example); our being able to field armour in Europe is long since not among those things.

    And unless we can actually spend 5%+ on our military, must haves is what we have to prioritise.

    Making those choices will piss off a lot of people.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,001
    edited 6:12PM
    Cookie said:

    This is good news for Burnham. One of Starmer's misfortunes (apart from the miafortune of being a terrible politician) waa the unrealistically high expectations centrists had of him.

    Agreed. The lower the expectations the better for Burnham. But a quibble. 'Centrists' don't by and large hate Starmer. That comes from the right, the left, and (the killer) a lot of what I'm going to call 'ordinary people'. Often very ordinary, if you ask me, but let's not be like that. Gets you nowhere.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,185

    Andy_JS said:

    I’ve been off yesterday and today, but I’m working the next seven days straight

    I’m dreading the next couple..

    Please be kind to your posties this week

    Genuine thanks for the valuable work you and your colleagues do.
    Like delivering the leaflet saying 2nd class letters will be delivered only three days a week.
    I'm still waiting for mine...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,180
    algarkirk said:

    Nigelb said:

    British people need to stop being such miserable c**ts.

    It does feel like we've become a nation of moaners. Collectively, we seem to know what we don't like but where's the positive enthusiasm for anything?
    I'm thoroughly enjoying the current heat wave.
    Inverness might hit close to 20C over the next couple of days.
    I remember a family holiday in Inverness when I was a kid, and resenting the absence of proper summer.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,001
    edited 6:17PM
    boulay said:

    kinabalu said:

    boulay said:

    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

    Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

    "He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

    Is that the dude people kept ramping as the next PM basically because he has a good jawline?
    I’ve warmed to him. A few months ago he was giving it large on social media doing ice climbing with the marines and joining parts of Arctic exercises which I thought was a bit egotistical however I have since seen him doing talks on social media and he seems to have his heart in the right place, no mad policies and it would be nice to have someone who cuts through the bullshit and straight talks which is what he has been doing online. Fair enough I’m a Tory so clearly he has no hope with the Labour left but I don’t think he would be a bad choice.

    Would also be fucking funny him meeting Hegseth, Vance and Trump and see them try and accuse the UK of not being there when he could just flash his military cross and ask them how their service in the special forces in Iraq and Afghanistan went.
    He has no hope with the Labour left, this is true. And not a great deal more with the Labour centre or right. A rather 'up himself' unit imo. It wouldn't surprise me if he actually said with a grave portentous face, "I understand the next war".
    I don’t mind him being slightly “up himself”, he’s sort of earned it from his start in life and his career. Starmer was up himself too with his grave and portentous face, “the grown ups are in the room”.
    Let's just agree, you and I, that we don't want grave portentous faces saying things like "the adults are in the room" or "I understand the next war".

    I think we're safe from this sort of thing with Andy Burnham. Really hope so anyway.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,636
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    According to @ArmyCGS, the @BritishArmy is THE leader in European land warfare. The views I get from Euro NATO forces are closer to @larisamlbrown
    ones.
    “You have massive problems, it is sheer arrogance to think you can still assert the same claim to leadership in Nato.”

    https://x.com/FTusa284/status/2069443578917462356

    Anyone who thinks Ukraine doesn't have the best and leading ground forces in Europe is completely deluding themselves.
    As I understand it, we are no longer training Ukrainian troops. We have nothing to teach them.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,729

    dixiedean said:

    Reform need to stop doing politics by X.
    A couple of people have mentioned outside canvassers bringing up the scandal of Burnham's "million pound house".
    To folk who've actually been to Golborne.

    A lie is half way around the World before the truth has got its trousers on is the USP of X.

    The truth no longer matters, e.g. Farage quoting Andrew Tate's X account dogshite.
    Funnily enough not many cared about media fibs while they were largely the preserve of Tory newspapers attacking Labour or more recently Brexiteers and CCHQ using social media adverts. X has just democratised who can make stuff up.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,457

    Boris was thrown out because of cumulative scandal

    Truss was ejected because of the markets, however that happened

    Sunil was defenestrated by a comprehensive general election defeat

    Sir Keirdaver is being thrown out because only about four people like him

    And he won the biggest majority

    Politics can be fucking weird..

