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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,577

    Peru

    https://resultadosegundavuelta.onpe.gob.pe/main/presidenciales

    Now Palomino is a few thousand in front. 94% counted.

    Is Palomino the bad one or the worse one?
    Yes
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,545

    Peru

    https://resultadosegundavuelta.onpe.gob.pe/main/presidenciales

    Now Palomino is a few thousand in front. 94% counted.

    This is as close as Carmarthenshire in 1999.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,403

    Stokes & Atkinson investigated over nightclub incident - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c0ry801k2geo

    If they're found guilty (and they've obviously at least broken the curfew), then I reckon they would have to strip Stokes of the captaincy. Would they then give it to Bad Boy Brook?
    What a shambles.

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    1h
    I'm amazed they could find a club still open at 1.00 on a Monday morning in London these days...
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,801

    An interesting cultural phenomenon taking France by storm:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78q215vyd7o

    Giant banquets rile radical left in France

    A banquet of good food and alcohol? Sounds fun!

    I like the insinuation that pork is on a menu for a banquet of charcuterie and wine to exclude Muslims and vegetarians.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,631
    What's Mertz done wrong?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,829
    A case study in why resisting reasonable development entirely can come back to bite you (if the developer ploy here works)? Work in the system to resist where you can, don't just pretend the system doesn't exist because you don't like it.

    Council rejects 100 homes.

    Developer wins appeal for 75 homes.

    Developer then submits another 65 homes on the remaining land.

    End result? Residents could get 140 homes instead of the original 100. Now they claim they’re being “picked on”.


    https://nitter.poast.org/jakewg_/status/2063551764796752183#m
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,955
    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 28% (-1)
    LAB: 19% (+1)
    CON: 19% (-1)
    LDM: 14% (=)
    GRN: 12% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via
    @tweetfreshwater
    , 29-31 May.
    Changes w/ 9-10 May.

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/2064008756740989199?s=20
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,893

    What's Mertz done wrong?

    Been in the wrong place (government) at the wrong time (now).
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,577
    HYUFD said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 28% (-1)
    LAB: 19% (+1)
    CON: 19% (-1)
    LDM: 14% (=)
    GRN: 12% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via
    @tweetfreshwater
    , 29-31 May.
    Changes w/ 9-10 May.

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/2064008756740989199?s=20

    So noise...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,955
    'Conservative Party leader Kemi Badenoch helped stack shelves during a visit to an M&S store in Victoria, central London, where she was joined by the retailer's CEO Stuart Machin, on Monday (8 June).'

    https://x.com/Independent/status/2063979087794716752?s=20
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,631

    carnforth said:
    Going to be interesting to see what Germany does next.
    Evergreen comment.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,829
    Missed this story, but quite remarkable in some ways - not an easy choice for the people to make.

    For most candidates, campaigning on the loss of an ancestral homeland and advocating reconciliation with a longtime enemy would amount to political suicide. Not in Armenia. On Sunday, the prime minister, Nikol Pashinyan, secured re-election in the Caucasus nation of 3 million people, despite having led Armenia through a devastating military defeat to Azerbaijan just three years ago...

    To get there, however, Pashinyan has had to persuade Armenians to draw a line under the loss of Nagorno-Karabakh, the disputed territory that Armenian forces controlled for nearly three decades before Azerbaijan retook it by force in 2023, triggering an exodus of more than 100,000 ethnic Armenians.

    Days before the election, Pashinyan described his decision not to continue the struggle to reclaim Nagorno-Karabakh as one of his greatest achievements. “The most important thing that has happened is that the Republic of Armenia has been freed from the conflict trap,” he told supporters.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/08/pro-western-populist-nikol-pashinyan-retained-power-armenia?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,801

    What's Mertz done wrong?

    Been in the wrong place (government) at the wrong time (now).
    No sympathy for any politicians who complain that it is all too difficult. What did you think you were getting yourself in for when you sought power?

    If you try to please everyone you end up pleasing nobody, to govern is to choose and politicians who don't want to make any tough choices don't deserve any sympathy whatsoever.

    If you can't make it work, get out and have someone else try something different.

    Crap or get off the toilet.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,829
    HYUFD said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 28% (-1)
    LAB: 19% (+1)
    CON: 19% (-1)
    LDM: 14% (=)
    GRN: 12% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via
    @tweetfreshwater
    , 29-31 May.
    Changes w/ 9-10 May.

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/2064008756740989199?s=20

    I wish the British public would commit to a definitive position already, whatever it may be.

    I may come to regret those words.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,808
    edited 7:07PM
    HYUFD said:

    'Conservative Party leader Kemi Badenoch helped stack shelves during a visit to an M&S store in Victoria, central London, where she was joined by the retailer's CEO Stuart Machin, on Monday (8 June).'

    https://x.com/Independent/status/2063979087794716752?s=20

    I did my shopping there this lunchtime. Must have just missed her ...

    p.s. There were no black grapes. Should I register my complaint with her?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,829

    What's Mertz done wrong?

    Been in the wrong place (government) at the wrong time (now).
    No sympathy for any politicians who complain that it is all too difficult. What did you think you were getting yourself in for when you sought power?

    If you try to please everyone you end up pleasing nobody, to govern is to choose and politicians who don't want to make any tough choices don't deserve any sympathy whatsoever.

    If you can't make it work, get out and have someone else try something different.

    Crap or get off the toilet.
    I don't go quite that far. It is true many politicians don't want to make difficult choices, and they pander easy solutions to the public to obtain power. True leadership does require they be more honest with the public sometimes, and even persuade us to take other directions. And they have asked and been given power over us, so they need to be judged to high standards as befits that responsibility.

    But I also don't entirely reject that some matters are beyond their control or even ability to mitigate and yet they will be held responsible for, and acknowledge that honesty about problems and available options is electorally suboptimal at best.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,829
    HYUFD said:

    'Conservative Party leader Kemi Badenoch helped stack shelves during a visit to an M&S store in Victoria, central London, where she was joined by the retailer's CEO Stuart Machin, on Monday (8 June).'

    https://x.com/Independent/status/2063979087794716752?s=20

    I preferred Trump's McDonalds stunt.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,841
    HYUFD said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 28% (-1)
    LAB: 19% (+1)
    CON: 19% (-1)
    LDM: 14% (=)
    GRN: 12% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via
    @tweetfreshwater
    , 29-31 May.
    Changes w/ 9-10 May.

