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  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,176

    Pulpstar said:

    White supremacists with links to banned neo-Nazi groups are helping to fund Restore Britain.

    Rupert Lowe’s party could hold the balance of power in Thursday’s Makerfield by-election by splitting the Right-wing vote with Reform UK, clearing the way for Labour’s Andy Burnham to win.

    Some of Restore’s supporters are so openly racist that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, the far-Right activist detained last week under counter-terrorism laws, has questioned whether the party is too extreme.

    Yaxley-Lennon, who uses the alias Tommy Robinson, challenged Mr Lowe to ask whether black people would be allowed to stand as parliamentary candidates for the party, or whether their skin colour would rule them out. Robinson suggested they should be able to stand.


    Among Restore’s recent supporters is Steve Laws, who campaigns for “total remigration” of all non-white people. He posted on social media that he had donated to the party.

    Jared Taylor, an American banned from the UK because of his extreme racist views, has become a paid-up member.

    Other neo-fascists who have paid to join Restore include Sam Melia, who was jailed in 2024 for stirring up racial hatred, Sam Wilkes, a Nazi apologist, and Simon Birkett, who is buying up land for the benefit of “the British people”.

    Mr Laws, who has said he has “signed up and donated” to Restore Britain, describes himself as the founder of Remigration Now, which calls for the expulsion of every non-white and Jewish person from Britain.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/06/17/white-supremacists-fund-rupert-lowes-restore-party/

    Steve Laws regards Tommy Robinson as a wet liberal tbh.
    Yup, all to do with Tommeh supporting Israel.
    That's more Andrew Tate's beef with Tommy tbh, Steve Laws is very openly and unashamedly racist in the truest meaning of the word.
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 150
    HYUFD said:

    It is quite possible Labour win Makerfield, the Conservatives win Aberdeen South and the SNP win Arbroath. In which case the main parties will have done reasonably well.

    While if Restore take lots of Reform votes it will be Farage as Napoleon facing his Waterloo, at least for now

    See see...main Parties...the SNP....I told you all we were significant!!!!!

    Peter.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,035
    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    This (phased array ultrasound full body scanner) is very cool, and seems to be entirely valid technically.
    Sell your shares in MRI manufacturers.

    amazing new medical tech from Midjourney

    "This is a new kind of infrastructure. It’s Full Body Ultrasonic Computational Tomography. No such device has ever been built until now, and yeah, we’re calling it the Midjourney Scanner."

    "Less than a dozen of these machines operating together at full speed can do more full body scans than every MRI machine together on Earth. Our goal is to build a fleet of 50,000 of these scanners, capable together of doing a billion scans a month—enough to bring full body imaging to everyone on Earth."

    https://x.com/Dr_Singularity/status/2067459556809064863

    I will wait and see an actual machine because to me this is Midjourney trying to find a purpose and accidentally creating Theranos mark 2
    Theranos didn’t even have any working tech. This does appear to have working tech. Whether it’s as good as they claim, I dunno.
    Remains to be seen.

    It seems to be based on this CalTech proof of principle.

    Whole cross-sectional human ultrasound tomography
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41551-026-01660-4

    Resolution here doesn't compare with MRI, and the scanned subject was submerged in water.
    But there are all kinds of tricks for improving resolution and contrast, both computational and physical (eg phase plates).

    It all looks feasible.
    You could use it for active treatment, too.
    (cf the fairly primitive use of ultrasound for shattering kidney stones)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,176
    I think Burnham will win and then go on to get the crown tbh.

    Will his popularity survive contact with the throne though ?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,384

    Just on Versailles: WWI started as it did partly due to Germany thinking they could rapidly knock out France after absolutely crushing them in the Franco-Prussian war about four decades earlier.

    However, time (and tech) had moved on dramatically. Thank goodness we can draw on such lessons and not waste billions on tanks instead of drones.

    I think in their desperation to avoid a war on two fronts they kidded themselves that the Schlieffen plan could work, when in reality it was bobbins. The expectation for the right wing of the attack to fight and march over hundreds of miles to encircle Paris? Implausible. Just as Barbarossa was always going to run out of steam (how do you supply 3 million men when you have advanced 600 miles over dirt roads?) so the Schlieffen plan ignored logistical reality.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,566

    The stupid fcukers put their trust in Trump! Not fit to be let out on their own.


    Kosher
    @koshercockney
    ·
    8h
    Absolutely bonkers.

    Trump: "Hamas actually behaved pretty well."

    What the hell happened to this guy?

    https://x.com/koshercockney/status/2067398551047385477?s=20

    Other way round. Trump put his trust in Israel. They fucked it.

    They are now reaping

    Fuck them
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,176
    Taz said:

    The stupid fcukers put their trust in Trump! Not fit to be let out on their own.


    Kosher
    @koshercockney
    ·
    8h
    Absolutely bonkers.

    Trump: "Hamas actually behaved pretty well."

    What the hell happened to this guy?

    https://x.com/koshercockney/status/2067398551047385477?s=20

    Other way round. Trump put his trust in Israel. They fucked it.

    They are now reaping

    Fuck them
    As Owen Jones puts it

    😂😂😂😂
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,074
    Pulpstar said:

    Taz said:

    The stupid fcukers put their trust in Trump! Not fit to be let out on their own.


    Kosher
    @koshercockney
    ·
    8h
    Absolutely bonkers.

    Trump: "Hamas actually behaved pretty well."

    What the hell happened to this guy?

    https://x.com/koshercockney/status/2067398551047385477?s=20

    Other way round. Trump put his trust in Israel. They fucked it.

    They are now reaping

    Fuck them
    As Owen Jones puts it

    😂😂😂😂
    The full quote is quite funny.

    “When they were born, they came out with a machine gun in their hands. That’s not the easiest thing. But they’ve actually behaved pretty well considering that this was not the lifestyle they were taught to have.”
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 150
    Unrelated, but I thought this might interest people given the debate about not just defence spending, but how and what to spend it on!

    https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/products/mmauv.html

    In theory things like this couldn't just recharge, but piggy back onto any ship and ride it into any port!

    Peter.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,929
    edited 9:12AM

    algarkirk said:

    White supremacists with links to banned neo-Nazi groups are helping to fund Restore Britain.

    Rupert Lowe’s party could hold the balance of power in Thursday’s Makerfield by-election by splitting the Right-wing vote with Reform UK, clearing the way for Labour’s Andy Burnham to win.

    Some of Restore’s supporters are so openly racist that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, the far-Right activist detained last week under counter-terrorism laws, has questioned whether the party is too extreme.

    Yaxley-Lennon, who uses the alias Tommy Robinson, challenged Mr Lowe to ask whether black people would be allowed to stand as parliamentary candidates for the party, or whether their skin colour would rule them out. Robinson suggested they should be able to stand.


    Among Restore’s recent supporters is Steve Laws, who campaigns for “total remigration” of all non-white people. He posted on social media that he had donated to the party.

    Jared Taylor, an American banned from the UK because of his extreme racist views, has become a paid-up member.

    Other neo-fascists who have paid to join Restore include Sam Melia, who was jailed in 2024 for stirring up racial hatred, Sam Wilkes, a Nazi apologist, and Simon Birkett, who is buying up land for the benefit of “the British people”.

    Mr Laws, who has said he has “signed up and donated” to Restore Britain, describes himself as the founder of Remigration Now, which calls for the expulsion of every non-white and Jewish person from Britain.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/06/17/white-supremacists-fund-rupert-lowes-restore-party/

    Is it reassuring, troubling, or just odd that Farage should start sounding like a wet liberal with a passion for the rule of law and a desire for peaceful integration?

