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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,732

    I see the Met Office has just upped its heat warning for Wednesday and Thursday to red. They're forecasting 39C here in the midlands.

    God this is going to be awful.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,101

    I see the Met Office has just upped its heat warning for Wednesday and Thursday to red. They're forecasting 39C here in the midlands.

    Never would have happened under SKS
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,101
    According to the MetOffice it will be a delightful 25C on Thursday here in the Toon
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,596

    eek said:

    He blubbed.

    The utter hatred of Starmer for his eulogy to his father on Father's Day in X yesterday is worth a look. The entire nation loathe him.

    It would have been very surprising if it hadn't been emotional and on a human level one can sympathise

    The next question is will he sit on the backbenches like Sunak or leave politics?
    While it would be fun to see Rishi and Starmer do a Statler and Waldorf tribute act, I can see SKS quietly retiring
    The EU will find him a nice sinecure.
    Unlikely given he is not a citizen of an EU member state.
    It will be related to delivering Rejoin....
    It won't.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,696

    I see the Met Office has just upped its heat warning for Wednesday and Thursday to red. They're forecasting 39C here in the midlands.

    Tomorrow, the midnight 'feels like' is forecast to be 28C. That'll be fun.

    On an entirely unrelated note, does anyone have a portable aircon unit and, if so, is it worth getting?
    Yes, but make sure you've got somewhere you put the tail pipe out of a window.
    So-called split unit air conditioners seem popular now, as a better approach to venting hot air than trailing a hot pipe across the room.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,773
    algarkirk said:

    FF43 said:

    algarkirk said:

    If I understood Starmer's speech correctly, he agreed to be a senior shadow cabinet member of a corrupt and morally bankrupt opposition, and in the following six years as leader then PM sorted first the party and then as PM the country so that country and party are on the best possible track; in the process of performing this six year miracle he has lost the confidence of his own MPs to the extent that they have more or less no belief that they can keep their seats with him as leader.

    His account makes no sense.

    "I was much better than people think I was"

    Obviously those people don't think that, hence his departure. Starmer doesn't have to agree.
    I can comprehend a PM getting everything right - as he told us - but still losing the confidence of a slightly dim public. But to get everything miraculously right, and your own MPs, who mostly owe their careers to your electoral genius, have no confidence in you and call on you to go makes no sense.

    Personally, the moment the PM lost me morally was when he fictitiously blamed a civil servant, who got sacked, for the PMs decision over Mandelson.

    It boils down to whether a prime minister's success is entirely measured by people's opinion of them as a leader or person, or whether their decisions and actions matter in their own right and can be assessed in some objective way.

    Not really commenting on whether I think Starmer's actions were the right ones but I am sympathetic to the idea they should be assessed separately from a sentiment the prime minister is crap.

  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,346

    I see the Met Office has just upped its heat warning for Wednesday and Thursday to red. They're forecasting 39C here in the midlands.

    Tomorrow, the midnight 'feels like' is forecast to be 28C. That'll be fun.

    On an entirely unrelated note, does anyone have a portable aircon unit and, if so, is it worth getting?
    Yes, but make sure you've got somewhere you put the tail pipe out of a window.
    So-called split unit air conditioners seem popular now, as a better approach to venting hot air than trailing a hot pipe across the room.
    Yes, those are best because the entire hot side of the system is then outside, as are most of the noisy parts.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,987
    edited 10:10AM

    I see the Met Office has just upped its heat warning for Wednesday and Thursday to red. They're forecasting 39C here in the midlands.

    40 degrees in Mecca

    39 degrees in Mecca bingo....
    38ºC in Dubai at the moment, where there’s a ban on working outdoors in the sun between 12:30 and 15:00.

    https://www.khaleejtimes.com/uae/uae-midday-break-starts-june-15-work-under-direct-sunlight-banned-during-peak-afternoon-hours

    Stay safe people.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,458

    I see the Met Office has just upped its heat warning for Wednesday and Thursday to red. They're forecasting 39C here in the midlands.

    Tomorrow, the midnight 'feels like' is forecast to be 28C. That'll be fun.

