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European electorates are an ornery bunch – politicalbetting.com

How popular are European leaders in their own countries??? Frederiksen: -10 net favourable (down 8pts from April)?? Meloni: -17 (up 5pts)?? Sanchez: -22 (down 1pt)?? Starmer: -51 (down 7pts)?? Macron: -60 (down 11pts)?? Merz: -64 (down 12pts)yougov.com/en-gb/articl…

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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,721
    edited 3:43PM
    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,257
    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/jorgeliboreiro/status/2063993332112453905

    Ireland is battling a PR nightmare over its continued sales of alumina to Russia.

    The scandal comes as Dublin prepares to take the reins of the EU Council presidency.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Put_on_the_green_jersey

    So common they have a phrase for it, and that phrase has a Wikipedia page.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,872
    edited 3:47PM
    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    That's PR for you. No one is getting what they want. At least here, around a third of the voters are getting what they wanted.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,210
    Ironic Starmer, Macron and Merz have so many meetings, but are the bottom 3 leaders in favourability
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,894
    An interesting cultural phenomenon taking France by storm:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78q215vyd7o

    Giant banquets rile radical left in France
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,837
    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    "Please! I like America!"
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,721
    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    That's PR for you. No one is getting what they want. At least here, around a third of the voters are getting what they wanted.
    Not evidenced in the header.
    They're are about to kick out the guy who delivered it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,572
    Peruvian election - dead heat, with a count ongoing, and overseas votes critical.

    One exit poll puts Roberto Sánchez on just over 50% - but there are still 8% of votes to count.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,572
    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    That's PR for you. No one is getting what they want. At least here, around a third of the voters are getting what they wanted.
    Not evidenced in the header.
    They're are about to kick out the guy who delivered it.
    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    That's PR for you. No one is getting what they want. At least here, around a third of the voters are getting what they wanted.
    Not evidenced in the header.
    They're are about to kick out the guy who delivered it.
    Germany is having a nasty crisis - from the export superpower of Europe to years of economic crisis.

    The industrial national champions have been especially hard hit.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,438
    Malmesbury said:

    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    That's PR for you. No one is getting what they want. At least here, around a third of the voters are getting what they wanted.
    Not evidenced in the header.
    They're are about to kick out the guy who delivered it.
    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    That's PR for you. No one is getting what they want. At least here, around a third of the voters are getting what they wanted.
    Not evidenced in the header.
    They're are about to kick out the guy who delivered it.
    Germany is having a nasty crisis - from the export superpower of Europe to years of economic crisis.

    The industrial national champions have been especially hard hit.
    If only Germany hadn't Brexited....

    Oh.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,819
    No one seems to get honeymood periods anymore. People expect a lot and they want it right away, as they are promised to get their votes.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,884
    MarqueeMark said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    That's PR for you. No one is getting what they want. At least here, around a third of the voters are getting what they wanted.
    Not evidenced in the header.
    They're are about to kick out the guy who delivered it.
    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    That's PR for you. No one is getting what they want. At least here, around a third of the voters are getting what they wanted.
    Not evidenced in the header.
    They're are about to kick out the guy who delivered it.
    Germany is having a nasty crisis - from the export superpower of Europe to years of economic crisis.

    The industrial national champions have been especially hard hit.
    If only Germany hadn't Brexited....

    Oh.
    Brexit damages the EU too. Thats what trade barriers do.

    But mainly it is the technological lead over China that is lost. China is dominating the new industries of EV's etc.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,615
    edited 4:11PM
    Malmesbury said:

    Peruvian election - dead heat, with a count ongoing, and overseas votes critical.

    One exit poll puts Roberto Sánchez on just over 50% - but there are still 8% of votes to count.

    93% counted and the lead is 0.19% to Sanchez.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,615
    edited 4:13PM
    Duplicate.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,467
    I have some friends in Munich, which is a remarkably clean and well run city to my eye. To their eye Germany is "lost" and they have a house over here they spend a lot of time in. They are particularly riled by the decision to stop nuclear given Germany now just buys nuclear from France.

