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Keir today, gone tomorrow (well September) – politicalbetting.com

Starmer says nominations for a new Labour Party leader will open on July 9, and will be completed by summer recess. He says if there is a contest, this would allow a new leader in place before Parliament returns in September.

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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,989
    But OrangeManBad can’t even fix a reflecting pool!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,975
    F##king Steve Bray again. I thought they passed a law to take his equipment off him for his stupid stunts.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    fpt
    LostPassword said:

    HYUFD said:

    Starmer resigns as leader of the Labour party and NEC will start the process of electing a new leader in July. Starmer will remain as PM until September and the new leader is elected

    If only one person [Burnham] is nominated then Starmer will be out in July, when nominations close.

    He only stays on until September if there's a second candidate nominated so it guess to a vote among the membership, etc.
    Hopefully that's the plan. Gives Burnham a bit of time to do some planning - there were stories this morning that Burnham's people were looking for a few months to work out what he was going to do. And allows Starmer to lead the UK team to the EU summit before bowing out on a relative high.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,060
    I really don't understand why we have to wait until 9th July for nominations to open.

    It should happen today.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,545
    I still don't think there will be a contest.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,989
    SirKeir’s statement video (7 mins):

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/2068974834676342973

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,208
    The end of the Keir show.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 717
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    F##king Steve Bray again. I thought they passed a law to take his equipment off him for his stupid stunts.

    He needs to be dragged to The Tower
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,203
    So Theresa May has already outlasted 3 PMs since she left office seven years ago. Who would have predicted that?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,012
    @TheScreamingEagles , @rcs1000, my article please! Amaze amaze amaze! It is short and sweet and pleasant! Good timing, yes?!
  • eekeek Posts: 34,149
    oxfordsimon said:

    I really don't understand why we have to wait until 9th July for nominations to open.

    It should happen today.

    This gives time for ZmpS to decide who they will nominate - and also means that if Burnham is the only candidate that’s a carefully thought position rather than a rushed one.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,895
    A good point for Cape Verde 👍
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 717
    So nominations open for 3 weeks, and then the coronation of The Prince Over The WaterAndy Burnham
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,463
    Why not open nominations immediately? The last thing we need is more drift.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 10,156
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    F##king Steve Bray again. I thought they passed a law to take his equipment off him for his stupid stunts.

    Someone should secretly creep up behind him with wirecutters and cut the power lead. then disappear into the crowd.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,149
    viewcode said:

    @TheScreamingEagles , @rcs1000, my article please! Amaze amaze amaze! It is short and sweet and pleasant! Good timing, yes?!

    I suspect it will be next, let’s just spend a few hours discussing the departure first
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,176
    https://x.com/TimesRadio/status/2068964624469278902

    Patrick Maguire once described Keir Starmer as a "decent man" and said he's never received more complaints ... from Labour people.

    "[They said] I agree with every word of your column up to the last bit. He's not a decent man."
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 717
    viewcode said:

    @TheScreamingEagles , @rcs1000, my article please! Amaze amaze amaze! It is short and sweet and pleasant! Good timing, yes?!

    Just finished reading PHM, better than the film, much much much.
    Fist my bump
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,414
    Northern_Al said:

    Despite all the sneering, I thought Starmer's exit statement was statesmanlike and dignified, clearly putting the Labour Party before his own ego. Very different from Boris's waspish words when he left the stage.

    I agree and playing ode to joy over his statement was utterly disrespectful and does nothing to help re join argument
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,989
    edited 8:51AM
    There’s always a Tweet:

    https://x.com/andyburnhamgm/status/1547115228885929984

    “We need to start demanding a General Election at the end of this Tory leadership election.“ 13/07/2022
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,203
    Sweeney74 said:

    So nominations open for 3 weeks, and then the coronation of The Prince Over The WaterAndy Burnham

    Not if Starmer backing MPs nominate Streeting to ensure Burnham faces a leadership contest
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,160
    Northern_Al said:

    Despite all the sneering, I thought Starmer's exit statement was statesmanlike and dignified, clearly putting the Labour Party before his own ego. Very different from Boris's waspish words when he left the stage.

