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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,115

    FT: Alexander calls Starmer to step aside.

    Haig? The Great?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,592

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    It's one of those irregular thingies:

    My unemployed daughter is priced out of the market by immigrants.
    Your unemployed daughter needs to get on her bike.
    His unemployed daughter is a bone-idle scrounger.
    It can be hard for university students to get work because they're neither at home nor at their place of study all year long. I grew up in the town where I believe Sean T's daughter is at university and even in the 1990s when I worked in a restaurant in the town they employed a lot more local teenagers than university students, presumably because us kids were there all year round. The few female university students they did employ I remember very fondly... I don't think they employed any "immigrants", it was a very monocultural place in those days.
    My 20yo daughter isn't allowed to work during term time, and luckily found an internship in London this summer. Finding temp work in the holidays is very tough, but as I say most employers don't want staff who can only work a fraction of the year.
    Yes, my lad wasn't allowed to work during term time either and also found an internship in London in the summer after his second year. That internship was his passport to a job after graduation; hopefully your daughter's internship will be equally beneficial to her. A big well done to her for landing it! I know how competitive they can be.
    Thanks! Yes she applied for various things and luckily the one she was most interested in was the one that came through. I wasn't looking forward to her moping round the house all summer.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,591

    FT: Alexander calls Starmer to step aside.

    Alexander Armstrong?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,081

    FT: Alexander calls Starmer to step aside.

    Haig? The Great?
    Ragtime band.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,591

    I’ve got an application in to recruit the Prime Ministr directly from abroad

    - the last few hires have been time wasters
    - no top notch applicants
    - Role pay well above any reasonable salary limit.

    There's a chap in Canada seems suitable, with previous experience working in the UK too.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,406

    FT: Alexander calls Starmer to step aside.

    Alexander Armstrong?
    As predicted..

    Heidi Alexander

    One of the 4 or 5 who's views are crucial
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,081
    Israel/Hezbollah ceasefire, reportedly.

    Presumably after the several dozen deaths in Lebanon today, assuming the report is true.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,964
    edited 4:14PM
    Brixian59 said:

    FT: Alexander calls Starmer to step aside.

    Alexander Armstrong?
    As predicted..

    Heidi Alexander

    One of the 4 or 5 who's views are crucial
    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2067950541175423313
    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2067991971679867286
    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2067997676197523783
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,406

    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Eabhal said:

    The most frustrating thing about O&G is the amount of focus it gets despite it being, in the grand scheme of things, a rounding error to the economy and our energy security - particularly looking forward over the next 50 years.

    It’s the equivalent of the left wittering on about the monarchy. Sure, it’s absurd and you wouldn’t design it that way, but it’s a waste of time and energy when there are much more important topics to deal with.

    Scotland is generating 40TWh of electricity a year - double our consumption, and that’s before you take into account curtailment. The UK already has 100 GWh of battery capacity and on current trends/planning will have well over 500 GWh by 2030 (including V2G). We have barely any solar and yet we’re already peaking at 15GW.

    We’ll look back at threads like this and laugh.

    Indeed. It's a debate I've nearly stopped engaging in, as I think the direction is baked in - just like ULEZs and default 20mph limits in England.

    From what I see, Miliband has been doing some very important things such as sorting out the order in which projects get their "grid connection" slots to make it "who is ready first" rather than "in order of when they asked". The latter apparently lead to a lot of "shadow applications" to guarantee the slots, which mean there was a 6-7 year backlog comprising solar capacity equivalent to a couple of times our peak electricity demand.

    Perhaps Ed Milliband will be kept at Energy !

    That will be good for the PB blood pressure.
    Delays in getting a grid connection is also a PITA for several potential CCS projects.
    Ed is doing an outstanding job at energy.

    In a decade that will be fully understood when projects are online
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,867

    I’ve got an application in to recruit the Prime Ministr directly from abroad

    - the last few hires have been time wasters
    - no top notch applicants
    - Role pay well above any reasonable salary limit.

    There's a chap in Canada seems suitable, with previous experience working in the UK too.
    Was thinking more of the loser of the Peruvian election.

    Cheap and incompetent is all the rage.
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 177
    Brixian59 said:

    FT: Alexander calls Starmer to step aside.

    Alexander Armstrong?
    As predicted..

    Heidi Alexander

    One of the 4 or 5 who's views are crucial
    I was hoping it was "Stretch!" Bending over backwards to lend a hand....

    https://youtu.be/PBRBaEXsrJE?si=43hh-FVRBvmPKHIv


    Peter.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,152
    Galloway says he's standing in Manchester, which will hive off some of the lunatic fringes of the Green vote.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,867
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    By coincidence, my calendar's inspirational thought for the day is from PB's Leon. But he might be wrong about his daughter. A lot of entry level work in retail disappeared when high streets were boarded up, in catering when pubs and restaurants closed, and a lot of white collar entry level work has been given to AI (or at least, that's the excuse the PHBs give for not hiring). Tories will add that Labour's job taxes don't help by destroying negative differentials but if the jobs aren't there in the first place...
    Assistant Manager at Dominos gets you a skilled worker visa. Other factors may be greater, but this one is real too.

    TfL are getting station attendants on work visas because they claim they can't recruit here. I mean, come on.
    I assume that this costs the employers time and money to do the paperwork and pay the fees to bring in someone on a visa, so why would they do that if there were available residents looking for work?

    There seems to be a missing piece of information in the story.
    Lower wages, or harder workers, or more docile, exploitable workers, or all three.
    I’ve personal knowledge of a couple of cases where managers were only hiring male applicants from their… home region.

    One even claimed that it was because the others wouldn’t like working with “outsiders”.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,658

    As we are sort of sharing family stories.

    My son went to Uni to do politics at 19 and spent what I thought was too much time clubbing!

    Went from Clubbing to doing part tme leafletting ( he called it marketing!!! ) for a club, got more work there and switched degrees to do Audio engineering, which he supplimented by working in their bar.

    Ended up their full time, became Bar Manager, finished his degree, got his own Licence, part time DJ's and does music and has now at 24 taken over as chief sound engineer for the Club.

    Helped him buy at falt as it was cheaper than Uni accomodation and have sort of written the deposit off, so he and his partner are going to take on the Mortgage next year when teh deal we got runs out..

    Bought in for £120k ( Two bed Southside traditional Tennament!) now worth £150k and they'll only have a £80k mortgage.

    Say what you like about Scotland, and yes the SNP constantly saying we get a raw deal, but being able to still do that, as opposed to the stories you hear about people still at home in their thirties in the Southeast and Glasgow is still very much an affordable city.

    Peter.

    A club has a "chief sound engineer"?

    Must be one hell of a club to justify that role?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,406
    Brixian59 said:

    FT: Alexander calls Starmer to step aside.

    Alexander Armstrong?
    As predicted..

    Heidi Alexander

    One of the 4 or 5 who's views are crucial
    Needs Nandy, Cooper, Mcfadden now to really deliver the coup de gras.

    None of them rebels, Cooper and Mcfadden highly respected, Nancy has been badly treated by Starmer in the past but always loyal to him and one of the best communicators under pressure in any Party
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,020

    FT: Alexander calls Starmer to step aside.

    Haig? The Great?
    Douglas?
    The equivalent of being savaged by a dead Anas.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,867
    edited 4:18PM

    As we are sort of sharing family stories.

    My son went to Uni to do politics at 19 and spent what I thought was too much time clubbing!

    Went from Clubbing to doing part tme leafletting ( he called it marketing!!! ) for a club, got more work there and switched degrees to do Audio engineering, which he supplimented by working in their bar.

    Ended up their full time, became Bar Manager, finished his degree, got his own Licence, part time DJ's and does music and has now at 24 taken over as chief sound engineer for the Club.

    Helped him buy at falt as it was cheaper than Uni accomodation and have sort of written the deposit off, so he and his partner are going to take on the Mortgage next year when teh deal we got runs out..

    Bought in for £120k ( Two bed Southside traditional Tennament!) now worth £150k and they'll only have a £80k mortgage.

    Say what you like about Scotland, and yes the SNP constantly saying we get a raw deal, but being able to still do that, as opposed to the stories you hear about people still at home in their thirties in the Southeast and Glasgow is still very much an affordable city.

    Peter.

    A club has a "chief sound engineer"?

    Must be one hell of a club to justify that role?
    Probably a serious venue, does gigs etc. Some of them have a control desk that looks like you could use it to blow up Alderan.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,203
    edited 4:20PM

    kle4 said:

    I'm about to arrive at a previously Labour for life turned hater of Keir household, it will be interesting to see how they feel about Andy.

    Not Corbynny enough is my guess.

    The question is why your pals went off Keir Starmer. He does seem to have anti-charisma. He evokes an almost visceral hatred in many. I don't know why he does but it is futile to deny it. But the corollary is that changing the man at the top – and nothing else – might be enough.
    He was known as Starmer the Charmer at university and considered very charismatic. But somehow this has been lost or does not come across in his Prime Ministering.
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 177

    As we are sort of sharing family stories.

