Farage is going to lose the "normal guy" and charisma/charm battle with Andy Burnham. Not sure what he can do about it. Serious situation for Reform imo.
Agree. for practical purposes write off any chance of a Reform government in 2028/9. The balloon has burst, scattering five million used pound notes and great thoughts about celebrity bottoms into the air.
I hope the Tories will have Danny Kruger back in due course. But not the others.
It's noticeable that someone like Kruger has made no impact in Reform such is the control of Farage. A waste to both Reform and to himself. However if he stays any longer, then questions will be asked about his judgment.
I can conceive of only 2 reasons why a Tory politician would switch to Reform and neither are savoury.
1. Pure careerism. They've looked at the polls and calculate better personal prospects.
2. Nativist ideology. They believe in closed borders and mass deportations of 'not proper' Brits.
3. They believe they can change Reform from the inside?
To what though. If they manage to professionalise Reform and marginalise the racism, whilst keeping it firmly right wing on economics, you get something quite close to where they've fled from - a Kemi Badenoch led Tory Party.
They believe that the Tories won’t engage in radical reform of the economy
Reform have no ideas for radical reform of the economy, other than wishful thinking and populism.
Fuck Reform. They will take us nowhere.
If I were advising Reform I'd tell them to let Sarah Pochin take over as leader for a year or two, with Farage as party chairman or something similar.
Donald Trump reportedly told Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, that “all the Jews are sick of you”.
The US president’s outburst occurred during a call with Jared Kushner, his son-in-law and the US peace envoy, Steve Witkoff, his Middle East envoy, and Mr Netanyahu, according to a new book by two journalists from The New York Times.
The group was reportedly discussing the 20-point Gaza peace plan, announced by Mr Trump in September 2025 after nearly two years of intense fighting between Israel and Hamas.
The fiery exchange is detailed in the new book Regime Change, which was released on Tuesday.
It's polling nostalgia for an imagined yesterday, and contemporary disappointment.
Bullshit! Apart from a few on here I've hardly met anyone in the last ten years who didn't think it a disaster. I got so pissed off listening to the various programmes on it that I took myself off to France.
If anyone has any doubt just go and wonder why all the young bar staff are having such a great time and learning languages and wonder why there are no young English boys and girls.
...........and how they must hate all their old fogie grandparents who denied all this to them
If you think grandchildren 'hate' their grandparents because of Brexit then you do not know grandchildren at all
It's figurative. All those wasted opportunities.
Still without Brexit we wouldn't have had Prime Minister Johnson, so it had its positives.
Farage is going to lose the "normal guy" and charisma/charm battle with Andy Burnham. Not sure what he can do about it. Serious situation for Reform imo.
Agree. for practical purposes write off any chance of a Reform government in 2028/9. The balloon has burst, scattering five million used pound notes and great thoughts about celebrity bottoms into the air.
I hope the Tories will have Danny Kruger back in due course. But not the others.
It's noticeable that someone like Kruger has made no impact in Reform such is the control of Farage. A waste to both Reform and to himself. However if he stays any longer, then questions will be asked about his judgment.
I can conceive of only 2 reasons why a Tory politician would switch to Reform and neither are savoury.
1. Pure careerism. They've looked at the polls and calculate better personal prospects.
2. Nativist ideology. They believe in closed borders and mass deportations of 'not proper' Brits.
3. They believe they can change Reform from the inside?
To what though. If they manage to professionalise Reform and marginalise the racism, whilst keeping it firmly right wing on economics, you get something quite close to where they've fled from - a Kemi Badenoch led Tory Party.
They believe that the Tories won’t engage in radical reform of the economy
Reform have no ideas for radical reform of the economy, other than wishful thinking and populism.
Fuck Reform. They will take us nowhere.
If I were advising Reform I'd tell them to let Sarah Pochin take over as leader for a year or two, with Farage as party chairman or something similar.
Farage is going to lose the "normal guy" and charisma/charm battle with Andy Burnham. Not sure what he can do about it. Serious situation for Reform imo.