    One of his better speeches, for sure.

    If he'd been able to sell that list of achievements, he might not be out!
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,022
    kle4 said:

    I miss Keir already.

    Who?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,398
    Streeting has done a deal with Burnham. You heard it here first...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,172
    Barnesian said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    F##king Steve Bray again. I thought they passed a law to take his equipment off him for his stupid stunts.

    Someone should secretly creep up behind him with wirecutters and cut the power lead. then disappear into the crowd.
    Your sure it is the power lead they should be cutting?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    oxfordsimon said:

    I really don't understand why we have to wait until 9th July for nominations to open.

    It should happen today.

    Burnham wants planning time + Starmer wants a managed departure and probably the EU summit, not be shuffled out today. Also I suspect, knowing the Labour Party, its internal machinery, NEC etc., needs time to call its meetings and get its ducks in order.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,732
    Morning, fellow popcorn munchers.


  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,160
    edited 8:53AM
    viewcode said:

    @TheScreamingEagles , @rcs1000, my article please! Amaze amaze amaze! It is short and sweet and pleasant! Good timing, yes?!

    Is it your pitch to be labour leader?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,208
    Should Starmer have tweeted what he did on 20th June given the man in question re Edinburgh has been charged and so proceedings are "active" ?!?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,732
    Over to you Wes.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,611
    The end of the (Brittas) Empire.

    We did warn you, Labour.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    HYUFD said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    So nominations open for 3 weeks, and then the coronation of The Prince Over The WaterAndy Burnham

    Not if Starmer backing MPs nominate Streeting to ensure Burnham faces a leadership contest
    They won't.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,545
    viewcode said:

    @TheScreamingEagles , @rcs1000, my article please! Amaze amaze amaze! It is short and sweet and pleasant! Good timing, yes?!

    Are you 4 years old, Jesus Christ
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,545
    In the end he didn't draw it out after Burnham's victory. I wonder if that was his plan all along as soon as Burnham said he would run as an MP again.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,571
    Barnesian said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    F##king Steve Bray again. I thought they passed a law to take his equipment off him for his stupid stunts.

    Someone should secretly creep up behind him with wirecutters and cut the power lead. then disappear into the crowd.
    Too easy to repair the power lead. What you do is pour sugar into the generator. (I was told this by a police officer in Edinburgh)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Streeting has done a deal with Burnham. You heard it here first...

    Streeting hasn't got much leverage, since the few nuclear options he has will sink his career within his party. His selling points are his comms ability and his favourability to the financial markets. Whether Burnham would actually want him as CofE remains to be seen - a big attraction for Andy would be that his principal rival then soaks up all the unpopularity incoming from however they raise some more money/cut spending.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 717
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    So nominations open for 3 weeks, and then the coronation of The Prince Over The WaterAndy Burnham

    Not if Starmer backing MPs nominate Streeting to ensure Burnham faces a leadership contest
    They won't.
    indeed, better to be on the bus than standing in front of it
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,446
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Northern_Al said:

    Despite all the sneering, I thought Starmer's exit statement was statesmanlike and dignified, clearly putting the Labour Party before his own ego. Very different from Boris's waspish words when he left the stage.

    I agree and playing ode to joy over his statement was utterly disrespectful and does nothing to help re join argument
    He's a mole for Farage, I'm convinced.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,414
    HYUFD said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    So nominations open for 3 weeks, and then the coronation of The Prince Over The WaterAndy Burnham

    Not if Starmer backing MPs nominate Streeting to ensure Burnham faces a leadership contest
    I very much doubt this will be anything but a coronation with Burnham PM by no later than the end of July
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,208
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Streeting has done a deal with Burnham. You heard it here first...

    I'm hoping it's to be chancellor and stuffs Ed Miliband, I'd be happy with that but I doubt it is
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,611
    Sweeney74 said:

    viewcode said:

    @TheScreamingEagles , @rcs1000, my article please! Amaze amaze amaze! It is short and sweet and pleasant! Good timing, yes?!