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/2064008756740989199?s=20

    Broken, sleazy, broken Reform and Tories on the slide!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,829

    Windsor Davies latest:



    WarMonitor🇺🇦🇬🇧
    @WarMonitor3
    ·
    3h
    Russian forces according to reports are being forced to withdraw on mass from positions around the Kinburn Spit south of the Dnipro river due to severe supply difficulties caused by continued Ukrainian drone strike campaigns on Southern logistical routes.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2064011164040806673

    You love to see it.

    Hopefully the Ukrainians can capitalize meaningfully even with manpower difficulties.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,841
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Conservative Party leader Kemi Badenoch helped stack shelves during a visit to an M&S store in Victoria, central London, where she was joined by the retailer's CEO Stuart Machin, on Monday (8 June).'

    https://x.com/Independent/status/2063979087794716752?s=20

    I preferred Trump's McDonalds stunt.
    Crappy Meal?
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,821
    Battlebus said:

    An interesting cultural phenomenon taking France by storm:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78q215vyd7o

    Giant banquets rile radical left in France

    They're revolting ...

    Had an interesting conversation with a French friend about Troyes Cathedral. Unlike say Canterbury* or a number of European Cathedrals there are virtually no statues on the outside. The reason was that they were smashed during the French Revolution and no one wants to put statues back up again. She seemed quite insistent that there was a clear divide between personal freedom and what the church/state wanted to impose on you. Hence they are always revolting.

    Perhaps a lesson for the Brits.


    * Canterbury has QEII and Prince Philip on the outside but Charles III has not made the cut yet.
    York Minster also has a statue of QEII, high up by the west door. Perhaps it's an archdiocese thing?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,829
    edited 7:12PM

    Stokes & Atkinson investigated over nightclub incident - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c0ry801k2geo

    If they're found guilty (and they've obviously at least broken the curfew), then I reckon they would have to strip Stokes of the captaincy. Would they then give it to Bad Boy Brook?
    What a shambles.
    Stokes, you're 35, it's time to leave the nightclubs behind.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,441
    Scott_xP said:

    @oksii33.ukr.monster‬

    In Sevastopol, fuel will be sold only once a week, up to 20 liters via QR code, — the occupying authority

    https://bsky.app/profile/oksii33.ukr.monster/post/3mns6kf2xr22z

    Now its fuel.

    Next month, food.

    By August - water.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,262

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Conservative Party leader Kemi Badenoch helped stack shelves during a visit to an M&S store in Victoria, central London, where she was joined by the retailer's CEO Stuart Machin, on Monday (8 June).'

    https://x.com/Independent/status/2063979087794716752?s=20

    I preferred Trump's McDonalds stunt.
    Crappy Meal?
    Nappy meal was right there, Sunil.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,847
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Conservative Party leader Kemi Badenoch helped stack shelves during a visit to an M&S store in Victoria, central London, where she was joined by the retailer's CEO Stuart Machin, on Monday (8 June).'

    https://x.com/Independent/status/2063979087794716752?s=20

    I preferred Trump's McDonalds stunt.
    Didn't Kemi genuinely work in MaccieDs to pay herself through uni?

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,847
    HYUFD said:

    'Conservative Party leader Kemi Badenoch helped stack shelves during a visit to an M&S store in Victoria, central London, where she was joined by the retailer's CEO Stuart Machin, on Monday (8 June).'

    https://x.com/Independent/status/2063979087794716752?s=20

    It's nice that M and S are back on board with the Tories.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,249
    “ Important to give Stokes and Atkinson the benefit of the doubt. Given everything this week they probably just met an inconsistent bouncer”

    https://x.com/benjonescricket/status/2064043763522023777?s=61
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,249
    “ Important to give Stokes and Atkinson the benefit of the doubt. Given everything this week they probably just met an inconsistent bouncer”

    https://x.com/benjonescricket/status/2064043763522023777?s=61
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,847

    Scott_xP said:

    @oksii33.ukr.monster‬

    In Sevastopol, fuel will be sold only once a week, up to 20 liters via QR code, — the occupying authority

    https://bsky.app/profile/oksii33.ukr.monster/post/3mns6kf2xr22z

    Now its fuel.

    Next month, food.

    By August - water.
    And then in September Burnham becomes PM and it will all be fine again...

    Oh Crimea?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,847
    edited 7:20PM
    Deleted- like fuel in Crimea
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,977
    Scott_xP said:

    Sam Bankman-Fried, the one-time giant in cryptocurrencies currently in prison for fraud, has applied for a pardon from President Donald Trump.

    Bankman-Fried was given a 25-year sentence after he was convicted of multiple federal charges related to FTX, the cryptocurrency exchange that he founded and led, and its related company Alameda Research.

    Just two years into that sentence, the 34-year-old former billionaire has now filed an application for pardon after completion of sentence to the Department of Justice, according to online records.

    Should Bankman-Fried ultimately receive a pardon, his crimes would essentially be forgiven under the law.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjwgd6jqd5do

    Don't you still need a couple of million dollars to buy one of those?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,841
    carnforth said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Conservative Party leader Kemi Badenoch helped stack shelves during a visit to an M&S store in Victoria, central London, where she was joined by the retailer's CEO Stuart Machin, on Monday (8 June).'

    https://x.com/Independent/status/2063979087794716752?s=20

    I preferred Trump's McDonalds stunt.
    Crappy Meal?
    Nappy meal was right there, Sunil.
    Crappy Meal sounds better.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,977

    Windsor Davies latest:



    WarMonitor🇺🇦🇬🇧
    @WarMonitor3
    ·
    3h
    Russian forces according to reports are being forced to withdraw on mass from positions around the Kinburn Spit south of the Dnipro river due to severe supply difficulties caused by continued Ukrainian drone strike campaigns on Southern logistical routes.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2064011164040806673

    This is just the start. It is highly likely by later this year that the Russians will have to withdraw from Crimea due to lack of supplies, fuel and even water. They have lost this war and it is getting worse for them by the week. Zelenskyy must have been very confident that Putin would reject his latest peace offer or he wouldn't have made it. He was right.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,977
    Taz said:

    “ Important to give Stokes and Atkinson the benefit of the doubt. Given everything this week they probably just met an inconsistent bouncer”

    https://x.com/benjonescricket/status/2064043763522023777?s=61

    Stokes frankly doesn't deserve his place in the side on current form. He remains an excellent captain though. And Atkinson is well worth his place.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,977
    kle4 said:

    Stokes & Atkinson investigated over nightclub incident - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c0ry801k2geo

    If they're found guilty (and they've obviously at least broken the curfew), then I reckon they would have to strip Stokes of the captaincy. Would they then give it to Bad Boy Brook?
    What a shambles.
    Stokes, you're 35, it's time to leave the nightclubs behind.
    And the drink. If he wants to extend his career another few years he is going to need to start looking after himself.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,829
    DavidL said:

    Windsor Davies latest:



    WarMonitor🇺🇦🇬🇧
    @WarMonitor3
    ·
    3h
    Russian forces according to reports are being forced to withdraw on mass from positions around the Kinburn Spit south of the Dnipro river due to severe supply difficulties caused by continued Ukrainian drone strike campaigns on Southern logistical routes.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2064011164040806673

    This is just the start. It is highly likely by later this year that the Russians will have to withdraw from Crimea due to lack of supplies, fuel and even water. They have lost this war and it is getting worse for them by the week. Zelenskyy must have been very confident that Putin would reject his latest peace offer or he wouldn't have made it. He was right.
    Withdraw from Crimea sounds wildly optimistic, consider how much territory there is just to even get to Crimea. If they could even close the landbridge (the goal of the full scale counter offensive a few years ago which failed), that would be a tremendous achievement surely, not sure that is even something they would be contemplating.

    Be wary of Russia closing the drone innovation gap.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,441
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 28% (-1)
    LAB: 19% (+1)
    CON: 19% (-1)
    LDM: 14% (=)
    GRN: 12% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via
    @tweetfreshwater
    , 29-31 May.
    Changes w/ 9-10 May.

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/2064008756740989199?s=20

    I wish the British public would commit to a definitive position already, whatever it may be.

    I may come to regret those words.
    Their position is clear: About 65+% have no wish to vote for a far right party. Even more have no wish to vote for a far left party, but we knew that anyway. If the 65% vote intelligently centrist moderation of outstanding dullness will thankfully sweep the country in a tidal wave of inertia.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,977
    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    Windsor Davies latest:



    WarMonitor🇺🇦🇬🇧
    @WarMonitor3
    ·
    3h
    Russian forces according to reports are being forced to withdraw on mass from positions around the Kinburn Spit south of the Dnipro river due to severe supply difficulties caused by continued Ukrainian drone strike campaigns on Southern logistical routes.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2064011164040806673

    This is just the start. It is highly likely by later this year that the Russians will have to withdraw from Crimea due to lack of supplies, fuel and even water. They have lost this war and it is getting worse for them by the week. Zelenskyy must have been very confident that Putin would reject his latest peace offer or he wouldn't have made it. He was right.
    Withdraw from Crimea sounds wildly optimistic, consider how much territory there is just to even get to Crimea. If they could even close the landbridge (the goal of the full scale counter offensive a few years ago which failed), that would be a tremendous achievement surely, not sure that is even something they would be contemplating.

    Be wary of Russia closing the drone innovation gap.
    Russia cannot supply Crimea. They cannot defend Crimea. Ukraine doesn't need to capture all the land in between for the Russian position there to become untenable. Drones are in the process of changing warfare as we watch. Gathering together a force large enough to attack now is nothing short of suicidal. Supplying it is pretty much impossible. The front line is 100km deep and nothing in that territory is remotely safe. How do you fight any sort of conventional war in such circumstances?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,893
    DavidL said:

    Windsor Davies latest:



    WarMonitor🇺🇦🇬🇧
    @WarMonitor3
    ·
    3h
    Russian forces according to reports are being forced to withdraw on mass from positions around the Kinburn Spit south of the Dnipro river due to severe supply difficulties caused by continued Ukrainian drone strike campaigns on Southern logistical routes.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2064011164040806673

    This is just the start. It is highly likely by later this year that the Russians will have to withdraw from Crimea due to lack of supplies, fuel and even water. They have lost this war and it is getting worse for them by the week. Zelenskyy must have been very confident that Putin would reject his latest peace offer or he wouldn't have made it. He was right.
    And the consequences of that would do more for the popularity of Western governments than most of the actions they can take for themselves.

    Success is more about right place/right time than we might want to be the case.
  • DavidL said:

    Taz said:

    “ Important to give Stokes and Atkinson the benefit of the doubt. Given everything this week they probably just met an inconsistent bouncer”

    https://x.com/benjonescricket/status/2064043763522023777?s=61

    Stokes frankly doesn't deserve his place in the side on current form. He remains an excellent captain though. And Atkinson is well worth his place.
    Stokes is basically only there as a bowler at the moment. His batting has been pretty average for at least a couple of years now.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,977

    DavidL said:

    Windsor Davies latest:



    WarMonitor🇺🇦🇬🇧
    @WarMonitor3
    ·
    3h
    Russian forces according to reports are being forced to withdraw on mass from positions around the Kinburn Spit south of the Dnipro river due to severe supply difficulties caused by continued Ukrainian drone strike campaigns on Southern logistical routes.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2064011164040806673

    This is just the start. It is highly likely by later this year that the Russians will have to withdraw from Crimea due to lack of supplies, fuel and even water. They have lost this war and it is getting worse for them by the week. Zelenskyy must have been very confident that Putin would reject his latest peace offer or he wouldn't have made it. He was right.
    And the consequences of that would do more for the popularity of Western governments than most of the actions they can take for themselves.

    Success is more about right place/right time than we might want to be the case.
    Yes, Starmer has many, many faults principal amongst which is that he is seriously unlucky. As usual, Napoleon was right.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,886

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Conservative Party leader Kemi Badenoch helped stack shelves during a visit to an M&S store in Victoria, central London, where she was joined by the retailer's CEO Stuart Machin, on Monday (8 June).'

    https://x.com/Independent/status/2063979087794716752?s=20

    I preferred Trump's McDonalds stunt.
    Didn't Kemi genuinely work in MaccieDs to pay herself through uni?

