I see the DT is blaming Starmer for the attack . Absolutely pathetic .
It is darkly amusing to see that a man with a Jewish wife is being accused of stoking antisemitsm, nearly as 'amusing' that people are saying that Nigel Farage is best placed to deal with antisemitism, given in the past he has been criticised by Jewish organisations for repeating antisemitic tropes.
The DT is quoting an Israeli official who is the one doing the blaming not the newspaper:
"As news of the outrage spread, Gideon Sa’ar, the Israeli foreign affairs minister, issued a scathing statement blaming the British Government for allowing anti-Jewish hatred to take hold and flourish."
To be blunt . Netanyahu has acted as a recruiting sergeant for anti-Semitism . Things don’t happen in a vacuum . It’s a tragic irony that those killed on October 7 were most likely to be pro peace and more sympathetic to a two state solution and Jews around the world are now being targeted in response to the actions of Netanyahu and the IDF . The UK won’t be lectured by anyone in that cesspit cabinet who have overseen a genocide and now seek to deflect by accusing others of exactly what they’ve caused .
Hamas' antisemitism has existed long BEFORE October 7th.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Farage is left-wing compared to Trump, He, Farage, is firmly against capital punishment for instance. He also supports the existence of a national health service.
Looks like Reform gained from everyone but particularly the Conservatives and Labour. Used to be a safe Tory seat and further sign of the Reform surge despite a good local former councillor Tory candidate.
Reform won by 15% over the Conservatives but Labour and the LDs combined got 19%. Had more of them tactically voted Tory it could have been closer.
Conservative candidates in Conservative held seats where Reform are the main challengers need to squeeze Labour and LD votes to beat Reform. Unfortunately Kemi is putting them off at present, Cleverly might not
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Yes, the choice is becoming quite stark
Again - I hate to repeat myself - this is Betz’s thesis. The state dissolves into sectarian sniping and two tier justice (already happening). People are forced to take sides who would really rather not. These sides become evermore polarised until they violently attack each other
So you end up with quite reasonable people taking up arms
I know which side I worth choose if the dread moment comes (inshallah it doesn’t). And it ain’t the Islamists and Corbynists
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Right now millions of us are peacefully putting up with Starmer's government even though we don't like it, so if Farage wins an election fair and square it's only right that the left does the same even if they don't agree with his policies.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
Farage is a traitor. I'll take the abyss
Farage is the abyss.
lol
You live in Trumpland. Is your life falling apart? Get a grip you pitiful bleating no-mark
Better a no-mark than a skid-mark, perhaps. You ranting old roué.
No one cares what you think, what you do, what you say. You’re some pitiful wandering mediocre middle manager in marketing who doesn’t even live in the UK
Why don’t you grow up and join an American politics site? That’s where you live. Because your views on here on the UK are increasingly irrelevant, clueless and awkwardly uninformed. So much so they become embarrassing
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Eventual Islamic takeover? You utter loon.
I've found it mildly interesting that the US crazy social media of "Going to be a civil war" has faded - but now transferred to the UK. Possibly Elon's work.
We could barely be arsed having a civil war back when we had a civil war. Never mind now when there's netflix and deliveroo.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Right now millions of us are peacefully putting up with Starmer's government even though we don't like it, so if Farage wins an election fair and square it's only right that the left does the same even if they don't agree with his policies.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Eventual Islamic takeover? You utter loon.
Why wouldn’t it happen? The Islamic population is growing faster than any other, they are already winning seats in parliament on a sectarian manifesto. The trend is there, they are motivated, only a fool would ignore or dismiss it.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Yes, the choice is becoming quite stark
Again - I hate to repeat myself - this is Betz’s thesis. The state dissolves into sectarian sniping and two tier justice (already happening). People are forced to take sides who would really rather not. These sides become evermore polarised until they violently attack each other
So you end up with quite reasonable people taking up arms
I know which side I worth choose if the dread moment comes (inshallah it doesn’t). And it ain’t the Islamists and Corbynists
But Betz is an Orbanite who thus supports the gradual dismantling of democracy. The choice he presents is between Christian Totalitarianism and Islamic Totalitarianism, much like some of Trump's most hardcore supporters.
The New Statesmen's election expert Ben Walker was campaiging here, which happens to be his local area. Maybe he can fill in the details later on. Do Spectator and New Statesman journalists ever meet up for drinks with each other? That question just popped into my head for some reason.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Farage's opponents may see him as smug little git, but I doubt any of the non-psychotic ones would actually want to murder him. Disappointment will be his biggest problem - in these febrile and impatient times his honeymoon period will probably make Sir Keir's look like Mesozoic Era.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Yes, the choice is becoming quite stark
Again - I hate to repeat myself - this is Betz’s thesis. The state dissolves into sectarian sniping and two tier justice (already happening). People are forced to take sides who would really rather not. These sides become evermore polarised until they violently attack each other
So you end up with quite reasonable people taking up arms
I know which side I worth choose if the dread moment comes (inshallah it doesn’t). And it ain’t the Islamists and Corbynists
And it was all totally unnecessary if they'd defended the borders starting 20 years ago.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Right now millions of us are peacefully putting up with Starmer's government even though we don't like it, so if Farage wins an election fair and square it's only right that the left does the same even if they don't agree with his policies.
Farage is much more divisive than Starmer though, and look how Remainers refused to accept they lost the referendum.
Labour hold Strawberry. A delightful name for a roundabout near Ellesmere Port. Only 32% swing to Reform.
Labour may have been saved by the fact that this is apparently one of the poshest parts of Ellesmere Port, because they tend to do better in middle-class areas these days.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Yes, the choice is becoming quite stark
Again - I hate to repeat myself - this is Betz’s thesis. The state dissolves into sectarian sniping and two tier justice (already happening). People are forced to take sides who would really rather not. These sides become evermore polarised until they violently attack each other
So you end up with quite reasonable people taking up arms
I know which side I worth choose if the dread moment comes (inshallah it doesn’t). And it ain’t the Islamists and Corbynists
The UK is following the USA down a path prepared by the old and new media towards a form of Fascism with 21st century technology. Instead of Jews the enemy is Islam. I have no sympathy with this archaic and false religion but its adherents are their own worst enemy. Religion of peace? It was always delivered by the sword. I know which side I am on.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
Farage is a traitor. I'll take the abyss
Farage is the abyss.
lol
You live in Trumpland. Is your life falling apart? Get a grip you pitiful bleating no-mark
Better a no-mark than a skid-mark, perhaps. You ranting old roué.