    My son went to Uni to do politics at 19 and spent what I thought was too much time clubbing!

    Went from Clubbing to doing part tme leafletting ( he called it marketing!!! ) for a club, got more work there and switched degrees to do Audio engineering, which he supplimented by working in their bar.

    Ended up their full time, became Bar Manager, finished his degree, got his own Licence, part time DJ's and does music and has now at 24 taken over as chief sound engineer for the Club.

    Helped him buy at falt as it was cheaper than Uni accomodation and have sort of written the deposit off, so he and his partner are going to take on the Mortgage next year when teh deal we got runs out..

    Bought in for £120k ( Two bed Southside traditional Tennament!) now worth £150k and they'll only have a £80k mortgage.

    Say what you like about Scotland, and yes the SNP constantly saying we get a raw deal, but being able to still do that, as opposed to the stories you hear about people still at home in their thirties in the Southeast and Glasgow is still very much an affordable city.

    Peter.

    A club has a "chief sound engineer"?

    Must be one hell of a club to justify that role?
    Well to be honest the last guy wanted to step down so he is sort of ..The Sound Engineer.

    Having said that he was the guys assitant and helped him rebuild the thing to a tight time scale a few months back so he knows his stuff and it's a pressure job. I am also told a near £400k system!

    Peter.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,937
    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    By coincidence, my calendar's inspirational thought for the day is from PB's Leon. But he might be wrong about his daughter. A lot of entry level work in retail disappeared when high streets were boarded up, in catering when pubs and restaurants closed, and a lot of white collar entry level work has been given to AI (or at least, that's the excuse the PHBs give for not hiring). Tories will add that Labour's job taxes don't help by destroying negative differentials but if the jobs aren't there in the first place...
    Assistant Manager at Dominos gets you a skilled worker visa. Other factors may be greater, but this one is real too.

    TfL are getting station attendants on work visas because they claim they can't recruit here. I mean, come on.
    If the Assistant Manager at Dominos, or TfL Station Attendant is on £41,700 or above then why should they not get a visa?

    If they are not, then closing exemptions to the minimum seems reasonable.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,561

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    Indeed.

    As I noted this morning, both Makerfield and Aberdeen South should be limited to the present circumstances only and shouldn't be extrapolated.
    The Manchester Mayoral election will be of interest. It will tell us how widespread and transferable the Burnseiah Effect is.

    If it isn’t, Labour loses. And the shine comes off Burnham rather rapidly.
    It’s STV. Should be easy Labour hold
    No it’s not.

    It’s the Supplementary Vote system that will be used.
    One would expect that most LibDem and Green voters put Labour as their second preference while Tory voters will be split between whatever numpty Reform finds to put up, and the Labour candidate. On that basis, SV does work to Labour’s advantage. Given that Reform’s balloon is beginning to look a bit droopy, those better-than-evens odds on a Labour mayoral win look quite tasty to me.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,081

    kle4 said:

    I'm about to arrive at a previously Labour for life turned hater of Keir household, it will be interesting to see how they feel about Andy.

    Not Corbynny enough is my guess.

    The question is why your pals went off Keir Starmer. He does seem to have anti-charisma. He evokes an almost visceral hatred in many. I don't know why he does but it is futile to deny it. But the corollary is that changing the man at the top – and nothing else – might be enough.
    He was known as Starmer the Charmer at university and considered very charismatic. But somehow this has been lost or does not come across in his Prime Ministering.
    Burnham now refers to him as Starmer the Seat Warmer...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,203
    IanB2 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    Indeed.

    As I noted this morning, both Makerfield and Aberdeen South should be limited to the present circumstances only and shouldn't be extrapolated.
    The Manchester Mayoral election will be of interest. It will tell us how widespread and transferable the Burnseiah Effect is.

    If it isn’t, Labour loses. And the shine comes off Burnham rather rapidly.
    It’s STV. Should be easy Labour hold
    No it’s not.

    It’s the Supplementary Vote system that will be used.
    One would expect that most LibDem and Green voters put Labour as their second preference while Tory voters will be split between whatever numpty Reform finds to put up, and the Labour candidate. On that basis, SV does work to Labour’s advantage. Given that Reform’s balloon is beginning to look a bit droopy, those better-than-evens odds on a Labour mayoral win look quite tasty to me.
    It doesn’t work to Labour’s advantage. It accurately reveals the electorate’s preference for Labour.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,561

    kle4 said:

    I'm about to arrive at a previously Labour for life turned hater of Keir household, it will be interesting to see how they feel about Andy.

    Not Corbynny enough is my guess.

    The question is why your pals went off Keir Starmer. He does seem to have anti-charisma. He evokes an almost visceral hatred in many. I don't know why he does but it is futile to deny it. But the corollary is that changing the man at the top – and nothing else – might be enough.
    He was known as Starmer the Charmer at university and considered very charismatic. But somehow this has been lost or does not come across in his Prime Ministering.
    Intelligence, insight, and intellectual caution likely come across better in private one-to-one meetings than they do when speaking to conferences by autocue or addressing parliament in the commons.
  • What a disappointment Rew has been
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,010

    kle4 said:

    I'm about to arrive at a previously Labour for life turned hater of Keir household, it will be interesting to see how they feel about Andy.

    Not Corbynny enough is my guess.

    The question is why your pals went off Keir Starmer. He does seem to have anti-charisma. He evokes an almost visceral hatred in many. I don't know why he does but it is futile to deny it. But the corollary is that changing the man at the top – and nothing else – might be enough.
    He was known as Starmer the Charmer at university and considered very charismatic. But somehow this has been lost or does not come across in his Prime Ministering.
    Maybe they were being sarcastic.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,937
    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    I'm about to arrive at a previously Labour for life turned hater of Keir household, it will be interesting to see how they feel about Andy.

    Not Corbynny enough is my guess.

    The question is why your pals went off Keir Starmer. He does seem to have anti-charisma. He evokes an almost visceral hatred in many. I don't know why he does but it is futile to deny it. But the corollary is that changing the man at the top – and nothing else – might be enough.
    He was known as Starmer the Charmer at university and considered very charismatic. But somehow this has been lost or does not come across in his Prime Ministering.
    Burnham now refers to him as Starmer the Seat Warmer...
    Given the way he has managed to take a crash course of landslide majority to utter humiliation in under 2 years thanks to a series of own goals, Starmer the Self Harmer might be appropriate.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,561
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    FT: Alexander calls Starmer to step aside.

    Alexander Armstrong?
    As predicted..

    Heidi Alexander

    One of the 4 or 5 who's views are crucial
    Needs Nandy, Cooper, Mcfadden now to really deliver the coup de gras.

    None of them rebels, Cooper and Mcfadden highly respected, Nancy has been badly treated by Starmer in the past but always loyal to him and one of the best communicators under pressure in any Party
    The only question in town this coming, super-hot, weekend, is whether Labour can summon up the sort of ruthlessness that came as second nature to the Tories when faced with their own similar leadership crises in times past. That the Tories succeeded with their ruthlessness but weren’t always rewarded thereafter makes Labour’s predicament all the more squeaky bum time.
  • Starmer considers resigning. End of June bet still on
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,375
    "Burnham 'wants to be in No 10' in September after Makerfield by-election win"

    https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-burnham-starmer-labour-makerfield-by-election-12593360
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,054

    kle4 said:

    I'm about to arrive at a previously Labour for life turned hater of Keir household, it will be interesting to see how they feel about Andy.

    Not Corbynny enough is my guess.

    The question is why your pals went off Keir Starmer. He does seem to have anti-charisma. He evokes an almost visceral hatred in many. I don't know why he does but it is futile to deny it. But the corollary is that changing the man at the top – and nothing else – might be enough.
    He was known as Starmer the Charmer at university and considered very charismatic. But somehow this has been lost or does not come across in his Prime Ministering.
    In that sense, a lot like John Major in the second half of his Premiership. If people don't want to be charmed, there's not a great deal to be done.

    It doesn't matter how rationally fair it is or isn't, because that's just part of being human.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,602
    FPT

    On previous thread Petercairns sais:

    "It;'s also worth noting that the International annual rate of jobs decline in mature oil fields is set at somehwere between 2-4% so from 1980 to 2030 the natural decline would be from about 130k to around 50k on a 2% decline. or roughly where we will are now regardless of Government policy."

    Sorry but I do laugh when people make such ill informed comments.

    What the hell has the decline in jobs in mature oil fields got to do with anything. Of course they decline. But then you find NEW oil and gas fields to replace them. There is still an estimated recoverable 15 billion BOE equivalent in the UK sector - set against total UK production since the start of the North Sea of 37 billion BOE equivalent. So there are decades of oil and gas still to be developed. Oh and every prediction ever made for the North Sea since it started has underestimated the reserves.