    On an entirely unrelated note, does anyone have a portable aircon unit and, if so, is it worth getting?
    Yes, but make sure you've got somewhere you put the tail pipe out of a window.
    So-called split unit air conditioners seem popular now, as a better approach to venting hot air than trailing a hot pipe across the room.
    So reading up you have refridegerant lines linking the two.

    We position our portable air con by the window so the elephant trunk to vent the warm air is close to the window. Works pretty well. Bedroom temp was 19 deg C when the lounge next door was 30 deg C.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,208
    Andy_JS said:

    I see the Met Office has just upped its heat warning for Wednesday and Thursday to red. They're forecasting 39C here in the midlands.

    Yet the BBC says 35 degrees in B'ham as the peak temperature. That's a significant difference.
    It's going to be very hot but quite how hot depends on which model you want to look at, a bit like opinion polling tbh.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,411
    Some very high humidity in the south means the humidex values are touching 36c already .

    Sinner will be very relieved that Wimbledon starts next Monday and not today !
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,458

    I see the Met Office has just upped its heat warning for Wednesday and Thursday to red. They're forecasting 39C here in the midlands.

    God this is going to be awful.
    Friday will feel quite chilly by comparison.

    I would fancy batting first in the test on Thursday (Trent Bridge). Not in the red, but will be plenty hot enough!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,458
    Pulpstar said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I see the Met Office has just upped its heat warning for Wednesday and Thursday to red. They're forecasting 39C here in the midlands.

    Yet the BBC says 35 degrees in B'ham as the peak temperature. That's a significant difference.
    It's going to be very hot but quite how hot depends on which model you want to look at, a bit like opinion polling tbh.
    And the apps all use different models. Never rely on direct model output.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,630
    edited 10:10AM
    HYUFD said:

    Borrowing costs rise and sterling falls as the City expects a Burnham government to shift the country further left

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/06/22/pound-uk-bonds-borrowing-costs-starmer-burnham-ftse-100/

    The one place we don’t want our islands is any closer to the US
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,460
    "“He got to the top without any political savvy,” says a politico on Labour’s centrist wing. “I’m not sure he even likes politics. He has an inability to read the room and did nothing to bring the parliamentary party with him. He picked all the wrong fights with all the wrong people at all the wrong times – and then lost them.”"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/22/keir-starmer-labour-landslide-failure/
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,458
    Sandpit said:

    I see the Met Office has just upped its heat warning for Wednesday and Thursday to red. They're forecasting 39C here in the midlands.

    40 degrees in Mecca

    39 degrees in Mecca bingo....
    38ºC in Dubai at the moment, where there’s a ban on working outdoors in the sun between 12:30 and 15:00.

    https://www.khaleejtimes.com/uae/uae-midday-break-starts-june-15-work-under-direct-sunlight-banned-during-peak-afternoon-hours

    Stay safe people.
    During 2020, that stupidly nice weather in lockdown, I managed to get close to heat stroke painting my house on my flat garage roof. It wasn't this hot. At work we have some contractors doing roof work all day in the sun. I genuinely think they need to look at their risk assessments.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,135

    IanB2 said:

    SKS goes to podium lists his "achievements", many of which are pure fiction, fails to acknowledge any mistakes.

    Total lack of self awareness to the end.

    If he has been as successful as he thinks why has he gone. SKS Fans please explain

    I’ll miss the SKS fans please explain
    AMB fans - of which he starts with rather more - might have some explaining to do, before too long?
    I predict PB will publish a thread by next May saying Labour should bring back Starmer.
    As you're the editor, won't that be a self-fulfillable prophesy ?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,022
    edited 10:13AM

    I see the Met Office has just upped its heat warning for Wednesday and Thursday to red. They're forecasting 39C here in the midlands.

    God this is going to be awful.
    Friday will feel quite chilly by comparison.

    I would fancy batting first in the test on Thursday (Trent Bridge). Not in the red, but will be plenty hot enough!
    The high resolution models have 41C on Thursday for Nottingham.

    I'm not sure the game should even go ahead if that is anywhere close to the truth.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,609
    Streeting backs Burnham

    They think it's all over...
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,458
    Sweeney74 said:

    I don’t like Andy Burnham. I’ve said so on these pages several times and don’t intend to revisit the argument.

