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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,073
    Taz said:

    The bastard who murdered little Preston has been given a full life sentence.

    Shouldn't Reform and their friends be demanding white school teachers are vilified across the nation?

    Or the banning of adoption by gay men?
    That might be quite a likely demand from a hard of thinking politician I would have thought.
    You’re politicising it, no one else
    That's my point. Not a whimper from Farage. Imagine if Varley had originated from Bangladesh.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,836
    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    Hasn't aged a bit in two years either.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,858
    edited 12:38PM
    Pulpstar said:

    Edit: Duplicate !

    Please God not Ed Miliband or Louise Haigh D:

    I still cannot believe people are putting forward Louise Haigh as Chancellor.

    1) She couldn't work at my firm as she'd fail the enhanced DBS check and CIFAS check.

    and

    2) It would blunt any attacks on Nigel Farage's probity.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,574

    Taz said:

    The bastard who murdered little Preston has been given a full life sentence.

    Shouldn't Reform and their friends be demanding white school teachers are vilified across the nation?

    Or the banning of adoption by gay men?
    That might be quite a likely demand from a hard of thinking politician I would have thought.
    You’re politicising it, no one else
    To be fair it was my suggestion of what Reform might say.
    Okay

    But that’s odd as you’re very much one of the rational people here. Deciding what Reform would say and condemning them for it is just odd.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,817

    The bastard who murdered little Preston has been given a full life sentence.

    Shouldn't Reform and their friends be demanding white school teachers are vilified across the nation?

    Or the banning of adoption by gay men?
    That might be quite a likely demand from a hard of thinking politician I would have thought.
    The bigger questions need to be asked at the hospital where he had several admissions in a very short space of time.
    I have looked in detail at the timeline and with hindsight it is easy to condemn. However the key potential error is the broken elbow on visit three. This seems highly problematic. Lady Brook is not happy. I believe she has lots of questions of medical and social worker staff.

    Varley's evil and graphic sexual abuse is beyond contempt. I don't believe a general extrapolation should be made because Varley was either, white, male, a teacher or gay.
    I will guess that it will turn out like Baby P.

    Multiple people raised the alarm, but were ignored or actively silenced for being inconvenient to their managers. For internal politics, not some woke agenda.

    Learns Will Be Learnt.
    The ghosts of Ed Balls and Sharon Shoesmith's careers are waving. Sharon Shoesmith from a lovely retirement property purchased courtesy of Ed Balls and the UK Government.
    There are those that say the sacking was a combination of performative populism and setting up a big pay day. So that Shoesmith would go away quietly.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,373
    Pulpstar said:

    Unfashionable opinion: I don't think it's politically viable but the best thing Burnham could do economically (Particularly for gilt rates) once he's PM is keep Reeves on at CoE.

    I totally agree

    She's made political errors on WFA

    What she has got is the confidence of the markets and had it not for Iran and Trump and Israel shed be well on way to inflation target and growth.

    Even either Iran indicators as yet as far better than many right wing media ghouls have predicted.

    The ridiculous Rachel from Accounts crap totally fabricate her true economic ability and background.

    I'd give her 12 months at least.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,075
    Pulpstar said:

    Unfashionable opinion: I don't think it's politically viable but the best thing Burnham could do economically (Particularly for gilt rates) once he's PM is keep Reeves on at CoE.

    The last thing he should do is meddle with the Church of England.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,073
    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,574
    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    He’s plugging a decent beer too
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,836


    Reform have a weird obsession with the gays.

    So does virtually every Muslim-majority nation.

    #justsayin'
    Yes, Reform should recognise just how much they have in common.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,373
    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    Fucking prick

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,546
    edited 12:40PM
    Today's image from the garden above Imperia, Liguria is a Scarce Swallowtail butterfly.

    Enjoy.


  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,817

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,073

    The bastard who murdered little Preston has been given a full life sentence.

    Shouldn't Reform and their friends be demanding white school teachers are vilified across the nation?

    Or the banning of adoption by gay men?
    That might be quite a likely demand from a hard of thinking politician I would have thought.
    The bigger questions need to be asked at the hospital where he had several admissions in a very short space of time.
    I have looked in detail at the timeline and with hindsight it is easy to condemn. However the key potential error is the broken elbow on visit three. This seems highly problematic. Lady Brook is not happy. I believe she has lots of questions of medical and social worker staff.

    Varley's evil and graphic sexual abuse is beyond contempt. I don't believe a general extrapolation should be made because Varley was either, white, male, a teacher or gay.
    I will guess that it will turn out like Baby P.

    Multiple people raised the alarm, but were ignored or actively silenced for being inconvenient to their managers. For internal politics, not some woke agenda.

    Learns Will Be Learnt.
    The ghosts of Ed Balls and Sharon Shoesmith's careers are waving. Sharon Shoesmith from a lovely retirement property purchased courtesy of Ed Balls and the UK Government.
    There are those that say the sacking was a combination of performative populism and setting up a big pay day. So that Shoesmith would go away quietly.
    Undoubtedly "performative populism".
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,817

    Pulpstar said:

    Unfashionable opinion: I don't think it's politically viable but the best thing Burnham could do economically (Particularly for gilt rates) once he's PM is keep Reeves on at CoE.

    The last thing he should do is meddle with the Church of England.
    Paula Vennells has entered the chat..
  • eekeek Posts: 34,069

    Pulpstar said:

    Edit: Duplicate !

    Please God not Ed Miliband or Louise Haigh D:

    I still cannot believe people are putting forward Louise Haigh as Chancellor.

    1) She couldn't work at my firm as she'd failed the enhanced DBS check and CIFAS check.

    and

    2) It would blunt any attacks on Nigel Farag's probity.
    Given the work she's putting in to make Burnham PM she has to be slotted in somewhere though doesn't she.

    And so where do you put her?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,574

    The bastard who murdered little Preston has been given a full life sentence.

    Shouldn't Reform and their friends be demanding white school teachers are vilified across the nation?

    Or the banning of adoption by gay men?
    That might be quite a likely demand from a hard of thinking politician I would have thought.
    The bigger questions need to be asked at the hospital where he had several admissions in a very short space of time.
    I have looked in detail at the timeline and with hindsight it is easy to condemn. However the key potential error is the broken elbow on visit three. This seems highly problematic. Lady Brook is not happy. I believe she has lots of questions of medical and social worker staff.

    Varley's evil and graphic sexual abuse is beyond contempt. I don't believe a general extrapolation should be made because Varley was either, white, male, a teacher or gay.
    I will guess that it will turn out like Baby P.

    Multiple people raised the alarm, but were ignored or actively silenced for being inconvenient to their managers. For internal politics, not some woke agenda.

    Learns Will Be Learnt.
    The ghosts of Ed Balls and Sharon Shoesmith's careers are waving. Sharon Shoesmith from a lovely retirement property purchased courtesy of Ed Balls and the UK Government.
    Ed Balls is doing very well for himself right now. His career is up up up the ziggurat, lickety split
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,073
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    The bastard who murdered little Preston has been given a full life sentence.

