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Brits more pessimistic than optimistic about Starmer being replaced – politicalbetting.com

With Starmer set to be replaced as PM, how does this make Britons feel about the future of the UK?All BritonsMore optimistic: 21%No difference: 43%More pessimistic: 24%2024 Labour votersMore optimistic: 34%No difference: 38%More pessimistic: 19%yougov.com/en-gb/daily-…

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kinabalu

First!

Sunil_Prasannan

Second like Streeting?

eek

So a 3% difference when 38% really don't see things being different.

My suspicion is that that tells you more about the mental state of the people being questioned more than anything useful

Barnesian

So Tories and Reform supporters feel more pessimistic about the future with Burnham in charge.

Could that be because they see Burnham as a bigger threat to their parties? Seems logical.

Nigelb

The Burnham's wife story seems rather thin.

The CAZ was set up (in 2022) in response to a legal mandate from the then Tory government; reportedly, Burnham recused himself from involvement in the details because his wife had done marketing work for one of the companies involved.

Two years later she became a marketing director of said company.

It was publicly aired both in 2022 and 2024.

Unless there's something new, this is warming over pretty thin, old gruel, but good luck to the UK press in explaining exactly why this is a scandal.

dixiedean

Nigelb said:

The Burnham's wife story seems rather thin.

The CAZ was set up (in 2022) in response to a legal mandate from the then Tory government; reportedly, Burnham recused himself from involvement in the details because his wife had done marketing work for one of the companies involved.

Two years later she became a marketing director of said company.

It was publicly aired both in 2022 and 2024.

Unless there's something new, this is warming over pretty thin, old gruel, but good luck to the UK press in explaining exactly why this is a scandal.

Heavily deployed Online in Makerfield to little effect.

eek

dixiedean said:

Nigelb said:

The Burnham's wife story seems rather thin.

The CAZ was set up (in 2022) in response to a legal mandate from the then Tory government; reportedly, Burnham recused himself from involvement in the details because his wife had done marketing work for one of the companies involved.

Two years later she became a marketing director of said company.

It was publicly aired both in 2022 and 2024.

Unless there's something new, this is warming over pretty thin, old gruel, but good luck to the UK press in explaining exactly why this is a scandal.

Heavily deployed Online in Makerfield to little effect.

And as that's the best they can find it also shows how clean Burnham is relative to say Kemi let alone Farage

Andy_JS

On topic: the Westminster village might have misread the room again? How surprising.

kinabalu

Barnesian said:

So Tories and Reform supporters feel more pessimistic about the future with Burnham in charge.

Could that be because they see Burnham as a bigger threat to their parties? Seems logical.

By the same token I'm more optimistic because the people who will most miss Keir Starmer and his subterranean approval ratings are Nigel Farage and Reform.

dixiedean

eek said:

dixiedean said:

Nigelb said:

The Burnham's wife story seems rather thin.

The CAZ was set up (in 2022) in response to a legal mandate from the then Tory government; reportedly, Burnham recused himself from involvement in the details because his wife had done marketing work for one of the companies involved.

Two years later she became a marketing director of said company.

It was publicly aired both in 2022 and 2024.

Unless there's something new, this is warming over pretty thin, old gruel, but good luck to the UK press in explaining exactly why this is a scandal.

Heavily deployed Online in Makerfield to little effect.

And as that's the best they can find it also shows how clean Burnham is relative to say Kemi let alone Farage

He's not one motivated by money. Nor is his Missus.
That's why they have lived in a nondescript street in Golborne for twenty years.

dixiedean

Deleted duplicate.

FF43

kinabalu said:

Barnesian said:

So Tories and Reform supporters feel more pessimistic about the future with Burnham in charge.

Could that be because they see Burnham as a bigger threat to their parties? Seems logical.

By the same token I'm more optimistic because the people who will most miss Keir Starmer and his subterranean approval ratings are Nigel Farage and Reform.

This is key. Anything that makes a Farage government less likely is good.

Indirectly benefits the Tories for the same reasons.

stodge

Nigelb said:

The Burnham's wife story seems rather thin.

The CAZ was set up (in 2022) in response to a legal mandate from the then Tory government; reportedly, Burnham recused himself from involvement in the details because his wife had done marketing work for one of the companies involved.

Two years later she became a marketing director of said company.

It was publicly aired both in 2022 and 2024.

Unless there's something new, this is warming over pretty thin, old gruel, but good luck to the UK press in explaining exactly why this is a scandal.

Those who are vehemently anti-Burnham (and of course anti-Labour) are looking around for any old schtick they can use to destabilise the possible new Prime Minister.

Tweets from 15-20 years ago, the wife etc, etc.

Northern_Al

dixiedean said:

eek said:

dixiedean said:

Nigelb said:

The Burnham's wife story seems rather thin.

The CAZ was set up (in 2022) in response to a legal mandate from the then Tory government; reportedly, Burnham recused himself from involvement in the details because his wife had done marketing work for one of the companies involved.

Two years later she became a marketing director of said company.

It was publicly aired both in 2022 and 2024.

Unless there's something new, this is warming over pretty thin, old gruel, but good luck to the UK press in explaining exactly why this is a scandal.

Heavily deployed Online in Makerfield to little effect.

And as that's the best they can find it also shows how clean Burnham is relative to say Kemi let alone Farage

He's not one motivated by money. Nor is his Missus.
That's why they have lived in a nondescript street in Golborne for twenty years.

I hear they'll be moving upmarket round about July 18th.

BartholomewRoberts

stodge said:

Nigelb said:

The Burnham's wife story seems rather thin.

The CAZ was set up (in 2022) in response to a legal mandate from the then Tory government; reportedly, Burnham recused himself from involvement in the details because his wife had done marketing work for one of the companies involved.

Two years later she became a marketing director of said company.

It was publicly aired both in 2022 and 2024.

Unless there's something new, this is warming over pretty thin, old gruel, but good luck to the UK press in explaining exactly why this is a scandal.

Those who are vehemently anti-Burnham (and of course anti-Labour) are looking around for any old schtick they can use to destabilise the possible new Prime Minister.

Tweets from 15-20 years ago, the wife etc, etc.

Politics as normal.

All sides do that.

BlancheLivermore

stodge said:

Nigelb said:

The Burnham's wife story seems rather thin.

The CAZ was set up (in 2022) in response to a legal mandate from the then Tory government; reportedly, Burnham recused himself from involvement in the details because his wife had done marketing work for one of the companies involved.

