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  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 26,268
    Nigelb said:

    FF43 said:

    DavidL said:

    FPT...

    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    Employment rates (2022 figures):
    White 77%
    Black 69%

    Stop and search (2023 figures) per 100,000:
    White British 5.6
    Black 24.5

    Court judges (2024 figures) v working age population (2021 figures):
    White 89.6% v 80.7%
    Black 1.3% v 4.4%

    Median earnings (2022):
    White £14.35 per hour
    Black £13.53 per hour
    Employment - controlled for education?
    Stop and search - controlled for location, criminal tendency (ie gang membership) etc?
    Judges - controlled for age?
    Earnings - controlled for education?
    Those are all raw figures. Court judges is compared with the working age population.

    There are significant disparities in educational outcomes, including when controlling for relevant factors, e.g. https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/1339899/

    The ADR UK report linked to above does more in terms of trying to control for other factors.
    Raw figures are pretty meaningless.

    It’s a particular bugbear of mine that people look at the percentage of, say, court judges in their 60s who are black and say “it’s too low, we’re racist”.

    No. It just means that 35 years ago we had fewer black lawyers qualifying, and hence have a smaller pool of candidates for judges today. It will work itself out over time
    Raw figures are a good starting point. But, yes, these are complex phenomena where it can be difficult to know what factors are at play…

    … which is what I’ve been saying in reaction to the headless chickens running around claiming we have two tier policing and anti-white racism based on one event that we still don’t know the full details of.
    A totally fiat point. Here's another one. The incident was in December last year, essentially 6 months ago.
    So why hasn't the investigation into the policed conduct been completed? It didn't need to wait for the court case to finish, the outcome would not affect what happened on the night. If I had any power I'd be getting that report finished asap.

    But then the next problem will be if the report doesn't match the narrative for the far right, they will claim it's a whitewash. A better question might be how have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative?
    The IOPC investigation clearly cannot be published until the court case is finished. Certain facts in the report will depend on the court case's conclusion, so it can't be finished before the court case concludes (e.g., it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too). Hopefully, we will see the report soon.

    (I note that the IOPC's budget was cut by the Tories, more than a third in real terms since 2018, so that's going to make it harder for them to carry out thorough investigations in a timely manner.)

    It is clear that some on the right are not interested in reading anything that might contradict that on which they have already made up their mind. This was apparent on the previous thread.

    How have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative? Because the radical right in the US has been pushing a white grievance model, and the radical right in the UK have taken that up.
    As I'm a bit thick, why would this be true? " it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too". The actions of the officers on the night do not go back and change via quantum entanglement if Digwa is found guilty or innocent surely? I totally understand why the report could not be released before the conclusion of the trial for obvious reasons. But as an investigation of the actions of the police officers, why does Digwa's guilt or innocence matter?
    Can you not see a difference between "the police wrongly took the word of the murderer" and "the police wrongly took the word of someone who had been attacked by Nowak" (which was Digwa's defence AIUI)?
    No. There was a man lying on the ground with 4 stab wounds which would prove to be fatal. Who the F*** cares who or what he was? He needed urgent medical help. He did not need handcuffs.
    It's worth reading the judge's sentencing statement where he explains the police were seriously misled by the murderer and his brother and in his view acted reasonably. Murderers don't usually call the police to the crime scene, they had no reason to believe it was anything other than the two men claimed it to be. There was no visible wound when they put handcuffs on Nowak and the policeman was horrified when he found out Nowak had a serious injury a moment later.

    The police are being maligned, not least by politicians who should know better. The case is not remotely similar to George Floyd where the murderer was actually the policeman, nor to Stephen Lawrence where the police simply didn't bother to investigate properly because the victim was black.

    There will be, and should be, an investigation into the police operation and no doubt there will be some changes to procedure. It's not obvious from the sentencing remarks what generalised changes would have made a substantial difference to what happened to Henry Nowak, sadly.