    Those job declines are by no means inevitable except due to political decisions

    It's only recoverable if it's economic do do so and that means the new fields have to be developed in large enough numbers and be big enough to maintain upgrade and expand the existing aging North Sea infrastructure and all indications are taht on a field by field basis they are not.

    Things like Rosebank and West of Shetland go straight to tanker so they mostly don't contribute to the network costs, certainly for oil.

    It matters not a jot how much oil is down there, if the long term cost of developing it, extracting it and getting it ashore doesn't make sense. The smaller the new field and the futher out it is, the more it costs to get it ashore.

    Much like Scargills deep mined coal, it matters not how much there is, if someone elses is cheaper.

    Most new fields in the North Sea are small and only viable if they tie into the existing pipeline network and that isn't going to change.

    Peter.
    Simply wrong in every aspect. We are currently abandoning fields in the North Sea with more than a billion barrels of recoverable oil in each. Because of political decisions not economic ones.

    Much of West of Shetland goes into existing pipeline systems.

    Did you know we take gas from the Clair Ridge platform West of Shetlands, pipe it though to the Magnus in the Northern North Sea, use it for reinjection to help oil production and then pipe the rest of it to Shetlands? I know because I have stood with my hand on the export line as it drops into the sea on Clair Ridge.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,375

    eek said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    Indeed.

    As I noted this morning, both Makerfield and Aberdeen South should be limited to the present circumstances only and shouldn't be extrapolated.
    The Manchester Mayoral election will be of interest. It will tell us how widespread and transferable the Burnseiah Effect is.

    If it isn’t, Labour loses. And the shine comes off Burnham rather rapidly.
    It’s STV. Should be easy Labour hold
    No it’s not.

    It’s the Supplementary Vote system that will be used.
    But Labour and Reform are the 2 obvious top two candidates.

    Which means many people are going to put Labour as their second option.

    Got to say it's why I hate that system as it's really protest vote followed by and this is my choice of the 2 people I think are going to be in the top 2.
    I agree. Why Labour hasn't introduced AV for mayoral elections I have no idea.

    Ironically, if we have Starmer, Burnham and Streeting on the ballot, the country's PM will be selected using AV.
    Labour chose SV over AV precisely because it gives them an advantage, particularly over the Lib Dems.

    It's one of the most obviously cynical things they have ever done.
    The Labour candidate in Greater Manchester will win over 50% of the vote in the first round of voting, the syste, really is not going to make any difference.
    I doubt that.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,152

    Starmer considers resigning. End of June bet still on

    Assuming his ring round of the cabinet was mostly them telling him to beat it.

    His pitch this morning was very 'I fight on, I fight to win' so I was expecting him to be gone by tea time, tbh.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,937

    Starmer considers resigning. End of June bet still on

    Theoretically possible but not going to happen.

    Burnham will let Starmer hit his second anniversary in July. He's not in a hurry and if it saves face and lets Starmer go with a bit of dignity, why not agree to that?
  • ChelyabinskChelyabinsk Posts: 515
    edited 4:32PM

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    By coincidence, my calendar's inspirational thought for the day is from PB's Leon. But he might be wrong about his daughter. A lot of entry level work in retail disappeared when high streets were boarded up, in catering when pubs and restaurants closed, and a lot of white collar entry level work has been given to AI (or at least, that's the excuse the PHBs give for not hiring). Tories will add that Labour's job taxes don't help by destroying negative differentials but if the jobs aren't there in the first place...
    Assistant Manager at Dominos gets you a skilled worker visa. Other factors may be greater, but this one is real too.

    TfL are getting station attendants on work visas because they claim they can't recruit here. I mean, come on.
    If the Assistant Manager at Dominos, or TfL Station Attendant is on £41,700 or above then why should they not get a visa?
    Well, because a) someone disreputable might hire someone from overseas on £41,700 and then make them pay a proportion of their wages back to the employer in cash, with the threat of withdrawing the role and the visa hanging over their head b) we should only import foreign workers in roles for which we demonstrably lack the skills and cannot train a suitable candidate, and both the roles you indicate, regardless of the nominal salary, do not fall into that category. After all, someone here moving into an assistant manager role creates an entry level role at Dominos for a young person or someone struggling on a zero-hours contract; bringing someone in does not.

  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,937
    boulay said:

    kle4 said:

    I'm about to arrive at a previously Labour for life turned hater of Keir household, it will be interesting to see how they feel about Andy.

    Not Corbynny enough is my guess.

    The question is why your pals went off Keir Starmer. He does seem to have anti-charisma. He evokes an almost visceral hatred in many. I don't know why he does but it is futile to deny it. But the corollary is that changing the man at the top – and nothing else – might be enough.
    He was known as Starmer the Charmer at university and considered very charismatic. But somehow this has been lost or does not come across in his Prime Ministering.
    Maybe they were being sarcastic.
    Like Little John.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,085

    Starmer considers resigning. End of June bet still on

    Theoretically possible but not going to happen.

    Burnham will let Starmer hit his second anniversary in July. He's not in a hurry and if it saves face and lets Starmer go with a bit of dignity, why not agree to that?
    He should be in a hurry. Time is ticking and every day counts to get things done before the next election.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,054

    Starmer considers resigning. End of June bet still on

    Theoretically possible but not going to happen.

    Burnham will let Starmer hit his second anniversary in July. He's not in a hurry and if it saves face and lets Starmer go with a bit of dignity, why not agree to that?
    He should be in a hurry. Time is ticking and every day counts to get things done before the next election.
    That assumes that Burnham has the faintest idea what he wants to do as PM, let alone how to do it.

    Shiny sixpence says that he doesn't.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,085

    Starmer considers resigning. End of June bet still on

    Theoretically possible but not going to happen.

    Burnham will let Starmer hit his second anniversary in July. He's not in a hurry and if it saves face and lets Starmer go with a bit of dignity, why not agree to that?
    He should be in a hurry. Time is ticking and every day counts to get things done before the next election.
    That assumes that Burnham has the faintest idea what he wants to do as PM, let alone how to do it.

    Shiny sixpence says that he doesn't.
    Touché
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,895

    I’ve got an application in to recruit the Prime Ministr directly from abroad

    - the last few hires have been time wasters
    - no top notch applicants
    - Role pay well above any reasonable salary limit.

    It's either that or the first AI PM.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,964

    Starmer considers resigning. End of June bet still on

    A link would be nice. #justsayin
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,867

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    By coincidence, my calendar's inspirational thought for the day is from PB's Leon. But he might be wrong about his daughter. A lot of entry level work in retail disappeared when high streets were boarded up, in catering when pubs and restaurants closed, and a lot of white collar entry level work has been given to AI (or at least, that's the excuse the PHBs give for not hiring). Tories will add that Labour's job taxes don't help by destroying negative differentials but if the jobs aren't there in the first place...
    Assistant Manager at Dominos gets you a skilled worker visa. Other factors may be greater, but this one is real too.

    TfL are getting station attendants on work visas because they claim they can't recruit here. I mean, come on.
    If the Assistant Manager at Dominos, or TfL Station Attendant is on £41,700 or above then why should they not get a visa?
    Well, because a) someone disreputable might hire someone from overseas on £41,700 and then make them pay a proportion of their wages back to the employer in cash, with the threat of withdrawing the role and the visa hanging over their head b) we should only import foreign workers in roles for which we demonstrably lack the skills and cannot train a suitable candidate, and both the roles you indicate, regardless of the nominal salary, do not fall into that category. After all, someone here moving into an assistant manager role creates an entry level role at Dominos for a young person or someone struggling on a zero-hours contract; bringing someone in does not.

    For those who don’t know - the sale of visas is a vast trade.

    The one with care home staff was shut down after nearly no one recruited ended up working in care homes.

    The jobs often don’t exist or pay far less than any minimum pay number.

    There is little enforcement - companies found to be selling visas are barred. New ones are bought on line immediately.

    A measure to bar companies that shared directors with other companies that had already been bared was blocked as “too harsh”

    A visa like this can go for north of £15k
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,937

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    By coincidence, my calendar's inspirational thought for the day is from PB's Leon. But he might be wrong about his daughter. A lot of entry level work in retail disappeared when high streets were boarded up, in catering when pubs and restaurants closed, and a lot of white collar entry level work has been given to AI (or at least, that's the excuse the PHBs give for not hiring). Tories will add that Labour's job taxes don't help by destroying negative differentials but if the jobs aren't there in the first place...
    Assistant Manager at Dominos gets you a skilled worker visa. Other factors may be greater, but this one is real too.

    TfL are getting station attendants on work visas because they claim they can't recruit here. I mean, come on.
    If the Assistant Manager at Dominos, or TfL Station Attendant is on £41,700 or above then why should they not get a visa?
    Well, because a) someone disreputable might hire someone from overseas on £41,700 and then make them pay a proportion of their wages back to the employer in cash, with the threat of withdrawing the role and the visa hanging over their head b) we should only import foreign workers in roles for which we demonstrably lack the skills and cannot train a suitable candidate, and both the roles you indicate, regardless of the nominal salary, do not fall into that category. After all, someone here moving into an assistant manager role creates an entry level role at Dominos for a young person or someone struggling on a zero-hours contract; bringing someone in does not.