    Shouldn't Reform and their friends be demanding white school teachers are vilified across the nation?

    Or the banning of adoption by gay men?
    That might be quite a likely demand from a hard of thinking politician I would have thought.
    You’re politicising it, no one else
    To be fair it was my suggestion of what Reform might say.
    Okay

    But that’s odd as you’re very much one of the rational people here. Deciding what Reform would say and condemning them for it is just odd.
    FFS. My beef is not what Reform have said here, but what they have not said.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,836
    edited 12:42PM

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    It's not Spanish, despite the name. It's brewed in Burton on Trent.

    Also, total piss btw.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,035
    No strings attach to the £5m bung.

    Farage trying to block ‘Britcoin’ plans that could be costly for billionaire donor
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/18/nigel-farage-trying-block-britcoin-crypto-plans-bank-of-england-christopher-harborne
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,380
    edited 12:44PM

    MoanR said:

    Off topic.
    I read PB most days. It’s been ages since I have commented on PB. However:
    @Luckyguy1983 recently commented that:
    “Burnham's 'clean air zone' in Manchester is a black spot on his reputation.”
    Can I ask @Luckyguy1983 what is wrong with trying to improve air quality?
    Air pollution caused by vehicle emissions is a disaster for asthmatics and people with respiratory illness.
    Does anyone remember Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah?
    Google summary. “The case of Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah stands as a pivotal example of how vehicle pollution can lead to asthma-related deaths. Ella, a nine-year-old girl, tragically passed away due to asthma exacerbations caused by air pollution from road traffic. Her inquest revealed that air pollution, particularly from traffic emissions, was a significant contributory factor to her asthma and death.”
    I am hugely in favour of low emission zones and attempts to improve air quality. (Wife and I have an EV.)
    I have taken asthma medication for almost all of my life, but I don’t have the most serious type. I have only been hospitalised once and that was about 45 years ago.
    According to google there are about four asthma deaths in the UK each day.

    You have missed the point. Burnham caved on Manchester's clean air zone.
    He has missed the point, and so have you.

    The clean air zone has come up as a negative (trying to implement it, not caving on it, which shows wisdom if not courage), one of not very many, on the doorsteps of Makerfield. That prepares the ground for Burnham to be portrayed as on the side of green zealotry.

    As for Moanrs post, it is dreadfully sad that the young girl died, but she died from asthma. If someone's asthmatic condition means that them being in an area of high road traffic aggravates their condition to a potentially lethal extent, their parents, assisted where possible by the State, should move them somewhere different. The whole city cannot be turned on its axis because of one person's health needs - that is absurd. It is an even more perverse version of locking everyone up to protect the old and unfit during Covid. And it happens for similar reason - giving national power to single interest campaigns and quangos, who can then introduce wreak damaging economic and social havoc on everyone to pursue their single issue goal with no consideration for the wider implications.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,546
    Nigelb said:

    No strings attach to the £5m bung.

    Farage trying to block ‘Britcoin’ plans that could be costly for billionaire donor
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/18/nigel-farage-trying-block-britcoin-crypto-plans-bank-of-england-christopher-harborne

    Prick.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,817

    The bastard who murdered little Preston has been given a full life sentence.

    Shouldn't Reform and their friends be demanding white school teachers are vilified across the nation?

    Or the banning of adoption by gay men?
    That might be quite a likely demand from a hard of thinking politician I would have thought.
    The bigger questions need to be asked at the hospital where he had several admissions in a very short space of time.
    I have looked in detail at the timeline and with hindsight it is easy to condemn. However the key potential error is the broken elbow on visit three. This seems highly problematic. Lady Brook is not happy. I believe she has lots of questions of medical and social worker staff.

    Varley's evil and graphic sexual abuse is beyond contempt. I don't believe a general extrapolation should be made because Varley was either, white, male, a teacher or gay.
    I will guess that it will turn out like Baby P.

    Multiple people raised the alarm, but were ignored or actively silenced for being inconvenient to their managers. For internal politics, not some woke agenda.

    Learns Will Be Learnt.
    The ghosts of Ed Balls and Sharon Shoesmith's careers are waving. Sharon Shoesmith from a lovely retirement property purchased courtesy of Ed Balls and the UK Government.
    There are those that say the sacking was a combination of performative populism and setting up a big pay day. So that Shoesmith would go away quietly.
    Undoubtedly "performative populism".
    Another one was, after the rail crash, where the government (Brown & Balls) insisted that the new train signalling system start being implemented immediately.

    The new, replacement standard (Europe wide) which was much better was just months away from finalisation.

    So a considerable amount of work was done (on the old system) then ripped out without ever combing used.

    For extra fun, this actually delayed the final implantation of the new standard.
  • Once again. The clean air zone was Johnson’s idea.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,817

    MoanR said:

    Off topic.
    I read PB most days. It’s been ages since I have commented on PB. However:
    @Luckyguy1983 recently commented that:
    “Burnham's 'clean air zone' in Manchester is a black spot on his reputation.”
    Can I ask @Luckyguy1983 what is wrong with trying to improve air quality?
    Air pollution caused by vehicle emissions is a disaster for asthmatics and people with respiratory illness.
    Does anyone remember Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah?
    Google summary. “The case of Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah stands as a pivotal example of how vehicle pollution can lead to asthma-related deaths. Ella, a nine-year-old girl, tragically passed away due to asthma exacerbations caused by air pollution from road traffic. Her inquest revealed that air pollution, particularly from traffic emissions, was a significant contributory factor to her asthma and death.”
    I am hugely in favour of low emission zones and attempts to improve air quality. (Wife and I have an EV.)
    I have taken asthma medication for almost all of my life, but I don’t have the most serious type. I have only been hospitalised once and that was about 45 years ago.
    According to google there are about four asthma deaths in the UK each day.

    You have missed the point. Burnham caved on Manchester's clean air zone.
    He has missed the point, and so have you.

    The clean air zone has come up as a negative (trying to implement it, not caving on it, which shows wisdom if not courage), one of not very many, on the doorsteps of Makerfield. That prepares the ground for Burnham to be portrayed as on the side of green zealotry.

    As for Moanrs post, it is dreadfully sad that the young girl died, but she died from asthma. If someone's asthmatic condition means that them being in an area of high road traffic aggravates their condition to a potentially lethal extent, their parents, assisted where possible by the State, should move them somewhere different. The whole city cannot be turned on its axis because of one person's health needs - that is absurd. It is an even more perverse version of locking everyone up to protect the old and unfit during Covid. And it happens for similar reason - giving national power to single interest campaigns and quangos, who can then introduce deeply damaging economic and social havoc on everyone to pursue their single issue goal with no consideration for the wider implications.
    Incrementally increasing standards for the environment have been one of the great successes of the late 20th and earlier 21st century.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,373

    Tail wagging against England means one of two things (1) Its now a really good track - batting will be easy or (2) We are about to get rolled for 120...

    The joy of Bazball is we don't know which but we will by tea when NZ are batting again.