    All those ejections really are for the same reason really - the fear of unelectability. That is what motivated Tory MPs to remove Boris and Truss, and if you believe the rumours (and I do) they were about to move against Sunil, that's why he called a GE.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,207
    George Galloway has popped up on the Russian propagandist Vladimir Soloviev's show:

    https://x.com/vrsoloviev/status/2069480020754477075
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,218

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    According to @ArmyCGS, the @BritishArmy is THE leader in European land warfare. The views I get from Euro NATO forces are closer to @larisamlbrown
    ones.
    “You have massive problems, it is sheer arrogance to think you can still assert the same claim to leadership in Nato.”

    https://x.com/FTusa284/status/2069443578917462356

    Anyone who thinks Ukraine doesn't have the best and leading ground forces in Europe is completely deluding themselves.
    As I understand it, we are no longer training Ukrainian troops. We have nothing to teach them.
    A casualty of Reeves's DIPshit?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,978
    Burnham is being told the Civil Service truth about what he can do

    How lefty can he afford to be?

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,179

    Boris was thrown out because of cumulative scandal

    Truss was ejected because of the markets, however that happened

    Sunil was defenestrated by a comprehensive general election defeat

    Sir Keirdaver is being thrown out because only about four people like him

    And he won the biggest majority

    Politics can be fucking weird..

    All those ejections really are for the same reason really - the fear of unelectability. That is what motivated Tory MPs to remove Boris and Truss, and if you believe the rumours (and I do) they were about to move against Sunil, that's why he called a GE.
    Truss was different - she was removed rapidly because Tory MPs rightly or wrongly* thought she was about to crater the economy.

    (*Obviously rightly, imo.)
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,749

    Boris was thrown out because of cumulative scandal

    Truss was ejected because of the markets, however that happened

    Sunil was defenestrated by a comprehensive general election defeat

    Sir Keirdaver is being thrown out because only about four people like him

    And he won the biggest majority

    Politics can be fucking weird..

    All those ejections really are for the same reason really - the fear of unelectability. That is what motivated Tory MPs to remove Boris and Truss, and if you believe the rumours (and I do) they were about to move against Sunil, that's why he called a GE.
    It'll be the tedious repetitive jokes.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,035
    edited 6:23PM
    Cookie said:

    This is good news for Burnham. One of Starmer's misfortunes (apart from the miafortune of being a terrible politician) waa the unrealistically high expectations centrists had of him.

    Indeed. Knowing right from wrong. Having a plan. Not recruiting friends over actual talent. Not accepting expensive gifts. Not throwing colleagues under the bus. Not lying on an industrial scale. How dare we expect such things. How dare we.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,218

    George Galloway has popped up on the Russian propagandist Vladimir Soloviev's show:

    https://x.com/vrsoloviev/status/2069480020754477075

    How else does a candidate present his mayoralty manifesto to the good burghers of Madchester?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,207
    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2069483594796409077

    NEW: Rachel Reeves is set to accept a junior Cabinet position after Andy Burnham sacks her as Chancellor

    [@FT]
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,393

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2069483594796409077

    NEW: Rachel Reeves is set to accept a junior Cabinet position after Andy Burnham sacks her as Chancellor

    [@FT]

    Not her first demotion, we remember.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,001
    edited 6:29PM

    Farage: "people inherit money all the time"

    Julia Hartley-Brewer: "He's not your dad. He's a billionaire who lives on the other side of the planet"

    Brilliant.

    Perhaps Farage has clocked the staggering amount of grift that his hero across the pond is managing to get away with and assumed he could take a leaf. It's a flashing alarm on what would likely happen if he does get to number ten.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,457

    Boris was thrown out because of cumulative scandal

    Truss was ejected because of the markets, however that happened

    Sunil was defenestrated by a comprehensive general election defeat

    Sir Keirdaver is being thrown out because only about four people like him

    And he won the biggest majority

    Politics can be fucking weird..

