Skip to content

The cabinet are revolting – politicalbetting.com

12346

Comments

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,492

    Anyone care to guess how many of the PB Competition entrants had Andy Burnham down to be PM by the end of the year?

    I think it was just the one.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,035
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Didn't realise until just now that Morocco are as highly-ranked as number 5 in the world, sandwiched between England and Brazil.

    https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men

    Yes, won the AFCON, in court...
    You need to Fez up to the new reality.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,424

    Andy_JS said:

    Didn't realise until just now that Morocco are as highly-ranked as number 5 in the world, sandwiched between England and Brazil.

    https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men

    Damn good team.
    This was very much the classic 'Group of Death' draw for Scotland.

    Still, I'm sure they can probably pick up a point against *checks fixtures* Brazil.
    Pre the expansion to 48 teams it would have been a hideous draw. But pre expansion Scotland wouldn’t have been at the finals…
    We did win our group to be fair, so even without expansion we would have been there, but we would still have been jammy gits in doing so.
    Different groups with fewer places up for grabs, but fair play on winning the group. I’m hoping the Scot’s get through. The joy and party spirit of the fans is brilliant.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,026
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Didn't realise until just now that Morocco are as highly-ranked as number 5 in the world, sandwiched between England and Brazil.

    https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men

    Yes, won the AFCON, in court...
    I thought the case was pending. But they are v good.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,009
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Didn't realise until just now that Morocco are as highly-ranked as number 5 in the world, sandwiched between England and Brazil.

    https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men

    Yes, won the AFCON, in court...
    Shouldn't have needed court, it was the obvious decision that should have been made on the night.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,390
    Maybe Andy Burnham is the figure that can finally unite the country. He deserves a chance at that.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Andy Burnham is the figure that can finally unite the country. He deserves a chance at that.

    It’s why I think he’ll have a long honeymoon as assuming he doesn’t step on any rakes, people will want a non-crap PM
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,108
    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Andy Burnham is the figure that can finally unite the country. He deserves a chance at that.

    He might unite many liberals and the left behind him, Reform and increasingly Tory voters though are not fans of Burnham
  • These Moroccans lads are very good at football.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,903
    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Andy Burnham is the figure that can finally unite the country. He deserves a chance at that.

    Realistically with the current political landscape is there anyone in the country that can unite it?

    More believable would be that he can articulate a better plan and direction for the Labour government and deliver some competent governance that people grudgingly accept to make the next election a much tighter affair than the current polls, but even that feels like its only a possibility rather than anything more concrete than that.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,116
    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Andy Burnham is the figure that can finally unite the country. He deserves a chance at that.

    Since when did we expect it to be the job of politicians to unite people rather than to govern effectively?
  • Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Andy Burnham is the figure that can finally unite the country. He deserves a chance at that.

    Realistically with the current political landscape is there anyone in the country that can unite it?

    More believable would be that he can articulate a better plan and direction for the Labour government and deliver some competent governance that people grudgingly accept to make the next election a much tighter affair than the current polls, but even that feels like its only a possibility rather than anything more concrete than that.
    I still think if Starmer hadn’t done winter fuel originally he’d be significantly more popular than he is now. Burnham will have none of that baggage.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,390
    Great chance for Scotland there.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,937
    YouGov polling for The Times found that voters have significant doubts about an Andy Burnham premiership, with 79 per cent saying they knew nothing or little about Starmer’s probable successor.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,699

    These Moroccans lads are very good at football.

    Am I the only person in the world who remembers that Morocco made the semi finals of the last world cup?
    I mentioned that in conversation earlier.
    No one was aware of it.
    They are a very decent side indeed.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,026

    These Moroccans lads are very good at football.

    Am I the only person in the world who remembers that Morocco made the semi finals of the last world cup?
    You aren’t but four years is a long time in football - it’s their current form that’s more important and they have been v good. Croatia were third last WC.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,937
    dixiedean said:

    These Moroccans lads are very good at football.

    Am I the only person in the world who remembers that Morocco made the semi finals of the last world cup?
    I mentioned that in conversation earlier.
    No one was aware of it.
    They are a very decent side indeed.
    In the PB predicitions competition I picked Senegal as world cup winners but I nearly chose Morocco.

    I have a feeling it's an African side's year this year.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,371

    YouGov polling for The Times found that voters have significant doubts about an Andy Burnham premiership, with 79 per cent saying they knew nothing or little about Starmer’s probable successor.

    Manchester is an island. It ain't the capital of The North, or anywhere else.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 796
    edited June 19
    Nothing going forward from Scotland until the last 10 mins of that half.

    Steve Clarke's usual tactic is to make changes late in the game, so I wouldn't be surprised if we dont see Gannon Doak, Shankland or Dykes til after 60 mins.

    I'd argue this Morocco team is better than the one which made the semi finals last time, same routine as France 98, long ball over the top,deadly quick on the break, too sharp for the Scots defence

    While theres only one goal in it Clarke will drill into them to hang on, they'll get a decent chance. Good odds most 3rd place teams with 3 points get through (as it stands)
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,903
    I mean as a tactic giving Morocco such an early goal sort of worked weirdly, perhaps they felt some sort of sympathy towards us and only half-heartedly tried to score any more than that.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,371

    dixiedean said:

    These Moroccans lads are very good at football.