    Historically the Oval was the flattest of flat tracks for decades
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,373

    Tail wagging against England means one of two things (1) Its now a really good track - batting will be easy or (2) We are about to get rolled for 120...

    The joy of Bazball is we don't know which but we will by tea when NZ are batting again.

    Historically the Oval was the flattest of flat tracks for decades
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,147

    The bastard who murdered little Preston has been given a full life sentence.

    Shouldn't Reform and their friends be demanding white school teachers are vilified across the nation?

    Or the banning of adoption by gay men?
    That might be quite a likely demand from a hard of thinking politician I would have thought.
    The bigger questions need to be asked at the hospital where he had several admissions in a very short space of time.
    I have looked in detail at the timeline and with hindsight it is easy to condemn. However the key potential error is the broken elbow on visit three. This seems highly problematic. Lady Brook is not happy. I believe she has lots of questions of medical and social worker staff.

    Varley's evil and graphic sexual abuse is beyond contempt. I don't believe a general extrapolation should be made because Varley was either, white, male, a teacher or gay.
    I will guess that it will turn out like Baby P.

    Multiple people raised the alarm, but were ignored or actively silenced for being inconvenient to their managers. For internal politics, not some woke agenda.

    Learns Will Be Learnt.
    Managers Will Be Incompetent.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,385

    The bastard who murdered little Preston has been given a full life sentence.

    Shouldn't Reform and their friends be demanding white school teachers are vilified across the nation?

    Or the banning of adoption by gay men?
    That might be quite a likely demand from a hard of thinking politician I would have thought.
    The bigger questions need to be asked at the hospital where he had several admissions in a very short space of time.
    I have looked in detail at the timeline and with hindsight it is easy to condemn. However the key potential error is the broken elbow on visit three. This seems highly problematic. Lady Brook is not happy. I believe she has lots of questions of medical and social worker staff.

    Varley's evil and graphic sexual abuse is beyond contempt. I don't believe a general extrapolation should be made because Varley was either, white, male, a teacher or gay.
    Clearly not. But the failure to spot the warning signs will need to be looked at.

    My three year old has had a few instances taken to the local out of hours medical service (usually ear infections plus temperatures) and I worried every time about getting on the list as 'parents keep bringing child in'. When my son was a very small baby and we had the routine social worker visits on one occasion I said I was surprised that my son had not had a motion for a couple of days and I asked about this. The social worker gave me a look and asked why I was asking, with me getting the impression that she was suspicious that I had done something. I explained that he was my only child so it was all new to me.

    My nephew had his children removed by a children's court by an incompetent social worker after one visit to hospital

    As a result I cannot understand how this happened in this case.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,574

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    The bastard who murdered little Preston has been given a full life sentence.

    Shouldn't Reform and their friends be demanding white school teachers are vilified across the nation?

    Or the banning of adoption by gay men?
    That might be quite a likely demand from a hard of thinking politician I would have thought.
    You’re politicising it, no one else
    To be fair it was my suggestion of what Reform might say.
    Okay

    But that’s odd as you’re very much one of the rational people here. Deciding what Reform would say and condemning them for it is just odd.
    FFS. My beef is not what Reform have said here, but what they have not said.
    My comment was addressed to turbotubbs.

    But, clearly, the death of Preston Davey at the hands of a monster is something to condemn Reform over

  • Jim_the_LurkerJim_the_Lurker Posts: 329

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    The bastard who murdered little Preston has been given a full life sentence.

    Shouldn't Reform and their friends be demanding white school teachers are vilified across the nation?

    Or the banning of adoption by gay men?
    That might be quite a likely demand from a hard of thinking politician I would have thought.
    You’re politicising it, no one else
    To be fair it was my suggestion of what Reform might say.
    Okay

    But that’s odd as you’re very much one of the rational people here. Deciding what Reform would say and condemning them for it is just odd.
    FFS. My beef is not what Reform have said here, but what they have not said.

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    The bastard who murdered little Preston has been given a full life sentence.

    Shouldn't Reform and their friends be demanding white school teachers are vilified across the nation?

    Or the banning of adoption by gay men?
    That might be quite a likely demand from a hard of thinking politician I would have thought.
    You’re politicising it, no one else
    To be fair it was my suggestion of what Reform might say.
    Okay

    But that’s odd as you’re very much one of the rational people here. Deciding what Reform would say and condemning them for it is just odd.
    FFS. My beef is not what Reform have said here, but what they have not said.
    Oh I think we all know what test Reform et al use when deciding which crimes to care about.



  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,373

    Brixian59 said:

    Burnham’s biggest issue is going to be the lack of money.

    So what can he do that is effective but doesn’t cost much?

    Some ideas

    - Merge NI into Income tax - and *save* money. Genuinely.
    - Create internal consultancy within government. So IT and reorgs are done by PAYE civil servants rather than £xxxx per day outsiders.
    - Introduce regulatory cost provisions - if you (in a government department) make reactions more expensive for people/companies, a larger portion of your budget gets hypothecated to enforcement. Suddenly, £18 windows will look at lot less sexy.
    - Bigger fines for illegal employment, shared with the victims (the employees).
    - Break the “veil” of using contracting as a way of removing responsibility for employees. Looking at you, Deliveroo.
    Means test any universal benefit so that those with income over 200k don't get it

    Better still give everyone an opt out option.

    Sock of hearing rich people sneering they don't need this or that but doing feck all to redistribute it.
    Make all benefits taxable. Means testing tends to be inefficient, ineffective, mean and introduces lots of expensive problems.
    Good point, I could support that
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,574

    Nigelb said:

    No strings attach to the £5m bung.

    Farage trying to block ‘Britcoin’ plans that could be costly for billionaire donor
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/18/nigel-farage-trying-block-britcoin-crypto-plans-bank-of-england-christopher-harborne

    Prick.
    Is he still plugging that ‘freedom and fortune’ bollocks ?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,147
    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    Looks like an AI fake. That’s not Proper Job he’s drinking. Probably some watered down “bitter” like Greene King IPA.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,858
    eek said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Edit: Duplicate !

    Please God not Ed Miliband or Louise Haigh D:

    I still cannot believe people are putting forward Louise Haigh as Chancellor.

    1) She couldn't work at my firm as she'd failed the enhanced DBS check and CIFAS check.

    and

    2) It would blunt any attacks on Nigel Farag's probity.
    Given the work she's putting in to make Burnham PM she has to be slotted in somewhere though doesn't she.

    And so where do you put her?
    Make her Secretary of State for Wales or Northern Ireland.

    Or Ambassador to Afghanistan.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,461

    Joe Root is a world class batsman but an ordinary captain.

    Mike Brearley in reverse.

    Depressing to see him misuse Archer again - though why the selectors thought they could have a four-strong bowling attack on a good surface like the Oval, when one of the four is Archer, is mystifying.
    He bowled a lot yesterday after not much red ball cricket. Root also has other bowlers. It would not surprise me to hear that Archer (a) had a niggle, (b) was tired or (c) both. Its easy when listening/watching from the sidelines to be a better captain. In general, Root was praised for his captaincy yesterday.