    All those ejections really are for the same reason really - the fear of unelectability. That is what motivated Tory MPs to remove Boris and Truss, and if you believe the rumours (and I do) they were about to move against Sunil, that's why he called a GE.
    Truss was different - she was removed rapidly because Tory MPs rightly or wrongly* thought she was about to crater the economy.

    (*Obviously rightly, imo.)
    No she wasn't. Tory MPs would have been quite happy for Truss to have cratered the economy if she'd done so whilst polling higher than Labour. It was cratering in the polls they were concerned about.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,457
    dixiedean said:

    Boris was thrown out because of cumulative scandal

    Truss was ejected because of the markets, however that happened

    Sunil was defenestrated by a comprehensive general election defeat

    Sir Keirdaver is being thrown out because only about four people like him

    And he won the biggest majority

    Politics can be fucking weird..

    All those ejections really are for the same reason really - the fear of unelectability. That is what motivated Tory MPs to remove Boris and Truss, and if you believe the rumours (and I do) they were about to move against Sunil, that's why he called a GE.
    It'll be the tedious repetitive jokes.
    Naught but Remain propaganda!
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,063

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2069483594796409077

    NEW: Rachel Reeves is set to accept a junior Cabinet position after Andy Burnham sacks her as Chancellor

    [@FT]

    Did I fall asleep for a few weeks and miss Burnham becoming PM? How can he sack her if he isn’t PM yet?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,117
    dixiedean said:

    Boris was thrown out because of cumulative scandal

    Truss was ejected because of the markets, however that happened

    Sunil was defenestrated by a comprehensive general election defeat

    Sir Keirdaver is being thrown out because only about four people like him

    And he won the biggest majority

    Politics can be fucking weird..

    All those ejections really are for the same reason really - the fear of unelectability. That is what motivated Tory MPs to remove Boris and Truss, and if you believe the rumours (and I do) they were about to move against Sunil, that's why he called a GE.
    It'll be the tedious repetitive jokes.
    Burnham's not the Messiah!

    He's a very Northern Boy!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,180

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    According to @ArmyCGS, the @BritishArmy is THE leader in European land warfare. The views I get from Euro NATO forces are closer to @larisamlbrown
    ones.
    “You have massive problems, it is sheer arrogance to think you can still assert the same claim to leadership in Nato.”

    https://x.com/FTusa284/status/2069443578917462356

    Anyone who thinks Ukraine doesn't have the best and leading ground forces in Europe is completely deluding themselves.
    As I understand it, we are no longer training Ukrainian troops. We have nothing to teach them.
    A casualty of Reeves's DIPshit?
    No, we genuinely weren't teaching them anything useful. That's on the army, not Reeves.

    The rest of Europe was no different, tbf.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,978
    dixiedean said:

    Boris was thrown out because of cumulative scandal

    Truss was ejected because of the markets, however that happened

    Sunil was defenestrated by a comprehensive general election defeat

    Sir Keirdaver is being thrown out because only about four people like him

    And he won the biggest majority

    Politics can be fucking weird..

    All those ejections really are for the same reason really - the fear of unelectability. That is what motivated Tory MPs to remove Boris and Truss, and if you believe the rumours (and I do) they were about to move against Sunil, that's why he called a GE.
    It'll be the tedious repetitive jokes.
    Repetitive jokes like Keirdaver?

    Which has been used precisely twice before this post?

    And Keirdaver is so good that everyone should be using it
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,117

    Burnham is being told the Civil Service truth about what he can do

    How lefty can he afford to be?

    Sunak is spelled Sunak, NOT Sunil!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,755
    Your occasional reminder that most voters hardly hear any politics or follow any news:


    David Yelland
    @davidyelland
    ·
    1h
    Andy Burnham may be a lucky general, Nigel Farage has lost the country in 24 hours, although that has been coming for weeks. Seismic stuff.

    https://x.com/davidyelland/status/2069472028726284746




  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,063
    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    According to @ArmyCGS, the @BritishArmy is THE leader in European land warfare. The views I get from Euro NATO forces are closer to @larisamlbrown
    ones.
    “You have massive problems, it is sheer arrogance to think you can still assert the same claim to leadership in Nato.”

    https://x.com/FTusa284/status/2069443578917462356

    Anyone who thinks Ukraine doesn't have the best and leading ground forces in Europe is completely deluding themselves.
    As I understand it, we are no longer training Ukrainian troops. We have nothing to teach them.
    A casualty of Reeves's DIPshit?
    No, we genuinely weren't teaching them anything useful. That's on the army, not Reeves.

