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European electorates are an ornery bunch – politicalbetting.com

How popular are European leaders in their own countries??? Frederiksen: -10 net favourable (down 8pts from April)?? Meloni: -17 (up 5pts)?? Sanchez: -22 (down 1pt)?? Starmer: -51 (down 7pts)?? Macron: -60 (down 11pts)?? Merz: -64 (down 12pts)yougov.com/en-gb/articl…

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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,722
    edited 3:43PM
    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,260
    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/jorgeliboreiro/status/2063993332112453905

    Ireland is battling a PR nightmare over its continued sales of alumina to Russia.

    The scandal comes as Dublin prepares to take the reins of the EU Council presidency.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Put_on_the_green_jersey

    So common they have a phrase for it, and that phrase has a Wikipedia page.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,872
    edited 3:47PM
    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    That's PR for you. No one is getting what they want. At least here, around a third of the voters are getting what they wanted.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,210
    Ironic Starmer, Macron and Merz have so many meetings, but are the bottom 3 leaders in favourability
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,895
    An interesting cultural phenomenon taking France by storm:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78q215vyd7o

    Giant banquets rile radical left in France
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,837
    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    "Please! I like America!"
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,722
    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    That's PR for you. No one is getting what they want. At least here, around a third of the voters are getting what they wanted.
    Not evidenced in the header.
    They're are about to kick out the guy who delivered it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,572
    Peruvian election - dead heat, with a count ongoing, and overseas votes critical.

    One exit poll puts Roberto Sánchez on just over 50% - but there are still 8% of votes to count.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,572
    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    That's PR for you. No one is getting what they want. At least here, around a third of the voters are getting what they wanted.
    Not evidenced in the header.
    They're are about to kick out the guy who delivered it.
    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    That's PR for you. No one is getting what they want. At least here, around a third of the voters are getting what they wanted.
    Not evidenced in the header.
    They're are about to kick out the guy who delivered it.
    Germany is having a nasty crisis - from the export superpower of Europe to years of economic crisis.

    The industrial national champions have been especially hard hit.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,438
    Malmesbury said:

    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    That's PR for you. No one is getting what they want. At least here, around a third of the voters are getting what they wanted.
    Not evidenced in the header.
    They're are about to kick out the guy who delivered it.
    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    That's PR for you. No one is getting what they want. At least here, around a third of the voters are getting what they wanted.
    Not evidenced in the header.
    They're are about to kick out the guy who delivered it.
    Germany is having a nasty crisis - from the export superpower of Europe to years of economic crisis.

    The industrial national champions have been especially hard hit.
    If only Germany hadn't Brexited....

    Oh.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,819
    No one seems to get honeymood periods anymore. People expect a lot and they want it right away, as they are promised to get their votes.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,884
    MarqueeMark said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    That's PR for you. No one is getting what they want. At least here, around a third of the voters are getting what they wanted.
    Not evidenced in the header.
    They're are about to kick out the guy who delivered it.
    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    That's PR for you. No one is getting what they want. At least here, around a third of the voters are getting what they wanted.
    Not evidenced in the header.
    They're are about to kick out the guy who delivered it.
    Germany is having a nasty crisis - from the export superpower of Europe to years of economic crisis.

    The industrial national champions have been especially hard hit.
    If only Germany hadn't Brexited....

    Oh.
    Brexit damages the EU too. Thats what trade barriers do.

    But mainly it is the technological lead over China that is lost. China is dominating the new industries of EV's etc.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,615
    edited 4:11PM
    Malmesbury said:

    Peruvian election - dead heat, with a count ongoing, and overseas votes critical.

    One exit poll puts Roberto Sánchez on just over 50% - but there are still 8% of votes to count.

    93% counted and the lead is 0.19% to Sanchez.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,615
    edited 4:13PM
    Duplicate.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,572
    dixiedean said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Peruvian election - dead heat, with a count ongoing, and overseas votes critical.

    One exit poll puts Roberto Sánchez on just over 50% - but there are still 8% of votes to count.

    93% counted and the lead is 0.19% to Sanchez.
    So his lead is going down. Interesting.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,492
    FPT:

    "Ireland is battling a PR nightmare"

    Yes, it takes far too long to count the votes under STV.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,708
    carnforth said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/jorgeliboreiro/status/2063993332112453905

    Ireland is battling a PR nightmare over its continued sales of alumina to Russia.

