The Treasury probably should take control. From February 2025 to January 2026 the projected program cost increased by 35% to nearly £50 billion. If things continue in this manner, the RAF will consist entirely of one GCAP delivered in 2050 and they won't be able to afford to put fuel in it.
It's shaping up, much like Typhoon, to be an incredibly expensive disarmament program as so much else will have to be sacrificed for it.
It's certainly a hard and consequential decision either to go ahead with, or kill the program. I'm not sure why you think the Treasury "taking control" will improve the way it's managed, though.
Key criticisms included perverse incentives & annualisation creating a situation where "Living within annual budgets is prioritised over delivery..." with recommendations that included flexible project budgets & streamlined decision-making (all well known improvements).
The Treasury ultimately accepted the Office for Value for Money's report, but to the surprise of the Commons Public Accounts Committee, restricted the implementation of its improvements to just three projects (GCAP would the the fourth). https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5901/cmselect/cmpubacc/642/report.html
The Treasury has been accused before, with some justification, of trying to become a government within the government. I'm not convinced that would turn out any better under Reeves...
There could be a deep game going on here. Delay to get the Japanese out and the Germans in. It's already going to be 2040+ if nothing else goes wrong which is much later than Japan would like.
Japan are only in it due to the tories transitory passion for the Indo-Pacific which lasted about 15 minutes. They will almost certainly order more a/c than the UK and therefore be the senior partner with the greatest workshare. While the Japanese are honorary whites, I'm not sure the British establishment could handle it. Germany would be a smaller partner that wouldn't contend workshare as much and are a better industrial fit.
Also, Germany probably gets Spain in too and then the Eurofighter band is back together.
That's rather at odds with the project requirement for a very long range aircraft - maritime nations like Japan and the UK have much more in common than with Germany, whose needs are likely very different.
There's also the wild card of a full stealth second generation KF21, in collaboration with S Korea, which would be a LOT cheaper.
Sainsbury has stopped selling brown eggs because white ones have a lower carbon footprint. They must have been talking to the moron that is Ed Miliband. Well they can fuck right off. I'll shop elsewhere or get some from my neighbour.
As it happens, I think white eggs look better but now I've read that I'm annoyed. I don't like to be preached out or my food choices influenced by others.
Sainsbury's went full Woke a while ago - and they seem to have trained all their checkout staff to go full American now, and strike up conversation with you about your day - so I now avoid it.
It's as low as Asda, and not far off Iceland levels.
Not much evidence of that in East Ham High Street. Too busy trying to help people with the self service checkouts.
That para looks like a conflation of "woke" with "things I do not like".
On the heggs, that feels to me like a tyranny of the averages, where it is a small enough difference to find hens with brown eggs that have a lower carbon footprint.
It's a dilemma for Restore UK - do they now have to prioritise the brown over the white?
My neighbour-with-hens up the road, where my eggs occasionally comes from, has a hen that lays blue tinted eggs.
I wonder what they make of that?
The predominance of brown eggs is simply because people in the 70s thought they must be better for you, like brown bread.
My grandparents struggled to sell white eggs from their farm back in the 1950s, because even back then it was widely believed that brown eggs were more nutritious.
As a more general observation, there's an incredibly fine line for politicians to walk when commenting on a particular case or issue between making a point and appearing to be opportunistic.
Tragedies like us force us to confront some unpleasant observations and perhaps truths about the kind of society we live in and the divergence from the society in which we would like to live. The world isn't perfect - that doesn't mean we should ever stop trying to make it perfect - but it isn't. MIstakes are made - often, as I said last evening, by people overworked, under pressure and lacking support and experience.
In this country, we police by consent, not through the power of the State. The nature of that consent, which was once predicated on deference, has changed or evolved and is more about transparency and accountability. As society has fragmented and diverged, so naturally have the expectations of what we expect and want from the Police and that will vary from community to community though all have to live within the law of the land.
If we do not have a Police force which is representative of communities and general society, a gap opens which is progressively more difficult to close. That's a real challenge for those who see it in one dimensional terms.
Apparently a Chinese company making blades for wind turbines in the north of Scotland is a security risk while building Chninese cars in Sunderland is not. Anyone care to break this down for a simple lad like me (no need to bring mega embassies in the heart of the capital into it).
Well in Sunderland all the workers will be employed by Nissan who will be building the cars for Chery. It’s also keeping the factory open which given the mess Nissan is in (outside the UK) is great news.
Sainsbury has stopped selling brown eggs because white ones have a lower carbon footprint. They must have been talking to the moron that is Ed Miliband. Well they can fuck right off. I'll shop elsewhere or get some from my neighbour.
As it happens, I think white eggs look better but now I've read that I'm annoyed. I don't like to be preached out or my food choices influenced by others.
Sainsbury's went full Woke a while ago - and they seem to have trained all their checkout staff to go full American now, and strike up conversation with you about your day - so I now avoid it.
It's as low as Asda, and not far off Iceland levels.
Not much evidence of that in East Ham High Street. Too busy trying to help people with the self service checkouts.
That para looks like a conflation of "woke" with "things I do not like".
On the heggs, that feels to me like a tyranny of the averages, where it is a small enough difference to find hens with brown eggs that have a lower carbon footprint.
It's a dilemma for Restore UK - do they now have to prioritise the brown over the white?
My neighbour-with-hens up the road, where my eggs occasionally comes from, has a hen that lays blue tinted eggs.
I wonder what they make of that?
Fun fact - the colour of hens' eggs is genetically linked to the colour of their earlobes.
Waitrose have sold white eggs for years. They are no better and no worse than brown eggs. The predominance of brown eggs is simply because people in the 70s thought they must be better for you, like brown bread.
Being perceived as a premium item, though, is it not slightly more likely that the nutrition and living conditions of the brown egg hens is on average higher than that of the white ?
Breed of hen determines the colour. Smaller hens tend to lay white (And slightly smaller) eggs so it's as much a cost saving by Sainsburys as anything else...
It isn't the breed of hen which determines the colour of the egg, it is down to the strain of the breed. For the twentieth century brown eggs have been preferred in the UK and white eggs in the US and so the hens have been bought and bred accordingly.
As for the carbon footprint, clearly if you stick 12 hens in a cage and give them minimum light they will have a lower carbon foot print that hens allowed to roam freely which need to be managed. The hens which can stand that will be from US strains and so will lay white eggs. What comes around goes around but hens which are allowed to roam freely will be bound to have a higher carbon footprint. Sure cages aren't allowed now thank goodness, but if they were then Ed could reduce the carbon footprint even further. Someone needs to ask him if he craves a return to battery hens ?
"Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"
Employment rates (2022 figures): White 77% Black 69%
Stop and search (2023 figures) per 100,000: White British 5.6 Black 24.5
Court judges (2024 figures) v working age population (2021 figures): White 89.6% v 80.7% Black 1.3% v 4.4%
Median earnings (2022): White £14.35 per hour Black £13.53 per hour
Employment - controlled for education? Stop and search - controlled for location, criminal tendency (ie gang membership) etc? Judges - controlled for age? Earnings - controlled for education?
Those are all raw figures. Court judges is compared with the working age population.
The ADR UK report linked to above does more in terms of trying to control for other factors.
Raw figures are pretty meaningless.
It’s a particular bugbear of mine that people look at the percentage of, say, court judges in their 60s who are black and say “it’s too low, we’re racist”.
No. It just means that 35 years ago we had fewer black lawyers qualifying, and hence have a smaller pool of candidates for judges today. It will work itself out over time
Raw figures are a good starting point. But, yes, these are complex phenomena where it can be difficult to know what factors are at play…
… which is what I’ve been saying in reaction to the headless chickens running around claiming we have two tier policing and anti-white racism based on one event that we still don’t know the full details of.
A totally fiat point. Here's another one. The incident was in December last year, essentially 6 months ago. So why hasn't the investigation into the policed conduct been completed? It didn't need to wait for the court case to finish, the outcome would not affect what happened on the night. If I had any power I'd be getting that report finished asap.
But then the next problem will be if the report doesn't match the narrative for the far right, they will claim it's a whitewash. A better question might be how have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative?
The IOPC investigation clearly cannot be published until the court case is finished. Certain facts in the report will depend on the court case's conclusion, so it can't be finished before the court case concludes (e.g., it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too). Hopefully, we will see the report soon.
(I note that the IOPC's budget was cut by the Tories, more than a third in real terms since 2018, so that's going to make it harder for them to carry out thorough investigations in a timely manner.)
It is clear that some on the right are not interested in reading anything that might contradict that on which they have already made up their mind. This was apparent on the previous thread.
How have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative? Because the radical right in the US has been pushing a white grievance model, and the radical right in the UK have taken that up.
There’s a video going the rounds of police in full riot gear, sitting on a bloke. Another policeman is kneeing him in the head, repeatedly and deliberately.
It’s amusing to send the link to various people and get their reactions. Since you can’t tell anything about the chap on the group - not even colour.
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.
Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.
A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
No the King was anointed by the God of all creation at the coronation. Most heads of state of republics are politicians or ex politicians
Hmmm. In his case trained from birth, but many haven't been eg George VI, Elizabeth II, although in the latter case a decent apprenticeship. Many have had none at all. It has been thrust upon them or grabbed by them
And how did this God Anointing happen? Was Edward anointed by God and then God changed his mind. How about Lady Jane Grey or Richard III / Henry VII or goodness knows how many in the past where the crown flips or a monarch is killed and usurped by another. God seems a little fickle in his anointing.
Oops just noted you said coronation which nullifies at least one of my examples, but you get the point.
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.
Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.
A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
No the King was anointed by the God of all creation at the coronation. Most heads of state of republics are politicians or ex politicians
Hmmm. In his case trained from birth, but many haven't been eg George VI, Elizabeth II, although in the latter case a decent apprenticeship. Many have had none at all. It has been thrust upon them or grabbed by them
And how did this God Anointing happen? Was Edward anointed by God and then God changed his mind. How about Lady Jane Grey or Richard III / Henry VII or goodness knows how many in the past where the crown flips or a monarch is killed and usurped by another. God seems a little fickle in his anointing.
Oops just noted you said coronation which nullifies one of my examples, but you get the point.
"Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"
Employment rates (2022 figures): White 77% Black 69%
Stop and search (2023 figures) per 100,000: White British 5.6 Black 24.5
Court judges (2024 figures) v working age population (2021 figures): White 89.6% v 80.7% Black 1.3% v 4.4%
Median earnings (2022): White £14.35 per hour Black £13.53 per hour
Employment - controlled for education? Stop and search - controlled for location, criminal tendency (ie gang membership) etc? Judges - controlled for age? Earnings - controlled for education?
Those are all raw figures. Court judges is compared with the working age population.
The ADR UK report linked to above does more in terms of trying to control for other factors.
Raw figures are pretty meaningless.
It’s a particular bugbear of mine that people look at the percentage of, say, court judges in their 60s who are black and say “it’s too low, we’re racist”.
No. It just means that 35 years ago we had fewer black lawyers qualifying, and hence have a smaller pool of candidates for judges today. It will work itself out over time
Raw figures are a good starting point. But, yes, these are complex phenomena where it can be difficult to know what factors are at play…
… which is what I’ve been saying in reaction to the headless chickens running around claiming we have two tier policing and anti-white racism based on one event that we still don’t know the full details of.
A totally fiat point. Here's another one. The incident was in December last year, essentially 6 months ago. So why hasn't the investigation into the policed conduct been completed? It didn't need to wait for the court case to finish, the outcome would not affect what happened on the night. If I had any power I'd be getting that report finished asap.
But then the next problem will be if the report doesn't match the narrative for the far right, they will claim it's a whitewash. A better question might be how have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative?
The IOPC investigation clearly cannot be published until the court case is finished. Certain facts in the report will depend on the court case's conclusion, so it can't be finished before the court case concludes (e.g., it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too). Hopefully, we will see the report soon.
(I note that the IOPC's budget was cut by the Tories, more than a third in real terms since 2018, so that's going to make it harder for them to carry out thorough investigations in a timely manner.)
It is clear that some on the right are not interested in reading anything that might contradict that on which they have already made up their mind. This was apparent on the previous thread.
How have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative? Because the radical right in the US has been pushing a white grievance model, and the radical right in the UK have taken that up.
There’s a video going the rounds of police in full riot gear, sitting on a bloke. Another policeman is kneeing him in the head, repeatedly and deliberately.
It’s amusing to send the link to various people and get their reactions. Since you can’t tell anything about the chap on the group - not even colour.
Apparently a Chinese company making blades for wind turbines in the north of Scotland is a security risk while building Chninese cars in Sunderland is not. Anyone care to break this down for a simple lad like me (no need to bring mega embassies in the heart of the capital into it).
Can’t go into detail but there are some tricky restrictions around driving them into dockyards etc. Someone in the security services is nervous about them.
If you say so. The cited reasons given by our colonial excuse-makers is on the one hand unsuitability of the turbines for UK offshore grids while on the other access to and integration with critical energy infrastructure. I sense a lack of joined up thinking.
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.
Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.
A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
No the King was anointed by the God of all creation at the coronation. Most heads of state of republics are politicians or ex politicians
Hmmm. In his case trained from birth, but many haven't been eg George VI, Elizabeth II, although in the latter case a decent apprenticeship. Many have had none at all. It has been thrust upon them or grabbed by them
And how did this God Anointing happen? Was Edward anointed by God and then God changed his mind. How about Lady Jane Grey or Richard III / Henry VII or goodness knows how many in the past where the crown flips or a monarch is killed and usurped by another. God seems a little fickle in his anointing.
Even George VI would have seen how his brother did the role and the late Queen had fifteen years preparation for the role after her father became King.
Even Henry VII or Richard III were anointed by God at their coronations. Though we are long passed the days we decided our monarchs in battle, in those days the monarch was also head of government. Now the PM is head of government, the monarch is just ceremonial head of state
Sainsbury has stopped selling brown eggs because white ones have a lower carbon footprint. They must have been talking to the moron that is Ed Miliband. Well they can fuck right off. I'll shop elsewhere or get some from my neighbour.
As it happens, I think white eggs look better but now I've read that I'm annoyed. I don't like to be preached out or my food choices influenced by others.
Sainsbury's went full Woke a while ago - and they seem to have trained all their checkout staff to go full American now, and strike up conversation with you about your day - so I now avoid it.
It's as low as Asda, and not far off Iceland levels.
Not much evidence of that in East Ham High Street. Too busy trying to help people with the self service checkouts.
That para looks like a conflation of "woke" with "things I do not like".
On the heggs, that feels to me like a tyranny of the averages, where it is a small enough difference to find hens with brown eggs that have a lower carbon footprint.
It's a dilemma for Restore UK - do they now have to prioritise the brown over the white?
My neighbour-with-hens up the road, where my eggs occasionally comes from, has a hen that lays blue tinted eggs.
I wonder what they make of that?
Fun fact - the colour of hens' eggs is genetically linked to the colour of their earlobes.
Waitrose have sold white eggs for years. They are no better and no worse than brown eggs. The predominance of brown eggs is simply because people in the 70s thought they must be better for you, like brown bread.
Being perceived as a premium item, though, is it not slightly more likely that the nutrition and living conditions of the brown egg hens is on average higher than that of the white ?
Breed of hen determines the colour. Smaller hens tend to lay white (And slightly smaller) eggs so it's as much a cost saving by Sainsburys as anything else...
It isn't the breed of hen which determines the colour of the egg, it is down to the strain of the breed. For the twentieth century brown eggs have been preferred in the UK and white eggs in the US and so the hens have been bought and bred accordingly.
As for the carbon footprint, clearly if you stick 12 hens in a cage and give them minimum light they will have a lower carbon foot print that hens allowed to roam freely which need to be managed. The hens which can stand that will be from US strains and so will lay white eggs. What comes around goes around but hens which are allowed to roam freely will be bound to have a higher carbon footprint. Sure cages aren't allowed now thank goodness, but if they were then Ed could reduce the carbon footprint even further. Someone needs to ask him if he craves a return to battery hens ?
Is that actually true? I’d have thought the difference would be minimal if it exists.
Of course, free range = less space for cows and the horrendous levels of methane they produce . Need to look at the opportunity cost and chicken is always going to be most efficient way to get your protein.