    However.

    If he is to be the next PM, and if he is to effect meaningful change, then I wish him well. I want the government to succeed. Only a churl would actively wish it to fail.

    The country can seem ungovernable at times, but that is a symptom rather than a cause of our malaise. When people feel poorer, when standards appear to be slipping, and when government seems cloth-eared to the national mood on issue after issue, no leader or party is given anything resembling a fair hearing.

    Labour’s shallow landslide was evidence of this: more a reaction to the Tory omni-shambles than a wholehearted endorsement of Labour’s programme.

    Labour can turn this around, but not by persisting with Starmer-style managerialism. Can Burnham bring some of Manchester with him? Can he offer a clearer sense of direction and purpose? Can he make any real difference?

    I remain sceptical, but I wish him well.

    BIB - too often in recent times we have had this or at least the impression of this. Over Brexit too many remainers seemed over joyed by bad economic news, for instance. And there is little doubt that Starmer made hay out of covid and tried to pin everything on the government.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,987
    The Russian plant at Voronezh, hit this morning, appears to be a significant target. They make electonics such as guidance and targeting systems for weapons.

    https://x.com/tendar/status/2068992409371832756
    https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2068988586779705805
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,379
    This is the one time of year I am thankful for living in a basement flat. I doubt it will reach 26°.

    A shame not to be able to have the windows open though.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,979
    Bye bye Keir. You weren't good enough.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,609
    @paulbrand.bsky.social‬

    BREAKING: Wes Streeting folds in behind Andy Burnham.

    Burnham looks set to be Prime Minister in July.

    https://bsky.app/profile/paulbrand.bsky.social/post/3mounfcqac22n
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,630
    Daily Mirror:

    Donald Trump may not attend a World Cup match involving an English-speaking team, after brutal fan chants linking the president to his old pal Jeffrey Epstein went viral.

    Concern is understood to be so high that questions are being asked about whether the US leader will present the trophy at the July 19 final, amid fears over what supporters could sing should he appear. White House officials are claimed to be attempting to shield Trump from the hostility on the terraces, particularly from fans of English-speaking nations.

    Supporters from England, Scotland, Australia and New Zealand have all created songs that now echo through bars before matches and inside stadiums during games. A source said: "There isn't a fan alive who doesn't know how fragile Trump's ego is. In recent months, he has had to contend with widespread booing whenever he attends major sporting events in America, but this is another level entirely.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,022
    Scott_xP said:

    Streeting backs Burnham

    They think it's all over...

    Streeting as Chancellor then? There must have been a deal.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,460
    Streeting throws in the towel.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,641

    Streeting has done a deal with Burnham. You heard it here first...

    Read, to be precise, and I’m sure Horse said it the other day too.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,135
    edited 10:16AM

    eek said:

    Pulpstar said:

    This will be my son’s fifth prime minister since he was born - and he’s 6.

    https://x.com/jessicaelgot/status/2068964817344266383

    Mine has got their second for their second birthday…

    https://x.com/PGourtsoyannis/status/2068980810091266392

    It'll be my daughter's fifth and she only turned 4 a couple of months ago.
    Burham will be the sixth PM since July 2016 so six PMs in 10 years.

    Prior to that, we only had six PMs in 40 years.
    The point of Brexit was to take back control.

    I think all it’s showing is how ungovernable this country is with expectations well beyond reality
    One of the more plausible arguments for Brexit was the one that said it stopped British politicians slopey-sholdering things that go wrong onto Europe. One point of sharp accountability. If the Westminster government doesn't deliver what the people want, the Westminster government is responsible and they're out.

    What that argument doesn't account for is when the people want things that are impossible. Or impossible without absurd cost or consequences. Or get overtaken by events. Or when the people want multiple things that contradict.

    That problem was there before 2016, but it's been worse... much worse... since.
    One might say that in that case Brexit has worked exactly as it should. Now we can all see the Emperor (PM) has no clothes, hence the reason we get through them so quickly.

    We need a completely different type of PM, one who is not simply managing on behalf of the EU but is actually leading the country and taking responsibility. I don't think any of them have really grasped this concept yet.