    As to the unfolding of the monsters of the sleep of reason, will the Vikings wanting to expel the Saxons get their first, or will the Anglians wanting to expel the Picts beat them to it?

    I really like the phrase "monsters of the sleep of reason". If I knew what it meant I might steal it!
    @OldKingCole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sleep_of_Reason_Produces_Monsters
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 10,115

    What do we think of the word 'semiquincentennial'?

    It just feels wrong and ugly to me.

    Quadrimillenial sounds better
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,003

    Huge turnout in Makerfield.
    I can see the queues from Brighton pier.

    Is it brisk, though?
    "Brisk" is the PB version of the board game Risk.
  • wembleytorwembleytor Posts: 35
    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    This (phased array ultrasound full body scanner) is very cool, and seems to be entirely valid technically.
    Sell your shares in MRI manufacturers.

    amazing new medical tech from Midjourney

    "This is a new kind of infrastructure. It’s Full Body Ultrasonic Computational Tomography. No such device has ever been built until now, and yeah, we’re calling it the Midjourney Scanner."

    "Less than a dozen of these machines operating together at full speed can do more full body scans than every MRI machine together on Earth. Our goal is to build a fleet of 50,000 of these scanners, capable together of doing a billion scans a month—enough to bring full body imaging to everyone on Earth."

    https://x.com/Dr_Singularity/status/2067459556809064863

    I will wait and see an actual machine because to me this is Midjourney trying to find a purpose and accidentally creating Theranos mark 2
    Yes. As someone who works in a related field, I'm sceptical. While slickly presented, Midjourney are making a lot of bold claims, and supplying very little evidence. The images they have released are Al-buffed images of phantoms - they haven't shown an image of a human. So far they have scanned "about a dozen" people.

    The CEO statements are dripping in qualifiers and weasel words e.g. "aims for image quality comparable to MRI in many ways", which could mean pretty much anything. They are calling the machine "Ultrasonic CT" which is misleading, as it is an ultrasound machine (CT is generally used as a shorthand for X-ray computed tomography).

    From this alpha level prototype, they think they can produce 50,000 machines in 5 years. That's in the region of the entire existing global install base of MRI scanners.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,035
    edited 9:20AM
    viewcode dupe
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 10,115

    Nigelb said:

    Trump favourably compares the president of Syria with Netanyahu (whom he also called "very much the junior partner"0.

    “The president of #Syria. He’s done a tremendous job… He’d love to go in [to #Lebanon]… he wouldn’t knock down buildings every time he hears there’s someone there, he’d just go in with precision.”..
    https://x.com/Charles_Lister/status/2067311287126647194

    Of course this is (even for someone like me who thinks Julani/Ahmed al-Sharaa is, on balance, probably now a force for stability in Syria) objectively insane. But it shows which way Trump is leaning.

    Bib has joined the Pantheon of those who Trump feels have personally betrayed him. Quite difficult to come back from that. Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke.
    I wonder what Trump has in store for Netanyahu.
    Perhaps Trump will intervene in the Israeli election in September, - maybe making US aid to Israel conditional on the rejection of Netanyahu in the election.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,459

    Huge turnout in Makerfield.
    I can see the queues from Brighton pier.

    Is it brisk, though?
    "Brisk" is the PB version of the board game Risk.
    Unaccountably there isn't a map for Conquer Club based on British Westminster constituency boundaries.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,546
    edited 9:21AM

    Nigelb said:

    Trump favourably compares the president of Syria with Netanyahu (whom he also called "very much the junior partner"0.

    “The president of #Syria. He’s done a tremendous job… He’d love to go in [to #Lebanon]… he wouldn’t knock down buildings every time he hears there’s someone there, he’d just go in with precision.”..
    https://x.com/Charles_Lister/status/2067311287126647194

    Of course this is (even for someone like me who thinks Julani/Ahmed al-Sharaa is, on balance, probably now a force for stability in Syria) objectively insane. But it shows which way Trump is leaning.

    Bib has joined the Pantheon of those who Trump feels have personally betrayed him. Quite difficult to come back from that. Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke.
    Haven't found the Tweet but some MAGA influencers want Trump to bomb Israel if Bibi betrays Trump over the Iran deal.
    And their doppelgängers in Israel are raging about Trump's 'betrayal'. Time for Israel to go it alone and perhaps bust out one of their nuclear weapons (which they may or may not possess) in a relatively uninhabited area is some of what I've read.
    If there is ever any point in Israel having nuclear weapons, it is to use them destroying their nemesis before thei nemesis can get them and use them against Israel.

    Expect Israel to threaten Iran with nuclear destruction if they consider they are close to making a bomb.

    Meanwhile, Iran has new-found economic clout (plus it took on and beat Israel and the US combined). Why do they need a bomb?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,743
    Happy King is Crowned Farage has already peaked day to all on PB

    Have £100 treble at boosted odds of almost 6/4 on KoN/SNP/SNP from a few weeks ago so hopeful for that too
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,507

    algarkirk said:

    White supremacists with links to banned neo-Nazi groups are helping to fund Restore Britain.

    Rupert Lowe’s party could hold the balance of power in Thursday’s Makerfield by-election by splitting the Right-wing vote with Reform UK, clearing the way for Labour’s Andy Burnham to win.

    Some of Restore’s supporters are so openly racist that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, the far-Right activist detained last week under counter-terrorism laws, has questioned whether the party is too extreme.

    Yaxley-Lennon, who uses the alias Tommy Robinson, challenged Mr Lowe to ask whether black people would be allowed to stand as parliamentary candidates for the party, or whether their skin colour would rule them out. Robinson suggested they should be able to stand.


    Among Restore’s recent supporters is Steve Laws, who campaigns for “total remigration” of all non-white people. He posted on social media that he had donated to the party.

    Jared Taylor, an American banned from the UK because of his extreme racist views, has become a paid-up member.

    Other neo-fascists who have paid to join Restore include Sam Melia, who was jailed in 2024 for stirring up racial hatred, Sam Wilkes, a Nazi apologist, and Simon Birkett, who is buying up land for the benefit of “the British people”.

    Mr Laws, who has said he has “signed up and donated” to Restore Britain, describes himself as the founder of Remigration Now, which calls for the expulsion of every non-white and Jewish person from Britain.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/06/17/white-supremacists-fund-rupert-lowes-restore-party/

    Is it reassuring, troubling, or just odd that Farage should start sounding like a wet liberal with a passion for the rule of law and a desire for peaceful integration?

    As to the unfolding of the monsters of the sleep of reason, will the Vikings wanting to expel the Saxons get their first, or will the Anglians wanting to expel the Picts beat them to it?

    I really like the phrase "monsters of the sleep of reason". If I knew what it meant I might steal it!
    Goya.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sleep_of_Reason_Produces_Monsters

    'The Sleep of Reason' is also the title of a now forgotten C.P. Snow novel about an irrational murder, part of the neglected 'Strangers and Brothers' sequence. of which the great one is 'The Masters'. Snow was the Melvyn Bragg of his day in a number of respects.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,743
    Gary Neville for Mayor of Manchester?

    On the back of a World Cup campaign where the multicultural team conquer all!!!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,546
    edited 9:24AM
    Nigelb said:
    "the owls are symbols of folly".

    Nobody told Ed Miliband...
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,743

    Huge turnout in Makerfield.
    I can see the queues from Brighton pier.

    Is it brisk, though?
    "Brisk" is the PB version of the board game Risk.
    KoN secures world domination!!
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,573
    Pulpstar said:

    I think Burnham will win and then go on to get the crown tbh.