Two years later she became a marketing director of said company.

It was publicly aired both in 2022 and 2024.

Unless there's something new, this is warming over pretty thin, old gruel, but good luck to the UK press in explaining exactly why this is a scandal.

Those who are vehemently anti-Burnham (and of course anti-Labour) are looking around for any old schtick they can use to destabilise the possible new Prime Minister.

Tweets from 15-20 years ago, the wife etc, etc.

I hope that the Prime Messiah is spotless

Andy_JS

Re Australia, it's interesting how little publicity there's been of the fact that multiple opinion polls over there are showing that Pauline Hanson's One Nation party could go from zero seats in the House of Representatives to almost winning an overall majority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Australian_federal_election#Voting_intention

https://theconversation.com/one-nations-surge-continues-in-polls-as-andy-burnham-set-to-become-next-uk-pm-285609

PJH

eek said:

dixiedean said:

Nigelb said:

The Burnham's wife story seems rather thin.

The CAZ was set up (in 2022) in response to a legal mandate from the then Tory government; reportedly, Burnham recused himself from involvement in the details because his wife had done marketing work for one of the companies involved.

Two years later she became a marketing director of said company.

It was publicly aired both in 2022 and 2024.

Unless there's something new, this is warming over pretty thin, old gruel, but good luck to the UK press in explaining exactly why this is a scandal.

Heavily deployed Online in Makerfield to little effect.

And as that's the best they can find it also shows how clean Burnham is relative to say Kemi let alone Farage

My thoughts too. The Right Wing Media have had a year or more to go over Burnham's past in microscopic detail. If they had found anything in his private life affecting his suitability for office, we would have heard all about it. He certainly won't have been given Farage's easy ride.

This gives me some comfort, as although to me he appears to be a self-publicist who has a rather grander view of his own ability than appears to be supported by a more neutral assessment, he at least doesn't have the same personal defects as Johnson, who in other ways he resembles. I say this as someone who is unimpressed by him, and I think he will prove to be worse than Starmer. But I'm relieved we might be led by someone who doesn't appear to be on the make.

ydoethur

Andy_JS said:

Re Australia, it's interesting how little publicity there's been of the fact that multiple opinion polls over there are showing that Pauline Hanson's One Nation party could go from zero seats in the House of Representatives to almost winning an overall majority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Australian_federal_election#Voting_intention

https://theconversation.com/one-nations-surge-continues-in-polls-as-andy-burnham-set-to-become-next-uk-pm-285609

Possibly the only good thing about that is it shows it's not just this country that has lost its mind.

I keep Canada in mind as a hopeful alternative.

Casino_Royale

Burnham won't have Starmer's utter tin-ear for politics, so an improvement on that front, but that will only carry him for so long.

Ultimately, as @Cyclefree said, the problem is Labour's policies.

Casino_Royale

Andy_JS said:

Re Australia, it's interesting how little publicity there's been of the fact that multiple opinion polls over there are showing that Pauline Hanson's One Nation party could go from zero seats in the House of Representatives to almost winning an overall majority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Australian_federal_election#Voting_intention

https://theconversation.com/one-nations-surge-continues-in-polls-as-andy-burnham-set-to-become-next-uk-pm-285609

Is it Brexit? Trump?

dixiedean

Reform need to stop doing politics by X.
A couple of people have mentioned outside canvassers bringing up the scandal of Burnham's "million pound house".
To folk who've actually been to Golborne.

Taz

stodge said:

Nigelb said:

The Burnham's wife story seems rather thin.

The CAZ was set up (in 2022) in response to a legal mandate from the then Tory government; reportedly, Burnham recused himself from involvement in the details because his wife had done marketing work for one of the companies involved.

Two years later she became a marketing director of said company.

It was publicly aired both in 2022 and 2024.

Unless there's something new, this is warming over pretty thin, old gruel, but good luck to the UK press in explaining exactly why this is a scandal.

Those who are vehemently anti-Burnham (and of course anti-Labour) are looking around for any old schtick they can use to destabilise the possible new Prime Minister.

Tweets from 15-20 years ago, the wife etc, etc.

As they do with any leader

Farages schooldays for example

HYUFD

Clear partisan divide here. While 2024 Labour and Green voters are optimistic about the more leftwing Burnham replacing Starmer as PM, Tory and Reform voters are more pessimistic about the future of the country post Starmer with Burmham. LD voters equally divided

ydoethur

Casino_Royale said:

Burnham won't have Starmer's utter tin-ear for politics, so an improvement on that front, but that will only carry him for so long.

Ultimately, as @Cyclefree said, the problem is Labour's policies.

Ultimately, the problem is we are more skint than Edward III subtracted from Louis XVI and it's far too easy to think that crony capitalism by a comfortable cabal in business and politics who are still doing very nicely for themselves is to blame.

Partly, of course, because there are far too many people in business and politics who are doing very nicely for themselves at our expense, often by very dubious means.

But the proposed solutions of putting more of the same who are pretending to be different - Musk, Trump, Meloni, Orban, Hanson, Farage, Milei - in power is making things worse rather than better.

kle4

I see Farage and his generous friends are back in the news again. I'm sure his punchy response went down very well, but it does feel like one of those situations where even a finding that he was not obliged to declare it would still overall be a net negative, because I would think most people on the street don't care about the fine details, they just know that no one gifts someone else £5m without a) expecting something in return, or b) getting something in return even if there really was nothing expected.

You don't need to say 'Give me X' when you gift someone £5m to do with as they please, we all know we'd be very accommodating to that person in future if it happened to us, which is why it doesn't feel like it matters much whether Farage is right he did not have to declare it - we know he is in the dude's pocket, whether he thinks of it that way or not, whether either of them do. The strings are there whether you intend them.

Andy_JS

Head in hands moment.

"Stop training so many medical students, demand doctors
BMA members vote to cut intake as competition for specialist posts is ‘at an all-time high’" (£)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/23/stop-training-medical-students-demand-doctors/

williamglenn

https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

"He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

Malmesbury

Casino_Royale said:

Andy_JS said:

Re Australia, it's interesting how little publicity there's been of the fact that multiple opinion polls over there are showing that Pauline Hanson's One Nation party could go from zero seats in the House of Representatives to almost winning an overall majority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Australian_federal_election#Voting_intention

https://theconversation.com/one-nations-surge-continues-in-polls-as-andy-burnham-set-to-become-next-uk-pm-285609

Is it Brexit? Trump?