    I suspect this is a belter of a pitch.
    Root should never have bowled Archer for so long yesterday, that's the point. Then he would more likely have been available to take the new ball this morning. Root did this consistently when he was captain, and it was a big reason why Archer had such bad injury problems.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,075

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    The bastard who murdered little Preston has been given a full life sentence.

    Shouldn't Reform and their friends be demanding white school teachers are vilified across the nation?

    Or the banning of adoption by gay men?
    That might be quite a likely demand from a hard of thinking politician I would have thought.
    You’re politicising it, no one else
    To be fair it was my suggestion of what Reform might say.
    Okay

    But that’s odd as you’re very much one of the rational people here. Deciding what Reform would say and condemning them for it is just odd.
    FFS. My beef is not what Reform have said here, but what they have not said.

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    The bastard who murdered little Preston has been given a full life sentence.

    Shouldn't Reform and their friends be demanding white school teachers are vilified across the nation?

    Or the banning of adoption by gay men?
    That might be quite a likely demand from a hard of thinking politician I would have thought.
    You’re politicising it, no one else
    To be fair it was my suggestion of what Reform might say.
    Okay

    But that’s odd as you’re very much one of the rational people here. Deciding what Reform would say and condemning them for it is just odd.
    FFS. My beef is not what Reform have said here, but what they have not said.
    Oh I think we all know what test Reform et al use when deciding which crimes to care about.



    Which side is more in favour of the death penalty for cases like this?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,574

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    Looks like an AI fake. That’s not Proper Job he’s drinking. Probably some watered down “bitter” like Greene King IPA.
    Vile stuff

    I’d sooner drink my neighbours cats urine
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,212

    MoanR said:

    Off topic.
    I read PB most days. It’s been ages since I have commented on PB. However:
    @Luckyguy1983 recently commented that:
    “Burnham's 'clean air zone' in Manchester is a black spot on his reputation.”
    Can I ask @Luckyguy1983 what is wrong with trying to improve air quality?
    Air pollution caused by vehicle emissions is a disaster for asthmatics and people with respiratory illness.
    Does anyone remember Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah?
    Google summary. “The case of Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah stands as a pivotal example of how vehicle pollution can lead to asthma-related deaths. Ella, a nine-year-old girl, tragically passed away due to asthma exacerbations caused by air pollution from road traffic. Her inquest revealed that air pollution, particularly from traffic emissions, was a significant contributory factor to her asthma and death.”
    I am hugely in favour of low emission zones and attempts to improve air quality. (Wife and I have an EV.)
    I have taken asthma medication for almost all of my life, but I don’t have the most serious type. I have only been hospitalised once and that was about 45 years ago.
    According to google there are about four asthma deaths in the UK each day.

    You have missed the point. Burnham caved on Manchester's clean air zone.
    He has missed the point, and so have you.

    The clean air zone has come up as a negative (trying to implement it, not caving on it, which shows wisdom if not courage), one of not very many, on the doorsteps of Makerfield. That prepares the ground for Burnham to be portrayed as on the side of green zealotry.

    As for Moanrs post, it is dreadfully sad that the young girl died, but she died from asthma. If someone's asthmatic condition means that them being in an area of high road traffic aggravates their condition to a potentially lethal extent, their parents, assisted where possible by the State, should move them somewhere different. The whole city cannot be turned on its axis because of one person's health needs - that is absurd. It is an even more perverse version of locking everyone up to protect the old and unfit during Covid. And it happens for similar reason - giving national power to single interest campaigns and quangos, who can then introduce deeply damaging economic and social havoc on everyone to pursue their single issue goal with no consideration for the wider implications.
    Incrementally increasing standards for the environment have been one of the great successes of the late 20th and earlier 21st century.
    @LG83 is distraught that he was too late for his dream career as a coal mine canary.

    Sadly for him electrification of transport means that improvements in air quality are inevitable
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,101
    Selebian said:

    algarkirk said:

    FPT

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    Good luck to Andy Burnham today.

    We need somebody who can take on Reform and prevent them getting power.

    Starmer is clearly not up to that task.

    You reckon Burnham is ?

    I hope he is but I just think he’s a more charismatic version of Starmer.
    I don't think he's up to it. But Starmer has got to go.
    Starmer is herpes.

    Burnham is syphilis.

    You don't really want either, but if you have to choose...
    A mantra in my life is that there is a cure for syphilis but there's no cure for regret.
    That cheery Christian existentialist Kierkegaard points out that there is no cure for regret because the moment we make a choice we wonder for all time what would have been if we had made the other one. Robert Frost puts it best:


    Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
    And sorry I could not travel both
    And be one traveler, long I stood
    And looked down one as far as I could
    To where it bent in the undergrowth;


    https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44272/the-road-not-taken
    That's a funny one for me - I can spend ages agonising over a choice and change my mind at the last moment. But once the decision is made it's not something I revisit or feel regret over. My wife really bugs me on this sometimes: "we should have..." or "if only...", but even with hindsight, you can never really know how those other paths would have turned out.

    I'm sure I've made plenty of bad decisions. My life doesn't look like a straight path from A to B, much more like someone blundering around without a map. But I'm happy where I've ended up and changing any of those decisions would put me somewhere else (and quite possibly I'd never have met my wife - our paths only crossed briefly, possibly due to some of my bad decisions).
    The Midnight Library by Matt Haig sets this out quite brilliantly.

    Or, as Seneca put it somewhat earlier:
    “It is in no man’s power to have whatever he wants, but he has it in his power not to wish for what he hasn’t got, and cheerfully make the most of the things that do come his way.”
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,817

    The bastard who murdered little Preston has been given a full life sentence.

    Shouldn't Reform and their friends be demanding white school teachers are vilified across the nation?

    Or the banning of adoption by gay men?
    That might be quite a likely demand from a hard of thinking politician I would have thought.
    The bigger questions need to be asked at the hospital where he had several admissions in a very short space of time.
    I have looked in detail at the timeline and with hindsight it is easy to condemn. However the key potential error is the broken elbow on visit three. This seems highly problematic. Lady Brook is not happy. I believe she has lots of questions of medical and social worker staff.

    Varley's evil and graphic sexual abuse is beyond contempt. I don't believe a general extrapolation should be made because Varley was either, white, male, a teacher or gay.
    Clearly not. But the failure to spot the warning signs will need to be looked at.

    My three year old has had a few instances taken to the local out of hours medical service (usually ear infections plus temperatures) and I worried every time about getting on the list as 'parents keep bringing child in'. When my son was a very small baby and we had the routine social worker visits on one occasion I said I was surprised that my son had not had a motion for a couple of days and I asked about this. The social worker gave me a look and asked why I was asking, with me getting the impression that she was suspicious that I had done something. I explained that he was my only child so it was all new to me.

    My nephew had his children removed by a children's court by an incompetent social worker after one visit to hospital

    As a result I cannot understand how this happened in this case.
    In the case of baby P, Shoesmith was obsessed with punishing someone for child abuse.