    The scandal comes as Dublin prepares to take the reins of the EU Council presidency.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Put_on_the_green_jersey

    So common they have a phrase for it, and that phrase has a Wikipedia page.
    EU should be sanctioning the f*** out of that Russian-owned alumina factory, and their ships that take it away.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,249
    edited 4:21PM
    DougSeal said:

    I have some friends in Munich, which is a remarkably clean and well run city to my eye. To their eye Germany is "lost" and they have a house over here they spend a lot of time in. They are particularly riled by the decision to stop nuclear given Germany now just buys nuclear from France.

    On the flip side I've loads of British friends who think Britain is a dystopia and would like to move to Germany. Even I am eying a retirement in New England despite my (possibly visa denying) comments about Trump.

    You can't please people nowadays. The grass is always greener etc etc.

    The longer I live in Ireland the more dysfunctional the politics and governance appears to be. I didn't have any particular illusions about it being well run when I moved here, but over time ones knowledge of particular scandals and failures builds up, and it has a cumulative effect on your sense of a place.

    I'd say there are lots of good reasons to move country, but unless you are moving from a dictatorship to a democracy*, moving country due to perceptions of how well run it is will only end in disappointment.

    * And the main advantage of a democracy is that you can complain about how badly run the place is without the risk of being sent to jail.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,572
    Malmesbury said:

    dixiedean said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Peruvian election - dead heat, with a count ongoing, and overseas votes critical.

    One exit poll puts Roberto Sánchez on just over 50% - but there are still 8% of votes to count.

    93% counted and the lead is 0.19% to Sanchez.
    So his lead is going down. Interesting.
    https://resultadosegundavuelta.onpe.gob.pe/main/resumen

    Crossover?

    50.020 %
    KEIKO SOFIA FUJIMORI HIGUCHI

    49.980 %
    ROBERTO HELBERT SANCHEZ PALOMINO
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,708
    Have a video of what a massive ammo dump in Belgorod looks like when it all goes off at the same time 🎇

    https://x.com/tendar/status/2064000632302739940
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,260
    https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/europa/ruestung-deutschland-frankreich-fcas-100.html

    FCAS is dead.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,572
    Keiko seems to have a lead in the overseas votes....

    57 - 43
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,572
    LostPassword said:

    DougSeal said:

    I have some friends in Munich, which is a remarkably clean and well run city to my eye. To their eye Germany is "lost" and they have a house over here they spend a lot of time in. They are particularly riled by the decision to stop nuclear given Germany now just buys nuclear from France.

    On the flip side I've loads of British friends who think Britain is a dystopia and would like to move to Germany. Even I am eying a retirement in New England despite my (possibly visa denying) comments about Trump.

    You can't please people nowadays. The grass is always greener etc etc.

    The longer I live in Ireland the more dysfunctional the politics and governance appears to be. I didn't have any particular illusions about it being well run when I moved here, but over time ones knowledge of particular scandals and failures builds up, and it has a cumulative effect on your sense of a place.

    I'd say there are lots of good reasons to move country, but unless you are moving from a dictatorship to a democracy*, moving country due to perceptions of how well run it is will only end in disappointment.

    * And the main advantage of a democracy is that you can complain about how badly run the place is without the risk of being sent to jail.
    Democracy is about having a coup every so often. A polite, tidy coup, without piles of dead bodies smelling the place up.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,897
    Malmesbury said:

    LostPassword said:

    DougSeal said:

    I have some friends in Munich, which is a remarkably clean and well run city to my eye. To their eye Germany is "lost" and they have a house over here they spend a lot of time in. They are particularly riled by the decision to stop nuclear given Germany now just buys nuclear from France.

    On the flip side I've loads of British friends who think Britain is a dystopia and would like to move to Germany. Even I am eying a retirement in New England despite my (possibly visa denying) comments about Trump.

    You can't please people nowadays. The grass is always greener etc etc.

    The longer I live in Ireland the more dysfunctional the politics and governance appears to be. I didn't have any particular illusions about it being well run when I moved here, but over time ones knowledge of particular scandals and failures builds up, and it has a cumulative effect on your sense of a place.

    I'd say there are lots of good reasons to move country, but unless you are moving from a dictatorship to a democracy*, moving country due to perceptions of how well run it is will only end in disappointment.