    Am I the only person in the world who remembers that Morocco made the semi finals of the last world cup?
    I mentioned that in conversation earlier.
    No one was aware of it.
    They are a very decent side indeed.
    In the PB predicitions competition I picked Senegal as world cup winners but I nearly chose Morocco.

    I have a feeling it's an African side's year this year.
    African? If Morocco win the cup they're Mediterranean. If they win twice they're European.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,561
    kle4 said:

    A major flu outbreak has sickened nearly 160 troops at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas less than two months after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced that U.S. troops would no longer be required to be vaccinated for the flu—NYT

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/us/flu-outbreak-air-force-base.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rFA.LASy.Em3OYzAscBzB&smid=nytcore-ios-share

    Why do we need to relearn the lesson that vaccines are a good thing?
    Hegseth needs to learn the lesson.

    He is dumb as a brick.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,540

    Andy_JS said:

    Didn't realise until just now that Morocco are as highly-ranked as number 5 in the world, sandwiched between England and Brazil.

    https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men

    Damn good team.
    That’s if they win, they were 7th before kick off
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,390
    Morocco are making Scotland look very ordinary.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,165
    edited June 19
    Andy_JS said:

    Morocco are making Scotland look very ordinary.

    We need Shankland on here.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,903
    Andy_JS said:

    Morocco are making Scotland look very ordinary.

    The comment on the BBC live blog "have the guys in blue met each other before?" was probably apt.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 796

    Andy_JS said:

    Morocco are making Scotland look very ordinary.

    The comment on the BBC live blog "have the guys in blue met each other before?" was probably apt.
    Get the salmon pink top out, those guys knew each other slightly better.

    Another Morocco goal will finish this, subs needed for Scotland
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 796

    Andy_JS said:

    Morocco are making Scotland look very ordinary.

    We need Shankland on here.
    Not yet it seems, I thought he'd go with Dykes after Shanklands performance v Haiti. He may start Dykes up top alone v Brazil
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,390
    "‘You can’t walk away’: Lady Starmer leading fight for PM to stay on
    Keir Starmer’s wobbles will be calmed by his ‘rock,’ Downing Street insiders insist" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/06/19/lady-starmer-leads-fight-pm-stay-on/
  • Better spell from Scotland, they seem to have remembered about the whole playing football thing.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,127
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    viewcode said:

    Starmer to weigh up future over weekend, Times told

    Sir Keir Starmer will weigh up his future over the weekend amid mounting pressure from his cabinet in the wake of Andy Burnham’s by-election victory, The Times has been told.

    The prime minister has publicly insisted that he will not “walk away” and has said he is prepared to fight a challenge from Burnham if it comes to a leadership contest.

    However, privately sources close to the prime minister said he recognises there is growing pressure from the backbenches for him to go. He is expected to take the weekend with his wife and family to consider his position before deciding whether to fight on.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/makerfield-by-election-results-2026-latest-news-rbfk8mn0n

    He’s gone
    • Please stop announcing your speculation as fact.
    • He has a Jewish wife and Jewish kids, and Sabbath is about to start in two hours. He's not going to announce anything tonight.
    To be honest when I read that I thought he must have resigned
    Oh the irony of that statement.

    His love for his wife, his family and their faith has made a significant impact on this life long atheist.

    How impossibly hard it must have been for him, between a rock and a hard place.

    A Party whose core plead for Palestine recognition, a family following the Jewish faith.

    An impossible conundrum

    Attacked from the left for being pro Israel, which he isn't, attacked by the right and Israel for being anti semitic, which he isn't. Desperate to protect his family from the media, which he has always done.

    He may not be indeed he isn't a great politician but take politics out if the equation and he us an intensely decent family man.

    Which makes the constant right wing media character assassination the more desperate and sickening.
    What on earth are you on about this right wing media nonsense

    This is Labour defenestrating their sitting PM all on their own
    The right wing media set out to destroy Starmer in an orchestrated campaign from day one.

    It worked.

    Everybody knows it except you it seems.
    They did, however he was very much the master of his own destiny too.

    Relying on McSweeney and Reeves was a very bad idea.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 796
    Andy_JS said:

    "‘You can’t walk away’: Lady Starmer leading fight for PM to stay on
    Keir Starmer’s wobbles will be calmed by his ‘rock,’ Downing Street insiders insist" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/06/19/lady-starmer-leads-fight-pm-stay-on/

    Well it seems clear the Lady is not for turning
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,390
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    viewcode said:

    Starmer to weigh up future over weekend, Times told

    Sir Keir Starmer will weigh up his future over the weekend amid mounting pressure from his cabinet in the wake of Andy Burnham’s by-election victory, The Times has been told.

    The prime minister has publicly insisted that he will not “walk away” and has said he is prepared to fight a challenge from Burnham if it comes to a leadership contest.