    Will his popularity survive contact with the throne though ?

    Yes, yes, no.
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 150
    edited 9:31AM

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    This (phased array ultrasound full body scanner) is very cool, and seems to be entirely valid technically.
    Sell your shares in MRI manufacturers.

    amazing new medical tech from Midjourney

    "This is a new kind of infrastructure. It’s Full Body Ultrasonic Computational Tomography. No such device has ever been built until now, and yeah, we’re calling it the Midjourney Scanner."

    "Less than a dozen of these machines operating together at full speed can do more full body scans than every MRI machine together on Earth. Our goal is to build a fleet of 50,000 of these scanners, capable together of doing a billion scans a month—enough to bring full body imaging to everyone on Earth."

    https://x.com/Dr_Singularity/status/2067459556809064863

    I will wait and see an actual machine because to me this is Midjourney trying to find a purpose and accidentally creating Theranos mark 2
    Yes. As someone who works in a related field, I'm sceptical. While slickly presented, Midjourney are making a lot of bold claims, and supplying very little evidence. The images they have released are Al-buffed images of phantoms - they haven't shown an image of a human. So far they have scanned "about a dozen" people.

    The CEO statements are dripping in qualifiers and weasel words e.g. "aims for image quality comparable to MRI in many ways", which could mean pretty much anything. They are calling the machine "Ultrasonic CT" which is misleading, as it is an ultrasound machine (CT is generally used as a shorthand for X-ray computed tomography).

    From this alpha level prototype, they think they can produce 50,000 machines in 5 years. That's in the region of the entire existing global install base of MRI scanners.
    With all these things there is a need to wait and see.

    The tendancy to "Fake It Till You make It!" particular in the US has become a real problem.

    Whether it be Oxycontin, Theranos or even SpaceX and the Startship or Tesla's Robo Taxi, hyping a product to attract investors has almost become the norm, everybody ploughing in to the next big thing in the hope of Crypto type gains.

    My favourite is Asteroid Mining...

    They talk about the trillions in platinum in Asteroids but that assumes that when you bring that much to earth the price won't collapse ! Of course when supply outstrips demand the most expensive producers go bust...which of course would be the Asteroid Miners.

    Great way to raise money from those who dream of getting rich quick, but not if they have the brains to spot the obvious flaw!

    Peter.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,573
    Pulpstar said:

    White supremacists with links to banned neo-Nazi groups are helping to fund Restore Britain.

    Rupert Lowe’s party could hold the balance of power in Thursday’s Makerfield by-election by splitting the Right-wing vote with Reform UK, clearing the way for Labour’s Andy Burnham to win.

    Some of Restore’s supporters are so openly racist that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, the far-Right activist detained last week under counter-terrorism laws, has questioned whether the party is too extreme.

    Yaxley-Lennon, who uses the alias Tommy Robinson, challenged Mr Lowe to ask whether black people would be allowed to stand as parliamentary candidates for the party, or whether their skin colour would rule them out. Robinson suggested they should be able to stand.


    Among Restore’s recent supporters is Steve Laws, who campaigns for “total remigration” of all non-white people. He posted on social media that he had donated to the party.

    Jared Taylor, an American banned from the UK because of his extreme racist views, has become a paid-up member.

    Other neo-fascists who have paid to join Restore include Sam Melia, who was jailed in 2024 for stirring up racial hatred, Sam Wilkes, a Nazi apologist, and Simon Birkett, who is buying up land for the benefit of “the British people”.

    Mr Laws, who has said he has “signed up and donated” to Restore Britain, describes himself as the founder of Remigration Now, which calls for the expulsion of every non-white and Jewish person from Britain.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/06/17/white-supremacists-fund-rupert-lowes-restore-party/

    Steve Laws regards Tommy Robinson as a wet liberal tbh.
    "Too racist for Tommy Robinson" is an interesting spot to be occupying.
  • PJHPJH Posts: 1,154
    MelonB said:

    MelonB said:

    MelonB said:

    Meanwhile with the world's eyes on Hormuz and Makerfield, I'm in another geopolitical hotspot. Where am I?


    Istanbul.
    Need more precision than that. You'd never win geoguessr
    I know it's a park in/next to Tacsim Square.
    Yes, Gezi park: famously the hotbed of revolutionary NIMBYism.
    Frustratingly I knew I'd been there but couldn't remember where it was!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,592

    Just on Versailles: WWI started as it did partly due to Germany thinking they could rapidly knock out France after absolutely crushing them in the Franco-Prussian war about four decades earlier.

    However, time (and tech) had moved on dramatically. Thank goodness we can draw on such lessons and not waste billions on tanks instead of drones.

    At the start of ww1 there were no tanks, another British invention since taken over by foreigners, and of course, in the second attempt, Germany did knock out France in a matter of weeks.

    There were just 21 years between The War to End All Wars and the Second World War. A shorter time than between 9/11 and now, and everyone remembers where they were when they heard about that (for some values of everyone).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,035

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    This (phased array ultrasound full body scanner) is very cool, and seems to be entirely valid technically.
    Sell your shares in MRI manufacturers.

    amazing new medical tech from Midjourney

    "This is a new kind of infrastructure. It’s Full Body Ultrasonic Computational Tomography. No such device has ever been built until now, and yeah, we’re calling it the Midjourney Scanner."

    "Less than a dozen of these machines operating together at full speed can do more full body scans than every MRI machine together on Earth. Our goal is to build a fleet of 50,000 of these scanners, capable together of doing a billion scans a month—enough to bring full body imaging to everyone on Earth."

    https://x.com/Dr_Singularity/status/2067459556809064863

    I will wait and see an actual machine because to me this is Midjourney trying to find a purpose and accidentally creating Theranos mark 2
    Yes. As someone who works in a related field, I'm sceptical. While slickly presented, Midjourney are making a lot of bold claims, and supplying very little evidence. The images they have released are Al-buffed images of phantoms - they haven't shown an image of a human. So far they have scanned "about a dozen" people.

    The CEO statements are dripping in qualifiers and weasel words e.g. "aims for image quality comparable to MRI in many ways", which could mean pretty much anything. They are calling the machine "Ultrasonic CT" which is misleading, as it is an ultrasound machine (CT is generally used as a shorthand for X-ray computed tomography).

    From this alpha level prototype, they think they can produce 50,000 machines in 5 years. That's in the region of the entire existing global install base of MRI scanners.
    With all these things there is a need to wait and see.

    The tendancy to "Fake It Till You make It!" particular in the US has become a real problem.

    Whether it be Oxycontin, Theranos or even SpaceX and the Startship or Tesla's Robo Taxi, hyping a product to attract investors has almost become the norm, everybody ploughing in to the next big thing in the hope of Crypto type gains.

    My favourite is Asteroid Mining...

    They talk about the trillions in platinum in Asteroids but that assumes that when you bring that much to earth the price won't collapse ! Of course when supply outstrips demand the most expensive producers go bust...which of course would be the Asteroid Miners.

    Great way to raise money from those who dream of getting rich quick, but not if they have the brains to spot the obvious flaw!

    Peter.
    This is something quite likely to happen in the next couple of years.
    Asteroid mining is quite another matter.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,968

    Just on Versailles: WWI started as it did partly due to Germany thinking they could rapidly knock out France after absolutely crushing them in the Franco-Prussian war about four decades earlier.

    However, time (and tech) had moved on dramatically. Thank goodness we can draw on such lessons and not waste billions on tanks instead of drones.

    At the start of ww1 there were no tanks, another British invention since taken over by foreigners, and of course, in the second attempt, Germany did knock out France in a matter of weeks.

