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  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,492

    Anyone care to guess how many of the PB Competition entrants had Andy Burnham down to be PM by the end of the year?

    I think it was just the one.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,034
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Didn't realise until just now that Morocco are as highly-ranked as number 5 in the world, sandwiched between England and Brazil.

    https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men

    Yes, won the AFCON, in court...
    You need to Fez up to the new reality.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,424

    Andy_JS said:

    Didn't realise until just now that Morocco are as highly-ranked as number 5 in the world, sandwiched between England and Brazil.

    https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men

    Damn good team.
    This was very much the classic 'Group of Death' draw for Scotland.

    Still, I'm sure they can probably pick up a point against *checks fixtures* Brazil.
    Pre the expansion to 48 teams it would have been a hideous draw. But pre expansion Scotland wouldn’t have been at the finals…
    We did win our group to be fair, so even without expansion we would have been there, but we would still have been jammy gits in doing so.
    Different groups with fewer places up for grabs, but fair play on winning the group. I’m hoping the Scot’s get through. The joy and party spirit of the fans is brilliant.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,026
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Didn't realise until just now that Morocco are as highly-ranked as number 5 in the world, sandwiched between England and Brazil.

    https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men

    Yes, won the AFCON, in court...
    I thought the case was pending. But they are v good.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,007
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Didn't realise until just now that Morocco are as highly-ranked as number 5 in the world, sandwiched between England and Brazil.

    https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men

    Yes, won the AFCON, in court...
    Shouldn't have needed court, it was the obvious decision that should have been made on the night.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,386
    Maybe Andy Burnham is the figure that can finally unite the country. He deserves a chance at that.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Andy Burnham is the figure that can finally unite the country. He deserves a chance at that.

    It’s why I think he’ll have a long honeymoon as assuming he doesn’t step on any rakes, people will want a non-crap PM
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,103
    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Andy Burnham is the figure that can finally unite the country. He deserves a chance at that.

    He might unite many liberals and the left behind him, Reform and increasingly Tory voters though are not fans of Burnham
  • These Moroccans lads are very good at football.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,903
    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Andy Burnham is the figure that can finally unite the country. He deserves a chance at that.

    Realistically with the current political landscape is there anyone in the country that can unite it?

    More believable would be that he can articulate a better plan and direction for the Labour government and deliver some competent governance that people grudgingly accept to make the next election a much tighter affair than the current polls, but even that feels like its only a possibility rather than anything more concrete than that.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,116
    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Andy Burnham is the figure that can finally unite the country. He deserves a chance at that.

    Since when did we expect it to be the job of politicians to unite people rather than to govern effectively?
  • Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Andy Burnham is the figure that can finally unite the country. He deserves a chance at that.

    Realistically with the current political landscape is there anyone in the country that can unite it?

    More believable would be that he can articulate a better plan and direction for the Labour government and deliver some competent governance that people grudgingly accept to make the next election a much tighter affair than the current polls, but even that feels like its only a possibility rather than anything more concrete than that.
    I still think if Starmer hadn’t done winter fuel originally he’d be significantly more popular than he is now. Burnham will have none of that baggage.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,386
    Great chance for Scotland there.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,935

    These Moroccans lads are very good at football.

    Am I the only person in the world who remembers that Morocco made the semi finals of the last world cup?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,935
    YouGov polling for The Times found that voters have significant doubts about an Andy Burnham premiership, with 79 per cent saying they knew nothing or little about Starmer’s probable successor.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,699

    These Moroccans lads are very good at football.

    Am I the only person in the world who remembers that Morocco made the semi finals of the last world cup?
    I mentioned that in conversation earlier.
    No one was aware of it.
    They are a very decent side indeed.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,026

    These Moroccans lads are very good at football.

    Am I the only person in the world who remembers that Morocco made the semi finals of the last world cup?
    You aren’t but four years is a long time in football - it’s their current form that’s more important and they have been v good. Croatia were third last WC.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,935
    dixiedean said:

    These Moroccans lads are very good at football.

    Am I the only person in the world who remembers that Morocco made the semi finals of the last world cup?
    I mentioned that in conversation earlier.
    No one was aware of it.
    They are a very decent side indeed.
    In the PB predicitions competition I picked Senegal as world cup winners but I nearly chose Morocco.

    I have a feeling it's an African side's year this year.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,371

    YouGov polling for The Times found that voters have significant doubts about an Andy Burnham premiership, with 79 per cent saying they knew nothing or little about Starmer’s probable successor.

    Manchester is an island. It ain't the capital of The North, or anywhere else.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 796
    edited June 19
    Nothing going forward from Scotland until the last 10 mins of that half.

    Steve Clarke's usual tactic is to make changes late in the game, so I wouldn't be surprised if we dont see Gannon Doak, Shankland or Dykes til after 60 mins.