    Just finished reading PHM, better than the film, much much much.
    Fist my bump
    The film is still magnificent.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,398
    Date correction. A process complete "by the summer recess". Which is 16th July. Not 30th. I blame AI for proffering the wrong date
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,989
    MelonB said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Northern_Al said:

    Despite all the sneering, I thought Starmer's exit statement was statesmanlike and dignified, clearly putting the Labour Party before his own ego. Very different from Boris's waspish words when he left the stage.

    I agree and playing ode to joy over his statement was utterly disrespectful and does nothing to help re join argument
    He's a mole for Farage, I'm convinced.
    Being an obnoxious arsehole 24/7/365 is not likely to convince the undecided to back your cause, that’s for sure.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,571
    Selebian said:

    Northern_Al said:

    Despite all the sneering, I thought Starmer's exit statement was statesmanlike and dignified, clearly putting the Labour Party before his own ego. Very different from Boris's waspish words when he left the stage.

    One of his better speeches, for sure.

    If he'd been able to sell that list of achievements, he might not be out!
    But it was a list of things he wanted to achieve, is it true that they were achieved?

    Is business investment up? Is infrastructure being built more quickly? Defence spending is up - but he just had his Defence Secretary resign because it isn't going up fast enough.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,028
    This will be my son’s fifth prime minister since he was born - and he’s 6.

    https://x.com/jessicaelgot/status/2068964817344266383

    Mine has got their second for their second birthday…

    https://x.com/PGourtsoyannis/status/2068980810091266392
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,611
    londonpubman said:

    A good point for Cape Verde 👍

    Need Spain to tonk Uruguay - and a point off the Saudis will see them through to the next round I think.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    viewcode said:

    @TheScreamingEagles , @rcs1000, my article please! Amaze amaze amaze! It is short and sweet and pleasant! Good timing, yes?!

    Are you 4 years old, Jesus Christ
    Must have been hard for him to knuckle down to all those reading and writing lessons at that age, already knowing he'd be able to work actual miracles as an adult?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,028
    Can relate 100% to this

    Solidarity to everyone who keeps saying to their spouses “I think it will calm down a bit after this.”

    https://x.com/jessicaelgot/status/2068968929419010366
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,087
    [Darth Vader voice] This is a day long to be remembered. It has seen the end of Starmer. It shall soon see the end of the Labour Party!
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,545
    In the end, he did the Neil Kinnock job, just in government instead
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,012
    Selebian said:

    Northern_Al said:

    Despite all the sneering, I thought Starmer's exit statement was statesmanlike and dignified, clearly putting the Labour Party before his own ego. Very different from Boris's waspish words when he left the stage.

    One of his better speeches, for sure.

    If he'd been able to sell that list of achievements, he might not be out!
    In order to sell that list of achievements, it had to be true. A lot of it wasn't. The obvious example was "restoring trust on the economy, defence and national security". He didn't. Quite the opposite in fact. But he still put it in the speech.

    This was the fundamental problem with Starmerism: he confuses words with deeds and facts. He thinks if he says something it is true. It isn't. That's the problem. And now we have the only solution to the problem left available.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,028
    viewcode said:

    @TheScreamingEagles , @rcs1000, my article please! Amaze amaze amaze! It is short and sweet and pleasant! Good timing, yes?!

    12pm

    Have to getting the betting thread first.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Date correction. A process complete "by the summer recess". Which is 16th July. Not 30th. I blame AI for proffering the wrong date

    I still think the scheduled summit with Ursula will be when they fix up his leaving party.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,414
    Who would have thought Starmer would resign less than 2 years from his landslide victory but such is politics
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,596
    Foxy said:

    The important bit is that Starmer is not standing against the challenger.

    Can anyone else get 81 nominations other than Burnham? I think not.

    I suspect Streeting can add up and realises that endorsing Burnham would be the wise move.

    As Burnham will obviously win it would seem petty dumb for any ambitious MP to support a challenger. I can't see Streeting or anyone else getting 81 nominations.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,463
    Does anyone know how long nomiations will be open for? Trying to work out the earliest date that Burnham could become PM.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,545
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Foxy said:

    The important bit is that Starmer is not standing against the challenger.