    However, privately sources close to the prime minister said he recognises there is growing pressure from the backbenches for him to go. He is expected to take the weekend with his wife and family to consider his position before deciding whether to fight on.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/makerfield-by-election-results-2026-latest-news-rbfk8mn0n

    He’s gone
    • Please stop announcing your speculation as fact.
    • He has a Jewish wife and Jewish kids, and Sabbath is about to start in two hours. He's not going to announce anything tonight.
    To be honest when I read that I thought he must have resigned
    Oh the irony of that statement.

    His love for his wife, his family and their faith has made a significant impact on this life long atheist.

    How impossibly hard it must have been for him, between a rock and a hard place.

    A Party whose core plead for Palestine recognition, a family following the Jewish faith.

    An impossible conundrum

    Attacked from the left for being pro Israel, which he isn't, attacked by the right and Israel for being anti semitic, which he isn't. Desperate to protect his family from the media, which he has always done.

    He may not be indeed he isn't a great politician but take politics out if the equation and he us an intensely decent family man.

    Which makes the constant right wing media character assassination the more desperate and sickening.
    What on earth are you on about this right wing media nonsense

    This is Labour defenestrating their sitting PM all on their own
    The right wing media set out to destroy Starmer in an orchestrated campaign from day one.

    It worked.

    Everybody knows it except you it seems.
    400 Labour MPs are at liberty to ignore the right-wing press, no?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,937
    Scotland to beat Brazil next week, I can feel it in my waters.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,903
    Played a bit better in the second half but never really looked like getting a goal. Bed beckons.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 796
    That'll be Morocco through then, congrats to them.

    Now for the greatest world cup shock ever, Haiti to beat Brazil, we can still win the group on yellow cards if everyone get 4 points.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,644

    Scotland to beat Brazil next week, I can feel it in my waters.

    Brazil are officially worse than Morocco in the Fifa rankings.
  • The_WoodpeckerThe_Woodpecker Posts: 581
    DoctorG said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Morocco are making Scotland look very ordinary.

    We need Shankland on here.
    Not yet it seems, I thought he'd go with Dykes after Shanklands performance v Haiti. He may start Dykes up top alone v Brazil
    Dykes is more Australian standard than Scotland.
  • Should have been a penalty. Now would be a good time for Haiti to hold Brazil to a draw.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,522
    boulay said:

    So who are ‘Mar’? If we show Germany games will we have ‘Deu’?

    Curaçao were CAW for some reason. It’s not like there are other countries in the WC beginning with CUR and why CAW? Curasow? On that basis should Scotland be FFS?
    You sure? The usual abbreviation is CUW for Curacao West Indies
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,390
    Roy Keane -> no penalty.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,026
    edited 12:10AM

    boulay said:

    So who are ‘Mar’? If we show Germany games will we have ‘Deu’?

    Curaçao were CAW for some reason. It’s not like there are other countries in the WC beginning with CUR and why CAW? Curasow? On that basis should Scotland be FFS?
    You sure? The usual abbreviation is CUW for Curacao West Indies
    Fat fingers. Or autocorrect. Or something.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,390
    10/1 available on more than 6.5 goals in Brazil v Haiti match.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/football/market/1.258055739
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 796

    DoctorG said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Morocco are making Scotland look very ordinary.

    We need Shankland on here.
    Not yet it seems, I thought he'd go with Dykes after Shanklands performance v Haiti. He may start Dykes up top alone v Brazil
    Dykes is more Australian standard than Scotland.
    He's a good heritage on him big Lyndon, family near Dumfries.

    Another Doonhamer, Grant Hanley has the small task of keeping Vinicius jnr at bay on Wed nite/Thurs morn. Just as well that guy is no good
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,582

    Bedford train crash looks pretty nasty, one dead at least, 11 injured.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy8dy2pr8ymt

    Looks like a train from Corby, which was switching tracks, ploughed into the back of a train from Nottingham which was running several minutes late.

    I take that line whenever I'm in England.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,113
    Andy_JS said:

    10/1 available on more than 6.5 goals in Brazil v Haiti match.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/football/market/1.258055739

    They have built an over under 14.5 goals in the match line..........
  • Tim_in_RuislipTim_in_Ruislip Posts: 441
    edited 12:58AM
    “Tell everybody, waiting for superman
    That they should try to hold on the best they can
    He hasn’t dropped them
    Forgot them
    Or anything
    It’s just to heavy
    for superman
    To lift”


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JvatKwnTK4
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,009
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "‘You can’t walk away’: Lady Starmer leading fight for PM to stay on
    Keir Starmer’s wobbles will be calmed by his ‘rock,’ Downing Street insiders insist" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/06/19/lady-starmer-leads-fight-pm-stay-on/

    Will that man ever make his own decisions?
    Only if they cross his desk, which I gather is tricky.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,390
    Brazil aren't trying quite as hard as they were in the first half. Disappointing.
  • Tim_in_RuislipTim_in_Ruislip Posts: 441

    “Tell everybody, waiting for superman
    That they should try to hold on the best they can
    He hasn’t dropped them
    Forgot them
    Or anything
    It’s just to heavy
    for superman
    To lift”


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JvatKwnTK4

    Hello?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,390
    Brazil's slightly lacklustre performance in this second half vs Haiti makes you think they're not going to lift the trophy this time.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,969
    I was hoping that he wouldn't be President when the handover took place but the old Air Force One was retired today and the new one is online. I don't like the new colour scheme.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn8kz80n157o
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZRB9ZoYf3s

    In short: they have redecorated and I don't like it.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,200
    2nd USA goal looks like an utter shocker that it was overturned by VAR. Remove the offside player and both the keeper and crucially the defender are far more likely to be able to stop the scorer
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,969

    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Andy Burnham is the figure that can finally unite the country. He deserves a chance at that.

