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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,730
    edited October 2
    IanB2 said:

    Everyone’s becoming addicted to victimhood. Rachel Reeves who’s barely capable of influencing her hairdresser is apparently responsible for inciting a torrent of hatred towards Michelle and Doug.

    Which idiot ennobled this idiot?

    https://x.com/michellemone/status/1973115284803158026?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    She still calls herself Lady Michelle Mone?

    I do feel a little bit sorry for Michie and Dougie. They will uniquely carry the can for Boris Johnson's dodgy friends and family fast track grift.
    Well, her company is going to declare itself bankrupt and unable to repay even a smidgin of the £120,000,000 billion demand they’ve just been handed by the courts. Meanwhile the stolen money sits in Michelle’s (hubby’s) trust fund and what are the chances we taxpayers will ever get any of that back?
    Will any politicians carry the can for their connivance in these schemes?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,776
    rcs1000 said:

    Selebian said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
    It's desperately inappropriate, but I can't get the rubber dinghy rapids line from Four Lions out of my head, reading this.

    ETA: Four Lions got to the stupidity of this. I feel mainly for the victims, of course. But the perpetrator, what a stupidly futile thing to do. It does bugger all for any cause.
    Same, the fact that Four Lions was set in Sheffield didn't help.

    Funny thing is, I knew a real life Barry, from London.

    He regularly used to chastise me for not being a good Muslim, the zeal of a convert is never good.

    Edit Chris Morris explained Barry was based on a real life guy who was in the BNP who regularly used to attack Muslims, then he decided to learn the Quran so he could mock the Muslims he was assaulting but ended up converting himself.
    I could see that happening to @Leon

    What's worse is that I can imagine him posting these incredible passages from the Quran that only he had discovered.
    Your endless second hand posting about me is almost as weird as @IanB2’s
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,333
    IanB2 said:

    The need to buy bread in Italy at least every other day is surely a good thing, annoying though it can be when Monday’s rolls are like cardboard come Wednesday.

    At the other extreme, the loaf of bread I once bought in Indianapolis and drove round the Midwest for ten days in a hot car, without a spot of mould ever appearing on it, was just scary.

    I'm sure there's a chicken-and-egg situation with US gas station sandwiches. If they were more popular, they wouldn't need to have 30 day shelf life and could be fresh like ours, but because of the shelf life they taste so bad they'll never be popular.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,532
    edited October 2

    Dan Hodges is on one on twitter.

    I don't know how we all managed before Dan Hodges on twitter. We were blind but didn't know it.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,586
    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    SandraMc said:

    Condolences to all affected by the dreadful Manchester incident.

    A Sky reporter has just referred to the terrorist attack on the Manchester mosque. FFS.

    Hardwired to spread misinformation.
    Prediction: someone in the Sundays will write an opinion piece loosely suggesting it was a false flag.
    I don't think they'll do that, what I think we will see is the narrative of how "unhelpful" this attack is and "Jews killed in terror attack by a Muslim, Muslims most affected". There will be precisely zero written about the hateful things they've been writing about Jewish people under the guise of "anti-zionist" and how they've been pushing harder and harder to get mental people like this to take up arms against Jewish people.

    I also think there's going to be a lot of thinly veiled "they deserved it" and "they brought it on themselves" articles written, though hopefully not by any major publication.
    I fear more than one politician will say something "This was a terrible attack, and our thoughts go out to those affected and the Jewish Community. But..." followed by a well-if-it-wasnt-for-Gaza.

    Perhaps not in one tweet, though.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,220
    Four police cars with sirens blazing have gone past in the last ten minutes. This isn't usual. Are things kicking off elsewhere in GM - i.e. the city centre?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,727
    .
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Should we lay her down ?

    She's on your side.
    Um.... sail on, silver girl ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,727

    Everyone’s becoming addicted to victimhood. Rachel Reeves who’s barely capable of influencing her hairdresser is apparently responsible for inciting a torrent of hatred towards Michelle and Doug.

    Which idiot ennobled this idiot?

    https://x.com/michellemone/status/1973115284803158026?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    She still calls herself Lady Michelle Mone?

    I do feel a little bit sorry for Michie and Dougie. They will uniquely carry the can for Boris Johnson's dodgy friends and family fast track grift.
    I don't, much.
    Apart from anything else, they lied through their teeth about having no connection to the company... until they were forced to admit that they did.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,532
    Nigelb said:

    .