    On the flip side I've loads of British friends who think Britain is a dystopia and would like to move to Germany. Even I am eying a retirement in New England despite my (possibly visa denying) comments about Trump.

    You can't please people nowadays. The grass is always greener etc etc.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,572
    dixiedean said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Peruvian election - dead heat, with a count ongoing, and overseas votes critical.

    One exit poll puts Roberto Sánchez on just over 50% - but there are still 8% of votes to count.

    93% counted and the lead is 0.19% to Sanchez.
    So his lead is going down. Interesting.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,491
    FPT:

    "Ireland is battling a PR nightmare"

    Yes, it takes far too long to count the votes under STV.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,706
    carnforth said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/jorgeliboreiro/status/2063993332112453905

    Ireland is battling a PR nightmare over its continued sales of alumina to Russia.

    The scandal comes as Dublin prepares to take the reins of the EU Council presidency.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Put_on_the_green_jersey

    So common they have a phrase for it, and that phrase has a Wikipedia page.
    EU should be sanctioning the f*** out of that Russian-owned alumina factory, and their ships that take it away.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,249
    edited 4:21PM
    DougSeal said:

    I have some friends in Munich, which is a remarkably clean and well run city to my eye. To their eye Germany is "lost" and they have a house over here they spend a lot of time in. They are particularly riled by the decision to stop nuclear given Germany now just buys nuclear from France.

    On the flip side I've loads of British friends who think Britain is a dystopia and would like to move to Germany. Even I am eying a retirement in New England despite my (possibly visa denying) comments about Trump.

    You can't please people nowadays. The grass is always greener etc etc.

    The longer I live in Ireland the more dysfunctional the politics and governance appears to be. I didn't have any particular illusions about it being well run when I moved here, but over time ones knowledge of particular scandals and failures builds up, and it has a cumulative effect on your sense of a place.

    I'd say there are lots of good reasons to move country, but unless you are moving from a dictatorship to a democracy*, moving country due to perceptions of how well run it is will only end in disappointment.

    * And the main advantage of a democracy is that you can complain about how badly run the place is without the risk of being sent to jail.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,572
    Malmesbury said:

    dixiedean said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Peruvian election - dead heat, with a count ongoing, and overseas votes critical.

    One exit poll puts Roberto Sánchez on just over 50% - but there are still 8% of votes to count.

    93% counted and the lead is 0.19% to Sanchez.
    So his lead is going down. Interesting.
    https://resultadosegundavuelta.onpe.gob.pe/main/resumen

    Crossover?

    50.020 %
    KEIKO SOFIA FUJIMORI HIGUCHI

    49.980 %
    ROBERTO HELBERT SANCHEZ PALOMINO
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,706
    Have a video of what a massive ammo dump in Belgorod looks like when it all goes off at the same time 🎇

    https://x.com/tendar/status/2064000632302739940
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,257
    https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/europa/ruestung-deutschland-frankreich-fcas-100.html

    FCAS is dead.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,572
    Keiko seems to have a lead in the overseas votes....

    57 - 43
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,572
    LostPassword said:

    DougSeal said:

    I have some friends in Munich, which is a remarkably clean and well run city to my eye. To their eye Germany is "lost" and they have a house over here they spend a lot of time in. They are particularly riled by the decision to stop nuclear given Germany now just buys nuclear from France.

    On the flip side I've loads of British friends who think Britain is a dystopia and would like to move to Germany. Even I am eying a retirement in New England despite my (possibly visa denying) comments about Trump.

    You can't please people nowadays. The grass is always greener etc etc.

    The longer I live in Ireland the more dysfunctional the politics and governance appears to be. I didn't have any particular illusions about it being well run when I moved here, but over time ones knowledge of particular scandals and failures builds up, and it has a cumulative effect on your sense of a place.

    I'd say there are lots of good reasons to move country, but unless you are moving from a dictatorship to a democracy*, moving country due to perceptions of how well run it is will only end in disappointment.