    There were just 21 years between The War to End All Wars and the Second World War. A shorter time than between 9/11 and now, and everyone remembers where they were when they heard about that (for some values of everyone).
    Tanks weren't the only change, in new and expanded use of technology, though. Rail and machine guns spring to mind. The French had some early types of machine gun in very limited numbers in the Franco-Prussian War, for example.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,499

    What do we think of the word 'semiquincentennial'?

    It just feels wrong and ugly to me.

    Is that from the German?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,029

    Pulpstar said:

    I think Burnham will win and then go on to get the crown tbh.

    Will his popularity survive contact with the throne though ?

    Yes, yes, no.
    Question is- then what?

    We could keep pinballing from Great New Hope to Great New Hope for a very long time.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,576

    Nigelb said:

    Trump favourably compares the president of Syria with Netanyahu (whom he also called "very much the junior partner"0.

    “The president of #Syria. He’s done a tremendous job… He’d love to go in [to #Lebanon]… he wouldn’t knock down buildings every time he hears there’s someone there, he’d just go in with precision.”..
    https://x.com/Charles_Lister/status/2067311287126647194

    Of course this is (even for someone like me who thinks Julani/Ahmed al-Sharaa is, on balance, probably now a force for stability in Syria) objectively insane. But it shows which way Trump is leaning.

    Bib has joined the Pantheon of those who Trump feels have personally betrayed him. Quite difficult to come back from that. Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke.
    Haven't found the Tweet but some MAGA influencers want Trump to bomb Israel if Bibi betrays Trump over the Iran deal.
    And their doppelgängers in Israel are raging about Trump's 'betrayal'. Time for Israel to go it alone and perhaps bust out one of their nuclear weapons (which they may or may not possess) in a relatively uninhabited area is some of what I've read.
    If there is ever any point in Israel having nuclear weapons, it is to use them destroying their nemesis before thei nemesis can get them and use them against Israel.

    Expect Israel to threaten Iran with nuclear destruction if they consider they are close to making a bomb.

    Meanwhile, Iran has new-found economic clout (plus it took on and beat Israel and the US combined). Why do they need a bomb?
    Iran's 'economic clout' is the ability to restrict oil flows through Hormuz while simultaneously having its own oil flows restricted.

    A mutually assured destruction of oil flows.

    Iran needed a fake agreement and the oil flowing again as much as Trump did.

    Meanwhile the Arabs are building new pipelines to bypass Hormuz at which point Iran's half of the oil flows MAD becomes much feebler.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,549

    Nigelb said:

    Trump favourably compares the president of Syria with Netanyahu (whom he also called "very much the junior partner"0.

    “The president of #Syria. He’s done a tremendous job… He’d love to go in [to #Lebanon]… he wouldn’t knock down buildings every time he hears there’s someone there, he’d just go in with precision.”..
    https://x.com/Charles_Lister/status/2067311287126647194

    Of course this is (even for someone like me who thinks Julani/Ahmed al-Sharaa is, on balance, probably now a force for stability in Syria) objectively insane. But it shows which way Trump is leaning.

    Bib has joined the Pantheon of those who Trump feels have personally betrayed him. Quite difficult to come back from that. Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke.
    When thieves fall out
  • MoanRMoanR Posts: 26
    Off topic.
    I read PB most days. It’s been ages since I have commented on PB. However:
    @Luckyguy1983 recently commented that:
    “Burnham's 'clean air zone' in Manchester is a black spot on his reputation.”
    Can I ask @Luckyguy1983 what is wrong with trying to improve air quality?
    Air pollution caused by vehicle emissions is a disaster for asthmatics and people with respiratory illness.
    Does anyone remember Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah?
    Google summary. “The case of Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah stands as a pivotal example of how vehicle pollution can lead to asthma-related deaths. Ella, a nine-year-old girl, tragically passed away due to asthma exacerbations caused by air pollution from road traffic. Her inquest revealed that air pollution, particularly from traffic emissions, was a significant contributory factor to her asthma and death.”
    I am hugely in favour of low emission zones and attempts to improve air quality. (Wife and I have an EV.)
    I have taken asthma medication for almost all of my life, but I don’t have the most serious type. I have only been hospitalised once and that was about 45 years ago.
    According to google there are about four asthma deaths in the UK each day.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,549
    Cicero said:

    eek said:

    Given that Trump signed the Iranian peace agreement last night in Versailles - I give you this cartoon




    So based on this analogy, the US is Germany and we should be expecting their version of Hitler to rise to power in the 2030s?
    In this case the Murican version of "quite right wing" is already in power.

    History very rarely repeats exactly (and if it does it is first as tragedy and then as farce), it mostly just rhymes.
    they did it back to front
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,684

    The history book on the shelf
    Is always repeating itself...

    My my.
    Whooo-ooah !
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,384
    I like to mock archeologists as the make extravagant claims about civilizations based on tiny pottery shards but this is a stretch.

    https://bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyxw8550y8o

    "Simpler, older version of Stonehenge found three miles from famous site"

    "Archaeologists believe they have discovered an earlier, much simpler version of Stonehenge about 3 miles (5km) away from the prehistoric monument.

    All that remains of the older structure is two holes in the ground, but the team says they held wooden posts that lined up with the Sun on the summer and winter solstices - the longest and shortest days of the year - in the same way as Stonehenge."

    Extrapolate much?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,549

    FF43 said:

    Lovely MAGA take. These are the people Farage and Badenoch want us to align to.

    There is a MUCH stronger case to be made for invading the UK, toppling its tyrannical government, and liberating its people than for pretty much any regime change war (to include Iran) over the past 30 years.

    https://x.com/MattWalshBlog/status/2067278942545859067#m

    Given there was pretty much no case for regeme change in any of these countries, loathsome as those regeme were, this really isn't saying much.

    Oh and that is before we get to the fact that Trump seems happy to deal with any loathsome regeme.... Once they switch the top man!

    Peter.
    Spelling Peter, 1/10, it is regime
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,549

    🟢NEW: Zack Polanski has suggested he did not pay council tax while living on a narrowboat because of living arrangements resulting from “financial hardship”

    In a witness statement to the Greater London Authority (GLA), the Green Party leader also admitted that he should have taken “greater care” over his tax arrangements while living on the vessel in an east London marina

    City Hall has decided not to launch an investigation into Polanski's council tax arrangements

    The monitoring officer said that the matter related to "private circumstances" rather the Polanski's role as a London Assembly member

    They said the decision "does not make any finding on the merits of the underlying concerns”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/06/18/zack-polanski-financial-hardship-council-tax-green-party-uk/

    Morning all! Let us hope that this time tomorrow Restore and Reform are tearing at each other and Burnham is on (yet another) train to London!

    Just for interest, but do London Assembly members get paid?
    The Mayor’s salary is £170,282. The salary of an Assembly Member is currently £66,390 per year, except for the Statutory Deputy Mayor which is £118,124 and the Chair of the Assembly which is £79,617.

    https://www.london.gov.uk/who-we-are/governance-and-spending/spending-money-wisely/salaries-expenses-benefits-and-workforce-information
    Always good supping at the public trough
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,592

    Nigelb said:

    Trump favourably compares the president of Syria with Netanyahu (whom he also called "very much the junior partner"0.

    “The president of #Syria. He’s done a tremendous job… He’d love to go in [to #Lebanon]… he wouldn’t knock down buildings every time he hears there’s someone there, he’d just go in with precision.”..
    https://x.com/Charles_Lister/status/2067311287126647194

    Of course this is (even for someone like me who thinks Julani/Ahmed al-Sharaa is, on balance, probably now a force for stability in Syria) objectively insane. But it shows which way Trump is leaning.