Agree. for practical purposes write off any chance of a Reform government in 2028/9. The balloon has burst, scattering five million used pound notes and great thoughts about celebrity bottoms into the air.
I hope the Tories will have Danny Kruger back in due course. But not the others.
It's noticeable that someone like Kruger has made no impact in Reform such is the control of Farage. A waste to both Reform and to himself. However if he stays any longer, then questions will be asked about his judgment.
I can conceive of only 2 reasons why a Tory politician would switch to Reform and neither are savoury.
1. Pure careerism. They've looked at the polls and calculate better personal prospects.
2. Nativist ideology. They believe in closed borders and mass deportations of 'not proper' Brits.
3. They believe they can change Reform from the inside?
To what though. If they manage to professionalise Reform and marginalise the racism, whilst keeping it firmly right wing on economics, you get something quite close to where they've fled from - a Kemi Badenoch led Tory Party.
They believe that the Tories won’t engage in radical reform of the economy
Reform have no ideas for radical reform of the economy, other than wishful thinking and populism.
Fuck Reform. They will take us nowhere.
If I were advising Reform I'd tell them to let Sarah Pochin take over as leader for a year or two, with Farage as party chairman or something similar.
Farage is going to lose the "normal guy" and charisma/charm battle with Andy Burnham. Not sure what he can do about it. Serious situation for Reform imo.
Agree. for practical purposes write off any chance of a Reform government in 2028/9. The balloon has burst, scattering five million used pound notes and great thoughts about celebrity bottoms into the air.
I hope the Tories will have Danny Kruger back in due course. But not the others.
It's noticeable that someone like Kruger has made no impact in Reform such is the control of Farage. A waste to both Reform and to himself. However if he stays any longer, then questions will be asked about his judgment.
I can conceive of only 2 reasons why a Tory politician would switch to Reform and neither are savoury.
1. Pure careerism. They've looked at the polls and calculate better personal prospects.
2. Nativist ideology. They believe in closed borders and mass deportations of 'not proper' Brits.
3. They believe they can change Reform from the inside?
To what though. If they manage to professionalise Reform and marginalise the racism, whilst keeping it firmly right wing on economics, you get something quite close to where they've fled from - a Kemi Badenoch led Tory Party.
They believe that the Tories won’t engage in radical reform of the economy
Reform have no ideas for radical reform of the economy, other than wishful thinking and populism.
Fuck Reform. They will take us nowhere.
If I were advising Reform I'd tell them to let Sarah Pochin take over as leader for a year or two, with Farage as party chairman or something similar.
Intrigued.
Why not-Farage, and why Pochin in particular?
She is pretty awful, but she is the only Reform MP to be elected since the GE.
It is more than any of their other candidates have managed.
"The trains are at the stations or on an open track, passengers are stuck: The traffic of the Deutsche Bahn is suspended nationwide due to a radio disturbance. This was confirmed by a spokesman for Deutsche Bahn in the evening. For the time being, all trains will be stopped at stations or at a suitable location. Long-distance and regional trains as well as the S-Bahn are affected."
All that "patience" crap. England wasted about 80 minutes of that match achieving nothing with players on the pitch who seemed clueless. To be honest I was bewildered that Madueke was in the squad, let alone the team. He was pathetic. Took far, far too long to get him off.
All that "patience" crap. England wasted about 80 minutes of that match achieving nothing with players on the pitch who seemed clueless. To be honest I was bewildered that Madueke was in the squad, let alone the team. He was pathetic. Took far, far too long to get him off.
"The trains are at the stations or on an open track, passengers are stuck: The traffic of the Deutsche Bahn is suspended nationwide due to a radio disturbance. This was confirmed by a spokesman for Deutsche Bahn in the evening. For the time being, all trains will be stopped at stations or at a suitable location. Long-distance and regional trains as well as the S-Bahn are affected."
Russia?
This wouldn't have happened under the rule of pen and paper. (Perhaps).