    Can anyone else get 81 nominations other than Burnham? I think not.

    I suspect Streeting can add up and realises that endorsing Burnham would be the wise move.

    As Burnham will obviously win it would seem petty dumb for any ambitious MP to support a challenger. I can't see Streeting or anyone else getting 81 nominations.
    I suspect Burnham gets at least 250 and then will persuade others up to 300, at which point it will be pointless for anyone to challenge him.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,087
    Sandpit said:

    But OrangeManBad can’t even fix a reflecting pool!

    Did he poo his pants again???
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,989
    edited 9:05AM
    Andy_JS said:

    Does anyone know how long nomiations will be open for? Trying to work out the earliest date that Burnham could become PM.

    Nominations open from 9th to 16th July.

    I guess the question is can the NEC truncate the campaign at that point, if there’s only one unopposed nomination? Presumably they meet this week to set the rules.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,895
    Is there a market up one when Andy Burnham resigns as PM?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,208
    edited 9:07AM
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This will be my son’s fifth prime minister since he was born - and he’s 6.

    https://x.com/jessicaelgot/status/2068964817344266383

    Mine has got their second for their second birthday…

    https://x.com/PGourtsoyannis/status/2068980810091266392

    It'll be my daughter's fifth and she only turned 4 a couple of months ago.

    I had to wait till I was almost 29 for my fifth

    (Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,087
    MarqueeMark said:

    The end of the (Brittas) Empire.

    We did warn you, Labour.

    Ace Starmer - what a guy!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,414
    MelonB said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Northern_Al said:

    Despite all the sneering, I thought Starmer's exit statement was statesmanlike and dignified, clearly putting the Labour Party before his own ego. Very different from Boris's waspish words when he left the stage.

    I agree and playing ode to joy over his statement was utterly disrespectful and does nothing to help re join argument
    He's a mole for Farage, I'm convinced.
    He is not helping his cause
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 717
    So, Reeves out as CoE too, surely.
    What does this mean for the bond markets?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,028
    Just a reminder my holiday starts this Thursday and I'm not back at work until the 27th of July.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,895
    MarqueeMark said:

    londonpubman said:

    A good point for Cape Verde 👍

    Need Spain to tonk Uruguay - and a point off the Saudis will see them through to the next round I think.
    A point for Cape Verde should be enough even if third given a zero goal difference.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,998
    Why do they need 19 days of lame duckery before they open nominations, it can't take them that long to count the MPs.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    viewcode said:

    Selebian said:

    Northern_Al said:

    Despite all the sneering, I thought Starmer's exit statement was statesmanlike and dignified, clearly putting the Labour Party before his own ego. Very different from Boris's waspish words when he left the stage.

    One of his better speeches, for sure.

    If he'd been able to sell that list of achievements, he might not be out!
    In order to sell that list of achievements, it had to be true. A lot of it wasn't. The obvious example was "restoring trust on the economy, defence and national security". He didn't. Quite the opposite in fact. But he still put it in the speech.

    This was the fundamental problem with Starmerism: he confuses words with deeds and facts. He thinks if he says something it is true. It isn't. That's the problem. And now we have the only solution to the problem left available.
    Too many politicians confuse the output of their own work - which is mostly announcements, speeches, interviews and decisions - with actual achievements that improve voters' lives out in the real world. Johnson was the classic example; once he'd announced something he was only ever interested in the next new thing he could announce.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,028
    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This will be my son’s fifth prime minister since he was born - and he’s 6.

    https://x.com/jessicaelgot/status/2068964817344266383

    Mine has got their second for their second birthday…

    https://x.com/PGourtsoyannis/status/2068980810091266392

    It'll be my daughter's fifth and she only turned 4 a couple of months ago.
    Burham will be the sixth PM since July 2016 so six PMs in 10 years.

    Prior to that, we only had six PMs in 40 years.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    viewcode said:

    @TheScreamingEagles , @rcs1000, my article please! Amaze amaze amaze! It is short and sweet and pleasant! Good timing, yes?!