Just like he didn't the last time. I am starting to fear our Wes is just a little bit delusional.
I think he is mostly playing the long game, and putting a marker down for the future.
He should reflect on the wisdom of C S Lewis: "You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending."
Right now I would say his future in front line politics is looking distinctly limited. Making an enemy of Burnham will confirm this.
Point of order: surely as a novelist C S Lewis could actually go back and change the beginning?
I am intrigued by the novel writing process, though it's not something I could ever do. How much is planned out in detail before being written up or should we believe those novelists who say they just start writing and the novel emerges as if by divine inspiration as they go?
Any PB authors care to share?
Not sure if I count as a PB author since I almost exclusively lurk, but I'm a published fantasy author* - one book published and my second currently going through the editing process. Different authors have wildly different approaches to the planning process. Speaking for myself, I pretty much have a vague premise and a desired conclusion and then I just write. It seems to work well for me, but I'm good at keeping a lot of things straight in my head at the same time.
*Not the day job, just a hobby that pays me a bit of money.
Sainsbury has stopped selling brown eggs because white ones have a lower carbon footprint. They must have been talking to the moron that is Ed Miliband. Well they can fuck right off. I'll shop elsewhere or get some from my neighbour.
As it happens, I think white eggs look better but now I've read that I'm annoyed. I don't like to be preached out or my food choices influenced by others.
Sainsbury's went full Woke a while ago - and they seem to have trained all their checkout staff to go full American now, and strike up conversation with you about your day - so I now avoid it.
It's as low as Asda, and not far off Iceland levels.
Not much evidence of that in East Ham High Street. Too busy trying to help people with the self service checkouts.
That para looks like a conflation of "woke" with "things I do not like".
On the heggs, that feels to me like a tyranny of the averages, where it is a small enough difference to find hens with brown eggs that have a lower carbon footprint.
It's a dilemma for Restore UK - do they now have to prioritise the brown over the white?
My neighbour-with-hens up the road, where my eggs occasionally comes from, has a hen that lays blue tinted eggs.
I wonder what they make of that?
Fun fact - the colour of hens' eggs is genetically linked to the colour of their earlobes.
Waitrose have sold white eggs for years. They are no better and no worse than brown eggs. The predominance of brown eggs is simply because people in the 70s thought they must be better for you, like brown bread.
Being perceived as a premium item, though, is it not slightly more likely that the nutrition and living conditions of the brown egg hens is on average higher than that of the white ?
Breed of hen determines the colour. Smaller hens tend to lay white (And slightly smaller) eggs so it's as much a cost saving by Sainsburys as anything else...
It isn't the breed of hen which determines the colour of the egg, it is down to the strain of the breed. For the twentieth century brown eggs have been preferred in the UK and white eggs in the US and so the hens have been bought and bred accordingly.
As for the carbon footprint, clearly if you stick 12 hens in a cage and give them minimum light they will have a lower carbon foot print that hens allowed to roam freely which need to be managed. The hens which can stand that will be from US strains and so will lay white eggs. What comes around goes around but hens which are allowed to roam freely will be bound to have a higher carbon footprint. Sure cages aren't allowed now thank goodness, but if they were then Ed could reduce the carbon footprint even further. Someone needs to ask him if he craves a return to battery hens ?
Genuine question (as I have no knowledge of this), but how do battery hens have a lower carbon footprint than free range hens. Every element of this seems to imply to a novice like me that the opposite would be true (light, heat, food, waste, etc)
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.
Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.
A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
Slebs who would be a better ceremonial head of state than Chaz:
Lewis Hamilton David Beckham Bob Mortimer Joanna Lumley Olivia Colman
All of those are less intellectual with less gravitas wisdom and class than our King and all would be worse heads of state. Joanna Lumley is the only one who comes close but she is a monarchist anyway. As I said most head of state of republics are politicians or ex politicians not celebrities so President Farage or Blair is the norm
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.
Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.
A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
No the King was anointed by the God of all creation at the coronation. Most heads of state of republics are politicians or ex politicians
Hmmm. In his case trained from birth, but many haven't been eg George VI, Elizabeth II, although in the latter case a decent apprenticeship. Many have had none at all. It has been thrust upon them or grabbed by them
And how did this God Anointing happen? Was Edward anointed by God and then God changed his mind. How about Lady Jane Grey or Richard III / Henry VII or goodness knows how many in the past where the crown flips or a monarch is killed and usurped by another. God seems a little fickle in his anointing.
Oops just noted you said coronation which nullifies at least one of my examples, but you get the point.
“ All of your ridiculous pitiful antics aren't gonna change a thing. You and me, we're puppets in the same sick game. We serve the same master, and he's a lunatic and he's ungrateful. But there's nothing we can do about it”
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.
Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.
A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
Slebs who would be a better ceremonial head of state than Chaz:
Lewis Hamilton David Beckham Bob Mortimer Joanna Lumley Olivia Colman
All of those are less intellectual with less gravitas wisdom and class than our King and all would be worse heads of state. Joanna Lumley is the only one who comes close but she is a monarchist anyway
Nothing screams class like getting an underling to squeeze toothpaste for you and being a fantasy tampon.
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.
Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.
A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
No the King was anointed by the God of all creation at the coronation. Most heads of state of republics are politicians or ex politicians
Hmmm. In his case trained from birth, but many haven't been eg George VI, Elizabeth II, although in the latter case a decent apprenticeship. Many have had none at all. It has been thrust upon them or grabbed by them
And how did this God Anointing happen? Was Edward anointed by God and then God changed his mind. How about Lady Jane Grey or Richard III / Henry VII or goodness knows how many in the past where the crown flips or a monarch is killed and usurped by another. God seems a little fickle in his anointing.
Oops just noted you said coronation which nullifies one of my examples, but you get the point.
Monty Python and the Holy HYUFD.
And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three. No more. No less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shalt be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it."
Apparently a Chinese company making blades for wind turbines in the north of Scotland is a security risk while building Chninese cars in Sunderland is not. Anyone care to break this down for a simple lad like me (no need to bring mega embassies in the heart of the capital into it).
Can’t go into detail but there are some tricky restrictions around driving them into dockyards etc. Someone in the security services is nervous about them.
If you say so. The cited reasons given by our colonial excuse-makers is on the one hand unsuitability of the turbines for UK offshore grids while on the other access to and integration with critical energy infrastructure. I sense a lack of joined up thinking.
Is it that for the one thing there are realistic European options, and for the other, not ?
"Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"
Employment rates (2022 figures): White 77% Black 69%
Stop and search (2023 figures) per 100,000: White British 5.6 Black 24.5
Court judges (2024 figures) v working age population (2021 figures): White 89.6% v 80.7% Black 1.3% v 4.4%
Median earnings (2022): White £14.35 per hour Black £13.53 per hour
Employment - controlled for education? Stop and search - controlled for location, criminal tendency (ie gang membership) etc? Judges - controlled for age? Earnings - controlled for education?
Those are all raw figures. Court judges is compared with the working age population.
The ADR UK report linked to above does more in terms of trying to control for other factors.
Raw figures are pretty meaningless.
It’s a particular bugbear of mine that people look at the percentage of, say, court judges in their 60s who are black and say “it’s too low, we’re racist”.
No. It just means that 35 years ago we had fewer black lawyers qualifying, and hence have a smaller pool of candidates for judges today. It will work itself out over time
Raw figures are a good starting point. But, yes, these are complex phenomena where it can be difficult to know what factors are at play…
… which is what I’ve been saying in reaction to the headless chickens running around claiming we have two tier policing and anti-white racism based on one event that we still don’t know the full details of.
A totally fiat point. Here's another one. The incident was in December last year, essentially 6 months ago. So why hasn't the investigation into the policed conduct been completed? It didn't need to wait for the court case to finish, the outcome would not affect what happened on the night. If I had any power I'd be getting that report finished asap.
But then the next problem will be if the report doesn't match the narrative for the far right, they will claim it's a whitewash. A better question might be how have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative?
The IOPC investigation clearly cannot be published until the court case is finished. Certain facts in the report will depend on the court case's conclusion, so it can't be finished before the court case concludes (e.g., it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too). Hopefully, we will see the report soon.
(I note that the IOPC's budget was cut by the Tories, more than a third in real terms since 2018, so that's going to make it harder for them to carry out thorough investigations in a timely manner.)
It is clear that some on the right are not interested in reading anything that might contradict that on which they have already made up their mind. This was apparent on the previous thread.
How have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative? Because the radical right in the US has been pushing a white grievance model, and the radical right in the UK have taken that up.
As I'm a bit thick, why would this be true? " it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too". The actions of the officers on the night do not go back and change via quantum entanglement if Digwa is found guilty or innocent surely? I totally understand why the report could not be released before the conclusion of the trial for obvious reasons. But as an investigation of the actions of the police officers, why does Digwa's guilt or innocence matter?
Lord Mann is a complete clown. He's made a career of wanting to be Jewish and he is seen as a slavering buffoon.Only Starmer could be taken in.
So you think it’s appropriate for public (or private) sector workers to be able to make statements about their personal political beliefs without considering the impact it might have on customers?
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.
Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.
A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
Slebs who would be a better ceremonial head of state than Chaz:
Lewis Hamilton David Beckham Bob Mortimer Joanna Lumley Olivia Colman
All of those are less intellectual with less gravitas wisdom and class than our King and all would be worse heads of state. Joanna Lumley is the only one who comes close but she is a monarchist anyway. As I said most head of state of republics are politicians or ex politicians not celebrities so President Farage or Blair is the norm
How on earth do you know how intellectual those people are? Much as I quite like Charles he isn't the brightest button in the box and Hamilton, Mortimer, Lumley and Colman don't come over as stupid, so how can you make such a statement as if it is fact. Sure he will know stuff that they don't know, but equally they know stuff he doesn't know.
Mortimer, Lumley and Colman would be fun as head of state.
Sainsbury has stopped selling brown eggs because white ones have a lower carbon footprint. They must have been talking to the moron that is Ed Miliband. Well they can fuck right off. I'll shop elsewhere or get some from my neighbour.
If you get tired of munching the brown shells I can get you some gravel. Interesting I'd always assumed the shells were down to the minerals they ate rather than chicken breed. Apparently the hens that lay white eggs are also less prone to pecking each other. Anyway if you've been provoked to a frothing rage by the colour of your egg "wrapper" it doesn't say much for your critical faculties.
Sainsbury has stopped selling brown eggs because white ones have a lower carbon footprint. They must have been talking to the moron that is Ed Miliband. Well they can fuck right off. I'll shop elsewhere or get some from my neighbour.
As it happens, I think white eggs look better but now I've read that I'm annoyed. I don't like to be preached out or my food choices influenced by others.
Sainsbury's went full Woke a while ago - and they seem to have trained all their checkout staff to go full American now, and strike up conversation with you about your day - so I now avoid it.
It's as low as Asda, and not far off Iceland levels.
Not much evidence of that in East Ham High Street. Too busy trying to help people with the self service checkouts.
That para looks like a conflation of "woke" with "things I do not like".
On the heggs, that feels to me like a tyranny of the averages, where it is a small enough difference to find hens with brown eggs that have a lower carbon footprint.
It's a dilemma for Restore UK - do they now have to prioritise the brown over the white?
My neighbour-with-hens up the road, where my eggs occasionally comes from, has a hen that lays blue tinted eggs.
I wonder what they make of that?
Fun fact - the colour of hens' eggs is genetically linked to the colour of their earlobes.
Waitrose have sold white eggs for years. They are no better and no worse than brown eggs. The predominance of brown eggs is simply because people in the 70s thought they must be better for you, like brown bread.
Being perceived as a premium item, though, is it not slightly more likely that the nutrition and living conditions of the brown egg hens is on average higher than that of the white ?
Breed of hen determines the colour. Smaller hens tend to lay white (And slightly smaller) eggs so it's as much a cost saving by Sainsburys as anything else...
It isn't the breed of hen which determines the colour of the egg, it is down to the strain of the breed. For the twentieth century brown eggs have been preferred in the UK and white eggs in the US and so the hens have been bought and bred accordingly.
As for the carbon footprint, clearly if you stick 12 hens in a cage and give them minimum light they will have a lower carbon foot print that hens allowed to roam freely which need to be managed. The hens which can stand that will be from US strains and so will lay white eggs. What comes around goes around but hens which are allowed to roam freely will be bound to have a higher carbon footprint. Sure cages aren't allowed now thank goodness, but if they were then Ed could reduce the carbon footprint even further. Someone needs to ask him if he craves a return to battery hens ?
Genuine question (as I have no knowledge of this), but how do battery hens have a lower carbon footprint than free range hens. Every element of this seems to imply to a novice like me that the opposite would be true (light, heat, food, waste, etc)
Free range (as in wandering around the farmyard style) relies on waste food lying about. And you still need to provide secure perches for the birds.
So it takes quite a lot of inputs. And because the density is very low, relatively, the proportion of overheads per bird will be high.
Economy of scale and all that.
Bit like hand catching salmon from the river vs farming them.
"Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"
Employment rates (2022 figures): White 77% Black 69%
Stop and search (2023 figures) per 100,000: White British 5.6 Black 24.5
Court judges (2024 figures) v working age population (2021 figures): White 89.6% v 80.7% Black 1.3% v 4.4%
Median earnings (2022): White £14.35 per hour Black £13.53 per hour
Employment - controlled for education? Stop and search - controlled for location, criminal tendency (ie gang membership) etc? Judges - controlled for age? Earnings - controlled for education?
Those are all raw figures. Court judges is compared with the working age population.
The ADR UK report linked to above does more in terms of trying to control for other factors.
Raw figures are pretty meaningless.
It’s a particular bugbear of mine that people look at the percentage of, say, court judges in their 60s who are black and say “it’s too low, we’re racist”.
No. It just means that 35 years ago we had fewer black lawyers qualifying, and hence have a smaller pool of candidates for judges today. It will work itself out over time
Raw figures are a good starting point. But, yes, these are complex phenomena where it can be difficult to know what factors are at play…
… which is what I’ve been saying in reaction to the headless chickens running around claiming we have two tier policing and anti-white racism based on one event that we still don’t know the full details of.
A totally fiat point. Here's another one. The incident was in December last year, essentially 6 months ago. So why hasn't the investigation into the policed conduct been completed? It didn't need to wait for the court case to finish, the outcome would not affect what happened on the night. If I had any power I'd be getting that report finished asap.
But then the next problem will be if the report doesn't match the narrative for the far right, they will claim it's a whitewash. A better question might be how have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative?
The IOPC investigation clearly cannot be published until the court case is finished. Certain facts in the report will depend on the court case's conclusion, so it can't be finished before the court case concludes (e.g., it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too). Hopefully, we will see the report soon.
(I note that the IOPC's budget was cut by the Tories, more than a third in real terms since 2018, so that's going to make it harder for them to carry out thorough investigations in a timely manner.)
It is clear that some on the right are not interested in reading anything that might contradict that on which they have already made up their mind. This was apparent on the previous thread.
How have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative? Because the radical right in the US has been pushing a white grievance model, and the radical right in the UK have taken that up.
As I'm a bit thick, why would this be true? " it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too". The actions of the officers on the night do not go back and change via quantum entanglement if Digwa is found guilty or innocent surely? I totally understand why the report could not be released before the conclusion of the trial for obvious reasons. But as an investigation of the actions of the police officers, why does Digwa's guilt or innocence matter?
Can you not see a difference between "the police wrongly took the word of the murderer" and "the police wrongly took the word of someone who had been attacked by Nowak" (which was Digwa's defence AIUI)?
Sainsbury has stopped selling brown eggs because white ones have a lower carbon footprint. They must have been talking to the moron that is Ed Miliband. Well they can fuck right off. I'll shop elsewhere or get some from my neighbour.
As it happens, I think white eggs look better but now I've read that I'm annoyed. I don't like to be preached out or my food choices influenced by others.
Sainsbury's went full Woke a while ago - and they seem to have trained all their checkout staff to go full American now, and strike up conversation with you about your day - so I now avoid it.
It's as low as Asda, and not far off Iceland levels.
Not much evidence of that in East Ham High Street. Too busy trying to help people with the self service checkouts.