    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Digwa-Final-Sentencing-Remarks.pdf
    The judge's remarks are fine as far as the circumstance go, but seem ignorant of existing police policy (and training) which would not have suggested the automatic handcuffing* of Nowak, even if he had been the assailant, and would have mandated a far more thorough assessment of his condition.

    *Handcuffing by the police, without reasonable justification, constitutes an assault.
    The circumstance here, with Nowak lying on the ground, do not seem to provide that justification.
    There is a more basic issue which I find troubling. Basic First Aid training tells you not to move an injured person - let alone drag them across the ground - which the police did. Why then did they do so? There seems to me no justification for that at all unless they could be certain he was not injured at all. And on the evidence in front of their eyes they could not be certain of that at all.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 26,268
    Incidentally re the post-Everard protests, the police were found by the courts to have exceeded their powers and acted unlawfully in how they treated some of the protesting women.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,856
    The problem for the other parties is that Reform are in the right.

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2062581400423850193

    Reform will END two tier policing by introducing the Equal Treatment Act
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,691
    stodge said:

    Andy_JS said:

    This is the Tory shadow secretary of state for justice and shadow lord chancellor.

    "Nick Timothy
    There is no equality before the law. Identity politics is hardwired into British justice
    The politics of racial and religious identity have corroded police judgment and warped our criminal justice system" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/04/equality-before-law-identity-politics-britain-courts

    He hasn't been sacked, so presumbably Kemi agrees?

    On one hand, give Kemi a bit of time.

    On the other- it highlights Kemi's problem. The intellectually coherent thing would be to sack Nick Timothy, and possibly hand him a map of Westminster with the route to Reform HQ helpfully marked in blue highlighter. But that has downsides.

    I still think she should do it, though.
    Quite clearly, there's a factional struggle emerging within the Conservatives.

    On the one hand, you have those who are basically Reform-lite and see a future joined or merged party as the single "right" political movement.

    On the other, you have Badenoch and others who see a revived Conservative Party as a distinct political vehicle from Reform not signing upto the populist elements of the Farage platform and indeed seeking to regain the mantle of moderate pragmatism which the party once enjoyed and indeed profited from electorally.
    The big difficulty with the latter is that Truss trashed their rep as safe with the money.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,132
    edited 7:24PM

    The problem for the other parties is that Reform are in the right.

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2062581400423850193

    Reform will END two tier policing by introducing the Equal Treatment Act

    What Equal Treatment Act?

    Edit: thought it said introduced by, never mind.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,654

    The problem for the other parties is that Reform are in the right.

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2062581400423850193

    Reform will END two tier policing by introducing the Equal Treatment Act

    how can you end something that doesn't exist?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,155
    "Jack Straw: Police anti-racism guidelines have gone too far
    Former home secretary admits there has been an ‘over-correction’ as outcry grows over murder of Henry Nowak" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/jack-straw-henry-nowak-police-racism-guidelines-too-far
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,856
    Tres said:

    The problem for the other parties is that Reform are in the right.

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2062581400423850193

    Reform will END two tier policing by introducing the Equal Treatment Act

    how can you end something that doesn't exist?
    That response shows why it's a winning issue for them. It's indefensible, so the only option is to pretend it doesn't exist.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,772

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2062565428237369539

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 27% (+2)
    GRN: 17% (-2)
    CON: 17% (-1)
    LAB: 15% (-1)
    LDM: 11% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 3-4 Jun.
    Changes w/ 27 May.

    Sleazy, broken Greens, Tories, Labour, and LibDems on the slide!
    It's FON. So weight accordingly.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,135
    Tres said:

    The problem for the other parties is that Reform are in the right.

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2062581400423850193

    Reform will END two tier policing by introducing the Equal Treatment Act

    how can you end something that doesn't exist?
    It's like ending political correctness ; the addressed issue may be nebulous, but the alleged cure may also enable you to do other, pro-active things in the direction you want.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,196

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Danny Kruger's attempt to provide an intellectual justification for Farage is risible but it's noticeable how much of a gap this has opened between Reform and the Conservatives.