    * And the main advantage of a democracy is that you can complain about how badly run the place is without the risk of being sent to jail.
    Democracy is about having a coup every so often. A polite, tidy coup, without piles of dead bodies smelling the place up.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,895
    Malmesbury said:

    LostPassword said:

    DougSeal said:

    I have some friends in Munich, which is a remarkably clean and well run city to my eye. To their eye Germany is "lost" and they have a house over here they spend a lot of time in. They are particularly riled by the decision to stop nuclear given Germany now just buys nuclear from France.

    On the flip side I've loads of British friends who think Britain is a dystopia and would like to move to Germany. Even I am eying a retirement in New England despite my (possibly visa denying) comments about Trump.

    You can't please people nowadays. The grass is always greener etc etc.

    The longer I live in Ireland the more dysfunctional the politics and governance appears to be. I didn't have any particular illusions about it being well run when I moved here, but over time ones knowledge of particular scandals and failures builds up, and it has a cumulative effect on your sense of a place.

    I'd say there are lots of good reasons to move country, but unless you are moving from a dictatorship to a democracy*, moving country due to perceptions of how well run it is will only end in disappointment.

    * And the main advantage of a democracy is that you can complain about how badly run the place is without the risk of being sent to jail.
    Democracy is about having a coup every so often. A polite, tidy coup, without piles of dead bodies smelling the place up.
    How would you square your conclusion with (say) Iceland and (say) the UK?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,837
    williamglenn said:

    An interesting cultural phenomenon taking France by storm:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78q215vyd7o

    Giant banquets rile radical left in France

    Alsace = occupied Germany :lol:
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,963
    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    Not with fuel they are not...filled up outside Freiburg im Breisgau and it was 1.79.9 or 1.55 in real money. In France is 2.02 pls which is about as much as a rip.off as it is in Britain.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,894
    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”
  • PoodleInASlipstreamPoodleInASlipstream Posts: 818
    carnforth said:

    https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/europa/ruestung-deutschland-frankreich-fcas-100.html

    FCAS is dead.

    Going to be interesting to see what Germany does next.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,895
    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    Is he planning to come out with a vegetable equality mandate? That'd put all sorts of possible Green MPs under lots of local selectorial pressure.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,953
    Of those leaders all bar Meloni and Frederiksen see their parties trail in the polls (Macron cannot run again for French president but potential candidates from his party also trail Bardella for the 2027 election).

    Merz though will likely see his CDU still form a government with the SPD to keep out the AfD
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,572
    Omnium said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    Is he planning to come out with a vegetable equality mandate? That'd put all sorts of possible Green MPs under lots of local selectorial pressure.
    He is looking at the root of the problem?
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,158
    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    He's dangerously thick. Glad to see his popularity crashing.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,895
    Malmesbury said:

    Omnium said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    Is he planning to come out with a vegetable equality mandate? That'd put all sorts of possible Green MPs under lots of local selectorial pressure.
    He is looking at the root of the problem?
    Certainly spudding ideas.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,241
    Malmesbury said:

    Omnium said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    Is he planning to come out with a vegetable equality mandate? That'd put all sorts of possible Green MPs under lots of local selectorial pressure.
    He is looking at the root of the problem?
    Joe Root ?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,706
    “ The Strait Of Hormuz Isn't As Closed As You Think “ - Mike Baker podcast.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwmab0zcouU&ra=m

    TL:DR the Americans have effectively opened a shipping route close to the Oman coast.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,963
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    He's dangerously thick. Glad to see his popularity crashing.
    I think its worse than that. Something of the night about him
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,721
    Foxy said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    That's PR for you. No one is getting what they want. At least here, around a third of the voters are getting what they wanted.
    Not evidenced in the header.
    They're are about to kick out the guy who delivered it.
    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Afternoon all.

    The Germans are a miserable lot.

    That's PR for you. No one is getting what they want. At least here, around a third of the voters are getting what they wanted.
    Not evidenced in the header.
    They're are about to kick out the guy who delivered it.
    Germany is having a nasty crisis - from the export superpower of Europe to years of economic crisis.

    The industrial national champions have been especially hard hit.
    If only Germany hadn't Brexited....