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Should we lay her down ?

    She's on your side.
    Um.... sail on, silver girl ?
    Sailing well behind by all accounts.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,044
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Selebian said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
    It's desperately inappropriate, but I can't get the rubber dinghy rapids line from Four Lions out of my head, reading this.

    ETA: Four Lions got to the stupidity of this. I feel mainly for the victims, of course. But the perpetrator, what a stupidly futile thing to do. It does bugger all for any cause.
    Same, the fact that Four Lions was set in Sheffield didn't help.

    Funny thing is, I knew a real life Barry, from London.

    He regularly used to chastise me for not being a good Muslim, the zeal of a convert is never good.

    Edit Chris Morris explained Barry was based on a real life guy who was in the BNP who regularly used to attack Muslims, then he decided to learn the Quran so he could mock the Muslims he was assaulting but ended up converting himself.
    I could see that happening to @Leon

    What's worse is that I can imagine him posting these incredible passages from the Quran that only he had discovered.
    Your endless second hand posting about me is almost as weird as @IanB2’s
    Leondoofus once again unable to look himself in the mirror.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,684
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Selebian said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
    It's desperately inappropriate, but I can't get the rubber dinghy rapids line from Four Lions out of my head, reading this.

    ETA: Four Lions got to the stupidity of this. I feel mainly for the victims, of course. But the perpetrator, what a stupidly futile thing to do. It does bugger all for any cause.
    Same, the fact that Four Lions was set in Sheffield didn't help.

    Funny thing is, I knew a real life Barry, from London.

    He regularly used to chastise me for not being a good Muslim, the zeal of a convert is never good.

    Edit Chris Morris explained Barry was based on a real life guy who was in the BNP who regularly used to attack Muslims, then he decided to learn the Quran so he could mock the Muslims he was assaulting but ended up converting himself.
    I could see that happening to @Leon

    What's worse is that I can imagine him posting these incredible passages from the Quran that only he had discovered.
    Your endless second hand posting about me is almost as weird as @IanB2’s
    https://youtu.be/oIFLtNYI3Ls?si=AAT_YiBFr35k-ufv
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,776
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Selebian said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
    It's desperately inappropriate, but I can't get the rubber dinghy rapids line from Four Lions out of my head, reading this.

    ETA: Four Lions got to the stupidity of this. I feel mainly for the victims, of course. But the perpetrator, what a stupidly futile thing to do. It does bugger all for any cause.
    Same, the fact that Four Lions was set in Sheffield didn't help.

    Funny thing is, I knew a real life Barry, from London.

    He regularly used to chastise me for not being a good Muslim, the zeal of a convert is never good.

    Edit Chris Morris explained Barry was based on a real life guy who was in the BNP who regularly used to attack Muslims, then he decided to learn the Quran so he could mock the Muslims he was assaulting but ended up converting himself.
    I could see that happening to @Leon

    What's worse is that I can imagine him posting these incredible passages from the Quran that only he had discovered.
    Your endless second hand posting about me is almost as weird as @IanB2’s
    Leondoofus once again unable to look himself in the mirror.
    You're so touchingly keen to get your new word launched, you keep putting it in bold
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,727
    The north of England has a better case for economic investment than the pampered south.

    A few weeks back, I wrote a post on why Greater Manchester is the fastest growing part of England.
    Today, I’ve followed this up by creating a Northern productivity leaderboard and then looking at the second fastest: Cumbria.

    https://x.com/JP_Spencer_/status/1973660270942888389

    And perhaps Burnham isn't quite so useless as he is painted ?
    At the very least, he hasn't sabotaged this
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,586
    As an aside:

    I walked to Addenbrookes Hospital earlier, just to the south of Cambridge. I used the bridge over the railway line that carries the misguided bus over the railway. Immediately to the south, Cambridge South station is getting ready for opening - and looking rather nice.

    I noticed one thing: a station has been proposed at this site for years, when the railway was only two tracks. As part of the plans, the railway is being extended to four lines, with gaps between for platforms.

    And the great thing is that when the busway bridge was built in about 2007, it was built wide enough to allow for the station to be built with the new lines.

    This passive provision for new infrastructure is something we really should be doing more of. Yes, it costs a little more to build a wider bridge, but that's nothing compared to the cost and disruption of knocking down the bridge and building a new one.