That para looks like a conflation of "woke" with "things I do not like".
On the heggs, that feels to me like a tyranny of the averages, where it is a small enough difference to find hens with brown eggs that have a lower carbon footprint.
It's a dilemma for Restore UK - do they now have to prioritise the brown over the white?
My neighbour-with-hens up the road, where my eggs occasionally comes from, has a hen that lays blue tinted eggs.
I wonder what they make of that?
Fun fact - the colour of hens' eggs is genetically linked to the colour of their earlobes.
Waitrose have sold white eggs for years. They are no better and no worse than brown eggs. The predominance of brown eggs is simply because people in the 70s thought they must be better for you, like brown bread.
Being perceived as a premium item, though, is it not slightly more likely that the nutrition and living conditions of the brown egg hens is on average higher than that of the white ?
Breed of hen determines the colour. Smaller hens tend to lay white (And slightly smaller) eggs so it's as much a cost saving by Sainsburys as anything else...
It isn't the breed of hen which determines the colour of the egg, it is down to the strain of the breed. For the twentieth century brown eggs have been preferred in the UK and white eggs in the US and so the hens have been bought and bred accordingly.
As for the carbon footprint, clearly if you stick 12 hens in a cage and give them minimum light they will have a lower carbon foot print that hens allowed to roam freely which need to be managed. The hens which can stand that will be from US strains and so will lay white eggs. What comes around goes around but hens which are allowed to roam freely will be bound to have a higher carbon footprint. Sure cages aren't allowed now thank goodness, but if they were then Ed could reduce the carbon footprint even further. Someone needs to ask him if he craves a return to battery hens ?
Genuine question (as I have no knowledge of this), but how do battery hens have a lower carbon footprint than free range hens. Every element of this seems to imply to a novice like me that the opposite would be true (light, heat, food, waste, etc)
Battery hens will not need additional food to keep warm or compensate for exercise.
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.
Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.
A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
Slebs who would be a better ceremonial head of state than Chaz:
Lewis Hamilton David Beckham Bob Mortimer Joanna Lumley Olivia Colman
All of those are less intellectual with less gravitas wisdom and class than our King and all would be worse heads of state. Joanna Lumley is the only one who comes close but she is a monarchist anyway. As I said most head of state of republics are politicians or ex politicians not celebrities so President Farage or Blair is the norm
How on earth do you know how intellectual those people are? Much as I quite like Charles he isn't the brightest button in the box and Hamilton, Mortimer, Lumley and Colman don't come over as stupid, so how can you make such a statement as if it is fact. Sure he will know stuff that they don't know, but equally they know stuff he doesn't know.
Mortimer, Lumley and Colman would be fun as head of state.
Colman has also prepared for the role, having played it.
The Telegraph egg piece is an eggscellent tabloid story. The Telegraph know exactly how to egg on their readers by feeding them the wrong end of the shtick. Great fun !
According to the piece, this is a move back to the 1970s (is that not what all these people want?), when it all went brown because of a false belief that brown eggs were "healthier" (see wholemeal bread) and false claims about white eggs being "bleached". That is, it is all media narrative anyway.
And that Sainsbury's are also doing it for cost (white egg hens are more efficient per amount of food given to the hen) and higher welfare (less hen pecking amongst those breeds) reasons.
There are not a few people in the comments getting quite eggsasperated, and confirming that they will spend more money on their inefficiently produced brown eggs, as long as they know it is damaging the environment more.
I have advised them all to buy blue heggs. Green is also available. Turquoise - I'm not sure.
"Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"
Employment rates (2022 figures): White 77% Black 69%
Stop and search (2023 figures) per 100,000: White British 5.6 Black 24.5
Court judges (2024 figures) v working age population (2021 figures): White 89.6% v 80.7% Black 1.3% v 4.4%
Median earnings (2022): White £14.35 per hour Black £13.53 per hour
Employment - controlled for education? Stop and search - controlled for location, criminal tendency (ie gang membership) etc? Judges - controlled for age? Earnings - controlled for education?
Those are all raw figures. Court judges is compared with the working age population.
The ADR UK report linked to above does more in terms of trying to control for other factors.
Raw figures are pretty meaningless.
It’s a particular bugbear of mine that people look at the percentage of, say, court judges in their 60s who are black and say “it’s too low, we’re racist”.
No. It just means that 35 years ago we had fewer black lawyers qualifying, and hence have a smaller pool of candidates for judges today. It will work itself out over time
Raw figures are a good starting point. But, yes, these are complex phenomena where it can be difficult to know what factors are at play…
… which is what I’ve been saying in reaction to the headless chickens running around claiming we have two tier policing and anti-white racism based on one event that we still don’t know the full details of.
A totally fiat point. Here's another one. The incident was in December last year, essentially 6 months ago. So why hasn't the investigation into the policed conduct been completed? It didn't need to wait for the court case to finish, the outcome would not affect what happened on the night. If I had any power I'd be getting that report finished asap.
But then the next problem will be if the report doesn't match the narrative for the far right, they will claim it's a whitewash. A better question might be how have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative?
The IOPC investigation clearly cannot be published until the court case is finished. Certain facts in the report will depend on the court case's conclusion, so it can't be finished before the court case concludes (e.g., it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too). Hopefully, we will see the report soon.
(I note that the IOPC's budget was cut by the Tories, more than a third in real terms since 2018, so that's going to make it harder for them to carry out thorough investigations in a timely manner.)
It is clear that some on the right are not interested in reading anything that might contradict that on which they have already made up their mind. This was apparent on the previous thread.
How have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative? Because the radical right in the US has been pushing a white grievance model, and the radical right in the UK have taken that up.
As I'm a bit thick, why would this be true? " it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too". The actions of the officers on the night do not go back and change via quantum entanglement if Digwa is found guilty or innocent surely? I totally understand why the report could not be released before the conclusion of the trial for obvious reasons. But as an investigation of the actions of the police officers, why does Digwa's guilt or innocence matter?
Can you not see a difference between "the police wrongly took the word of the murderer" and "the police wrongly took the word of someone who had been attacked by Nowak" (which was Digwa's defence AIUI)?
No. There was a man lying on the ground with 4 stab wounds which would prove to be fatal. Who the F*** cares who or what he was? He needed urgent medical help. He did not need handcuffs.
Sainsbury has stopped selling brown eggs because white ones have a lower carbon footprint. They must have been talking to the moron that is Ed Miliband. Well they can fuck right off. I'll shop elsewhere or get some from my neighbour.
As it happens, I think white eggs look better but now I've read that I'm annoyed. I don't like to be preached out or my food choices influenced by others.
Sainsbury's went full Woke a while ago - and they seem to have trained all their checkout staff to go full American now, and strike up conversation with you about your day - so I now avoid it.
It's as low as Asda, and not far off Iceland levels.
Not much evidence of that in East Ham High Street. Too busy trying to help people with the self service checkouts.
That para looks like a conflation of "woke" with "things I do not like".
On the heggs, that feels to me like a tyranny of the averages, where it is a small enough difference to find hens with brown eggs that have a lower carbon footprint.
It's a dilemma for Restore UK - do they now have to prioritise the brown over the white?
My neighbour-with-hens up the road, where my eggs occasionally comes from, has a hen that lays blue tinted eggs.
I wonder what they make of that?
Fun fact - the colour of hens' eggs is genetically linked to the colour of their earlobes.
Waitrose have sold white eggs for years. They are no better and no worse than brown eggs. The predominance of brown eggs is simply because people in the 70s thought they must be better for you, like brown bread.
Being perceived as a premium item, though, is it not slightly more likely that the nutrition and living conditions of the brown egg hens is on average higher than that of the white ?
Breed of hen determines the colour. Smaller hens tend to lay white (And slightly smaller) eggs so it's as much a cost saving by Sainsburys as anything else...
It isn't the breed of hen which determines the colour of the egg, it is down to the strain of the breed. For the twentieth century brown eggs have been preferred in the UK and white eggs in the US and so the hens have been bought and bred accordingly.
As for the carbon footprint, clearly if you stick 12 hens in a cage and give them minimum light they will have a lower carbon foot print that hens allowed to roam freely which need to be managed. The hens which can stand that will be from US strains and so will lay white eggs. What comes around goes around but hens which are allowed to roam freely will be bound to have a higher carbon footprint. Sure cages aren't allowed now thank goodness, but if they were then Ed could reduce the carbon footprint even further. Someone needs to ask him if he craves a return to battery hens ?
Genuine question (as I have no knowledge of this), but how do battery hens have a lower carbon footprint than free range hens. Every element of this seems to imply to a novice like me that the opposite would be true (light, heat, food, waste, etc)
Free range (as in wandering around the farmyard style) relies on waste food lying about. And you still need to provide secure perches for the birds.
So it takes quite a lot of inputs. And because the density is very low, relatively, the proportion of overheads per bird will be high.
Economy of scale and all that.
Bit like hand catching salmon from the river vs farming them.
But aren't you looking at economics rather than the environment. The statement was to do with the environment. The salmon example is a good one as farming them is harmful and catching from a river isn't.
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.
Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.
A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
Slebs who would be a better ceremonial head of state than Chaz:
Lewis Hamilton David Beckham Bob Mortimer Joanna Lumley Olivia Colman
All of those are less intellectual with less gravitas wisdom and class than our King and all would be worse heads of state. Joanna Lumley is the only one who comes close but she is a monarchist anyway
Nothing screams class like getting an underling to squeeze toothpaste for you and being a fantasy tampon.
The King has a wealth of knowledge on a whole range of subjects from architecture to the environment to history and set up the Princes Trust. Unfortunately this site is now increasingly dominated by leftist liberals so that even relatively popular rightwing opinions like keeping the monarchy get shouted down. See the latest Leon ban while when was the last time a leftist on here was banned?
Lord Mann is a complete clown. He's made a career of wanting to be Jewish and he is seen as a slavering buffoon.Only Starmer could be taken in.
So you think it’s appropriate for public (or private) sector workers to be able to make statements about their personal political beliefs without considering the impact it might have on customers?
When I was involved in the management of a pharmacy within an NHS hospital we had, at one time, both a devout, and proselytising, Muslim and a similar Christian working in the department. They had to be, and were, both told that while their beliefs were respected the rest of the staff, and especially the patients, did NOT want to hear about them.
Lord Mann is a complete clown. He's made a career of wanting to be Jewish and he is seen as a slavering buffoon.Only Starmer could be taken in.
So you think it’s appropriate for public (or private) sector workers to be able to make statements about their personal political beliefs without considering the impact it might have on customers?
I’m imagining @Wogers reaction to a report that said NHS staff would be AOK to wear a pro-Israel button.
Imagine the potential fun in Northern Ireland, with nurses/doctors wearing a red hand badge (for example)
Once again - please channel your inner Richard Jolly.
And here’s a fun one. Would anyone be ok with this on a badge on a medico?
Lord Mann is a complete clown. He's made a career of wanting to be Jewish and he is seen as a slavering buffoon.Only Starmer could be taken in.
So you think it’s appropriate for public (or private) sector workers to be able to make statements about their personal political beliefs without considering the impact it might have on customers?
When I was involved in the management of a pharmacy within an NHS hospital we had, at one time, both a devout, and proselytising, Muslim and a similar Christian working in the department. They had to be, and were, both told that while their beliefs were respected the rest of the staff, and especially the patients, did NOT want to hear about them.
Sainsbury has stopped selling brown eggs because white ones have a lower carbon footprint. They must have been talking to the moron that is Ed Miliband. Well they can fuck right off. I'll shop elsewhere or get some from my neighbour.
As it happens, I think white eggs look better but now I've read that I'm annoyed. I don't like to be preached out or my food choices influenced by others.
Sainsbury's went full Woke a while ago - and they seem to have trained all their checkout staff to go full American now, and strike up conversation with you about your day - so I now avoid it.
It's as low as Asda, and not far off Iceland levels.
Not much evidence of that in East Ham High Street. Too busy trying to help people with the self service checkouts.
That para looks like a conflation of "woke" with "things I do not like".
On the heggs, that feels to me like a tyranny of the averages, where it is a small enough difference to find hens with brown eggs that have a lower carbon footprint.
It's a dilemma for Restore UK - do they now have to prioritise the brown over the white?
My neighbour-with-hens up the road, where my eggs occasionally comes from, has a hen that lays blue tinted eggs.
I wonder what they make of that?
"Bloody Tory hens..." Probably.
The market will sort this out surely?
When I was a kid white eggs attracted a premium. Then the fashion switched in favour of brown in the 70s (everthing switched to brown in the 70s).
PS Sainsbury's will still sell Clarence Court Burford Browns, which are the best commercially produced eggs you can get.
I have a sneaking suspicion that Agent Anderson probably likes brown dralon.
Sainsbury has stopped selling brown eggs because white ones have a lower carbon footprint. They must have been talking to the moron that is Ed Miliband. Well they can fuck right off. I'll shop elsewhere or get some from my neighbour.
As it happens, I think white eggs look better but now I've read that I'm annoyed. I don't like to be preached out or my food choices influenced by others.
Sainsbury's went full Woke a while ago - and they seem to have trained all their checkout staff to go full American now, and strike up conversation with you about your day - so I now avoid it.
It's as low as Asda, and not far off Iceland levels.
Not much evidence of that in East Ham High Street. Too busy trying to help people with the self service checkouts.
That para looks like a conflation of "woke" with "things I do not like".
On the heggs, that feels to me like a tyranny of the averages, where it is a small enough difference to find hens with brown eggs that have a lower carbon footprint.
It's a dilemma for Restore UK - do they now have to prioritise the brown over the white?
My neighbour-with-hens up the road, where my eggs occasionally comes from, has a hen that lays blue tinted eggs.
I wonder what they make of that?
Fun fact - the colour of hens' eggs is genetically linked to the colour of their earlobes.
Waitrose have sold white eggs for years. They are no better and no worse than brown eggs. The predominance of brown eggs is simply because people in the 70s thought they must be better for you, like brown bread.
Being perceived as a premium item, though, is it not slightly more likely that the nutrition and living conditions of the brown egg hens is on average higher than that of the white ?
Breed of hen determines the colour. Smaller hens tend to lay white (And slightly smaller) eggs so it's as much a cost saving by Sainsburys as anything else...
It isn't the breed of hen which determines the colour of the egg, it is down to the strain of the breed. For the twentieth century brown eggs have been preferred in the UK and white eggs in the US and so the hens have been bought and bred accordingly.
As for the carbon footprint, clearly if you stick 12 hens in a cage and give them minimum light they will have a lower carbon foot print that hens allowed to roam freely which need to be managed. The hens which can stand that will be from US strains and so will lay white eggs. What comes around goes around but hens which are allowed to roam freely will be bound to have a higher carbon footprint. Sure cages aren't allowed now thank goodness, but if they were then Ed could reduce the carbon footprint even further. Someone needs to ask him if he craves a return to battery hens ?
Genuine question (as I have no knowledge of this), but how do battery hens have a lower carbon footprint than free range hens. Every element of this seems to imply to a novice like me that the opposite would be true (light, heat, food, waste, etc)
Free range (as in wandering around the farmyard style) relies on waste food lying about. And you still need to provide secure perches for the birds.
So it takes quite a lot of inputs. And because the density is very low, relatively, the proportion of overheads per bird will be high.
Economy of scale and all that.
Bit like hand catching salmon from the river vs farming them.
But aren't you looking at economics rather than the environment. The statement was to do with the environment. The salmon example is a good one as farming them is harmful and catching from a river isn't.
You asked about carbon footprint. Battery farming is very *energy* efficient.
Indeed, it is the ruthless quest for efficiency that is the problem with it.
"Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"
Employment rates (2022 figures): White 77% Black 69%
Stop and search (2023 figures) per 100,000: White British 5.6 Black 24.5
Court judges (2024 figures) v working age population (2021 figures): White 89.6% v 80.7% Black 1.3% v 4.4%
Median earnings (2022): White £14.35 per hour Black £13.53 per hour
Employment - controlled for education? Stop and search - controlled for location, criminal tendency (ie gang membership) etc? Judges - controlled for age? Earnings - controlled for education?
Those are all raw figures. Court judges is compared with the working age population.