    A summer job as a sixth former. She became working class that way.

    https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-claims-she-became-working-class-after-securing-a-job-at-mcdonalds-as-a-teenager-13217266
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,977

    DavidL said:

    Taz said:

    “ Important to give Stokes and Atkinson the benefit of the doubt. Given everything this week they probably just met an inconsistent bouncer”

    https://x.com/benjonescricket/status/2064043763522023777?s=61

    Stokes frankly doesn't deserve his place in the side on current form. He remains an excellent captain though. And Atkinson is well worth his place.
    Stokes is basically only there as a bowler at the moment. His batting has been pretty average for at least a couple of years now.
    And he got one wicket in a seamers paradise in the last test. Not even fourth bowler level.

    He had several years as the best all rounder in the world and created some of the most memorable moments in English cricketing history but time waits for no man and moves faster for those who drink and act stupidly thereafter.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,062
    Scott_xP said:

    @oksii33.ukr.monster‬

    In Sevastopol, fuel will be sold only once a week, up to 20 liters via QR code, — the occupying authority

    https://bsky.app/profile/oksii33.ukr.monster/post/3mns6kf2xr22z

    Be interesting to track the time from this story to the Telegraph translating it to 'Stevenage' and getting clicks from gullible people in the States.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,847
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Conservative Party leader Kemi Badenoch helped stack shelves during a visit to an M&S store in Victoria, central London, where she was joined by the retailer's CEO Stuart Machin, on Monday (8 June).'

    https://x.com/Independent/status/2063979087794716752?s=20

    I preferred Trump's McDonalds stunt.
    Didn't Kemi genuinely work in MaccieDs to pay herself through uni?

    A summer job as a sixth former. She became working class that way.

    https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-claims-she-became-working-class-after-securing-a-job-at-mcdonalds-as-a-teenager-13217266
    Very impressive.

    If it doesn't work out as LOTO, and it has been touch and go, she could always get a job at Marksies now.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,927

    What's Mertz done wrong?

    I recall Merz was pretty unpopular even when he ‘won’ the the chancellorship. Think of him as Starmer under PR.
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Taz said:

    “ Important to give Stokes and Atkinson the benefit of the doubt. Given everything this week they probably just met an inconsistent bouncer”

    https://x.com/benjonescricket/status/2064043763522023777?s=61

    Stokes frankly doesn't deserve his place in the side on current form. He remains an excellent captain though. And Atkinson is well worth his place.
    Stokes is basically only there as a bowler at the moment. His batting has been pretty average for at least a couple of years now.
    And he got one wicket in a seamers paradise in the last test. Not even fourth bowler level.

    He had several years as the best all rounder in the world and created some of the most memorable moments in English cricketing history but time waits for no man and moves faster for those who drink and act stupidly thereafter.
    I’m not sure I really agree with you that he’s that good of a captain either. Several times he’s been shown to be pretty inept.

    I don’t think there is anyone yet that would do better so I’m not saying he should quit but what worries me with this side is that they basically rely on Root and Stokes. And one is out of form so it’s a big gamble.

    The side playing last week would have been steamrolled by Australia.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,847
    edited 7:52PM

    Scott_xP said:

    @oksii33.ukr.monster‬

    In Sevastopol, fuel will be sold only once a week, up to 20 liters via QR code, — the occupying authority

    https://bsky.app/profile/oksii33.ukr.monster/post/3mns6kf2xr22z

    Now its fuel.

    Next month, food.

    By August - water.
    Crimea river.
    Post of the week!
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,062
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    Windsor Davies latest:



    WarMonitor🇺🇦🇬🇧
    @WarMonitor3
    ·
    3h
    Russian forces according to reports are being forced to withdraw on mass from positions around the Kinburn Spit south of the Dnipro river due to severe supply difficulties caused by continued Ukrainian drone strike campaigns on Southern logistical routes.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2064011164040806673

    This is just the start. It is highly likely by later this year that the Russians will have to withdraw from Crimea due to lack of supplies, fuel and even water. They have lost this war and it is getting worse for them by the week. Zelenskyy must have been very confident that Putin would reject his latest peace offer or he wouldn't have made it. He was right.
    Withdraw from Crimea sounds wildly optimistic, consider how much territory there is just to even get to Crimea. If they could even close the landbridge (the goal of the full scale counter offensive a few years ago which failed), that would be a tremendous achievement surely, not sure that is even something they would be contemplating.

    Be wary of Russia closing the drone innovation gap.
    Russia cannot supply Crimea. They cannot defend Crimea. Ukraine doesn't need to capture all the land in between for the Russian position there to become untenable. Drones are in the process of changing warfare as we watch. Gathering together a force large enough to attack now is nothing short of suicidal. Supplying it is pretty much impossible. The front line is 100km deep and nothing in that territory is remotely safe. How do you fight any sort of conventional war in such circumstances?
    The MoD will find a very, very expensive way - never fear!
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,249

    Scott_xP said:

    @oksii33.ukr.monster‬

    In Sevastopol, fuel will be sold only once a week, up to 20 liters via QR code, — the occupying authority

    https://bsky.app/profile/oksii33.ukr.monster/post/3mns6kf2xr22z

    Now its fuel.

    Next month, food.

    By August - water.
    Crimea river.
    Post of the week!
    Yes, it’s a first class one.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,977
    kle4 said:

    A case study in why resisting reasonable development entirely can come back to bite you (if the developer ploy here works)? Work in the system to resist where you can, don't just pretend the system doesn't exist because you don't like it.

    Council rejects 100 homes.

    Developer wins appeal for 75 homes.

    Developer then submits another 65 homes on the remaining land.

    End result? Residents could get 140 homes instead of the original 100. Now they claim they’re being “picked on”.


    https://nitter.poast.org/jakewg_/status/2063551764796752183#m

    No sympathy for NIMBYs
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,977

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Taz said:

    “ Important to give Stokes and Atkinson the benefit of the doubt. Given everything this week they probably just met an inconsistent bouncer”

    https://x.com/benjonescricket/status/2064043763522023777?s=61

    Stokes frankly doesn't deserve his place in the side on current form. He remains an excellent captain though. And Atkinson is well worth his place.
    Stokes is basically only there as a bowler at the moment. His batting has been pretty average for at least a couple of years now.
    And he got one wicket in a seamers paradise in the last test. Not even fourth bowler level.