    This obviously provides Badenoch (who is gambling politically as much as Burnham on Reform) with an opportunity. The opportunity is the possibility of establishing a clear niche as the alternative to BOTH Reform AND Labour. We still know very little of the policy details and the weight of the 2019-24 experience lags like an anchor but she has a chance to re-establish the Conservatives as the clear pragmatic moderate centre-"right" alternative.

    Politicisation of these events, however much Mark Nowak and others may wish it otherwise, is inevitable. There's an anger out there, call it a sense of injustice, frustration or whatever but it clearly exists and it is the basis of support for Reform and Restore (and others).

    Interesting thoughts.

    I think people also may need to think a liitle more about Badenoch's own position. The fact that she's on the Right doesn't mean she won't have experienced racism herself as a result of broad prejudices about black people, which she now sees Farage and Lowe apparently stirring up against another group.
    Badenoch is a serious Policy freezone

    Intellectually weak

    Considered lazy by those who have worked with her.

    Seems to work almost solely on X and within the Southeast of England.

    Odds on to lose her seat at the next GE if you extract Council result data

    Lightweight to the point that ever Starmer berates her as being irrelevant.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,654

    Tres said:

    The problem for the other parties is that Reform are in the right.

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2062581400423850193

    Reform will END two tier policing by introducing the Equal Treatment Act

    how can you end something that doesn't exist?
    That response shows why it's a winning issue for them. It's indefensible, so the only option is to pretend it doesn't exist.
    sounds like communist talk to me Mr Glenn
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,135
    edited 7:40PM
    Brixian59 said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Danny Kruger's attempt to provide an intellectual justification for Farage is risible but it's noticeable how much of a gap this has opened between Reform and the Conservatives.

    This obviously provides Badenoch (who is gambling politically as much as Burnham on Reform) with an opportunity. The opportunity is the possibility of establishing a clear niche as the alternative to BOTH Reform AND Labour. We still know very little of the policy details and the weight of the 2019-24 experience lags like an anchor but she has a chance to re-establish the Conservatives as the clear pragmatic moderate centre-"right" alternative.

    Politicisation of these events, however much Mark Nowak and others may wish it otherwise, is inevitable. There's an anger out there, call it a sense of injustice, frustration or whatever but it clearly exists and it is the basis of support for Reform and Restore (and others).

    Interesting thoughts.

    I think people also may need to think a liitle more about Badenoch's own position. The fact that she's on the Right doesn't mean she won't have experienced racism herself as a result of broad prejudices about black people, which she now sees Farage and Lowe apparently stirring up against another group.
    Badenoch is a serious Policy freezone

    Intellectually weak

    Considered lazy by those who have worked with her.

    Seems to work almost solely on X and within the Southeast of England.

    Odds on to lose her seat at the next GE if you extract Council result data

    Lightweight to the point that ever Starmer berates her as being irrelevant.
    Perhaps, but having lived most of her life in the U.K., may well also have experienced something like those lovely chaps from Southampton, herself at some point.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,155
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Danny Kruger's attempt to provide an intellectual justification for Farage is risible but it's noticeable how much of a gap this has opened between Reform and the Conservatives.

    This obviously provides Badenoch (who is gambling politically as much as Burnham on Reform) with an opportunity. The opportunity is the possibility of establishing a clear niche as the alternative to BOTH Reform AND Labour. We still know very little of the policy details and the weight of the 2019-24 experience lags like an anchor but she has a chance to re-establish the Conservatives as the clear pragmatic moderate centre-"right" alternative.

    Politicisation of these events, however much Mark Nowak and others may wish it otherwise, is inevitable. There's an anger out there, call it a sense of injustice, frustration or whatever but it clearly exists and it is the basis of support for Reform and Restore (and others).

    Not that much of a gap with Nick Timothy's comments.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,526
    Cyclefree said:

    Incidentally re the post-Everard protests, the police were found by the courts to have exceeded their powers and acted unlawfully in how they treated some of the protesting women.