    Compare and contrast to the Black Cat scheme, which is ongoing. A perfectly good bridge carrying Roxton Road over the A421 had to be demolished and replaced with one slightly wider to allow sliproads down it. Massive cost and inconvenience to replace a bridge that was just 20 or so years old - when they knew there was a good chance sliproads would be needed.

    We need lots of planned, joined-up infrastructure, with passive provision for proposed future projects.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,116
    edited October 2
    Nigelb said:

    The north of England has a better case for economic investment than the pampered south.

    A few weeks back, I wrote a post on why Greater Manchester is the fastest growing part of England.
    Today, I’ve followed this up by creating a Northern productivity leaderboard and then looking at the second fastest: Cumbria.

    https://x.com/JP_Spencer_/status/1973660270942888389

    And perhaps Burnham isn't quite so useless as he is painted ?
    At the very least, he hasn't sabotaged this

    Well the past week he did a very good impression of being somebody who is useless (like he was when he was a minister).

    "Come at the king, you best not miss"
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,033
    Nigelb said:

    The north of England has a better case for economic investment than the pampered south.

    A few weeks back, I wrote a post on why Greater Manchester is the fastest growing part of England.
    Today, I’ve followed this up by creating a Northern productivity leaderboard and then looking at the second fastest: Cumbria.

    https://x.com/JP_Spencer_/status/1973660270942888389

    And perhaps Burnham isn't quite so useless as he is painted ?
    At the very least, he hasn't sabotaged this

    Northern Ireland has had extraordinary growth over the last 30 years too, for obvious reasons. The trouble is slower growth in London contributes more because it starts at a higher base.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,776
    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,044
    edited October 2
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Selebian said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
    It's desperately inappropriate, but I can't get the rubber dinghy rapids line from Four Lions out of my head, reading this.

    ETA: Four Lions got to the stupidity of this. I feel mainly for the victims, of course. But the perpetrator, what a stupidly futile thing to do. It does bugger all for any cause.
    Same, the fact that Four Lions was set in Sheffield didn't help.

    Funny thing is, I knew a real life Barry, from London.

    He regularly used to chastise me for not being a good Muslim, the zeal of a convert is never good.

    Edit Chris Morris explained Barry was based on a real life guy who was in the BNP who regularly used to attack Muslims, then he decided to learn the Quran so he could mock the Muslims he was assaulting but ended up converting himself.
    I could see that happening to @Leon

    What's worse is that I can imagine him posting these incredible passages from the Quran that only he had discovered.
    Your endless second hand posting about me is almost as weird as @IanB2’s
    Leondoofus once again unable to look himself in the mirror.
    You're so touchingly keen to get your new word launched, you keep putting it in bold
    Applausi per that sudden flash of insight from our own Leondoofus.

    We understand why you have such a complex about intelligence, mixing as you do with Oxbridge types capable of holding several contradictory thoughts in their minds until they gather the evidence to come down one side or the other, but there really is no need to transfer your inferiority complex onto this site, where you’re already below median in terms of analytical, spatial, and mathematical intelligence, despite your being occasionally able to conjure up an amusing turn of phrase. But no-one with any sense ever put the court jester in charge of anything.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,116
    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,257
    Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    tlg86 said:

    Just had a work email saying be careful travelling home tonight. Were big demonstrations planned tonight?

    Depends where it is. None round here planned.
    You in Manchester too? We've had the same. The Gaza lot are planning something at Piccadilly. As I said earlier, not really the time or the place.
    North Durham

    There were protests in Newcastle at the weekend. None planned today I’m aware of.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,727
    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    The north of England has a better case for economic investment than the pampered south.

    A few weeks back, I wrote a post on why Greater Manchester is the fastest growing part of England.
    Today, I’ve followed this up by creating a Northern productivity leaderboard and then looking at the second fastest: Cumbria.

    https://x.com/JP_Spencer_/status/1973660270942888389

    And perhaps Burnham isn't quite so useless as he is painted ?
    At the very least, he hasn't sabotaged this

    Northern Ireland has had extraordinary growth over the last 30 years too, for obvious reasons. The trouble is slower growth in London contributes more because it starts at a higher base.
    And because it takes an outsize share of the country's investment.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,727
    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    To wind you up ?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,675

    MaxPB said:

    Eabhal said:

    To merge two topics, it is a bit stupid that a Met police officer is doing the press conference for an incident that happened in Manchester. An obvious reform is to move national responsibilities to the BTP or NCA, and base them in Birmingham or something. That might make the Met slightly less problematic by breaking up some of their structures without abolishing them all together.