    Any evidence anyone from Dominos or TfL is doing the former?

    I find that very hard to believe and should be a major scandal with prison sentences if so.

    Maybe dodgy independent firms but I find it hard to believe any major brand with a reputation to lose, or their franchisees could do that without it being a scandal.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,937

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    By coincidence, my calendar's inspirational thought for the day is from PB's Leon. But he might be wrong about his daughter. A lot of entry level work in retail disappeared when high streets were boarded up, in catering when pubs and restaurants closed, and a lot of white collar entry level work has been given to AI (or at least, that's the excuse the PHBs give for not hiring). Tories will add that Labour's job taxes don't help by destroying negative differentials but if the jobs aren't there in the first place...
    Assistant Manager at Dominos gets you a skilled worker visa. Other factors may be greater, but this one is real too.

    TfL are getting station attendants on work visas because they claim they can't recruit here. I mean, come on.
    If the Assistant Manager at Dominos, or TfL Station Attendant is on £41,700 or above then why should they not get a visa?
    Well, because a) someone disreputable might hire someone from overseas on £41,700 and then make them pay a proportion of their wages back to the employer in cash, with the threat of withdrawing the role and the visa hanging over their head b) we should only import foreign workers in roles for which we demonstrably lack the skills and cannot train a suitable candidate, and both the roles you indicate, regardless of the nominal salary, do not fall into that category. After all, someone here moving into an assistant manager role creates an entry level role at Dominos for a young person or someone struggling on a zero-hours contract; bringing someone in does not.

    For those who don’t know - the sale of visas is a vast trade.

    The one with care home staff was shut down after nearly no one recruited ended up working in care homes.

    The jobs often don’t exist or pay far less than any minimum pay number.

    There is little enforcement - companies found to be selling visas are barred. New ones are bought on line immediately.

    A measure to bar companies that shared directors with other companies that had already been bared was blocked as “too harsh”

    A visa like this can go for north of £15k
    New ones being independent firms is plausible.

    New ones being name brands less so.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,867

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    By coincidence, my calendar's inspirational thought for the day is from PB's Leon. But he might be wrong about his daughter. A lot of entry level work in retail disappeared when high streets were boarded up, in catering when pubs and restaurants closed, and a lot of white collar entry level work has been given to AI (or at least, that's the excuse the PHBs give for not hiring). Tories will add that Labour's job taxes don't help by destroying negative differentials but if the jobs aren't there in the first place...
    Assistant Manager at Dominos gets you a skilled worker visa. Other factors may be greater, but this one is real too.

    TfL are getting station attendants on work visas because they claim they can't recruit here. I mean, come on.
    If the Assistant Manager at Dominos, or TfL Station Attendant is on £41,700 or above then why should they not get a visa?
    Well, because a) someone disreputable might hire someone from overseas on £41,700 and then make them pay a proportion of their wages back to the employer in cash, with the threat of withdrawing the role and the visa hanging over their head b) we should only import foreign workers in roles for which we demonstrably lack the skills and cannot train a suitable candidate, and both the roles you indicate, regardless of the nominal salary, do not fall into that category. After all, someone here moving into an assistant manager role creates an entry level role at Dominos for a young person or someone struggling on a zero-hours contract; bringing someone in does not.

    For those who don’t know - the sale of visas is a vast trade.

    The one with care home staff was shut down after nearly no one recruited ended up working in care homes.

    The jobs often don’t exist or pay far less than any minimum pay number.

    There is little enforcement - companies found to be selling visas are barred. New ones are bought on line immediately.

    A measure to bar companies that shared directors with other companies that had already been bared was blocked as “too harsh”

    A visa like this can go for north of £15k
    New ones being independent firms is plausible.

    New ones being name brands less so.
    How much do you think it costs to rent a hiring manager?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,102

    Starmer considers resigning. End of June bet still on

    Theoretically possible but not going to happen.

    Burnham will let Starmer hit his second anniversary in July. He's not in a hurry and if it saves face and lets Starmer go with a bit of dignity, why not agree to that?
    He should be in a hurry. Time is ticking and every day counts to get things done before the next election.
    That assumes that Burnham has the faintest idea what he wants to do as PM, let alone how to do it.

    Shiny sixpence says that he doesn't.
    He wants to be a Northern PM for Northern people, not just Southern ponces and that there London
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,115
    https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2068010625272340885

    Some rumours in Labour circles that Streeting will be Chancellor and Miliband will go to MHCLG.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,066

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    By coincidence, my calendar's inspirational thought for the day is from PB's Leon. But he might be wrong about his daughter. A lot of entry level work in retail disappeared when high streets were boarded up, in catering when pubs and restaurants closed, and a lot of white collar entry level work has been given to AI (or at least, that's the excuse the PHBs give for not hiring). Tories will add that Labour's job taxes don't help by destroying negative differentials but if the jobs aren't there in the first place...
    Assistant Manager at Dominos gets you a skilled worker visa. Other factors may be greater, but this one is real too.

    TfL are getting station attendants on work visas because they claim they can't recruit here. I mean, come on.
    If the Assistant Manager at Dominos, or TfL Station Attendant is on £41,700 or above then why should they not get a visa?
    Well, because a) someone disreputable might hire someone from overseas on £41,700 and then make them pay a proportion of their wages back to the employer in cash, with the threat of withdrawing the role and the visa hanging over their head b) we should only import foreign workers in roles for which we demonstrably lack the skills and cannot train a suitable candidate, and both the roles you indicate, regardless of the nominal salary, do not fall into that category. After all, someone here moving into an assistant manager role creates an entry level role at Dominos for a young person or someone struggling on a zero-hours contract; bringing someone in does not.

    For those who don’t know - the sale of visas is a vast trade.

    The one with care home staff was shut down after nearly no one recruited ended up working in care homes.

    The jobs often don’t exist or pay far less than any minimum pay number.

    There is little enforcement - companies found to be selling visas are barred. New ones are bought on line immediately.

    A measure to bar companies that shared directors with other companies that had already been bared was blocked as “too harsh”

    A visa like this can go for north of £15k
    Do you have any data to back that up? Many of my nursing home patients arrive in clinic with an escort Social Care Worker, who are recent arrivals in the country. Indeed we employ a number of HCA's from Nigeria, India and Southern Africa who arrived in the Boriswave and are happily working away in the post they got the visa for.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,085

    https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2068010625272340885

    Some rumours in Labour circles that Streeting will be Chancellor and Miliband will go to MHCLG.

    What qualifications does Streeting have to be Chancellor?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,054

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    By coincidence, my calendar's inspirational thought for the day is from PB's Leon. But he might be wrong about his daughter. A lot of entry level work in retail disappeared when high streets were boarded up, in catering when pubs and restaurants closed, and a lot of white collar entry level work has been given to AI (or at least, that's the excuse the PHBs give for not hiring). Tories will add that Labour's job taxes don't help by destroying negative differentials but if the jobs aren't there in the first place...
    Assistant Manager at Dominos gets you a skilled worker visa. Other factors may be greater, but this one is real too.

    TfL are getting station attendants on work visas because they claim they can't recruit here. I mean, come on.
    If the Assistant Manager at Dominos, or TfL Station Attendant is on £41,700 or above then why should they not get a visa?
    Well, because a) someone disreputable might hire someone from overseas on £41,700 and then make them pay a proportion of their wages back to the employer in cash, with the threat of withdrawing the role and the visa hanging over their head b) we should only import foreign workers in roles for which we demonstrably lack the skills and cannot train a suitable candidate, and both the roles you indicate, regardless of the nominal salary, do not fall into that category. After all, someone here moving into an assistant manager role creates an entry level role at Dominos for a young person or someone struggling on a zero-hours contract; bringing someone in does not.

    For those who don’t know - the sale of visas is a vast trade.

    The one with care home staff was shut down after nearly no one recruited ended up working in care homes.

    The jobs often don’t exist or pay far less than any minimum pay number.

    There is little enforcement - companies found to be selling visas are barred. New ones are bought on line immediately.

    A measure to bar companies that shared directors with other companies that had already been bared was blocked as “too harsh”

    A visa like this can go for north of £15k
    New ones being independent firms is plausible.

    New ones being name brands less so.
    Isn't the standard model in fast food to be a tiny independent firm who just buys the rights to the brand name? One of our problems with modern business is that it's so hard to work out who is actually responsible for anything. And so easy to engineer a setup where someone takes all the money for something that doesn't create any accountability.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,066

    https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2068010625272340885

    Some rumours in Labour circles that Streeting will be Chancellor and Miliband will go to MHCLG.

    The idea that Fawkes has any insight into Burnhams plans is risible!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,115

    https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2068010625272340885

    Some rumours in Labour circles that Streeting will be Chancellor and Miliband will go to MHCLG.