    The enthusiasm with which the Police break the law for various matters is of interest - see refusal to destroy data on people, when requested by the courts. Or, more recently, contempt of court and conspiring to the same.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 26,268
    It is not in fact the judge's job to assess the reasonableness of the police's actions in the Nowak case. Nor whether they have committed some disciplinary offence etc. The judge does not have the evidence to do that since it is not relevant to the guilt of the defendant. The judge's remarks when he sentenced the murderer were to point out the consequences of his lies on the officers and therefore their treatment of Henry ie that not only did he murder him but his lies also made his last moments more distressing than they would have been have been because of their effect on the police.

    The IOPC should be looking at all the evidence re the police's actions.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,012

    Stephen Yaxley-Lennon says Sikhs are ok.

    Could make a reality TV game show around this. Get some patriot panellists on, and they could decide whether particular families are ok or to be deported. 4 deports and it happens for real, 4 oks they get a free meal at spoons.
    OMG. I can see it now. And Channel 4 as well - just for the last fainting vibes of edginess.

    No I think it would be Channel 5 or GBeebies. Channel 4 could do an alternative show where a panel of 12 Sikhs, decide if Tommy Robinson and various other patriots are ok or not. If not, an afternoon in the stocks, if ok, that free meal at spoons.
    If ok, a free meal at spoons; if not ok, two meals at spoons.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,680
    Andy_JS said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Danny Kruger's attempt to provide an intellectual justification for Farage is risible but it's noticeable how much of a gap this has opened between Reform and the Conservatives.

    This obviously provides Badenoch (who is gambling politically as much as Burnham on Reform) with an opportunity. The opportunity is the possibility of establishing a clear niche as the alternative to BOTH Reform AND Labour. We still know very little of the policy details and the weight of the 2019-24 experience lags like an anchor but she has a chance to re-establish the Conservatives as the clear pragmatic moderate centre-"right" alternative.

    Politicisation of these events, however much Mark Nowak and others may wish it otherwise, is inevitable. There's an anger out there, call it a sense of injustice, frustration or whatever but it clearly exists and it is the basis of support for Reform and Restore (and others).

    Not that much of a gap with Nick Timothy's comments.
    I don't understand your point.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,449
    Foxy said:

    I really am not bothered about the colour of eggs, but what does annoy me is how Sainsbury (and others) have altered their packaging on taramasalta etc. They are no longer resealable so either eaten at one go, or I have to use my own SUP to reseal. It is both pointless and annoying.

    I dislike the look of their vacuum packed mince enough that I’ll buy that item separately at Tesco
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,784
    Andy_JS said:

    This is the Tory shadow secretary of state for justice and shadow lord chancellor.

    "Nick Timothy
    There is no equality before the law. Identity politics is hardwired into British justice
    The politics of racial and religious identity have corroded police judgment and warped our criminal justice system" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/04/equality-before-law-identity-politics-britain-courts

    He hasn't been sacked, so presumbably Kemi agrees?

    Andy_JS said:

    This is the Tory shadow secretary of state for justice and shadow lord chancellor.

    "Nick Timothy
    There is no equality before the law. Identity politics is hardwired into British justice
    The politics of racial and religious identity have corroded police judgment and warped our criminal justice system" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/04/equality-before-law-identity-politics-britain-courts

    He hasn't been sacked, so presumbably Kemi agrees?

    Timothy really is a jerk. Isn't it about time he f***** off to Farage?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,155
    "Academic’s warning about using AI was written using AI

    An Australian professor’s plea not to ‘outsource your thinking’ was retracted after being flagged by software that detects the technology’s involvement" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/world/australasia/article/academic-used-ai-to-write-warning-not-to-cut-corners-with-ai-6nqg56hvx
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,867
    Tres said:

    The problem for the other parties is that Reform are in the right.

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2062581400423850193

    Reform will END two tier policing by introducing the Equal Treatment Act

    how can you end something that doesn't exist?
    Much easier to end something that doesn't exist than something that does.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,516
    @ruthdeyermond.bsky.social‬

    Zelensky's open letter to Putin is a very powerful statement of how disastrous the unprovoked war against Ukraine has been for Putin and for Russia. It reads like a message to the rest of the world (the White House included) about Ukraine's successes and Russia's failure.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,145
    edited 7:55PM
    Brixian59 said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Danny Kruger's attempt to provide an intellectual justification for Farage is risible but it's noticeable how much of a gap this has opened between Reform and the Conservatives.