"The trains are at the stations or on an open track, passengers are stuck: The traffic of the Deutsche Bahn is suspended nationwide due to a radio disturbance. This was confirmed by a spokesman for Deutsche Bahn in the evening. For the time being, all trains will be stopped at stations or at a suitable location. Long-distance and regional trains as well as the S-Bahn are affected."
England shite. Never would have happened under SKS.
We'll soon be saying about Sir Keir as we're saying about Gareth Southgate: how much better things were under those boring men of wokeness who took the knee.
"The trains are at the stations or on an open track, passengers are stuck: The traffic of the Deutsche Bahn is suspended nationwide due to a radio disturbance. This was confirmed by a spokesman for Deutsche Bahn in the evening. For the time being, all trains will be stopped at stations or at a suitable location. Long-distance and regional trains as well as the S-Bahn are affected."
Russia?
Heat?
Not if the Radio system is down - that's something else.
Burnham won't have Starmer's utter tin-ear for politics, so an improvement on that front, but that will only carry him for so long.
Ultimately, as @Cyclefree said, the problem is Labour's policies.
He must clean out the stables, get shot of most of the mediocre cabinet who are less than useless. Get some new blood in with ideas and start massive changes to the whole crap structure. Until benefits are cut , triple lock changed , do something to sort out the shambles of a tax system and immigration sorted ( ie the illegal parts and the laissez faire policy of letting any old distant family member follow ) they will continue to slide to oblivion.
I suspect you will be disappointed…
Don't I know it , I prophesise that he will be a DUD, usual thick socialist policies , doling out cash to spongers and losers and wrecking the economy. It will be a short honeymoon.
It's polling nostalgia for an imagined yesterday, and contemporary disappointment.
Bullshit! Apart from a few on here I've hardly met anyone in the last ten years who didn't think it a disaster. I got so pissed off listening to the various programmes on it that I took myself off to France.
If anyone has any doubt just go and wonder why all the young bar staff are having such a great time and learning languages and wonder why there are no young English boys and girls.
...........and how they must hate all their old fogie grandparents who denied all this to them
If you think grandchildren 'hate' their grandparents because of Brexit then you do not know grandchildren at all
I am pretty sure a lot of them hated the way their grandparents voted, though.
It's polling nostalgia for an imagined yesterday, and contemporary disappointment.
The 55% for rejoin the EU collapses to just 35% though if it required joining the euro and Schengen and losing our previous opt outs
I know. And, even before getting to that, people don't want to give up sovereignty to the ECJ, or join the single market or customs union, or restore full free movement.
It's not testing the real fundamentals, and they are not good for Rejoin.
Who said they are fundamentals;
Most of the ECJ replicates laws we have anyway,.
I doubt the claim people don't want the single market. Free movemnet of goods has never been an issue.
Free movement is a problem but I suspect given Brexit lead to a surge from non EU Countries I think it's lost some of it's resonance.
Hardly nice to say it but it sort of looks like people prefer Poles to Pakistani's.
As to the Euro, well if we end up with another financial crisis I wouldn't be surprised if much like Iceland we consider seriously something we thought beyond the pale.
Look at how Trump has changed Icelanders and to an extent Norwegian attitudes to the EU.
One thing that has become clear from Brexit is that many of the promises made by the Leave side proved largely false and it's not at all clear how this would impact if people believe them next time.
I can see an effective The Who based; "Don't Get Fooled Again!" campaign.
Events Dear Boy!
Peter.
Name one promise from the leave side that has proved false.
The Brexit agreement we got is almost identical to what Vote Leave promised. Unsurprisingly as it was negotiated by the same team with the same objectives.
Total BS
So you can't name even one promise from Vote Leave that proved false? 🤔
They promised we would leave the Single Market and Customs Union, sign a trade deal, take back control of laws, money, borders, courts and be able to sign free trade deals.
We left the Single Market and Customs union, signed a trade deal and took back control of laws, money, borders, courts and are able to sign free trade deals.
Burnham won't have Starmer's utter tin-ear for politics, so an improvement on that front, but that will only carry him for so long.
Ultimately, as @Cyclefree said, the problem is Labour's policies.