    That it's taken a decade to offer that analysis doesn't say much for Brexit "working as it should".

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,987

    Sandpit said:

    I see the Met Office has just upped its heat warning for Wednesday and Thursday to red. They're forecasting 39C here in the midlands.

    40 degrees in Mecca

    39 degrees in Mecca bingo....
    38ºC in Dubai at the moment, where there’s a ban on working outdoors in the sun between 12:30 and 15:00.

    https://www.khaleejtimes.com/uae/uae-midday-break-starts-june-15-work-under-direct-sunlight-banned-during-peak-afternoon-hours

    Stay safe people.
    During 2020, that stupidly nice weather in lockdown, I managed to get close to heat stroke painting my house on my flat garage roof. It wasn't this hot. At work we have some contractors doing roof work all day in the sun. I genuinely think they need to look at their risk assessments.
    Yep. Contractors and councils should look at something similar to the Midday Break rule in extremis.

    Work split shifts or work in the shade during the heat of the day.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,965

    Bye bye Keir. You weren't good enough.

    He’s Keirput
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,173
    Scott_xP said:

    @paulbrand.bsky.social‬

    BREAKING: Wes Streeting folds in behind Andy Burnham.

    Burnham looks set to be Prime Minister in July.

    https://bsky.app/profile/paulbrand.bsky.social/post/3mounfcqac22n

    He should have waited a bit to make it less obvious.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,641
    dixiedean said:

    Mortimer said:

    I half wonder if Ed Balls might be drafted into the Lords and appointed Chancellor....

    Him and Burnham are pals from the old days, aren't they? I remember that swing photoshoot.

    Chancellor has to be a member of the Commons.
    All we need then is for someone to stand down for him in a by-election...
    Why on earth would he do it

    He’s got a decent career as a TV personality now.

    Easy money, little stress, Susanne on the Sofa.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,148

    Scott_xP said:

    @paulbrand.bsky.social‬

    BREAKING: Wes Streeting folds in behind Andy Burnham.

    Burnham looks set to be Prime Minister in July.

    https://bsky.app/profile/paulbrand.bsky.social/post/3mounfcqac22n

    He should have waited a bit to make it less obvious.
    Why? The whole point is to stop this going into a contested election.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,023

    NEW THREAD

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,172
    Scott_xP said:

    @paulbrand.bsky.social‬

    BREAKING: Wes Streeting folds in behind Andy Burnham.

    Burnham looks set to be Prime Minister in July.

    https://bsky.app/profile/paulbrand.bsky.social/post/3mounfcqac22n

    In light of this the whole process seems peculiarly protracted. I really don't see why Burnham couldn't start next week.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,641


    Tom Harwood
    @tomhfh

    It is absurd that we live in a country that is enthusiastic to arrest people for tweets, but seemingly unable to unplug Steve Bray’s amplifier whenever a Prime Minister resigns.

    There’s a legitimacy to people shouting at the end of Downing Street.

    But amplifying your voice or music with a massive speaker? Piss off.

    Who funds this prick, Bray ?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,630
    It’s been quite windy down here by the sea overnight and still so this morning
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,571
    Andy_JS said:

    I see the Met Office has just upped its heat warning for Wednesday and Thursday to red. They're forecasting 39C here in the midlands.

    Yet the BBC says 35 degrees in B'ham as the peak temperature. That's a significant difference.
    Remember that the BBC forecast is ultimately derived from a global US model, while the Met Office forecast uses a much higher resolution UK model (nested within a European model, nested within a global model).

    The Met Office global model is also better than the US global model.

    Most of the time you would expect the Met Office forecast to be more accurate.
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 599
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @paulbrand.bsky.social‬

    BREAKING: Wes Streeting folds in behind Andy Burnham.

    Burnham looks set to be Prime Minister in July.

    https://bsky.app/profile/paulbrand.bsky.social/post/3mounfcqac22n

    He should have waited a bit to make it less obvious.
    Why? The whole point is to stop this going into a contested election.
    Perish the thought there might be any hint of democracy in the Labour party....
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,172

    Scott_xP said:

    Streeting backs Burnham

    They think it's all over...