Massive cultural divide between the cities and rural areas.

Casino_Royale

ydoethur said:

Casino_Royale said:

Burnham won't have Starmer's utter tin-ear for politics, so an improvement on that front, but that will only carry him for so long.

Ultimately, as @Cyclefree said, the problem is Labour's policies.

Ultimately, the problem is we are more skint than Edward III subtracted from Louis XVI and it's far too easy to think that crony capitalism by a comfortable cabal in business and politics who are still doing very nicely for themselves is to blame.

Partly, of course, because there are far too many people in business and politics who are doing very nicely for themselves at our expense, often by very dubious means.

But the proposed solutions of putting more of the same who are pretending to be different - Musk, Trump, Meloni, Orban, Hanson, Farage, Milei - in power is making things worse rather than better.

The proposed solutions of those who pretend to be on the side of the common man, increasing tax and regulatory burdens on businesses to fund greater welfare spending and populist nationalisations that lead to worse services, driving up gilt rates in the process and increasing our borrowing, aren't the answer either.

That makes us even more skint, depresses growth and investment and leads to reduced economic security and worse quality of life.

Casino_Royale

kle4 said:

I see Farage and his generous friends are back in the news again. I'm sure his punchy response went down very well, but it does feel like one of those situations where even a finding that he was not obliged to declare it would still overall be a net negative, because I would think most people on the street don't care about the fine details, they just know that no one gifts someone else £5m without a) expecting something in return, or b) getting something in return even if there really was nothing expected.

You don't need to say 'Give me X' when you gift someone £5m to do with as they please, we all know we'd be very accommodating to that person in future if it happened to us, which is why it doesn't feel like it matters much whether Farage is right he did not have to declare it - we know he is in the dude's pocket, whether he thinks of it that way or not, whether either of them do. The strings are there whether you intend them.

Farage is self-sabotaging.

Maybe at some level he thinks people will find his "don't care" routine refreshing, but he forgets this isn't America and he isn't Trump.

Fair play really matters in the UK.

kle4

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

"He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

Is that the dude people kept ramping as the next PM basically because he has a good jawline?

Andy_JS

Farage is going to lose the "normal guy" and charisma/charm battle with Andy Burnham. Not sure what he can do about it. Serious situation for Reform imo.

Casino_Royale

ydoethur said:

Andy_JS said:

Re Australia, it's interesting how little publicity there's been of the fact that multiple opinion polls over there are showing that Pauline Hanson's One Nation party could go from zero seats in the House of Representatives to almost winning an overall majority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Australian_federal_election#Voting_intention

https://theconversation.com/one-nations-surge-continues-in-polls-as-andy-burnham-set-to-become-next-uk-pm-285609

Possibly the only good thing about that is it shows it's not just this country that has lost its mind.

I keep Canada in mind as a hopeful alternative.

Canada only elected a Liberal, rather than a Conservative, because of nationalism not in spite of it.

stodge

Andy_JS said:

Re Australia, it's interesting how little publicity there's been of the fact that multiple opinion polls over there are showing that Pauline Hanson's One Nation party could go from zero seats in the House of Representatives to almost winning an overall majority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Australian_federal_election#Voting_intention

https://theconversation.com/one-nations-surge-continues-in-polls-as-andy-burnham-set-to-become-next-uk-pm-285609

The more interesting aspect, which you don't mention, is the complete dismantling of the Liberal-National Coalition.

https://demosau.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Capital-BriefDemosAU-Federal-Poll-June-2026-FINAL.pdf

The Demos poll would still have Labor close to a majority with One Nation between 55 and 60 seats and the LNP Coaliton reduced to marginal status at 4-11 seats.

Casino_Royale

Andy_JS said:

Farage is going to lose the "normal guy" and charisma/charm battle with Andy Burnham. Not sure what he can do about it. Serious situation for Reform imo.

Russell Kane's spoofs of Andy Burnham's "normal guy" routine are very funny.

kle4

Casino_Royale said:

kle4 said:

I see Farage and his generous friends are back in the news again. I'm sure his punchy response went down very well, but it does feel like one of those situations where even a finding that he was not obliged to declare it would still overall be a net negative, because I would think most people on the street don't care about the fine details, they just know that no one gifts someone else £5m without a) expecting something in return, or b) getting something in return even if there really was nothing expected.

You don't need to say 'Give me X' when you gift someone £5m to do with as they please, we all know we'd be very accommodating to that person in future if it happened to us, which is why it doesn't feel like it matters much whether Farage is right he did not have to declare it - we know he is in the dude's pocket, whether he thinks of it that way or not, whether either of them do. The strings are there whether you intend them.

Farage is self-sabotaging.

Maybe at some level he thinks people will find his "don't care" routine refreshing, but he forgets this isn't America and he isn't Trump.

Fair play really matters in the UK.

Opponents need to never let up about it, even though Reform will obviously call it settled and a distraction - the fact he received such a gift, however reasonable he and the party consider that to be, is true so he cannot claim otherwise, and any criticism about it is personal opinion and fair game.

Same with Polanski and his boob hypnosis - no explanation that he doesn't believe it now takes away how either he was a con man or unbelievably stupid, and it being 10+ years ago doesn't magically make it not so.

Malmesbury

kle4 said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

"He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

Is that the dude people kept ramping as the next PM basically because he has a good jawline?

The thing about hopecasting is that when your hope becomes real you need to move to the next target of your wishful thinking.

The Burnsiah will become a concrete reality very soon. Some people are just getting into hopecasting market for the next one.

ydoethur

stodge said:

Andy_JS said:

Re Australia, it's interesting how little publicity there's been of the fact that multiple opinion polls over there are showing that Pauline Hanson's One Nation party could go from zero seats in the House of Representatives to almost winning an overall majority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Australian_federal_election#Voting_intention

https://theconversation.com/one-nations-surge-continues-in-polls-as-andy-burnham-set-to-become-next-uk-pm-285609

The more interesting aspect, which you don't mention, is the complete dismantling of the Liberal-National Coalition.

https://demosau.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Capital-BriefDemosAU-Federal-Poll-June-2026-FINAL.pdf

The Demos poll would still have Labor close to a majority with One Nation between 55 and 60 seats and the LNP Coaliton reduced to marginal status at 4-11 seats.

Bob Menzies must be turning in his grave.

John Gorton even more so.