    He had several years as the best all rounder in the world and created some of the most memorable moments in English cricketing history but time waits for no man and moves faster for those who drink and act stupidly thereafter.
    I’m not sure I really agree with you that he’s that good of a captain either. Several times he’s been shown to be pretty inept.

    I don’t think there is anyone yet that would do better so I’m not saying he should quit but what worries me with this side is that they basically rely on Root and Stokes. And one is out of form so it’s a big gamble.

    The side playing last week would have been steamrolled by Australia.
    Brook is one of the highest ranked batsman in the world at the moment in all formats. He is the future of English cricket and will be the main man for a decade.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,312
    On topic: It should be said that Meloni's ratings hovered in the -teens even at the point she was elected. Multi party politics does dictate that you can readily get elected without being that popular. In that respect Starmer was ahead of the polls.

    The flatness of the personal ratings in Italy is also borne out by polling that, apart from a small adjustment when the Euro elections delivered some small scale winners and losers, has been amazingly static for over 3 years.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,726

    What's Mertz done wrong?

    In charge at the wrong time ?
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,821

    DavidL said:

    Windsor Davies latest:



    WarMonitor🇺🇦🇬🇧
    @WarMonitor3
    ·
    3h
    Russian forces according to reports are being forced to withdraw on mass from positions around the Kinburn Spit south of the Dnipro river due to severe supply difficulties caused by continued Ukrainian drone strike campaigns on Southern logistical routes.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2064011164040806673

    This is just the start. It is highly likely by later this year that the Russians will have to withdraw from Crimea due to lack of supplies, fuel and even water. They have lost this war and it is getting worse for them by the week. Zelenskyy must have been very confident that Putin would reject his latest peace offer or he wouldn't have made it. He was right.
    And the consequences of that would do more for the popularity of Western governments than most of the actions they can take for themselves.

    Success is more about right place/right time than we might want to be the case.
    Interesting that Zelenskyy is aware of, and refers to, Reform councils taking down the Ukrainian flag in his latest interview.

    Yet another example (do we need more?) that Farage and his cronies really do represent something new and malignant in British public life.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,577
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    A case study in why resisting reasonable development entirely can come back to bite you (if the developer ploy here works)? Work in the system to resist where you can, don't just pretend the system doesn't exist because you don't like it.

    Council rejects 100 homes.

    Developer wins appeal for 75 homes.

    Developer then submits another 65 homes on the remaining land.

    End result? Residents could get 140 homes instead of the original 100. Now they claim they’re being “picked on”.


    https://nitter.poast.org/jakewg_/status/2063551764796752183#m

    No sympathy for NIMBYs
    Actually, I have sympathy for some of them. No facilities or infrastructure gets built to match the housing. Yes, there’s some. But not enough to improve on the existing shortages.

    Ironically, a man who has an employee to put toothpaste on his toothbrush gets this. And when he builds towns, includes infrastructure.

    Build the hospitals, GPs surgeries and rest. First. Before any houses. So the locals see an improvement in their lives early on.
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Taz said:

    “ Important to give Stokes and Atkinson the benefit of the doubt. Given everything this week they probably just met an inconsistent bouncer”

    https://x.com/benjonescricket/status/2064043763522023777?s=61

    Stokes frankly doesn't deserve his place in the side on current form. He remains an excellent captain though. And Atkinson is well worth his place.
    Stokes is basically only there as a bowler at the moment. His batting has been pretty average for at least a couple of years now.
    And he got one wicket in a seamers paradise in the last test. Not even fourth bowler level.

    He had several years as the best all rounder in the world and created some of the most memorable moments in English cricketing history but time waits for no man and moves faster for those who drink and act stupidly thereafter.
    I’m not sure I really agree with you that he’s that good of a captain either. Several times he’s been shown to be pretty inept.

    I don’t think there is anyone yet that would do better so I’m not saying he should quit but what worries me with this side is that they basically rely on Root and Stokes. And one is out of form so it’s a big gamble.

    The side playing last week would have been steamrolled by Australia.
    Brook is one of the highest ranked batsman in the world at the moment in all formats. He is the future of English cricket and will be the main man for a decade.
    Please, no.
  • DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    A case study in why resisting reasonable development entirely can come back to bite you (if the developer ploy here works)? Work in the system to resist where you can, don't just pretend the system doesn't exist because you don't like it.

    Council rejects 100 homes.

    Developer wins appeal for 75 homes.

    Developer then submits another 65 homes on the remaining land.

    End result? Residents could get 140 homes instead of the original 100. Now they claim they’re being “picked on”.


    https://nitter.poast.org/jakewg_/status/2063551764796752183#m

    No sympathy for NIMBYs
    Actually, I have sympathy for some of them. No facilities or infrastructure gets built to match the housing. Yes, there’s some. But not enough to improve on the existing shortages.

    Ironically, a man who has an employee to put toothpaste on his toothbrush gets this. And when he builds towns, includes infrastructure.

    Build the hospitals, GPs surgeries and rest. First. Before any houses. So the locals see an improvement in their lives early on.
    MNOs try and build infrastructure to improve phone signal then it gets rejected. Then the same people complain on Facebook that their signal is poor.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,841

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Conservative Party leader Kemi Badenoch helped stack shelves during a visit to an M&S store in Victoria, central London, where she was joined by the retailer's CEO Stuart Machin, on Monday (8 June).'

    https://x.com/Independent/status/2063979087794716752?s=20

    I preferred Trump's McDonalds stunt.
    Didn't Kemi genuinely work in MaccieDs to pay herself through uni?

    A summer job as a sixth former. She became working class that way.

    https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-claims-she-became-working-class-after-securing-a-job-at-mcdonalds-as-a-teenager-13217266
    Very impressive.

    If it doesn't work out as LOTO, and it has been touch and go, she could always get a job at Marksies now.
    This isn't just a LOTO, this an M & S LOTO.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,847
    Nice programme presented by Sir Gareth Southgate on BBC1 at the moment.

    What a guy!
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,704

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    A case study in why resisting reasonable development entirely can come back to bite you (if the developer ploy here works)? Work in the system to resist where you can, don't just pretend the system doesn't exist because you don't like it.

    Council rejects 100 homes.