    This obviously provides Badenoch (who is gambling politically as much as Burnham on Reform) with an opportunity. The opportunity is the possibility of establishing a clear niche as the alternative to BOTH Reform AND Labour. We still know very little of the policy details and the weight of the 2019-24 experience lags like an anchor but she has a chance to re-establish the Conservatives as the clear pragmatic moderate centre-"right" alternative.

    Politicisation of these events, however much Mark Nowak and others may wish it otherwise, is inevitable. There's an anger out there, call it a sense of injustice, frustration or whatever but it clearly exists and it is the basis of support for Reform and Restore (and others).

    Interesting thoughts.

    I think people also may need to think a liitle more about Badenoch's own position. The fact that she's on the Right doesn't mean she won't have experienced racism herself as a result of broad prejudices about black people, which she now sees Farage and Lowe apparently stirring up against another group.
    Badenoch is a serious Policy freezone

    Intellectually weak

    Considered lazy by those who have worked with her.

    Seems to work almost solely on X and within the Southeast of England.

    Odds on to lose her seat at the next GE if you extract Council result data

    Lightweight to the point that ever Starmer berates her as being irrelevant.
    Kemi rising to top the approval polls on -4 ahead of Farage, Davey, Polanski and Starmer below water must be quite upsetting for you and her improvement almost entirely started when you commenced your campaign against her

    She has called for cross party support in dealing with this serious issue and will Starmer agree, but then he is a goner, so will Andy in his well known collegiate approach to politics ?

  • TazTaz Posts: 28,133
    Today Goldman Sachs forecast SpaceX revenues will rise a hundred fold in four years.

    Then this.

    Retail investors left holding the baby here. If this was a boiler room it would be called a ‘pump and dump’

    ‘ Fidelity has announced that it is making the SpaceX IPO available to any customer with a retail brokerage account with $2,000 or more in the account (down from up to $500k before).

    "SpaceX has decided to reserve a much higher percentage of the offering (up to 30%), which means there should be more shares available to retail clients, which is why we have decided to reduce IPO eligibility for this offering."

    https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/2062534741706817842?s=61
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,772
    edited 7:57PM
    Andy_JS said:

    "Academic’s warning about using AI was written using AI

    An Australian professor’s plea not to ‘outsource your thinking’ was retracted after being flagged by software that detects the technology’s involvement" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/world/australasia/article/academic-used-ai-to-write-warning-not-to-cut-corners-with-ai-6nqg56hvx

    I wrote a project proposal on [assessment using AI], using AI to write the proposal. It may be assessed by the recipient using AI and if successful may result in a grant to use AI to investigate the dangers of using AI to assess AI.

    I'm a strong proponent of "human in the loop" objections to AI, but I can feel the ground shifting under my feet. Which is a great pity.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,772
    Taz said:

    Today Goldman Sachs forecast SpaceX revenues will rise a hundred fold in four years...

    From whom? Who is going to pay SpaceX 100 times more than they are paying now? And for what? Starship? Humanoid robots? Cybertruck?

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,856
    https://x.com/statedept/status/2062616906406760627

    Ideological conditioning and two-tiered policing are glaring symptoms of civilizational decline. They must be rejected across the West.

    The United States sends our condolences to the family of Henry Nowak and the people of the United Kingdom at this troubling time.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,055
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Academic’s warning about using AI was written using AI

    An Australian professor’s plea not to ‘outsource your thinking’ was retracted after being flagged by software that detects the technology’s involvement" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/world/australasia/article/academic-used-ai-to-write-warning-not-to-cut-corners-with-ai-6nqg56hvx

    I wrote a project proposal on [assessment using AI], using AI to write the proposal. It may be assessed by the recipient using AI and if successful may result in a grant to use AI to investigate the dangers of using AI to assess AI.