    * And the main advantage of a democracy is that you can complain about how badly run the place is without the risk of being sent to jail.
    Democracy is about having a coup every so often. A polite, tidy coup, without piles of dead bodies smelling the place up.
    How would you square your conclusion with (say) Iceland and (say) the UK?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,837
    williamglenn said:

    An interesting cultural phenomenon taking France by storm:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78q215vyd7o

    Giant banquets rile radical left in France

    Alsace = occupied Germany :lol:
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,965
    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    Not with fuel they are not...filled up outside Freiburg im Breisgau and it was 1.79.9 or 1.55 in real money. In France is 2.02 pls which is about as much as a rip.off as it is in Britain.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,895
    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”
  • PoodleInASlipstreamPoodleInASlipstream Posts: 818
    carnforth said:

    https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/europa/ruestung-deutschland-frankreich-fcas-100.html

    FCAS is dead.

    Going to be interesting to see what Germany does next.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,897
    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    Is he planning to come out with a vegetable equality mandate? That'd put all sorts of possible Green MPs under lots of local selectorial pressure.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,953
    Of those leaders all bar Meloni and Frederiksen see their parties trail in the polls (Macron cannot run again for French president but potential candidates from his party also trail Bardella for the 2027 election).

    Merz though will likely see his CDU still form a government with the SPD to keep out the AfD
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,572
    Omnium said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    Is he planning to come out with a vegetable equality mandate? That'd put all sorts of possible Green MPs under lots of local selectorial pressure.
    He is looking at the root of the problem?
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,158
    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    He's dangerously thick. Glad to see his popularity crashing.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,897
    Malmesbury said:

    Omnium said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    Is he planning to come out with a vegetable equality mandate? That'd put all sorts of possible Green MPs under lots of local selectorial pressure.
    He is looking at the root of the problem?
    Certainly spudding ideas.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,244
    Malmesbury said:

    Omnium said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    Is he planning to come out with a vegetable equality mandate? That'd put all sorts of possible Green MPs under lots of local selectorial pressure.
    He is looking at the root of the problem?
    Joe Root ?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,708
    “ The Strait Of Hormuz Isn't As Closed As You Think “ - Mike Baker podcast.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwmab0zcouU&ra=m

    TL:DR the Americans have effectively opened a shipping route close to the Oman coast.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,965
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    He's dangerously thick. Glad to see his popularity crashing.
    I think its worse than that. Something of the night about him
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,722
    Foxy said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    That's PR for you. No one is getting what they want. At least here, around a third of the voters are getting what they wanted.
    Not evidenced in the header.
    They're are about to kick out the guy who delivered it.
    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    That's PR for you. No one is getting what they want. At least here, around a third of the voters are getting what they wanted.
    Not evidenced in the header.
    They're are about to kick out the guy who delivered it.
    Germany is having a nasty crisis - from the export superpower of Europe to years of economic crisis.

    The industrial national champions have been especially hard hit.
    If only Germany hadn't Brexited....

    Oh.
    Brexit damages the EU too. Thats what trade barriers do.

    But mainly it is the technological lead over China that is lost. China is dominating the new industries of EV's etc.
    That and (for example) the loss of cheap gas from Russia.
    Germany still has a large chemical industry, whose margins have been absolutely laid waste by the massive increase in both feedstock and energy prices.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,897
    squareroot2 said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    He's dangerously thick. Glad to see his popularity crashing.
    I think its worse than that. Something of the night about him
    Howard that be?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,837
    Omnium said:

    squareroot2 said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    He's dangerously thick. Glad to see his popularity crashing.
    I think its worse than that. Something of the night about him
    Howard that be?
    Did you threaten to overrule him?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,837
    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    Out of touch eco-warrior.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,244
    Sandpit said:

    “ The Strait Of Hormuz Isn't As Closed As You Think “ - Mike Baker podcast.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwmab0zcouU&ra=m

    TL:DR the Americans have effectively opened a shipping route close to the Oman coast.

    And Iran are letting ships through for an access fee.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,244
    squareroot2 said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    He's dangerously thick. Glad to see his popularity crashing.
    I think its worse than that. Something of the night about him
    He’s got the Billionaires and the Bond markets rattled !!!!

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,572
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    “ The Strait Of Hormuz Isn't As Closed As You Think “ - Mike Baker podcast.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwmab0zcouU&ra=m

    TL:DR the Americans have effectively opened a shipping route close to the Oman coast.