    Since when did we expect it to be the job of politicians to unite people rather than to govern effectively?
    Since Biblical times. The sovereign nation-state has to be invented and reinvented constantly. See Ernest Renan’s lecture “What is a Nation?” in 1882. The minute we worked out how to ford a river or cross a desert we ran the risk of "us" splitting into "good us like me" and "bad us like them". It sounds stupid but people really have to do this. Although in fairness, it's also the job of the King.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,644
    Revealed, how Beijing unleashed Triad gangs to wage war on Britain: Crime groups linked to Chinese Communist Party are flooding our streets with killer synthetic opioids, supplying engines for migrant boats, and even masterminding romance frauds
    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15914757/Beijing-Triad-gangs-crime-wage-war-Britain-Chinese-Communist-Party-migrants.html
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,137

    DougSeal said:

    O/T

    Those profligate Lib Dems and Greens took over from the Tories in 2024 and look how finances have fared:

    https://www.dorsetcouncil.gov.uk/news/dorset-council-delivers-first-ever-underspend-as-finances-improve

    Great to hear such an unbiased account of the council's efforts from.... the council.
    Either it’s the first ever underspend or it isn’t. If you want to say it’s a lie then back up that assertion.
    The underspending was £169,000 on a budget of £417,000,000. That’s 0.04%

    It hardly lives up to the enthusiasm of the headline
    "Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds nought and six, result misery."
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,086
    Is Trump cultivating pond scum in Washington, via a corrupt contractor, synecdoche or metaphor ?
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jun/16/algae-trump-lincoln-memorial-reflecting-pool
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,414
    DoctorG said:

    DoctorG said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Morocco are making Scotland look very ordinary.

    We need Shankland on here.
    Not yet it seems, I thought he'd go with Dykes after Shanklands performance v Haiti. He may start Dykes up top alone v Brazil
    Dykes is more Australian standard than Scotland.
    He's a good heritage on him big Lyndon, family near Dumfries.

    Another Doonhamer, Grant Hanley has the small task of keeping Vinicius jnr at bay on Wed nite/Thurs morn. Just as well that guy is no good
    THey say the first half a yard of pace is in the brain.

    Lyndon and Grant, who I've seen play quite regularly are 100% hard working good guys but f me, at this level they'd need 5 seconds mental awareness to make up for complete lack of physical pace!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,390
    This match is hilarious and fantastic.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,414

    YouGov polling for The Times found that voters have significant doubts about an Andy Burnham premiership, with 79 per cent saying they knew nothing or little about Starmer’s probable successor.

    How many politicians would the "Voters" actually know much about in this day and age when most Voters are switched off to anything but X and othr social media.

    To equate "don't know much about" to having "significant doubts" too is something of a dangerous link.

    This would apply to probably all but a handful of current or recent politicians, take out Starmer, Sunak, Truss , Boris, Farage ? who else would any more that 21% actually claim to know much about?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,644
    Brixian59 said:

    DoctorG said:

    DoctorG said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Morocco are making Scotland look very ordinary.

    We need Shankland on here.
    Not yet it seems, I thought he'd go with Dykes after Shanklands performance v Haiti. He may start Dykes up top alone v Brazil
    Dykes is more Australian standard than Scotland.
    He's a good heritage on him big Lyndon, family near Dumfries.

    Another Doonhamer, Grant Hanley has the small task of keeping Vinicius jnr at bay on Wed nite/Thurs morn. Just as well that guy is no good
    THey say the first half a yard of pace is in the brain.

    Lyndon and Grant, who I've seen play quite regularly are 100% hard working good guys but f me, at this level they'd need 5 seconds mental awareness to make up for complete lack of physical pace!
    Bob was probably the slowest player...
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PpcWuBqXJIk

    Jack Charlton describes Bobby Moore's complete lack of pace in a 1-minute clip.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,644
    There has been a sudden outbreak of very early goals.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,644
    Andy Burnham and the importance of branding for politicians (1 min, 25s)
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-4JbC2sYAHE

    I'm not convinced branding as such is new; more that Burnham has worked on it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,390
    Turkey out after failing to score against a 10 men Paraguay in the second half.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,077
    Andy_JS said:

    Turkey out after failing to score against a 10 men Paraguay in the second half.

    Rather bizarre red card explained here:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-06-20/world-cup-laws-paraguay-miguel-almirón-sent-off-covering-mouth/106823206?utm_source=Bluesky&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=bluesky_news.abc.net.au

    I quite like 10 seconds for substituted players to get off the pitch and 5 seconds for goal kicks and throw ins.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,086
    edited 5:31AM
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Turkey out after failing to score against a 10 men Paraguay in the second half.