    What qualifications does Streeting have to be Chancellor?
    He's not a left winger.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,102

    https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2068010625272340885

    Some rumours in Labour circles that Streeting will be Chancellor and Miliband will go to MHCLG.

    What qualifications does Streeting have to be Chancellor?
    He is not Reeves and Burnham wants him in his tent not plotting on the backbenches
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,867

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    By coincidence, my calendar's inspirational thought for the day is from PB's Leon. But he might be wrong about his daughter. A lot of entry level work in retail disappeared when high streets were boarded up, in catering when pubs and restaurants closed, and a lot of white collar entry level work has been given to AI (or at least, that's the excuse the PHBs give for not hiring). Tories will add that Labour's job taxes don't help by destroying negative differentials but if the jobs aren't there in the first place...
    Assistant Manager at Dominos gets you a skilled worker visa. Other factors may be greater, but this one is real too.

    TfL are getting station attendants on work visas because they claim they can't recruit here. I mean, come on.
    If the Assistant Manager at Dominos, or TfL Station Attendant is on £41,700 or above then why should they not get a visa?
    Well, because a) someone disreputable might hire someone from overseas on £41,700 and then make them pay a proportion of their wages back to the employer in cash, with the threat of withdrawing the role and the visa hanging over their head b) we should only import foreign workers in roles for which we demonstrably lack the skills and cannot train a suitable candidate, and both the roles you indicate, regardless of the nominal salary, do not fall into that category. After all, someone here moving into an assistant manager role creates an entry level role at Dominos for a young person or someone struggling on a zero-hours contract; bringing someone in does not.

    For those who don’t know - the sale of visas is a vast trade.

    The one with care home staff was shut down after nearly no one recruited ended up working in care homes.

    The jobs often don’t exist or pay far less than any minimum pay number.

    There is little enforcement - companies found to be selling visas are barred. New ones are bought on line immediately.

    A measure to bar companies that shared directors with other companies that had already been bared was blocked as “too harsh”

    A visa like this can go for north of £15k
    New ones being independent firms is plausible.

    New ones being name brands less so.
    Isn't the standard model in fast food to be a tiny independent firm who just buys the rights to the brand name? One of our problems with modern business is that it's so hard to work out who is actually responsible for anything. And so easy to engineer a setup where someone takes all the money for something that doesn't create any accountability.
    Hiring is often outsourced to recruiters - either fully external or companies that nominally sit inside your building and use your email.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,054
    HYUFD said:

    https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2068010625272340885

    Some rumours in Labour circles that Streeting will be Chancellor and Miliband will go to MHCLG.

    What qualifications does Streeting have to be Chancellor?
    He is not Reeves and Burnham wants him in his tent not plotting on the backbenches
    And whoever becomes Chancellor is going to be very unpopular, even if they do a good job.

    Elevation and castration in one easy move.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,998

    While I expect Burnham to replace Starmer, I'm not as sure as others that it will be plain sailing. Around a quarter of Labour MPs have called for Starmer to go. But what about the other three quarters?

    Around 400 Labour MPs, which is a big number, are essentially being told: Starmer needs to go, but none of you are good enough to replace him, so we're getting the bloke from Manchester in to do the job, as he tells us he's the chosen one.
    I wouldn't be surprised if a fair wedge of them, including some Cabinet Ministers, are a bit pissed of that they're not deemed capable of replacing Starmer.

    If they don't do anything then they cannot really complain.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,102
    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    Somewhat concerning then that according to SeanT this Labour government has just granted the kebab and takeaway industry lots of new licenses to bring in workers from overseas and their dependents.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,066
    IanB2 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    FT: Alexander calls Starmer to step aside.

    Alexander Armstrong?
    As predicted..

    Heidi Alexander

    One of the 4 or 5 who's views are crucial
    Needs Nandy, Cooper, Mcfadden now to really deliver the coup de gras.

    None of them rebels, Cooper and Mcfadden highly respected, Nancy has been badly treated by Starmer in the past but always loyal to him and one of the best communicators under pressure in any Party
    The only question in town this coming, super-hot, weekend, is whether Labour can summon up the sort of ruthlessness that came as second nature to the Tories when faced with their own similar leadership crises in times past. That the Tories succeeded with their ruthlessness but weren’t always rewarded thereafter makes Labour’s predicament all the more squeaky bum time.
    I think they already have.

    What purpose all those PLP visits to Makerfield if not to be on the new boss's team?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,488

    IanB2 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    Indeed.

    As I noted this morning, both Makerfield and Aberdeen South should be limited to the present circumstances only and shouldn't be extrapolated.
    The Manchester Mayoral election will be of interest. It will tell us how widespread and transferable the Burnseiah Effect is.

    If it isn’t, Labour loses. And the shine comes off Burnham rather rapidly.
    It’s STV. Should be easy Labour hold
    No it’s not.

    It’s the Supplementary Vote system that will be used.
    One would expect that most LibDem and Green voters put Labour as their second preference while Tory voters will be split between whatever numpty Reform finds to put up, and the Labour candidate. On that basis, SV does work to Labour’s advantage. Given that Reform’s balloon is beginning to look a bit droopy, those better-than-evens odds on a Labour mayoral win look quite tasty to me.
    It doesn’t work to Labour’s advantage. It accurately reveals the electorate’s preference for Labour.
    It depends on the circumstance.

    Suppose, somehow, the Liberal Democrats were second to Labour in the first round. You can easily imagine there being lots of Green and Tory voters from the first round who would prefer the Lib Dems over Labour, but who put either Labour or Reform as their second preference, on the assumption it would be Reform v Labour in the final two. They would find that they had cast their second vote against their preferences.

    It's the element of having to guess who will be in the final two that gives Labour an advantage in SV compared to AV.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,998
    carnforth said:

    I’ve got an application in to recruit the Prime Ministr directly from abroad

    - the last few hires have been time wasters
    - no top notch applicants
    - Role pay well above any reasonable salary limit.

    Careful, you'll summon Mark Carney.
    Any rule about holding both offices?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,028

    FT: Alexander calls Starmer to step aside.

    Alexander Armstrong?
    Pointless!
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,937

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    By coincidence, my calendar's inspirational thought for the day is from PB's Leon. But he might be wrong about his daughter. A lot of entry level work in retail disappeared when high streets were boarded up, in catering when pubs and restaurants closed, and a lot of white collar entry level work has been given to AI (or at least, that's the excuse the PHBs give for not hiring). Tories will add that Labour's job taxes don't help by destroying negative differentials but if the jobs aren't there in the first place...
    Assistant Manager at Dominos gets you a skilled worker visa. Other factors may be greater, but this one is real too.

    TfL are getting station attendants on work visas because they claim they can't recruit here. I mean, come on.
    If the Assistant Manager at Dominos, or TfL Station Attendant is on £41,700 or above then why should they not get a visa?
    Well, because a) someone disreputable might hire someone from overseas on £41,700 and then make them pay a proportion of their wages back to the employer in cash, with the threat of withdrawing the role and the visa hanging over their head b) we should only import foreign workers in roles for which we demonstrably lack the skills and cannot train a suitable candidate, and both the roles you indicate, regardless of the nominal salary, do not fall into that category. After all, someone here moving into an assistant manager role creates an entry level role at Dominos for a young person or someone struggling on a zero-hours contract; bringing someone in does not.

    For those who don’t know - the sale of visas is a vast trade.

    The one with care home staff was shut down after nearly no one recruited ended up working in care homes.

    The jobs often don’t exist or pay far less than any minimum pay number.

    There is little enforcement - companies found to be selling visas are barred. New ones are bought on line immediately.

    A measure to bar companies that shared directors with other companies that had already been bared was blocked as “too harsh”

    A visa like this can go for north of £15k
    New ones being independent firms is plausible.

    New ones being name brands less so.
    Isn't the standard model in fast food to be a tiny independent firm who just buys the rights to the brand name? One of our problems with modern business is that it's so hard to work out who is actually responsible for anything. And so easy to engineer a setup where someone takes all the money for something that doesn't create any accountability.
    Franchisees to the big brands aren't that tiny is my understanding.

    And given the brand names reputation they need to protect, they generally don't have carte blanche to behave disreputably.

    No name fly by night firm breaks law is not major news and can be met with a revolving door whackamole.

    Domino's breaks law being reported on Newsnight is a headache they won't want.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,998
    edited 4:52PM

    kle4 said:

    I'm about to arrive at a previously Labour for life turned hater of Keir household, it will be interesting to see how they feel about Andy.

    Not Corbynny enough is my guess.

    The question is why your pals went off Keir Starmer. He does seem to have anti-charisma. He evokes an almost visceral hatred in many. I don't know why he does but it is futile to deny it. But the corollary is that changing the man at the top – and nothing else – might be enough.
    They never liked him much as they are big Corbynistas. They seem wary of Andy but willing to give him a go.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,115
    Foxy said:

    https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2068010625272340885

    Some rumours in Labour circles that Streeting will be Chancellor and Miliband will go to MHCLG.

