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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,526
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    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2062565428237369539

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 27% (+2)
    GRN: 17% (-2)
    CON: 17% (-1)
    LAB: 15% (-1)
    LDM: 11% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 3-4 Jun.
    Changes w/ 27 May.

    Sleazy, broken Greens, Tories, Labour, and LibDems on the slide!
    No sign yet of Reform crossing the line with the public. It may not come if 25-30% like what they stand for, and the rest don't know who to vote for instead.

    Andy may have a lot of work to do once he gets in.
    Andy hasn’t even won his byelection yet!
    Well he's the only plan Labour have to beat Reform, and no one else has a plan which is working, so he had better!
    The strange aspect in this is Reform seems to be adding to their lead

    Is Burnham really in danger of losing ?
    That poll is margin of error stuff. You'd need more straws in the wind to conclude anything.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627
    IanB2 said:

    The day each year when Mr Dog and I take the old Algund-Vellau chairlift and then the bucket lift up to the Meraner high alpine path, slog along in the usually hot beating sun, passing almost always Germans or German-speaking South tirolers, the very occasional Italian and never any English or Americans, eat a hearty alpine lunch washed down with a flagon of German beer, then retrace our steps to get the chairlift back down, is always one of my happiest. This year we might even get the chance to do it twice, since we will hopefully be back here in September.



    Don't do it, Mr Dog !
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,951
    What proportion of the people (men) moaning about eggs actually do regular food shopping? What percentage of them only buy own brand?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,490
    kinabalu said:

    I've just checked the fridge. Three eggs there, all brown.

    SPLITTIST!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,138

    a

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2062565428237369539

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 27% (+2)
    GRN: 17% (-2)
    CON: 17% (-1)
    LAB: 15% (-1)
    LDM: 11% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 3-4 Jun.
    Changes w/ 27 May.

    Sleazy, broken Greens, Tories, Labour, and LibDems on the slide!
    No sign yet of Reform crossing the line with the public. It may not come if 25-30% like what they stand for, and the rest don't know who to vote for instead.

    Andy may have a lot of work to do once he gets in.
    Andy hasn’t even won his byelection yet!
    Well he's the only plan Labour have to beat Reform, and no one else has a plan which is working, so he had better!
    The strange aspect in this is Reform seems to be adding to their lead

    Is Burnham really in danger of losing ?
    That poll is margin of error stuff. You'd need more straws in the wind to conclude anything.
    Not long to wait - just 2 weeks to polling day
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,691
    Our 140 total is growing in stature.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,342
    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    What do PB's tech group make of this ?

    Went on Bloomberg - Anthropic and OpenAI are dangerous and unsustainable companies that shouldn’t IPO. The AI bubble is a con and retail investors are the marks.
    AI doesn’t have ROI, it’s nothing like AWS/Uber, and it’s got no post-bubble recovery story.

    https://x.com/edzitron/status/2061940946095292688

    I'm not sure I agree with his "there's no post-bubble future" claim (some survivors will be huge businesses in the future), but I'd agree it is likely a very large valuation bubble indeed.

    I don't think anyone has a clue as to the size of the final business once customers are paying the real price for tokens. That business could well be far smaller than the 2.5 trillion the 3 firms involved Anthropic, OpenAI (and a small part) of SpaceX are valued at...
    But AI is surely not the same as the dot com bubble? 25 years ago we had companies at high valuations that never made money. Now at least some AI companies do have revenue streams to support them, so should not go bust. SpaceX in particular may be more like Amazon, whose electric shop propped up the cloud business until now their roles are reversed. (Luckily I have no money to invest so do not need to pay too much attention.)
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,138
    12 - 4
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,951
    kinabalu said:

    Our 140 total is growing in stature.

    Shrinkflation.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    What do PB's tech group make of this ?

    Went on Bloomberg - Anthropic and OpenAI are dangerous and unsustainable companies that shouldn’t IPO. The AI bubble is a con and retail investors are the marks.
    AI doesn’t have ROI, it’s nothing like AWS/Uber, and it’s got no post-bubble recovery story.

    https://x.com/edzitron/status/2061940946095292688

    I'm not sure I agree with his "there's no post-bubble future" claim (some survivors will be huge businesses in the future), but I'd agree it is likely a very large valuation bubble indeed.

    I don't think anyone has a clue as to the size of the final business once customers are paying the real price for tokens. That business could well be far smaller than the 2.5 trillion the 3 firms involved Anthropic, OpenAI (and a small part) of SpaceX are valued at...
    But AI is surely not the same as the dot com bubble? 25 years ago we had companies at high valuations that never made money. Now at least some AI companies do have revenue streams to support them, so should not go bust. SpaceX in particular may be more like Amazon, whose electric shop propped up the cloud business until now their roles are reversed. (Luckily I have no money to invest so do not need to pay too much attention.)
    The question is not whether some are viable long term businesses, but rather if they're currently being grossly overvalued.
    Open AI is set to IPO at a trillion plus valuation, and could quite conceivably go bust, for example.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,428
    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    The day each year when Mr Dog and I take the old Algund-Vellau chairlift and then the bucket lift up to the Meraner high alpine path, slog along in the usually hot beating sun, passing almost always Germans or German-speaking South tirolers, the very occasional Italian and never any English or Americans, eat a hearty alpine lunch washed down with a flagon of German beer, then retrace our steps to get the chairlift back down, is always one of my happiest. This year we might even get the chance to do it twice, since we will hopefully be back here in September.



    Don't do it, Mr Dog !
    One year he did, when I had him off lead, disappeared down a staggeringly steep slope after some goats I hadn’t spotted. I was beside myself but after a few minutes he reappeared exhausted but otherwise unharmed. How he coped down there, I don’t know, it was so steep I couldn’t see looking down where he might be, and I assumed the goats had the edge over him when it came to skipping about on steep slopes.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,890
    kinabalu said:

    Our 140 total is growing in stature.

    Expensive over by Robinson. Went for 2 there.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,085
    kle4 said:

    IanB2 said:

    The day each year when Mr Dog and I take the old Algund-Vellau chairlift and then the bucket lift up to the Meraner high alpine path, slog along in the usually hot beating sun, passing almost always Germans or German-speaking South tirolers, the very occasional Italian and never any English or Americans, eat a hearty alpine lunch washed down with a flagon of German beer, then retrace our steps to get the chairlift back down, is always one of my happiest. This year we might even get the chance to do it twice, since we will hopefully be back here in September.



    Ooh, a dynamic shot this time
    Top (of the hill) dog.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,085

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2062565428237369539

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 27% (+2)
    GRN: 17% (-2)
    CON: 17% (-1)
    LAB: 15% (-1)
    LDM: 11% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 3-4 Jun.
    Changes w/ 27 May.

    Sleazy, broken Greens, Tories, Labour, and LibDems on the slide!
    No sign yet of Reform crossing the line with the public. It may not come if 25-30% like what they stand for, and the rest don't know who to vote for instead.

    Andy may have a lot of work to do once he gets in.
    Andy hasn’t even won his byelection yet!
    Well he's the only plan Labour have to beat Reform, and no one else has a plan which is working, so he had better!
    The strange aspect in this is Reform seems to be adding to their lead

    Is Burnham really in danger of losing ?
    Nigel has had a good if cynical week and Rob the Plumber is getting loads of comedy exposure.

    Propaganda, propaganda, what we need is propaganda (or something like it) as Nigel Farage might have said in the 1930s.
    They’ve been learning from Ed Davey.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,342

    NZ 5 for 3 !!!!

    Did Harry Kane score a hat trick? Although I thought the England vs New Zealand game is on Saturday.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,195

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2062565428237369539

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 27% (+2)
    GRN: 17% (-2)
    CON: 17% (-1)
    LAB: 15% (-1)
    LDM: 11% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 3-4 Jun.
    Changes w/ 27 May.

    Oh thanks. The Gold Standard. Reformers smashing out the Postcode Lottery tickets this week.
    Find Out Now

    Not sure what

    If anyone with a brain cell pays attention.?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,428

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    What do PB's tech group make of this ?