    Oh.
    Brexit damages the EU too. Thats what trade barriers do.

    But mainly it is the technological lead over China that is lost. China is dominating the new industries of EV's etc.
    That and (for example) the loss of cheap gas from Russia.
    Germany still has a large chemical industry, whose margins have been absolutely laid waste by the massive increase in both feedstock and energy prices.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,895
    squareroot2 said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    He's dangerously thick. Glad to see his popularity crashing.
    I think its worse than that. Something of the night about him
    Howard that be?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,837
    Omnium said:

    squareroot2 said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    He's dangerously thick. Glad to see his popularity crashing.
    I think its worse than that. Something of the night about him
    Howard that be?
    Did you threaten to overrule him?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,894
    Omnium said:

    squareroot2 said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    He's dangerously thick. Glad to see his popularity crashing.
    I think its worse than that. Something of the night about him
    Howard that be?
    His policies will need to be checked with a fine Widdecombe.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,837
    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    Out of touch eco-warrior.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,241
    Sandpit said:

    “ The Strait Of Hormuz Isn't As Closed As You Think “ - Mike Baker podcast.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwmab0zcouU&ra=m

    TL:DR the Americans have effectively opened a shipping route close to the Oman coast.

    And Iran are letting ships through for an access fee.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,241
    squareroot2 said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    He's dangerously thick. Glad to see his popularity crashing.
    I think its worse than that. Something of the night about him
    He’s got the Billionaires and the Bond markets rattled !!!!

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,572
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    “ The Strait Of Hormuz Isn't As Closed As You Think “ - Mike Baker podcast.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwmab0zcouU&ra=m

    TL:DR the Americans have effectively opened a shipping route close to the Oman coast.

    And Iran are letting ships through for an access fee.
    How many Trumpcoin are the Americans charging, for theirs?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,895
    Taz said:

    squareroot2 said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”

    He's dangerously thick. Glad to see his popularity crashing.
    I think its worse than that. Something of the night about him
    He’s got the Billionaires and the Bond markets rattled !!!!

    These novelty politicians are a real threat. We, the voters, know that it's all a silly game and that we'll revert to the Tories (or if you're strange, then Labour) and things will go on much as they always have.

    However Jonny Foreigner, who nowadays we're massively in hock to, sees it differently.

    I think we need to tap Germany for reparations.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,200
    "I told Keir Starmer’s jobs chatbot I’m a parrot. It still wrote me a CV" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-jobs-chatbot-ai-63bl6rc96
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 269
    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”


    I'm actually in favour of certain essential items being available in supermarkets for 0p - e.g free.

    A carrot. An apple. A tin of basics beans. A small loaf of cheap sliced bread. A small packet of rich tea biscuits. 10 tea bags. A single economy toilet roll. A small pack of sanitary towels. A pint of long life milk. Possibly even a can of low ABV cheap lager.

    Products on which supermarkets make next to no margin anyway - if necessary the miniscule losses can be offset against their business rates or taxes.

    Obviously there would need to be limits per customer and it should be basic quality and limited quantity to make resale and profiteering impractical (like Amsterdam bicycles were at one point and maybe still are).

    This policy would render foodbanks and the associated complicated applications unnecessary, and ultimately eradicate absolute poverty. Nobody will starve - they'll always be able to get something basic to eat for free at Tesco Extra in the middle of the night.

    Yet Polanski is the deranged lefty and I'm the heartless right-winger...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,837
    KnightOut said:

    williamglenn said:

    Zack Polanski complains that food is too cheap

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2064014185776705584

    Zack Polanski has criticised supermarkets for selling vegetables for as little as 7p

    “This isn’t a sign of a healthy system… someone is being exploited somewhere”


    I'm actually in favour of certain essential items being available in supermarkets for 0p - e.g free.

    A carrot. An apple. A tin of basics beans. A small loaf of cheap sliced bread. A small packet of rich tea biscuits. 10 tea bags. A single economy toilet roll. A small pack of sanitary towels. A pint of long life milk. Possibly even a can of low ABV cheap lager.
    Are you a shoplifter? :lol:
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