CatMan

Malmesbury said:

Casino_Royale said:

Andy_JS said:

Re Australia, it's interesting how little publicity there's been of the fact that multiple opinion polls over there are showing that Pauline Hanson's One Nation party could go from zero seats in the House of Representatives to almost winning an overall majority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Australian_federal_election#Voting_intention

https://theconversation.com/one-nations-surge-continues-in-polls-as-andy-burnham-set-to-become-next-uk-pm-285609

Is it Brexit? Trump?

Massive cultural divide between the cities and rural areas.

Canada was going to to vote Conservative last year, then Trump was elected and started giving "Give me Canada you Hosers" speeches.

williamglenn

Casino_Royale said:

kle4 said:

I see Farage and his generous friends are back in the news again. I'm sure his punchy response went down very well, but it does feel like one of those situations where even a finding that he was not obliged to declare it would still overall be a net negative, because I would think most people on the street don't care about the fine details, they just know that no one gifts someone else £5m without a) expecting something in return, or b) getting something in return even if there really was nothing expected.

You don't need to say 'Give me X' when you gift someone £5m to do with as they please, we all know we'd be very accommodating to that person in future if it happened to us, which is why it doesn't feel like it matters much whether Farage is right he did not have to declare it - we know he is in the dude's pocket, whether he thinks of it that way or not, whether either of them do. The strings are there whether you intend them.

Farage is self-sabotaging.

Maybe at some level he thinks people will find his "don't care" routine refreshing, but he forgets this isn't America and he isn't Trump.

Fair play really matters in the UK.

I think it's just a case of "what got you here won't get you there" syndrome.

Being a contender for PM is a different game to the one he's been playing for most of his political career and some of the techniques he's learnt are no longer helpful.

Northern_Al

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

"He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

Al_Carns has about as much chance of getting the MP nominations and defeating Burnham with the members as his near namesake, Northern_Al.

kle4

stodge said:

Andy_JS said:

Re Australia, it's interesting how little publicity there's been of the fact that multiple opinion polls over there are showing that Pauline Hanson's One Nation party could go from zero seats in the House of Representatives to almost winning an overall majority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Australian_federal_election#Voting_intention

https://theconversation.com/one-nations-surge-continues-in-polls-as-andy-burnham-set-to-become-next-uk-pm-285609

The more interesting aspect, which you don't mention, is the complete dismantling of the Liberal-National Coalition.

https://demosau.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Capital-BriefDemosAU-Federal-Poll-June-2026-FINAL.pdf

The Demos poll would still have Labor close to a majority with One Nation between 55 and 60 seats and the LNP Coaliton reduced to marginal status at 4-11 seats.

What exactly caused this dismantling? Broke under pressure of One Nation rising, or was it on the cards for awhile?

Albanese should give hope to Burnham, as unless he self sabotages he has broken the trend of 1-3 year PMs they had gone through since 2010.

If Meloni can last a few more years she too shows how you can break away from constant PM changes as part of your political culture.

SandyRentool

kle4 said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

"He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

Is that the dude people kept ramping as the next PM basically because he has a good jawline?

He's not Burnham, which is a good start.

kinabalu

kle4 said:

I see Farage and his generous friends are back in the news again. I'm sure his punchy response went down very well, but it does feel like one of those situations where even a finding that he was not obliged to declare it would still overall be a net negative, because I would think most people on the street don't care about the fine details, they just know that no one gifts someone else £5m without a) expecting something in return, or b) getting something in return even if there really was nothing expected.

You don't need to say 'Give me X' when you gift someone £5m to do with as they please, we all know we'd be very accommodating to that person in future if it happened to us, which is why it doesn't feel like it matters much whether Farage is right he did not have to declare it - we know he is in the dude's pocket, whether he thinks of it that way or not, whether either of them do. The strings are there whether you intend them.

Yes, sadly for Nige, the conclusion that this stinks to high heaven will be reached without undue difficulty by anyone with an ounce of that 'commonsense' which Reform and its supporters pride themselves on.

Stuartinromford

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

"He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

The funny thing here is that Lord Glasman presumably thinks he's helping Al Carns by saying this.

eek

Malmesbury said:

kle4 said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

"He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

Is that the dude people kept ramping as the next PM basically because he has a good jawline?

The thing about hopecasting is that when your hope becomes real you need to move to the next target of your wishful thinking.

The Burnsiah will become a concrete reality very soon. Some people are just getting into hopecasting market for the next one.

Roughly 30% of the population are hopecasting that Farage will fix the problems that they've pinned on him being able to fix.

Got to say all I want is a Government that can actual present things and not randomly release half baked ideas such as Digital Id cards...

kle4

CatMan said:

Malmesbury said:

Casino_Royale said:

Andy_JS said:

Re Australia, it's interesting how little publicity there's been of the fact that multiple opinion polls over there are showing that Pauline Hanson's One Nation party could go from zero seats in the House of Representatives to almost winning an overall majority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Australian_federal_election#Voting_intention

https://theconversation.com/one-nations-surge-continues-in-polls-as-andy-burnham-set-to-become-next-uk-pm-285609

Is it Brexit? Trump?

Massive cultural divide between the cities and rural areas.

Canada was going to to vote Conservative last year, then Trump was elected and started giving "Give me Canada you Hosers" speeches.

That does show their lead was more shallow than they thought it was, and the Carney switchover worked out very well indeed, but several Conservative leaders are struggling because of the Trump effect, since even if they don't support Trump, some number of their supporters do.

Kemi might be able to say almost no current Conservative voters support Trump, but that would be because almost all of those who did have moved over to Reform (where is still not universal).

bondegezou

Nigelb said:

The Burnham's wife story seems rather thin.

The CAZ was set up (in 2022) in response to a legal mandate from the then Tory government; reportedly, Burnham recused himself from involvement in the details because his wife had done marketing work for one of the companies involved.

Two years later she became a marketing director of said company.

It was publicly aired both in 2022 and 2024.

Unless there's something new, this is warming over pretty thin, old gruel, but good luck to the UK press in explaining exactly why this is a scandal.

Melania Trump got $28 million for the documentary about her, a film whose total box office take to date is less than $17 million.

The Pentagon has lent $620 million to a start-up partly owned by Donald Trump Jnr.

President Trump lowered tariffs on Vietnam after negotiations that included Vietnam fast-tracking a Trump Organization golf resort.

The US Air Force is spending an undisclosed amount of money in drones from Powerus, a company with links to Eric and Donald Jnr.

Eric and Don Jnr partly own a Kazakhstan mine that received $1.6 billion from the US government.