    Went on Bloomberg - Anthropic and OpenAI are dangerous and unsustainable companies that shouldn’t IPO. The AI bubble is a con and retail investors are the marks.
    AI doesn’t have ROI, it’s nothing like AWS/Uber, and it’s got no post-bubble recovery story.

    https://x.com/edzitron/status/2061940946095292688

    I'm not sure I agree with his "there's no post-bubble future" claim (some survivors will be huge businesses in the future), but I'd agree it is likely a very large valuation bubble indeed.

    I don't think anyone has a clue as to the size of the final business once customers are paying the real price for tokens. That business could well be far smaller than the 2.5 trillion the 3 firms involved Anthropic, OpenAI (and a small part) of SpaceX are valued at...
    But AI is surely not the same as the dot com bubble? 25 years ago we had companies at high valuations that never made money. Now at least some AI companies do have revenue streams to support them, so should not go bust. SpaceX in particular may be more like Amazon, whose electric shop propped up the cloud business until now their roles are reversed. (Luckily I have no money to invest so do not need to pay too much attention.)
    The question is what happens when the companies decide to start charging us for what currently everyone is getting for free.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,436

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    What do PB's tech group make of this ?

    Went on Bloomberg - Anthropic and OpenAI are dangerous and unsustainable companies that shouldn’t IPO. The AI bubble is a con and retail investors are the marks.
    AI doesn’t have ROI, it’s nothing like AWS/Uber, and it’s got no post-bubble recovery story.

    https://x.com/edzitron/status/2061940946095292688

    I'm not sure I agree with his "there's no post-bubble future" claim (some survivors will be huge businesses in the future), but I'd agree it is likely a very large valuation bubble indeed.

    I don't think anyone has a clue as to the size of the final business once customers are paying the real price for tokens. That business could well be far smaller than the 2.5 trillion the 3 firms involved Anthropic, OpenAI (and a small part) of SpaceX are valued at...
    But AI is surely not the same as the dot com bubble? 25 years ago we had companies at high valuations that never made money. Now at least some AI companies do have revenue streams to support them, so should not go bust. SpaceX in particular may be more like Amazon, whose electric shop propped up the cloud business until now their roles are reversed. (Luckily I have no money to invest so do not need to pay too much attention.)
    "Has a revenue stream" isn't the same thing as "is making money", though. There's a lot of uncertainty about how much these companies are or are not effectively selling the product below cost while they build up a customer base, and what the prices would be when they stop doing that.

    Zitron gets his clicks by being the "this is all dodgy accounting/doesn't actually work/massively over hyped" view, so his will be the extreme bear case. Personally I have no idea.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,135
    DavidL said:

    kinabalu said:

    Our 140 total is growing in stature.

    Expensive over by Robinson. Went for 2 there.
    Anyone from HQ strolled the 100m from their office to inspect the pitch?
    If this was the championship they'd be docking points, what a farce!
  • PhilPhil Posts: 3,309
    Nigelb said:

    What do PB's tech group make of this ?

    Went on Bloomberg - Anthropic and OpenAI are dangerous and unsustainable companies that shouldn’t IPO. The AI bubble is a con and retail investors are the marks.
    AI doesn’t have ROI, it’s nothing like AWS/Uber, and it’s got no post-bubble recovery story.

    https://x.com/edzitron/status/2061940946095292688

    I'm not sure I agree with his "there's no post-bubble future" claim (some survivors will be huge businesses in the future), but I'd agree it is likely a very large valuation bubble indeed.

    AI is real but, like the C19th railway boom, there's no guarantee that the companies doing the current build out are going to be the ones to profit from it.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,233
    A qualifier is in the French Open ladies final.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,361
    Chwalinska!!!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805
    Phil said:

    Nigelb said:

    What do PB's tech group make of this ?

    Went on Bloomberg - Anthropic and OpenAI are dangerous and unsustainable companies that shouldn’t IPO. The AI bubble is a con and retail investors are the marks.
    AI doesn’t have ROI, it’s nothing like AWS/Uber, and it’s got no post-bubble recovery story.

    https://x.com/edzitron/status/2061940946095292688

    I'm not sure I agree with his "there's no post-bubble future" claim (some survivors will be huge businesses in the future), but I'd agree it is likely a very large valuation bubble indeed.

    AI is real but, like the C19th railway boom, there's no guarantee that the companies doing the current build out are going to be the ones to profit from it.
    A key question will be whether the big companies subsidising efforts through other profitable ventures can lock out others, or if there will always be new rivals rising which prevents them from raising prices.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,951
    pm215 said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    What do PB's tech group make of this ?

    Went on Bloomberg - Anthropic and OpenAI are dangerous and unsustainable companies that shouldn’t IPO. The AI bubble is a con and retail investors are the marks.
    AI doesn’t have ROI, it’s nothing like AWS/Uber, and it’s got no post-bubble recovery story.

    https://x.com/edzitron/status/2061940946095292688

    I'm not sure I agree with his "there's no post-bubble future" claim (some survivors will be huge businesses in the future), but I'd agree it is likely a very large valuation bubble indeed.

    I don't think anyone has a clue as to the size of the final business once customers are paying the real price for tokens. That business could well be far smaller than the 2.5 trillion the 3 firms involved Anthropic, OpenAI (and a small part) of SpaceX are valued at...
    But AI is surely not the same as the dot com bubble? 25 years ago we had companies at high valuations that never made money. Now at least some AI companies do have revenue streams to support them, so should not go bust. SpaceX in particular may be more like Amazon, whose electric shop propped up the cloud business until now their roles are reversed. (Luckily I have no money to invest so do not need to pay too much attention.)
    "Has a revenue stream" isn't the same thing as "is making money", though. There's a lot of uncertainty about how much these companies are or are not effectively selling the product below cost while they build up a customer base, and what the prices would be when they stop doing that.

    Zitron gets his clicks by being the "this is all dodgy accounting/doesn't actually work/massively over hyped" view, so his will be the extreme bear case. Personally I have no idea.
    The business model seems fine, they have great products people will pay increasing amounts for. The questions of who the winners will be and how to value them are both very guessy. FOMO seems to be driving the market here as much as anything else.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,516
    edited 5:22PM
    Our local Coop sells Cracklebean eggs. Every box has a mix of white and brown with some occasional blue.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,244
    Stereodog said:

    MattW said:

    boulay said:

    Is there a reason Kirpans (yes I know one wasn’t actually used in this situation) have to have a sharp blade and point?

    Surely as they are symbolic and shouldn’t be used as a weapon in the UK there could be no objection to them having to be non-bladed/pointed and then totally safe to carry as a symbolic object.

    Christians who are so inclined to demonstrate their beliefs through objects don’t literally carry around a wooden crucifix with a body nailed on, Jews funnily enough don’t lug around and actual star and Muslims aren’t packing a crescent moon in their pockets.

    No, no reason, except perhaps for sects making theological (in both senses) arguments with a view that "it is not a real symbolic Kirpan unless it is a real weapon", or that "we think it needs to be a real weapon" or similar - despite the general view being that this is not "required". I think the offender was an adherent of such a group.

    My preferred update would simply be the withdrawal of that exception, and requiring that a sharp bladed kirpan comply with standard UK knife law, which means the blade is under 3" and non-locking. That's why the personal steak knife I sometimes take to pubs if out for lunch and I know they have blunt knives meets this spec - it is an exception to the "bladed items" law.

    Since the claim that "they are the only group treated like this" by Farage and co is a lie, it would also mean a look at other exceptions.

    Compare, for example, with Muslim views on Guide Dogs, and the traditional view that dogs are ritually unclean, which I think is the category. The UK Sharia Authority ruled a couple of decades ago that there was no problem because iirc these are working animals, but there still regular problems around Muslim private hire drivers not stopping when the passenger is a VIP with a Guide Dog.