No one cares what you think, what you do, what you say. You’re some pitiful wandering mediocre middle manager in marketing who doesn’t even live in the UK
Why don’t you grow up and join an American politics site? That’s where you live. Because your views on here on the UK are increasingly irrelevant, clueless and awkwardly uninformed. So much so they become embarrassing
Perhaps. Though at least I don’t spam the site with fascist drivel and tasteless interior design content, like some kind of Laurence Llewellyn Bormann.
If the U.K., like all northwest European countries, didn't take the side of secular democracy against any form of religious fascism, be it Christian, Islamic, Jewish or Buddhist, at some point in the future, it wouldn't survive as a nation, and it would be a different one from what it is.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Eventual Islamic takeover? You utter loon.
Why wouldn’t it happen? The Islamic population is growing faster than any other, they are already winning seats in parliament on a sectarian manifesto. The trend is there, they are motivated, only a fool would ignore or dismiss it.
Because it's 6% of the population. That's like saying you're scared of the inevitability of left handed females taking over. Not one of the handful of MPs won on a sectarian manifesto. Because they wouldn't have won. They all built a coalition based around the Muslim vote. But tried their damnedest to win over others. Or else they'd have lost. Not a single one said vote for me. We're sectarian.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Right now millions of us are peacefully putting up with Starmer's government even though we don't like it, so if Farage wins an election fair and square it's only right that the left does the same even if they don't agree with his policies.
Farage is much more divisive than Starmer though, and look how Remainers refused to accept they lost the referendum.
Whereas Starmer winning a huge majority has been accepted with equanimity and grace.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Yes, the choice is becoming quite stark
Again - I hate to repeat myself - this is Betz’s thesis. The state dissolves into sectarian sniping and two tier justice (already happening). People are forced to take sides who would really rather not. These sides become evermore polarised until they violently attack each other
So you end up with quite reasonable people taking up arms
I know which side I worth choose if the dread moment comes (inshallah it doesn’t). And it ain’t the Islamists and Corbynists
But Betz is an Orbanite who thus supports the gradual dismantling of democracy. The choice he presents is between Christian Totalitarianism and Islamic Totalitarianism, much like some of Trump's most hardcore supporters.
Ref +45.79% from nowhere Con -14.47% Lab -14.52% LD -9.58% Grn -7.23%
That’s an extraordinary result
If this continues Reform are going to sweep the board next May, destroying all others. And Farage is a cert for number 10
I live just around the corner from Hutton; there aren’t many people round here that I know who aren’t pretty Reformy. I’d say I was way to the left of most of them
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Right now millions of us are peacefully putting up with Starmer's government even though we don't like it, so if Farage wins an election fair and square it's only right that the left does the same even if they don't agree with his policies.
Farage is much more divisive than Starmer though, and look how Remainers refused to accept they lost the referendum.
Whereas Starmer winning a huge majority has been accepted with equanimity and grace.
I don’t see anyone demanding another election or refusing to accept he has a mandate
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Right now millions of us are peacefully putting up with Starmer's government even though we don't like it, so if Farage wins an election fair and square it's only right that the left does the same even if they don't agree with his policies.
Farage is much more divisive than Starmer though, and look how Remainers refused to accept they lost the referendum.
Whereas Starmer winning a huge majority has been accepted with equanimity and grace.
I don’t see anyone demanding another election or refusing to accept he has a mandate
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Right now millions of us are peacefully putting up with Starmer's government even though we don't like it, so if Farage wins an election fair and square it's only right that the left does the same even if they don't agree with his policies.
Farage is much more divisive than Starmer though, and look how Remainers refused to accept they lost the referendum.
Whereas Starmer winning a huge majority has been accepted with equanimity and grace.
I don’t see anyone demanding another election or refusing to accept he has a mandate
Leon calls for him to stand down every day with a “y” in it.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Eventual Islamic takeover? You utter loon.
Why wouldn’t it happen? The Islamic population is growing faster than any other, they are already winning seats in parliament on a sectarian manifesto. The trend is there, they are motivated, only a fool would ignore or dismiss it.
Because it's 6% of the population. That's like saying you're scared of the inevitability of left handed females taking over. Not one of the handful of MPs won on a sectarian manifesto. Because they wouldn't have won. They all built a coalition based around the Muslim vote. But tried their damnedest to win over others. Or else they'd have lost. Not a single one said vote for me. We're sectarian.
Yes, and it was 4%, and it was 2%, and it was 1%
It’s not like saying I’m scared of left handed females taking over, not that I said I was scared of Muslims taking over, because left handed females aren’t increasing as a percentage of the population the way Muslims are, and aren’t concentrated in areas where they can win seats in parliament on the basis of their left handed female-ness
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Right now millions of us are peacefully putting up with Starmer's government even though we don't like it, so if Farage wins an election fair and square it's only right that the left does the same even if they don't agree with his policies.
Farage is much more divisive than Starmer though, and look how Remainers refused to accept they lost the referendum.
Whereas Starmer winning a huge majority has been accepted with equanimity and grace.
I don’t see anyone demanding another election or refusing to accept he has a mandate
Have you ever been Online?
Quite often, but remain had MPs refusing to accept the result, and organising demos to help ensure it was never enacted. I realise this is a futile conversation but that’s just not happening with Starmer as PM
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Right now millions of us are peacefully putting up with Starmer's government even though we don't like it, so if Farage wins an election fair and square it's only right that the left does the same even if they don't agree with his policies.
Farage is much more divisive than Starmer though, and look how Remainers refused to accept they lost the referendum.
Whereas Starmer winning a huge majority has been accepted with equanimity and grace.
I don’t see anyone demanding another election or refusing to accept he has a mandate
Leon calls for him to stand down every day with a “y” in it.