Jared Kushner has received over $110 million from the Saudi government, while also leading US diplomatic negotiations with Iran.

Another defense company backed by Eric Trump received $24 million from the Pentagon.

I’m just trying to remind @Sandpit what real corruption looks like.

BlancheLivermore

I’ve been off yesterday and today, but I’m working the next seven days straight

I’m dreading the next couple..

Please be kind to your posties this week

boulay

kle4 said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

"He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

Is that the dude people kept ramping as the next PM basically because he has a good jawline?

I’ve warmed to him. A few months ago he was giving it large on social media doing ice climbing with the marines and joining parts of Arctic exercises which I thought was a bit egotistical however I have since seen him doing talks on social media and he seems to have his heart in the right place, no mad policies and it would be nice to have someone who cuts through the bullshit and straight talks which is what he has been doing online. Fair enough I’m a Tory so clearly he has no hope with the Labour left but I don’t think he would be a bad choice.

Would also be fucking funny him meeting Hegseth, Vance and Trump and see them try and accuse the UK of not being there when he could just flash his military cross and ask them how their service in the special forces in Iraq and Afghanistan went.

kle4

kinabalu said:

kle4 said:

I see Farage and his generous friends are back in the news again. I'm sure his punchy response went down very well, but it does feel like one of those situations where even a finding that he was not obliged to declare it would still overall be a net negative, because I would think most people on the street don't care about the fine details, they just know that no one gifts someone else £5m without a) expecting something in return, or b) getting something in return even if there really was nothing expected.

You don't need to say 'Give me X' when you gift someone £5m to do with as they please, we all know we'd be very accommodating to that person in future if it happened to us, which is why it doesn't feel like it matters much whether Farage is right he did not have to declare it - we know he is in the dude's pocket, whether he thinks of it that way or not, whether either of them do. The strings are there whether you intend them.

Yes, sadly for Nige, the conclusion that this stinks to high heaven will be reached without undue difficulty by anyone with an ounce of that 'commonsense' which Reform and its supporters pride themselves on.

"The guy gave me £5m just to be nice" is not persuasive to you? Such wokeness.

HYUFD

stodge said:

Andy_JS said:

Re Australia, it's interesting how little publicity there's been of the fact that multiple opinion polls over there are showing that Pauline Hanson's One Nation party could go from zero seats in the House of Representatives to almost winning an overall majority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Australian_federal_election#Voting_intention

https://theconversation.com/one-nations-surge-continues-in-polls-as-andy-burnham-set-to-become-next-uk-pm-285609

The more interesting aspect, which you don't mention, is the complete dismantling of the Liberal-National Coalition.

https://demosau.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Capital-BriefDemosAU-Federal-Poll-June-2026-FINAL.pdf

The Demos poll would still have Labor close to a majority with One Nation between 55 and 60 seats and the LNP Coaliton reduced to marginal status at 4-11 seats.

I think that overestimates the One Nation position. In the South Australia election in March Labor won a majority of seats and One Nation got 4% more votes than the Coalition but the Coalition won more seats than One Nation after preferences.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_South_Australian_state_election

AnneJGP

I'm in the No difference column. Whilst there's life there's hope, of course, but I find it hard to view Mr Burnham as the great hope of the nation. That may just be my ignorance of him & what he stands for, so I'll wait & see what happens.

ydoethur

Northern_Al said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

"He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

Al_Carns has about as much chance of getting the MP nominations and defeating Burnham with the members as his near namesake, Northern_Al.

I dunno. I'd vote for you as Prime Minister even though I'd have some reservations about your line on the DfE.

Northern_Al

ydoethur said:

Northern_Al said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

"He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

Al_Carns has about as much chance of getting the MP nominations and defeating Burnham with the members as his near namesake, Northern_Al.

I dunno. I'd vote for you as Prime Minister even though I'd have some reservations about your line on the DfE.

Cheers mate. I hereby offer to recuse myself from any DfE or associated education decisions. In fact, I may even abolish the DfE, just for you.

kinabalu

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

"He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

"He understands the next war"

Oh dear. That is one aesthetically unappealing sentence.

bondegezou

Northern_Al said:

ydoethur said:

Northern_Al said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

"He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

Al_Carns has about as much chance of getting the MP nominations and defeating Burnham with the members as his near namesake, Northern_Al.

I dunno. I'd vote for you as Prime Minister even though I'd have some reservations about your line on the DfE.

Cheers mate. I hereby offer to recuse myself from any DfE or associated education decisions. In fact, I may even abolish the DfE, just for you.

How do you feel about abolishing VAT on cat food?

algarkirk

Andy_JS said:

Farage is going to lose the "normal guy" and charisma/charm battle with Andy Burnham. Not sure what he can do about it. Serious situation for Reform imo.

Agree. for practical purposes write off any chance of a Reform government in 2028/9. The balloon has burst, scattering five million used pound notes and great thoughts about celebrity bottoms into the air.

I hope the Tories will have Danny Kruger back in due course. But not the others.

Northern_Al

bondegezou said:

Northern_Al said:

ydoethur said:

Northern_Al said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

"He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

Al_Carns has about as much chance of getting the MP nominations and defeating Burnham with the members as his near namesake, Northern_Al.

I dunno. I'd vote for you as Prime Minister even though I'd have some reservations about your line on the DfE.

Cheers mate. I hereby offer to recuse myself from any DfE or associated education decisions. In fact, I may even abolish the DfE, just for you.

How do you feel about abolishing VAT on cat food?

Absolutely not. But dog food, yes, as there are two in my household, both belonging to my better half.

IanB2

Barnesian said:

So Tories and Reform supporters feel more pessimistic about the future with Burnham in charge.

Could that be because they see Burnham as a bigger threat to their parties? Seems logical.

Or that they’re just more miserable b**tards in general?

Does being right wing make you miserable or being miserable make you right wing?

algarkirk

kle4 said:

kinabalu said:

kle4 said:

I see Farage and his generous friends are back in the news again. I'm sure his punchy response went down very well, but it does feel like one of those situations where even a finding that he was not obliged to declare it would still overall be a net negative, because I would think most people on the street don't care about the fine details, they just know that no one gifts someone else £5m without a) expecting something in return, or b) getting something in return even if there really was nothing expected.

You don't need to say 'Give me X' when you gift someone £5m to do with as they please, we all know we'd be very accommodating to that person in future if it happened to us, which is why it doesn't feel like it matters much whether Farage is right he did not have to declare it - we know he is in the dude's pocket, whether he thinks of it that way or not, whether either of them do. The strings are there whether you intend them.