    It does not help that I think the only licensing authority that takes this suitably seriously is London.
    As someone coming from a position of near total ignorance, I watched a Sikh being interviewed on the news about the religious significance of the Kirpan. He seemed very reasonable but it did occur to me that his explanation of it being seen as a symbol of your readiness to defend your family and community certainly wouldn't fly if a youth in a hoody said the same thing after being picked up by the police.
    Family member who works at a train station on the South Coast says that swords, knives and weapons are often carried by young people. Sometimes they are shown to other presumably competing youths to indicate a willingness toward violence. There is a wider issue than this killing but politicians can't help themselves when a bandwagon goes past.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,878

    Chwalinska!!!

    She isn’t British/Romanian by any chance?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,244
    IanB2 said:

    The day each year when Mr Dog and I take the old Algund-Vellau chairlift and then the bucket lift up to the Meraner high alpine path, slog along in the usually hot beating sun, passing almost always Germans or German-speaking South tirolers, the very occasional Italian and never any English or Americans, eat a hearty alpine lunch washed down with a flagon of German beer, then retrace our steps to get the chairlift back down, is always one of my happiest. This year we might even get the chance to do it twice, since we will hopefully be back here in September.



    Is that an abseiling rope tied to Dog. If so, chapeau !
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,890
    Scott_xP said:

    Our local Coop sells Cracklebean eggs. Every box has a mix of white and brown with some occasional blue.

    Bloody multiculturism strikes again.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,857
    carnforth said:

    A qualifier is in the French Open ladies final.

    I bet something like that has never happened before.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,361
    boulay said:

    Chwalinska!!!

    She isn’t British/Romanian by any chance?
    Afraid not this time.

  • eekeek Posts: 33,916

    pm215 said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    What do PB's tech group make of this ?

    Went on Bloomberg - Anthropic and OpenAI are dangerous and unsustainable companies that shouldn’t IPO. The AI bubble is a con and retail investors are the marks.
    AI doesn’t have ROI, it’s nothing like AWS/Uber, and it’s got no post-bubble recovery story.

    https://x.com/edzitron/status/2061940946095292688

    I'm not sure I agree with his "there's no post-bubble future" claim (some survivors will be huge businesses in the future), but I'd agree it is likely a very large valuation bubble indeed.

    I don't think anyone has a clue as to the size of the final business once customers are paying the real price for tokens. That business could well be far smaller than the 2.5 trillion the 3 firms involved Anthropic, OpenAI (and a small part) of SpaceX are valued at...
    But AI is surely not the same as the dot com bubble? 25 years ago we had companies at high valuations that never made money. Now at least some AI companies do have revenue streams to support them, so should not go bust. SpaceX in particular may be more like Amazon, whose electric shop propped up the cloud business until now their roles are reversed. (Luckily I have no money to invest so do not need to pay too much attention.)
    "Has a revenue stream" isn't the same thing as "is making money", though. There's a lot of uncertainty about how much these companies are or are not effectively selling the product below cost while they build up a customer base, and what the prices would be when they stop doing that.

    Zitron gets his clicks by being the "this is all dodgy accounting/doesn't actually work/massively over hyped" view, so his will be the extreme bear case. Personally I have no idea.
    The business model seems fine, they have great products people will pay increasing amounts for. The questions of who the winners will be and how to value them are both very guessy. FOMO seems to be driving the market here as much as anything else.
    Pay increasing amounts for? Have you seen the reaction to GitHub’s new model where people are discovering that it’s way more expensive then they thought it was going to be with their monthly allowance used up in hours

    https://www.theregister.com/ai-and-ml/2026/06/02/github-copilot-users-threaten-exit-as-metered-billing-kicks-in/5249826

    As I pointed out even the above doesn’t cover the worst issue, businesses want consistent pricing and if two seemingly identical requests end up costing vastly different amounts of money usage of AI will end up being restricted as costs won’t be controllable
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,850
    https://x.com/danny__kruger/status/2062573777314054278

    The hypocrisy over Reform's comments on the Henry Nowak murder is nauseating. Labour & LibDem MPs (and a bunch of confused Tories trying to have it both ways) are hyperventilating that Nigel said he feels 'rage' about the two-tier policing on display, as if reflecting public anger is somehow illegitimate; meanwhile they are doing exactly what they accuse us of, namely using the tragedy to score political points.

    Reform is doing what politicians should - pointing out how an individual situation reflects a general problem, and making suggestions to meet it. Our opponents all did exactly that (including proclaiming their anger, rage etc - no 'calm', 'be responsible' guff then) over George Floyd, a case rather beyond our jurisdiction - when it's a British boy saying 'I can't breathe' as he lies dying on a British street, it's an occasion to attack Nigel Farage and talk about police racism.

    This is why the British Left has lost the people. If the government continues to be run by the agents of mass migration and the instigators of two-tier policing we will have a REAL far-right revolt, and that will not be pretty.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,469

    https://x.com/danny__kruger/status/2062573777314054278

    The hypocrisy over Reform's comments on the Henry Nowak murder is nauseating. Labour & LibDem MPs (and a bunch of confused Tories trying to have it both ways) are hyperventilating that Nigel said he feels 'rage' about the two-tier policing on display, as if reflecting public anger is somehow illegitimate; meanwhile they are doing exactly what they accuse us of, namely using the tragedy to score political points.

    Reform is doing what politicians should - pointing out how an individual situation reflects a general problem, and making suggestions to meet it. Our opponents all did exactly that (including proclaiming their anger, rage etc - no 'calm', 'be responsible' guff then) over George Floyd, a case rather beyond our jurisdiction - when it's a British boy saying 'I can't breathe' as he lies dying on a British street, it's an occasion to attack Nigel Farage and talk about police racism.

    This is why the British Left has lost the people. If the government continues to be run by the agents of mass migration and the instigators of two-tier policing we will have a REAL far-right revolt, and that will not be pretty.

    Danny Kruger knows his new boss has been found out...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,850
    Cicero said:

    https://x.com/danny__kruger/status/2062573777314054278

    The hypocrisy over Reform's comments on the Henry Nowak murder is nauseating. Labour & LibDem MPs (and a bunch of confused Tories trying to have it both ways) are hyperventilating that Nigel said he feels 'rage' about the two-tier policing on display, as if reflecting public anger is somehow illegitimate; meanwhile they are doing exactly what they accuse us of, namely using the tragedy to score political points.

    Reform is doing what politicians should - pointing out how an individual situation reflects a general problem, and making suggestions to meet it. Our opponents all did exactly that (including proclaiming their anger, rage etc - no 'calm', 'be responsible' guff then) over George Floyd, a case rather beyond our jurisdiction - when it's a British boy saying 'I can't breathe' as he lies dying on a British street, it's an occasion to attack Nigel Farage and talk about police racism.

    This is why the British Left has lost the people. If the government continues to be run by the agents of mass migration and the instigators of two-tier policing we will have a REAL far-right revolt, and that will not be pretty.

    Danny Kruger knows his new boss has been found out...
    Farage is guilty of the charge of being an effective opposition leader.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,383

    Cicero said:

    https://x.com/danny__kruger/status/2062573777314054278

    The hypocrisy over Reform's comments on the Henry Nowak murder is nauseating. Labour & LibDem MPs (and a bunch of confused Tories trying to have it both ways) are hyperventilating that Nigel said he feels 'rage' about the two-tier policing on display, as if reflecting public anger is somehow illegitimate; meanwhile they are doing exactly what they accuse us of, namely using the tragedy to score political points.

    Reform is doing what politicians should - pointing out how an individual situation reflects a general problem, and making suggestions to meet it. Our opponents all did exactly that (including proclaiming their anger, rage etc - no 'calm', 'be responsible' guff then) over George Floyd, a case rather beyond our jurisdiction - when it's a British boy saying 'I can't breathe' as he lies dying on a British street, it's an occasion to attack Nigel Farage and talk about police racism.

    This is why the British Left has lost the people. If the government continues to be run by the agents of mass migration and the instigators of two-tier policing we will have a REAL far-right revolt, and that will not be pretty.

    Danny Kruger knows his new boss has been found out...
    Farage is guilty of the charge of being an effective opposition leader.
    Effective at what?
  • Goodness me this has been a bizarre game
  • glwglw Posts: 10,923
    Phil said:

    Nigelb said:

    What do PB's tech group make of this ?