That’s different to refusing to accept he is PM, which is equivalent to what Remainers did when Leave won the referendum
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
Farage is a traitor. I'll take the abyss
How is he a traitor?
He says he admires Putin and he made Nathan Gill leader of Reform in Wales. Nathan Gill last week confirmed he took dirty Russian cash to ask questions on behalf of Russia in the European Parliament. I could go on...
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Right now millions of us are peacefully putting up with Starmer's government even though we don't like it, so if Farage wins an election fair and square it's only right that the left does the same even if they don't agree with his policies.
Farage is much more divisive than Starmer though, and look how Remainers refused to accept they lost the referendum.
Whereas Starmer winning a huge majority has been accepted with equanimity and grace.
I don’t see anyone demanding another election or refusing to accept he has a mandate
Have you ever been Online?
Quite often, but remain had MPs blocking the result, and organised demos to help ensure it was never enacted. I realise this is a futile conversation but that’s just not happening with Starmer as PM
What’s Remain got to do with the Muslim population?
If the U.K., like all northwest European countries, didn't take the side of secular democracy against any form of religious fascism, be it Christian, Islamic, Jewish or Buddhist, at some point in the future, it wouldn't survive as a nation, and it would be a different one from what it is.
There are too many secular people.
We are nations of Christian heritage, secular democracy alone is just a recipe for falling birthrates and weakness in defence of western culture and heritage. Leaving Islam to fill the gap longer term
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Right now millions of us are peacefully putting up with Starmer's government even though we don't like it, so if Farage wins an election fair and square it's only right that the left does the same even if they don't agree with his policies.
Farage is much more divisive than Starmer though, and look how Remainers refused to accept they lost the referendum.
Whereas Starmer winning a huge majority has been accepted with equanimity and grace.
I don’t see anyone demanding another election or refusing to accept he has a mandate
Leon calls for him to stand down every day with a “y” in it.
That’s different to refusing to accept he is PM, which is equivalent to what Remainers did when Leave won the referendum
Remainers did nothing of the sort. Absolute shit-wittery.
Whereas, Boris did attempt to shut down parliament to prevent MPs voting to avoid a hard Brexit, an act later ruled illegal.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
Farage is a traitor. I'll take the abyss
Farage is the abyss.
lol
You live in Trumpland. Is your life falling apart? Get a grip you pitiful bleating no-mark
Better a no-mark than a skid-mark, perhaps. You ranting old roué.
No one cares what you think, what you do, what you say. You’re some pitiful wandering mediocre middle manager in marketing who doesn’t even live in the UK
Why don’t you grow up and join an American politics site? That’s where you live. Because your views on here on the UK are increasingly irrelevant, clueless and awkwardly uninformed. So much so they become embarrassing
Perhaps. Though at least I don’t spam the site with fascist drivel and tasteless interior design content, like some kind of Laurence Llewellyn Bormann.
That’s quite good. That’s definitely the aesthetic I’m aiming for - d’Annunzio with a hint of self conscious jazz. Plus glass. I may steal
The rest of your commentary, I’m afraid, is utterly redundant. You honestly don’t know what you’re talking about any more and it’s gone from oblique to just random and quite cringe
Consider moving on. Find a place for middle manager marketeers to comment on Trump
Farage is left-wing compared to Trump, He, Farage, is firmly against capital punishment for instance. He also supports the existence of a national health service.
Farage is on record as wanting a more insurance based healthcare and he wants to send dangerous criminals to El Salvador
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
Farage is a traitor. I'll take the abyss
How is he a traitor?
His loyalty is to the Anglosphere generally and to the United States specifically. He repeats US talking points like "paracetamol causes autism" or "Antifa" uncritically. I don't think his loyalty is to the UK specifically, and his knowledge of it is limited to cliches like WW2 and the Battle of Britain. He lives online and has forgotten about the land on which he stands, which is convenient because he frequently isn't in the UK.
If the U.K., like all northwest European countries, didn't take the side of secular democracy against any form of religious fascism, be it Christian, Islamic, Jewish or Buddhist, at some point in the future, it wouldn't survive as a nation, and it would be a different one from what it is.
There are too many secular people.
We are nations of Christian heritage, secular democracy alone is just a recipe for falling birthrates and weakness in defence of western culture and heritage. Leaving Islam to fill the gap longer term
I'd prefer to keep our democracy secular. No offence to Christians or Muslims.
Farage is left-wing compared to Trump, He, Farage, is firmly against capital punishment for instance. He also supports the existence of a national health service.
Farage is on record as wanting a more insurance based healthcare and he wants to send dangerous criminals to El Salvador
He’s also come out against “antifa” and promoted anti-vax conspiracy theories at his conference.
He really knows what resonates with the patriotic British voter.
If the U.K., like all northwest European countries, didn't take the side of secular democracy against any form of religious fascism, be it Christian, Islamic, Jewish or Buddhist, at some point in the future, it wouldn't survive as a nation, and it would be a different one from what it is.
There are too many secular people.
We are nations of Christian heritage, secular democracy alone is just a recipe for falling birthrates and weakness in defence of western culture and heritage. Leaving Islam to fill the gap longer term
But there wouldn't be enough committed Christians to secure the country against any other form of religion.
I am in some ways more spiritual thsn secularist, but mass secularism is Britain's defence against both Trumpism and islamism.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
Farage is a traitor. I'll take the abyss
How is he a traitor?
His loyalty is to the Anglosphere generally and to the United States specifically. He repeats US talking points like "paracetamol causes autism" or "Antifa" uncritically. I don't think his loyalty is to the UK specifically, and his knowledge of it is limited to cliches like WW2 and the Battle of Britain. He lives online and has forgotten about the land on which he stands, which is convenient because he frequently isn't in the UK.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
Farage is a traitor. I'll take the abyss
Farage is the abyss.
lol
You live in Trumpland. Is your life falling apart? Get a grip you pitiful bleating no-mark
Better a no-mark than a skid-mark, perhaps. You ranting old roué.