    The idea that Fawkes has any insight into Burnhams plans is risible!
    Depending on Starmer's decision over the weekend, we might find out quite soon.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,937

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    By coincidence, my calendar's inspirational thought for the day is from PB's Leon. But he might be wrong about his daughter. A lot of entry level work in retail disappeared when high streets were boarded up, in catering when pubs and restaurants closed, and a lot of white collar entry level work has been given to AI (or at least, that's the excuse the PHBs give for not hiring). Tories will add that Labour's job taxes don't help by destroying negative differentials but if the jobs aren't there in the first place...
    Assistant Manager at Dominos gets you a skilled worker visa. Other factors may be greater, but this one is real too.

    TfL are getting station attendants on work visas because they claim they can't recruit here. I mean, come on.
    If the Assistant Manager at Dominos, or TfL Station Attendant is on £41,700 or above then why should they not get a visa?
    Well, because a) someone disreputable might hire someone from overseas on £41,700 and then make them pay a proportion of their wages back to the employer in cash, with the threat of withdrawing the role and the visa hanging over their head b) we should only import foreign workers in roles for which we demonstrably lack the skills and cannot train a suitable candidate, and both the roles you indicate, regardless of the nominal salary, do not fall into that category. After all, someone here moving into an assistant manager role creates an entry level role at Dominos for a young person or someone struggling on a zero-hours contract; bringing someone in does not.

    For those who don’t know - the sale of visas is a vast trade.

    The one with care home staff was shut down after nearly no one recruited ended up working in care homes.

    The jobs often don’t exist or pay far less than any minimum pay number.

    There is little enforcement - companies found to be selling visas are barred. New ones are bought on line immediately.

    A measure to bar companies that shared directors with other companies that had already been bared was blocked as “too harsh”

    A visa like this can go for north of £15k
    New ones being independent firms is plausible.

    New ones being name brands less so.
    Isn't the standard model in fast food to be a tiny independent firm who just buys the rights to the brand name? One of our problems with modern business is that it's so hard to work out who is actually responsible for anything. And so easy to engineer a setup where someone takes all the money for something that doesn't create any accountability.
    Hiring is often outsourced to recruiters - either fully external or companies that nominally sit inside your building and use your email.
    Hiring may be, paying salary generally is not. Getting two thirds of salary returned as cash was the claim.

    Any evidence of that happening in any name brand?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,054

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    By coincidence, my calendar's inspirational thought for the day is from PB's Leon. But he might be wrong about his daughter. A lot of entry level work in retail disappeared when high streets were boarded up, in catering when pubs and restaurants closed, and a lot of white collar entry level work has been given to AI (or at least, that's the excuse the PHBs give for not hiring). Tories will add that Labour's job taxes don't help by destroying negative differentials but if the jobs aren't there in the first place...
    Assistant Manager at Dominos gets you a skilled worker visa. Other factors may be greater, but this one is real too.

    TfL are getting station attendants on work visas because they claim they can't recruit here. I mean, come on.
    If the Assistant Manager at Dominos, or TfL Station Attendant is on £41,700 or above then why should they not get a visa?
    Well, because a) someone disreputable might hire someone from overseas on £41,700 and then make them pay a proportion of their wages back to the employer in cash, with the threat of withdrawing the role and the visa hanging over their head b) we should only import foreign workers in roles for which we demonstrably lack the skills and cannot train a suitable candidate, and both the roles you indicate, regardless of the nominal salary, do not fall into that category. After all, someone here moving into an assistant manager role creates an entry level role at Dominos for a young person or someone struggling on a zero-hours contract; bringing someone in does not.

    For those who don’t know - the sale of visas is a vast trade.

    The one with care home staff was shut down after nearly no one recruited ended up working in care homes.

    The jobs often don’t exist or pay far less than any minimum pay number.

    There is little enforcement - companies found to be selling visas are barred. New ones are bought on line immediately.

    A measure to bar companies that shared directors with other companies that had already been bared was blocked as “too harsh”

    A visa like this can go for north of £15k
    New ones being independent firms is plausible.

    New ones being name brands less so.
    Isn't the standard model in fast food to be a tiny independent firm who just buys the rights to the brand name? One of our problems with modern business is that it's so hard to work out who is actually responsible for anything. And so easy to engineer a setup where someone takes all the money for something that doesn't create any accountability.
    Hiring is often outsourced to recruiters - either fully external or companies that nominally sit inside your building and use your email.
    Another version of the same thing. I'm pretty sure that a significant cause of all this is that nobody knows who is actually responsible for stuff, and that the policing of the ends of responsibility leaves huge gaps to explicit.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,066
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    Somewhat concerning then that according to SeanT this Labour government has just granted the kebab and takeaway industry lots of new licenses to bring in workers from overseas and their dependents.
    Is there any evidence to back this up? The starting salary has to be a minimum of £41,700.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,066

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    By coincidence, my calendar's inspirational thought for the day is from PB's Leon. But he might be wrong about his daughter. A lot of entry level work in retail disappeared when high streets were boarded up, in catering when pubs and restaurants closed, and a lot of white collar entry level work has been given to AI (or at least, that's the excuse the PHBs give for not hiring). Tories will add that Labour's job taxes don't help by destroying negative differentials but if the jobs aren't there in the first place...
    Assistant Manager at Dominos gets you a skilled worker visa. Other factors may be greater, but this one is real too.

    TfL are getting station attendants on work visas because they claim they can't recruit here. I mean, come on.
    If the Assistant Manager at Dominos, or TfL Station Attendant is on £41,700 or above then why should they not get a visa?
    Well, because a) someone disreputable might hire someone from overseas on £41,700 and then make them pay a proportion of their wages back to the employer in cash, with the threat of withdrawing the role and the visa hanging over their head b) we should only import foreign workers in roles for which we demonstrably lack the skills and cannot train a suitable candidate, and both the roles you indicate, regardless of the nominal salary, do not fall into that category. After all, someone here moving into an assistant manager role creates an entry level role at Dominos for a young person or someone struggling on a zero-hours contract; bringing someone in does not.

    For those who don’t know - the sale of visas is a vast trade.

    The one with care home staff was shut down after nearly no one recruited ended up working in care homes.

    The jobs often don’t exist or pay far less than any minimum pay number.

    There is little enforcement - companies found to be selling visas are barred. New ones are bought on line immediately.

    A measure to bar companies that shared directors with other companies that had already been bared was blocked as “too harsh”

    A visa like this can go for north of £15k
    New ones being independent firms is plausible.

    New ones being name brands less so.
    Isn't the standard model in fast food to be a tiny independent firm who just buys the rights to the brand name? One of our problems with modern business is that it's so hard to work out who is actually responsible for anything. And so easy to engineer a setup where someone takes all the money for something that doesn't create any accountability.
    Hiring is often outsourced to recruiters - either fully external or companies that nominally sit inside your building and use your email.
    Hiring may be, paying salary generally is not. Getting two thirds of salary returned as cash was the claim.

    Any evidence of that happening in any name brand?
    Or indeed anywhere at all?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,400
    HYUFD said:

    https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2068010625272340885

    Some rumours in Labour circles that Streeting will be Chancellor and Miliband will go to MHCLG.

    What qualifications does Streeting have to be Chancellor?
    He is not Reeves and Burnham wants him in his tent not plotting on the backbenches
    The problem for Starmer Burnham as mentioned before is a large parliamentary majority which newcomers don't have to fight for by going to the nation at a GE. Also if it happens once, it can happen again now the myth of unassailable Labour leader has been scorched.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,083
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    Somewhat concerning then that according to SeanT this Labour government has just granted the kebab and takeaway industry lots of new licenses to bring in workers from overseas and their dependents.
    Is there any evidence to back this up? The starting salary has to be a minimum of £41,700.
    There are plenty of ways to get round that if you are desperate.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,010
    HYUFD said:

    Starmer considers resigning. End of June bet still on

    Theoretically possible but not going to happen.

    Burnham will let Starmer hit his second anniversary in July. He's not in a hurry and if it saves face and lets Starmer go with a bit of dignity, why not agree to that?
    He should be in a hurry. Time is ticking and every day counts to get things done before the next election.
    That assumes that Burnham has the faintest idea what he wants to do as PM, let alone how to do it.

    Shiny sixpence says that he doesn't.
    He wants to be a Northern PM for Northern people, not just Southern ponces and that there London
    I’ve heard on the grapevine that he’s renaming Downing Street to Coronation Street as it’s about time northerners felt they were properly represented.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,396
    edited 5:00PM
    I’m just not convinced by Burnham .

    His campaign was a greatest hits of tired predictable tropes . This change waffle and how the north had been so badly treated ad nauseam !

    He neither has the money to do very much and will he actually stand up to Labour backbenchers ?