    Went on Bloomberg - Anthropic and OpenAI are dangerous and unsustainable companies that shouldn’t IPO. The AI bubble is a con and retail investors are the marks.
    AI doesn’t have ROI, it’s nothing like AWS/Uber, and it’s got no post-bubble recovery story.

    https://x.com/edzitron/status/2061940946095292688

    I'm not sure I agree with his "there's no post-bubble future" claim (some survivors will be huge businesses in the future), but I'd agree it is likely a very large valuation bubble indeed.

    AI is real but, like the C19th railway boom, there's no guarantee that the companies doing the current build out are going to be the ones to profit from it.
    Yeah when the dot.com bubble popped a lot of companies benefitted from buying domains, websites, servers and switches, and dark fibre for pennies on the dollar.

    There's a decent chance that all the big pure AI plays will implode, and the likes of Amazon, Apple, Google, and Microsoft will fight for the scraps.
  • pm215 said:

    Zitron gets his clicks by being the "this is all dodgy accounting/doesn't actually work/massively over hyped" view, so his will be the extreme bear case. Personally I have no idea.

    Zitron is broadly right I think, even if he does lay on the drama a bit thick. There is a vast amount of dodgy accounting going on, mainly via circular funding. Right now the AI industry is like Greggs handing everyone who walks in the door a £20 note, provided they promise to spend it on sausage rolls. They can brag sausage roll sales are up 2000%, but it's entirely artificial and they're burning money to make it happen.

    The other big issue, until recently, has been subsidised use. AI companies have been charging a flat-rate to use their models, regardless of the actual cost to provide the service. But they're desperate to show some actual revenue now, so that's going away in favour of token-based billing. Companies and individuals are now waking up to just how expensive it is to use AI in a major way, often more expensive than hiring humans to do the same job.

    Unfortunately for them this has also coincided with the rise of Agents. Previously humans acted as a rate-limiter for AI use; someone has to type in the prompt, wait for the AI and then read and check the output. But now it's often an AI running other AIs, which can result in enormous token use and a correspondingly large bill.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323
    So now Kruger wants to green light more violent protests and attacks against the police . He also seems to have missed that we’ll soon have negative net migration which will turn into a flood of people leaving if this country is stupid enough to put the lying grifter into No 10.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,526
    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Our local Coop sells Cracklebean eggs. Every box has a mix of white and brown with some occasional blue.

    Bloody multiculturism strikes again.
    I’ve noticed that out in the sticks, the honesty box eggs at the farm gates are the mixed colour ones now. Same for the eggs they leave for you when you stay in a farm cottage.

    All very artisan…
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,850

    Cicero said:

    https://x.com/danny__kruger/status/2062573777314054278

    The hypocrisy over Reform's comments on the Henry Nowak murder is nauseating. Labour & LibDem MPs (and a bunch of confused Tories trying to have it both ways) are hyperventilating that Nigel said he feels 'rage' about the two-tier policing on display, as if reflecting public anger is somehow illegitimate; meanwhile they are doing exactly what they accuse us of, namely using the tragedy to score political points.

    Reform is doing what politicians should - pointing out how an individual situation reflects a general problem, and making suggestions to meet it. Our opponents all did exactly that (including proclaiming their anger, rage etc - no 'calm', 'be responsible' guff then) over George Floyd, a case rather beyond our jurisdiction - when it's a British boy saying 'I can't breathe' as he lies dying on a British street, it's an occasion to attack Nigel Farage and talk about police racism.

    This is why the British Left has lost the people. If the government continues to be run by the agents of mass migration and the instigators of two-tier policing we will have a REAL far-right revolt, and that will not be pretty.

    Danny Kruger knows his new boss has been found out...
    Farage is guilty of the charge of being an effective opposition leader.
    Effective at what?
    Framing issues and strategic communication. He now owns the position of abolishing two-tier policing and equalising the laws on carrying knives.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,866
    Cicero said:

    https://x.com/danny__kruger/status/2062573777314054278

    The hypocrisy over Reform's comments on the Henry Nowak murder is nauseating. Labour & LibDem MPs (and a bunch of confused Tories trying to have it both ways) are hyperventilating that Nigel said he feels 'rage' about the two-tier policing on display, as if reflecting public anger is somehow illegitimate; meanwhile they are doing exactly what they accuse us of, namely using the tragedy to score political points.

    Reform is doing what politicians should - pointing out how an individual situation reflects a general problem, and making suggestions to meet it. Our opponents all did exactly that (including proclaiming their anger, rage etc - no 'calm', 'be responsible' guff then) over George Floyd, a case rather beyond our jurisdiction - when it's a British boy saying 'I can't breathe' as he lies dying on a British street, it's an occasion to attack Nigel Farage and talk about police racism.

    This is why the British Left has lost the people. If the government continues to be run by the agents of mass migration and the instigators of two-tier policing we will have a REAL far-right revolt, and that will not be pretty.

    Danny Kruger knows his new boss has been found out...
    An erudite explanation of what NF was trying to do.

    Because, as we all know, if you're explaining, you're winning.

    Excuse me, I've just been handed a correction...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,784
    edited 6:01PM

    Cicero said:

    https://x.com/danny__kruger/status/2062573777314054278

    The hypocrisy over Reform's comments on the Henry Nowak murder is nauseating. Labour & LibDem MPs (and a bunch of confused Tories trying to have it both ways) are hyperventilating that Nigel said he feels 'rage' about the two-tier policing on display, as if reflecting public anger is somehow illegitimate; meanwhile they are doing exactly what they accuse us of, namely using the tragedy to score political points.

    Reform is doing what politicians should - pointing out how an individual situation reflects a general problem, and making suggestions to meet it. Our opponents all did exactly that (including proclaiming their anger, rage etc - no 'calm', 'be responsible' guff then) over George Floyd, a case rather beyond our jurisdiction - when it's a British boy saying 'I can't breathe' as he lies dying on a British street, it's an occasion to attack Nigel Farage and talk about police racism.

    This is why the British Left has lost the people. If the government continues to be run by the agents of mass migration and the instigators of two-tier policing we will have a REAL far-right revolt, and that will not be pretty.

    Danny Kruger knows his new boss has been found out...
    Farage is guilty of the charge of being an effective opposition leader.
    Effective at what?
    I refer to my answer from last night. Racism, Trump adjacency and shilling for Russia.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,626
    4pm - how big a lead will NZ get in the first innings?
    7pm - will NZ beat Harry Brook's 56?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805

    https://x.com/danny__kruger/status/2062573777314054278

    The hypocrisy over Reform's comments on the Henry Nowak murder is nauseating. Labour & LibDem MPs (and a bunch of confused Tories trying to have it both ways) are hyperventilating that Nigel said he feels 'rage' about the two-tier policing on display, as if reflecting public anger is somehow illegitimate; meanwhile they are doing exactly what they accuse us of, namely using the tragedy to score political points.

    Reform is doing what politicians should - pointing out how an individual situation reflects a general problem, and making suggestions to meet it. Our opponents all did exactly that (including proclaiming their anger, rage etc - no 'calm', 'be responsible' guff then) over George Floyd, a case rather beyond our jurisdiction - when it's a British boy saying 'I can't breathe' as he lies dying on a British street, it's an occasion to attack Nigel Farage and talk about police racism.

    This is why the British Left has lost the people. If the government continues to be run by the agents of mass migration and the instigators of two-tier policing we will have a REAL far-right revolt, and that will not be pretty.