    12pm

    Have to getting the betting thread first.
    Midnight!
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,022
    I seem to recall last time it was 40C (in 2022) we were going through a leadership election, and that resulted in TRUSS. Midsummer madness.

    I hope this isn't a repeat.


    PS UKV model now looks appalling over a wide area on Thursday. 41C here in the Flatlands, but this time with humidity. Unfortunately this is going to kill people.
    https://x.com/BostonWeatherUK/status/2068945973255008746/photo/1
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,273
    Your daily reminder that Labour is. in fact... Ending. The. Chaos.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,379
    edmundintokyo said:

    Why do they need 19 days of lame duckery before they open nominations, it can't take them that long to count the MPs.

    If it were quick and easy it would happen more often...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,012
    Sweeney74 Selebian eek

    About the upcoming article (which the mods may not publish: there are no guarantees). I have to warn you that it isn't like my usual ones, which are usually researched and cited with citations, just like a grown-up. This one was tossed off in about half-a-hour and only had two versions[1] and has no citations nor illustration. It's just that the confluence of two recent events and the obvious metaphor[2] was obvious, and the article wrote itself.

    [1] @TheScreamingEagles , please publish the latest one, not the first draft
    [2] Simile, analogy, whatever
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,208
    Sweeney74 said:

    So, Reeves out as CoE too, surely.
    What does this mean for the bond markets?

    Depends who the replacement is.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,463
    edited 9:09AM
    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Does anyone know how long nomiations will be open for? Trying to work out the earliest date that Burnham could become PM.

    Nominations open from 9th to 16th July.

    I guess the question is can the NEC truncate the campaign at that point, if there’s only one unopposed nomination? Presumably they meet this week to set the rules.
    Thanks. So Burnham could be PM on Friday 17th July.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,504
    I half wonder if Ed Balls might be drafted into the Lords and appointed Chancellor....

    Him and Burnham are pals from the old days, aren't they? I remember that swing photoshoot.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 717
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This will be my son’s fifth prime minister since he was born - and he’s 6.

    https://x.com/jessicaelgot/status/2068964817344266383

    Mine has got their second for their second birthday…

    https://x.com/PGourtsoyannis/status/2068980810091266392

    It'll be my daughter's fifth and she only turned 4 a couple of months ago.
    Burham will be the sixth PM since July 2016 so six PMs in 10 years.

    Prior to that, we only had six PMs in 40 years.
    My Son is 15, when AB is crowned, he will have lived through 8 PMs
    8 PMs before he can even vote
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,203
    Malmesbury said:

    Is there a market up one when Andy Burnham resigns as PM?

    After Kemi's shock 2028 general election win?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,571
    Thinking about all the living ex-PMs, and I can't say that I think any of them went before their time.

    I would say that Britain is going through PMs extraordinarily quickly because the people chosen to become PM simply aren't that good at it.

    Will Burnham be better? Will he be good enough to remain PM after the next election?

    I would guess not. But he has a better chance than Starmer did.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,028
    Mortimer said:

    I half wonder if Ed Balls might be drafted into the Lords and appointed Chancellor....

    Him and Burnham are pals from the old days, aren't they? I remember that swing photoshoot.

    Chancellor has to be a member of the Commons.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,895
    Flatlander said:

    I seem to recall last time it was 40C (in 2022) we were going through a leadership election, and that resulted in TRUSS. Midsummer madness.

    I hope this isn't a repeat.


    PS UKV model now looks appalling over a wide area on Thursday. 41C here in the Flatlands, but this time with humidity. Unfortunately this is going to kill people.
    https://x.com/BostonWeatherUK/status/2068945973255008746/photo/1

    Your regular reminder that natural ventilation begins to stop working at about 25c.

    And we are still trying to prevent AC on new buildings.

    If you have modern construction, air sourced heat pumps (AC that can work in reverse to heat, if required) is awesome.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,590
    Can we have a list of media lefties from July 2024 with their predictions of how successful Starmer would be as PM.