    Streeting as Chancellor then? There must have been a deal.
    Streeting as Chancellor would be a very good start for Burnham. The markets would like that a lot more than Ed.
  • LDLFLDLF Posts: 184
    edited 10:22AM
    I am amused that, having been champing at the bit for the top job for years and with ever-increasing determination, Burnham's people have let it be known that he wants Starmer to stay for a while, while he works out exactly what his agenda as Prime Minister should be.

    Lord, give me the reigns of government, but not yet.

    As an anonymous Starmer ally put it to the New Statesman, they want Starmer to wait while Burnham 'learns his ABCS'.

    Given how long he has been angling for this position, he really ought to have prepared. Then again, the same could have been said of Starmer in 2024.

    Thankfully for Burnham, Starmer seems happy to comply for the time being.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,397
    Scott_xP said:

    Streeting backs Burnham

    They think it's all over...

    Did I not flag this earlier?
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,446
    edited 10:23AM
    carnforth said:

    This is the one time of year I am thankful for living in a basement flat. I doubt it will reach 26°.

    A shame not to be able to have the windows open though.

    I've timed my trip to central Anatolia perfectly.
    The UK humidity this time is way higher than in 2022. Fewer wildfires, but more OAP heat deaths.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,630
    edited 10:23AM
    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Streeting backs Burnham

    They think it's all over...

    Streeting as Chancellor then? There must have been a deal.
    Streeting as Chancellor would be a very good start for Burnham. The markets would like that a lot more than Ed.
    And Burnham would know where his rival was and be able to gift him a lot of the unpopularity incoming. On the downside, governments rarely work well without trust and a decent relationship between PM and CoE, and I don’t know whether those two have that?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,055


    Tom Harwood
    @tomhfh

    It is absurd that we live in a country that is enthusiastic to arrest people for tweets, but seemingly unable to unplug Steve Bray’s amplifier whenever a Prime Minister resigns.

    There’s a legitimacy to people shouting at the end of Downing Street.

    But amplifying your voice or music with a massive speaker? Piss off.

    If only they could pin Bray to the ground and put a 'I support Palestine action' t shirt on him, everything would be sorted.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,167
    Rayner has not endorsed Burnham in her dignified eulogy to Starmer.

    Far left coup against Burnham?

    Burnham jumps the gun on thanking Starmer (Burnham already considering himself PM).
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,605
    I will not miss Starmer's hair.

    Horrific sculpting.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 2,147
    Those of you (everyone) who didn't have Burnham as PM on 31st December 2026.
    Take heart, you could still be right!
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,618
    FF43 said:

    eek said:

    Pulpstar said:

    This will be my son’s fifth prime minister since he was born - and he’s 6.

    https://x.com/jessicaelgot/status/2068964817344266383

    Mine has got their second for their second birthday…

    https://x.com/PGourtsoyannis/status/2068980810091266392

    It'll be my daughter's fifth and she only turned 4 a couple of months ago.
    Burham will be the sixth PM since July 2016 so six PMs in 10 years.

    Prior to that, we only had six PMs in 40 years.
    The point of Brexit was to take back control.

    I think all it’s showing is how ungovernable this country is with expectations well beyond reality
    One of the more plausible arguments for Brexit was the one that said it stopped British politicians slopey-sholdering things that go wrong onto Europe. One point of sharp accountability. If the Westminster government doesn't deliver what the people want, the Westminster government is responsible and they're out.

    What that argument doesn't account for is when the people want things that are impossible. Or impossible without absurd cost or consequences. Or get overtaken by events. Or when the people want multiple things that contradict.

    That problem was there before 2016, but it's been worse... much worse... since.
    One might say that in that case Brexit has worked exactly as it should. Now we can all see the Emperor (PM) has no clothes, hence the reason we get through them so quickly.

    We need a completely different type of PM, one who is not simply managing on behalf of the EU but is actually leading the country and taking responsibility. I don't think any of them have really grasped this concept yet.