No one cares what you think, what you do, what you say. You’re some pitiful wandering mediocre middle manager in marketing who doesn’t even live in the UK
Why don’t you grow up and join an American politics site? That’s where you live. Because your views on here on the UK are increasingly irrelevant, clueless and awkwardly uninformed. So much so they become embarrassing
I thought you said you had hung up you bile filled boots for the night. Although I suppose technically we are now at "tomorrow" and you might have started early.
Farage is left-wing compared to Trump, He, Farage, is firmly against capital punishment for instance. He also supports the existence of a national health service.
Farage is on record as wanting a more insurance based healthcare and he wants to send dangerous criminals to El Salvador
Don't buy his garbage HY. As a Conservative you should be calling out his divisive racism in favour of promoting the values that have made your one nation Conservative Party into the most effective electoral machine anywhere on the globe in the post industrial revolution period.
If the U.K., like all northwest European countries, didn't take the side of secular democracy against any form of religious fascism, be it Christian, Islamic, Jewish or Buddhist, at some point in the future, it wouldn't survive as a nation, and it would be a different one from what it is.
There are too many secular people.
We are nations of Christian heritage, secular democracy alone is just a recipe for falling birthrates and weakness in defence of western culture and heritage. Leaving Islam to fill the gap longer term
But there wouldn't be enough committed Christians to secure the country against any other form of religion.
I am in some ways more spiritual thsn secularist, but mass secularism is Britain's defence against both Trumpism and islamism.
46% of England and Wales were Christian on the last census, they would certainly be more willing to secure the nation than some secular liberal middle class atheists in our inner cities and university towns.
In the US and Eastern Europe Christian Nationalism is now seen as the main opponent of Islam, same as Orthodox Judaism is the main opponent of Islam in Israel and the West Bank and Gaza and Hindu Nationalism is the main opponent of Islam in India and evangelical Christianity is the main opponent of Islam in North and Mid Africa.
Liberal secularism meanwhile is getting squeezed in the middle
Ref +45.79% from nowhere Con -14.47% Lab -14.52% LD -9.58% Grn -7.23%
That’s an extraordinary result
If this continues Reform are going to sweep the board next May, destroying all others. And Farage is a cert for number 10
Albeit a poll from MiC last weekend had a Burnham led Labour 2% ahead of Reform while Starmer led Labour were 3% behind Reform.
Farage will also face heavy tactical voting against him like Poilievre did in Canada
I believe there was some hint of blowback against Farage after Starmer's speech. Farage's polished rebuttal didn't gain the traction he (and I) thought it would. He came across as a whiny hypocrite. Unfortunately Farage has been bolstered by today's event.
Burnham is definitely Labour's best bet. Unfortunately there's a slight problem - no seat for him in the House of Commons, and Labour wouldn't be able to win a by-election anywhere except for Peckham, and there's no vacancy in Peckham.
Farage is left-wing compared to Trump, He, Farage, is firmly against capital punishment for instance. He also supports the existence of a national health service.
Farage is on record as wanting a more insurance based healthcare and he wants to send dangerous criminals to El Salvador
Farage having been recorded suggesting some degree of insurance based health cover (like most of Europe!) twenty years ago is pretty weak sauce. It's only of those "gotchas" that just leaves you thinking "if that's the worst they can find to say about him, he must actually be pretty harmless". Especially when I'm fairly sure he's gone on the record several times since to deny that Reform would go there. (In truth, we probably should be going there, but it's a bit like the triple lock - everyone knows something needs to be done, but no politican wants to risk the fallout from grasping this particular nettle).
As for sending our dangerous criminals to El Salvador, I can't see the British voting public (especially the Ref leaning British voting public) having much of a problem with that. They'd probably prefer capital punishment, but hey, you take what you can get. It might be a rather harder sell in El Salvador, but Farage isn't trying to get elected there.
Burnham is definitely Labour's best bet. Unfortunately there's a slight problem - no seat for him in the House of Commons, and Labour wouldn't be able to win a by-election anywhere except for Peckham, and there's no vacancy in Peckham.
If Burnham is their best bet, they truly are doomed. He's a certified umpteen time looser, who's plan for government should he miraculously find himself there boils down to "borrow and spend loads more money, and really really hope the bond market doesn't notice". If he tried to do what he's proposing, the bond markets would see him off faster than they saw off Truss; at least her tax cutting bonanza might have generated some growth - Burnham's plans will merely generate debt and inflation.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Right now millions of us are peacefully putting up with Starmer's government even though we don't like it, so if Farage wins an election fair and square it's only right that the left does the same even if they don't agree with his policies.
Farage is much more divisive than Starmer though, and look how Remainers refused to accept they lost the referendum.
Whereas Starmer winning a huge majority has been accepted with equanimity and grace.
I don’t see anyone demanding another election or refusing to accept he has a mandate
Leon calls for him to stand down every day with a “y” in it.
That’s different to refusing to accept he is PM, which is equivalent to what Remainers did when Leave won the referendum
Remainers did nothing of the sort. Absolute shit-wittery.
Whereas, Boris did attempt to shut down parliament to prevent MPs voting to avoid a hard Brexit, an act later ruled illegal.
You have to be kidding me, where were you during the 2017-19 Westminster Parliament?! For two years Westminster was stuck in an obsessive bubble of cross party MPs and parties fighting to push through Brexit or fighting to stop it happening or make it a far softer exit keeping ties to the EU. The UK TV news`media literally had outdoor studios parked on the Westminster lawn while Remain protesters tried to drown them out on a daily basis as there was a constant stream of MPs on all sides being interviewed. Theresa May lost the Conservative's small majority in that 2017 GE and chaos ensued as Parliament was dominanted with votes on various forms of Brexit.
It totally sucked the oxygen out of every other domestic or foreign affairs issue for two years. It was then no surprise that the British electorate got fed up having watched this obsessive chaos for two years and rewarded Boris Johnson with a comfortable majority in the 2019 GE. I voted Remain, and I posted that I was gutted at the result after it was called the night of the EU Referendum on here but I accepted the voters had spoken and I respected that. But I got more and more angry and frustrated at the behaviour of all our politicians from all parties over that chaotic two years. If those politicians who had not accepted the result had been successful in getting another EU referendum, I would have voted to leave to respect the original result.