    Here's one to start off with:

    The arrogant, reckless Tory government left behind a mountain of mess. In one week, we’ve begun to clear it.

    Now is the time for politics as public service. A government committed not to its self-preservation but to uniting the country in the shared mission of national renewal. The start of the road back to restoring people’s hope and faith that politics can be a force for good. No more gimmicks, lies and self-serving self-obsession – this government knows we have a duty to the people we are elected to serve.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/12/toory-government-mess-keir-starmer
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 717
    The average life expectancy of a newly installed PM over the last 15 years is about 2.7 years. My new dishwasher has a longer warranty.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,733
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Mortimer said:

    I half wonder if Ed Balls might be drafted into the Lords and appointed Chancellor....

    Him and Burnham are pals from the old days, aren't they? I remember that swing photoshoot.

    Chancellor has to be a member of the Commons.
    All we need then is for someone to stand down for him in a by-election...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,895
    HYUFD said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Is there a market up one when Andy Burnham resigns as PM?

    After Kemi's shock 2028 general election win?
    You think he will last till the election? Optimistic there.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,545
    another_richard said:

    Can we have a list of media lefties from July 2024 with their predictions of how successful Starmer would be as PM.

    Here's one to start off with:

    The arrogant, reckless Tory government left behind a mountain of mess. In one week, we’ve begun to clear it.

    Now is the time for politics as public service. A government committed not to its self-preservation but to uniting the country in the shared mission of national renewal. The start of the road back to restoring people’s hope and faith that politics can be a force for good. No more gimmicks, lies and self-serving self-obsession – this government knows we have a duty to the people we are elected to serve.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/12/toory-government-mess-keir-starmer

    I thought he'd be successful and I was wrong. Happy?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,398
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Mortimer said:

    I half wonder if Ed Balls might be drafted into the Lords and appointed Chancellor....

    Him and Burnham are pals from the old days, aren't they? I remember that swing photoshoot.

    Chancellor has to be a member of the Commons.
    Do they though?

    It won't be Ed Balls. But if Burnham wants a Peer as Chancellor they would find a workaround and create a Commons mouthpiece. Chief Secretary to the Chancellor or something.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,998
    Australia consistently get this job done in under a week, sometimes overnight. Would it help if we called it a spill?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,028
    edited 9:14AM
    RochdalePioneers said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Mortimer said:

    I half wonder if Ed Balls might be drafted into the Lords and appointed Chancellor....

    Him and Burnham are pals from the old days, aren't they? I remember that swing photoshoot.

    Chancellor has to be a member of the Commons.
    Do they though?

    It won't be Ed Balls. But if Burnham wants a Peer as Chancellor they would find a workaround and create a Commons mouthpiece. Chief Secretary to the Chancellor or something.
    It is to do with the Lords not being able to amend/introduce money bills.

    There was an article about this when Farage said he wanted a cabinet outside of parliament/US style cabinet.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,101
    When does Burnham’s long march to London begin? Can we expect tanks?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,610
    "He had to resign"

    "Why?"

    "They won the by election"

    "Wait, what..?"
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,722
    edited 9:17AM
    Good morning everyone and thanks for the header.

    I'm off topic today, so I have a question about Council Problem Reporting Apps.

    Does anyone have any experience with these? I'm playing with the Notts CC one, which lets me report from the spot just by talking to my mobile phone, and my first reported broken fence was repaired in about 3 days - which is somewhere between outstanding and commendable. So they are now going to get various problems reported from my daily constitutionals.

    Of course, the bloody thing limits locations it recognises largely to ROADS. Public highways such as Public Footpaths and Bridleways, and Council provided pathways - nope, so it engages a reporting process which takes 5x as long, unless one can finesse it into a roads-adjacent category. Parks - not sure yet. And so on.

    And the categories of fault are what we refer to as motor-normative. I can report a smashed up pavement caused by people parking on it on a massively wide road, causing trip hazards and compensation payments to pensioners with broken bones, but deal with the cause of the smashed up pavement - no hope there, at least in Notts at this time.

    We shall see.
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