    Developer wins appeal for 75 homes.

    Developer then submits another 65 homes on the remaining land.

    End result? Residents could get 140 homes instead of the original 100. Now they claim they’re being “picked on”.


    https://nitter.poast.org/jakewg_/status/2063551764796752183#m

    No sympathy for NIMBYs
    Actually, I have sympathy for some of them. No facilities or infrastructure gets built to match the housing. Yes, there’s some. But not enough to improve on the existing shortages.

    Ironically, a man who has an employee to put toothpaste on his toothbrush gets this. And when he builds towns, includes infrastructure.

    Build the hospitals, GPs surgeries and rest. First. Before any houses. So the locals see an improvement in their lives early on.
    You and I both know the economics of construction, especially but not exclusively in London, preclude much in the way of "generosity" from developers.

    Indeed, the current state of the housing market would make anyone think twice before going into development. Combined with recent changes in the rental market, there is a lot of property coming onto the market so why should we be sanctioning excessive new developments when the current sale stock isn't shifting?
  • Actually, I have sympathy for some of them. No facilities or infrastructure gets built to match the housing. Yes, there’s some. But not enough to improve on the existing shortages.

    A developer wanted to build 240 houses on the outskirts of my village, which has a population of 4000. No new infrastructure at all. They were just going to plunk the whole thing down and feed all the extra traffic into an already congested B road.

    Villagers kicked up such a shitstorm the council unanimously refused permission. The developers appealed to the Scottish Government, who fortunately told them to get lost.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,240
    edited 8:24PM

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Conservative Party leader Kemi Badenoch helped stack shelves during a visit to an M&S store in Victoria, central London, where she was joined by the retailer's CEO Stuart Machin, on Monday (8 June).'

    https://x.com/Independent/status/2063979087794716752?s=20

    I preferred Trump's McDonalds stunt.
    Didn't Kemi genuinely work in MaccieDs to pay herself through uni?

    A summer job as a sixth former. She became working class that way.

    https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-claims-she-became-working-class-after-securing-a-job-at-mcdonalds-as-a-teenager-13217266
    Very impressive.

    If it doesn't work out as LOTO, and it has been touch and go, she could always get a job at Marksies now.
    Would that be after her parents flew her in to the UK to take exams here as Nigerian education was crap.

    Was it before the American University, that's a College offered her a Scholarship on a Course that didn't exist at a place that didn't do scholarships and deny any record of her.

    Maybe Grant Shapps sold her a Michael Green certificate with her pocket money from McDonald's.

    It's very good of her to advertise an excellent LABOUR POLICY though.


  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,049

    Scott_xP said:

    @oksii33.ukr.monster‬

    In Sevastopol, fuel will be sold only once a week, up to 20 liters via QR code, — the occupying authority

    https://bsky.app/profile/oksii33.ukr.monster/post/3mns6kf2xr22z

    Now its fuel.

    Next month, food.

    By August - water.
    Crimea river.
    I see a future thread title there ©TSE
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,202
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    A case study in why resisting reasonable development entirely can come back to bite you (if the developer ploy here works)? Work in the system to resist where you can, don't just pretend the system doesn't exist because you don't like it.

    Council rejects 100 homes.

    Developer wins appeal for 75 homes.

    Developer then submits another 65 homes on the remaining land.

    End result? Residents could get 140 homes instead of the original 100. Now they claim they’re being “picked on”.


    https://nitter.poast.org/jakewg_/status/2063551764796752183#m

    No sympathy for NIMBYs
    What about local democracy?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,847
    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Conservative Party leader Kemi Badenoch helped stack shelves during a visit to an M&S store in Victoria, central London, where she was joined by the retailer's CEO Stuart Machin, on Monday (8 June).'

    https://x.com/Independent/status/2063979087794716752?s=20

    I preferred Trump's McDonalds stunt.
    Didn't Kemi genuinely work in MaccieDs to pay herself through uni?

    A summer job as a sixth former. She became working class that way.

    https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-claims-she-became-working-class-after-securing-a-job-at-mcdonalds-as-a-teenager-13217266
    Very impressive.

    If it doesn't work out as LOTO, and it has been touch and go, she could always get a job at Marksies now.
    Would that be after her parents flew her in to the UK to take exams here as Nigerian education was crap.

    Was it before the American University, that's a College offered her a Scholarship on a Course that didn't exist at a place that didn't do scholarships and deny any record of her.

    Maybe Grant Shapps sold her a Michael Green certificate with her pocket money from McDonald's.

    Any parent looks out for their child. I haven't got a problem by with that. Do we know the Ivy League claim was BS?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,977
    Andy_JS said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    A case study in why resisting reasonable development entirely can come back to bite you (if the developer ploy here works)? Work in the system to resist where you can, don't just pretend the system doesn't exist because you don't like it.

    Council rejects 100 homes.

    Developer wins appeal for 75 homes.

    Developer then submits another 65 homes on the remaining land.

    End result? Residents could get 140 homes instead of the original 100. Now they claim they’re being “picked on”.


    https://nitter.poast.org/jakewg_/status/2063551764796752183#m

    No sympathy for NIMBYs
    What about local democracy?
    No sympathy for NIMBYs.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,726
    edited 8:30PM
    Powerful earthquake in southern Philippines leaves at least 35 dead

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/08/philippines-earthquake-mindanao-tsunami-warnings
    At least 35 people have died after a magnitude-7.8 earthquake shook part of the southern Philippines early on Monday, collapsing buildings and triggering tsunami alerts.

    The quake hit early in the morning about 20km (12.4 miles) off the coast of Sarangani province, with tremors felt strongly across Mindanao and 420km away in the city of Manado on the Indonesian island of Sulawesi.

    Authorities were verifying preliminary reports of 35 people killed and 144 injured across Mindanao, mostly from falling debris and landslides, according to civil defence officials. They told people not to enter damaged homes and other infrastructure because of the threat of aftershocks...
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,704

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Conservative Party leader Kemi Badenoch helped stack shelves during a visit to an M&S store in Victoria, central London, where she was joined by the retailer's CEO Stuart Machin, on Monday (8 June).'

    https://x.com/Independent/status/2063979087794716752?s=20

    I preferred Trump's McDonalds stunt.
    Didn't Kemi genuinely work in MaccieDs to pay herself through uni?