The SNP have spent the last eleven years refusing to accept the result of the 2014 Indy Referendum and they have been fighting to hold another one in the hope that they will eventually get the result they want which they will hypocritically then assume is utterly binding as a result. So I understood the importance of respecting another referendum result I did not vote for in 2016. While the EU referendum result was closer than the Indy result in 2014, what is the point of holding a referendum and then fighting to undo or change the result within the first few years and what message does it send to the electorate? No wonder Farage and Reform our dining out on the fag end of the last Conservative government and the disaster that has been Kier Starmer's premiership and government. Despite the polls, Reform are not in anyway a credible party of future government right now, they are a protest party who have yet to produce a decent workable policy to fix any of the problems they keep highlighting.
Burnham is definitely Labour's best bet. Unfortunately there's a slight problem - no seat for him in the House of Commons, and Labour wouldn't be able to win a by-election anywhere except for Peckham, and there's no vacancy in Peckham.
I have to disagree, Burnham legged it from Westminster when it got tough for Labour in Opposition and he didn't do anything to try to find a way back when the polls showed that they finally had a chance of getting back into power. Like Sadiq Khan, his opportunity to return to Westminster was always going to be in 2025 and neither of them took the gamble. He might be trying to do a Boris now as Keir Starmer's premiership implodes, but he was not politically astute enough to call it a day as a city Mayor and return to Westminster when it really mattered. His recent interventions look as self servingly cynical as Theresa May's decision to call an unnecessary GE in 2017 on the back of the then polling.
I am sure there are a few very able Labour politicians who would be a more successful PM and Labour leader than the wooden and uncharismatic nonentity with absolutely no leadership skills that is Kier Starmer. But none of them are showing their faces from the backbenches because the lack of talent in the Cabinet is ever more stark when you remember the huge big media hitters that Blair filled his Cabinet with during his Labour governments. He has no leadership qualities and that was clear when he was in Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Labour Cabinet back in 2017-2019. I could not believe it when the Labour party voted for the only grey man in a suit in the last Labour leadership contest. I have said it before, his behookie must be full of splinters from all that spinning in the wind on top of the fence on just about every domestic and foreign issue this country has faced since he became Labour leader and then Prime Minister.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Yes, the choice is becoming quite stark
Again - I hate to repeat myself - this is Betz’s thesis. The state dissolves into sectarian sniping and two tier justice (already happening). People are forced to take sides who would really rather not. These sides become evermore polarised until they violently attack each other
So you end up with quite reasonable people taking up arms
I know which side I worth choose if the dread moment comes (inshallah it doesn’t). And it ain’t the Islamists and Corbynists
The UK is following the USA down a path prepared by the old and new media towards a form of Fascism with 21st century technology. Instead of Jews the enemy is Islam. I have no sympathy with this archaic and false religion but its adherents are their own worst enemy. Religion of peace? It was always delivered by the sword. I know which side I am on.
*One* of the enemies is Islam. Another enemy are trans people; and (particularly in the USA) leftists. Next it will be gays, and anyone who dares to be. or think, a little bit differently.
Why is @Big_G_NorthWales ranting about "QuoGardenwalker">Why is @Big_G_NorthWales ranting about Antifa now? He needs to get off Guido or whatever alt-right nut-shop he’s frequenting.
What an ignorant post and you shoud be ashamed of such a comment
It was made live om Sky in an interview by the Chief Executive of the Campaign of Antisemitism
Why wouldn’t it happen? The Islamic population is growing faster than any other, they are already winning seats in parliament on a sectarian manifesto. The trend is there, they are motivated, only a fool would ignore or dismiss it.
*They* are motivated?
You make it sound as though there is some grand conspiracy of Muslims to take over the UK, that all Muslims are secretly rubbing their hands and saying: "Wait till we get power!!!"
There will be some nutters like that, but you know what? Most Muslims are like us. They want a nice life. They wants their kids to have nice lives. They want to get on with their lives.
Also, demographics often don't work out the way you expect, and neither does religiosity passed down generations.
We cannot let big political decisions be decided by thugs, terrorists and lunatics.
Today's terrorist attack is horrific. We should mourn its victims. And support the Jewish community that was targeted in this case. They should feel safe on our streets.
But that has precisely zero bearing on how we should respond to the barbarism of the current Israeli government. In fact, in a counterintuitive way we'd be letting terrorism dictate how we behave if we were to go easy on Netanyahu as a consequence of such an attack.
Holding this protest shows f-all respect for the people who died today.
Especially given what the protest is about.
Yes, they should be free to hold the protest. And we - I would say the nice, civilised people, should be free to shake our heads, think "Not today, you idiots!" and also think less of their 'cause'.
Getting some classic #pbfreespeech this evening. The weakest set of principles known on the internet.
Protesting against what is going on in Gaza is not glorifying violence - it's the exact opposite. It does not equate to expressing glee at the murders that happened today.
If there are people calling for the death of Jews, or celebrating what happened today, they should be banged up like those who called for the same after Southport.* I'm personally uneasy about any protest happening today given events; we know that some members of the Jewish community find them intimidating. They should have been postponed to tomorrow.
But I would never presume to deny people's right to free assembly, whatever my personal feelings. If we allow a terrorist attack like the one today to lead us to abandon our principles in this way then the Islamist extremists have succeeded in subverting our democracy.
*Note that the police don't often arrest people straight away other than ringleaders - we may find that some individuals are lifted the morning like what happened after the far-right march in London.
You say that but have a Jewish wife and three half Jewish children then tell me that the Gaza flag wavers glorifying Hamas and calling for the eradication of Jews worldwide is just free speech. These thugs are on our streets encouraging acts like the one we saw today, they're out there waving the flags of Hezbollah, Hamas and even ISIS sometimes. They are supporting terrorists and they are celebrating the deaths of innocent people tonight, chanting "from the river to the sea" which is code for "kill all Jews".
We're allowing this kind of extremism against Jews to be normalised in this country with zero consequences, except to the innocent people who get murdered by the terrorists who are inspired to acts of violence by the mob. My wife hasn't been to the temple for almost 6 months, our third child has yet to be taken there either. This is exactly why, there is a huge amount of fear among the British Jewish community and it's time to bring these Gaza thugs to book.