    I'm a strong proponent of "human in the loop" objections to AI, but I can feel the ground shifting under my feet. Which is a great pity.
    I've almost given up googling for technical questions as I get the AI summary which is often ok, but all the 'natural' search results are LLM written and about 90% of the time nonsense. Which I'm sure is feeding the next training runs.

    All going to end well.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,680
    edited 8:05PM

    Brixian59 said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Danny Kruger's attempt to provide an intellectual justification for Farage is risible but it's noticeable how much of a gap this has opened between Reform and the Conservatives.

    This obviously provides Badenoch (who is gambling politically as much as Burnham on Reform) with an opportunity. The opportunity is the possibility of establishing a clear niche as the alternative to BOTH Reform AND Labour. We still know very little of the policy details and the weight of the 2019-24 experience lags like an anchor but she has a chance to re-establish the Conservatives as the clear pragmatic moderate centre-"right" alternative.

    Politicisation of these events, however much Mark Nowak and others may wish it otherwise, is inevitable. There's an anger out there, call it a sense of injustice, frustration or whatever but it clearly exists and it is the basis of support for Reform and Restore (and others).

    Interesting thoughts.

    I think people also may need to think a liitle more about Badenoch's own position. The fact that she's on the Right doesn't mean she won't have experienced racism herself as a result of broad prejudices about black people, which she now sees Farage and Lowe apparently stirring up against another group.
    Badenoch is a serious Policy freezone

    Intellectually weak

    Considered lazy by those who have worked with her.

    Seems to work almost solely on X and within the Southeast of England.

    Odds on to lose her seat at the next GE if you extract Council result data

    Lightweight to the point that ever Starmer berates her as being irrelevant.
    Kemi rising to top the approval polls on -4 ahead of Farage, Davey, Polanski and Starmer below water must be quite upsetting for you and her improvement almost entirely started when you commenced your campaign against her

    She has called for cross party support in dealing with this serious issue and will Starmer agree, but then he is a goner, so will Andy in his well known collegiate approach to politics ?

    Yes but you and I both know approval ratings aren't the be-all and end-all and the fact remains for all her "popularity" (and let's be honest, she is simply the least unpopular of an unpopular bunch) the Conservative Party continues to tread water in polls and trails Reform by quite some way.

    Putting that to one side and your responses to @Brixian59 notwithstanding, what this has showed is the growing gap between Badenoch and her followers and other members of the Shadow Cabinet who seem to be adopting a response closer to Farage.

    That tension within the Conservatives between those who want to be Reform-lite in the hope of merging the two parties one day and those who wish to mark out a distinctive, pragmatic conservative approach is going to be Badenoch's biggest challenge in the next 12-24 months.

  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,505
    The Guardian gets upset about Labour planning to increase nature deprivation by changing a law introduced by the Conservatives:

    The poorest and most nature-deprived communities in England will be further left behind in their access to green spaces if proposed changes to planning laws go ahead, a report finds.

    More than 7.4 million people in England live in areas completely devoid of immediate biodiversity, including 1.4 million children under 15, the report commissioned by a number of wildlife and environmental NGOs says.

    The severe nature poverty is driven not by the rural-urban divide, but by extreme environmental disparities within towns and cities, and new “loopholes” for developers will exacerbate it, it says.

    Biodiversity net gain rules, introduced in 2024, made it mandatory in England for most new developments to deliver at least a 10% increase in biodiversity value. The UK is one of the most nature-depleted countries in the world, and the landmark policy was intended to help nature recovery. It was considered world-leading, referenced at Cop16 in Cali, Colombia, and replicated in countries such as Saudi Arabia, the Netherlands, and India.


    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jun/04/englands-poorest-communities-face-deepest-cuts-green-space-planning-law-changes-report-warns
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,449
    MattW said:

    Kemi is trying to bring her former members back.

    I've just a phone call from the Cons inviting me to return. It is about 4 years since I left.

    A good opportunity to explain that I do not wish to rejoin due to their road safety culture war, and their turning their coats on the 20mph limit in Wales where they used to demand that the Welsh Government were not moving quickly enough.