    I'd argue this Morocco team is better than the one which made the semi finals last time, same routine as France 98, long ball over the top,deadly quick on the break, too sharp for the Scots defence

    While theres only one goal in it Clarke will drill into them to hang on, they'll get a decent chance. Good odds most 3rd place teams with 3 points get through (as it stands)
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,903
    I mean as a tactic giving Morocco such an early goal sort of worked weirdly, perhaps they felt some sort of sympathy towards us and only half-heartedly tried to score any more than that.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,371

    dixiedean said:

    These Moroccans lads are very good at football.

    Am I the only person in the world who remembers that Morocco made the semi finals of the last world cup?
    I mentioned that in conversation earlier.
    No one was aware of it.
    They are a very decent side indeed.
    In the PB predicitions competition I picked Senegal as world cup winners but I nearly chose Morocco.

    I have a feeling it's an African side's year this year.
    African? If Morocco win the cup they're Mediterranean. If they win twice they're European.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,560
    kle4 said:

    A major flu outbreak has sickened nearly 160 troops at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas less than two months after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced that U.S. troops would no longer be required to be vaccinated for the flu—NYT

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/us/flu-outbreak-air-force-base.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rFA.LASy.Em3OYzAscBzB&smid=nytcore-ios-share

    Why do we need to relearn the lesson that vaccines are a good thing?
    Hegseth needs to learn the lesson.

    He is dumb as a brick.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,540

    Andy_JS said:

    Didn't realise until just now that Morocco are as highly-ranked as number 5 in the world, sandwiched between England and Brazil.

    https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men

    Damn good team.
    That’s if they win, they were 7th before kick off
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,386
    Morocco are making Scotland look very ordinary.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,165
    edited June 19
    Andy_JS said:

    Morocco are making Scotland look very ordinary.

    We need Shankland on here.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,903
    Andy_JS said:

    Morocco are making Scotland look very ordinary.

    The comment on the BBC live blog "have the guys in blue met each other before?" was probably apt.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 796

    Andy_JS said:

    Morocco are making Scotland look very ordinary.

    The comment on the BBC live blog "have the guys in blue met each other before?" was probably apt.
    Get the salmon pink top out, those guys knew each other slightly better.

    Another Morocco goal will finish this, subs needed for Scotland
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 796

    Andy_JS said:

    Morocco are making Scotland look very ordinary.

    We need Shankland on here.
    Not yet it seems, I thought he'd go with Dykes after Shanklands performance v Haiti. He may start Dykes up top alone v Brazil
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,386
    "‘You can’t walk away’: Lady Starmer leading fight for PM to stay on
    Keir Starmer’s wobbles will be calmed by his ‘rock,’ Downing Street insiders insist" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/06/19/lady-starmer-leads-fight-pm-stay-on/
  • Better spell from Scotland, they seem to have remembered about the whole playing football thing.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,126
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    viewcode said:

    Starmer to weigh up future over weekend, Times told

    Sir Keir Starmer will weigh up his future over the weekend amid mounting pressure from his cabinet in the wake of Andy Burnham’s by-election victory, The Times has been told.

    The prime minister has publicly insisted that he will not “walk away” and has said he is prepared to fight a challenge from Burnham if it comes to a leadership contest.

    However, privately sources close to the prime minister said he recognises there is growing pressure from the backbenches for him to go. He is expected to take the weekend with his wife and family to consider his position before deciding whether to fight on.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/makerfield-by-election-results-2026-latest-news-rbfk8mn0n

    He’s gone
    • Please stop announcing your speculation as fact.
    • He has a Jewish wife and Jewish kids, and Sabbath is about to start in two hours. He's not going to announce anything tonight.
    To be honest when I read that I thought he must have resigned
    Oh the irony of that statement.

    His love for his wife, his family and their faith has made a significant impact on this life long atheist.

    How impossibly hard it must have been for him, between a rock and a hard place.

    A Party whose core plead for Palestine recognition, a family following the Jewish faith.

    An impossible conundrum

    Attacked from the left for being pro Israel, which he isn't, attacked by the right and Israel for being anti semitic, which he isn't. Desperate to protect his family from the media, which he has always done.

    He may not be indeed he isn't a great politician but take politics out if the equation and he us an intensely decent family man.

    Which makes the constant right wing media character assassination the more desperate and sickening.
    What on earth are you on about this right wing media nonsense

    This is Labour defenestrating their sitting PM all on their own
    The right wing media set out to destroy Starmer in an orchestrated campaign from day one.

    It worked.

    Everybody knows it except you it seems.
    They did, however he was very much the master of his own destiny too.

    Relying on McSweeney and Reeves was a very bad idea.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,935
    That was a fecking penalty.