Well, Hezbollah Hamas and ISIS are all terrorist organisations so waving their flags is illegal. Arrests should happen.
Who is calling for the eradication of Jews worldwide?
"From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free" is arguably not a call for genocide. The Jewish occupation of Palestine is unfortunately yet another 19th/20th century colonial conflict that has yet to be worked out.
From the river to the sea is one of those terms I find weird because Israeli people themselves use it.
For example the Israeli ambassador to the United Kingdom.
It’s not the phrase “from the river to the sea”. The chant is “Palestine shall be free from the river to the sea” implicitly denying the right of Israel to exist
But see the second tweet, it also implies the denial of a Palestinian state.
Until relatively recently I would have pointed out that Hamas wants to eliminate every Jew as part of that mission.
There is also a difference between preventing the creation of a new state and eliminating an existing one. May not be fair but that’s life
Police have now nicked 3 - suspect shot is called 'Jihad Al-Shamie'. British citizen - Syrian.
The name feels like a joke
It really does.
Nominative determinism taken too far.
British citizen of Syrian descent could mean a lot of things.
Wasn’t St George a Syrian?
St George was an Asia Minor Greek, by far the most likely, like St Nicholas.
His parents were a Syrian living in Palestine and a Cappadocian I believe. He was born in Lydia (in modern Turkey but then an Asia Minor Greek city) but then we get into the rather futile discussion of birthplace vs parental heritage
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
Farage is a traitor. I'll take the abyss
Farage is the abyss.
lol
You live in Trumpland. Is your life falling apart? Get a grip you pitiful bleating no-mark
Better a no-mark than a skid-mark, perhaps. You ranting old roué.
No one cares what you think, what you do, what you say. You’re some pitiful wandering mediocre middle manager in marketing who doesn’t even live in the UK
Why don’t you grow up and join an American politics site? That’s where you live. Because your views on here on the UK are increasingly irrelevant, clueless and awkwardly uninformed. So much so they become embarrassing
If residence is the issue, are you suggesting that @rcs1000 should give up on pb?
I have been on this forum since 2014 and it is without doubt the outstanding place for political discourse, robust arguments, and hopefully influence to the powers that be
Throughout this time I have tried to contribute honestly and wherever possible provide links
I use a wide range of sources including Sky which is on most of the time, but also the BBC and articles from the telegraph, guardian, independent and some times guido and other media
I have consistently expressed my opposition to Farage and Reform, Trump and the far right, and my worries about the state of our politics
I openly support the conservative party, but am a one nation conservative who actually voted remain though am pleased we have exited the EU
However, overnight and whilst I was not on this forum @Gardenwalker made an ignorant and unsubstantiated accusation against me that has made me question why I contribute when my words can be taken so much out of context. He said:
'Why is @Big_G_NorthWales ranting about Antifa now? He needs to get off Guido or whatever alt-right nut-shop he’s frequenting'
The comments came from Sky last night in a live interview with the Chief Executive of Campaign against antisemitism and he commented as I posted
Ban these protests which are even taking place now
Also BBC cannot call Hamas terrorist
And Antifa in the UK is promoted
21% has entrenched antisemitic views, raising to 40% of young people
Blood of British Jews cries out from the ground
If @Gardenwalker had even bothered to find my post he would have seen the context and I believe he owes me an apology
It also seems that he (and others) have this obssession over my comments (and very many others) at the time of the beer and curry incident which were seeking the truth about Starmer's involvement and for which he was cleared and I accepted the due process was followed
I am thick skinned but @Gardenwalker crossed a line, and I have even considered whether I wish to continue but I am not going to let him win on this and hope he will have the decency to apologise for his unjust comments
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Yes, the choice is becoming quite stark
Again - I hate to repeat myself ...
One of the many ridiculous things you said last night.
Every sane patriotic Brit - and that is surely most of us - has to vote Reform, now. It’s the only choice. It’s that or the abyss
It strikes me that a Reform govt could bring about some kind of civil war… his opponents hate Farage so much, and those to the right of him are clucking for aggro… he must have a good chance of being assassinated if he becomes PM. But the alternative is the continued slow destruction of what we thought of as England, and eventual Islamic takeover.
Yes, the choice is becoming quite stark
Again - I hate to repeat myself ...
One of the many ridiculous things you said last night.
Leon harvested his greatest single day crop of hyperbolic likes yesterday. The adulation must be intoxicating. Expect even more of the same today.
Marvellous that one of my numerous guilty pleasures, Salvage Hunters, is currently highlighting the Khan brothers, a couple of hipster Muslim antiques dealers/restorers. Seem totally English to me, they’ve even got W.G.Grace beards.
I suppose they’ll be banned in the New Farage Order.
One can only hope.
What a depressing post on an equally depressing day.
Marvellous that one of my numerous guilty pleasures, Salvage Hunters, is currently highlighting the Khan brothers, a couple of hipster Muslim antiques dealers/restorers. Seem totally English to me, they’ve even got W.G.Grace beards.
I suppose they’ll be banned in the New Farage Order.
One can only hope.
What a depressing post on an equally depressing day.
You like beards?
Who does not, comrade? Even the great man himself, Lenin, had a beard. The great Soviet experiment started to go wrong when he died, and his successor only managed to put two slugs under his nose...
Farage is left-wing compared to Trump, He, Farage, is firmly against capital punishment for instance. He also supports the existence of a national health service.
Farage is on record as wanting a more insurance based healthcare and he wants to send dangerous criminals to El Salvador
Marvellous that one of my numerous guilty pleasures, Salvage Hunters, is currently highlighting the Khan brothers, a couple of hipster Muslim antiques dealers/restorers. Seem totally English to me, they’ve even got W.G.Grace beards.
I suppose they’ll be banned in the New Farage Order.
One can only hope.
What a depressing post on an equally depressing day.
You like beards?
I have one of Great Britain's finest hipster beards. I do not want to be censured for my facial topiary.