    Rather bizarre red card explained here:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-06-20/world-cup-laws-paraguay-miguel-almirón-sent-off-covering-mouth/106823206?utm_source=Bluesky&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=bluesky_news.abc.net.au

    I quite like 10 seconds for substituted players to get off the pitch and 5 seconds for goal kicks and throw ins.
    Can't footballers just learn to speak without moving their lips to circumvent that rule ?

    Team ventriloquism coaches are surely on the horizon.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,561
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Turkey out after failing to score against a 10 men Paraguay in the second half.

    Rather bizarre red card explained here:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-06-20/world-cup-laws-paraguay-miguel-almirón-sent-off-covering-mouth/106823206?utm_source=Bluesky&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=bluesky_news.abc.net.au

    I quite like 10 seconds for substituted players to get off the pitch and 5 seconds for goal kicks and throw ins.
    Can't footballers just learn to speak without moving their lips to circumvent that rule ?

    Team ventriloquism coaches are surely on the horizon.
    No evidence a player has been called a "gottle of geer"...
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,137
    Looks like the two matches this evening could be competitive: Netherlands v Sweden, Germany v Ivory Coast
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,086
    edited 5:44AM

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Turkey out after failing to score against a 10 men Paraguay in the second half.

    Rather bizarre red card explained here:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-06-20/world-cup-laws-paraguay-miguel-almirón-sent-off-covering-mouth/106823206?utm_source=Bluesky&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=bluesky_news.abc.net.au

    I quite like 10 seconds for substituted players to get off the pitch and 5 seconds for goal kicks and throw ins.
    Can't footballers just learn to speak without moving their lips to circumvent that rule ?

    Team ventriloquism coaches are surely on the horizon.
    No evidence a player has been called a "gottle of geer"...
    Only a matter of time.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,568
    BBC weather suggesting that early next week will have a shot at topping the all-time June UK temperature records of 1957 and 1976...
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,286
    IanB2 said:

    BBC weather suggesting that early next week will have a shot at topping the all-time June UK temperature records of 1957 and 1976...

    It was already 31.2° yesterday in Essex
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,208

    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Andy Burnham is the figure that can finally unite the country. He deserves a chance at that.

    Since when did we expect it to be the job of politicians to unite people rather than to govern effectively?
    Churchill?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,788
    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Andy Burnham is the figure that can finally unite the country. He deserves a chance at that.

    Wishful thinking.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,788
    The accident report will be crucial.

    Signalling should always fail to red (it's known as a "right-side" failure) if there's a problem or failure to synch data, or co-ordinate train pathing, so incidents like this should never happen. And, across billions of other train journeys, they don't. We have an excellent record and train travel in this country is very, very safe.

    So what went wrong?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,137
    edited 6:19AM
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Turkey out after failing to score against a 10 men Paraguay in the second half.

    Rather bizarre red card explained here:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-06-20/world-cup-laws-paraguay-miguel-almirón-sent-off-covering-mouth/106823206?utm_source=Bluesky&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=bluesky_news.abc.net.au

    I quite like 10 seconds for substituted players to get off the pitch and 5 seconds for goal kicks and throw ins.
    Can't footballers just learn to speak without moving their lips to circumvent that rule ?

    Team ventriloquism coaches are surely on the horizon.
    No evidence a player has been called a "gottle of geer"...
    Only a matter of time.
    Only a gatter og gine.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,715

    How does a collision between two trains even happen? You would think that there would be computer safeguards these days

    It seems extraordinary and on what also looks a straight section of line
    Does a collision not just require a signalling error? Or a failure in status reporting on a junction?

    It does not, however, look like a high speed collision - judging by the published photographs. We are fortunate in not having smashed up coaches spread all over the surrounding area.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,208

    kle4 said:

    A major flu outbreak has sickened nearly 160 troops at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas less than two months after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced that U.S. troops would no longer be required to be vaccinated for the flu—NYT

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/us/flu-outbreak-air-force-base.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rFA.LASy.Em3OYzAscBzB&smid=nytcore-ios-share

    Why do we need to relearn the lesson that vaccines are a good thing?
    Because some people are absolute [redacted].

    One of my father's colleague said recently he mentioned vaccinating a child and their parent threatened them with violence, this isn't an uncommon experience in the last few years.
    But it did mean Andrew Wakefield got to shag Elle Macpherson, so there’s that.
    It's worse than that.

    We've got a new generation, radicalised by social media, who are anti-vaxx, we'll see the damage in the UK in the next few years as herd immunity is wiped out.
    It's not just a new generation. I saw an 89 yo woman at CAB this week who confided to me that her grandson had long-Covid and that Covid was a hoax. She'd read it in a 'really interesting' free paper called The Light apparently, so it must be true.

    I couldn't resist asking her how he got long-Covid if Covid was a hoax. (I'll probably get struck off.)
    The Light, IIRC, is available online for free. We looked at it in a training course on conspiracy theories. It’s full of various nutty theories, lots around medicine. It’s well written, they know how to push their case. It mimics a scientific tone. It’s not wholly right-wing and MAGA friendly.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,402
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Andy Burnham is the figure that can finally unite the country. He deserves a chance at that.