    I haven't seen the Scots robbed like that since England stole all her oil.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 796
    Andy_JS said:

    "‘You can’t walk away’: Lady Starmer leading fight for PM to stay on
    Keir Starmer’s wobbles will be calmed by his ‘rock,’ Downing Street insiders insist" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/06/19/lady-starmer-leads-fight-pm-stay-on/

    Well it seems clear the Lady is not for turning
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,386
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    viewcode said:

    Starmer to weigh up future over weekend, Times told

    Sir Keir Starmer will weigh up his future over the weekend amid mounting pressure from his cabinet in the wake of Andy Burnham’s by-election victory, The Times has been told.

    The prime minister has publicly insisted that he will not “walk away” and has said he is prepared to fight a challenge from Burnham if it comes to a leadership contest.

    However, privately sources close to the prime minister said he recognises there is growing pressure from the backbenches for him to go. He is expected to take the weekend with his wife and family to consider his position before deciding whether to fight on.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/makerfield-by-election-results-2026-latest-news-rbfk8mn0n

    He’s gone
    • Please stop announcing your speculation as fact.
    • He has a Jewish wife and Jewish kids, and Sabbath is about to start in two hours. He's not going to announce anything tonight.
    To be honest when I read that I thought he must have resigned
    Oh the irony of that statement.

    His love for his wife, his family and their faith has made a significant impact on this life long atheist.

    How impossibly hard it must have been for him, between a rock and a hard place.

    A Party whose core plead for Palestine recognition, a family following the Jewish faith.

    An impossible conundrum

    Attacked from the left for being pro Israel, which he isn't, attacked by the right and Israel for being anti semitic, which he isn't. Desperate to protect his family from the media, which he has always done.

    He may not be indeed he isn't a great politician but take politics out if the equation and he us an intensely decent family man.

    Which makes the constant right wing media character assassination the more desperate and sickening.
    What on earth are you on about this right wing media nonsense

    This is Labour defenestrating their sitting PM all on their own
    The right wing media set out to destroy Starmer in an orchestrated campaign from day one.

    It worked.

    Everybody knows it except you it seems.
    400 Labour MPs are at liberty to ignore the right-wing press, no?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,935
    Scotland to beat Brazil next week, I can feel it in my waters.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,903
    Played a bit better in the second half but never really looked like getting a goal. Bed beckons.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 796
    That'll be Morocco through then, congrats to them.

    Now for the greatest world cup shock ever, Haiti to beat Brazil, we can still win the group on yellow cards if everyone get 4 points.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,639

    Scotland to beat Brazil next week, I can feel it in my waters.

    Brazil are officially worse than Morocco in the Fifa rankings.
  • The_WoodpeckerThe_Woodpecker Posts: 581
    DoctorG said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Morocco are making Scotland look very ordinary.

    We need Shankland on here.
    Not yet it seems, I thought he'd go with Dykes after Shanklands performance v Haiti. He may start Dykes up top alone v Brazil
    Dykes is more Australian standard than Scotland.
  • Should have been a penalty. Now would be a good time for Haiti to hold Brazil to a draw.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,522
    boulay said:

    So who are ‘Mar’? If we show Germany games will we have ‘Deu’?

    Curaçao were CAW for some reason. It’s not like there are other countries in the WC beginning with CUR and why CAW? Curasow? On that basis should Scotland be FFS?
    You sure? The usual abbreviation is CUW for Curacao West Indies
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,386
    Roy Keane -> no penalty.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,026
    edited 12:10AM

    boulay said:

    So who are ‘Mar’? If we show Germany games will we have ‘Deu’?

    Curaçao were CAW for some reason. It’s not like there are other countries in the WC beginning with CUR and why CAW? Curasow? On that basis should Scotland be FFS?
    You sure? The usual abbreviation is CUW for Curacao West Indies
    Fat fingers. Or autocorrect. Or something.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,386
    10/1 available on more than 6.5 goals in Brazil v Haiti match.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/football/market/1.258055739
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 796

    DoctorG said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Morocco are making Scotland look very ordinary.

    We need Shankland on here.
    Not yet it seems, I thought he'd go with Dykes after Shanklands performance v Haiti. He may start Dykes up top alone v Brazil
    Dykes is more Australian standard than Scotland.
    He's a good heritage on him big Lyndon, family near Dumfries.

    Another Doonhamer, Grant Hanley has the small task of keeping Vinicius jnr at bay on Wed nite/Thurs morn. Just as well that guy is no good
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,582

    Bedford train crash looks pretty nasty, one dead at least, 11 injured.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy8dy2pr8ymt

    Looks like a train from Corby, which was switching tracks, ploughed into the back of a train from Nottingham which was running several minutes late.

    I take that line whenever I'm in England.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,113
    Andy_JS said:

    10/1 available on more than 6.5 goals in Brazil v Haiti match.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/football/market/1.258055739

    They have built an over under 14.5 goals in the match line..........
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