    Bib has joined the Pantheon of those who Trump feels have personally betrayed him. Quite difficult to come back from that. Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke.
    Haven't found the Tweet but some MAGA influencers want Trump to bomb Israel if Bibi betrays Trump over the Iran deal.
    And their doppelgängers in Israel are raging about Trump's 'betrayal'. Time for Israel to go it alone and perhaps bust out one of their nuclear weapons (which they may or may not possess) in a relatively uninhabited area is some of what I've read.
    If there is ever any point in Israel having nuclear weapons, it is to use them destroying their nemesis before thei nemesis can get them and use them against Israel.

    Expect Israel to threaten Iran with nuclear destruction if they consider they are close to making a bomb.

    Meanwhile, Iran has new-found economic clout (plus it took on and beat Israel and the US combined). Why do they need a bomb?
    Iran's 'economic clout' is the ability to restrict oil flows through Hormuz while simultaneously having its own oil flows restricted.

    A mutually assured destruction of oil flows.

    Iran needed a fake agreement and the oil flowing again as much as Trump did.

    Meanwhile the Arabs are building new pipelines to bypass Hormuz at which point Iran's half of the oil flows MAD becomes much feebler.
    People keep saying that pipelines will stiff Iran but Ukraine has shown pipelines can be destroyed and Ukraine, Iran and indeed the United States have shown that oil infrastructure is vulnerable.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,549

    Happy King is Crowned Farage has already peaked day to all on PB

    Have £100 treble at boosted odds of almost 6/4 on KoN/SNP/SNP from a few weeks ago so hopeful for that too

    Easy money
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,188
    FF43 said:

    Lovely MAGA take. These are the people Farage and Badenoch want us to align to.

    There is a MUCH stronger case to be made for invading the UK, toppling its tyrannical government, and liberating its people than for pretty much any regime change war (to include Iran) over the past 30 years.

    https://x.com/MattWalshBlog/status/2067278942545859067#m

    Why won’t Farage and Badenoch stand up for Britain?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,592
    MoanR said:

    Off topic.
    I read PB most days. It’s been ages since I have commented on PB. However:
    @Luckyguy1983 recently commented that:
    “Burnham's 'clean air zone' in Manchester is a black spot on his reputation.”
    Can I ask @Luckyguy1983 what is wrong with trying to improve air quality?
    Air pollution caused by vehicle emissions is a disaster for asthmatics and people with respiratory illness.
    Does anyone remember Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah?
    Google summary. “The case of Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah stands as a pivotal example of how vehicle pollution can lead to asthma-related deaths. Ella, a nine-year-old girl, tragically passed away due to asthma exacerbations caused by air pollution from road traffic. Her inquest revealed that air pollution, particularly from traffic emissions, was a significant contributory factor to her asthma and death.”
    I am hugely in favour of low emission zones and attempts to improve air quality. (Wife and I have an EV.)
    I have taken asthma medication for almost all of my life, but I don’t have the most serious type. I have only been hospitalised once and that was about 45 years ago.
    According to google there are about four asthma deaths in the UK each day.

    You have missed the point. Burnham caved on Manchester's clean air zone.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,929
    In pre-internet days, magazines like "Time Out" and "What's On" listed all the films and theatre plays in London in a given week. But those magazines no longer exist. There is a website that acts as a substitute for theatre plays, but there doesn't seem to be one for films. Can anyone suggest such a website?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,071
    Are we still in purdah?

    The betting graph for Makerfield looks remarkably similar to that of the Brexit Referendum almost ten years ago, and we all know what happened there.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,592

    Are we still in purdah?

    The betting graph for Makerfield looks remarkably similar to that of the Brexit Referendum almost ten years ago, and we all know what happened there.

    A former Mayor became Prime Minister.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,356
    edited 10:08AM
    viewcode said:

    In pre-internet days, magazines like "Time Out" and "What's On" listed all the films and theatre plays in London in a given week. But those magazines no longer exist. There is a website that acts as a substitute for theatre plays, but there doesn't seem to be one for films. Can anyone suggest such a website?

    Google "[film name] showtimes". Gets you a google-formatted page for all cinemas and dates.

    Doesn't seem to trigger on just the film name, and "showtimes" sounds American, so it's not so well-known...
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 150
    malcolmg said:

    FF43 said:

    Lovely MAGA take. These are the people Farage and Badenoch want us to align to.

    There is a MUCH stronger case to be made for invading the UK, toppling its tyrannical government, and liberating its people than for pretty much any regime change war (to include Iran) over the past 30 years.

    https://x.com/MattWalshBlog/status/2067278942545859067#m

    Given there was pretty much no case for regeme change in any of these countries, loathsome as those regeme were, this really isn't saying much.

    Oh and that is before we get to the fact that Trump seems happy to deal with any loathsome regeme.... Once they switch the top man!

    Peter.
    Spelling Peter, 1/10, it is regime
    Not in Scots iy isnae!

    Peter.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,906
    Moscow skyline’s a bit dark at this time of year. They really should cut down on their carbon emissions.

    https://x.com/maria_drutska/status/2067499823192752174
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,459
    viewcode said:

    In pre-internet days, magazines like "Time Out" and "What's On" listed all the films and theatre plays in London in a given week. But those magazines no longer exist. There is a website that acts as a substitute for theatre plays, but there doesn't seem to be one for films. Can anyone suggest such a website?

    Haven't checked to see whether it is comprehensive.

    https://cinemaguide.co.uk/london
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,071

    Are we still in purdah?

    The betting graph for Makerfield looks remarkably similar to that of the Brexit Referendum almost ten years ago, and we all know what happened there.

    A former Mayor became Prime Minister.
    And how did that turn out?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,459
    Sandpit said:

    Moscow skyline’s a bit dark at this time of year. They really should cut down on their carbon emissions.

    https://x.com/maria_drutska/status/2067499823192752174

    Have they thought of introducing an Ultra-Low Emissions Zone?

    Apparently one of the expedients they have introduced is to allow fuel with a higher sulphur content to be sold, which will cause greater wear on modern engines, catalytic converters and the like, but I guess it means there's less repair work required to bring refineries back into use.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,459

    Are we still in purdah?

    The betting graph for Makerfield looks remarkably similar to that of the Brexit Referendum almost ten years ago, and we all know what happened there.

    A former Mayor became Prime Minister.
    And how did that turn out?
    Saw off Farage and the leader of the opposition.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,549

    malcolmg said:

    FF43 said:

    Lovely MAGA take. These are the people Farage and Badenoch want us to align to.

    There is a MUCH stronger case to be made for invading the UK, toppling its tyrannical government, and liberating its people than for pretty much any regime change war (to include Iran) over the past 30 years.

    https://x.com/MattWalshBlog/status/2067278942545859067#m

    Given there was pretty much no case for regeme change in any of these countries, loathsome as those regeme were, this really isn't saying much.

    Oh and that is before we get to the fact that Trump seems happy to deal with any loathsome regeme.... Once they switch the top man!

    Peter.
    Spelling Peter, 1/10, it is regime
    Not in Scots iy isnae!

    Peter.
    Did in my schooling :D you are at the fibbing
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,520

    viewcode said:

    In pre-internet days, magazines like "Time Out" and "What's On" listed all the films and theatre plays in London in a given week. But those magazines no longer exist. There is a website that acts as a substitute for theatre plays, but there doesn't seem to be one for films. Can anyone suggest such a website?