Yes, sadly for Nige, the conclusion that this stinks to high heaven will be reached without undue difficulty by anyone with an ounce of that 'commonsense' which Reform and its supporters pride themselves on.

"The guy gave me £5m just to be nice" is not persuasive to you? Such wokeness.

"We met in a pub, can't remember which one, never seen him before, it was in east London I think; what date? No idea. No, I wouldn't recognise him if I saw him again."

kle4

algarkirk said:

Andy_JS said:

Farage is going to lose the "normal guy" and charisma/charm battle with Andy Burnham. Not sure what he can do about it. Serious situation for Reform imo.

Agree. for practical purposes write off any chance of a Reform government in 2028/9. The balloon has burst, scattering five million used pound notes and great thoughts about celebrity bottoms into the air.

I hope the Tories will have Danny Kruger back in due course. But not the others.

Danny Kruger is a thoughtful seeming individual, but I don't know where the idea he might not be comfortable in Reform as it develops comes from. Long before he crossed to them he seemed a much better fit with them, possibly more than some of the less principled ones who jumped because they lost a leadership contest and the Tories are lower in the polls.

I'd think some of the others would be more likely to want to come back (but not be accepted) than Kruger would at choosing to do so.

IanB2

dixiedean said:

eek said:

dixiedean said:

Nigelb said:

The Burnham's wife story seems rather thin.

The CAZ was set up (in 2022) in response to a legal mandate from the then Tory government; reportedly, Burnham recused himself from involvement in the details because his wife had done marketing work for one of the companies involved.

Two years later she became a marketing director of said company.

It was publicly aired both in 2022 and 2024.

Unless there's something new, this is warming over pretty thin, old gruel, but good luck to the UK press in explaining exactly why this is a scandal.

Heavily deployed Online in Makerfield to little effect.

And as that's the best they can find it also shows how clean Burnham is relative to say Kemi let alone Farage

He's not one motivated by money. Nor is his Missus.
That's why they have lived in a nondescript street in Golborne for twenty years.

We just have to hope he doesn’t have £90,000-worth of pens hidden somewhere in a upstairs drawer?

DougSeal

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

"He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

Lord Glasman? Who?

HYUFD

algarkirk said:

Andy_JS said:

Farage is going to lose the "normal guy" and charisma/charm battle with Andy Burnham. Not sure what he can do about it. Serious situation for Reform imo.

Agree. for practical purposes write off any chance of a Reform government in 2028/9. The balloon has burst, scattering five million used pound notes and great thoughts about celebrity bottoms into the air.

I hope the Tories will have Danny Kruger back in due course. But not the others.

Even hypothetical seats with Burnham PM still have Labour losing over 100 seats and only a point or two above Reform. Far too soon to say what the next general election result will be

IanB2

BlancheLivermore said:

I’ve been off yesterday and today, but I’m working the next seven days straight

I’m dreading the next couple..

Please be kind to your posties this week

It’s too hot to be posting any letters, so at least I am doing my bit

eek

HYUFD said:

algarkirk said:

Andy_JS said:

Farage is going to lose the "normal guy" and charisma/charm battle with Andy Burnham. Not sure what he can do about it. Serious situation for Reform imo.

Agree. for practical purposes write off any chance of a Reform government in 2028/9. The balloon has burst, scattering five million used pound notes and great thoughts about celebrity bottoms into the air.

I hope the Tories will have Danny Kruger back in due course. But not the others.

Even hypothetical seats with Burnham PM still have Labour losing over 100 seats and only a point or two above Reform. Far too soon to say what the next general election result will be

Give it a couple of years and most people will be questioning what £5m gets you off Farage...

That stench is going to be hard to remove and it's going to be a continual joke by the next election..

Sandpit

Same song, new lyrics:

https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/2069426033510502571

England fans in Boston singing “Andy Burnham’s a w@nker”.

IanB2

Northern_Al said:

ydoethur said:

Northern_Al said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

"He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

Al_Carns has about as much chance of getting the MP nominations and defeating Burnham with the members as his near namesake, Northern_Al.

I dunno. I'd vote for you as Prime Minister even though I'd have some reservations about your line on the DfE.

Cheers mate. I hereby offer to recuse myself from any DfE or associated education decisions. In fact, I may even abolish the DfE, just for you.

Isn’t Burnham, based on his book, a believer in returning schools oversight to local authorities?

Sunil_Prasannan

Northern_Al said:

bondegezou said:

Northern_Al said:

ydoethur said:

Northern_Al said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

"He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

Al_Carns has about as much chance of getting the MP nominations and defeating Burnham with the members as his near namesake, Northern_Al.

I dunno. I'd vote for you as Prime Minister even though I'd have some reservations about your line on the DfE.

Cheers mate. I hereby offer to recuse myself from any DfE or associated education decisions. In fact, I may even abolish the DfE, just for you.

How do you feel about abolishing VAT on cat food?

Absolutely not. But dog food, yes, as there are two in my household, both belonging to my better half.

"You keep dog food in your fridge???"

OnlyLivingBoy

British people need to stop being such miserable c**ts.

Andy_JS

Ronaldo scores after 6 mins v Uzbekistan.

algarkirk

kle4 said:

algarkirk said:

Andy_JS said:

Farage is going to lose the "normal guy" and charisma/charm battle with Andy Burnham. Not sure what he can do about it. Serious situation for Reform imo.

Agree. for practical purposes write off any chance of a Reform government in 2028/9. The balloon has burst, scattering five million used pound notes and great thoughts about celebrity bottoms into the air.

I hope the Tories will have Danny Kruger back in due course. But not the others.

Danny Kruger is a thoughtful seeming individual, but I don't know where the idea he might not be comfortable in Reform as it develops comes from. Long before he crossed to them he seemed a much better fit with them, possibly more than some of the less principled ones who jumped because they lost a leadership contest and the Tories are lower in the polls.

I'd think some of the others would be more likely to want to come back (but not be accepted) than Kruger would at choosing to do so.

The overlap between the evangelical Etonian (which is an identifiable thing) and its posh social conservatism, and both Reform's plutocrat chancer wing and its Southport rioter pure rage wing in small and fragile.

Sunil_Prasannan

Andy_JS said:

Ronaldo scores after 6 mins v Uzbekistan.

First to score in 6 World Cups!

BartholomewRoberts

ydoethur said:

Casino_Royale said:

Burnham won't have Starmer's utter tin-ear for politics, so an improvement on that front, but that will only carry him for so long.