    The rest of Europe was no different, tbf.
    I don’t think that’s any fault of the army. They taught them and then as the war went on and developed they had to learn new tactics on the hoof, and very well by the look of things, but as it changed into a new type of war standard infantry tactics had limited benefit and they can use the basic infantry tactics their guys learnt and teach the bits that apply to recruits themselves now.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,729
    Is Andy Burnham cool?

    The Rest is Entertainment evaluates Andy Burnham's album choices.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d57qL-Jyp2w&t=1317s
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,319
    boulay said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2069483594796409077

    NEW: Rachel Reeves is set to accept a junior Cabinet position after Andy Burnham sacks her as Chancellor

    [@FT]

    Did I fall asleep for a few weeks and miss Burnham becoming PM? How can he sack her if he isn’t PM yet?
    I think that's in the future. English is a Germanic language, it has two tenses, past and non-past.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,520

    Your occasional reminder that most voters hardly hear any politics or follow any news:


    David Yelland
    @davidyelland
    ·
    1h
    Andy Burnham may be a lucky general, Nigel Farage has lost the country in 24 hours, although that has been coming for weeks. Seismic stuff.

    https://x.com/davidyelland/status/2069472028726284746




    What's this "lost the country" thing all about?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,978



    Sunil was defenestrated by a comprehensive general election defeat

    Me?
    Sorry Sunil

    I’ve addressed you more than Sunak for a while, so I’d like to blame autocorrect. But I still didn’t check it..
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,457
    edited 6:41PM
    carnforth said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2069483594796409077

    NEW: Rachel Reeves is set to accept a junior Cabinet position after Andy Burnham sacks her as Chancellor

    [@FT]

    Not her first demotion, we remember.
    Good luck to her if she's being moved to head up the complaints department again.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,063

    boulay said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2069483594796409077

    NEW: Rachel Reeves is set to accept a junior Cabinet position after Andy Burnham sacks her as Chancellor

    [@FT]

    Did I fall asleep for a few weeks and miss Burnham becoming PM? How can he sack her if he isn’t PM yet?
    I think that's in the future. English is a Germanic language, it has two tenses, past and non-past.
    I have re-read and yes I can see how it was meant to read but probably “when” would have made more sense than “after”.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,520

    ydoethur said:

    https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

    Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

    "He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

    Al_Carns has about as much chance of getting the MP nominations and defeating Burnham with the members as his near namesake, Northern_Al.
    I dunno. I'd vote for you as Prime Minister even though I'd have some reservations about your line on the DfE.
    Cheers mate. I hereby offer to recuse myself from any DfE or associated education decisions. In fact, I may even abolish the DfE, just for you.
    How do you feel about abolishing VAT on cat food?
    Absolutely not. But dog food, yes, as there are two in my household, both belonging to my better half.
    Cats are better than dogs, though.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,606

    Burnham won't have Starmer's utter tin-ear for politics, so an improvement on that front, but that will only carry him for so long.

    Ultimately, as @Cyclefree said, the problem is Labour's policies.

    He must clean out the stables, get shot of most of the mediocre cabinet who are less than useless. Get some new blood in with ideas and start massive changes to the whole crap structure. Until benefits are cut , triple lock changed , do something to sort out the shambles of a tax system and immigration sorted ( ie the illegal parts and the laissez faire policy of letting any old distant family member follow ) they will continue to slide to oblivion.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,180
    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    According to @ArmyCGS, the @BritishArmy is THE leader in European land warfare. The views I get from Euro NATO forces are closer to @larisamlbrown
    ones.
    “You have massive problems, it is sheer arrogance to think you can still assert the same claim to leadership in Nato.”

    https://x.com/FTusa284/status/2069443578917462356

    Anyone who thinks Ukraine doesn't have the best and leading ground forces in Europe is completely deluding themselves.
    As I understand it, we are no longer training Ukrainian troops. We have nothing to teach them.
    A casualty of Reeves's DIPshit?
    No, we genuinely weren't teaching them anything useful. That's on the army, not Reeves.