    And Iran are letting ships through for an access fee.
    How many Trumpcoin are the Americans charging, for theirs?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,897
    Taz said:

    squareroot2 said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    He's dangerously thick. Glad to see his popularity crashing.
    I think its worse than that. Something of the night about him
    He’s got the Billionaires and the Bond markets rattled !!!!

    These novelty politicians are a real threat. We, the voters, know that it's all a silly game and that we'll revert to the Tories (or if you're strange, then Labour) and things will go on much as they always have.

    However Jonny Foreigner, who nowadays we're massively in hock to, sees it differently.

    I think we need to tap Germany for reparations.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,201
    "I told Keir Starmer’s jobs chatbot I’m a parrot. It still wrote me a CV" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-jobs-chatbot-ai-63bl6rc96
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 269
    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”


    I'm actually in favour of certain essential items being available in supermarkets for 0p - e.g free.

    A carrot. An apple. A tin of basics beans. A small loaf of cheap sliced bread. A small packet of rich tea biscuits. 10 tea bags. A single economy toilet roll. A small pack of sanitary towels. A pint of long life milk. Possibly even a can of low ABV cheap lager.

    Products on which supermarkets make next to no margin anyway - if necessary the miniscule losses can be offset against their business rates or taxes.

    Obviously there would need to be limits per customer and it should be basic quality and limited quantity to make resale and profiteering impractical (like Amsterdam bicycles were at one point and maybe still are).

    This policy would render foodbanks and the associated complicated applications unnecessary, and ultimately eradicate absolute poverty. Nobody will starve - they'll always be able to get something basic to eat for free at Tesco Extra in the middle of the night.

    Yet Polanski is the deranged lefty and I'm the heartless right-winger...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,837
    KnightOut said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”


    I'm actually in favour of certain essential items being available in supermarkets for 0p - e.g free.

    A carrot. An apple. A tin of basics beans. A small loaf of cheap sliced bread. A small packet of rich tea biscuits. 10 tea bags. A single economy toilet roll. A small pack of sanitary towels. A pint of long life milk. Possibly even a can of low ABV cheap lager.
    Are you a shoplifter? :lol:
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,897
    KnightOut said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”


    I'm actually in favour of certain essential items being available in supermarkets for 0p - e.g free.

    A carrot. An apple. A tin of basics beans. A small loaf of cheap sliced bread. A small packet of rich tea biscuits. 10 tea bags. A single economy toilet roll. A small pack of sanitary towels. A pint of long life milk. Possibly even a can of low ABV cheap lager.

    Products on which supermarkets make next to no margin anyway - if necessary the miniscule losses can be offset against their business rates or taxes.

    Obviously there would need to be limits per customer and it should be basic quality and limited quantity to make resale and profiteering impractical (like Amsterdam bicycles were at one point and maybe still are).

    This policy would render foodbanks and the associated complicated applications unnecessary, and ultimately eradicate absolute poverty. Nobody will starve - they'll always be able to get something basic to eat for free at Tesco Extra in the middle of the night.

    Yet Polanski is the deranged lefty and I'm the heartless right-winger...

    "I'm actually in favour of certain essential items being available in supermarkets for 0p - e.g free."

    At first glance I thought this was a great idea. It'd just finish up with those products being low quality though. Supermarket carrots now aren't great.

    Perhaps what we need is a carrot tax. Push the price up and make the better ones less of a reach.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,021
    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    Going after the farming vote?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,021
    Andy_JS said:

    "I told Keir Starmer’s jobs chatbot I’m a parrot. It still wrote me a CV" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-jobs-chatbot-ai-63bl6rc96

    Why is this a problem?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,201
    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    He's so out of touch with the average British voter it's almost funny.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,557
    edited 5:21PM
    Sandpit said:

    “ The Strait Of Hormuz Isn't As Closed As You Think “ - Mike Baker podcast.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwmab0zcouU&ra=m

    TL:DR the Americans have effectively opened a shipping route close to the Oman coast.

    The numbers of transits they are quoting through Trump's back channel are subject to various limitations according to industry sources (eg coming out but not really going in through Hormuz).

    https://youtu.be/0kbISkINGBQ?t=1439
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,926
    squareroot2 said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    He's dangerously thick. Glad to see his popularity crashing.
    I think its worse than that. Something of the night about him
    I’m old enough to remember the last time this was applied to a politician and it was suggested it was an antisemitic dog whistle. Thank goodness society has moved on.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,021
    Andy_JS said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    He's so out of touch with the average British voter it's almost funny.
    When you tell the average British voter how little money goes to the farmer, mercilessly squeezed by the supermarkets as they are, the average British voter is generally very sympathetic to the farmer. I’m not so certain the average British voter doesn’t rather agree with Zack here.