    A summer job as a sixth former. She became working class that way.

    https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-claims-she-became-working-class-after-securing-a-job-at-mcdonalds-as-a-teenager-13217266
    Very impressive.

    If it doesn't work out as LOTO, and it has been touch and go, she could always get a job at Marksies now.
    This isn't just a LOTO, this an M & S LOTO.
    Remember as she is an M&S politician, you can always take her back and exchange her if you've still got the original receipt.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,249
    This may get some consumer resistance

    “ Tom Brady has launched a new coconut water brand called "Good Nut" featuring the marketing slogan "It's a delicious mouthful."”

    https://x.com/valuetainment/status/2064011530547384518?s=61
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,494
    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    A case study in why resisting reasonable development entirely can come back to bite you (if the developer ploy here works)? Work in the system to resist where you can, don't just pretend the system doesn't exist because you don't like it.

    Council rejects 100 homes.

    Developer wins appeal for 75 homes.

    Developer then submits another 65 homes on the remaining land.

    End result? Residents could get 140 homes instead of the original 100. Now they claim they’re being “picked on”.


    https://nitter.poast.org/jakewg_/status/2063551764796752183#m

    No sympathy for NIMBYs
    What about local democracy?
    No sympathy for NIMBYs.
    I live nowhere near, and I am totally against the development.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,249
    stodge said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    A case study in why resisting reasonable development entirely can come back to bite you (if the developer ploy here works)? Work in the system to resist where you can, don't just pretend the system doesn't exist because you don't like it.

    Council rejects 100 homes.

    Developer wins appeal for 75 homes.

    Developer then submits another 65 homes on the remaining land.

    End result? Residents could get 140 homes instead of the original 100. Now they claim they’re being “picked on”.


    https://nitter.poast.org/jakewg_/status/2063551764796752183#m

    No sympathy for NIMBYs
    Actually, I have sympathy for some of them. No facilities or infrastructure gets built to match the housing. Yes, there’s some. But not enough to improve on the existing shortages.

    Ironically, a man who has an employee to put toothpaste on his toothbrush gets this. And when he builds towns, includes infrastructure.

    Build the hospitals, GPs surgeries and rest. First. Before any houses. So the locals see an improvement in their lives early on.
    You and I both know the economics of construction, especially but not exclusively in London, preclude much in the way of "generosity" from developers.

    Indeed, the current state of the housing market would make anyone think twice before going into development. Combined with recent changes in the rental market, there is a lot of property coming onto the market so why should we be sanctioning excessive new developments when the current sale stock isn't shifting?
    Who’s going to buy leasehold flats or retirement apartments given they are a money pit with service charges that are way in excess of the 1% of value rule for lending.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,929
    Andy_JS said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    A case study in why resisting reasonable development entirely can come back to bite you (if the developer ploy here works)? Work in the system to resist where you can, don't just pretend the system doesn't exist because you don't like it.

    Council rejects 100 homes.

    Developer wins appeal for 75 homes.

    Developer then submits another 65 homes on the remaining land.

    End result? Residents could get 140 homes instead of the original 100. Now they claim they’re being “picked on”.


    https://nitter.poast.org/jakewg_/status/2063551764796752183#m

    No sympathy for NIMBYs
    What about local democracy?
    Sadly I seem to repeat the same issue

    we have the same population as France but 7 million fewer homes..
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,886
    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Conservative Party leader Kemi Badenoch helped stack shelves during a visit to an M&S store in Victoria, central London, where she was joined by the retailer's CEO Stuart Machin, on Monday (8 June).'

    https://x.com/Independent/status/2063979087794716752?s=20

    I preferred Trump's McDonalds stunt.
    Didn't Kemi genuinely work in MaccieDs to pay herself through uni?

    A summer job as a sixth former. She became working class that way.

    https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-claims-she-became-working-class-after-securing-a-job-at-mcdonalds-as-a-teenager-13217266
    Very impressive.

    If it doesn't work out as LOTO, and it has been touch and go, she could always get a job at Marksies now.
    Would that be after her parents flew her in to the UK to take exams here as Nigerian education was crap.

    Was it before the American University, that's a College offered her a Scholarship on a Course that didn't exist at a place that didn't do scholarships and deny any record of her.

    Maybe Grant Shapps sold her a Michael Green certificate with her pocket money from McDonald's.

    It's very good of her to advertise an excellent LABOUR POLICY though.
    The private school she was at in Lagos is one of the best in Nigeria, being run for the befit of staff at the University.

    I suspect the reason she came to Britain at 16 to do her A levels was so she could establish residence for domestic rather than ovrrseas university fees.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,896
    https://x.com/AJNewbury94/status/2064056505154896054

    @KemiBadenoch has confirmed that the Conservative Party has not done an election deal with @RupertLowe10.

    However she has said that a deal was struck to put him on a select committee because he "wants to cut spending in a way that @Nigel_Farage doesn't."

    Speaking at a @spectator event in central London she said that where there was common ground she would work with other MPs.

    Mrs Badenoch added that she "wouldn't go that far" when asked if she would welcome Mr Lowe defecting to the party.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 22,107

    Peru

    https://resultadosegundavuelta.onpe.gob.pe/main/presidenciales

    Now Palomino is a few thousand in front. 94% counted.

    Seems now to be the final result with 100% counted.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,829
    edited 8:58PM
    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    A case study in why resisting reasonable development entirely can come back to bite you (if the developer ploy here works)? Work in the system to resist where you can, don't just pretend the system doesn't exist because you don't like it.

    Council rejects 100 homes.

    Developer wins appeal for 75 homes.

    Developer then submits another 65 homes on the remaining land.

    End result? Residents could get 140 homes instead of the original 100. Now they claim they’re being “picked on”.


    https://nitter.poast.org/jakewg_/status/2063551764796752183#m

    No sympathy for NIMBYs
    What about local democracy?
    No sympathy for NIMBYs.
    Well, not every objection is unreasonable, and developers will squeeze in a lot onto sites, aided by new national targets which were not planned for and so will result in a lot of less than great applications getting through. What I find amusing in this case is the developer possibly may not have even attempted to get so many, had they gotten the original permission - possibly the layout would have prevented it.
    Andy_JS said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    A case study in why resisting reasonable development entirely can come back to bite you (if the developer ploy here works)? Work in the system to resist where you can, don't just pretend the system doesn't exist because you don't like it.