I have been on this forum since 2014 and it is without doubt the outstanding place for political discourse, robust arguments, and hopefully influence to the powers that be
Throughout this time I have tried to contribute honestly and wherever possible provide links
I use a wide range of sources including Sky which is on most of the time, but also the BBC and articles from the telegraph, guardian, independent and some times guido and other media
I have consistently expressed my opposition to Farage and Reform, Trump and the far right, and my worries about the state of our politics
I openly support the conservative party, but am a one nation conservative who actually voted remain though am pleased we have exited the EU
However, overnight and whilst I was not on this forum @Gardenwalker made an ignorant and unsubstantiated accusation against me that has made me question why I contribute when my words can be taken so much out of context. He said:
'Why is @Big_G_NorthWales ranting about Antifa now? He needs to get off Guido or whatever alt-right nut-shop he’s frequenting'
The comments came from Sky last night in a live interview with the Chief Executive of Campaign against antisemitism and he commented as I posted
Ban these protests which are even taking place now
Also BBC cannot call Hamas terrorist
And Antifa in the UK is promoted
21% has entrenched antisemitic views, raising to 40% of young people
Blood of British Jews cries out from the ground
If @Gardenwalker had even bothered to find my post he would have seen the context and I believe he owes me an apology
It also seems that he (and others) have this obssession over my comments (and very many others) at the time of the beer and curry incident which were seeking the truth about Starmer's involvement and for which he was cleared and I accepted the due process was followed
I am thick skinned but @Gardenwalker crossed a line, and I have even considered whether I wish to continue but I am not going to let him win on this and hope he will have the decency to apologise for his unjust comments
I’ve always found him reasonable. Let’s hope this can be resolved amicably. It’s all a little tense around here currently.
There’s a couple of real dickheads here but he, nor you, are one.
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RefUK 290
Con 249
LD 118
Green 88
Lab 44
RefUK hold
Lake North percentages
➡️ RefUK: 36.8% (+0.7)
🌳 CON: 31.6% (+2.8)
🔶 LD: 15.0% (+4.4)
🌍 GReen: 11.2% (-0.9)
🌹 LAB: 5.6% (-0.2)
No Ind (-6.8) as previous.
Reform HOLD.
Changes w/ 2025.
Ref +45.79% from nowhere
Con -14.47%
Lab -14.52%
LD -9.58%
Grn -7.23%
You live in Trumpland. Is your life falling apart? Get a grip you pitiful bleating no-mark
If this continues Reform are going to sweep the board next May, destroying all others. And Farage is a cert for number 10
You ranting old roué.
A delightful name for a roundabout near Ellesmere Port.
Only 32% swing to Reform.
Reform won by 15% over the Conservatives but Labour and the LDs combined got 19%. Had more of them tactically voted Tory it could have been closer.
Conservative candidates in Conservative held seats where Reform are the main challengers need to squeeze Labour and LD votes to beat Reform. Unfortunately Kemi is putting them off at present, Cleverly might not
Britain Elects
@BritainElects
✅ Labour HOLD
Strawberry (Cheshire West and Chester) council by-election result:
LAB: 35.8% (-32.9)
REF: 32.0% (+32.0)
IND: 13.7% (+13.7)
CON: 7.8% (-16.8)
LDEM: 7.2% (+0.5)
GRN: 3.4% (+3.4)
+/- 2023
Estimated turnout: ~41% (+7)
Are you for real?
Again - I hate to repeat myself - this is Betz’s thesis. The state dissolves into sectarian sniping and two tier justice (already happening). People are forced to take sides who would really rather not. These sides become evermore polarised until they violently attack each other
So you end up with quite reasonable people taking up arms
I know which side I worth choose if the dread moment comes (inshallah it doesn’t). And it ain’t the Islamists and Corbynists
You utter loon.
Why don’t you grow up and join an American politics site? That’s where you live. Because your views on here on the UK are increasingly irrelevant, clueless and awkwardly uninformed. So much so they become embarrassing
We could barely be arsed having a civil war back when we had a civil war. Never mind now when there's netflix and deliveroo.
Both are now to be avoided.
If they've lost the Scousers and the Wools they're toast.
No idea if its motivating national factors or local here, tbh.
These pro Palestinians are not protesting they are celebrating
“Pro-Palestinian protesters clash with police near Downing Street after synagogue attack
We don’t care about the Jewish community, says campaigner hours after two worshippers killed in Manchester”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/02/police-allow-pro-palestine-protest-terror-attack-trains/
There are too many secular people.
That's like saying you're scared of the inevitability of left handed females taking over.
Not one of the handful of MPs won on a sectarian manifesto. Because they wouldn't have won. They all built a coalition based around the Muslim vote. But tried their damnedest to win over others. Or else they'd have lost.
Not a single one said vote for me. We're sectarian.
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@ElectionMapsUK
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Wigan Central (Wigan) Council By-Election Result:
➡️ RFM: 47.2% (New)
🌹 LAB: 32.9% (-15.3)
🙋 Ind: 6.7% (New)
🌳 CON: 5.1% (-9.4)
🌍 GRN: 4.4% (-2.1)
🔶 LDM: 3.7% (+0.2)
No Ind (-20.6) as previous.
Reform GAIN from Labour.
Changes w/ 2024.
It’s not like saying I’m scared of left handed females taking over, not that I said I was scared of Muslims taking over, because left handed females aren’t increasing as a percentage of the population the way Muslims are, and aren’t concentrated in areas where they can win seats in parliament on the basis of their left handed female-ness
Absolute shit-wittery.
Whereas, Boris did attempt to shut down parliament to prevent MPs voting to avoid a hard Brexit, an act later ruled illegal.
The rest of your commentary, I’m afraid, is utterly redundant. You honestly don’t know what you’re talking about any more and it’s gone from oblique to just random and quite cringe
Consider moving on. Find a place for middle manager marketeers to comment on Trump
Farage will also face heavy tactical voting against him like Poilievre did in Canada
He really knows what resonates with the patriotic British voter.
I am in some ways more spiritual thsn secularist, but mass secularism is Britain's defence against both Trumpism and islamism.