    The rest of Europe was no different, tbf.
    I don’t think that’s any fault of the army. They taught them and then as the war went on and developed they had to learn new tactics on the hoof, and very well by the look of things, but as it changed into a new type of war standard infantry tactics had limited benefit and they can use the basic infantry tactics their guys learnt and teach the bits that apply to recruits themselves now.
    Not, it's not. But it does show very clearly that our current forces and training are obsolete.

    It's not about blame. The question is how defence policy deals with that going forward.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,520
    Whenever we have weather like this, I see far more elderly couples walking around outside than usual. Reality versus what's supposed to happen according to the media, etc.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,636

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2069483594796409077

    NEW: Rachel Reeves is set to accept a junior Cabinet position after Andy Burnham sacks her as Chancellor

    [@FT]

    Chief Secretary to the Treasury would take some swallowing.....
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,180
    Actually quite amusing from Favey.
    https://x.com/EdwardJDavey/status/2069457090310017071
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,729
    Team to kick off: 1/2 England – 6/4 Ghana. Not 50/50. Bet365. Hat-tip Betfair forum which wonders if Ghana has a record of choosing ends.

    Look for boosts on tonight's game eg Hills go Evens to lead at half-time.

    DYOR.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,207

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2069483594796409077

    NEW: Rachel Reeves is set to accept a junior Cabinet position after Andy Burnham sacks her as Chancellor

    [@FT]

    Chief Secretary to the Treasury would take some swallowing.....
    Minister for Public Engagement, aka the government complaints department.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,978
    King of the North?

    He’s no Jack Duckworth
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,319
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2069483594796409077

    NEW: Rachel Reeves is set to accept a junior Cabinet position after Andy Burnham sacks her as Chancellor

    [@FT]

    Did I fall asleep for a few weeks and miss Burnham becoming PM? How can he sack her if he isn’t PM yet?
    I think that's in the future. English is a Germanic language, it has two tenses, past and non-past.
    I have re-read and yes I can see how it was meant to read but probably “when” would have made more sense than “after”.
    "is set to" clearly marks it as future time. You can 100% use the "present" tense in English to refer to the future. After is either, depending on the tense it is linked with, just like when
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,222
    Andy_JS said:

    Re Australia, it's interesting how little publicity there's been of the fact that multiple opinion polls over there are showing that Pauline Hanson's One Nation party could go from zero seats in the House of Representatives to almost winning an overall majority.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Australian_federal_election#Voting_intention

    https://theconversation.com/one-nations-surge-continues-in-polls-as-andy-burnham-set-to-become-next-uk-pm-285609


    How many parties like One Nation, AFD and Reform go on to translate opinion poll leads into actually winning general elections though?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,520
    "Stop pretending EU's new border system is working, says airports chief"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4rlzrdj14o
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,755

    King of the North?

    He’s no Jack Duckworth

    Wasn't he Cock of the North?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,755
    Politics UK
    @PolitlcsUK
    ·
    47m
    🚨 NEW: Rachel Reeves is set to accept a junior Cabinet position after Andy Burnham sacks her as Chancellor

    [
    @FT
    ]
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,180

    Your vet will never tell you this, but to help your dog in a heatwave, the best thing to do is to get some mustard.

    Apparently, it’s the best thing for a hot dog.

    Red sauce or brown sauce ?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,185

    Politics UK
    @PolitlcsUK
    ·
    47m
    🚨 NEW: Rachel Reeves is set to accept a junior Cabinet position after Andy Burnham sacks her as Chancellor

    [
    @FT
    ]

    Are you posting from the future?