    Council rejects 100 homes.

    Developer wins appeal for 75 homes.

    Developer then submits another 65 homes on the remaining land.

    End result? Residents could get 140 homes instead of the original 100. Now they claim they’re being “picked on”.


    https://nitter.poast.org/jakewg_/status/2063551764796752183#m

    No sympathy for NIMBYs
    What about local democracy?
    I'm afraid that planning is not an exercise in unfettered local democratic discretion. Any politician who has ever told you or intimated to you that it is, by emphasizing local democracy, has been lying to you to get your vote. No democratic right has been lost, it was never as expansive as they believed (albeit it is a part of it), it was always highly restricted and dependent on central government whim.

    You and many others may heartily dislike that being the case, but politicians should be more honest and not lie to people about what they can achieve - this example may not even have been politicians rejecting (I could not access the article for some reason), but many times they reject knowing full well that it will probably get overturned, meaning it happens but at greater cost to local residents due to legal costs, which is highly cynical of them.

    In planning policy the nature of objection matters a lot more than the number of objections, and any number of objections can be overwritten if national policy determines that it should.

    A major problem of our planning system is that it's main purpose is to say yes to things (and guide the nature of those things), but politicians present it to the public as a means of saying no to things.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,454

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    A case study in why resisting reasonable development entirely can come back to bite you (if the developer ploy here works)? Work in the system to resist where you can, don't just pretend the system doesn't exist because you don't like it.

    Council rejects 100 homes.

    Developer wins appeal for 75 homes.

    Developer then submits another 65 homes on the remaining land.

    End result? Residents could get 140 homes instead of the original 100. Now they claim they’re being “picked on”.


    https://nitter.poast.org/jakewg_/status/2063551764796752183#m

    No sympathy for NIMBYs
    Actually, I have sympathy for some of them. No facilities or infrastructure gets built to match the housing. Yes, there’s some. But not enough to improve on the existing shortages.

    Ironically, a man who has an employee to put toothpaste on his toothbrush gets this. And when he builds towns, includes infrastructure.

    Build the hospitals, GPs surgeries and rest. First. Before any houses. So the locals see an improvement in their lives early on.
    Yes. I've just been invited to sign a petition, not to stop housing development, but to ensure that the infrastructure is built first before the extra housing. Does that count as NIMBYism? Not in my book. Why isn't it standard practice?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,441
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    Windsor Davies latest:



    WarMonitor🇺🇦🇬🇧
    @WarMonitor3
    ·
    3h
    Russian forces according to reports are being forced to withdraw on mass from positions around the Kinburn Spit south of the Dnipro river due to severe supply difficulties caused by continued Ukrainian drone strike campaigns on Southern logistical routes.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2064011164040806673

    This is just the start. It is highly likely by later this year that the Russians will have to withdraw from Crimea due to lack of supplies, fuel and even water. They have lost this war and it is getting worse for them by the week. Zelenskyy must have been very confident that Putin would reject his latest peace offer or he wouldn't have made it. He was right.
    Withdraw from Crimea sounds wildly optimistic, consider how much territory there is just to even get to Crimea. If they could even close the landbridge (the goal of the full scale counter offensive a few years ago which failed), that would be a tremendous achievement surely, not sure that is even something they would be contemplating.

    Be wary of Russia closing the drone innovation gap.
    Russia cannot supply Crimea. They cannot defend Crimea. Ukraine doesn't need to capture all the land in between for the Russian position there to become untenable. Drones are in the process of changing warfare as we watch. Gathering together a force large enough to attack now is nothing short of suicidal. Supplying it is pretty much impossible. The front line is 100km deep and nothing in that territory is remotely safe. How do you fight any sort of conventional war in such circumstances?
    You don't. You fuck off back home.

    Unless your commanding officer is one Vladimir Putin.

    In which case, surrender.

    As I have suggested before, Zelenskyy should indicate to the commander of the Crimean garrison that he will take their surrender and allow his men - but no weapons - to leave over the Kerch Bridge... A time-limited offer.
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    AnneJGP said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    A case study in why resisting reasonable development entirely can come back to bite you (if the developer ploy here works)? Work in the system to resist where you can, don't just pretend the system doesn't exist because you don't like it.

    Council rejects 100 homes.

    Developer wins appeal for 75 homes.

    Developer then submits another 65 homes on the remaining land.

    End result? Residents could get 140 homes instead of the original 100. Now they claim they’re being “picked on”.


    https://nitter.poast.org/jakewg_/status/2063551764796752183#m

    No sympathy for NIMBYs
    Actually, I have sympathy for some of them. No facilities or infrastructure gets built to match the housing. Yes, there’s some. But not enough to improve on the existing shortages.

    Ironically, a man who has an employee to put toothpaste on his toothbrush gets this. And when he builds towns, includes infrastructure.

    Build the hospitals, GPs surgeries and rest. First. Before any houses. So the locals see an improvement in their lives early on.
    Yes. I've just been invited to sign a petition, not to stop housing development, but to ensure that the infrastructure is built first before the extra housing. Does that count as NIMBYism? Not in my book. Why isn't it standard practice?
    It's not inherently NIMBYism. It can be, since sometimes people also object to infrastructure being built beforehand because it means housing will follow so the 'it doesn't have the infrastructure argument is a figleaf', but I'd say it is more that local views on acceptability within policy terms can be quite misinformed through no fault of their own as to what the required standards are.

    Some local comments can be very good and very well informed, sites do get refused on that basis and upheld at appeal, but it is also very easy to google how to make an objection, and use stock arguments which don't really apply in the local context. NIMBYs, naturally, misuse legitimate arguments, by taking them too far, or as a cover for not wanting anything at all which is shown by actions like ignoring evidence of appropriate mitigation efforts/conditions to make sites acceptable.

    Local objections are very important, and have shaped and improved many applications, developers will ride roughshod over communities unless there is a way to pin them down. YIMBYs shouldn't assume every objection is illegitimate, but I will put it bluntly that oftentimes people online are a little bit credulous in assuming every objection is legitimate and trust the literal words.

    That's why it's fine to have a presumption, but be prepared to change your minds based on the specifics.
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