    He might unite many liberals and the left behind him, Reform and increasingly Tory voters though are not fans of Burnham
    You're seeing things through the ideological lens of someone interested in and who follows politics. Freedman circulated some research from the politics professor at Nuffield, Oxford yesterday that made the point that a lot of voters simply want what they termed 'valence' - " the non-ideological things that matter to practically everyone, regardless of which ideological ‘bloc’ they belong to: competence, delivery, commitment to people’s primary concerns" - and that these issues can override more ideological issues for many of them. They suggest " the British electorate has been primarily punishing the two largest parties on the issues of competence, or failures in competence, and for the primary issue of the cost of living, and feelings of economic insecurity", and that this underpins much of the support for Reform and the Greens.

    Whether or not Burnham can address and deliver those things is another question entirely - as the professor goes on to set out in the rest of her piece - but it's not as simple as saying that Reform and Tory voters "are not fans of Burnham". Not least because, very clearly, many Makerfield voters who backed Reform in local elections last month just voted for Burnham this month.
    Also applies to businesses.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,056

    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Andy Burnham is the figure that can finally unite the country. He deserves a chance at that.

    Since when did we expect it to be the job of politicians to unite people rather than to govern effectively?
    Churchill?
    Degrees of uniting people. There's the "All behind you, Winston" of the David Low cartoon. Wartime Churchill probably was the last PM to manage that, and that's probably for the best... You need wartime for that degree of unity to work.

    What's more alarming is the lack of "loyal opposition to an acknowledged PM" thing. One of the questions Starmer has never successfully answered is how to respond to the "you're not my REAL PM" from the Kevins to his left and right. Then again, neither did Sunak or May. Truss didn't have time to be asked that. Johnson could initially point to his huge majority, but that effect didn't last. And then we're back to Cameron.

    Looking forward, it's pretty easy to see how the strange structure of Burnham's mandate would come back to bite him if things turn sour.

    You could say that's a character failure of their leadership. Fair enough, but it's not obvious who the better-but-cruelly-denied Prime Ministers We Never Had were. Some of what we've seen is also a failure of followership, I suspect because society has atomised. And that's going to be much harder to fix.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,137

    kle4 said:

    A major flu outbreak has sickened nearly 160 troops at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas less than two months after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced that U.S. troops would no longer be required to be vaccinated for the flu—NYT

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/us/flu-outbreak-air-force-base.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rFA.LASy.Em3OYzAscBzB&smid=nytcore-ios-share

    Why do we need to relearn the lesson that vaccines are a good thing?
    Because some people are absolute [redacted].

    One of my father's colleague said recently he mentioned vaccinating a child and their parent threatened them with violence, this isn't an uncommon experience in the last few years.
    But it did mean Andrew Wakefield got to shag Elle Macpherson, so there’s that.
    It's worse than that.

    We've got a new generation, radicalised by social media, who are anti-vaxx, we'll see the damage in the UK in the next few years as herd immunity is wiped out.
    It's not just a new generation. I saw an 89 yo woman at CAB this week who confided to me that her grandson had long-Covid and that Covid was a hoax. She'd read it in a 'really interesting' free paper called The Light apparently, so it must be true.

    I couldn't resist asking her how he got long-Covid if Covid was a hoax. (I'll probably get struck off.)
    The Light, IIRC, is available online for free. We looked at it in a training course on conspiracy theories. It’s full of various nutty theories, lots around medicine. It’s well written, they know how to push their case. It mimics a scientific tone. It’s not wholly right-wing and MAGA friendly.
    It looks pretty resolutely right-wing to me, unless Wiki is lying...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Light_(newspaper)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,200
    Aus - Par 100% qualifies them both with a draw I think
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,594
    The header should read "The Cabinet is Revolting".

    Organisations are singular.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Andy Burnham is the figure that can finally unite the country. He deserves a chance at that.

    Since when did we expect it to be the job of politicians to unite people rather than to govern effectively?
    Churchill?
    Degrees of uniting people. There's the "All behind you, Winston" of the David Low cartoon. Wartime Churchill probably was the last PM to manage that, and that's probably for the best... You need wartime for that degree of unity to work.

    What's more alarming is the lack of "loyal opposition to an acknowledged PM" thing. One of the questions Starmer has never successfully answered is how to respond to the "you're not my REAL PM" from the Kevins to his left and right. Then again, neither did Sunak or May. Truss didn't have time to be asked that. Johnson could initially point to his huge majority, but that effect didn't last. And then we're back to Cameron.

    Looking forward, it's pretty easy to see how the strange structure of Burnham's mandate would come back to bite him if things turn sour.

    You could say that's a character failure of their leadership. Fair enough, but it's not obvious who the better-but-cruelly-denied Prime Ministers We Never Had were. Some of what we've seen is also a failure of followership, I suspect because society has atomised. And that's going to be much harder to fix.
    But this at least was definitely and unequivocally of Starmer's own doing. Every previous Prime Minister acknowledged they were Prime Minister for everyone whether they voted for them or not. The Presidents of France explicitly say the same. But no, Starmer said he was Prime Minister for those who voted for him and the rest of us were "Free to Leave". Well Keir, the time has come and you are free to leave, the most despised leader this country has had since 1689. Don't lose you seal in the Thames on your way out !
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,156

    The header should read "The Cabinet is Revolting".