    If so could we have the exact score for tonights match please?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,442
    Andy_JS said:

    "Stop pretending EU's new border system is working, says airports chief"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4rlzrdj14o

    I've been in and out 3 times since the start. It's working fine. If they miss you on the way in or if you mess up on the way in, you'll be scanned on the way out.

    It's something to do with controlling borders .....a fashionable approach these days that we could learn about.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,113

    Your vet will never tell you this, but to help your dog in a heatwave, the best thing to do is to get some mustard.

    Apparently, it’s the best thing for a hot dog.

    Jumping frog.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,636
    Battlebus said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Stop pretending EU's new border system is working, says airports chief"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4rlzrdj14o

    I've been in and out 3 times since the start. It's working fine. If they miss you on the way in or if you mess up on the way in, you'll be scanned on the way out.

    It's something to do with controlling borders .....a fashionable approach these days that we could learn about.
    Less than a minute in and out of Nice airport last week.

    Takes longer to get through the gates at Paddington.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,185
    edited 7:11PM

    Team to kick off: 1/2 England – 6/4 Ghana. Not 50/50. Bet365. Hat-tip Betfair forum which wonders if Ghana has a record of choosing ends.

    Look for boosts on tonight's game eg Hills go Evens to lead at half-time.

    DYOR.

    Leicester City's Jordan Ayew up front and captaining Ghana. He couldn't score in a brothel.

    Leicester City's Abdul Fatawu on the bench, likely to come on as an impact sub. A bit of a show pony but it sometimes works.

    I note from C4 news that we have 3 players with some Ghanaian heritage in the England squad.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,636

    Your vet will never tell you this, but to help your dog in a heatwave, the best thing to do is to get some mustard.

    Apparently, it’s the best thing for a hot dog.

    Jumping frog.
    Albequerque temperatures.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,218
    edited 7:09PM
    .

    King of the North?

    He’s no Jack Duckworth

    Wasn't he Cock of the North?
    Burnham is just a cock from the North.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,520
    Any predictions for the score? I'm going for 6-0 England.
  • https://x.com/barney_h_y/status/2069338488856592600

    From a very credible Labour source:

    - Wes Streeting promised the Chancellorship for not running.

    - Capital gains raised to match income tax. Possible exit tax.

    - Economic focus: devolution, plus state ownership of cost-of-living essentials (energy, water, transport).
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,122
    Andy_JS said:

    Any predictions for the score? I'm going for 6-0 England.

    1-0 to Ghana
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,185
    Andy_JS said:

    Any predictions for the score? I'm going for 6-0 England.

    Should be a comfortable win, but our defence is a bit ropey, so wouldn't expect a clean sheet. 4:1 England
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,218
    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    According to @ArmyCGS, the @BritishArmy is THE leader in European land warfare. The views I get from Euro NATO forces are closer to @larisamlbrown
    ones.
    “You have massive problems, it is sheer arrogance to think you can still assert the same claim to leadership in Nato.”

    https://x.com/FTusa284/status/2069443578917462356

    Anyone who thinks Ukraine doesn't have the best and leading ground forces in Europe is completely deluding themselves.
    As I understand it, we are no longer training Ukrainian troops. We have nothing to teach them.
    A casualty of Reeves's DIPshit?
    No, we genuinely weren't teaching them anything useful. That's on the army, not Reeves.

    The rest of Europe was no different, tbf.
    Boris already taught them all they need to know.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,207
    Andy_JS said:

    Any predictions for the score? I'm going for 6-0 England.

    Are they using tennis scoring?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,549

    Nigelb said:

    The Burnham's wife story seems rather thin.

    The CAZ was set up (in 2022) in response to a legal mandate from the then Tory government; reportedly, Burnham recused himself from involvement in the details because his wife had done marketing work for one of the companies involved.

    Two years later she became a marketing director of said company.

    It was publicly aired both in 2022 and 2024.

    Unless there's something new, this is warming over pretty thin, old gruel, but good luck to the UK press in explaining exactly why this is a scandal.

    Melania Trump got $28 million for the documentary about her, a film whose total box office take to date is less than $17 million.