For a long time was the only Tory ward in the Borough. Surprised it didn't go by more tbh.
In the US and Eastern Europe Christian Nationalism is now seen as the main opponent of Islam, same as Orthodox Judaism is the main opponent of Islam in Israel and the West Bank and Gaza and Hindu Nationalism is the main opponent of Islam in India and evangelical Christianity is the main opponent of Islam in North and Mid Africa.
Liberal secularism meanwhile is getting squeezed in the middle
➡️ REF, 1228
➡️ REF, 1226
➡️ REF, 1153
🟢 Grn, 459
🟢 Grn, 452
🟢 Grn, 430
🔵 Con, 342
🔵 Con, 285
🔶 LDM, 236
🔵 Con, 234
🔶 LDM, 156
🔶 LDM, 123
🏘️ Her, 97
💁♂️ Ind, 74
💁♂️ Ind, 69
Ref 49.02% [+37.37]
Grn 18.32% [new]
Con 13.65% [-2.96]
LD 9.42% [new]
Her 3.87% [new]
Ind (with 74 votes) 2.95% [new]
Ind (with 69 votes) 2.75% [new]
no Ind slate [previously 57.85%]
no Lab [previously 13.90%]
As for sending our dangerous criminals to El Salvador, I can't see the British voting public (especially the Ref leaning British voting public) having much of a problem with that. They'd probably prefer capital punishment, but hey, you take what you can get. It might be a rather harder sell in El Salvador, but Farage isn't trying to get elected there.
If he tried to do what he's proposing, the bond markets would see him off faster than they saw off Truss; at least her tax cutting bonanza might have generated some growth - Burnham's plans will merely generate debt and inflation.
It totally sucked the oxygen out of every other domestic or foreign affairs issue for two years. It was then no surprise that the British electorate got fed up having watched this obsessive chaos for two years and rewarded Boris Johnson with a comfortable majority in the 2019 GE. I voted Remain, and I posted that I was gutted at the result after it was called the night of the EU Referendum on here but I accepted the voters had spoken and I respected that. But I got more and more angry and frustrated at the behaviour of all our politicians from all parties over that chaotic two years. If those politicians who had not accepted the result had been successful in getting another EU referendum, I would have voted to leave to respect the original result.
The SNP have spent the last eleven years refusing to accept the result of the 2014 Indy Referendum and they have been fighting to hold another one in the hope that they will eventually get the result they want which they will hypocritically then assume is utterly binding as a result. So I understood the importance of respecting another referendum result I did not vote for in 2016. While the EU referendum result was closer than the Indy result in 2014, what is the point of holding a referendum and then fighting to undo or change the result within the first few years and what message does it send to the electorate? No wonder Farage and Reform our dining out on the fag end of the last Conservative government and the disaster that has been Kier Starmer's premiership and government. Despite the polls, Reform are not in anyway a credible party of future government right now, they are a protest party who have yet to produce a decent workable policy to fix any of the problems they keep highlighting.
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These russians really do need to stop dropping cigarettes near expensive equipment.
I am sure there are a few very able Labour politicians who would be a more successful PM and Labour leader than the wooden and uncharismatic nonentity with absolutely no leadership skills that is Kier Starmer. But none of them are showing their faces from the backbenches because the lack of talent in the Cabinet is ever more stark when you remember the huge big media hitters that Blair filled his Cabinet with during his Labour governments. He has no leadership qualities and that was clear when he was in Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Labour Cabinet back in 2017-2019. I could not believe it when the Labour party voted for the only grey man in a suit in the last Labour leadership contest. I have said it before, his behookie must be full of splinters from all that spinning in the wind on top of the fence on just about every domestic and foreign issue this country has faced since he became Labour leader and then Prime Minister.
It was made live om Sky in an interview by the Chief Executive of the Campaign of Antisemitism
You should apologise for your unjust comment
You make it sound as though there is some grand conspiracy of Muslims to take over the UK, that all Muslims are secretly rubbing their hands and saying: "Wait till we get power!!!"
There will be some nutters like that, but you know what? Most Muslims are like us. They want a nice life. They wants their kids to have nice lives. They want to get on with their lives.
Also, demographics often don't work out the way you expect, and neither does religiosity passed down generations.
Especially given what the protest is about.
Yes, they should be free to hold the protest. And we - I would say the nice, civilised people, should be free to shake our heads, think "Not today, you idiots!" and also think less of their 'cause'.
There is also a difference between preventing the creation of a new state and eliminating an existing one. May not be fair but that’s life
I have been on this forum since 2014 and it is without doubt the outstanding place for political discourse, robust arguments, and hopefully influence to the powers that be
Throughout this time I have tried to contribute honestly and wherever possible provide links
I use a wide range of sources including Sky which is on most of the time, but also the BBC and articles from the telegraph, guardian, independent and some times guido and other media
I have consistently expressed my opposition to Farage and Reform, Trump and the far right, and my worries about the state of our politics
I openly support the conservative party, but am a one nation conservative who actually voted remain though am pleased we have exited the EU
However, overnight and whilst I was not on this forum @Gardenwalker made an ignorant and unsubstantiated accusation against me that has made me question why I contribute when my words can be taken so much out of context. He said:
'Why is @Big_G_NorthWales ranting about Antifa now? He needs to get off Guido or whatever alt-right nut-shop he’s frequenting'
The comments came from Sky last night in a live interview with the Chief Executive of Campaign against antisemitism and he commented as I posted
Ban these protests which are even taking place now
Also BBC cannot call Hamas terrorist
And Antifa in the UK is promoted
21% has entrenched antisemitic views, raising to 40% of young people
Blood of British Jews cries out from the ground
If @Gardenwalker had even bothered to find my post he would have seen the context and I believe he owes me an apology
It also seems that he (and others) have this obssession over my comments (and very many others) at the time of the beer and curry incident which were seeking the truth about Starmer's involvement and for which he was cleared and I accepted the due process was followed
I am thick skinned but @Gardenwalker crossed a line, and I have even considered whether I wish to continue but I am not going to let him win on this and hope he will have the decency to apologise for his unjust comments
There’s a couple of real dickheads here but he, nor you, are one.