    Haven't checked to see whether it is comprehensive.

    https://cinemaguide.co.uk/london
    I'm fairly sure I have used that one in the past; it used to be reliable. Or view could just ask AI to tell him what films are on in London right now?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,858
    England shitting the bed here, dropped catches, Rew having a shocker with 22 byes.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,459
    Russian state TV claimed a massive fire in Moscow’s Kapotnya district was caused by falling drone debris, saying a coal storage site caught fire. The broadcast showed huge smoke plumes rising over the area following Ukraine’s large-scale strike wave.

    https://t.me/noel_reports/47977

    Russian State TV not using the video of the oil storage tank lid heading skyward.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,871

    England shitting the bed here, dropped catches, Rew having a shocker with 22 byes.

    Old, old story. We can't get the tail out. Game slipping from us now. Difficult for us to win if NZ get 350 +
  • Lol and I refer back to my comments yesterday: this is a poor England side.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,188

    MoanR said:

    Off topic.
    I read PB most days. It’s been ages since I have commented on PB. However:
    @Luckyguy1983 recently commented that:
    “Burnham's 'clean air zone' in Manchester is a black spot on his reputation.”
    Can I ask @Luckyguy1983 what is wrong with trying to improve air quality?
    Air pollution caused by vehicle emissions is a disaster for asthmatics and people with respiratory illness.
    Does anyone remember Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah?
    Google summary. “The case of Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah stands as a pivotal example of how vehicle pollution can lead to asthma-related deaths. Ella, a nine-year-old girl, tragically passed away due to asthma exacerbations caused by air pollution from road traffic. Her inquest revealed that air pollution, particularly from traffic emissions, was a significant contributory factor to her asthma and death.”
    I am hugely in favour of low emission zones and attempts to improve air quality. (Wife and I have an EV.)
    I have taken asthma medication for almost all of my life, but I don’t have the most serious type. I have only been hospitalised once and that was about 45 years ago.
    According to google there are about four asthma deaths in the UK each day.

    You have missed the point. Burnham caved on Manchester's clean air zone.
    Although he says he took other measures to reduce pollution.

    This BBC story covers most of it: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czrl2m16v13o
  • England shitting the bed here, dropped catches, Rew having a shocker with 22 byes.

    Old, old story. We can't get the tail out. Game slipping from us now. Difficult for us to win if NZ get 350 +
    Decent score at Oval is 350-400 odd from memory so NZ should get that comfortably
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,906

    Sandpit said:

    Moscow skyline’s a bit dark at this time of year. They really should cut down on their carbon emissions.

    https://x.com/maria_drutska/status/2067499823192752174

    Have they thought of introducing an Ultra-Low Emissions Zone?

    Apparently one of the expedients they have introduced is to allow fuel with a higher sulphur content to be sold, which will cause greater wear on modern engines, catalytic converters and the like, but I guess it means there's less repair work required to bring refineries back into use.
    Yes I saw that, they’re now starting to refine “Euro-3” petrol which hasn’t been sold for years.

    Great for the old Ladas, but if you have a Euro-6 emissions car you really don’t want to put that stuff anywhere near the engine.

    Whatever fuel they have, they’re now queues for it all over Moscow, and they’re rationing to 20 litres at most petrol stations.

    Apparently that Moscow refinery supplied more than half the city’s petrol, supplies Jet-A1 to two airports, and also supplies some exotic fuels to the Air Force.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,109
    edited 10:20AM
    Scott_xP said:
    Moscow as Mordor

    image
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,546
    Sandpit said:

    Moscow skyline’s a bit dark at this time of year. They really should cut down on their carbon emissions.

    https://x.com/maria_drutska/status/2067499823192752174

    As my gran would say, "It's a bit black over Bill's mother's..."
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,373

    Lol and I refer back to my comments yesterday: this is a poor England side.

    Poorest this milenium
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,373

    FF43 said:

    Lovely MAGA take. These are the people Farage and Badenoch want us to align to.

    There is a MUCH stronger case to be made for invading the UK, toppling its tyrannical government, and liberating its people than for pretty much any regime change war (to include Iran) over the past 30 years.

    https://x.com/MattWalshBlog/status/2067278942545859067#m

    Why won’t Farage and Badenoch stand up for Britain?
    Because they are weak and cowardly and entranced by the MAGA concept.

    Being rabidly anti European, not just EU if course just adds to their herecy.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,356

    Sandpit said:

    Moscow skyline’s a bit dark at this time of year. They really should cut down on their carbon emissions.

    https://x.com/maria_drutska/status/2067499823192752174

    As my gran would say, "It's a bit black over Bill's mother's..."
    Brummie term, that.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,817
    Pulpstar said:

    White supremacists with links to banned neo-Nazi groups are helping to fund Restore Britain.

    Rupert Lowe’s party could hold the balance of power in Thursday’s Makerfield by-election by splitting the Right-wing vote with Reform UK, clearing the way for Labour’s Andy Burnham to win.

    Some of Restore’s supporters are so openly racist that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, the far-Right activist detained last week under counter-terrorism laws, has questioned whether the party is too extreme.

    Yaxley-Lennon, who uses the alias Tommy Robinson, challenged Mr Lowe to ask whether black people would be allowed to stand as parliamentary candidates for the party, or whether their skin colour would rule them out. Robinson suggested they should be able to stand.


    Among Restore’s recent supporters is Steve Laws, who campaigns for “total remigration” of all non-white people. He posted on social media that he had donated to the party.

    Jared Taylor, an American banned from the UK because of his extreme racist views, has become a paid-up member.

    Other neo-fascists who have paid to join Restore include Sam Melia, who was jailed in 2024 for stirring up racial hatred, Sam Wilkes, a Nazi apologist, and Simon Birkett, who is buying up land for the benefit of “the British people”.

    Mr Laws, who has said he has “signed up and donated” to Restore Britain, describes himself as the founder of Remigration Now, which calls for the expulsion of every non-white and Jewish person from Britain.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/06/17/white-supremacists-fund-rupert-lowes-restore-party/

    Steve Laws regards Tommy Robinson as a wet liberal tbh.
    Right now, there is someone describing Steve Laws as a wet liberal.

    And someone describing them as a wet liberal.

    The pit is bottomless.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,817

    algarkirk said:

    White supremacists with links to banned neo-Nazi groups are helping to fund Restore Britain.

    Rupert Lowe’s party could hold the balance of power in Thursday’s Makerfield by-election by splitting the Right-wing vote with Reform UK, clearing the way for Labour’s Andy Burnham to win.

    Some of Restore’s supporters are so openly racist that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, the far-Right activist detained last week under counter-terrorism laws, has questioned whether the party is too extreme.

    Yaxley-Lennon, who uses the alias Tommy Robinson, challenged Mr Lowe to ask whether black people would be allowed to stand as parliamentary candidates for the party, or whether their skin colour would rule them out. Robinson suggested they should be able to stand.


    Among Restore’s recent supporters is Steve Laws, who campaigns for “total remigration” of all non-white people. He posted on social media that he had donated to the party.

    Jared Taylor, an American banned from the UK because of his extreme racist views, has become a paid-up member.

    Other neo-fascists who have paid to join Restore include Sam Melia, who was jailed in 2024 for stirring up racial hatred, Sam Wilkes, a Nazi apologist, and Simon Birkett, who is buying up land for the benefit of “the British people”.

    Mr Laws, who has said he has “signed up and donated” to Restore Britain, describes himself as the founder of Remigration Now, which calls for the expulsion of every non-white and Jewish person from Britain.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/06/17/white-supremacists-fund-rupert-lowes-restore-party/

    Is it reassuring, troubling, or just odd that Farage should start sounding like a wet liberal with a passion for the rule of law and a desire for peaceful integration?