    That said, the average British voter does go straight back to being the average British consumer and keeps buying cheap stuff in supermarkets.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,839
    edited 5:24PM
    MarqueeMark said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    That's PR for you. No one is getting what they want. At least here, around a third of the voters are getting what they wanted.
    Not evidenced in the header.
    They're are about to kick out the guy who delivered it.
    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    That's PR for you. No one is getting what they want. At least here, around a third of the voters are getting what they wanted.
    Not evidenced in the header.
    They're are about to kick out the guy who delivered it.
    Germany is having a nasty crisis - from the export superpower of Europe to years of economic crisis.

    The industrial national champions have been especially hard hit.
    If only Germany hadn't Brexited....

    Oh.
    To be fair Germany are starting from an industrial base in the 90%s whilst Starmer Britain are starting at -90%
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,841
    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    “ The Strait Of Hormuz Isn't As Closed As You Think “ - Mike Baker podcast.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwmab0zcouU&ra=m

    TL:DR the Americans have effectively opened a shipping route close to the Oman coast.

    The numbers of transits they are quoting through Trump's back channel are subject to various limitations according to industry sources (eg coming out but not really going in through Hormuz).

    https://youtu.be/0kbISkINGBQ?t=1439
    Ewwwwwwwww
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,926
    bondegezou said:

    Andy_JS said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    He's so out of touch with the average British voter it's almost funny.
    When you tell the average British voter how little money goes to the farmer, mercilessly squeezed by the supermarkets as they are, the average British voter is generally very sympathetic to the farmer. I’m not so certain the average British voter doesn’t rather agree with Zack here.

    That said, the average British voter does go straight back to being the average British consumer and keeps buying cheap stuff in supermarkets.
    In our current fissiparous times it’s probably unwise to base much analysis on an ‘average British voter’.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,244
    CatMan said:

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    “ The Strait Of Hormuz Isn't As Closed As You Think “ - Mike Baker podcast.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwmab0zcouU&ra=m

    TL:DR the Americans have effectively opened a shipping route close to the Oman coast.

    The numbers of transits they are quoting through Trump's back channel are subject to various limitations according to industry sources (eg coming out but not really going in through Hormuz).

    https://youtu.be/0kbISkINGBQ?t=1439
    Ewwwwwwwww
    Maybe Trump has been ordering from HelloFresh.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,244
    The SpaceX IPO


  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,853
    Andy_JS said:

    "I told Keir Starmer’s jobs chatbot I’m a parrot. It still wrote me a CV" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-jobs-chatbot-ai-63bl6rc96

    The alternative is parrots on benefits, so...
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,853
    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    Eat your Greens.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,708
    bondegezou said:

    Andy_JS said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    He's so out of touch with the average British voter it's almost funny.
    When you tell the average British voter how little money goes to the farmer, mercilessly squeezed by the supermarkets as they are, the average British voter is generally very sympathetic to the farmer. I’m not so certain the average British voter doesn’t rather agree with Zack here.

    That said, the average British voter does go straight back to being the average British consumer and keeps buying cheap stuff in supermarkets.
    A discussion between Polanski and Clarkson would be fun to watch!
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 76
    edited 5:30PM
    solarflare said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    Eat your Greens.
    I suppose his argument is if you want healthy sustainable agriculture you can’t impoverish farmers or make them debt slaves that need to cut corners and use expensive fertilisers and herbicides to excess!

    Hard to argue against that, unless your trying to appeal to Telegraph readers by deliberately portraying him as an Eco Lunatic.

    Peter.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,708
    Taz said:

    The SpaceX IPO


    Always the same. The ones you buy go down, the ones you don’t buy go up.

    Very aggressive pricing from SpaceX, but also a very rapidly expanding business.

    Gotta be worth a bag of sand IMHO.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,537
    @oksii33.ukr.monster‬

    In Sevastopol, fuel will be sold only once a week, up to 20 liters via QR code, — the occupying authority

    https://bsky.app/profile/oksii33.ukr.monster/post/3mns6kf2xr22z
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,537
    @kateinkharkiv.bsky.social‬

    Fire has broken out at the Arsenal plant in Saint Petersburg, Russia. 👀

    The facility manufactures naval artillery pieces, missile launch systems for warships, rocket components, and space equipment.

    https://bsky.app/profile/kateinkharkiv.bsky.social/post/3mns6maofp22a
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,385
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    Out of touch eco-warrior.
    No, Zack may have a point, whether you view too-low prices as a sign of exploitation or low quality. I've been of this view since one place was maintaining its low prices by turning its freezers off at night.