    Abolishing the Met would be better though. The whole organisation is rotten to the core, policing should be localised in London at borough level with the NCA taking charge of the rest and maybe a couple of squads that specialise in high profile crimes that happen in London across different territories.
    Breaking up the Met would be popular but expensive and unlikely to help. And it is not as if other forces have been free of trouble, South Yorkshire for instance.
    It would just maintain the corrupt local fiefdoms while removing any oversight of their behaviour.

    Given that the Beeb did absolutely no undercover investigations into the Met when Cressida Dick was allowing this behaviour to go completely unchecked, you have to wonder what Rowley is close to uncovering. It will be interesting to see which news outlets run hardest with this.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,727

    Nigelb said:

    The north of England has a better case for economic investment than the pampered south.

    A few weeks back, I wrote a post on why Greater Manchester is the fastest growing part of England.
    Today, I’ve followed this up by creating a Northern productivity leaderboard and then looking at the second fastest: Cumbria.

    https://x.com/JP_Spencer_/status/1973660270942888389

    And perhaps Burnham isn't quite so useless as he is painted ?
    At the very least, he hasn't sabotaged this

    Well the past week he did a very good impression of being somebody who is useless (like he was when he was a minister).

    "Come at the king, you best not miss"
    Typical southern obsession with politics - as opposed to the real world economy ?
  • Cookie said:

    Four police cars with sirens blazing have gone past in the last ten minutes. This isn't usual. Are things kicking off elsewhere in GM - i.e. the city centre?

    Not as far as I know, but GMP are moving staff around to boost numbers over towards Prestwich/bits of Salford, understandably.

    Traffic is slightly more chaotic than usual, especially around the north Manchester hospitals after the lockdown earlier on.

    Thank god that GMP responded so quickly to take the attacker out, it could have been so much worse - none of the people inside the synagogue would have had their mobile phones, so couldn't have called for help if he had got inside.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,644
    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    It was designed by the best.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,952
    What terrible news from Manchester... RIP to the two victims.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,776

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,644
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    Do you have any of his paintings?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,776
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Selebian said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
    It's desperately inappropriate, but I can't get the rubber dinghy rapids line from Four Lions out of my head, reading this.

    ETA: Four Lions got to the stupidity of this. I feel mainly for the victims, of course. But the perpetrator, what a stupidly futile thing to do. It does bugger all for any cause.
    Same, the fact that Four Lions was set in Sheffield didn't help.

    Funny thing is, I knew a real life Barry, from London.

    He regularly used to chastise me for not being a good Muslim, the zeal of a convert is never good.

    Edit Chris Morris explained Barry was based on a real life guy who was in the BNP who regularly used to attack Muslims, then he decided to learn the Quran so he could mock the Muslims he was assaulting but ended up converting himself.
    I could see that happening to @Leon

    What's worse is that I can imagine him posting these incredible passages from the Quran that only he had discovered.
    Your endless second hand posting about me is almost as weird as @IanB2’s
    Leondoofus once again unable to look himself in the mirror.
    You're so touchingly keen to get your new word launched, you keep putting it in bold
    Applausi per that sudden flash of insight from our own Leondoofus.

    We understand why you have such a complex about intelligence, mixing as you do with Oxbridge types capable of holding several contradictory thoughts in their minds until they gather the evidence to come down one side or the other, but there really is no need to transfer your inferiority complex onto this site, where you’re already below median in terms of analytical, spatial, and mathematical intelligence, despite your being occasionally able to conjure up an amusing turn of phrase. But no-one with any sense ever put the court jester in charge of anything.
    I don't think it's going to work, you tragic old weirdo, but I'll give you a hand anyway:

    LEONDOOFUS
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,044
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Selebian said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
    It's desperately inappropriate, but I can't get the rubber dinghy rapids line from Four Lions out of my head, reading this.

    ETA: Four Lions got to the stupidity of this. I feel mainly for the victims, of course. But the perpetrator, what a stupidly futile thing to do. It does bugger all for any cause.
    Same, the fact that Four Lions was set in Sheffield didn't help.

    Funny thing is, I knew a real life Barry, from London.

    He regularly used to chastise me for not being a good Muslim, the zeal of a convert is never good.