    As to the unfolding of the monsters of the sleep of reason, will the Vikings wanting to expel the Saxons get their first, or will the Anglians wanting to expel the Picts beat them to it?

    I really like the phrase "monsters of the sleep of reason". If I knew what it meant I might steal it!
    #Justice4BeakerPeople
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,592

    MoanR said:

    Off topic.
    I read PB most days. It’s been ages since I have commented on PB. However:
    @Luckyguy1983 recently commented that:
    “Burnham's 'clean air zone' in Manchester is a black spot on his reputation.”
    Can I ask @Luckyguy1983 what is wrong with trying to improve air quality?
    Air pollution caused by vehicle emissions is a disaster for asthmatics and people with respiratory illness.
    Does anyone remember Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah?
    Google summary. “The case of Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah stands as a pivotal example of how vehicle pollution can lead to asthma-related deaths. Ella, a nine-year-old girl, tragically passed away due to asthma exacerbations caused by air pollution from road traffic. Her inquest revealed that air pollution, particularly from traffic emissions, was a significant contributory factor to her asthma and death.”
    I am hugely in favour of low emission zones and attempts to improve air quality. (Wife and I have an EV.)
    I have taken asthma medication for almost all of my life, but I don’t have the most serious type. I have only been hospitalised once and that was about 45 years ago.
    According to google there are about four asthma deaths in the UK each day.

    You have missed the point. Burnham caved on Manchester's clean air zone.
    Although he says he took other measures to reduce pollution.

    This BBC story covers most of it: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czrl2m16v13o
    From your link: [Burnham] also said the clean air zones signs, of which more than 1,300 were put up, could be repurposed for use by local councils and to advertise park and ride services.

    London has the better (also Labour) Mayor, clean air zones, electric and low-emission buses.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,373
    On topic

    Easy SNP win in Arbroath

    Comfortable SNP win in Aberdeen but reduced majority.

    In hindsight relatively comfortable Labour win on Manc land majority 3 to 4000
  • Why are they consistently bowling short???

    This didn’t work in Australia why are they trying it again?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,384

    England shitting the bed here, dropped catches, Rew having a shocker with 22 byes.

    Old, old story. We can't get the tail out. Game slipping from us now. Difficult for us to win if NZ get 350 +
    Its the second morning of a 5 day test. Wait until both sides have had a bat. This is NOT the same pitch as Lords.
  • CharlieSharkCharlieShark Posts: 469

    🟢NEW: Zack Polanski has suggested he did not pay council tax while living on a narrowboat because of living arrangements resulting from “financial hardship”

    In a witness statement to the Greater London Authority (GLA), the Green Party leader also admitted that he should have taken “greater care” over his tax arrangements while living on the vessel in an east London marina

    City Hall has decided not to launch an investigation into Polanski's council tax arrangements

    The monitoring officer said that the matter related to "private circumstances" rather the Polanski's role as a London Assembly member

    They said the decision "does not make any finding on the merits of the underlying concerns”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/06/18/zack-polanski-financial-hardship-council-tax-green-party-uk/

    Morning all! Let us hope that this time tomorrow Restore and Reform are tearing at each other and Burnham is on (yet another) train to London!

    Just for interest, but do London Assembly members get paid?
    The Mayor’s salary is £170,282. The salary of an Assembly Member is currently £66,390 per year, except for the Statutory Deputy Mayor which is £118,124 and the Chair of the Assembly which is £79,617.

    https://www.london.gov.uk/who-we-are/governance-and-spending/spending-money-wisely/salaries-expenses-benefits-and-workforce-information
    Polanski re-setting the poverty line at an income of £66,390. A grifter all day long. The coming Green party civil war should be fun.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,384
    Brixian59 said:

    Lol and I refer back to my comments yesterday: this is a poor England side.

    Poorest this milenium
    Bullshit. One win in 17 under Root before he quit.

    They won their last match comfortably.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,549

    Scott_xP said:
    Moscow as Mordor

    image
    Comeuppance is arriving fast
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,264
    Brixian59 said:

    On topic

    Easy SNP win in Arbroath

    Comfortable SNP win in Aberdeen but reduced majority.

    In hindsight relatively comfortable Labour win on Manc land majority 3 to 4000

    Will Starmer be resigning tomorrow?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,858
    GIN1138 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    On topic

    Easy SNP win in Arbroath

    Comfortable SNP win in Aberdeen but reduced majority.

    In hindsight relatively comfortable Labour win on Manc land majority 3 to 4000

    Will Starmer be resigning tomorrow?
    No.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,743

    Are we still in purdah?

    The betting graph for Makerfield looks remarkably similar to that of the Brexit Referendum almost ten years ago, and we all know what happened there.

    A former Mayor became Prime Minister.
    And how did that turn out?
    Won GE2019 with a landslide?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,459
    edited 10:36AM

    England shitting the bed here, dropped catches, Rew having a shocker with 22 byes.

    Old, old story. We can't get the tail out. Game slipping from us now. Difficult for us to win if NZ get 350 +
    If I've done my Statsguru query right England have been the fourth worst team at getting the tail out since the start of the 2022 season.

    But the difference doesn't look like it is as bad as you might have expected.
    (The difference was much larger and worse for England in the 90s, for example)
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,573

    Pulpstar said:

    I think Burnham will win and then go on to get the crown tbh.

    Will his popularity survive contact with the throne though ?

    Yes, yes, no.
    Question is- then what?

    We could keep pinballing from Great New Hope to Great New Hope for a very long time.
    I don't think there will be an opportunity to change leader again, it would look daft. And I think Burnham is a better politician than Starmer and so won't sink as low in the public's estimation.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,906

    Sandpit said:

    Moscow skyline’s a bit dark at this time of year. They really should cut down on their carbon emissions.

    https://x.com/maria_drutska/status/2067499823192752174

    As my gran would say, "It's a bit black over Bill's mother's..."
    Apparently the forecast wind and rain are about to take that cloud over the city centre, and dump oil rain on Red Square! Now that would be hellishly amusing!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,661
    carnforth said:

    Sandpit said:

    Moscow skyline’s a bit dark at this time of year. They really should cut down on their carbon emissions.

    https://x.com/maria_drutska/status/2067499823192752174

    As my gran would say, "It's a bit black over Bill's mother's..."
    Brummie term, that.
    Used in Wigan in the 70's. Was always dark not black.
  • CharlieSharkCharlieShark Posts: 469
    Predictions:

    Makerfield - Burnham wins by 10%+. Starmer, as always, lacking in self-awareness, digs in. Leadership battle awaits.
    Aberdeen - Cons win by 5%. Labour vote collapses.
    Abroath - Low turnout. SNP beat Reform by 3,000 votes.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,906

    🟢NEW: Zack Polanski has suggested he did not pay council tax while living on a narrowboat because of living arrangements resulting from “financial hardship”

    In a witness statement to the Greater London Authority (GLA), the Green Party leader also admitted that he should have taken “greater care” over his tax arrangements while living on the vessel in an east London marina

    City Hall has decided not to launch an investigation into Polanski's council tax arrangements

    The monitoring officer said that the matter related to "private circumstances" rather the Polanski's role as a London Assembly member

    They said the decision "does not make any finding on the merits of the underlying concerns”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/06/18/zack-polanski-financial-hardship-council-tax-green-party-uk/

    Morning all! Let us hope that this time tomorrow Restore and Reform are tearing at each other and Burnham is on (yet another) train to London!