The ADR UK report linked to above does more in terms of trying to control for other factors.
Raw figures are pretty meaningless.
It’s a particular bugbear of mine that people look at the percentage of, say, court judges in their 60s who are black and say “it’s too low, we’re racist”.
No. It just means that 35 years ago we had fewer black lawyers qualifying, and hence have a smaller pool of candidates for judges today. It will work itself out over time
Raw figures are a good starting point. But, yes, these are complex phenomena where it can be difficult to know what factors are at play…
… which is what I’ve been saying in reaction to the headless chickens running around claiming we have two tier policing and anti-white racism based on one event that we still don’t know the full details of.
A totally fiat point. Here's another one. The incident was in December last year, essentially 6 months ago. So why hasn't the investigation into the policed conduct been completed? It didn't need to wait for the court case to finish, the outcome would not affect what happened on the night. If I had any power I'd be getting that report finished asap.
But then the next problem will be if the report doesn't match the narrative for the far right, they will claim it's a whitewash. A better question might be how have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative?
The IOPC investigation clearly cannot be published until the court case is finished. Certain facts in the report will depend on the court case's conclusion, so it can't be finished before the court case concludes (e.g., it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too). Hopefully, we will see the report soon.
(I note that the IOPC's budget was cut by the Tories, more than a third in real terms since 2018, so that's going to make it harder for them to carry out thorough investigations in a timely manner.)
It is clear that some on the right are not interested in reading anything that might contradict that on which they have already made up their mind. This was apparent on the previous thread.
How have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative? Because the radical right in the US has been pushing a white grievance model, and the radical right in the UK have taken that up.
As I'm a bit thick, why would this be true? " it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too". The actions of the officers on the night do not go back and change via quantum entanglement if Digwa is found guilty or innocent surely? I totally understand why the report could not be released before the conclusion of the trial for obvious reasons. But as an investigation of the actions of the police officers, why does Digwa's guilt or innocence matter?
Can you not see a difference between "the police wrongly took the word of the murderer" and "the police wrongly took the word of someone who had been attacked by Nowak" (which was Digwa's defence AIUI)?
No. There was a man lying on the ground with 4 stab wounds which would prove to be fatal. Who the F*** cares who or what he was? He needed urgent medical help. He did not need handcuffs.
The question before the IOPC is not whether Nowak needed urgent medical help (he clearly did), but why the police took a minute to realise that. Did they make an honest mistake? Did they commit misconduct? Were their actions the result of some policy decision or training? The actions of the police will have been affected by what they were told and their assessment of the situation. Those in turn depend on what actually happened, which was for the court case to determine.
"Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"
Employment rates (2022 figures): White 77% Black 69%
Stop and search (2023 figures) per 100,000: White British 5.6 Black 24.5
Court judges (2024 figures) v working age population (2021 figures): White 89.6% v 80.7% Black 1.3% v 4.4%
Median earnings (2022): White £14.35 per hour Black £13.53 per hour
Employment - controlled for education? Stop and search - controlled for location, criminal tendency (ie gang membership) etc? Judges - controlled for age? Earnings - controlled for education?
Those are all raw figures. Court judges is compared with the working age population.
The ADR UK report linked to above does more in terms of trying to control for other factors.
Raw figures are pretty meaningless.
It’s a particular bugbear of mine that people look at the percentage of, say, court judges in their 60s who are black and say “it’s too low, we’re racist”.
No. It just means that 35 years ago we had fewer black lawyers qualifying, and hence have a smaller pool of candidates for judges today. It will work itself out over time
Raw figures are a good starting point. But, yes, these are complex phenomena where it can be difficult to know what factors are at play…
… which is what I’ve been saying in reaction to the headless chickens running around claiming we have two tier policing and anti-white racism based on one event that we still don’t know the full details of.
A totally fiat point. Here's another one. The incident was in December last year, essentially 6 months ago. So why hasn't the investigation into the policed conduct been completed? It didn't need to wait for the court case to finish, the outcome would not affect what happened on the night. If I had any power I'd be getting that report finished asap.
But then the next problem will be if the report doesn't match the narrative for the far right, they will claim it's a whitewash. A better question might be how have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative?
The IOPC investigation clearly cannot be published until the court case is finished. Certain facts in the report will depend on the court case's conclusion, so it can't be finished before the court case concludes (e.g., it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too). Hopefully, we will see the report soon.
(I note that the IOPC's budget was cut by the Tories, more than a third in real terms since 2018, so that's going to make it harder for them to carry out thorough investigations in a timely manner.)
It is clear that some on the right are not interested in reading anything that might contradict that on which they have already made up their mind. This was apparent on the previous thread.
How have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative? Because the radical right in the US has been pushing a white grievance model, and the radical right in the UK have taken that up.
As I'm a bit thick, why would this be true? " it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too". The actions of the officers on the night do not go back and change via quantum entanglement if Digwa is found guilty or innocent surely? I totally understand why the report could not be released before the conclusion of the trial for obvious reasons. But as an investigation of the actions of the police officers, why does Digwa's guilt or innocence matter?
Can you not see a difference between "the police wrongly took the word of the murderer" and "the police wrongly took the word of someone who had been attacked by Nowak" (which was Digwa's defence AIUI)?
No. There was a man lying on the ground with 4 stab wounds which would prove to be fatal. Who the F*** cares who or what he was? He needed urgent medical help. He did not need handcuffs.
Small point. Nowak was wearing dark clothing, and it was night time. If he'd been wearing light clothing the blood would surely have been evident and the policeman's somewhat silly comment could not have been made.
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.
Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.
A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
Slebs who would be a better ceremonial head of state than Chaz:
Lewis Hamilton David Beckham Bob Mortimer Joanna Lumley Olivia Colman
All of those are less intellectual with less gravitas wisdom and class than our King and all would be worse heads of state. Joanna Lumley is the only one who comes close but she is a monarchist anyway
Nothing screams class like getting an underling to squeeze toothpaste for you and being a fantasy tampon.
The King has a wealth of knowledge on a whole range of subjects from architecture to the environment to history and set up the Princes Trust. Unfortunately this site is now increasingly dominated by leftist liberals so that even relatively popular rightwing opinions like keeping the monarchy get shouted down. See the latest Leon ban while when was the last time a leftist on here was banned?
It's not the fault of leftists or centrists (who get routinely and erroneously labelled leftists) that the right has more blowhards and trolls.
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.
Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.
A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
Slebs who would be a better ceremonial head of state than Chaz:
Lewis Hamilton David Beckham Bob Mortimer Joanna Lumley Olivia Colman
All of those are less intellectual with less gravitas wisdom and class than our King and all would be worse heads of state. Joanna Lumley is the only one who comes close but she is a monarchist anyway
Nothing screams class like getting an underling to squeeze toothpaste for you and being a fantasy tampon.
The King has a wealth of knowledge on a whole range of subjects from architecture to the environment to history and set up the Princes Trust. Unfortunately this site is now increasingly dominated by leftist liberals so that even relatively popular rightwing opinions like keeping the monarchy get shouted down. See the latest Leon ban while when was the last time a leftist on here was banned?
He didn't get banned for being right wing though did he?. He got banned for being abusive.
I have no issue with keeping the monarchy. I am happy to keep it. I do have an issue with printing nonsense about it though. It doesn't do supporting the monarchy any favours and is likely to alienate people who have no objection to it so you do more harm than good for your cause.
Also worth pointing out that most are just having fun with you because you rise to the bait.
"That's rather at odds with the project requirement for a very long range aircraft - maritime nations like Japan and the UK have much more in common than with Germany, whose needs are likely very different."
Here we go again with the Maritime Nation stuff.
We have a 200 mile EEZ which in the case of teh UK is constrained by the Continent, Ireland and Scandanavia and once the water is too deep, after about 100 miles, only has fish of value and they cost more to protect than they are worth.
Britain does of course have a collection of odd largely worthless colonial outposts but that's a historical anomoly not a vital national interest.
Regardless we still seem to believe we have both obligation and need to be able to project power way beyond our shores even though to do anything really useful is way beyond what we can afford or are willing to pay.
At least we haven't yet had it justified by realling off nonsense names from history like Drake, Raleigh and Nelson.
Reform UK has once again smashed party donation totals, raising more than £9m in the first quarter. Boosted by another £3m from Thailand-based crypto investor Harborne - just before Labour capped donations from overseas - and £4m from crypto entrepreneur Ben Delo https://x.com/LucyGJWhite/status/2062429553893462370
"Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"
Employment rates (2022 figures): White 77% Black 69%
Stop and search (2023 figures) per 100,000: White British 5.6 Black 24.5
Court judges (2024 figures) v working age population (2021 figures): White 89.6% v 80.7% Black 1.3% v 4.4%
Median earnings (2022): White £14.35 per hour Black £13.53 per hour
Employment - controlled for education? Stop and search - controlled for location, criminal tendency (ie gang membership) etc? Judges - controlled for age? Earnings - controlled for education?
Those are all raw figures. Court judges is compared with the working age population.
The ADR UK report linked to above does more in terms of trying to control for other factors.
Raw figures are pretty meaningless.
It’s a particular bugbear of mine that people look at the percentage of, say, court judges in their 60s who are black and say “it’s too low, we’re racist”.
No. It just means that 35 years ago we had fewer black lawyers qualifying, and hence have a smaller pool of candidates for judges today. It will work itself out over time
Raw figures are a good starting point. But, yes, these are complex phenomena where it can be difficult to know what factors are at play…
… which is what I’ve been saying in reaction to the headless chickens running around claiming we have two tier policing and anti-white racism based on one event that we still don’t know the full details of.
A totally fiat point. Here's another one. The incident was in December last year, essentially 6 months ago. So why hasn't the investigation into the policed conduct been completed? It didn't need to wait for the court case to finish, the outcome would not affect what happened on the night. If I had any power I'd be getting that report finished asap.
But then the next problem will be if the report doesn't match the narrative for the far right, they will claim it's a whitewash. A better question might be how have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative?
The IOPC investigation clearly cannot be published until the court case is finished. Certain facts in the report will depend on the court case's conclusion, so it can't be finished before the court case concludes (e.g., it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too). Hopefully, we will see the report soon.
(I note that the IOPC's budget was cut by the Tories, more than a third in real terms since 2018, so that's going to make it harder for them to carry out thorough investigations in a timely manner.)
It is clear that some on the right are not interested in reading anything that might contradict that on which they have already made up their mind. This was apparent on the previous thread.
How have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative? Because the radical right in the US has been pushing a white grievance model, and the radical right in the UK have taken that up.
As I'm a bit thick, why would this be true? " it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too". The actions of the officers on the night do not go back and change via quantum entanglement if Digwa is found guilty or innocent surely? I totally understand why the report could not be released before the conclusion of the trial for obvious reasons. But as an investigation of the actions of the police officers, why does Digwa's guilt or innocence matter?
Can you not see a difference between "the police wrongly took the word of the murderer" and "the police wrongly took the word of someone who had been attacked by Nowak" (which was Digwa's defence AIUI)?
No, because the actions that night in regard to Nowak shouldn't have depended on whether he was a horrible racist or not. I'd contend that the police ought to have employed the same level of scepticism about Diwga's claim as they applied to Nowak's - "I've been stabbed", "I don't think you have, mate". It makes NO difference to how they should approach and handle the scene.
Keir Starmer has pledged to get Britain building again – starting with one and a half million new homes across the country within five years of a Labour government.
In his speech to Labour Party Conference, the Labour Leader said he would recapture the dream of homeownership with help for first time buyers and new infrastructure to support families and communities.
As part of Labour’s five missions for government, Starmer promised “shovels in the ground and cranes in the sky” to deliver “more beautiful cities [and] more prosperous towns”, demanding: “A future must be built.”
“That is the responsibility of a serious government. And if we continually wash our hands of this task – we all end up stuck in a rut. Just like now,” he said.
“So it’s time to get Britain building again. It’s time to build one and half million new homes across the country.
Shrinking order books and rising economic uncertainty contributed to another steep decline in UK construction activity during May. At the same time, higher energy, fuel and transportation costs led to the fastest pace of input price inflation since June 2022.
At 38.2 in May, down from 39.7 in April, the headline seasonally adjusted S&P Global UK Construction Purchasing Managers’ Index™ (PMI®) – an index tracking changes in total industry activity – posted below the neutral 50.0 threshold for the seventeenth month running. Moreover, the rate of contraction was the steepest since May 2020. Aside from the drop in construction output at the start of the pandemic, the latest fall was the fastest since March 2009.
All three broad categories of construction work posted sharp declines in output levels during May. Residential activity (index at 36.0) was the weakest-performing segment, with survey respondents commenting on unfavourable market conditions and headwinds from elevated borrowing costs.
Commercial construction (39.0) also saw a steeper reduction in output levels in May, reflecting risk aversion among clients in response to geopolitical tensions and rising inflationary pressures. Meanwhile, civil engineering work fell at a slightly less marked rate than in April (36.2).
Total new orders across the construction sector decreased at a sharp and accelerated pace in May. Mirroring the trend for output levels, the downturn in new business intakes was the fastest for six years.
"Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"
Employment rates (2022 figures): White 77% Black 69%
Stop and search (2023 figures) per 100,000: White British 5.6 Black 24.5
Court judges (2024 figures) v working age population (2021 figures): White 89.6% v 80.7% Black 1.3% v 4.4%
Median earnings (2022): White £14.35 per hour Black £13.53 per hour
Employment - controlled for education? Stop and search - controlled for location, criminal tendency (ie gang membership) etc? Judges - controlled for age? Earnings - controlled for education?
Those are all raw figures. Court judges is compared with the working age population.
The ADR UK report linked to above does more in terms of trying to control for other factors.
Raw figures are pretty meaningless.
It’s a particular bugbear of mine that people look at the percentage of, say, court judges in their 60s who are black and say “it’s too low, we’re racist”.
No. It just means that 35 years ago we had fewer black lawyers qualifying, and hence have a smaller pool of candidates for judges today. It will work itself out over time
Raw figures are a good starting point. But, yes, these are complex phenomena where it can be difficult to know what factors are at play…
… which is what I’ve been saying in reaction to the headless chickens running around claiming we have two tier policing and anti-white racism based on one event that we still don’t know the full details of.
A totally fiat point. Here's another one. The incident was in December last year, essentially 6 months ago. So why hasn't the investigation into the policed conduct been completed? It didn't need to wait for the court case to finish, the outcome would not affect what happened on the night. If I had any power I'd be getting that report finished asap.
But then the next problem will be if the report doesn't match the narrative for the far right, they will claim it's a whitewash. A better question might be how have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative?
The IOPC investigation clearly cannot be published until the court case is finished. Certain facts in the report will depend on the court case's conclusion, so it can't be finished before the court case concludes (e.g., it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too). Hopefully, we will see the report soon.
(I note that the IOPC's budget was cut by the Tories, more than a third in real terms since 2018, so that's going to make it harder for them to carry out thorough investigations in a timely manner.)
It is clear that some on the right are not interested in reading anything that might contradict that on which they have already made up their mind. This was apparent on the previous thread.
How have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative? Because the radical right in the US has been pushing a white grievance model, and the radical right in the UK have taken that up.
As I'm a bit thick, why would this be true? " it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too". The actions of the officers on the night do not go back and change via quantum entanglement if Digwa is found guilty or innocent surely? I totally understand why the report could not be released before the conclusion of the trial for obvious reasons. But as an investigation of the actions of the police officers, why does Digwa's guilt or innocence matter?
Can you not see a difference between "the police wrongly took the word of the murderer" and "the police wrongly took the word of someone who had been attacked by Nowak" (which was Digwa's defence AIUI)?
No. There was a man lying on the ground with 4 stab wounds which would prove to be fatal. Who the F*** cares who or what he was? He needed urgent medical help. He did not need handcuffs.
Small point. Nowak was wearing dark clothing, and it was night time. If he'd been wearing light clothing the blood would surely have been evident and the policeman's somewhat silly comment could not have been made.
Its possible that it may have taken a few seconds to ascertain someone was seriously injured but what Digwa was claiming was neither here nor there once it was ascertained that he was. And the trial wasn't really about how Nowak was treated, it was about the guilt of the accused. Using the "this is an active investigation" as a means to stifle debate and concern is shameful and caused the disgraceful behaviour in Southampton.