    Why not just admit he wants a right wing revolt? I believe his sincerity about what he considers the problem, but he'd be disappointed if riots don't occur and it's not as though admitting that would hurt him.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,361
    Meanwhile in the dark Reform rabbit hole that some ex-tories have fallen into:

    Tim Montgomerie 🇬🇧
    @montie

    A big week in my estimation of @KemiBadenoch. She is big about not making party politics out of the Nowak tragedy while making every party political point she can at every opportunity - and clearly conspiring with Keir Starmer in doing so. It was a particular giveaway that she didn't ask any question on the issue that's gripped the nation at this week's #pms. We see you Kemi, we see you.

    https://x.com/montie/status/2062583859720671443


  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,138

    Meanwhile in the dark Reform rabbit hole that some ex-tories have fallen into:

    Tim Montgomerie 🇬🇧
    @montie

    A big week in my estimation of @KemiBadenoch. She is big about not making party politics out of the Nowak tragedy while making every party political point she can at every opportunity - and clearly conspiring with Keir Starmer in doing so. It was a particular giveaway that she didn't ask any question on the issue that's gripped the nation at this week's #pms. We see you Kemi, we see you.

    https://x.com/montie/status/2062583859720671443


    Kemi will score that as a win
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,784

    Meanwhile in the dark Reform rabbit hole that some ex-tories have fallen into:

    Tim Montgomerie 🇬🇧
    @montie

    A big week in my estimation of @KemiBadenoch. She is big about not making party politics out of the Nowak tragedy while making every party political point she can at every opportunity - and clearly conspiring with Keir Starmer in doing so. It was a particular giveaway that she didn't ask any question on the issue that's gripped the nation at this week's #pms. We see you Kemi, we see you.

    https://x.com/montie/status/2062583859720671443


    What a tw@t.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,361
    Stephen Yaxley-Lennon says Sikhs are ok.

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,233
    Not a Pork Market though, mostly.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805
    edited 6:11PM
    Andy_JS said:
    I don't take points from Kisin ever since he did a 180 after criticising Vance for ambushing Zelensky, after his increasingly Maga audience didn't like it.

    I've seen him be quite erudite and insightful, but he sold out his beliefs to chase his audience that day, his explanation for doing so was very unconvincing, so unlike, say, Kruger, I cannot accept him as sincere.

    And if I don't think the speaker can be trusted to believe what they say - whether or not i like what that is - they are not worth listening to at all.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805

    Meanwhile in the dark Reform rabbit hole that some ex-tories have fallen into:

    Tim Montgomerie 🇬🇧
    @montie

    A big week in my estimation of @KemiBadenoch. She is big about not making party politics out of the Nowak tragedy while making every party political point she can at every opportunity - and clearly conspiring with Keir Starmer in doing so. It was a particular giveaway that she didn't ask any question on the issue that's gripped the nation at this week's #pms. We see you Kemi, we see you.

    https://x.com/montie/status/2062583859720671443


    Kemi will score that as a win
    As tempting as that is, with Reform lying about what she has said and decent personal polling, it hasn't (yet) helped the party recover in the polls.

    I fear people like being angry, and Kemi comes across as mealy mouthed to those people vs Reform.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,195

    Meanwhile in the dark Reform rabbit hole that some ex-tories have fallen into:

    Tim Montgomerie 🇬🇧
    @montie

    A big week in my estimation of @KemiBadenoch. She is big about not making party politics out of the Nowak tragedy while making every party political point she can at every opportunity - and clearly conspiring with Keir Starmer in doing so. It was a particular giveaway that she didn't ask any question on the issue that's gripped the nation at this week's #pms. We see you Kemi, we see you.

    https://x.com/montie/status/2062583859720671443


    What a tw@t.
    Montgomerie was the future and in the central command of Tory PR once.

    He's wrong about Reform

    He's not wrong about seeing Badenochs desperation and lack of integrity for not admitting the Police Officers were enacting Tory Policy
  • TresTres Posts: 3,653

    https://x.com/danny__kruger/status/2062573777314054278

    The hypocrisy over Reform's comments on the Henry Nowak murder is nauseating. Labour & LibDem MPs (and a bunch of confused Tories trying to have it both ways) are hyperventilating that Nigel said he feels 'rage' about the two-tier policing on display, as if reflecting public anger is somehow illegitimate; meanwhile they are doing exactly what they accuse us of, namely using the tragedy to score political points.

    Reform is doing what politicians should - pointing out how an individual situation reflects a general problem, and making suggestions to meet it. Our opponents all did exactly that (including proclaiming their anger, rage etc - no 'calm', 'be responsible' guff then) over George Floyd, a case rather beyond our jurisdiction - when it's a British boy saying 'I can't breathe' as he lies dying on a British street, it's an occasion to attack Nigel Farage and talk about police racism.

    This is why the British Left has lost the people. If the government continues to be run by the agents of mass migration and the instigators of two-tier policing we will have a REAL far-right revolt, and that will not be pretty.

    can we call it the Kruger revolt then?
  • TresTres Posts: 3,653

    Cicero said:

    https://x.com/danny__kruger/status/2062573777314054278

    The hypocrisy over Reform's comments on the Henry Nowak murder is nauseating. Labour & LibDem MPs (and a bunch of confused Tories trying to have it both ways) are hyperventilating that Nigel said he feels 'rage' about the two-tier policing on display, as if reflecting public anger is somehow illegitimate; meanwhile they are doing exactly what they accuse us of, namely using the tragedy to score political points.

    Reform is doing what politicians should - pointing out how an individual situation reflects a general problem, and making suggestions to meet it. Our opponents all did exactly that (including proclaiming their anger, rage etc - no 'calm', 'be responsible' guff then) over George Floyd, a case rather beyond our jurisdiction - when it's a British boy saying 'I can't breathe' as he lies dying on a British street, it's an occasion to attack Nigel Farage and talk about police racism.

    This is why the British Left has lost the people. If the government continues to be run by the agents of mass migration and the instigators of two-tier policing we will have a REAL far-right revolt, and that will not be pretty.

    Danny Kruger knows his new boss has been found out...
    Farage is guilty of the charge of being an effective opposition leader.
    Effective at what?
    starting riots
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,850
    Nigelb said:

    https://x.com/danny__kruger/status/2062573777314054278

    The hypocrisy over Reform's comments on the Henry Nowak murder is nauseating. Labour & LibDem MPs (and a bunch of confused Tories trying to have it both ways) are hyperventilating that Nigel said he feels 'rage' about the two-tier policing on display, as if reflecting public anger is somehow illegitimate..

    That's a load of shite.
    Farage isn't "reflecting" anything; he's helping foment it.

    The argument might have a chance of standing up if everyone else was saying 'nothing to see here', but they clearly aren't. The disquiet over the police response is far from exclusive to Farage's mob.
    On many of the issues they are. There are denials about two-tier policing and obfuscation over the issue of exemptions from rules about carrying knives.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,784
    Brixian59 said:

    Meanwhile in the dark Reform rabbit hole that some ex-tories have fallen into:

    Tim Montgomerie 🇬🇧
    @montie

    A big week in my estimation of @KemiBadenoch. She is big about not making party politics out of the Nowak tragedy while making every party political point she can at every opportunity - and clearly conspiring with Keir Starmer in doing so. It was a particular giveaway that she didn't ask any question on the issue that's gripped the nation at this week's #pms. We see you Kemi, we see you.

    https://x.com/montie/status/2062583859720671443


    What a tw@t.
    Montgomerie was the future and in the central command of Tory PR once.

    He's wrong about Reform

    He's not wrong about seeing Badenochs desperation and lack of integrity for not admitting the Police Officers were enacting Tory Policy
    As a non Tory I am relieved that Badenoch is likely to run through to the next GE. Nonetheless she has been right to stop short of going full Farage on the case this week, although Philp went there.

    I do wonder whether Farage becomes an even bigger hero to his core 25% but really, really pisses everyone else off.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,335
    I say nasty things about Nigel Farage

    The Farage Riots: Nigel shows his true colours. And they are NOT red, white and blue.
    https://youtu.be/hhXIf3eqsSY
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,951

    Stephen Yaxley-Lennon says Sikhs are ok.

    Could make a reality TV game show around this. Get some patriot panellists on, and they could decide whether particular families are ok or to be deported. 4 deports and it happens for real, 4 oks they get a free meal at spoons.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,949
    This looks good for political junkies: https://x.com/i/status/2062463061789663637
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,449

    Here's a thought about Keir Starmer: Suppose he knew that economies were better in the US states where labor unions were weak, than where they were strong. (Which has been true for years and years.)