    The Pentagon has lent $620 million to a start-up partly owned by Donald Trump Jnr.

    President Trump lowered tariffs on Vietnam after negotiations that included Vietnam fast-tracking a Trump Organization golf resort.

    The US Air Force is spending an undisclosed amount of money in drones from Powerus, a company with links to Eric and Donald Jnr.

    Eric and Don Jnr partly own a Kazakhstan mine that received $1.6 billion from the US government.

    Jared Kushner has received over $110 million from the Saudi government, while also leading US diplomatic negotiations with Iran.

    Another defense company backed by Eric Trump received $24 million from the Pentagon.

    I’m just trying to remind @Sandpit what real corruption looks like.
    That’s off the charts corruption. The benchmark for acceptable behaviour is far lower
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,927

    Andy_JS said:

    Any predictions for the score? I'm going for 6-0 England.

    Are they using tennis scoring?
    If we get a 7-6 that will be worth watching.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,837
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    According to @ArmyCGS, the @BritishArmy is THE leader in European land warfare. The views I get from Euro NATO forces are closer to @larisamlbrown
    ones.
    “You have massive problems, it is sheer arrogance to think you can still assert the same claim to leadership in Nato.”

    https://x.com/FTusa284/status/2069443578917462356

    Anyone who thinks Ukraine doesn't have the best and leading ground forces in Europe is completely deluding themselves.
    It's getting to the point where I'm embarrassed to be British.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,606
    Battlebus said:

    kinabalu said:

    Battlebus said:

    algarkirk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Farage is going to lose the "normal guy" and charisma/charm battle with Andy Burnham. Not sure what he can do about it. Serious situation for Reform imo.

    Agree. for practical purposes write off any chance of a Reform government in 2028/9. The balloon has burst, scattering five million used pound notes and great thoughts about celebrity bottoms into the air.

    I hope the Tories will have Danny Kruger back in due course. But not the others.
    It's noticeable that someone like Kruger has made no impact in Reform such is the control of Farage. A waste to both Reform and to himself. However if he stays any longer, then questions will be asked about his judgment.
    I can conceive of only 2 reasons why a Tory politician would switch to Reform and neither are savoury.

    1. Pure careerism. They've looked at the polls and calculate better personal prospects.

    2. Nativist ideology. They believe in closed borders and mass deportations of 'not proper' Brits.
    I understood he was going to advise Farage on how Benefits work in the UK and what might be done about it (Paging Malc and Taz). However Burnham has his own heavyweight for that area in the shape of Kate Green.

    TLDR: Her background with CPAG strongly suggests there won't be much of a cutback in that area. CPAG are *the* leading experts in this area and their published handbooks are the go to source for benefits and other related advice,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Green

    For those that want to fact check the Daily Mail, Telegraph and Express you can purchase an online version of Benefits for Migrants Handbook here. It's now in its 15th edition.

    https://askcpag.org.uk/?id=-258291

    Andy should give me a call, need to be more than an MP's wage mind you, and I would sort out benefits, In about those weaselly civil servants with a big stick and a scythe. All spongers out picking litter and beautifying the streets and countryside. Maximum benefits at minimum wage and if you can walk you work.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,117

    dixiedean said:

    Boris was thrown out because of cumulative scandal

    Truss was ejected because of the markets, however that happened

    Sunil was defenestrated by a comprehensive general election defeat

    Sir Keirdaver is being thrown out because only about four people like him

    And he won the biggest majority

    Politics can be fucking weird..

    All those ejections really are for the same reason really - the fear of unelectability. That is what motivated Tory MPs to remove Boris and Truss, and if you believe the rumours (and I do) they were about to move against Sunil, that's why he called a GE.
    It'll be the tedious repetitive jokes.
    Repetitive jokes like Keirdaver?

    Which has been used precisely twice before this post?

    And Keirdaver is so good that everyone should be using it
    Dixie was referring to me of course.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,001
    edited 7:28PM
    Andy_JS said:

    Any predictions for the score? I'm going for 6-0 England.

    1/0 us.
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