    I am probably now off the list ! I wonder if they report back.

    Oh they will…

    My father was once asked to donate to them. “Not while that bloody woman is still in power” was his response (this was in about 1988).

    With 2 weeks of thatcher resigning there came a knock at the door…
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,133
    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    Today Goldman Sachs forecast SpaceX revenues will rise a hundred fold in four years...

    From whom? Who is going to pay SpaceX 100 times more than they are paying now? And for what? Starship? Humanoid robots? Cybertruck?

    Excellent questions that don’t seem to have answers.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,867
    Cyclefree said:

    https://x.com/statedept/status/2062616906406760627

    Ideological conditioning and two-tiered policing are glaring symptoms of civilizational decline. They must be rejected across the West.

    The United States sends our condolences to the family of Henry Nowak and the people of the United Kingdom at this troubling time.

    Is there a diplomatic way of replying "Oh do piss off! And while you're at it, look in the mirror."
    If there is, I trust you (or the Palace) to find it.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,570

    NEW THREAD

  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,117
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    Watching BBC QT for the first time in a long time, I can see why Burnham is leading by about 20 points with women over the Reform candidate.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,145
    stodge said:

    Brixian59 said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Danny Kruger's attempt to provide an intellectual justification for Farage is risible but it's noticeable how much of a gap this has opened between Reform and the Conservatives.

    This obviously provides Badenoch (who is gambling politically as much as Burnham on Reform) with an opportunity. The opportunity is the possibility of establishing a clear niche as the alternative to BOTH Reform AND Labour. We still know very little of the policy details and the weight of the 2019-24 experience lags like an anchor but she has a chance to re-establish the Conservatives as the clear pragmatic moderate centre-"right" alternative.

    Politicisation of these events, however much Mark Nowak and others may wish it otherwise, is inevitable. There's an anger out there, call it a sense of injustice, frustration or whatever but it clearly exists and it is the basis of support for Reform and Restore (and others).

    Interesting thoughts.

    I think people also may need to think a liitle more about Badenoch's own position. The fact that she's on the Right doesn't mean she won't have experienced racism herself as a result of broad prejudices about black people, which she now sees Farage and Lowe apparently stirring up against another group.
    Badenoch is a serious Policy freezone

    Intellectually weak

    Considered lazy by those who have worked with her.

    Seems to work almost solely on X and within the Southeast of England.

    Odds on to lose her seat at the next GE if you extract Council result data

    Lightweight to the point that ever Starmer berates her as being irrelevant.
    Kemi rising to top the approval polls on -4 ahead of Farage, Davey, Polanski and Starmer below water must be quite upsetting for you and her improvement almost entirely started when you commenced your campaign against her

    She has called for cross party support in dealing with this serious issue and will Starmer agree, but then he is a goner, so will Andy in his well known collegiate approach to politics ?

    Yes but you and I both know approval ratings aren't the be-all and end-all and the fact remains for all her "popularity" (and let's be honest, she is simply the least unpopular of an unpopular bunch) the Conservative Party continues to tread water in polls and trails Reform by quite some way.

    Putting that to one side and your responses to @Brixian59 notwithstanding, what this has showed is the growing gap between Badenoch and her followers and other members of the Shadow Cabinet who seem to be adopting a response closer to Farage.

    That tension within the Conservatives between those who want to be Reform-lite in the hope of merging the two parties one day and those who wish to mark out a distinctive, pragmatic conservative approach is going to be Badenoch's biggest challenge in the next 12-24 months.

    Kemi's distractors would like to draw that conclusion but her rising popularity and pragmatic politics will see her overtake Farage in the next 3 years or even sooner

    Indeed it is essential she does as the alternative is a Farage government
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 41
    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    Today Goldman Sachs forecast SpaceX revenues will rise a hundred fold in four years...

    From whom? Who is going to pay SpaceX 100 times more than they are paying now? And for what? Starship? Humanoid robots? Cybertruck?

    It seems to be based on Starship actually working an Musk getting his wish of the price to get 1kg into LEO (Low Earth Orbit) down from the around £1k-£2k now to his target of £100.