    (Hmm. Wasn't there a food poisoning story recently?)
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 76
    Are Vance and Rubio coming out of Trump's back channel as well?

    Peter.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,107
    Scott_xP said:

    @kateinkharkiv.bsky.social‬

    Fire has broken out at the Arsenal plant in Saint Petersburg, Russia. 👀

    The facility manufactures naval artillery pieces, missile launch systems for warships, rocket components, and space equipment.

    https://bsky.app/profile/kateinkharkiv.bsky.social/post/3mns6maofp22a

    The last few days have not been good for Arsenals.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,895
    Scott_xP said:

    @kateinkharkiv.bsky.social‬

    Fire has broken out at the Arsenal plant in Saint Petersburg, Russia. 👀

    The facility manufactures naval artillery pieces, missile launch systems for warships, rocket components, and space equipment.

    https://bsky.app/profile/kateinkharkiv.bsky.social/post/3mns6maofp22a

    The Provisional PSG have claimed responsibility?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,021
    Scott_xP said:

    @kateinkharkiv.bsky.social‬

    Fire has broken out at the Arsenal plant in Saint Petersburg, Russia. 👀

    The facility manufactures naval artillery pieces, missile launch systems for warships, rocket components, and space equipment.

    https://bsky.app/profile/kateinkharkiv.bsky.social/post/3mns6maofp22a

    What are Arsenal doing with an arms factory in Russia? We all loved the parade and then it turns out they’re doing this!
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,107
    Scott_xP said:

    @oksii33.ukr.monster‬

    In Sevastopol, fuel will be sold only once a week, up to 20 liters via QR code, — the occupying authority

    https://bsky.app/profile/oksii33.ukr.monster/post/3mns6kf2xr22z

    As soon as Ukraine know which day, things could get interesting.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,286
    williamglenn said:

    An interesting cultural phenomenon taking France by storm:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78q215vyd7o

    Giant banquets rile radical left in France

    They're revolting ...

    Had an interesting conversation with a French friend about Troyes Cathedral. Unlike say Canterbury* or a number of European Cathedrals there are virtually no statues on the outside. The reason was that they were smashed during the French Revolution and no one wants to put statues back up again. She seemed quite insistent that there was a clear divide between personal freedom and what the church/state wanted to impose on you. Hence they are always revolting.

    Perhaps a lesson for the Brits.


    * Canterbury has QEII and Prince Philip on the outside but Charles III has not made the cut yet.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,557
    edited 5:39PM
    CatMan said:

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    “ The Strait Of Hormuz Isn't As Closed As You Think “ - Mike Baker podcast.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwmab0zcouU&ra=m

    TL:DR the Americans have effectively opened a shipping route close to the Oman coast.

    The numbers of transits they are quoting through Trump's back channel are subject to various limitations according to industry sources (eg coming out but not really going in through Hormuz).

    https://youtu.be/0kbISkINGBQ?t=1439
    Ewwwwwwwww
    :smiley:
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,260
    PeterCairns said:

    solarflare said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    Eat your Greens.
    I suppose his argument is if you want healthy sustainable agriculture you can’t impoverish farmers or make them debt slaves that need to cut corners and use expensive fertilisers and herbicides to excess!

    Hard to argue against that, unless your trying to appeal to Telegraph readers by deliberately portraying him as an Eco Lunatic.

    Peter.
    No doubt that supermarkets negotiate hard with suppliers, but I suspect the Christmas and Easter cheap veg is a simple loss leader.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,492
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    Out of touch eco-warrior.
    Sorry, you appear to be confusing the leader of the Green Party with someone who cares about the environment.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,260
    Nick Clegg trying to launder his reputation by claiming he left Meta because they "went MAGA" I see.