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.
Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.
A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
Slebs who would be a better ceremonial head of state than Chaz:
Lewis Hamilton David Beckham Bob Mortimer Joanna Lumley Olivia Colman
All of those are less intellectual with less gravitas wisdom and class
Bob Mortimer comfortably exceeds Chaz's capabilities in all those criteria. And he played youth football for Boro.
Olivia Coleman for me. Cambridge entry on merit and somehow is in bloody everything and yet we all think she's great. The Crown was basically an audition.
Sainsbury has stopped selling brown eggs because white ones have a lower carbon footprint. They must have been talking to the moron that is Ed Miliband. Well they can fuck right off. I'll shop elsewhere or get some from my neighbour.
As it happens, I think white eggs look better but now I've read that I'm annoyed. I don't like to be preached out or my food choices influenced by others.
Sainsbury's went full Woke a while ago - and they seem to have trained all their checkout staff to go full American now, and strike up conversation with you about your day - so I now avoid it.
It's as low as Asda, and not far off Iceland levels.
Not much evidence of that in East Ham High Street. Too busy trying to help people with the self service checkouts.
That para looks like a conflation of "woke" with "things I do not like".
On the heggs, that feels to me like a tyranny of the averages, where it is a small enough difference to find hens with brown eggs that have a lower carbon footprint.
It's a dilemma for Restore UK - do they now have to prioritise the brown over the white?
My neighbour-with-hens up the road, where my eggs occasionally comes from, has a hen that lays blue tinted eggs.
I wonder what they make of that?
Fun fact - the colour of hens' eggs is genetically linked to the colour of their earlobes.
Waitrose have sold white eggs for years. They are no better and no worse than brown eggs. The predominance of brown eggs is simply because people in the 70s thought they must be better for you, like brown bread.
Being perceived as a premium item, though, is it not slightly more likely that the nutrition and living conditions of the brown egg hens is on average higher than that of the white ?
Breed of hen determines the colour. Smaller hens tend to lay white (And slightly smaller) eggs so it's as much a cost saving by Sainsburys as anything else...
It isn't the breed of hen which determines the colour of the egg, it is down to the strain of the breed. For the twentieth century brown eggs have been preferred in the UK and white eggs in the US and so the hens have been bought and bred accordingly.
As for the carbon footprint, clearly if you stick 12 hens in a cage and give them minimum light they will have a lower carbon foot print that hens allowed to roam freely which need to be managed. The hens which can stand that will be from US strains and so will lay white eggs. What comes around goes around but hens which are allowed to roam freely will be bound to have a higher carbon footprint. Sure cages aren't allowed now thank goodness, but if they were then Ed could reduce the carbon footprint even further. Someone needs to ask him if he craves a return to battery hens ?
Genuine question (as I have no knowledge of this), but how do battery hens have a lower carbon footprint than free range hens. Every element of this seems to imply to a novice like me that the opposite would be true (light, heat, food, waste, etc)
Free range (as in wandering around the farmyard style) relies on waste food lying about. And you still need to provide secure perches for the birds.
So it takes quite a lot of inputs. And because the density is very low, relatively, the proportion of overheads per bird will be high.
Economy of scale and all that.
Bit like hand catching salmon from the river vs farming them.
But aren't you looking at economics rather than the environment. The statement was to do with the environment. The salmon example is a good one as farming them is harmful and catching from a river isn't.
You asked about carbon footprint. Battery farming is very *energy* efficient.
Indeed, it is the ruthless quest for efficiency that is the problem with it.
Thanks. Still struggling with it though (but again based on little knowledge) as although battery farming might be energy efficient, it does use heat and lighting and needs more infrastructure and medicine a lot more than free range birds, which I assume need little.
If it is true, I assume it is the huge difference in output from battery hens that makes the carbon footprint per bird greater for a free range bird, because the gut feeling is it should be less.
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.
Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.
A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
Slebs who would be a better ceremonial head of state than Chaz:
Lewis Hamilton David Beckham Bob Mortimer Joanna Lumley Olivia Colman
All of those are less intellectual with less gravitas wisdom and class
Bob Mortimer comfortably exceeds Chaz's capabilities in all those criteria. And he played youth football for Boro.
Olivia Coleman for me. Cambridge entry on merit and somehow is in bloody everything and yet we all think she's great. The Crown was basically an audition.
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.
Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.
A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
Slebs who would be a better ceremonial head of state than Chaz:
Lewis Hamilton David Beckham Bob Mortimer Joanna Lumley Olivia Colman
All of those are less intellectual with less gravitas wisdom and class
Bob Mortimer comfortably exceeds Chaz's capabilities in all those criteria. And he played youth football for Boro.
Olivia Coleman for me. Cambridge entry on merit and somehow is in bloody everything and yet we all think she's great. The Crown was basically an audition.
Reasonable actress sometimes otherwise just a woke leftist
In recent days, Trump has lost his slush fund, his ballroom fund, and his war fund. Has the Establishment found its lost principles or just come to believe the health rumours?
Republicans will need to take some quick steps to get back on track for the mid terms, so congress have had enough of Trump's jive and have decided he has to learn it takes two to tango.
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
When the alternative is an elected president, yes. The alternative could be a Trump, Hindenburg etc....
That might become a very real consideration with Farage as PM. Trump would have had a field day in the UK as PM and Farage follows his playbook. When you reflect on how few constitutional checks there are on our centralised UK state in the absence of a written constitution and decentralised checks and balances, in contrast to the US, King Charles III may turn out to be about the only check hindering the road to a far right autocracy here.
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.
Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.
A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
Slebs who would be a better ceremonial head of state than Chaz:
Lewis Hamilton David Beckham Bob Mortimer Joanna Lumley Olivia Colman
All of those are less intellectual with less gravitas wisdom and class than our King and all would be worse heads of state. Joanna Lumley is the only one who comes close but she is a monarchist anyway
Nothing screams class like getting an underling to squeeze toothpaste for you and being a fantasy tampon.
The King has a wealth of knowledge on a whole range of subjects from architecture to the environment to history and set up the Princes Trust. Unfortunately this site is now increasingly dominated by leftist liberals so that even relatively popular rightwing opinions like keeping the monarchy get shouted down. See the latest Leon ban while when was the last time a leftist on here was banned?
It's not the fault of leftists or centrists (who get routinely and erroneously labelled leftists) that the right has more blowhards and trolls.
That's ironic. We centrists routinely get accused of being rightists, by the leftists.
Keir Starmer has pledged to get Britain building again – starting with one and a half million new homes across the country within five years of a Labour government.
In his speech to Labour Party Conference, the Labour Leader said he would recapture the dream of homeownership with help for first time buyers and new infrastructure to support families and communities.
As part of Labour’s five missions for government, Starmer promised “shovels in the ground and cranes in the sky” to deliver “more beautiful cities [and] more prosperous towns”, demanding: “A future must be built.”
“That is the responsibility of a serious government. And if we continually wash our hands of this task – we all end up stuck in a rut. Just like now,” he said.
“So it’s time to get Britain building again. It’s time to build one and half million new homes across the country.
Shrinking order books and rising economic uncertainty contributed to another steep decline in UK construction activity during May. At the same time, higher energy, fuel and transportation costs led to the fastest pace of input price inflation since June 2022.
At 38.2 in May, down from 39.7 in April, the headline seasonally adjusted S&P Global UK Construction Purchasing Managers’ Index™ (PMI®) – an index tracking changes in total industry activity – posted below the neutral 50.0 threshold for the seventeenth month running. Moreover, the rate of contraction was the steepest since May 2020. Aside from the drop in construction output at the start of the pandemic, the latest fall was the fastest since March 2009.
All three broad categories of construction work posted sharp declines in output levels during May. Residential activity (index at 36.0) was the weakest-performing segment, with survey respondents commenting on unfavourable market conditions and headwinds from elevated borrowing costs.
Commercial construction (39.0) also saw a steeper reduction in output levels in May, reflecting risk aversion among clients in response to geopolitical tensions and rising inflationary pressures. Meanwhile, civil engineering work fell at a slightly less marked rate than in April (36.2).
Total new orders across the construction sector decreased at a sharp and accelerated pace in May. Mirroring the trend for output levels, the downturn in new business intakes was the fastest for six years.
Sainsbury has stopped selling brown eggs because white ones have a lower carbon footprint. They must have been talking to the moron that is Ed Miliband. Well they can fuck right off. I'll shop elsewhere or get some from my neighbour.
As it happens, I think white eggs look better but now I've read that I'm annoyed. I don't like to be preached out or my food choices influenced by others.
Sainsbury's went full Woke a while ago - and they seem to have trained all their checkout staff to go full American now, and strike up conversation with you about your day - so I now avoid it.
It's as low as Asda, and not far off Iceland levels.
Not much evidence of that in East Ham High Street. Too busy trying to help people with the self service checkouts.
That para looks like a conflation of "woke" with "things I do not like".
On the heggs, that feels to me like a tyranny of the averages, where it is a small enough difference to find hens with brown eggs that have a lower carbon footprint.
It's a dilemma for Restore UK - do they now have to prioritise the brown over the white?
My neighbour-with-hens up the road, where my eggs occasionally comes from, has a hen that lays blue tinted eggs.
I wonder what they make of that?
Fun fact - the colour of hens' eggs is genetically linked to the colour of their earlobes.
Waitrose have sold white eggs for years. They are no better and no worse than brown eggs. The predominance of brown eggs is simply because people in the 70s thought they must be better for you, like brown bread.
Being perceived as a premium item, though, is it not slightly more likely that the nutrition and living conditions of the brown egg hens is on average higher than that of the white ?
Breed of hen determines the colour. Smaller hens tend to lay white (And slightly smaller) eggs so it's as much a cost saving by Sainsburys as anything else...
It isn't the breed of hen which determines the colour of the egg, it is down to the strain of the breed. For the twentieth century brown eggs have been preferred in the UK and white eggs in the US and so the hens have been bought and bred accordingly.
As for the carbon footprint, clearly if you stick 12 hens in a cage and give them minimum light they will have a lower carbon foot print that hens allowed to roam freely which need to be managed. The hens which can stand that will be from US strains and so will lay white eggs. What comes around goes around but hens which are allowed to roam freely will be bound to have a higher carbon footprint. Sure cages aren't allowed now thank goodness, but if they were then Ed could reduce the carbon footprint even further. Someone needs to ask him if he craves a return to battery hens ?
Genuine question (as I have no knowledge of this), but how do battery hens have a lower carbon footprint than free range hens. Every element of this seems to imply to a novice like me that the opposite would be true (light, heat, food, waste, etc)
Free range (as in wandering around the farmyard style) relies on waste food lying about. And you still need to provide secure perches for the birds.
So it takes quite a lot of inputs. And because the density is very low, relatively, the proportion of overheads per bird will be high.
Economy of scale and all that.
Bit like hand catching salmon from the river vs farming them.
But aren't you looking at economics rather than the environment. The statement was to do with the environment. The salmon example is a good one as farming them is harmful and catching from a river isn't.
You asked about carbon footprint. Battery farming is very *energy* efficient.
Indeed, it is the ruthless quest for efficiency that is the problem with it.
Thanks. Still struggling with it though (but again based on little knowledge) as although battery farming might be energy efficient, it does use heat and lighting and needs more infrastructure and medicine a lot more than free range birds, which I assume need little.
If it is true, I assume it is the huge difference in output from battery hens that makes the carbon footprint per bird greater for a free range bird, because the gut feeling is it should be less.
It’s very similar to the arguments at the start of the Industrial Revolution - surely it must be cheaper to have weavers working in their own homes on their own equipment, rather than an expensive factory?
The Telegraph egg piece is an eggscellent tabloid story. The Telegraph know exactly how to egg on their readers by feeding them the wrong end of the shtick. Great fun !
According to the piece, this is a move back to the 1970s (is that not what all these people want?), when it all went brown because of a false belief that brown eggs were "healthier" (see wholemeal bread) and false claims about white eggs being "bleached". That is, it is all media narrative anyway.
And that Sainsbury's are also doing it for cost (white egg hens are more efficient per amount of food given to the hen) and higher welfare (less hen pecking amongst those breeds) reasons.
There are not a few people in the comments getting quite eggsasperated, and confirming that they will spend more money on their inefficiently produced brown eggs, as long as they know it is damaging the environment more.
I have advised them all to buy blue heggs. Green is also available. Turquoise - I'm not sure.
Apparently a Chinese company making blades for wind turbines in the north of Scotland is a security risk while building Chninese cars in Sunderland is not. Anyone care to break this down for a simple lad like me (no need to bring mega embassies in the heart of the capital into it).
Well in Sunderland all the workers will be employed by Nissan who will be building the cars for Chery. It’s also keeping the factory open which given the mess Nissan is in (outside the UK) is great news.
Who is employing the workers in Scotland?
Nissan cars are poorly designed shit with a lot of cheap Chinese trim.
Hopefully in Sunderland these will not just be CKD kits built by a screwdriver facility but there will be local content too. Proper local content as well rather than just CKD kits assembled at local facilities.
The Telegraph egg piece is an eggscellent tabloid story. The Telegraph know exactly how to egg on their readers by feeding them the wrong end of the shtick. Great fun !
According to the piece, this is a move back to the 1970s (is that not what all these people want?), when it all went brown because of a false belief that brown eggs were "healthier" (see wholemeal bread) and false claims about white eggs being "bleached". That is, it is all media narrative anyway.
And that Sainsbury's are also doing it for cost (white egg hens are more efficient per amount of food given to the hen) and higher welfare (less hen pecking amongst those breeds) reasons.
There are not a few people in the comments getting quite eggsasperated, and confirming that they will spend more money on their inefficiently produced brown eggs, as long as they know it is damaging the environment more.
I have advised them all to buy blue heggs. Green is also available. Turquoise - I'm not sure.
The Telegraph egg piece is an eggscellent tabloid story. The Telegraph know exactly how to egg on their readers by feeding them the wrong end of the shtick. Great fun !
According to the piece, this is a move back to the 1970s (is that not what all these people want?), when it all went brown because of a false belief that brown eggs were "healthier" (see wholemeal bread) and false claims about white eggs being "bleached". That is, it is all media narrative anyway.
And that Sainsbury's are also doing it for cost (white egg hens are more efficient per amount of food given to the hen) and higher welfare (less hen pecking amongst those breeds) reasons.
There are not a few people in the comments getting quite eggsasperated, and confirming that they will spend more money on their inefficiently produced brown eggs, as long as they know it is damaging the environment more.
I have advised them all to buy blue heggs. Green is also available. Turquoise - I'm not sure.
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.
Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.
A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
Slebs who would be a better ceremonial head of state than Chaz:
Lewis Hamilton David Beckham Bob Mortimer Joanna Lumley Olivia Colman
All of those are less intellectual with less gravitas wisdom and class than our King and all would be worse heads of state. Joanna Lumley is the only one who comes close but she is a monarchist anyway
Nothing screams class like getting an underling to squeeze toothpaste for you and being a fantasy tampon.
The King has a wealth of knowledge on a whole range of subjects from architecture to the environment to history and set up the Princes Trust. Unfortunately this site is now increasingly dominated by leftist liberals so that even relatively popular rightwing opinions like keeping the monarchy get shouted down. See the latest Leon ban while when was the last time a leftist on here was banned?
He didn't get banned for being right wing though did he?. He got banned for being abusive.
I have no issue with keeping the monarchy. I am happy to keep it. I do have an issue with printing nonsense about it though. It doesn't do supporting the monarchy any favours and is likely to alienate people who have no objection to it so you do more harm than good for your cause.
Also worth pointing out that most are just having fun with you because you rise to the bait.
I too have no great objection to the monarchy, but wouldn't fight to save it, either. The behind the curtain stuff is symbolic, and matters to some, but presenting it as God having an active role in the process will seem absurd to most people, I suspect.
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
When the alternative is an elected president, yes. The alternative could be a Trump, Hindenburg etc....
That might become a very real consideration with Farage as PM. Trump would have had a field day in the UK as PM and Farage follows his playbook. When you reflect on how few constitutional checks there are on our centralised UK state in the absence of a written constitution and decentralised checks and balances, in contrast to the US, King Charles III may turn out to be about the only check hindering the road to a far right autocracy here.