He must clean out the stables, get shot of most of the mediocre cabinet who are less than useless. Get some new blood in with ideas and start massive changes to the whole crap structure. Until benefits are cut , triple lock changed , do something to sort out the shambles of a tax system and immigration sorted ( ie the illegal parts and the laissez faire policy of letting any old distant family member follow ) they will continue to slide to oblivion.
I suspect you will be disappointed…
Don't I know it , I prophesise that he will be a DUD, usual thick socialist policies , doling out cash to spongers and losers and wrecking the economy. It will be a short honeymoon.
Boris folded cash to dpongrrd, Truss trashed the economy
It's polling nostalgia for an imagined yesterday, and contemporary disappointment.
The 55% for rejoin the EU collapses to just 35% though if it required joining the euro and Schengen and losing our previous opt outs
I know. And, even before getting to that, people don't want to give up sovereignty to the ECJ, or join the single market or customs union, or restore full free movement.
It's not testing the real fundamentals, and they are not good for Rejoin.
Who said they are fundamentals;
Most of the ECJ replicates laws we have anyway,.
I doubt the claim people don't want the single market. Free movemnet of goods has never been an issue.
Free movement is a problem but I suspect given Brexit lead to a surge from non EU Countries I think it's lost some of it's resonance.
Hardly nice to say it but it sort of looks like people prefer Poles to Pakistani's.
As to the Euro, well if we end up with another financial crisis I wouldn't be surprised if much like Iceland we consider seriously something we thought beyond the pale.
Look at how Trump has changed Icelanders and to an extent Norwegian attitudes to the EU.
One thing that has become clear from Brexit is that many of the promises made by the Leave side proved largely false and it's not at all clear how this would impact if people believe them next time.
I can see an effective The Who based; "Don't Get Fooled Again!" campaign.
Events Dear Boy!
Peter.
Name one promise from the leave side that has proved false.
The Brexit agreement we got is almost identical to what Vote Leave promised. Unsurprisingly as it was negotiated by the same team with the same objectives.
Total BS
So you can't name even one promise from Vote Leave that proved false? 🤔
They promised we would leave the Single Market and Customs Union, sign a trade deal, take back control of laws, money, borders, courts and be able to sign free trade deals.
We left the Single Market and Customs union, signed a trade deal and took back control of laws, money, borders, courts and are able to sign free trade deals.
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The US president’s outburst occurred during a call with Jared Kushner, his son-in-law and the US peace envoy, Steve Witkoff, his Middle East envoy, and Mr Netanyahu, according to a new book by two journalists from The New York Times.
The group was reportedly discussing the 20-point Gaza peace plan, announced by Mr Trump in September 2025 after nearly two years of intense fighting between Israel and Hamas.
The fiery exchange is detailed in the new book Regime Change, which was released on Tuesday.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/06/23/trump-netanyahu-regime-change-jews/?WT.mc_id=tmgoff_tw_post
Still without Brexit we wouldn't have had Prime Minister Johnson, so it had its positives.
Why not-Farage, and why Pochin in particular?
It is more than any of their other candidates have managed.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/antifa-prairieland-ice-protest-prison-sentences-b3001526.html
https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Zugverkehr-bundesweit-ausgesetzt-id31004134.html
"The trains are at the stations or on an open track, passengers are stuck: The traffic of the Deutsche Bahn is suspended nationwide due to a radio disturbance. This was confirmed by a spokesman for Deutsche Bahn in the evening. For the time being, all trains will be stopped at stations or at a suitable location. Long-distance and regional trains as well as the S-Bahn are affected."
Russia?
Both England and Ghana pretty certain to progress now.
Anyway, happy with that. Top of the group. Clean sheet.
They promised we would leave the Single Market and Customs Union, sign a trade deal, take back control of laws, money, borders, courts and be able to sign free trade deals.
We left the Single Market and Customs union, signed a trade deal and took back control of laws, money, borders, courts and are able to sign free trade deals.
Exactly as they said.
Five Americans have been arrested for putting/ growing algae in the pool.
Not a socialist on sight
Exactly as Remain said.