    The person in question was a young social worker who, after a tirade of abuse from a teenager, shouted back. Once.

    A big, fat file was opened on this terrible case.

    At the same time, the warnings from the same young social worker that baby P was being gradually battered to death, over months, were ignored.

    Same shit, different arseholes.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,385

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,035

    Nigelb said:

    No strings attach to the £5m bung.

    Farage trying to block ‘Britcoin’ plans that could be costly for billionaire donor
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/18/nigel-farage-trying-block-britcoin-crypto-plans-bank-of-england-christopher-harborne

    Prick.
    I hope you're referring to ... Nigel ?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,385
    Brixian59 said:

    Tail wagging against England means one of two things (1) Its now a really good track - batting will be easy or (2) We are about to get rolled for 120...

    The joy of Bazball is we don't know which but we will by tea when NZ are batting again.

    Historically the Oval was the flattest of flat tracks for decades
    Always used to be the final test of summer. In the glory days when we had long hot summers and the pitch would start to break up on day 4, and Phil Tufnell would spin the Aussies out.

    I played for Kenilworth during my PhD at Warwick and I will never forget that Tufnell game (we'd finished and were all watching on TV...)
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,574

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.
    Madri is a top quality Spanish beer, known for its authentic Spanish flavour, brewed in the uk on
    Licence

    It’s the spirit of Madrid
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,380

    MoanR said:

    Off topic.
    I read PB most days. It’s been ages since I have commented on PB. However:
    @Luckyguy1983 recently commented that:
    “Burnham's 'clean air zone' in Manchester is a black spot on his reputation.”
    Can I ask @Luckyguy1983 what is wrong with trying to improve air quality?
    Air pollution caused by vehicle emissions is a disaster for asthmatics and people with respiratory illness.
    Does anyone remember Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah?
    Google summary. “The case of Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah stands as a pivotal example of how vehicle pollution can lead to asthma-related deaths. Ella, a nine-year-old girl, tragically passed away due to asthma exacerbations caused by air pollution from road traffic. Her inquest revealed that air pollution, particularly from traffic emissions, was a significant contributory factor to her asthma and death.”
    I am hugely in favour of low emission zones and attempts to improve air quality. (Wife and I have an EV.)
    I have taken asthma medication for almost all of my life, but I don’t have the most serious type. I have only been hospitalised once and that was about 45 years ago.
    According to google there are about four asthma deaths in the UK each day.

    You have missed the point. Burnham caved on Manchester's clean air zone.
    He has missed the point, and so have you.

    The clean air zone has come up as a negative (trying to implement it, not caving on it, which shows wisdom if not courage), one of not very many, on the doorsteps of Makerfield. That prepares the ground for Burnham to be portrayed as on the side of green zealotry.

    As for Moanrs post, it is dreadfully sad that the young girl died, but she died from asthma. If someone's asthmatic condition means that them being in an area of high road traffic aggravates their condition to a potentially lethal extent, their parents, assisted where possible by the State, should move them somewhere different. The whole city cannot be turned on its axis because of one person's health needs - that is absurd. It is an even more perverse version of locking everyone up to protect the old and unfit during Covid. And it happens for similar reason - giving national power to single interest campaigns and quangos, who can then introduce deeply damaging economic and social havoc on everyone to pursue their single issue goal with no consideration for the wider implications.
    Incrementally increasing standards for the environment have been one of the great successes of the late 20th and earlier 21st century.
    Hemlines rising has been one of the great fashion successes of the 20th and 21st century. That doesn't mean that logically it is desirable that they should rise indefinitely or that any rise is good.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,075
    https://x.com/frasernelson/status/2067585356757647594

    Kemi Badenoch tells The Times ceo summit there is "no chance" of Tories ever sharing power with Reform
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,836
    Phil Tuffnell. Now there was a tail that would never wag.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,147
    Dopermean said:

    MoanR said:

    Off topic.
    I read PB most days. It’s been ages since I have commented on PB. However:
    @Luckyguy1983 recently commented that:
    “Burnham's 'clean air zone' in Manchester is a black spot on his reputation.”
    Can I ask @Luckyguy1983 what is wrong with trying to improve air quality?
    Air pollution caused by vehicle emissions is a disaster for asthmatics and people with respiratory illness.
    Does anyone remember Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah?
    Google summary. “The case of Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah stands as a pivotal example of how vehicle pollution can lead to asthma-related deaths. Ella, a nine-year-old girl, tragically passed away due to asthma exacerbations caused by air pollution from road traffic. Her inquest revealed that air pollution, particularly from traffic emissions, was a significant contributory factor to her asthma and death.”
    I am hugely in favour of low emission zones and attempts to improve air quality. (Wife and I have an EV.)
    I have taken asthma medication for almost all of my life, but I don’t have the most serious type. I have only been hospitalised once and that was about 45 years ago.
    According to google there are about four asthma deaths in the UK each day.

    You have missed the point. Burnham caved on Manchester's clean air zone.
    He has missed the point, and so have you.

    The clean air zone has come up as a negative (trying to implement it, not caving on it, which shows wisdom if not courage), one of not very many, on the doorsteps of Makerfield. That prepares the ground for Burnham to be portrayed as on the side of green zealotry.

    As for Moanrs post, it is dreadfully sad that the young girl died, but she died from asthma. If someone's asthmatic condition means that them being in an area of high road traffic aggravates their condition to a potentially lethal extent, their parents, assisted where possible by the State, should move them somewhere different. The whole city cannot be turned on its axis because of one person's health needs - that is absurd. It is an even more perverse version of locking everyone up to protect the old and unfit during Covid. And it happens for similar reason - giving national power to single interest campaigns and quangos, who can then introduce deeply damaging economic and social havoc on everyone to pursue their single issue goal with no consideration for the wider implications.
    Incrementally increasing standards for the environment have been one of the great successes of the late 20th and earlier 21st century.
    @LG83 is distraught that he was too late for his dream career as a coal mine canary.

    Sadly for him electrification of transport means that improvements in air quality are inevitable

    I hear he’s off to Moscow to enjoy the atmosphere.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,906

    eek said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Edit: Duplicate !

    Please God not Ed Miliband or Louise Haigh D:

    I still cannot believe people are putting forward Louise Haigh as Chancellor.

    1) She couldn't work at my firm as she'd failed the enhanced DBS check and CIFAS check.

    and

    2) It would blunt any attacks on Nigel Farag's probity.
    Given the work she's putting in to make Burnham PM she has to be slotted in somewhere though doesn't she.

    And so where do you put her?
    Make her Secretary of State for Wales or Northern Ireland.

    Or Ambassador to Afghanistan.
    If he makes her ambassador to Afghanistan, then what does he do with Ed Miliband?
  • TresTres Posts: 3,686

    The bastard who murdered little Preston has been given a full life sentence.

    Shouldn't Reform and their friends be demanding white school teachers are vilified across the nation?

    Aren’t they already? “My little Timmy just set fire to the school and broke a girls arm. And you spoke to him in a mean tone of voice! How can you live with yourself?!!”
    That wasn't what I had in mind at all.