    What could he do, knowing that, and still keep his union support?

    Increase taxes and use it to subsidise failing firms

  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,813

    Meanwhile in the dark Reform rabbit hole that some ex-tories have fallen into:

    Tim Montgomerie 🇬🇧
    @montie

    A big week in my estimation of @KemiBadenoch. She is big about not making party politics out of the Nowak tragedy while making every party political point she can at every opportunity - and clearly conspiring with Keir Starmer in doing so. It was a particular giveaway that she didn't ask any question on the issue that's gripped the nation at this week's #pms. We see you Kemi, we see you.

    https://x.com/montie/status/2062583859720671443


    "We see you Kemi, we see you"

    Christ, he really has flipped. Sad, really.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,138
    Brixian59 said:

    Meanwhile in the dark Reform rabbit hole that some ex-tories have fallen into:

    Tim Montgomerie 🇬🇧
    @montie

    A big week in my estimation of @KemiBadenoch. She is big about not making party politics out of the Nowak tragedy while making every party political point she can at every opportunity - and clearly conspiring with Keir Starmer in doing so. It was a particular giveaway that she didn't ask any question on the issue that's gripped the nation at this week's #pms. We see you Kemi, we see you.

    https://x.com/montie/status/2062583859720671443


    What a tw@t.
    Montgomerie was the future and in the central command of Tory PR once.

    He's wrong about Reform

    He's not wrong about seeing Badenochs desperation and lack of integrity for not admitting the Police Officers were enacting Tory Policy
    Kemi has won many plaudits from across politics for her measured and concillatory tone no matter your personal problems with her

    The 2025 policy is the key one which even Starmer admits needs reviewing

    You are attempting to discredit Kemi and defacto no better than Farage Montgomery and the rest
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,155
    edited 6:24PM
    This is the Tory shadow secretary of state for justice and shadow lord chancellor.

    "Nick Timothy
    There is no equality before the law. Identity politics is hardwired into British justice
    The politics of racial and religious identity have corroded police judgment and warped our criminal justice system" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/04/equality-before-law-identity-politics-britain-courts

    He hasn't been sacked, so presumbably Kemi agrees?
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,813

    Cicero said:

    https://x.com/danny__kruger/status/2062573777314054278

    The hypocrisy over Reform's comments on the Henry Nowak murder is nauseating. Labour & LibDem MPs (and a bunch of confused Tories trying to have it both ways) are hyperventilating that Nigel said he feels 'rage' about the two-tier policing on display, as if reflecting public anger is somehow illegitimate; meanwhile they are doing exactly what they accuse us of, namely using the tragedy to score political points.

    Reform is doing what politicians should - pointing out how an individual situation reflects a general problem, and making suggestions to meet it. Our opponents all did exactly that (including proclaiming their anger, rage etc - no 'calm', 'be responsible' guff then) over George Floyd, a case rather beyond our jurisdiction - when it's a British boy saying 'I can't breathe' as he lies dying on a British street, it's an occasion to attack Nigel Farage and talk about police racism.

    This is why the British Left has lost the people. If the government continues to be run by the agents of mass migration and the instigators of two-tier policing we will have a REAL far-right revolt, and that will not be pretty.

    Danny Kruger knows his new boss has been found out...
    Farage is guilty of the charge of being an effective opposition leader.
    Actually, he's guilty of being a gobshite, utterly irresponsible populist, bought and sold by overseas-based crypto billionaires.
  • Montgomerie is just another grifter like Goodwin.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,134
    edited 6:32PM

    Stephen Yaxley-Lennon says Sikhs are ok.

    Buenas Noches, Political Betting.
    He probably has a local Sikh bloke that he likes, or gave him a good deal on something. "You lot are O.K. You can stay."
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,866
    Andy_JS said:

    This is the Tory shadow secretary of state for justice and shadow lord chancellor.

    "Nick Timothy
    There is no equality before the law. Identity politics is hardwired into British justice
    The politics of racial and religious identity have corroded police judgment and warped our criminal justice system" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/04/equality-before-law-identity-politics-britain-courts

    He hasn't been sacked, so presumbably Kemi agrees?

    On one hand, give Kemi a bit of time.

    On the other- it highlights Kemi's problem. The intellectually coherent thing would be to sack Nick Timothy, and possibly hand him a map of Westminster with the route to Reform HQ helpfully marked in blue highlighter. But that has downsides.

    I still think she should do it, though.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,233

    I say nasty things about Nigel Farage

    The Farage Riots: Nigel shows his true colours. And they are NOT red, white and blue.
    https://youtu.be/hhXIf3eqsSY

    What colours are the Russian flag?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,691

    https://x.com/danny__kruger/status/2062573777314054278

    The hypocrisy over Reform's comments on the Henry Nowak murder is nauseating. Labour & LibDem MPs (and a bunch of confused Tories trying to have it both ways) are hyperventilating that Nigel said he feels 'rage' about the two-tier policing on display, as if reflecting public anger is somehow illegitimate; meanwhile they are doing exactly what they accuse us of, namely using the tragedy to score political points.

    Reform is doing what politicians should - pointing out how an individual situation reflects a general problem, and making suggestions to meet it. Our opponents all did exactly that (including proclaiming their anger, rage etc - no 'calm', 'be responsible' guff then) over George Floyd, a case rather beyond our jurisdiction - when it's a British boy saying 'I can't breathe' as he lies dying on a British street, it's an occasion to attack Nigel Farage and talk about police racism.

    This is why the British Left has lost the people. If the government continues to be run by the agents of mass migration and the instigators of two-tier policing we will have a REAL far-right revolt, and that will not be pretty.

    I'm sensing the advent of a Million White Van Man March on Westminster where Farage will preach the word:

    "I have a dream ... that one day very soon I will ascend to number 10 Downing St on the back of the votes of all you mugs who lap up my bullshit about how native white brits can't get a break in their own country anymore because of the liberal elite bending the knee to the woke monstrosity of DEI and critical race theory."
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,771

    Cicero said:

    https://x.com/danny__kruger/status/2062573777314054278

    The hypocrisy over Reform's comments on the Henry Nowak murder is nauseating. Labour & LibDem MPs (and a bunch of confused Tories trying to have it both ways) are hyperventilating that Nigel said he feels 'rage' about the two-tier policing on display, as if reflecting public anger is somehow illegitimate; meanwhile they are doing exactly what they accuse us of, namely using the tragedy to score political points.

    Reform is doing what politicians should - pointing out how an individual situation reflects a general problem, and making suggestions to meet it. Our opponents all did exactly that (including proclaiming their anger, rage etc - no 'calm', 'be responsible' guff then) over George Floyd, a case rather beyond our jurisdiction - when it's a British boy saying 'I can't breathe' as he lies dying on a British street, it's an occasion to attack Nigel Farage and talk about police racism.

    This is why the British Left has lost the people. If the government continues to be run by the agents of mass migration and the instigators of two-tier policing we will have a REAL far-right revolt, and that will not be pretty.

    Danny Kruger knows his new boss has been found out...
    Farage is guilty of the charge of being an effective opposition leader.
    Effective at what?
    Local election results 7th May 2026.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,866

    Montgomerie is just another grifter like Goodwin.

    Not quite- he has a deeper rooting in mainstream conservatism, going back to when he was IDS's muse. The whole compassionate conservatism/Centre for Social Justice thing was his, and not just a grift. Blimey, that was 20 years ago.

    But he has definitely fallen down the rabbit hole in recent years.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,850

    Andy_JS said:

    This is the Tory shadow secretary of state for justice and shadow lord chancellor.

    "Nick Timothy
    There is no equality before the law. Identity politics is hardwired into British justice
    The politics of racial and religious identity have corroded police judgment and warped our criminal justice system" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/04/equality-before-law-identity-politics-britain-courts

    He hasn't been sacked, so presumbably Kemi agrees?

    On one hand, give Kemi a bit of time.

    On the other- it highlights Kemi's problem. The intellectually coherent thing would be to sack Nick Timothy, and possibly hand him a map of Westminster with the route to Reform HQ helpfully marked in blue highlighter. But that has downsides.