    If he can do that he puts almost everyone else out of business and has close to a monopoly.

    All big if's given his reecord of over promising and changeing his mind!

    Peter.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,055

    This looks good for political junkies: https://x.com/i/status/2062463061789663637

    Thanks for that! Youtube seems to ignore my obvious preference for 'interesting but not nutter politics' and insists on surfacing 'THE TRUTH THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW' style videos all the time. And webcam airport channels for reasons I can't fathom. I haven't been in a plane for 20 years, never watched a video like that, not even a geeky aero-engineering one. But there they are - another half dozen 'LIVE! Airbus A220 take-off at Birmingham Airport!' style videos :-/
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,775
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  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,088
    Cyclefree said:

    On chickens: mine are brown from the local farmer.

    I also have with me a small gardening knife - mostly used to divide my pot bound agapanthus plants and cut apples from my apple trees.

    My future son-in-law is a policeman. His training appears to have consisted of being told "Look at what the Met are doing and don't do that"! He may have been joking of course.

    I think you should test him. Give him a white boiled egg and a brown boiled egg and see which he hits the top of hardest.
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 41
    Musk's Humanoid robots are interesting because while he seems to be selling it to Trump and MAGA as replacing cheap illegal immigrants who work as maids or cleaners.

    I think his real target is to replace high paid US Auto workers for all the fiddly bits of Tesla's current large industrial robots can't do.

    Domestic tasks with close human interactions are extremely tricky to get right and like self driving cars can be disasterous if you get wrong so it's an expense robot replacing cheap Labour; hard to get the economics right.

    But replacing highly paid workers in an industrial setting doing the same repetative task over and over, that's a cheaper robot and a better chance of getting the economics to work.

    It would be an irony if MAGA backed him as their hero only to find that those real men who deal real jobs for good money ended up replacing the deported workers and doing the crap low paid jobs.

    Peter.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,631
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    Cyclefree said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    HYUFD said:

    I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.

    Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
    Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.

    Do we really need them?
    The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.

    Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
    Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.

    A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
    Slebs who would be a better ceremonial head of state than Chaz:

    Lewis Hamilton
    David Beckham
    Bob Mortimer
    Joanna Lumley
    Olivia Colman
    All of those are less intellectual with less gravitas wisdom and class
    Bob Mortimer comfortably exceeds Chaz's capabilities in all those criteria. And he played youth football for Boro.
    Olivia Coleman for me. Cambridge entry on merit and somehow is in bloody everything and yet we all think she's great. The Crown was basically an audition.
    I don't. She was woefully miscast as the Queen in The Crown and gave a very wooden performance which completely ruined the series for me. Stopped watching it in consequence.
    I never watched any of it, so can't judge.
    Coleman seems a perfectly adequate actor to me, but far from my favourite.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,772
    Tres said:

    The problem for the other parties is that Reform are in the right.

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2062581400423850193

    Reform will END two tier policing by introducing the Equal Treatment Act

    how can you end something that doesn't exist?
    As Nixon once said, if the public thinks there is an invisible river, you don't waste time telling them there is no invisible river, you build an invisible bridge.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,772

    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    Today Goldman Sachs forecast SpaceX revenues will rise a hundred fold in four years...

    From whom? Who is going to pay SpaceX 100 times more than they are paying now? And for what? Starship? Humanoid robots? Cybertruck?

    It seems to be based on Starship actually working an Musk getting his wish of the price to get 1kg into LEO (Low Earth Orbit) down from the around £1k-£2k now to his target of £100.

    If he can do that he puts almost everyone else out of business and has close to a monopoly.

    All big if's given his reecord of over promising and changeing his mind!

    Peter.
    Well yes, but can Starship put 100 times the payload of, say, Ariane or Vulcan or whatever the new hotness is, into orbit? I know Say's Law says demand expends to meet supply, but there's going to be a lag, and there are other up-and-coming launch companies (Stoke Space, the NZ lot), and the Chinese will pull off a knockoff within a couple of years. It's a hell of a punt.
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