    When disgusting murders were committed in Stockport, Mr Farage demanded unrest on the streets against a particular cohort of people, one of whom he had incorrectly assumed was involved in the dreadful murders.
    Stockport KLAXON
  • eekeek Posts: 34,069
    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.
    Madri is a top quality Spanish beer, known for its authentic Spanish flavour, brewed in the uk on
    Licence

    It’s the spirit of Madrid
    Madri - A beer famous for being invented in Burton Upon Trent? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrí_Excepcional
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,461

    MoanR said:

    Off topic.
    I read PB most days. It’s been ages since I have commented on PB. However:
    @Luckyguy1983 recently commented that:
    “Burnham's 'clean air zone' in Manchester is a black spot on his reputation.”
    Can I ask @Luckyguy1983 what is wrong with trying to improve air quality?
    Air pollution caused by vehicle emissions is a disaster for asthmatics and people with respiratory illness.
    Does anyone remember Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah?
    Google summary. “The case of Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah stands as a pivotal example of how vehicle pollution can lead to asthma-related deaths. Ella, a nine-year-old girl, tragically passed away due to asthma exacerbations caused by air pollution from road traffic. Her inquest revealed that air pollution, particularly from traffic emissions, was a significant contributory factor to her asthma and death.”
    I am hugely in favour of low emission zones and attempts to improve air quality. (Wife and I have an EV.)
    I have taken asthma medication for almost all of my life, but I don’t have the most serious type. I have only been hospitalised once and that was about 45 years ago.
    According to google there are about four asthma deaths in the UK each day.

    You have missed the point. Burnham caved on Manchester's clean air zone.
    He has missed the point, and so have you.

    The clean air zone has come up as a negative (trying to implement it, not caving on it, which shows wisdom if not courage), one of not very many, on the doorsteps of Makerfield. That prepares the ground for Burnham to be portrayed as on the side of green zealotry.

    As for Moanrs post, it is dreadfully sad that the young girl died, but she died from asthma. If someone's asthmatic condition means that them being in an area of high road traffic aggravates their condition to a potentially lethal extent, their parents, assisted where possible by the State, should move them somewhere different. The whole city cannot be turned on its axis because of one person's health needs - that is absurd. It is an even more perverse version of locking everyone up to protect the old and unfit during Covid. And it happens for similar reason - giving national power to single interest campaigns and quangos, who can then introduce deeply damaging economic and social havoc on everyone to pursue their single issue goal with no consideration for the wider implications.
    Incrementally increasing standards for the environment have been one of the great successes of the late 20th and earlier 21st century.
    Hemlines rising has been one of the great fashion successes of the 20th and 21st century. That doesn't mean that logically it is desirable that they should rise indefinitely or that any rise is good.
    Most analogies are rubbish.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,595

    The bastard who murdered little Preston has been given a full life sentence.

    Shouldn't Reform and their friends be demanding white school teachers are vilified across the nation?

    Or the banning of adoption by gay men?
    That might be quite a likely demand from a hard of thinking politician I would have thought.
    The bigger questions need to be asked at the hospital where he had several admissions in a very short space of time.
    I have looked in detail at the timeline and with hindsight it is easy to condemn. However the key potential error is the broken elbow on visit three. This seems highly problematic. Lady Brook is not happy. I believe she has lots of questions of medical and social worker staff.

    Varley's evil and graphic sexual abuse is beyond contempt. I don't believe a general extrapolation should be made because Varley was either, white, male, a teacher or gay.
    Clearly not. But the failure to spot the warning signs will need to be looked at.

    My three year old has had a few instances taken to the local out of hours medical service (usually ear infections plus temperatures) and I worried every time about getting on the list as 'parents keep bringing child in'. When my son was a very small baby and we had the routine social worker visits on one occasion I said I was surprised that my son had not had a motion for a couple of days and I asked about this. The social worker gave me a look and asked why I was asking, with me getting the impression that she was suspicious that I had done something. I explained that he was my only child so it was all new to me.

    My nephew had his children removed by a children's court by an incompetent social worker after one visit to hospital

    As a result I cannot understand how this happened in this case.
    Do you mean health visitor rather than social worker?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,485
    viewcode said:

    algarkirk said:

    White supremacists with links to banned neo-Nazi groups are helping to fund Restore Britain.

    Rupert Lowe’s party could hold the balance of power in Thursday’s Makerfield by-election by splitting the Right-wing vote with Reform UK, clearing the way for Labour’s Andy Burnham to win.

    Some of Restore’s supporters are so openly racist that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, the far-Right activist detained last week under counter-terrorism laws, has questioned whether the party is too extreme.

    Yaxley-Lennon, who uses the alias Tommy Robinson, challenged Mr Lowe to ask whether black people would be allowed to stand as parliamentary candidates for the party, or whether their skin colour would rule them out. Robinson suggested they should be able to stand.


    Among Restore’s recent supporters is Steve Laws, who campaigns for “total remigration” of all non-white people. He posted on social media that he had donated to the party.

    Jared Taylor, an American banned from the UK because of his extreme racist views, has become a paid-up member.

    Other neo-fascists who have paid to join Restore include Sam Melia, who was jailed in 2024 for stirring up racial hatred, Sam Wilkes, a Nazi apologist, and Simon Birkett, who is buying up land for the benefit of “the British people”.

    Mr Laws, who has said he has “signed up and donated” to Restore Britain, describes himself as the founder of Remigration Now, which calls for the expulsion of every non-white and Jewish person from Britain.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/06/17/white-supremacists-fund-rupert-lowes-restore-party/

    Is it reassuring, troubling, or just odd that Farage should start sounding like a wet liberal with a passion for the rule of law and a desire for peaceful integration?

    As to the unfolding of the monsters of the sleep of reason, will the Vikings wanting to expel the Saxons get their first, or will the Anglians wanting to expel the Picts beat them to it?

    I really like the phrase "monsters of the sleep of reason". If I knew what it meant I might steal it!
    @OldKingCole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sleep_of_Reason_Produces_Monsters
    Obliged.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,282
    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.
    Madri is a top quality Spanish beer, known for its authentic Spanish flavour, brewed in the uk on
    Licence

    It’s the spirit of Madrid
    I can't believe that isn't satire, but in case... From Wikipedia

    Madrí Excepcional is a British beer developed in Burton on Trent by Coors, the parent company of Carling, with some input from their Spanish brewery subsidiary in Toledo, La Sagra; it is manufactured in Tadcaster, UK. In 2024, it was the fourth most sold lager in the UK.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,075
    MAGA influencer Laura Loomer is now a Ukraine supporter:

    https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/2067319339326276071
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,574

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.
    Madri is a top quality Spanish beer, known for its authentic Spanish flavour, brewed in the uk on
    Licence

    It’s the spirit of Madrid
    I can't believe that isn't satire, but in case... From Wikipedia

    Madrí Excepcional is a British beer developed in Burton on Trent by Coors, the parent company of Carling, with some input from their Spanish brewery subsidiary in Toledo, La Sagra; it is manufactured in Tadcaster, UK. In 2024, it was the fourth most sold lager in the UK.