    Organisations are singular.

    'organisations' is a plural, Shirley?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,594
    Pulpstar said:

    2nd USA goal looks like an utter shocker that it was overturned by VAR. Remove the offside player and both the keeper and crucially the defender are far more likely to be able to stop the scorer

    Hw was clearly "active". Very poor decision
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,077

    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Andy Burnham is the figure that can finally unite the country. He deserves a chance at that.

    Since when did we expect it to be the job of politicians to unite people rather than to govern effectively?
    Churchill?
    Degrees of uniting people. There's the "All behind you, Winston" of the David Low cartoon. Wartime Churchill probably was the last PM to manage that, and that's probably for the best... You need wartime for that degree of unity to work.

    What's more alarming is the lack of "loyal opposition to an acknowledged PM" thing. One of the questions Starmer has never successfully answered is how to respond to the "you're not my REAL PM" from the Kevins to his left and right. Then again, neither did Sunak or May. Truss didn't have time to be asked that. Johnson could initially point to his huge majority, but that effect didn't last. And then we're back to Cameron.

    Looking forward, it's pretty easy to see how the strange structure of Burnham's mandate would come back to bite him if things turn sour.

    You could say that's a character failure of their leadership. Fair enough, but it's not obvious who the better-but-cruelly-denied Prime Ministers We Never Had were. Some of what we've seen is also a failure of followership, I suspect because society has atomised. And that's going to be much harder to fix.
    Not sure that everyone was behind Churchill. He lost a landslide election when the war was still underway against Japan, and there was a VONC in 1942 concerning Churchill's conduct of the war.

    Over recent years we have had such turnover of MPs from purges and one landslide then another that few MPs have deep roots in Parliament and how to conduct themselves. It is part of the explanation why we are shortly onto our 7th PM in a decade. It seems we are more like the Italians than they are themselves now.

  • TresTres Posts: 3,691

    Pulpstar said:

    2nd USA goal looks like an utter shocker that it was overturned by VAR. Remove the offside player and both the keeper and crucially the defender are far more likely to be able to stop the scorer

    Hw was clearly "active". Very poor decision
    i thought the shot hit an australian player rendering everyone onside?
  • Will we get a 40 degree day this summer?
  • TresTres Posts: 3,691

    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Andy Burnham is the figure that can finally unite the country. He deserves a chance at that.

    Since when did we expect it to be the job of politicians to unite people rather than to govern effectively?
    Churchill?
    Degrees of uniting people. There's the "All behind you, Winston" of the David Low cartoon. Wartime Churchill probably was the last PM to manage that, and that's probably for the best... You need wartime for that degree of unity to work.

    What's more alarming is the lack of "loyal opposition to an acknowledged PM" thing. One of the questions Starmer has never successfully answered is how to respond to the "you're not my REAL PM" from the Kevins to his left and right. Then again, neither did Sunak or May. Truss didn't have time to be asked that. Johnson could initially point to his huge majority, but that effect didn't last. And then we're back to Cameron.

    Looking forward, it's pretty easy to see how the strange structure of Burnham's mandate would come back to bite him if things turn sour.

    You could say that's a character failure of their leadership. Fair enough, but it's not obvious who the better-but-cruelly-denied Prime Ministers We Never Had were. Some of what we've seen is also a failure of followership, I suspect because society has atomised. And that's going to be much harder to fix.
    But this at least was definitely and unequivocally of Starmer's own doing. Every previous Prime Minister acknowledged they were Prime Minister for everyone whether they voted for them or not. The Presidents of France explicitly say the same. But no, Starmer said he was Prime Minister for those who voted for him and the rest of us were "Free to Leave". Well Keir, the time has come and you are free to leave, the most despised leader this country has had since 1689. Don't lose you seal in the Thames on your way out !
    and that comment was addressed at the labour party and it's members not the whole country

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,077
    Tres said:

    Pulpstar said:

    2nd USA goal looks like an utter shocker that it was overturned by VAR. Remove the offside player and both the keeper and crucially the defender are far more likely to be able to stop the scorer

    Hw was clearly "active". Very poor decision
    i thought the shot hit an australian player rendering everyone onside?
    Yes, clearly so in the highlights

    https://www.fifa.com/en/watch/1uOCG5cpsR45kemo4IdCO3?autoplay=true
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,496
    edited 7:21AM

    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Andy Burnham is the figure that can finally unite the country. He deserves a chance at that.

    Since when did we expect it to be the job of politicians to unite people rather than to govern effectively?
    Churchill?
    Degrees of uniting people. There's the "All behind you, Winston" of the David Low cartoon. Wartime Churchill probably was the last PM to manage that, and that's probably for the best... You need wartime for that degree of unity to work.

    What's more alarming is the lack of "loyal opposition to an acknowledged PM" thing. One of the questions Starmer has never successfully answered is how to respond to the "you're not my REAL PM" from the Kevins to his left and right. Then again, neither did Sunak or May. Truss didn't have time to be asked that. Johnson could initially point to his huge majority, but that effect didn't last. And then we're back to Cameron.