Ultimately, as @Cyclefree said, the problem is Labour's policies.

Ultimately, the problem is we are more skint than Edward III subtracted from Louis XVI and it's far too easy to think that crony capitalism by a comfortable cabal in business and politics who are still doing very nicely for themselves is to blame.

Partly, of course, because there are far too many people in business and politics who are doing very nicely for themselves at our expense, often by very dubious means.

But the proposed solutions of putting more of the same who are pretending to be different - Musk, Trump, Meloni, Orban, Hanson, Farage, Milei - in power is making things worse rather than better.

Milei should not be on that list, he is not pretending to be different, he has been - and doing a good job.

Milei is a marked improvement on Peronists and his other predecessors.

MarqueeMark

eek said:

HYUFD said:

algarkirk said:

Andy_JS said:

Farage is going to lose the "normal guy" and charisma/charm battle with Andy Burnham. Not sure what he can do about it. Serious situation for Reform imo.

Agree. for practical purposes write off any chance of a Reform government in 2028/9. The balloon has burst, scattering five million used pound notes and great thoughts about celebrity bottoms into the air.

I hope the Tories will have Danny Kruger back in due course. But not the others.

Even hypothetical seats with Burnham PM still have Labour losing over 100 seats and only a point or two above Reform. Far too soon to say what the next general election result will be

Give it a couple of years and most people will be questioning what £5m gets you off Farage...

That stench is going to be hard to remove and it's going to be a continual joke by the next election..

W-A-Y too large a number to ever go away with voters.

That's assuming it doesn't legally bite him on the arse.

LostPassword

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

kle4 said:

I see Farage and his generous friends are back in the news again. I'm sure his punchy response went down very well, but it does feel like one of those situations where even a finding that he was not obliged to declare it would still overall be a net negative, because I would think most people on the street don't care about the fine details, they just know that no one gifts someone else £5m without a) expecting something in return, or b) getting something in return even if there really was nothing expected.

You don't need to say 'Give me X' when you gift someone £5m to do with as they please, we all know we'd be very accommodating to that person in future if it happened to us, which is why it doesn't feel like it matters much whether Farage is right he did not have to declare it - we know he is in the dude's pocket, whether he thinks of it that way or not, whether either of them do. The strings are there whether you intend them.

Farage is self-sabotaging.

Maybe at some level he thinks people will find his "don't care" routine refreshing, but he forgets this isn't America and he isn't Trump.

Fair play really matters in the UK.

Opponents need to never let up about it, even though Reform will obviously call it settled and a distraction - the fact he received such a gift, however reasonable he and the party consider that to be, is true so he cannot claim otherwise, and any criticism about it is personal opinion and fair game.

Same with Polanski and his boob hypnosis - no explanation that he doesn't believe it now takes away how either he was a con man or unbelievably stupid, and it being 10+ years ago doesn't magically make it not so.

The other thing about the £5m is that bringing it up really seems to annoy Farage. And that isn't a great look for him.

It is similar with Polanski. He also seemed to be annoyed to be asked about the boob stuff - you're a political leader, what did you expect?

DavidL

Andy_JS said:

Re Australia, it's interesting how little publicity there's been of the fact that multiple opinion polls over there are showing that Pauline Hanson's One Nation party could go from zero seats in the House of Representatives to almost winning an overall majority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Australian_federal_election#Voting_intention

https://theconversation.com/one-nations-surge-continues-in-polls-as-andy-burnham-set-to-become-next-uk-pm-285609

Yet another example of the extreme volatility of politics in the social media age. We had this in 2024. And are all too likely to have it next time out.

algarkirk

HYUFD said:

algarkirk said:

Andy_JS said:

Farage is going to lose the "normal guy" and charisma/charm battle with Andy Burnham. Not sure what he can do about it. Serious situation for Reform imo.

Agree. for practical purposes write off any chance of a Reform government in 2028/9. The balloon has burst, scattering five million used pound notes and great thoughts about celebrity bottoms into the air.

I hope the Tories will have Danny Kruger back in due course. But not the others.

Even hypothetical seats with Burnham PM still have Labour losing over 100 seats and only a point or two above Reform. Far too soon to say what the next general election result will be

Up to a point. But a function of a site called 'Political Betting' is to discern outcomes (a) before they happen and (b) before the betting markets have seen what you can see. It's never too early to read chicken entrails and smell the zeitgeist. Reform are toast. DYOR.

IanB2

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Northern_Al said:

bondegezou said:

Northern_Al said:

ydoethur said:

Northern_Al said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

"He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

Al_Carns has about as much chance of getting the MP nominations and defeating Burnham with the members as his near namesake, Northern_Al.

I dunno. I'd vote for you as Prime Minister even though I'd have some reservations about your line on the DfE.

Cheers mate. I hereby offer to recuse myself from any DfE or associated education decisions. In fact, I may even abolish the DfE, just for you.

How do you feel about abolishing VAT on cat food?

Absolutely not. But dog food, yes, as there are two in my household, both belonging to my better half.

"You keep dog food in your fridge???"

Mr Dog’s food is mostly in the freezer. He has so much in there that sometimes I struggle to fit in my own Waitrose frozen herbs and the odd pizza or two. If I want to splash out on something like handmade frozen Bradford curries (a shout out to Chef Akila) I have to very carefully choreograph the delivery date in relation to his food delivery dates and then live on curries for the fortnight thereafter, with complete disregard to the gastrointestinal consequences.

IanB2

OnlyLivingBoy said:

British people need to stop being such miserable c**ts.

If only we could get some relief from our relentlessly grey, cloudy, drizzly weather. If the day arrives when it turns all hot and sunny I am sure we all become paragons of happiness.

kinabalu

IanB2 said:

Barnesian said:

So Tories and Reform supporters feel more pessimistic about the future with Burnham in charge.

Could that be because they see Burnham as a bigger threat to their parties? Seems logical.

Or that they’re just more miserable b**tards in general?

Does being right wing make you miserable or being miserable make you right wing?

Or worse, both at the same time, thus creating a self-fueling frenzy which moves the poor souls afflicted from a slightly downbeat, tad right of centre position, anxious about the public finances, to apoplectic ethno-fascist in the space of a few weeks.

Dopermean

Those with Burnham mania please explain.

Are you just going to left with soggy underwear and a sense of shame?

Andy_JS

BlancheLivermore said:

I’ve been off yesterday and today, but I’m working the next seven days straight

I’m dreading the next couple..