    Sorry. I was being childish. It was meant as a joke
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,574
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.
    Madri is a top quality Spanish beer, known for its authentic Spanish flavour, brewed in the uk on
    Licence

    It’s the spirit of Madrid
    Madri - A beer famous for being invented in Burton Upon Trent? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrí_Excepcional
    Is that by Zaragoza ?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,574

    Dopermean said:

    MoanR said:

    Off topic.
    I read PB most days. It’s been ages since I have commented on PB. However:
    @Luckyguy1983 recently commented that:
    “Burnham's 'clean air zone' in Manchester is a black spot on his reputation.”
    Can I ask @Luckyguy1983 what is wrong with trying to improve air quality?
    Air pollution caused by vehicle emissions is a disaster for asthmatics and people with respiratory illness.
    Does anyone remember Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah?
    Google summary. “The case of Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah stands as a pivotal example of how vehicle pollution can lead to asthma-related deaths. Ella, a nine-year-old girl, tragically passed away due to asthma exacerbations caused by air pollution from road traffic. Her inquest revealed that air pollution, particularly from traffic emissions, was a significant contributory factor to her asthma and death.”
    I am hugely in favour of low emission zones and attempts to improve air quality. (Wife and I have an EV.)
    I have taken asthma medication for almost all of my life, but I don’t have the most serious type. I have only been hospitalised once and that was about 45 years ago.
    According to google there are about four asthma deaths in the UK each day.

    You have missed the point. Burnham caved on Manchester's clean air zone.
    He has missed the point, and so have you.

    The clean air zone has come up as a negative (trying to implement it, not caving on it, which shows wisdom if not courage), one of not very many, on the doorsteps of Makerfield. That prepares the ground for Burnham to be portrayed as on the side of green zealotry.

    As for Moanrs post, it is dreadfully sad that the young girl died, but she died from asthma. If someone's asthmatic condition means that them being in an area of high road traffic aggravates their condition to a potentially lethal extent, their parents, assisted where possible by the State, should move them somewhere different. The whole city cannot be turned on its axis because of one person's health needs - that is absurd. It is an even more perverse version of locking everyone up to protect the old and unfit during Covid. And it happens for similar reason - giving national power to single interest campaigns and quangos, who can then introduce deeply damaging economic and social havoc on everyone to pursue their single issue goal with no consideration for the wider implications.
    Incrementally increasing standards for the environment have been one of the great successes of the late 20th and earlier 21st century.
    @LG83 is distraught that he was too late for his dream career as a coal mine canary.

    Sadly for him electrification of transport means that improvements in air quality are inevitable

    I hear he’s off to Moscow to enjoy the atmosphere.
    With Russ Abbott ?
  • Jim_the_LurkerJim_the_Lurker Posts: 329
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.
    Madri is a top quality Spanish beer, known for its authentic Spanish flavour, brewed in the uk on
    Licence

    It’s the spirit of Madrid
    Madri - A beer famous for being invented in Burton Upon Trent? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrí_Excepcional
    Indeed - a complete and successful marketing confection. And rumoured to be Coors light with extra hops (although that is not certain). Hilariously (or at least I find it funny) the Aldi knock-off of Madri called “Grande,” and the red bottle label is replete with a Spanish looking chap in a hat, is actually brewed in Spain.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,461

    Phil Tuffnell. Now there was a tail that would never wag.

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-india-1992-93-61796/india-vs-england-3rd-test-63600/full-scorecard

    10th wicket partnership of 68 in the first innings with Hick. England lost by an innings.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,574

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.
    Madri is a top quality Spanish beer, known for its authentic Spanish flavour, brewed in the uk on
    Licence

    It’s the spirit of Madrid
    Madri - A beer famous for being invented in Burton Upon Trent? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrí_Excepcional
    Indeed - a complete and successful marketing confection. And rumoured to be Coors light with extra hops (although that is not certain). Hilariously (or at least I find it funny) the Aldi knock-off of Madri called “Grande,” and the red bottle label is replete with a Spanish looking chap in a hat, is actually brewed in Spain.
    It’s supposed to be the spirit of Madrid but spirits arev40% or so ABV

    The beer of Madrid maybe
  • eekeek Posts: 34,069
    edited 1:12PM

    MAGA influencer Laura Loomer is now a Ukraine supporter:

    https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/2067319339326276071

    So now Ukraine are clearly winning - she’s supporting the other (winning) side
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,836

    Phil Tuffnell. Now there was a tail that would never wag.

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-india-1992-93-61796/india-vs-england-3rd-test-63600/full-scorecard

    10th wicket partnership of 68 in the first innings with Hick. England lost by an innings.
    2 no in both innings. That must have been one of his better scores. And Hick, however you might describe him, was not a tailender.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,574
    Have Reform condemned Madri yet ?

    If not why not ?
  • Jim_the_LurkerJim_the_Lurker Posts: 329
    Taz said:

    Have Reform condemned Madri yet ?

    If not why not ?

    Why would they? It is completely British (aside from the fact that the Brewery owners are American).The guy on the label is clearly from Yorkshire, he’s got a flat cap on and everything. Whippets weren’t included because the illustrator can’t do animals or something.
  • PJHPJH Posts: 1,155

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.
    Madri is a top quality Spanish beer, known for its authentic Spanish flavour, brewed in the uk on
    Licence

    It’s the spirit of Madrid
    Madri - A beer famous for being invented in Burton Upon Trent? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrí_Excepcional
    Indeed - a complete and successful marketing confection. And rumoured to be Coors light with extra hops (although that is not certain). Hilariously (or at least I find it funny) the Aldi knock-off of Madri called “Grande,” and the red bottle label is replete with a Spanish looking chap in a hat, is actually brewed in Spain.
    I accidentally had a pint once, as in there was nothing else left except other lagers I would never touch, and it duly duly joined that list.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,574

    Taz said:

    Have Reform condemned Madri yet ?

    If not why not ?

    Why would they? It is completely British (aside from the fact that the Brewery owners are American).The guy on the label is clearly from Yorkshire, he’s got a flat cap on and everything. Whippets weren’t included because the illustrator can’t do animals or something.
    They seem to need to condemn things here.