    Looking forward, it's pretty easy to see how the strange structure of Burnham's mandate would come back to bite him if things turn sour.

    You could say that's a character failure of their leadership. Fair enough, but it's not obvious who the better-but-cruelly-denied Prime Ministers We Never Had were. Some of what we've seen is also a failure of followership, I suspect because society has atomised. And that's going to be much harder to fix.
    But this at least was definitely and unequivocally of Starmer's own doing. Every previous Prime Minister acknowledged they were Prime Minister for everyone whether they voted for them or not. The Presidents of France explicitly say the same. But no, Starmer said he was Prime Minister for those who voted for him and the rest of us were "Free to Leave". Well Keir, the time has come and you are free to leave, the most despised leader this country has had since 1689. Don't lose you seal in the Thames on your way out !
    @A_View_From_Cumbria5 You are so disingenuous it is unbelievable. You are not a member of the Labour Party. He wasn’t talking to you or anyone else but instead suggesting those in the Labour Party - most of whom DID vote for him - were free to leave THE LABOUR PARTY.

    https://pa.media/blogs/fact-check/fact-check-sir-keir-starmer-told-labour-members-the-door-is-open-to-leave/

    Please retract this rubbish or post evidence that he said what he did. He’s a poor PM but the fact you have to make up bullshit shows you’re a terrible poster.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,594
    Selebian said:

    The header should read "The Cabinet is Revolting".

    Organisations are singular.

    'organisations' is a plural, Shirley?
    An organisation is a singular entity.

    Better?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,414
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Andy Burnham is the figure that can finally unite the country. He deserves a chance at that.

    Since when did we expect it to be the job of politicians to unite people rather than to govern effectively?
    Churchill?
    Degrees of uniting people. There's the "All behind you, Winston" of the David Low cartoon. Wartime Churchill probably was the last PM to manage that, and that's probably for the best... You need wartime for that degree of unity to work.

    What's more alarming is the lack of "loyal opposition to an acknowledged PM" thing. One of the questions Starmer has never successfully answered is how to respond to the "you're not my REAL PM" from the Kevins to his left and right. Then again, neither did Sunak or May. Truss didn't have time to be asked that. Johnson could initially point to his huge majority, but that effect didn't last. And then we're back to Cameron.

    Looking forward, it's pretty easy to see how the strange structure of Burnham's mandate would come back to bite him if things turn sour.

    You could say that's a character failure of their leadership. Fair enough, but it's not obvious who the better-but-cruelly-denied Prime Ministers We Never Had were. Some of what we've seen is also a failure of followership, I suspect because society has atomised. And that's going to be much harder to fix.
    Not sure that everyone was behind Churchill. He lost a landslide election when the war was still underway against Japan, and there was a VONC in 1942 concerning Churchill's conduct of the war.

    Over recent years we have had such turnover of MPs from purges and one landslide then another that few MPs have deep roots in Parliament and how to conduct themselves. It is part of the explanation why we are shortly onto our 7th PM in a decade. It seems we are more like the Italians than they are themselves now.

    Spot on re Churchill who had FAR MORE SUPPORT from Attlee and the left than The Tory and Fascist Right Wing whipped up by Nazi supporting and entranced Press Barons and whose Newspapers who to this day still churn out fascist leaning racist tripe called the Daily Mail, Daily Express and Daily Telegraph.

    Those who actively wanted a pact with Hitler to attack Russia and Stalin.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,414
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Andy Burnham is the figure that can finally unite the country. He deserves a chance at that.

    He might unite many liberals and the left behind him, Reform and increasingly Tory voters though are not fans of Burnham
    You're seeing things through the ideological lens of someone interested in and who follows politics. Freedman circulated some research from the politics professor at Nuffield, Oxford yesterday that made the point that a lot of voters simply want what they termed 'valence' - " the non-ideological things that matter to practically everyone, regardless of which ideological ‘bloc’ they belong to: competence, delivery, commitment to people’s primary concerns" - and that these issues can override more ideological issues for many of them. They suggest " the British electorate has been primarily punishing the two largest parties on the issues of competence, or failures in competence, and for the primary issue of the cost of living, and feelings of economic insecurity", and that this underpins much of the support for Reform and the Greens.

    Whether or not Burnham can address and deliver those things is another question entirely - as the professor goes on to set out in the rest of her piece - but it's not as simple as saying that Reform and Tory voters "are not fans of Burnham". Not least because, very clearly, many Makerfield voters who backed Reform in local elections last month just voted for Burnham this month.
    Many one nation centre Tory's would find Burnham far more palatable than Starmer and would find him far more palatable in non Tory of Labour v Reform seats than a Tory Party desperately trying to mimic Farage on the increasingly less real problem of immifgration and illegal migration and denial of Climate Change.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,414

    Looks like the two matches this evening could be competitive: Netherlands v Sweden, Germany v Ivory Coast

    Spoken to quite a few Dutch fans this week, lots come down to the SW in June who are hopeful rather than confident in the current generation of Dutch players. Many come to pay homage to William Of Orange who allegedly first set foot in the UK at Brixham where there is a Statue to commemorate the occasion. Christ he's a lot to answer for!
Sign In or Register to comment.