    Just for interest, but do London Assembly members get paid?
    The Mayor’s salary is £170,282. The salary of an Assembly Member is currently £66,390 per year, except for the Statutory Deputy Mayor which is £118,124 and the Chair of the Assembly which is £79,617.

    https://www.london.gov.uk/who-we-are/governance-and-spending/spending-money-wisely/salaries-expenses-benefits-and-workforce-information
    Polanski re-setting the poverty line at an income of £66,390. A grifter all day long. The coming Green party civil war should be fun.
    At some point the LGBTQIA++ Pride people and the Islamic Hamas Supporters’ Club people are going to have a massive falling out.

    Whatever happened to the Hippy Environmentalist people who used to be in the Green Party?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,661
    Wordle in two!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,546
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Moscow skyline’s a bit dark at this time of year. They really should cut down on their carbon emissions.

    https://x.com/maria_drutska/status/2067499823192752174

    As my gran would say, "It's a bit black over Bill's mother's..."
    Apparently the forecast wind and rain are about to take that cloud over the city centre, and dump oil rain on Red Square! Now that would be hellishly amusing!
    The Ukrainians dropping shit all over Lenin!

    And St Basil's is going to need a serious clean. All those pretty colours going soot-black. Shame.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,661
    edited 10:42AM
    algarkirk said:
    Also says "despite the seat being considered one of Labour's safest..."
    No it isn't.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,817
    edited 10:45AM

    Pulpstar said:

    I think Burnham will win and then go on to get the crown tbh.

    Will his popularity survive contact with the throne though ?

    Yes, yes, no.
    Question is- then what?

    We could keep pinballing from Great New Hope to Great New Hope for a very long time.
    I don't think there will be an opportunity to change leader again, it would look daft. And I think Burnham is a better politician than Starmer and so won't sink as low in the public's estimation.
    Whether Burnham succeeds or fails as a potential PM comes down to coming up with policies that are

    1) workable
    2) don’t set Labour party supporters on fire
    3) sticking to them, so as not burning (ha!) his supporters who are sent out to defend them.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,546
    carnforth said:

    Sandpit said:

    Moscow skyline’s a bit dark at this time of year. They really should cut down on their carbon emissions.

    https://x.com/maria_drutska/status/2067499823192752174

    As my gran would say, "It's a bit black over Bill's mother's..."
    Brummie term, that.
    Spent all her life in Nottingham. So maybe Midlands....
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,097

    Pulpstar said:

    I think Burnham will win and then go on to get the crown tbh.

    Will his popularity survive contact with the throne though ?

    Yes, yes, no.
    Question is- then what?

    We could keep pinballing from Great New Hope to Great New Hope for a very long time.
    I don't think there will be an opportunity to change leader again, it would look daft. And I think Burnham is a better politician than Starmer and so won't sink as low in the public's estimation.
    Ruling events out because they would make politicians looks daft, seems, erm, well, quite brave actually.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,382
    edited 10:52AM

    Pulpstar said:

    I think Burnham will win and then go on to get the crown tbh.

    Will his popularity survive contact with the throne though ?

    Yes, yes, no.
    Question is- then what?

    We could keep pinballing from Great New Hope to Great New Hope for a very long time.
    I don't think there will be an opportunity to change leader again, it would look daft. And I think Burnham is a better politician than Starmer and so won't sink as low in the public's estimation.
    I think Burnham will get a decent honeymoon. There are several things in his favour:

    - I sense the media is fed up of crap leaders so will want to go along with this one, for a while
    - he's northern and chippy (what's more, a Scouser, the chippiest of all northern terroirs) and will play on that, turning criticisms of him into criticisms of the North by the London media mafia
    - he has the ability to bullshit relatively charismatically, unlike his last 2 PM predecessors
    - he will replace Reeves with a new chancellor, and even if that's Ed M (whom the right wing press hate but the country in general is meh) it'll represent a new start

    I give him an 18 month to 2 year honeymoon before a somewhat gentler decline towards the next election (which will generate a hung parliament and Lib-Lab coalition).

    EDIT: oh and he'll make a mild effort at back-chatting Trump, unlikely Starmer, which will earn him brownie points with the 75% of the country that's not MAGA
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,372

    🟢NEW: Zack Polanski has suggested he did not pay council tax while living on a narrowboat because of living arrangements resulting from “financial hardship”

    In a witness statement to the Greater London Authority (GLA), the Green Party leader also admitted that he should have taken “greater care” over his tax arrangements while living on the vessel in an east London marina

    City Hall has decided not to launch an investigation into Polanski's council tax arrangements

    The monitoring officer said that the matter related to "private circumstances" rather the Polanski's role as a London Assembly member

    They said the decision "does not make any finding on the merits of the underlying concerns”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/06/18/zack-polanski-financial-hardship-council-tax-green-party-uk/

    Morning all! Let us hope that this time tomorrow Restore and Reform are tearing at each other and Burnham is on (yet another) train to London!

    Just for interest, but do London Assembly members get paid?
    The Mayor’s salary is £170,282. The salary of an Assembly Member is currently £66,390 per year, except for the Statutory Deputy Mayor which is £118,124 and the Chair of the Assembly which is £79,617.

    https://www.london.gov.uk/who-we-are/governance-and-spending/spending-money-wisely/salaries-expenses-benefits-and-workforce-information
    Polanski re-setting the poverty line at an income of £66,390. A grifter all day long. The coming Green party civil war should be fun.
    I doubt it. No-one supports the Greens because they know or care about economics, finance or even simple mathematics.

    They do so to feel good about themselves. Just as people in the middle ages used to wear hairshirts.

    It's emotional, not rational or even vaguely realistic.
  • MelonB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I think Burnham will win and then go on to get the crown tbh.

    Will his popularity survive contact with the throne though ?

    Yes, yes, no.
    Question is- then what?

    We could keep pinballing from Great New Hope to Great New Hope for a very long time.
    I don't think there will be an opportunity to change leader again, it would look daft. And I think Burnham is a better politician than Starmer and so won't sink as low in the public's estimation.
    I think Burnham will get a decent honeymoon. There are several things in his favour:

    - I sense the media is fed up of crap leaders so will want to go along with this one, for a while
    - he's northern and chippy (what's more, a Scouser, the chippiest of all northern terroirs) and will play on that, turning criticisms of him into criticisms of the North by the London media mafia
    - he has the ability to bullshit relatively charismatically, unlike his last 2 PM predecessors
    - he will replace Reeves with a new chancellor, and even if that's Ed M (whom the right wing press hate but the country in general is meh) it'll represent a new start

    I give him an 18 month to 2 year honeymoon before a somewhat gentler decline towards the next election (which will generate a hung parliament and Lib-Lab coalition).
    I think this is where I am. Labour has to be value for most seats.

    I would add one other thing: Burnham seems to have genuine fans. The way some people talk about him isn’t anything I’ve really seen since Johnson. I wonder if that will keep the Red Wall with him for longer. As a contrast with Farage he’s a good choice.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,546
    algarkirk said:
    They also have a scary picture of Farage as a zombie....
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,499

    Lol and I refer back to my comments yesterday: this is a poor England side.

    Football by night, cricket by day.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,499

    Pulpstar said:

    I think Burnham will win and then go on to get the crown tbh.

    Will his popularity survive contact with the throne though ?

    Yes, yes, no.
    Question is- then what?

    We could keep pinballing from Great New Hope to Great New Hope for a very long time.
    I don't think there will be an opportunity to change leader again, it would look daft. And I think Burnham is a better politician than Starmer and so won't sink as low in the public's estimation.
    Labour will have broken through the barrier though and deposed a sitting PM. Once that's happened, they could do it again and again and ....
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