    I still think she should do it, though.
    She'd have to sack Chris Philp as well.

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2026-06-02/debates/3963D88D-EDF1-48F4-ADF8-A41071446D0A/MurderOfHenryNowak

    This has not happened by accident; it is enshrined in the police’s own policy documents. The police anti-racism commitment, published in March 2025 by the National Police Chiefs’ Council and the College of Policing, urges police forces to reverse-engineer arrest rates for ethnic groups so that those rates are the same, even though the offending rates are different, by treating different ethnic groups differently. Let that sink in for a moment: an official police document actually says that people should be treated differently based on the colour of their skin. I have said before at this Dispatch Box—at least twice—that that document should be withdrawn. The dangerous ideology of so-called anti-racism, which allows people to be treated differently based on race, must end.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,361

    Andy_JS said:

    This is the Tory shadow secretary of state for justice and shadow lord chancellor.

    "Nick Timothy
    There is no equality before the law. Identity politics is hardwired into British justice
    The politics of racial and religious identity have corroded police judgment and warped our criminal justice system" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/04/equality-before-law-identity-politics-britain-courts

    He hasn't been sacked, so presumbably Kemi agrees?

    On one hand, give Kemi a bit of time.

    On the other- it highlights Kemi's problem. The intellectually coherent thing would be to sack Nick Timothy, and possibly hand him a map of Westminster with the route to Reform HQ helpfully marked in blue highlighter. But that has downsides.

    I still think she should do it, though.
    She could just make him May's chief policy advisor again rather than sack him. Purgatory.



  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,679
    Evening all :)

    Danny Kruger's attempt to provide an intellectual justification for Farage is risible but it's noticeable how much of a gap this has opened between Reform and the Conservatives.

    This obviously provides Badenoch (who is gambling politically as much as Burnham on Reform) with an opportunity. The opportunity is the possibility of establishing a clear niche as the alternative to BOTH Reform AND Labour. We still know very little of the policy details and the weight of the 2019-24 experience lags like an anchor but she has a chance to re-establish the Conservatives as the clear pragmatic moderate centre-"right" alternative.

    Politicisation of these events, however much Mark Nowak and others may wish it otherwise, is inevitable. There's an anger out there, call it a sense of injustice, frustration or whatever but it clearly exists and it is the basis of support for Reform and Restore (and others).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,361
    edited 6:42PM
    Pippa Crerar

    @PippaCrerar

    Since his selection for Makerfield, Burnham has navigated a difficult path between setting out his vision for government, while trying to reassure locals he’s not just using them as stepping stone to power.

    In our @guardian interview he:

    * indicates there would be *no* snap election if he replaces Keir Starmer, but defends himself from criticism of running a shadow l’ship campaign

    * says Labour should be a broad church with more ministers from left - but Jeremy Corbyn should not be let back in

    * defends his comments that politicians should not be “in hock” to bond markets - and denies he’s boxed himself in on fiscal rules

    * signals he’d begin transforming broken social care system *this year* if he becomes PM


    https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/2062590209250959783





    I need details!!!
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,949

    Cicero said:

    https://x.com/danny__kruger/status/2062573777314054278

    The hypocrisy over Reform's comments on the Henry Nowak murder is nauseating. Labour & LibDem MPs (and a bunch of confused Tories trying to have it both ways) are hyperventilating that Nigel said he feels 'rage' about the two-tier policing on display, as if reflecting public anger is somehow illegitimate; meanwhile they are doing exactly what they accuse us of, namely using the tragedy to score political points.

    Reform is doing what politicians should - pointing out how an individual situation reflects a general problem, and making suggestions to meet it. Our opponents all did exactly that (including proclaiming their anger, rage etc - no 'calm', 'be responsible' guff then) over George Floyd, a case rather beyond our jurisdiction - when it's a British boy saying 'I can't breathe' as he lies dying on a British street, it's an occasion to attack Nigel Farage and talk about police racism.

    This is why the British Left has lost the people. If the government continues to be run by the agents of mass migration and the instigators of two-tier policing we will have a REAL far-right revolt, and that will not be pretty.

    Danny Kruger knows his new boss has been found out...
    Farage is guilty of the charge of being an effective opposition leader.
    Effective at what?
    Framing issues and strategic communication. He now owns the position of abolishing two-tier policing and equalising the laws on carrying knives.
    Is two tier policing when Farage claims he was targeted by an arson attack, but the police report makes no mention of arson?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,866

    Andy_JS said:

    This is the Tory shadow secretary of state for justice and shadow lord chancellor.

    "Nick Timothy
    There is no equality before the law. Identity politics is hardwired into British justice
    The politics of racial and religious identity have corroded police judgment and warped our criminal justice system" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/04/equality-before-law-identity-politics-britain-courts

    He hasn't been sacked, so presumbably Kemi agrees?

    On one hand, give Kemi a bit of time.

    On the other- it highlights Kemi's problem. The intellectually coherent thing would be to sack Nick Timothy, and possibly hand him a map of Westminster with the route to Reform HQ helpfully marked in blue highlighter. But that has downsides.

    I still think she should do it, though.
    She could just make him May's chief policy advisor again rather than sack him. Purgatory.



    Harsh on TMexPM. She was a failure, but that feels like cruel and unusual punishment.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,850
    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2062607200858604027

    Zelensky has tonight published an open letter to Putin calling for a meeting between them
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,691

    Montgomerie is just another grifter like Goodwin.

    Not quite- he has a deeper rooting in mainstream conservatism, going back to when he was IDS's muse. The whole compassionate conservatism/Centre for Social Justice thing was his, and not just a grift. Blimey, that was 20 years ago.

    But he has definitely fallen down the rabbit hole in recent years.
    Perhaps there's an element of needing to justify to himself his decision to defect to Reform.

    Post hoc something something.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,361
    edited 6:52PM

    Stephen Yaxley-Lennon says Sikhs are ok.

    Could make a reality TV game show around this. Get some patriot panellists on, and they could decide whether particular families are ok or to be deported. 4 deports and it happens for real, 4 oks they get a free meal at spoons.
    OMG. I can see it now. And Channel 4 as well - just for the last fainting vibes of edginess.

  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,655
    kinabalu said:

    Can't believe the fuss but that's Sainsburys out for me. White eggs boil my piss.

    Boil for 7 minutes. Not too runny and not too hard.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,134
    edited 6:54PM
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Danny Kruger's attempt to provide an intellectual justification for Farage is risible but it's noticeable how much of a gap this has opened between Reform and the Conservatives.

    This obviously provides Badenoch (who is gambling politically as much as Burnham on Reform) with an opportunity. The opportunity is the possibility of establishing a clear niche as the alternative to BOTH Reform AND Labour. We still know very little of the policy details and the weight of the 2019-24 experience lags like an anchor but she has a chance to re-establish the Conservatives as the clear pragmatic moderate centre-"right" alternative.

    Politicisation of these events, however much Mark Nowak and others may wish it otherwise, is inevitable. There's an anger out there, call it a sense of injustice, frustration or whatever but it clearly exists and it is the basis of support for Reform and Restore (and others).

    Interesting thoughts.

    I think people also may need to think a liitle more about Badenoch's own position. The fact that she's on the Right doesn't mean she won't have experienced racism herself as a result of broad prejudices about black people, which she now sees Farage and Lowe apparently stirring up against another group.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,499
    Kemi is trying to bring her former members back.

    I've just a phone call from the Cons inviting me to return. It is about 4 years since I left.

    A good opportunity to explain that I do not wish to rejoin due to their road safety culture war, and their turning their coats on the 20mph limit in Wales where they used to demand that the Welsh Government were not moving quickly enough.

    I am probably now off the list ! I wonder if they report back.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,951

    Stephen Yaxley-Lennon says Sikhs are ok.

    Could make a reality TV game show around this. Get some patriot panellists on, and they could decide whether particular families are ok or to be deported. 4 deports and it happens for real, 4 oks they get a free meal at spoons.
    OMG. I can see it now. And Channel 4 as well - just for the last fainting vibes of edginess.