    Will he be willing to annoy people and read the riot act ?

    And the problem is that if Burnham fails to deliver the electorate are likely to be in an even more unforgiving mood .

    To put the electorate through all this Labour psycho drama and end up with what they perceive as more broken promises will make current polling look great !

    I hope Burnham can succeed even though I find his self-entitlement grating and he didn’t do the hard yards but has managed to engineer his way into the Commons with the expressed intent of getting rid of the PM within weeks , who regardless of what people think of him saved the Labour Party from more years in the wilderness.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,712
    On the jobs, can recent graduates be classroom assistants, which I am told are short of recruits, when I reached the bottom of a rabbit hole via Lollipop People and School Transport Supervisors.

    I started from a surprising number of road deaths on the old A38, which is a 10-12k veh/day route into town. One 31 y/o drunk on who hit a lamp post on his motorbike , which was not in safe condition, at speed at 11:20pm, one elderly lady who tipped out of her mobility scooter and hit her head on the ground (unusual circs), and another couple without details, altogether running at perhaps one per annum.

    The lollipop people terms are difficult. It is ~30 minutes at fixed times 8:30/9 and 3/3:30-ish twice a day, for essentially minimum wage, with pro-rata holiday, but not within term time. So high prices for travel. So it is a hard tie-down, with no weekday away time possible outside school holidays, for ~170 days per annum, for about £13 per day. That must limit the people who could do it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,066
    eek said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    Somewhat concerning then that according to SeanT this Labour government has just granted the kebab and takeaway industry lots of new licenses to bring in workers from overseas and their dependents.
    Is there any evidence to back this up? The starting salary has to be a minimum of £41,700.
    There are plenty of ways to get round that if you are desperate.
    Presumably well documented on Twitter and Facebook accounts based in Russia.

    Are there any reliable UK reports of this being widespread rather than a rare event?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,115
    Foxy said:

    eek said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    Somewhat concerning then that according to SeanT this Labour government has just granted the kebab and takeaway industry lots of new licenses to bring in workers from overseas and their dependents.
    Is there any evidence to back this up? The starting salary has to be a minimum of £41,700.
    There are plenty of ways to get round that if you are desperate.
    Presumably well documented on Twitter and Facebook accounts based in Russia.

    Are there any reliable UK reports of this being widespread rather than a rare event?
    The government publishes the complete list of sponsors:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/register-of-licensed-sponsors-workers
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,066
    edited 5:05PM
    MattW said:

    On the jobs, can recent graduates be classroom assistants, which I am told are short of recruits, when I reached the bottom of a rabbit hole via Lollipop People and School Transport Supervisors.

    I started from a surprising number of road deaths on the old A38, which is a 10-12k veh/day route into town. One 31 y/o drunk on who hit a lamp post on his motorbike , which was not in safe condition, at speed at 11:20pm, one elderly lady who tipped out of her mobility scooter and hit her head on the ground (unusual circs), and another couple without details, altogether running at perhaps one per annum.

    The lollipop people terms are difficult. It is ~30 minutes at fixed times 8:30/9 and 3/3:30-ish twice a day, for essentially minimum wage, with pro-rata holiday, but not within term time. So high prices for travel. So it is a hard tie-down, with no weekday away time possible outside school holidays, for ~170 days per annum, for about £13 per day. That must limit the people who could do it.

    I think the daughter in question is looking for summer work rather than term-time.

    If she cannot find any work in our capital city packed with businesses that need extra staff for the summer tourist season then I suspect she isn't trying very hard, particularly with a dad who has lots of wealthy friends*

    *it is quite possible that he has none that he would trust with his daughter.
  • novanova Posts: 948
    edited 5:08PM
    Foxy said:

    eek said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    Somewhat concerning then that according to SeanT this Labour government has just granted the kebab and takeaway industry lots of new licenses to bring in workers from overseas and their dependents.
    Is there any evidence to back this up? The starting salary has to be a minimum of £41,700.
    There are plenty of ways to get round that if you are desperate.
    Presumably well documented on Twitter and Facebook accounts based in Russia.

    Are there any reliable UK reports of this being widespread rather than a rare event?
    It was reported in a few papers over the last couple of weeks. Chris Philp was absolutely shocked and disgusted.

    You wouldn't know till you'd got near the end of the articles that the licenses were awarded between 2021 and 2023.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,066

    Foxy said:

    eek said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    Somewhat concerning then that according to SeanT this Labour government has just granted the kebab and takeaway industry lots of new licenses to bring in workers from overseas and their dependents.
    Is there any evidence to back this up? The starting salary has to be a minimum of £41,700.
    There are plenty of ways to get round that if you are desperate.
    Presumably well documented on Twitter and Facebook accounts based in Russia.

    Are there any reliable UK reports of this being widespread rather than a rare event?
    The government publishes the complete list of sponsors:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/register-of-licensed-sponsors-workers
    That is a lost of sponsors, but the job still has to meet the income threshold.

    What I was asking for was evidence that the system is being abused in the way PB's favourite anecdotalist says.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,066
    nova said:

    Foxy said:

    eek said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    Somewhat concerning then that according to SeanT this Labour government has just granted the kebab and takeaway industry lots of new licenses to bring in workers from overseas and their dependents.
    Is there any evidence to back this up? The starting salary has to be a minimum of £41,700.
    There are plenty of ways to get round that if you are desperate.
    Presumably well documented on Twitter and Facebook accounts based in Russia.

    Are there any reliable UK reports of this being widespread rather than a rare event?
    It was reported in a few papers over the last couple of weeks. Chris Phipps was absolutely shocked and disgusted.

    You wouldn't know till you'd got near the end of the articles that the licenses were awarded between 2021 and 2023.
    Well, we all know what went on in the Boris-wave, but is it happenning under current much stricter rules?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,412

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    It's one of those irregular thingies:

    My unemployed daughter is priced out of the market by immigrants.
    Your unemployed daughter needs to get on her bike.
    His unemployed daughter is a bone-idle scrounger.
    It can be hard for university students to get work because they're neither at home nor at their place of study all year long. I grew up in the town where I believe Sean T's daughter is at university and even in the 1990s when I worked in a restaurant in the town they employed a lot more local teenagers than university students, presumably because us kids were there all year round. The few female university students they did employ I remember very fondly... I don't think they employed any "immigrants", it was a very monocultural place in those days.
    My 20yo daughter isn't allowed to work during term time, and luckily found an internship in London this summer. Finding temp work in the holidays is very tough, but as I say most employers don't want staff who can only work a fraction of the year.
    Yes, my lad wasn't allowed to work during term time either and also found an internship in London in the summer after his second year. That internship was his passport to a job after graduation; hopefully your daughter's internship will be equally beneficial to her. A big well done to her for landing it! I know how competitive they can be.
    How was he not allowed to work in term time? Students are private citizens and can do what they want. Many of my pharmacy students have jobs. It’s tough working and studying but it pays the bills a bit.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,658
    On the jobs for students over summer etc issue.

    Why not become a social care worker?

    Absolutely bloody masses of vacancies and a worthwhile life experience job if only for a few months.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,658
    On the jobs for students over summer etc issue.

    Why not become a social care worker?

    Absolutely bloody masses of vacancies and a worthwhile life experience job if only for a few months.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,342

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    It's one of those irregular thingies:

    My unemployed daughter is priced out of the market by immigrants.
    Your unemployed daughter needs to get on her bike.
    His unemployed daughter is a bone-idle scrounger.
    It can be hard for university students to get work because they're neither at home nor at their place of study all year long. I grew up in the town where I believe Sean T's daughter is at university and even in the 1990s when I worked in a restaurant in the town they employed a lot more local teenagers than university students, presumably because us kids were there all year round. The few female university students they did employ I remember very fondly... I don't think they employed any "immigrants", it was a very monocultural place in those days.
    My 20yo daughter isn't allowed to work during term time, and luckily found an internship in London this summer. Finding temp work in the holidays is very tough, but as I say most employers don't want staff who can only work a fraction of the year.
    Yes, my lad wasn't allowed to work during term time either and also found an internship in London in the summer after his second year. That internship was his passport to a job after graduation; hopefully your daughter's internship will be equally beneficial to her. A big well done to her for landing it! I know how competitive they can be.
    How was he not allowed to work in term time? Students are private citizens and can do what they want. Many of my pharmacy students have jobs. It’s tough working and studying but it pays the bills a bit.
    It's an Oxford thing. TBH, I'm not sure how they'd stop you working, but he was happy enough to go along with it! I worked part-time at the post sorting office when I was a student (not at Oxford!).
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,712
    Do we know very much about what areas will be of interest to Mr Burnham policy-wise?

    From what I pick up it could be a focus on social care, cost of living (ie balance of taxes) / benefits / spend), utilities (which probably means water), social / affordable housing.

    Plus electoral reform, and continued emphasis on defence. I'd probably just get Mr Healey back, as he has been good on foundations within the limitations he had.