    Edit Chris Morris explained Barry was based on a real life guy who was in the BNP who regularly used to attack Muslims, then he decided to learn the Quran so he could mock the Muslims he was assaulting but ended up converting himself.
    I could see that happening to @Leon

    What's worse is that I can imagine him posting these incredible passages from the Quran that only he had discovered.
    Your endless second hand posting about me is almost as weird as @IanB2’s
    Leondoofus once again unable to look himself in the mirror.
    You're so touchingly keen to get your new word launched, you keep putting it in bold
    Applausi per that sudden flash of insight from our own Leondoofus.

    We understand why you have such a complex about intelligence, mixing as you do with Oxbridge types capable of holding several contradictory thoughts in their minds until they gather the evidence to come down one side or the other, but there really is no need to transfer your inferiority complex onto this site, where you’re already below median in terms of analytical, spatial, and mathematical intelligence, despite your being occasionally able to conjure up an amusing turn of phrase. But no-one with any sense ever put the court jester in charge of anything.
    I don't think it's going to work, you tragic old weirdo, but I'll give you a hand anyway:

    LEONDOOFUS
    It’s just a question of waiting for the next discussion that demands some analysis beyond what you can get from taking all your opinions mindlessly from X.
  • Just seen that there is a Gaza protest planned for this evening, so I imagine Tommeh will be rallying his troops for aggro.

    Good luck to GMP this evening.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,532
    edited October 2
    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    SandraMc said:

    Condolences to all affected by the dreadful Manchester incident.

    A Sky reporter has just referred to the terrorist attack on the Manchester mosque. FFS.

    Hardwired to spread misinformation.
    Prediction: someone in the Sundays will write an opinion piece loosely suggesting it was a false flag.
    I don't think they'll do that, what I think we will see is the narrative of how "unhelpful" this attack is and "Jews killed in terror attack by a Muslim, Muslims most affected". There will be precisely zero written about the hateful things they've been writing about Jewish people under the guise of "anti-zionist" and how they've been pushing harder and harder to get mental people like this to take up arms against Jewish people.

    I also think there's going to be a lot of thinly veiled "they deserved it" and "they brought it on themselves" articles written, though hopefully not by any major publication.
    Do you have an example of the Sunday papers spewing hatred of Jews and encouraging nutcases to kill them? Because that sounds not only disgusting but potentially criminal.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,060
    MattW said:

    Selebian said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
    It's desperately inappropriate, but I can't get the rubber dinghy rapids line from Four Lions out of my head, reading this.

    ETA: Four Lions got to the stupidity of this. I feel mainly for the victims, of course. But the perpetrator, what a stupidly futile thing to do. It does bugger all for any cause.
    Same, the fact that Four Lions was set in Sheffield didn't help.

    Funny thing is, I knew a real life Barry, from London.

    He regularly used to chastise me for not being a good Muslim, the zeal of a convert is never good.

    Edit Chris Morris explained Barry was based on a real life guy who in the BNP who regularly used to attack Muslims, then he decided to learn the Quran so he could mock the Muslims he was assaulting but ended up converting himself.
    That's a very well observed comment, but in measure it is down to what you do with your new convert, and how carefully (using church language) they are "discipled", and encouraged to reflect on, develop, and live out their new values.

    One thing we British failed to address about for decades was the radicalising effect of support of Mosques and provision of Imams by the competing religious establishments of Iran and Saudi.

    The shoe bomber was a convert.

    Also in Trumpistan, some (I have not counted how many) of the senior people are also converts or radicalised as adults. Vance and Hegseth are two such.

    In this country the same applies to Danny Kruger, who was an adult convert at the time he met his wife.

    It does not mean that particular people will turn to violence, but it does mean they have a relatively narrow base, and may be more vulnerable to different kinds of radicalisation, and to reject things that they perceive as being associated with the former version of themselves.

    It speaks to the need of careful discipling of converts, and exposure to different views. That can only be voluntary of course, but needs to include a broadening, rather than a coaxing further down the rabbit hole for more thorough indoctrination.

    That is a human process which operates in any political, religious or ideological group, and is imo how a maturity of view is developed.
    What's the funding mechanism for mosques?

    In churches, established churches tend to think in terms of stipends- the money a minister gets is basically flat rate. Individual congregations are meant to lob a chunk of money to the central body to cover this, plus or minus ability to pay, but that is technically optional.

    Independent churches, such as new evangelical ones, have more of a commission model. More people, giving more, more money for the minister to buy a private jet.