    No I think it would be Channel 5 or GBeebies. Channel 4 could do an alternative show where a panel of 12 Sikhs, decide if Tommy Robinson and various other patriots are ok or not. If not, an afternoon in the stocks, if ok, that free meal at spoons.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,771
    edited 6:57PM

    Stephen Yaxley-Lennon says Sikhs are ok.

    Could make a reality TV game show around this. Get some patriot panellists on, and they could decide whether particular families are ok or to be deported. 4 deports and it happens for real, 4 oks they get a free meal at spoons.
    OMG. I can see it now. And Channel 4 as well - just for the last fainting vibes of edginess.

    Channel 4 News were reporting from Tehran tonight! For the whole hour!
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,679

    Andy_JS said:

    This is the Tory shadow secretary of state for justice and shadow lord chancellor.

    "Nick Timothy
    There is no equality before the law. Identity politics is hardwired into British justice
    The politics of racial and religious identity have corroded police judgment and warped our criminal justice system" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/04/equality-before-law-identity-politics-britain-courts

    He hasn't been sacked, so presumbably Kemi agrees?

    On one hand, give Kemi a bit of time.

    On the other- it highlights Kemi's problem. The intellectually coherent thing would be to sack Nick Timothy, and possibly hand him a map of Westminster with the route to Reform HQ helpfully marked in blue highlighter. But that has downsides.

    I still think she should do it, though.
    Quite clearly, there's a factional struggle emerging within the Conservatives.

    On the one hand, you have those who are basically Reform-lite and see a future joined or merged party as the single "right" political movement.

    On the other, you have Badenoch and others who see a revived Conservative Party as a distinct political vehicle from Reform not signing upto the populist elements of the Farage platform and indeed seeking to regain the mantle of moderate pragmatism which the party once enjoyed and indeed profited from electorally.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,555

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Danny Kruger's attempt to provide an intellectual justification for Farage is risible but it's noticeable how much of a gap this has opened between Reform and the Conservatives.

    This obviously provides Badenoch (who is gambling politically as much as Burnham on Reform) with an opportunity. The opportunity is the possibility of establishing a clear niche as the alternative to BOTH Reform AND Labour. We still know very little of the policy details and the weight of the 2019-24 experience lags like an anchor but she has a chance to re-establish the Conservatives as the clear pragmatic moderate centre-"right" alternative.

    Politicisation of these events, however much Mark Nowak and others may wish it otherwise, is inevitable. There's an anger out there, call it a sense of injustice, frustration or whatever but it clearly exists and it is the basis of support for Reform and Restore (and others).

    Interesting thoughts.

    I think people also may need to think a liitle more about Badenoch's own position. The fact that she's on the Right doesn't mean she won't have experienced racism herself as a result of broad prejudices about black people, which she now sees Farage and Lowe apparently stirring up against another group.
    She's also had a middle class left-winger physically hit her for refusing to conform to her view of what a black person should be. She's experienced the pointy end of the race machine.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,134
    edited 7:03PM
    stodge said:

    Andy_JS said:

    This is the Tory shadow secretary of state for justice and shadow lord chancellor.

    "Nick Timothy
    There is no equality before the law. Identity politics is hardwired into British justice
    The politics of racial and religious identity have corroded police judgment and warped our criminal justice system" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/04/equality-before-law-identity-politics-britain-courts

    He hasn't been sacked, so presumbably Kemi agrees?

    On one hand, give Kemi a bit of time.

    On the other- it highlights Kemi's problem. The intellectually coherent thing would be to sack Nick Timothy, and possibly hand him a map of Westminster with the route to Reform HQ helpfully marked in blue highlighter. But that has downsides.

    I still think she should do it, though.
    Quite clearly, there's a factional struggle emerging within the Conservatives.

    On the one hand, you have those who are basically Reform-lite and see a future joined or merged party as the single "right" political movement.

    On the other, you have Badenoch and others who see a revived Conservative Party as a distinct political vehicle from Reform not signing upto the populist elements of the Farage platform and indeed seeking to regain the mantle of moderate pragmatism which the party once enjoyed and indeed profited from electorally.
    Indeed. I think the big question is, what are the proportions of each.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 26,268
    Clearly @Roger has not read the Mann Report. Here it is. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/lord-mann-review-on-antisemitism-and-other-forms-of-racism-in-the-nhs/lord-mann-review-of-antisemitism-and-other-forms-of-racism-in-the-nhs-and-healthcare-regulatory-system. It deals with racism in the NHS - against Jews, Muslims, Sikhs and others. The previous report was co-authored with Penny Mordaunt.

    I'd have thought @ Roger would be against racism. But who can tell with him.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,134
    edited 7:10PM
    Cookie said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Danny Kruger's attempt to provide an intellectual justification for Farage is risible but it's noticeable how much of a gap this has opened between Reform and the Conservatives.

    This obviously provides Badenoch (who is gambling politically as much as Burnham on Reform) with an opportunity. The opportunity is the possibility of establishing a clear niche as the alternative to BOTH Reform AND Labour. We still know very little of the policy details and the weight of the 2019-24 experience lags like an anchor but she has a chance to re-establish the Conservatives as the clear pragmatic moderate centre-"right" alternative.

    Politicisation of these events, however much Mark Nowak and others may wish it otherwise, is inevitable. There's an anger out there, call it a sense of injustice, frustration or whatever but it clearly exists and it is the basis of support for Reform and Restore (and others).

    Interesting thoughts.

    I think people also may need to think a liitle more about Badenoch's own position. The fact that she's on the Right doesn't mean she won't have experienced racism herself as a result of broad prejudices about black people, which she now sees Farage and Lowe apparently stirring up against another group.
    She's also had a middle class left-winger physically hit her for refusing to conform to her view of what a black person should be. She's experienced the pointy end of the race machine.
    Perhaps, and at some point probably also people like the Southampton hooligans that she knows Farage has played a part in stirring up, too.

    I have a feeling a non-minority Tory leader might be taking a different stance at this point, and just carefully calibrating a more strategic and neutral response to both wings of her party. The Cameron legacy lives on, in who he brought on board.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 26,268
    rkrkrk said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    HYUFD said:

    I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.

    Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
    Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.

    Do we really need them?
    The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.

    Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
    Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.

    A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
    Slebs who would be a better ceremonial head of state than Chaz:

    Lewis Hamilton
    David Beckham
    Bob Mortimer
    Joanna Lumley
    Olivia Colman
    All of those are less intellectual with less gravitas wisdom and class
    Bob Mortimer comfortably exceeds Chaz's capabilities in all those criteria. And he played youth football for Boro.
    Olivia Coleman for me. Cambridge entry on merit and somehow is in bloody everything and yet we all think she's great. The Crown was basically an audition.
    I don't. She was woefully miscast as the Queen in The Crown and gave a very wooden performance which completely ruined the series for me. Stopped watching it in consequence.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,516
    @kiranstacey

    EXC: Reform’s Andrea Jenkyns walked out of a meeting with other mayors and Steve Reed today after a heated row over the murder of Henry Nowak and the subsequent street violence.

    https://x.com/kiranstacey/status/2062608653484474752?s=20
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,126
    Cyclefree said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    HYUFD said:

    I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.

    Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
    Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.

    Do we really need them?
    The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.

    Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
    Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.

    A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
    Slebs who would be a better ceremonial head of state than Chaz:

    Lewis Hamilton
    David Beckham
    Bob Mortimer
    Joanna Lumley
    Olivia Colman
    All of those are less intellectual with less gravitas wisdom and class
    Bob Mortimer comfortably exceeds Chaz's capabilities in all those criteria. And he played youth football for Boro.
    Olivia Coleman for me. Cambridge entry on merit and somehow is in bloody everything and yet we all think she's great. The Crown was basically an audition.
    I don't. She was woefully miscast as the Queen in The Crown and gave a very wooden performance which completely ruined the series for me. Stopped watching it in consequence.
    How on earth did she become a so-called National Treasure. She’s an adequate enough actress but….
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