Farage with an overall majority and a party he (plus rich backers) virtually owns is a genuinely scary proposition.
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.
Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.
A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
Slebs who would be a better ceremonial head of state than Chaz:
Lewis Hamilton David Beckham Bob Mortimer Joanna Lumley Olivia Colman
All of those are less intellectual with less gravitas wisdom and class than our King and all would be worse heads of state. Joanna Lumley is the only one who comes close but she is a monarchist anyway
Nothing screams class like getting an underling to squeeze toothpaste for you and being a fantasy tampon.
The King has a wealth of knowledge on a whole range of subjects from architecture to the environment to history and set up the Princes Trust. Unfortunately this site is now increasingly dominated by leftist liberals so that even relatively popular rightwing opinions like keeping the monarchy get shouted down. See the latest Leon ban while when was the last time a leftist on here was banned?
Some empirical evidence for (some) righties being shouty offensive rsoles I'd posit.
The Telegraph egg piece is an eggscellent tabloid story. The Telegraph know exactly how to egg on their readers by feeding them the wrong end of the shtick. Great fun !
According to the piece, this is a move back to the 1970s (is that not what all these people want?), when it all went brown because of a false belief that brown eggs were "healthier" (see wholemeal bread) and false claims about white eggs being "bleached". That is, it is all media narrative anyway.
And that Sainsbury's are also doing it for cost (white egg hens are more efficient per amount of food given to the hen) and higher welfare (less hen pecking amongst those breeds) reasons.
There are not a few people in the comments getting quite eggsasperated, and confirming that they will spend more money on their inefficiently produced brown eggs, as long as they know it is damaging the environment more.
I have advised them all to buy blue heggs. Green is also available. Turquoise - I'm not sure.
Sainsbury are only planning this for their own brand eggs.
So another none issue to get all in a rage about
Most people generally hate being manipulated.
Yet they continue to make it easy for the big social media firms to get them persistently angry.
People need to wise up and we really need to teach kids in very clear terms how social media works and that our emotions are the ingredients that make the companies money.
Sainsbury has stopped selling brown eggs because white ones have a lower carbon footprint. They must have been talking to the moron that is Ed Miliband. Well they can fuck right off. I'll shop elsewhere or get some from my neighbour.
As it happens, I think white eggs look better but now I've read that I'm annoyed. I don't like to be preached out or my food choices influenced by others.
Sainsbury's went full Woke a while ago - and they seem to have trained all their checkout staff to go full American now, and strike up conversation with you about your day - so I now avoid it.
It's as low as Asda, and not far off Iceland levels.
Not much evidence of that in East Ham High Street. Too busy trying to help people with the self service checkouts.
That para looks like a conflation of "woke" with "things I do not like".
On the heggs, that feels to me like a tyranny of the averages, where it is a small enough difference to find hens with brown eggs that have a lower carbon footprint.
It's a dilemma for Restore UK - do they now have to prioritise the brown over the white?
My neighbour-with-hens up the road, where my eggs occasionally comes from, has a hen that lays blue tinted eggs.
I wonder what they make of that?
Fun fact - the colour of hens' eggs is genetically linked to the colour of their earlobes.
Waitrose have sold white eggs for years. They are no better and no worse than brown eggs. The predominance of brown eggs is simply because people in the 70s thought they must be better for you, like brown bread.
Being perceived as a premium item, though, is it not slightly more likely that the nutrition and living conditions of the brown egg hens is on average higher than that of the white ?
Breed of hen determines the colour. Smaller hens tend to lay white (And slightly smaller) eggs so it's as much a cost saving by Sainsburys as anything else...
It isn't the breed of hen which determines the colour of the egg, it is down to the strain of the breed. For the twentieth century brown eggs have been preferred in the UK and white eggs in the US and so the hens have been bought and bred accordingly.
As for the carbon footprint, clearly if you stick 12 hens in a cage and give them minimum light they will have a lower carbon foot print that hens allowed to roam freely which need to be managed. The hens which can stand that will be from US strains and so will lay white eggs. What comes around goes around but hens which are allowed to roam freely will be bound to have a higher carbon footprint. Sure cages aren't allowed now thank goodness, but if they were then Ed could reduce the carbon footprint even further. Someone needs to ask him if he craves a return to battery hens ?
Genuine question (as I have no knowledge of this), but how do battery hens have a lower carbon footprint than free range hens. Every element of this seems to imply to a novice like me that the opposite would be true (light, heat, food, waste, etc)
Free range (as in wandering around the farmyard style) relies on waste food lying about. And you still need to provide secure perches for the birds.
So it takes quite a lot of inputs. And because the density is very low, relatively, the proportion of overheads per bird will be high.
Economy of scale and all that.
Bit like hand catching salmon from the river vs farming them.
But aren't you looking at economics rather than the environment. The statement was to do with the environment. The salmon example is a good one as farming them is harmful and catching from a river isn't.
The statement covered multiple aspects, as did the article when read in full. Sainsbury emphasised climate, Telegraph wanted culture war so put Net Zero in the headline and social media snippet.
I think "battery" is peripheral, since consumer demand makes 80% of the market free range, just as consumer demand determined the change from white to brown in the 1970s.
"Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"
Employment rates (2022 figures): White 77% Black 69%
Stop and search (2023 figures) per 100,000: White British 5.6 Black 24.5
Court judges (2024 figures) v working age population (2021 figures): White 89.6% v 80.7% Black 1.3% v 4.4%
Median earnings (2022): White £14.35 per hour Black £13.53 per hour
Employment - controlled for education? Stop and search - controlled for location, criminal tendency (ie gang membership) etc? Judges - controlled for age? Earnings - controlled for education?
Those are all raw figures. Court judges is compared with the working age population.
The ADR UK report linked to above does more in terms of trying to control for other factors.
Raw figures are pretty meaningless.
It’s a particular bugbear of mine that people look at the percentage of, say, court judges in their 60s who are black and say “it’s too low, we’re racist”.
No. It just means that 35 years ago we had fewer black lawyers qualifying, and hence have a smaller pool of candidates for judges today. It will work itself out over time
Raw figures are a good starting point. But, yes, these are complex phenomena where it can be difficult to know what factors are at play…
… which is what I’ve been saying in reaction to the headless chickens running around claiming we have two tier policing and anti-white racism based on one event that we still don’t know the full details of.
A totally fiat point. Here's another one. The incident was in December last year, essentially 6 months ago. So why hasn't the investigation into the policed conduct been completed? It didn't need to wait for the court case to finish, the outcome would not affect what happened on the night. If I had any power I'd be getting that report finished asap.
But then the next problem will be if the report doesn't match the narrative for the far right, they will claim it's a whitewash. A better question might be how have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative?
The IOPC investigation clearly cannot be published until the court case is finished. Certain facts in the report will depend on the court case's conclusion, so it can't be finished before the court case concludes (e.g., it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too). Hopefully, we will see the report soon.
(I note that the IOPC's budget was cut by the Tories, more than a third in real terms since 2018, so that's going to make it harder for them to carry out thorough investigations in a timely manner.)
It is clear that some on the right are not interested in reading anything that might contradict that on which they have already made up their mind. This was apparent on the previous thread.
How have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative? Because the radical right in the US has been pushing a white grievance model, and the radical right in the UK have taken that up.
As I'm a bit thick, why would this be true? " it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too". The actions of the officers on the night do not go back and change via quantum entanglement if Digwa is found guilty or innocent surely? I totally understand why the report could not be released before the conclusion of the trial for obvious reasons. But as an investigation of the actions of the police officers, why does Digwa's guilt or innocence matter?
Can you not see a difference between "the police wrongly took the word of the murderer" and "the police wrongly took the word of someone who had been attacked by Nowak" (which was Digwa's defence AIUI)?
No. There was a man lying on the ground with 4 stab wounds which would prove to be fatal. Who the F*** cares who or what he was? He needed urgent medical help. He did not need handcuffs.
It's worth reading the judge's sentencing statement where he explains the police were seriously misled by the murderer and his brother and in his view acted reasonably. Murderers don't usually call the police to the crime scene, they had no reason to believe it was anything other than the two men claimed it to be. There was no visible wound when they put handcuffs on Nowak and the policeman was horrified when he found out Nowak had a serious injury a moment later.
The police are being maligned, not least by politicians who should know better. The case is not remotely similar to George Floyd where the murderer was actually the policeman, nor to Stephen Lawrence where the police simply didn't bother to investigate properly because the victim was black.
There will be, and should be, an investigation into the police operation and no doubt there will be some changes to procedure. It's not obvious from the sentencing remarks what generalised changes would have made a substantial difference to what happened to Henry Nowak, sadly.
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.
Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
I thought the king was anointed by the archbishop behind a curtain when he put on that funny robe.
The Archbishop is God's representative on earth in the Church of England
That's a very Papist way of looking at it.
I currently worship at a evangelical CofE church, from very much a low church tradition. Our leadership would hesitate to say they think our current ABC is an actual Christian*, never mind God’s representative on earth.
*I'm fairly sure they don't think she is likely to be a Christian in anything other than a cultural sense. They only hesitate when asked out of an attempt to be diplomatic.
The Telegraph egg piece is an eggscellent tabloid story. The Telegraph know exactly how to egg on their readers by feeding them the wrong end of the shtick. Great fun !
According to the piece, this is a move back to the 1970s (is that not what all these people want?), when it all went brown because of a false belief that brown eggs were "healthier" (see wholemeal bread) and false claims about white eggs being "bleached". That is, it is all media narrative anyway.
And that Sainsbury's are also doing it for cost (white egg hens are more efficient per amount of food given to the hen) and higher welfare (less hen pecking amongst those breeds) reasons.
There are not a few people in the comments getting quite eggsasperated, and confirming that they will spend more money on their inefficiently produced brown eggs, as long as they know it is damaging the environment more.
I have advised them all to buy blue heggs. Green is also available. Turquoise - I'm not sure.
Sainsbury are only planning this for their own brand eggs.
So another none issue to get all in a rage about
Most people generally hate being manipulated.
Yet they continue to make it easy for the big social media firms to get them persistently angry.
People need to wise up and we really need to teach kids in very clear terms how social media works and that our emotions are the ingredients that make the companies money.
How the media works, not just social media.
The old media would have caused lots of anger too.
"Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"
Employment rates (2022 figures): White 77% Black 69%
Stop and search (2023 figures) per 100,000: White British 5.6 Black 24.5
Court judges (2024 figures) v working age population (2021 figures): White 89.6% v 80.7% Black 1.3% v 4.4%
Median earnings (2022): White £14.35 per hour Black £13.53 per hour
Employment - controlled for education? Stop and search - controlled for location, criminal tendency (ie gang membership) etc? Judges - controlled for age? Earnings - controlled for education?
Those are all raw figures. Court judges is compared with the working age population.
The ADR UK report linked to above does more in terms of trying to control for other factors.
Raw figures are pretty meaningless.
It’s a particular bugbear of mine that people look at the percentage of, say, court judges in their 60s who are black and say “it’s too low, we’re racist”.
No. It just means that 35 years ago we had fewer black lawyers qualifying, and hence have a smaller pool of candidates for judges today. It will work itself out over time
Raw figures are a good starting point. But, yes, these are complex phenomena where it can be difficult to know what factors are at play…
… which is what I’ve been saying in reaction to the headless chickens running around claiming we have two tier policing and anti-white racism based on one event that we still don’t know the full details of.
A totally fiat point. Here's another one. The incident was in December last year, essentially 6 months ago. So why hasn't the investigation into the policed conduct been completed? It didn't need to wait for the court case to finish, the outcome would not affect what happened on the night. If I had any power I'd be getting that report finished asap.
But then the next problem will be if the report doesn't match the narrative for the far right, they will claim it's a whitewash. A better question might be how have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative?
The IOPC investigation clearly cannot be published until the court case is finished. Certain facts in the report will depend on the court case's conclusion, so it can't be finished before the court case concludes (e.g., it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too). Hopefully, we will see the report soon.
(I note that the IOPC's budget was cut by the Tories, more than a third in real terms since 2018, so that's going to make it harder for them to carry out thorough investigations in a timely manner.)
It is clear that some on the right are not interested in reading anything that might contradict that on which they have already made up their mind. This was apparent on the previous thread.
How have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative? Because the radical right in the US has been pushing a white grievance model, and the radical right in the UK have taken that up.
As I'm a bit thick, why would this be true? " it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too". The actions of the officers on the night do not go back and change via quantum entanglement if Digwa is found guilty or innocent surely? I totally understand why the report could not be released before the conclusion of the trial for obvious reasons. But as an investigation of the actions of the police officers, why does Digwa's guilt or innocence matter?
Can you not see a difference between "the police wrongly took the word of the murderer" and "the police wrongly took the word of someone who had been attacked by Nowak" (which was Digwa's defence AIUI)?
No, because the actions that night in regard to Nowak shouldn't have depended on whether he was a horrible racist or not. I'd contend that the police ought to have employed the same level of scepticism about Diwga's claim as they applied to Nowak's - "I've been stabbed", "I don't think you have, mate". It makes NO difference to how they should approach and handle the scene.
I've not said their actions should depend on whether he was a racist. I am not defending the police officer. I am saying you want to understand the full facts of the situation before concluding a report, and some of the facts of the situation were to be determined by the court case against Digwa.
The police officer's initial reaction was very wrong, but don't we want to understand why it was so wrong? Was it, as some have rushed to conclude, because of anti-racism training? Was it a specific issue with that police officer, around competence or prejudice or impetuousness? Was it because of what the police had been told before arriving? Was it something they saw, or didn't see, at the scene? What they found at the scene will depend on what had actually happened beforehand.
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.
Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.
A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
Slebs who would be a better ceremonial head of state than Chaz:
Lewis Hamilton David Beckham Bob Mortimer Joanna Lumley Olivia Colman
All of those are less intellectual with less gravitas wisdom and class than our King and all would be worse heads of state. Joanna Lumley is the only one who comes close but she is a monarchist anyway
Nothing screams class like getting an underling to squeeze toothpaste for you and being a fantasy tampon.
The King has a wealth of knowledge on a whole range of subjects from architecture to the environment to history and set up the Princes Trust. Unfortunately this site is now increasingly dominated by leftist liberals so that even relatively popular rightwing opinions like keeping the monarchy get shouted down. See the latest Leon ban while when was the last time a leftist on here was banned?
Some empirical evidence for (some) righties being shouty offensive rsoles I'd posit.
Have we got ANY left-liberals (in the traditional meaning, with authoritarian edges) on here, at all?
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.
Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.
A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
Slebs who would be a better ceremonial head of state than Chaz:
Lewis Hamilton David Beckham Bob Mortimer Joanna Lumley Olivia Colman
All of those are less intellectual with less gravitas wisdom and class than our King and all would be worse heads of state. Joanna Lumley is the only one who comes close but she is a monarchist anyway
Nothing screams class like getting an underling to squeeze toothpaste for you and being a fantasy tampon.
The King has a wealth of knowledge on a whole range of subjects from architecture to the environment to history and set up the Princes Trust. Unfortunately this site is now increasingly dominated by leftist liberals so that even relatively popular rightwing opinions like keeping the monarchy get shouted down. See the latest Leon ban while when was the last time a leftist on here was banned?
He didn't get banned for being right wing though did he?. He got banned for being abusive.
I have no issue with keeping the monarchy. I am happy to keep it. I do have an issue with printing nonsense about it though. It doesn't do supporting the monarchy any favours and is likely to alienate people who have no objection to it so you do more harm than good for your cause.
Also worth pointing out that most are just having fun with you because you rise to the bait.
He wasn't being that different from some others. In a nation where over a quarter vote Reform now he is also one of the few Reform voters on here
Interesting juxtaposition on O'Brexit regarding Farage's call to escalate unrest after the tragic Nowak case and his call to de-escalate the anger after the equally tragic Everard case.
The inclement weather hasn't really helped Farage's call to arms. What is the weather forecast for the weekend?
Apparently a Chinese company making blades for wind turbines in the north of Scotland is a security risk while building Chninese cars in Sunderland is not. Anyone care to break this down for a simple lad like me (no need to bring mega embassies in the heart of the capital into it).