    That was the gist of Michael Gove's article in the Spectator defending Brexit against all evidence (that he ignored obviously). Brexit allowed the Conservative government to be utterly dire. Made no sense to me but I am not the target readership I guess
    He is right.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,226

    FF43 said:

    eek said:

    Pulpstar said:

    This will be my son’s fifth prime minister since he was born - and he’s 6.

    https://x.com/jessicaelgot/status/2068964817344266383

    Mine has got their second for their second birthday…

    https://x.com/PGourtsoyannis/status/2068980810091266392

    It'll be my daughter's fifth and she only turned 4 a couple of months ago.
    Burham will be the sixth PM since July 2016 so six PMs in 10 years.

    Prior to that, we only had six PMs in 40 years.
    The point of Brexit was to take back control.

    I think all it’s showing is how ungovernable this country is with expectations well beyond reality
    One of the more plausible arguments for Brexit was the one that said it stopped British politicians slopey-sholdering things that go wrong onto Europe. One point of sharp accountability. If the Westminster government doesn't deliver what the people want, the Westminster government is responsible and they're out.

    What that argument doesn't account for is when the people want things that are impossible. Or impossible without absurd cost or consequences. Or get overtaken by events. Or when the people want multiple things that contradict.

    That problem was there before 2016, but it's been worse... much worse... since.
    One might say that in that case Brexit has worked exactly as it should. Now we can all see the Emperor (PM) has no clothes, hence the reason we get through them so quickly.

    We need a completely different type of PM, one who is not simply managing on behalf of the EU but is actually leading the country and taking responsibility. I don't think any of them have really grasped this concept yet.

    That was the gist of Michael Gove's article in the Spectator defending Brexit against all evidence (that he ignored obviously). Brexit allowed the Conservative government to be utterly dire. Made no sense to me but I am not the target readership I guess
    He is right.
    I'm fairly certain that the Conservative government could have managed to be utterly dire inside the EU. We've got the evidence.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,773
    Dopermean said:

    FF43 said:

    eek said:

    Pulpstar said:

    This will be my son’s fifth prime minister since he was born - and he’s 6.

    https://x.com/jessicaelgot/status/2068964817344266383

    Mine has got their second for their second birthday…

    https://x.com/PGourtsoyannis/status/2068980810091266392

    It'll be my daughter's fifth and she only turned 4 a couple of months ago.
    Burham will be the sixth PM since July 2016 so six PMs in 10 years.

    Prior to that, we only had six PMs in 40 years.
    The point of Brexit was to take back control.

    I think all it’s showing is how ungovernable this country is with expectations well beyond reality
    One of the more plausible arguments for Brexit was the one that said it stopped British politicians slopey-sholdering things that go wrong onto Europe. One point of sharp accountability. If the Westminster government doesn't deliver what the people want, the Westminster government is responsible and they're out.

    What that argument doesn't account for is when the people want things that are impossible. Or impossible without absurd cost or consequences. Or get overtaken by events. Or when the people want multiple things that contradict.

    That problem was there before 2016, but it's been worse... much worse... since.
    One might say that in that case Brexit has worked exactly as it should. Now we can all see the Emperor (PM) has no clothes, hence the reason we get through them so quickly.

    We need a completely different type of PM, one who is not simply managing on behalf of the EU but is actually leading the country and taking responsibility. I don't think any of them have really grasped this concept yet.

    That was the gist of Michael Gove's article in the Spectator defending Brexit against all evidence (that he ignored obviously). Brexit allowed the Conservative government to be utterly dire. Made no sense to me but I am not the target readership I guess
    He is right.
    I'm fairly certain that the Conservative government could have managed to be utterly dire inside the EU. We've got the evidence.
    According to Gove, Brexit allowed the government he was a part of to be dire in specific ways. A Brexit benefit apparently.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,010

    Sweeney74 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    viewcode said:

    @TheScreamingEagles , @rcs1000, my article please! Amaze amaze amaze! It is short and sweet and pleasant! Good timing, yes?!

    Just finished reading PHM, better than the film, much much much.
    Fist my bump
    The film is still magnificent.
    It's a good film, I really enjoyed it.
    The book is much better.
    Just like The Martian was a good film, just not as good as the book.
    PHM? Is this a code?
    "Project Hail Mary"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Hail_Mary_(film)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Hail_Mary

    I used the phrase "Amaze amaze amaze!" which is spoken by one of the characters in the film. Sweeney74 picked up on it and we started talking about the book/film
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