    More like he had £20m in savings and didn't feel the need to carry on.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,897
    bondegezou said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @kateinkharkiv.bsky.social‬

    Fire has broken out at the Arsenal plant in Saint Petersburg, Russia. 👀

    The facility manufactures naval artillery pieces, missile launch systems for warships, rocket components, and space equipment.

    https://bsky.app/profile/kateinkharkiv.bsky.social/post/3mns6maofp22a

    What are Arsenal doing with an arms factory in Russia? We all loved the parade and then it turns out they’re doing this!
    Spurs have a spurs factory (dates from the last time militarily useful gear they won anything)
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,244
    SandyRentool said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    Out of touch eco-warrior.
    Sorry, you appear to be confusing the leader of the Green Party with someone who cares about the environment.
    The environment of the Gaza Strip.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,385
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    Out of touch eco-warrior.
    No, Zack may have a point, whether you view too-low prices as a sign of exploitation or low quality. I've been of this view since one place was maintaining its low prices by turning its freezers off at night.

    (Hmm. Wasn't there a food poisoning story recently?)
    More than 80 struck down in major UK and Europe salmonella outbreak linked to instant noodles
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/39339109/uk-europe-salmonella-instant-noodles/

    NHS England figures do show that more people are seeking hospital treatment for more serious food poisoning symptoms.
    https://www.dailymail.com/health/article-15879505/sickening-truth-Britain-food-poisoning-epidemic-surging-reveal.html

    Salmonella cases in England at a decade high
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/salmonella-cases-in-england-at-a-decade-high
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,965
    How long before stokes gets the boot. Another fracas in a bar...
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,965
    Stokes & Atkinson investigated over nightclub incident - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c0ry801k2geo
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,280
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    Out of touch eco-warrior.
    No, Zack may have a point, whether you view too-low prices as a sign of exploitation or low quality. I've been of this view since one place was maintaining its low prices by turning its freezers off at night.

    (Hmm. Wasn't there a food poisoning story recently?)
    Providing the food retained a temperature low enough to keep it fresh (and solid in the case of ice cream) that seems OK to me, though I would have thought just turning the freezers down and retaining a constant temperature would be preferable and more economical.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,260
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    Out of touch eco-warrior.
    No, Zack may have a point, whether you view too-low prices as a sign of exploitation or low quality. I've been of this view since one place was maintaining its low prices by turning its freezers off at night.

    (Hmm. Wasn't there a food poisoning story recently?)
    Providing the food retained a temperature low enough to keep it fresh (and solid in the case of ice cream) that seems OK to me, though I would have thought just turning the freezers down and retaining a constant temperature would be preferable and more economical.
    Yeah, the doors don't get opened at night. So it's fine. The temperature is still monitored. Unless they were actually physically turning them off...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,722
    CatMan said:

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    “ The Strait Of Hormuz Isn't As Closed As You Think “ - Mike Baker podcast.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwmab0zcouU&ra=m

    TL:DR the Americans have effectively opened a shipping route close to the Oman coast.

    The numbers of transits they are quoting through Trump's back channel are subject to various limitations according to industry sources (eg coming out but not really going in through Hormuz).

    https://youtu.be/0kbISkINGBQ?t=1439
    Ewwwwwwwww
    The native habitat of his cabinet, and Farage.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,537
    Sam Bankman-Fried, the one-time giant in cryptocurrencies currently in prison for fraud, has applied for a pardon from President Donald Trump.

    Bankman-Fried was given a 25-year sentence after he was convicted of multiple federal charges related to FTX, the cryptocurrency exchange that he founded and led, and its related company Alameda Research.

    Just two years into that sentence, the 34-year-old former billionaire has now filed an application for pardon after completion of sentence to the Department of Justice, according to online records.

    Should Bankman-Fried ultimately receive a pardon, his crimes would essentially be forgiven under the law.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjwgd6jqd5do
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,280
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    Out of touch eco-warrior.
    No, Zack may have a point, whether you view too-low prices as a sign of exploitation or low quality. I've been of this view since one place was maintaining its low prices by turning its freezers off at night.

    (Hmm. Wasn't there a food poisoning story recently?)
    More than 80 struck down in major UK and Europe salmonella outbreak linked to instant noodles
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/39339109/uk-europe-salmonella-instant-noodles/

    NHS England figures do show that more people are seeking hospital treatment for more serious food poisoning symptoms.
    https://www.dailymail.com/health/article-15879505/sickening-truth-Britain-food-poisoning-epidemic-surging-reveal.html

    Salmonella cases in England at a decade high
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/salmonella-cases-in-england-at-a-decade-high
    Quite good really - those people will have guts of steel for life after that.
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