Well in Sunderland all the workers will be employed by Nissan who will be building the cars for Chery. It’s also keeping the factory open which given the mess Nissan is in (outside the UK) is great news.
Who is employing the workers in Scotland?
Nissan cars are poorly designed shit with a lot of cheap Chinese trim.
Hopefully in Sunderland these will not just be CKD kits built by a screwdriver facility but there will be local content too. Proper local content as well rather than just CKD kits assembled at local facilities.
The Telegraph egg piece is an eggscellent tabloid story. The Telegraph know exactly how to egg on their readers by feeding them the wrong end of the shtick. Great fun !
According to the piece, this is a move back to the 1970s (is that not what all these people want?), when it all went brown because of a false belief that brown eggs were "healthier" (see wholemeal bread) and false claims about white eggs being "bleached". That is, it is all media narrative anyway.
And that Sainsbury's are also doing it for cost (white egg hens are more efficient per amount of food given to the hen) and higher welfare (less hen pecking amongst those breeds) reasons.
There are not a few people in the comments getting quite eggsasperated, and confirming that they will spend more money on their inefficiently produced brown eggs, as long as they know it is damaging the environment more.
I have advised them all to buy blue heggs. Green is also available. Turquoise - I'm not sure.
Sainsbury are only planning this for their own brand eggs.
It’s a load of bullshit from Sainsbury’s. Typical corporate crap.
Having said that I don’t care what colour my eggs are. Just how much they cost.
Sainsbury are perfectly clear in their statement. It will either fall through to slightly lower prices, or will help Sainsbury margins. And in the short term may help the Sainsbury supplying farmers who are early adopters in the change, but will subsequently be bent-over and screwed again.
80% of Sainsbury egg sales is the proportion quoted as own-brand. I'm surprised it is that low.
Lord Mann is a complete clown. He's made a career of wanting to be Jewish and he is seen as a slavering buffoon.Only Starmer could be taken in.
So you think it’s appropriate for public (or private) sector workers to be able to make statements about their personal political beliefs without considering the impact it might have on customers?
I’m imagining @Wogers reaction to a report that said NHS staff would be AOK to wear a pro-Israel button.
Imagine the potential fun in Northern Ireland, with nurses/doctors wearing a red hand badge (for example)
Once again - please channel your inner Richard Jolly.
And here’s a fun one. Would anyone be ok with this on a badge on a medico?
Sainsbury has stopped selling brown eggs because white ones have a lower carbon footprint. They must have been talking to the moron that is Ed Miliband. Well they can fuck right off. I'll shop elsewhere or get some from my neighbour.
As it happens, I think white eggs look better but now I've read that I'm annoyed. I don't like to be preached out or my food choices influenced by others.
Sainsbury's went full Woke a while ago - and they seem to have trained all their checkout staff to go full American now, and strike up conversation with you about your day - so I now avoid it.
It's as low as Asda, and not far off Iceland levels.
Not much evidence of that in East Ham High Street. Too busy trying to help people with the self service checkouts.
That para looks like a conflation of "woke" with "things I do not like".
On the heggs, that feels to me like a tyranny of the averages, where it is a small enough difference to find hens with brown eggs that have a lower carbon footprint.
It's a dilemma for Restore UK - do they now have to prioritise the brown over the white?
My neighbour-with-hens up the road, where my eggs occasionally comes from, has a hen that lays blue tinted eggs.
I wonder what they make of that?
Fun fact - the colour of hens' eggs is genetically linked to the colour of their earlobes.
Waitrose have sold white eggs for years. They are no better and no worse than brown eggs. The predominance of brown eggs is simply because people in the 70s thought they must be better for you, like brown bread.
Being perceived as a premium item, though, is it not slightly more likely that the nutrition and living conditions of the brown egg hens is on average higher than that of the white ?
Breed of hen determines the colour. Smaller hens tend to lay white (And slightly smaller) eggs so it's as much a cost saving by Sainsburys as anything else...
It isn't the breed of hen which determines the colour of the egg, it is down to the strain of the breed. For the twentieth century brown eggs have been preferred in the UK and white eggs in the US and so the hens have been bought and bred accordingly.
As for the carbon footprint, clearly if you stick 12 hens in a cage and give them minimum light they will have a lower carbon foot print that hens allowed to roam freely which need to be managed. The hens which can stand that will be from US strains and so will lay white eggs. What comes around goes around but hens which are allowed to roam freely will be bound to have a higher carbon footprint. Sure cages aren't allowed now thank goodness, but if they were then Ed could reduce the carbon footprint even further. Someone needs to ask him if he craves a return to battery hens ?
Genuine question (as I have no knowledge of this), but how do battery hens have a lower carbon footprint than free range hens. Every element of this seems to imply to a novice like me that the opposite would be true (light, heat, food, waste, etc)
Free range (as in wandering around the farmyard style) relies on waste food lying about. And you still need to provide secure perches for the birds.
So it takes quite a lot of inputs. And because the density is very low, relatively, the proportion of overheads per bird will be high.
Economy of scale and all that.
Bit like hand catching salmon from the river vs farming them.
But aren't you looking at economics rather than the environment. The statement was to do with the environment. The salmon example is a good one as farming them is harmful and catching from a river isn't.
You asked about carbon footprint. Battery farming is very *energy* efficient.
Indeed, it is the ruthless quest for efficiency that is the problem with it.
Thanks. Still struggling with it though (but again based on little knowledge) as although battery farming might be energy efficient, it does use heat and lighting and needs more infrastructure and medicine a lot more than free range birds, which I assume need little.
If it is true, I assume it is the huge difference in output from battery hens that makes the carbon footprint per bird greater for a free range bird, because the gut feeling is it should be less.
It’s very similar to the arguments at the start of the Industrial Revolution - surely it must be cheaper to have weavers working in their own homes on their own equipment, rather than an expensive factory?
Oh no please don't get me wrong. I jolly well know it is cheaper and more efficient to factory farm (and weave) by a long shot. I was just questioning the environmental impact argument.
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.
Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.
A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
Slebs who would be a better ceremonial head of state than Chaz:
Lewis Hamilton David Beckham Bob Mortimer Joanna Lumley Olivia Colman
All of those are less intellectual with less gravitas wisdom and class than our King and all would be worse heads of state. Joanna Lumley is the only one who comes close but she is a monarchist anyway
Nothing screams class like getting an underling to squeeze toothpaste for you and being a fantasy tampon.
The King has a wealth of knowledge on a whole range of subjects from architecture to the environment to history and set up the Princes Trust. Unfortunately this site is now increasingly dominated by leftist liberals so that even relatively popular rightwing opinions like keeping the monarchy get shouted down. See the latest Leon ban while when was the last time a leftist on here was banned?
Some empirical evidence for (some) righties being shouty offensive rsoles I'd posit.
Have we got ANY left-liberals (in the traditional meaning, with authoritarian edges) on here, at all?
How are you defining left-liberals? (I get repeatedly called a leftist despite never having voted for Labour or further left parties at local, London-wide, national or European elections. I have given my second vote to Labour in some mayoral contests. I call myself a centrist, but would probably describe myself as on the left of the LibDems.)
"Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"
Employment rates (2022 figures): White 77% Black 69%
Stop and search (2023 figures) per 100,000: White British 5.6 Black 24.5
Court judges (2024 figures) v working age population (2021 figures): White 89.6% v 80.7% Black 1.3% v 4.4%
Median earnings (2022): White £14.35 per hour Black £13.53 per hour
Employment - controlled for education? Stop and search - controlled for location, criminal tendency (ie gang membership) etc? Judges - controlled for age? Earnings - controlled for education?
Those are all raw figures. Court judges is compared with the working age population.
The ADR UK report linked to above does more in terms of trying to control for other factors.
Raw figures are pretty meaningless.
It’s a particular bugbear of mine that people look at the percentage of, say, court judges in their 60s who are black and say “it’s too low, we’re racist”.
No. It just means that 35 years ago we had fewer black lawyers qualifying, and hence have a smaller pool of candidates for judges today. It will work itself out over time
Raw figures are a good starting point. But, yes, these are complex phenomena where it can be difficult to know what factors are at play…
… which is what I’ve been saying in reaction to the headless chickens running around claiming we have two tier policing and anti-white racism based on one event that we still don’t know the full details of.
A totally fiat point. Here's another one. The incident was in December last year, essentially 6 months ago. So why hasn't the investigation into the policed conduct been completed? It didn't need to wait for the court case to finish, the outcome would not affect what happened on the night. If I had any power I'd be getting that report finished asap.
But then the next problem will be if the report doesn't match the narrative for the far right, they will claim it's a whitewash. A better question might be how have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative?
The IOPC investigation clearly cannot be published until the court case is finished. Certain facts in the report will depend on the court case's conclusion, so it can't be finished before the court case concludes (e.g., it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too). Hopefully, we will see the report soon.
(I note that the IOPC's budget was cut by the Tories, more than a third in real terms since 2018, so that's going to make it harder for them to carry out thorough investigations in a timely manner.)
It is clear that some on the right are not interested in reading anything that might contradict that on which they have already made up their mind. This was apparent on the previous thread.
How have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative? Because the radical right in the US has been pushing a white grievance model, and the radical right in the UK have taken that up.
As I'm a bit thick, why would this be true? " it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too". The actions of the officers on the night do not go back and change via quantum entanglement if Digwa is found guilty or innocent surely? I totally understand why the report could not be released before the conclusion of the trial for obvious reasons. But as an investigation of the actions of the police officers, why does Digwa's guilt or innocence matter?
Can you not see a difference between "the police wrongly took the word of the murderer" and "the police wrongly took the word of someone who had been attacked by Nowak" (which was Digwa's defence AIUI)?
No. There was a man lying on the ground with 4 stab wounds which would prove to be fatal. Who the F*** cares who or what he was? He needed urgent medical help. He did not need handcuffs.
It's worth reading the judge's sentencing statement where he explains the police were seriously misled by the murderer and his brother and in his view acted reasonably. Murderers don't usually call the police to the crime scene, they had no reason to believe it was anything other than the two men claimed it to be. There was no visible wound when they put handcuffs on Nowak and the policeman was horrified when he found out Nowak had a serious injury a moment later.
The police are being maligned, not least by politicians who should know better. The case is not remotely similar to George Floyd where the murderer was actually the policeman, nor to Stephen Lawrence where the police simply didn't bother to investigate properly because the victim was black.
There will be, and should be, an investigation into the police operation and no doubt there will be some changes to procedure. It's not obvious from the sentencing remarks what generalised changes would have made a substantial difference to what happened to Henry Nowak, sadly.
Lord Mann is a complete clown. He's made a career of wanting to be Jewish and he is seen as a slavering buffoon.Only Starmer could be taken in.
So you think it’s appropriate for public (or private) sector workers to be able to make statements about their personal political beliefs without considering the impact it might have on customers?
I’m imagining @Wogers reaction to a report that said NHS staff would be AOK to wear a pro-Israel button.
Imagine the potential fun in Northern Ireland, with nurses/doctors wearing a red hand badge (for example)
Once again - please channel your inner Richard Jolly.
And here’s a fun one. Would anyone be ok with this on a badge on a medico?
For some in El Salvador, ARENA are the party that saved the court from violent far left revolution. Plus are nice social democrats now.
For others, they were the party of “we don’t like death squads. Oh no. But if you leave us the details of the leftists you don’t like, they are very likely to have an accident. Funny that”
I've lost all respect for Wes Streeting now with his comments about being a monarchist.
Well done Streeting for showing respect to our wonderful King, how TSE could call himself a Tory while failing to do so is beyond me!
Being a monarch is an accident of birth so nothing special. No special genes. No supranatural gifts. Just random sperm.
Do we really need them?
The King was anointed by God to be our monarch and trained from birth for the role actually.
Given the alternative is President Farage or Blair of course we still need them
Anointed by God is a figment of imagination, actually.
A non executive president in the UK would probably end up being someone like Floella Benjamin, rather than a Blair or Farage.
Slebs who would be a better ceremonial head of state than Chaz:
Lewis Hamilton David Beckham Bob Mortimer Joanna Lumley Olivia Colman
All of those are less intellectual with less gravitas wisdom and class than our King and all would be worse heads of state. Joanna Lumley is the only one who comes close but she is a monarchist anyway
Nothing screams class like getting an underling to squeeze toothpaste for you and being a fantasy tampon.
The King has a wealth of knowledge on a whole range of subjects from architecture to the environment to history and set up the Princes Trust. Unfortunately this site is now increasingly dominated by leftist liberals so that even relatively popular rightwing opinions like keeping the monarchy get shouted down. See the latest Leon ban while when was the last time a leftist on here was banned?
He didn't get banned for being right wing though did he?. He got banned for being abusive.
I have no issue with keeping the monarchy. I am happy to keep it. I do have an issue with printing nonsense about it though. It doesn't do supporting the monarchy any favours and is likely to alienate people who have no objection to it so you do more harm than good for your cause.
Also worth pointing out that most are just having fun with you because you rise to the bait.
He wasn't being that different from some others. In a nation where over a quarter vote Reform now he is also one of the few Reform voters on here
We will have to disagree as to whether he was being very different to others. To me he is clearly the most abusive by a long way, although I wouldn't ban him for it.
But that wasn't the point being made.
Yes I agree we do not have a plethora of Reform voters, but that is hardly surprising. Not wishing to sound snobbish, but this really isn't the sort of forum you would expect many is it?
Apparently a Chinese company making blades for wind turbines in the north of Scotland is a security risk while building Chninese cars in Sunderland is not. Anyone care to break this down for a simple lad like me (no need to bring mega embassies in the heart of the capital into it).
Well in Sunderland all the workers will be employed by Nissan who will be building the cars for Chery. It’s also keeping the factory open which given the mess Nissan is in (outside the UK) is great news.
Who is employing the workers in Scotland?
Nissan cars are poorly designed shit with a lot of cheap Chinese trim.
Hopefully in Sunderland these will not just be CKD kits built by a screwdriver facility but there will be local content too. Proper local content as well rather than just CKD kits assembled at local facilities.
It’s not just Nissan that need the work.
"Local content...for Local cars!"
On a more serious note - even a screwdriver operation can *start* the process of building up local supply chains.
That’s how manufacturing moved to places like China in the first place.
Interesting juxtaposition on O'Brexit regarding Farage's call to escalate unrest after the tragic Nowak case and his call to de-escalate the anger after the equally tragic Everard case.
The inclement weather hasn't really helped Farage's call to arms. What is the weather forecast for the weekend?
I wonder whether Farage would be so comfortable with his call for an under reaction to the rape and murder of Sarah Everard if the perpetrator had been of colour rather than a white policeman.
A fair properly conducted contest between Burnham and Streeting would be fine if Starmer stayed on through summer and in to end September.
What I would hope for the Country and Labour would be a proper job and role for the loser of the contest and a realistic understanding from 90% of the Party, ignoring the usual 20 to 30 hard left nutters that unity is strength.
An amalgum of soft left Burnham and centre Streeting with two very experienced street wise politicians and excellent communicators could give Labour power for a decade and given Streeting age, a succession plan.
If only the membership is able to see this vision.
I agree with your prognosis. What matters is that the party can draw together after a contest, putting to an end a decade of highly factional party leadership under first Corbyn and then Starmer/McSweeney.
Streeting is a talented communicator and needs to be kept in a prominent role. He has also emerged from the Mandelson revelations with his reputation enhanced, in contrast to for example McFadden whose Machiavellian tendencies have only been confirmed and who deserves to see the door.
"Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"
Employment rates (2022 figures): White 77% Black 69%
Stop and search (2023 figures) per 100,000: White British 5.6 Black 24.5
Court judges (2024 figures) v working age population (2021 figures): White 89.6% v 80.7% Black 1.3% v 4.4%
Median earnings (2022): White £14.35 per hour Black £13.53 per hour
Employment - controlled for education? Stop and search - controlled for location, criminal tendency (ie gang membership) etc? Judges - controlled for age? Earnings - controlled for education?
Those are all raw figures. Court judges is compared with the working age population.
The ADR UK report linked to above does more in terms of trying to control for other factors.