Please be kind to your posties this week

Genuine thanks for the valuable work you and your colleagues do.

Battlebus

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

"He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

Isn't Glasman embedded in MAGA?

https://bylinetimes.com/2025/04/01/blue-labour-on-maga-square-maurice-glasmans-journey-to-trumpism/

Nigelb

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

"He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

a) so what ?
b) I prefer Dura's take.

Dopermean

Battlebus said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

"He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

Isn't Glasman embedded in MAGA?

https://bylinetimes.com/2025/04/01/blue-labour-on-maga-square-maurice-glasmans-journey-to-trumpism/

Glasman's long traced the arc of the rainbow from sort of left to maga rewarded right

turbotubbs

Andy_JS said:

Head in hands moment.

"Stop training so many medical students, demand doctors
BMA members vote to cut intake as competition for specialist posts is ‘at an all-time high’" (£)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/23/stop-training-medical-students-demand-doctors/

Got to keep the salaries up old boy

BlancheLivermore

I’m cooking tuna tonight

My sous vide obsession continues. I’m quite excited to see how tuna will turn out

What will happen to its colour and texture? Salmon stayed orange, but got some lovely texture

Will tuna stay red?

What other non white fish do we eat than tuna and salmon

Bloody racist pescatarians

Dopermean

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Andy_JS said:

Ronaldo scores after 6 mins v Uzbekistan.

First to score in 6 World Cups!

At least he gets something, deservedly

kinabalu

I understand the next England WC match.

A highly controlled performance, tight at the back, lots of possession, pop one in. 1/0. None of this sloppy 4/2 nonsense.

Battlebus

algarkirk said:

Andy_JS said:

Farage is going to lose the "normal guy" and charisma/charm battle with Andy Burnham. Not sure what he can do about it. Serious situation for Reform imo.

Agree. for practical purposes write off any chance of a Reform government in 2028/9. The balloon has burst, scattering five million used pound notes and great thoughts about celebrity bottoms into the air.

I hope the Tories will have Danny Kruger back in due course. But not the others.

It's noticeable that someone like Kruger has made no impact in Reform such is the control of Farage. A waste to both Reform and to himself. However if he stays any longer, then questions will be asked about his judgment.

Stuartinromford

LostPassword said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

kle4 said:

I see Farage and his generous friends are back in the news again. I'm sure his punchy response went down very well, but it does feel like one of those situations where even a finding that he was not obliged to declare it would still overall be a net negative, because I would think most people on the street don't care about the fine details, they just know that no one gifts someone else £5m without a) expecting something in return, or b) getting something in return even if there really was nothing expected.

You don't need to say 'Give me X' when you gift someone £5m to do with as they please, we all know we'd be very accommodating to that person in future if it happened to us, which is why it doesn't feel like it matters much whether Farage is right he did not have to declare it - we know he is in the dude's pocket, whether he thinks of it that way or not, whether either of them do. The strings are there whether you intend them.

Farage is self-sabotaging.

Maybe at some level he thinks people will find his "don't care" routine refreshing, but he forgets this isn't America and he isn't Trump.

Fair play really matters in the UK.

Opponents need to never let up about it, even though Reform will obviously call it settled and a distraction - the fact he received such a gift, however reasonable he and the party consider that to be, is true so he cannot claim otherwise, and any criticism about it is personal opinion and fair game.

Same with Polanski and his boob hypnosis - no explanation that he doesn't believe it now takes away how either he was a con man or unbelievably stupid, and it being 10+ years ago doesn't magically make it not so.

The other thing about the £5m is that bringing it up really seems to annoy Farage. And that isn't a great look for him.

It is similar with Polanski. He also seemed to be annoyed to be asked about the boob stuff - you're a political leader, what did you expect?

JCorbz was much the same- I embody the true will of the people, how dare you question me? Revolting as BoJo was in many ways, he at least gave the impression of understanding that it was all a game.

Nigelb

boulay said:

kle4 said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989

Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.

"He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.

Is that the dude people kept ramping as the next PM basically because he has a good jawline?

I’ve warmed to him. A few months ago he was giving it large on social media doing ice climbing with the marines and joining parts of Arctic exercises which I thought was a bit egotistical however I have since seen him doing talks on social media and he seems to have his heart in the right place, no mad policies and it would be nice to have someone who cuts through the bullshit and straight talks which is what he has been doing online. Fair enough I’m a Tory so clearly he has no hope with the Labour left but I don’t think he would be a bad choice.

Would also be fucking funny him meeting Hegseth, Vance and Trump and see them try and accuse the UK of not being there when he could just flash his military cross and ask them how their service in the special forces in Iraq and Afghanistan went.

He's not a complete idiot, but if you think Burnham is entitled, then a guy, who's been a junior minister and MP for all of two years, claiming now is his time, is off the ****ing charts.

Andy_JS

Uzbekistan score v Portugal but waiting for VAR check.

IanB2

Dopermean said:

Those with Burnham mania please explain.

Are you just going to left with soggy underwear and a sense of shame?

He appears to perceive, unlike so many prior senior politicians, the critical way in which the structure and nature of our politics feeds through into the nature of our society and economy. If he can hold to his views on political and electoral reform and begin to unwind the huge centralisation of our governance that was imposed upon us by Thatcher and Blair, he will deserve to be buried as a hero. There was a time in which enlightened Brits could be proud of our long tradition of strong, independent local governance; that we’ve become a country where thousands of elected local politicians have no freedom other than to follow the line from Whitehall, and that British voters have no real say in the way their community is run once their every-four-years election vote has been, more often than not, simply cast into the bin, is a stain upon our long history as the mother of democracy and accountability.

I start as a non-Labour voting strong Burnham supporter, and you can check back with me as a weathervane as to the extent to which he maintains his cross-party appeal when faced with the realities of governing from number ten.

DavidL

Andy_JS said:

Uzbekistan score v Portugal but waiting for VAR check.

Disallowed. Harsh I thought. Brilliant shot.

Sunil_Prasannan

Andy_JS said:

Uzbekistan score v Portugal but waiting for VAR check.

Foul - no goal.

viewcode

Taz said:

@viewcode

I’m sorry I didn’t nick this of Twitter in time for this thread.

Good afternoon @rcs1000 and/or @TheScreamingEagles

Is it possible that the photo discovered by @Taz above can be used at the top of https://www.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2026/06/22/the-long-running-series-is-cancelled/ instead of the existing one please?