    I just wondered
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,574
    edited 1:24PM
    PJH said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.
    Madri is a top quality Spanish beer, known for its authentic Spanish flavour, brewed in the uk on
    Licence

    It’s the spirit of Madrid
    Madri - A beer famous for being invented in Burton Upon Trent? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrí_Excepcional
    Indeed - a complete and successful marketing confection. And rumoured to be Coors light with extra hops (although that is not certain). Hilariously (or at least I find it funny) the Aldi knock-off of Madri called “Grande,” and the red bottle label is replete with a Spanish looking chap in a hat, is actually brewed in Spain.
    I accidentally had a pint once, as in there was nothing else left except other lagers I would never touch, and it duly duly joined that list.
    I had a pint once. Glorious. As great a beer as Jamshed is a top quality wine

    Thinking of getting a dozen to lie down
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,385

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.
    Madri is a top quality Spanish beer, known for its authentic Spanish flavour, brewed in the uk on
    Licence

    It’s the spirit of Madrid
    Madri - A beer famous for being invented in Burton Upon Trent? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrí_Excepcional
    Indeed - a complete and successful marketing confection. And rumoured to be Coors light with extra hops (although that is not certain). Hilariously (or at least I find it funny) the Aldi knock-off of Madri called “Grande,” and the red bottle label is replete with a Spanish looking chap in a hat, is actually brewed in Spain.
    Beer is actually pretty simple. Choose your grain, malt it then extract the wort and brew with your choice of hops. Water can make a difference. You can tailor the inorganic salts in the water to match any water in the world (e.g. when Gales were bought by Fullers they switched production to Chiswick but with water to match Horndean.)
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,595
    Starmer hints at World Cup Bank Holiday as ‘England only win under Labour government’
    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/starmer-hints-world-cup-bank-37308694

    Sensible policies for a happier Britain England.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,485
    PJH said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.
    Madri is a top quality Spanish beer, known for its authentic Spanish flavour, brewed in the uk on
    Licence

    It’s the spirit of Madrid
    Madri - A beer famous for being invented in Burton Upon Trent? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrí_Excepcional
    Indeed - a complete and successful marketing confection. And rumoured to be Coors light with extra hops (although that is not certain). Hilariously (or at least I find it funny) the Aldi knock-off of Madri called “Grande,” and the red bottle label is replete with a Spanish looking chap in a hat, is actually brewed in Spain.
    I accidentally had a pint once, as in there was nothing else left except other lagers I would never touch, and it duly duly joined that list.
    I only drink lager in hot places like Thailand or, on a good day, the Canaries.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,212
    Taz said:

    PJH said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.

    Foxy said:

    Either Farage drinks in exactly the same pub, with the same group of England fans for every match or he has decided to get involved in recycling:


    And drinking Spanish beer (see the drip tray). What a traitor!
    Madri is as Spanish as Francis Drake.
    I believe he spelled it 'Francisco'.
    Madri is a top quality Spanish beer, known for its authentic Spanish flavour, brewed in the uk on
    Licence

    It’s the spirit of Madrid
    Madri - A beer famous for being invented in Burton Upon Trent? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrí_Excepcional
    Indeed - a complete and successful marketing confection. And rumoured to be Coors light with extra hops (although that is not certain). Hilariously (or at least I find it funny) the Aldi knock-off of Madri called “Grande,” and the red bottle label is replete with a Spanish looking chap in a hat, is actually brewed in Spain.
    I accidentally had a pint once, as in there was nothing else left except other lagers I would never touch, and it duly duly joined that list.
    I had a pint once. Glorious. As great a beer as Jamshed is a top quality wine

    Thinking of getting a dozen to lie down
    There is no beer that a licensed UK industrial brewer given the same ingredients could not ruin.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,384
    malcolmg said:

    An absolute weather cauldron is brewing over next few days in France.

    Let's hope we escape this one.

    Known as high summer?
    Yes but a lot higher than used to be the case.
    Likely record was et a long long time ago
    Just to correct things here: the all time French record (and June record) was 46C, on 28 June 2019. Certainly not 37C!

    We missed that one, only peaking at 34C, because of a low stable layer of maritime air infiltrating on Easterlies despite upper air temperatures at stupid levels. We are likely to escape the worst this time, for not drinking similar reasons.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,073
    Taz said:

    Have Reform condemned Madri yet ?

    If not why not ?

    Because it is almost a blonde beer.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,595
    Men jailed over work for Chinese intelligence in UK
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgjx87gvlnxo
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,110
    Pulpstar said:

    Anyone know why sterling is tanking vs USD last few days ?

    Normally heads up or at least holds value when global risk is off (War's over) as USD is regarded as a global saf(ish) haven.

    Can a 1.5% fall reasonably be described as 'tanking'?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,302
    "The government’s annual accounts have been discounted by the National Audit Office for the third year in a row due to the amount of unaudited accounts from local councils."

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2026/jun/18/makerfield-byelection-polls-open-labour-leadership-andy-burnham-keir-starmer-latest-news-updates
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,073

    MAGA influencer Laura Loomer is now a Ukraine supporter:

    https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/2067319339326276071

    Has anyone ever seen @williamglenn and Laura Loomer on the same political betting blog site?
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,384

    MoanR said:

    Off topic.
    I read PB most days. It’s been ages since I have commented on PB. However:
    @Luckyguy1983 recently commented that:
    “Burnham's 'clean air zone' in Manchester is a black spot on his reputation.”
    Can I ask @Luckyguy1983 what is wrong with trying to improve air quality?
    Air pollution caused by vehicle emissions is a disaster for asthmatics and people with respiratory illness.
    Does anyone remember Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah?
    Google summary. “The case of Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah stands as a pivotal example of how vehicle pollution can lead to asthma-related deaths. Ella, a nine-year-old girl, tragically passed away due to asthma exacerbations caused by air pollution from road traffic. Her inquest revealed that air pollution, particularly from traffic emissions, was a significant contributory factor to her asthma and death.”
    I am hugely in favour of low emission zones and attempts to improve air quality. (Wife and I have an EV.)
    I have taken asthma medication for almost all of my life, but I don’t have the most serious type. I have only been hospitalised once and that was about 45 years ago.
    According to google there are about four asthma deaths in the UK each day.

    You have missed the point. Burnham caved on Manchester's clean air zone.
    He has missed the point, and so have you.

    The clean air zone has come up as a negative (trying to implement it, not caving on it, which shows wisdom if not courage), one of not very many, on the doorsteps of Makerfield. That prepares the ground for Burnham to be portrayed as on the side of green zealotry.

    As for Moanrs post, it is dreadfully sad that the young girl died, but she died from asthma. If someone's asthmatic condition means that them being in an area of high road traffic aggravates their condition to a potentially lethal extent, their parents, assisted where possible by the State, should move them somewhere different. The whole city cannot be turned on its axis because of one person's health needs - that is absurd. It is an even more perverse version of locking everyone up to protect the old and unfit during Covid. And it happens for similar reason - giving national power to single interest campaigns and quangos, who can then introduce deeply damaging economic and social havoc on everyone to pursue their single issue goal with no consideration for the wider implications.
    Incrementally increasing standards for the environment have been one of the great successes of the late 20th and earlier 21st century.
    Hemlines rising has been one of the great fashion successes of the 20th and 21st century. That doesn't mean that logically it is desirable that they should rise indefinitely or that any rise is good.
    Most analogies are rubbish.
    It sort of works, until you reflect that long skirts don't generally make kids die of asthma.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,574

    Taz said:

    Have Reform condemned Madri yet ?

    If not why not ?

    Because it is almost a blonde beer.
    Did they condemn Carling Black Label ?

    Do they still make that. Not had it in donkeys
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