Raw figures are pretty meaningless.
It’s a particular bugbear of mine that people look at the percentage of, say, court judges in their 60s who are black and say “it’s too low, we’re racist”.
No. It just means that 35 years ago we had fewer black lawyers qualifying, and hence have a smaller pool of candidates for judges today. It will work itself out over time
Raw figures are a good starting point. But, yes, these are complex phenomena where it can be difficult to know what factors are at play…
… which is what I’ve been saying in reaction to the headless chickens running around claiming we have two tier policing and anti-white racism based on one event that we still don’t know the full details of.
A totally fiat point. Here's another one. The incident was in December last year, essentially 6 months ago. So why hasn't the investigation into the policed conduct been completed? It didn't need to wait for the court case to finish, the outcome would not affect what happened on the night. If I had any power I'd be getting that report finished asap.
But then the next problem will be if the report doesn't match the narrative for the far right, they will claim it's a whitewash. A better question might be how have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative?
The IOPC investigation clearly cannot be published until the court case is finished. Certain facts in the report will depend on the court case's conclusion, so it can't be finished before the court case concludes (e.g., it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too). Hopefully, we will see the report soon.
(I note that the IOPC's budget was cut by the Tories, more than a third in real terms since 2018, so that's going to make it harder for them to carry out thorough investigations in a timely manner.)
It is clear that some on the right are not interested in reading anything that might contradict that on which they have already made up their mind. This was apparent on the previous thread.
How have we reached a situation where people believe this narrative? Because the radical right in the US has been pushing a white grievance model, and the radical right in the UK have taken that up.
As I'm a bit thick, why would this be true? " it is pertinent to the IOPC investigation whether Digwa was found guilty or not, many of the judge's comments are relevant too". The actions of the officers on the night do not go back and change via quantum entanglement if Digwa is found guilty or innocent surely? I totally understand why the report could not be released before the conclusion of the trial for obvious reasons. But as an investigation of the actions of the police officers, why does Digwa's guilt or innocence matter?
Can you not see a difference between "the police wrongly took the word of the murderer" and "the police wrongly took the word of someone who had been attacked by Nowak" (which was Digwa's defence AIUI)?
No, because the actions that night in regard to Nowak shouldn't have depended on whether he was a horrible racist or not. I'd contend that the police ought to have employed the same level of scepticism about Diwga's claim as they applied to Nowak's - "I've been stabbed", "I don't think you have, mate". It makes NO difference to how they should approach and handle the scene.
I've not said their actions should depend on whether he was a racist. I am not defending the police officer. I am saying you want to understand the full facts of the situation before concluding a report, and some of the facts of the situation were to be determined by the court case against Digwa.
The police officer's initial reaction was very wrong, but don't we want to understand why it was so wrong? Was it, as some have rushed to conclude, because of anti-racism training? Was it a specific issue with that police officer, around competence or prejudice or impetuousness? Was it because of what the police had been told before arriving? Was it something they saw, or didn't see, at the scene? What they found at the scene will depend on what had actually happened beforehand.
I agree totally with this paragraph apart from the bit in bold "The police officer's initial reaction was very wrong, but don't we want to understand why it was so wrong? Was it, as some have rushed to conclude, because of anti-racism training? Was it a specific issue with that police officer, around competence or prejudice or impetuousness? Was it because of what the police had been told before arriving? Was it something they saw, or didn't see, at the scene? What they found at the scene will depend on what had actually happened beforehand"
What difference does what had happened in law make to what they found when they arrived? When they get there they are confronted with the scene that we have now also seen from the BWV. They are in no position to know who is lying and who isn't. Their actions should be determined by what to do at the scene with an injured person lying on the ground.
Lord Mann is a complete clown. He's made a career of wanting to be Jewish and he is seen as a slavering buffoon.Only Starmer could be taken in.
So you think it’s appropriate for public (or private) sector workers to be able to make statements about their personal political beliefs without considering the impact it might have on customers?
When I was involved in the management of a pharmacy within an NHS hospital we had, at one time, both a devout, and proselytising, Muslim and a similar Christian working in the department. They had to be, and were, both told that while their beliefs were respected the rest of the staff, and especially the patients, did NOT want to hear about them.
I was playing in a club bridge tournament last night and an opponent asked me if I thought there would be a Labour leadership change and if I welcomed it. I replied briefly (probably/probably) and politely asked him his views. He said he thought they were all terrible. It was all perfectly amiable but felt out of place. But on balance it was OK in a way that being in hospital wouldn't be.
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There's also the wild card of a full stealth second generation KF21, in collaboration with S Korea, which would be a LOT cheaper.
catchicken into the national debate to stop us talking about Southampton?Tragedies like us force us to confront some unpleasant observations and perhaps truths about the kind of society we live in and the divergence from the society in which we would like to live. The world isn't perfect - that doesn't mean we should ever stop trying to make it perfect - but it isn't. MIstakes are made - often, as I said last evening, by people overworked, under pressure and lacking support and experience.
In this country, we police by consent, not through the power of the State. The nature of that consent, which was once predicated on deference, has changed or evolved and is more about transparency and accountability. As society has fragmented and diverged, so naturally have the expectations of what we expect and want from the Police and that will vary from community to community though all have to live within the law of the land.
If we do not have a Police force which is representative of communities and general society, a gap opens which is progressively more difficult to close. That's a real challenge for those who see it in one dimensional terms.
As for the carbon footprint, clearly if you stick 12 hens in a cage and give them minimum light they will have a lower carbon foot print that hens allowed to roam freely which need to be managed. The hens which can stand that will be from US strains and so will lay white eggs. What comes around goes around but hens which are allowed to roam freely will be bound to have a higher carbon footprint. Sure cages aren't allowed now thank goodness, but if they were then Ed could reduce the carbon footprint even further. Someone needs to ask him if he craves a return to battery hens ?
It’s amusing to send the link to various people and get their reactions. Since you can’t tell anything about the chap on the group - not even colour.
And how did this God Anointing happen? Was Edward anointed by God and then God changed his mind. How about Lady Jane Grey or Richard III / Henry VII or goodness knows how many in the past where the crown flips or a monarch is killed and usurped by another. God seems a little fickle in his anointing.
Oops just noted you said coronation which nullifies at least one of my examples, but you get the point.
The cited reasons given by our colonial excuse-makers is on the one hand unsuitability of the turbines for UK offshore grids while on the other access to and integration with critical energy infrastructure. I sense a lack of joined up thinking.
Even Henry VII or Richard III were anointed by God at their coronations. Though we are long passed the days we decided our monarchs in battle, in those days the monarch was also head of government. Now the PM is head of government, the monarch is just ceremonial head of state
Of course, free range = less space for cows and the horrendous levels of methane they produce . Need to look at the opportunity cost and chicken is always going to be most efficient way to get your protein.
*Not the day job, just a hobby that pays me a bit of money.
than our King and all would be
worse heads of state. Joanna
Lumley is the only one who comes
close but she is a monarchist
anyway. As I said most head of state of republics are politicians or ex politicians not celebrities so President Farage or Blair is the norm
Seoul Mayor Oh defies exit poll to win reelection
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/southkorea/politics/20260604/seoul-mayor-oh-defies-exit-poll-to-win-reelection
This will be his fifth term.
Loved this:
..“I will humbly uphold the choice of the citizens of Seoul,” Chong said. “I was not good enough. Everything is my responsibility.”.
The DPK dominated the provincial elections.
DPK reclaims Busan after 8 years, ending conservative rule
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/southkorea/politics/20260604/dpk-reclaims-busan-after-8-years-ending-conservative-rule
Mortimer, Lumley and Colman would be fun as head of state.
So it takes quite a lot of inputs. And because the density is very low, relatively, the proportion of overheads per bird will be high.
Economy of scale and all that.
Bit like hand catching salmon from the river vs farming them.
Though she might object to being typecast.
According to the piece, this is a move back to the 1970s (is that not what all these people want?), when it all went brown because of a false belief that brown eggs were "healthier" (see wholemeal bread) and false claims about white eggs being "bleached". That is, it is all media narrative anyway.
And that Sainsbury's are also doing it for cost (white egg hens are more efficient per amount of food given to the hen) and higher welfare (less hen pecking amongst those breeds) reasons.
There are not a few people in the comments getting quite eggsasperated, and confirming that they will spend more money on their inefficiently produced brown eggs, as long as they know it is damaging the environment more.
I have advised them all to buy blue heggs. Green is also available. Turquoise - I'm not sure.
Gift link for full article:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/f9abb94984408b71
Imagine the potential fun in Northern Ireland, with nurses/doctors wearing a red hand badge (for example)
Once again - please channel your inner Richard Jolly.
And here’s a fun one. Would anyone be ok with this on a badge on a medico?
Indeed, it is the ruthless quest for efficiency that is the problem with it.
I have no issue with keeping the monarchy. I am happy to keep it. I do have an issue with printing nonsense about it though. It doesn't do supporting the monarchy any favours and is likely to alienate people who have no objection to it so you do more harm than good for your cause.
Also worth pointing out that most are just having fun with you because you rise to the bait.
2.26 ODDS boosted to 2.46
Here we go again with the Maritime Nation stuff.
We have a 200 mile EEZ which in the case of teh UK is constrained by the Continent, Ireland and Scandanavia and once the water is too deep, after about 100 miles, only has fish of value and they cost more to protect than they are worth.
Britain does of course have a collection of odd largely worthless colonial outposts but that's a historical anomoly not a vital national interest.
Regardless we still seem to believe we have both obligation and need to be able to project power way beyond our shores even though to do anything really useful is way beyond what we can afford or are willing to pay.
At least we haven't yet had it justified by realling off nonsense names from history like Drake, Raleigh and Nelson.
Peter.
https://x.com/LucyGJWhite/status/2062429553893462370
Keir Starmer has pledged to get Britain building again – starting with one and a half million new homes across the country within five years of a Labour government.
In his speech to Labour Party Conference, the Labour Leader said he would recapture the dream of homeownership with help for first time buyers and new infrastructure to support families and communities.
As part of Labour’s five missions for government, Starmer promised “shovels in the ground and cranes in the sky” to deliver “more beautiful cities [and] more prosperous towns”, demanding: “A future must be built.”
“That is the responsibility of a serious government. And if we continually wash our hands of this task – we all end up stuck in a rut. Just like now,” he said.
“So it’s time to get Britain building again. It’s time to build one and half million new homes across the country.
https://labour.org.uk/updates/stories/just-announced-labour-will-build-1-5-million-homes-to-save-the-dream-of-homeownership/
The reality:
Shrinking order books and rising economic uncertainty contributed to another steep decline in UK construction activity during May. At the same time, higher energy, fuel and transportation costs led to the fastest pace of input price inflation since June 2022.
At 38.2 in May, down from 39.7 in April, the headline seasonally adjusted S&P Global UK Construction Purchasing Managers’ Index™ (PMI®) – an index tracking changes in total industry activity – posted below the neutral 50.0 threshold for the seventeenth month running. Moreover, the rate of contraction was the steepest since May 2020. Aside from the drop in construction output at the start of the pandemic, the latest fall was the fastest since March 2009.
All three broad categories of construction work posted sharp declines in output levels during May. Residential activity (index at 36.0) was the weakest-performing segment, with survey respondents commenting on unfavourable market conditions and headwinds from elevated borrowing costs.
Commercial construction (39.0) also saw a steeper reduction in output levels in May, reflecting risk aversion among clients in response to geopolitical tensions and rising inflationary pressures. Meanwhile, civil engineering work fell at a slightly less marked rate than in April (36.2).
Total new orders across the construction sector decreased at a sharp and accelerated pace in May. Mirroring the trend for output levels, the downturn in new business intakes was the fastest for six years.
https://www.pmi.spglobal.com/Public/Home/PressRelease/a4b07e6daf8647a784b973cb2bed123e
Don't worry though, the adults are back in charge.
If it is true, I assume it is the huge difference in output from battery hens that makes the carbon footprint per bird greater for a free range bird, because the gut feeling is it should be less.
otherwise just a woke leftist
That might become a very real consideration with Farage as PM. Trump would have had a field day in the UK as PM and Farage follows his playbook. When you reflect on how few constitutional checks there are on our centralised UK state in the absence of a written constitution and decentralised checks and balances, in contrast to the US, King Charles III may turn out to be about the only check hindering the road to a far right autocracy here.
IMO Labour should have borrow directly to build houses to make sure they could get spades in the ground and meet the promise.
Hopefully in Sunderland these will not just be CKD kits built by a screwdriver facility but there will be local content too. Proper local content as well rather than just CKD kits assembled at local facilities.
It’s not just Nissan that need the work.
Having said that I don’t care what colour my eggs are. Just how much they cost.
The behind the curtain stuff is symbolic, and matters to some, but presenting it as God having an active role in the process will seem absurd to most people, I suspect.
Yet they continue to make it easy for the big social media firms to get them persistently angry.
People need to wise up and we really need to teach kids in very clear terms how social media works and that our emotions are the ingredients that make the companies money.
I think "battery" is peripheral, since consumer demand makes 80% of the market free range, just as consumer demand determined the change from white to brown in the 1970s.
https://corporate.sainsburys.co.uk/sustainability/explore-by-a-z/agriculture-aquaculture-and-horticulture/sourcing-sustainable-eggs/
Happiness is Egg-Shaped (egg marketing board - 1960s), with Tony Hancock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KabwJe0bKxA
The police are being maligned, not least by politicians who should know better. The case is not remotely similar to George Floyd where the murderer was actually the policeman, nor to Stephen Lawrence where the police simply didn't bother to investigate properly because the victim was black.
There will be, and should be, an investigation into the police operation and no doubt there will be some changes to procedure. It's not obvious from the sentencing remarks what generalised changes would have made a substantial difference to what happened to Henry Nowak, sadly.
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Digwa-Final-Sentencing-Remarks.pdf
Latest from Hants Police.
I currently worship at a evangelical CofE church, from very much a low church tradition. Our leadership would hesitate to say they think our current ABC is an actual Christian*, never mind God’s representative on earth.
*I'm fairly sure they don't think she is likely to be a Christian in anything other than a cultural sense. They only hesitate when asked out of an attempt to be diplomatic.
The old media would have caused lots of anger too.
The police officer's initial reaction was very wrong, but don't we want to understand why it was so wrong? Was it, as some have rushed to conclude, because of anti-racism training? Was it a specific issue with that police officer, around competence or prejudice or impetuousness? Was it because of what the police had been told before arriving? Was it something they saw, or didn't see, at the scene? What they found at the scene will depend on what had actually happened beforehand.
The inclement weather hasn't really helped Farage's call to arms. What is the weather forecast for the weekend?
Mr Tumble is in the news recently. There's not many who'd object to him.
80% of Sainsbury egg sales is the proportion quoted as own-brand. I'm surprised it is that low.
Even better would be the idea of Farage choking on his warm beer at the thought.
For some in El Salvador, ARENA are the party that saved the court from violent far left revolution. Plus are nice social democrats now.
For others, they were the party of “we don’t like death squads. Oh no. But if you leave us the details of the leftists you don’t like, they are very likely to have an accident. Funny that”
Think the Shinners and The Peace Process in NI
But that wasn't the point being made.
Yes I agree we do not have a plethora of Reform voters, but that is hardly surprising. Not wishing to sound snobbish, but this really isn't the sort of forum you would expect many is it?
That’s how manufacturing moved to places like China in the first place.
Streeting is a talented communicator and needs to be kept in a prominent role. He has also emerged from the Mandelson revelations with his reputation enhanced, in contrast to for example McFadden whose Machiavellian tendencies have only been confirmed and who deserves to see the door.
"The police officer's initial reaction was very wrong, but don't we want to understand why it was so wrong? Was it, as some have rushed to conclude, because of anti-racism training? Was it a specific issue with that police officer, around competence or prejudice or impetuousness? Was it because of what the police had been told before arriving? Was it something they saw, or didn't see, at the scene? What they found at the scene will depend on what had actually happened beforehand"
What difference does what had happened in law make to what they found when they arrived? When they get there they are confronted with the scene that we have now also seen from the BWV. They are in no position to know who is lying and who isn't. Their actions should be determined by what to do at the scene with an injured person lying on the ground.