    So that puts a premium on ministers who are deft - so I'd expect people like the Home Secretary to stay in position..
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,412

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    It's one of those irregular thingies:

    My unemployed daughter is priced out of the market by immigrants.
    Your unemployed daughter needs to get on her bike.
    His unemployed daughter is a bone-idle scrounger.
    It can be hard for university students to get work because they're neither at home nor at their place of study all year long. I grew up in the town where I believe Sean T's daughter is at university and even in the 1990s when I worked in a restaurant in the town they employed a lot more local teenagers than university students, presumably because us kids were there all year round. The few female university students they did employ I remember very fondly... I don't think they employed any "immigrants", it was a very monocultural place in those days.
    My 20yo daughter isn't allowed to work during term time, and luckily found an internship in London this summer. Finding temp work in the holidays is very tough, but as I say most employers don't want staff who can only work a fraction of the year.
    Yes, my lad wasn't allowed to work during term time either and also found an internship in London in the summer after his second year. That internship was his passport to a job after graduation; hopefully your daughter's internship will be equally beneficial to her. A big well done to her for landing it! I know how competitive they can be.
    How was he not allowed to work in term time? Students are private citizens and can do what they want. Many of my pharmacy students have jobs. It’s tough working and studying but it pays the bills a bit.
    It's an Oxford thing. TBH, I'm not sure how they'd stop you working, but he was happy enough to go along with it! I worked part-time at the post sorting office when I was a student (not at Oxford!).
    I guess you could make it a stipulation that you don’t work, but that seems a bit off. Mind you, short terms at Oxford, the slackers.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,124

    FT: Alexander calls Starmer to step aside.

    Haig? The Great?
    Think Lederhosen and pigtails.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,488

    On the jobs for students over summer etc issue.

    Why not become a social care worker?

    Absolutely bloody masses of vacancies and a worthwhile life experience job if only for a few months.

    Nobody is going to go to the trouble of training someone to be a social care worker, and all the paperwork, for them to work a summer job, plus of course you need to have a car to get between appointments.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,867

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    It's one of those irregular thingies:

    My unemployed daughter is priced out of the market by immigrants.
    Your unemployed daughter needs to get on her bike.
    His unemployed daughter is a bone-idle scrounger.
    It can be hard for university students to get work because they're neither at home nor at their place of study all year long. I grew up in the town where I believe Sean T's daughter is at university and even in the 1990s when I worked in a restaurant in the town they employed a lot more local teenagers than university students, presumably because us kids were there all year round. The few female university students they did employ I remember very fondly... I don't think they employed any "immigrants", it was a very monocultural place in those days.
    My 20yo daughter isn't allowed to work during term time, and luckily found an internship in London this summer. Finding temp work in the holidays is very tough, but as I say most employers don't want staff who can only work a fraction of the year.
    Yes, my lad wasn't allowed to work during term time either and also found an internship in London in the summer after his second year. That internship was his passport to a job after graduation; hopefully your daughter's internship will be equally beneficial to her. A big well done to her for landing it! I know how competitive they can be.
    How was he not allowed to work in term time? Students are private citizens and can do what they want. Many of my pharmacy students have jobs. It’s tough working and studying but it pays the bills a bit.
    My parents scrapped and sacrificed so that I didn't need to work at university. In fact I was pretty much forbidden. They saw it as investing in my future.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,712
    Hmm. Another of my 'predictions' just half landed, ish (very ish).

    The Transport Secretary has resigned, so we will have a new one.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,867
    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    On the jobs, can recent graduates be classroom assistants, which I am told are short of recruits, when I reached the bottom of a rabbit hole via Lollipop People and School Transport Supervisors.

    I started from a surprising number of road deaths on the old A38, which is a 10-12k veh/day route into town. One 31 y/o drunk on who hit a lamp post on his motorbike , which was not in safe condition, at speed at 11:20pm, one elderly lady who tipped out of her mobility scooter and hit her head on the ground (unusual circs), and another couple without details, altogether running at perhaps one per annum.

    The lollipop people terms are difficult. It is ~30 minutes at fixed times 8:30/9 and 3/3:30-ish twice a day, for essentially minimum wage, with pro-rata holiday, but not within term time. So high prices for travel. So it is a hard tie-down, with no weekday away time possible outside school holidays, for ~170 days per annum, for about £13 per day. That must limit the people who could do it.

    I think the daughter in question is looking for summer work rather than term-time.

    If she cannot find any work in our capital city packed with businesses that need extra staff for the summer tourist season then I suspect she isn't trying very hard, particularly with a dad who has lots of wealthy friends*

    *it is quite possible that he has none that he would trust with his daughter.
    My daughter only found her job by going through a friend who already worked there (aka nepotism). Many of her friends in London find getting jobs in pubs and restaurants (and the like) next to impossible.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,658

    On the jobs for students over summer etc issue.

    Why not become a social care worker?

    Absolutely bloody masses of vacancies and a worthwhile life experience job if only for a few months.

    Nobody is going to go to the trouble of training someone to be a social care worker, and all the paperwork, for them to work a summer job, plus of course you need to have a car to get between appointments.
    You can do the training while you work.

    If you get the basic certification you can use it again during term time or next summer.

  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,712

    On the jobs for students over summer etc issue.

    Why not become a social care worker?

    Absolutely bloody masses of vacancies and a worthwhile life experience job if only for a few months.

    Nobody is going to go to the trouble of training someone to be a social care worker, and all the paperwork, for them to work a summer job, plus of course you need to have a car to get between appointments.
    I had a look at the Lollipop People application forms, and it is a fairly detailed cv, what skills do you have for this position, plus an Enhanced Safeguarding check, which sounds a lot for someone who is paid £2k-£2.5k per annum.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,998

    On the jobs for students over summer etc issue.

    Why not become a social care worker?

    Absolutely bloody masses of vacancies and a worthwhile life experience job if only for a few months.

    Nobody is going to go to the trouble of training someone to be a social care worker, and all the paperwork, for them to work a summer job, plus of course you need to have a car to get between appointments.
    My brother doesnt, but has a lot of cycling to do between 3 villages.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,998

    On the jobs for students over summer etc issue.

    Why not become a social care worker?

    Absolutely bloody masses of vacancies and a worthwhile life experience job if only for a few months.

    Nobody is going to go to the trouble of training someone to be a social care worker, and all the paperwork, for them to work a summer job, plus of course you need to have a car to get between appointments.
    My brother doesnt, but has a lot of cycling to do between 3 villages.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,115
    Zelensky threatens a new Belarusian front:

    https://x.com/clashreport/status/2068005484494307834

    Zelensky:

    I am giving Lukashenko one week to withdraw the military equipment from the Ukrainian border that is being used to adjust artillery fire against the Ukrainian population.

    Otherwise, we will do it ourselves.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,010

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    It's one of those irregular thingies:

    My unemployed daughter is priced out of the market by immigrants.
    Your unemployed daughter needs to get on her bike.
    His unemployed daughter is a bone-idle scrounger.
    It can be hard for university students to get work because they're neither at home nor at their place of study all year long. I grew up in the town where I believe Sean T's daughter is at university and even in the 1990s when I worked in a restaurant in the town they employed a lot more local teenagers than university students, presumably because us kids were there all year round. The few female university students they did employ I remember very fondly... I don't think they employed any "immigrants", it was a very monocultural place in those days.
    My 20yo daughter isn't allowed to work during term time, and luckily found an internship in London this summer. Finding temp work in the holidays is very tough, but as I say most employers don't want staff who can only work a fraction of the year.
    Yes, my lad wasn't allowed to work during term time either and also found an internship in London in the summer after his second year. That internship was his passport to a job after graduation; hopefully your daughter's internship will be equally beneficial to her. A big well done to her for landing it! I know how competitive they can be.
    How was he not allowed to work in term time? Students are private citizens and can do what they want. Many of my pharmacy students have jobs. It’s tough working and studying but it pays the bills a bit.
    My parents scrapped and sacrificed so that I didn't need to work at university. In fact I was pretty much forbidden. They saw it as investing in my future.
    My old man made me work for a good chunk of the summer holidays in manual jobs from the age of 16 he wanted me to not be an utter twat and to have to learn to get on with people from all walks of life and experience physical work. He made it very simple, you can go and earn money and you will actually end up enjoying it or you can have a small amount of allowance and miss out on the opportunity.

    I am so glad I did. Worked on building sites, car washing for garages etc. met loads of great people and once they got over my accent and my life/education, there was always infinitely more in common. It’s not like I was a horny handed son of toil but was still a good life experience.

    I still bump into mechanics, lorry drivers, chippies etc from decades ago and we laugh and have a pint.

    His family did the same to him and it is something I will always thank him for.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,964
    MattW said:

    Hmm. Another of my 'predictions' just half landed, ish (very ish).

    The Transport Secretary has resigned, so we will have a new one.

    Has she? (Heidi Alexander). It's not on the news feeds nor her twitter
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