    You can make a moral case either way, but the latter tends to encourage more intensity, radicalisation etc. Beyond a certain point, this becomes a problem.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,096
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Selebian said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
    It's desperately inappropriate, but I can't get the rubber dinghy rapids line from Four Lions out of my head, reading this.

    ETA: Four Lions got to the stupidity of this. I feel mainly for the victims, of course. But the perpetrator, what a stupidly futile thing to do. It does bugger all for any cause.
    Same, the fact that Four Lions was set in Sheffield didn't help.

    Funny thing is, I knew a real life Barry, from London.

    He regularly used to chastise me for not being a good Muslim, the zeal of a convert is never good.

    Edit Chris Morris explained Barry was based on a real life guy who was in the BNP who regularly used to attack Muslims, then he decided to learn the Quran so he could mock the Muslims he was assaulting but ended up converting himself.
    I could see that happening to @Leon

    What's worse is that I can imagine him posting these incredible passages from the Quran that only he had discovered.
    Your endless second hand posting about me is almost as weird as @IanB2’s
    Leondoofus once again unable to look himself in the mirror.
    You're so touchingly keen to get your new word launched, you keep putting it in bold
    Applausi per that sudden flash of insight from our own Leondoofus.

    We understand why you have such a complex about intelligence, mixing as you do with Oxbridge types capable of holding several contradictory thoughts in their minds until they gather the evidence to come down one side or the other, but there really is no need to transfer your inferiority complex onto this site, where you’re already below median in terms of analytical, spatial, and mathematical intelligence, despite your being occasionally able to conjure up an amusing turn of phrase. But no-one with any sense ever put the court jester in charge of anything.
    I don't think it's going to work, you tragic old weirdo, but I'll give you a hand anyway:

    LEONDOOFUS
    Sadly, Noom.com beat you to, er "Noom".

    http://www.noom.com
    https://www.noom.com/about-us/
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,776
    edited October 2
    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    Do you have any of his paintings?
    As if

    I'm just a nomal collector of antiques and artisanal crafts, and intriguing knick knacks, all I want is maybe a twenty foot wide commemorative plate with Hitler's face on it, or maybe a seventy eight ton block of Bohemian crystal carved into the shape of Himmler and studded with a thousand ruby swastikas, maybe for the balcony, or the shed. Just to brighten up the place

    Yet prices are nuts
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,220
    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    tlg86 said:

    Just had a work email saying be careful travelling home tonight. Were big demonstrations planned tonight?

    Depends where it is. None round here planned.
    You in Manchester too? We've had the same. The Gaza lot are planning something at Piccadilly. As I said earlier, not really the time or the place.
    North Durham

    There were protests in Newcastle at the weekend. None planned today I’m aware of.
    Sorry, yes, I know where you are - that's one of those occasions when a slightly distracted poster (i.e. me) responds to the reply to the post he meant to reply to. I meant to reply to @tlg86.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,023
    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Kitsch always demands a premium....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,052
    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    Do you have any of his paintings?
    I've got Hitler's diaries.

    Might be time to cash in on them.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,532
    Nigelb said:

    The north of England has a better case for economic investment than the pampered south.

    A few weeks back, I wrote a post on why Greater Manchester is the fastest growing part of England.
    Today, I’ve followed this up by creating a Northern productivity leaderboard and then looking at the second fastest: Cumbria.

    https://x.com/JP_Spencer_/status/1973660270942888389

    And perhaps Burnham isn't quite so useless as he is painted ?
    At the very least, he hasn't sabotaged this

    He's a good Mayor of Greater Manchester and should stick with it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,730
    Nigelb said:

    Everyone’s becoming addicted to victimhood. Rachel Reeves who’s barely capable of influencing her hairdresser is apparently responsible for inciting a torrent of hatred towards Michelle and Doug.

    Which idiot ennobled this idiot?

    https://x.com/michellemone/status/1973115284803158026?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    She still calls herself Lady Michelle Mone?

    I do feel a little bit sorry for Michie and Dougie. They will uniquely carry the can for Boris Johnson's dodgy friends and family fast track grift.
    I don't, much.
    Apart from anything else, they lied through their teeth about having no connection to the company... until they were forced to admit that they did.
    No I don't really, but I am sad that no one in Government or their close relatives will be called to account for the most appalling of grifts in an emergency.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,800
    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    It was designed by the best.
    Interesting. My late father brought home a Nazi officers dagger which he "acquired" somehow while helping to clear Jutland of German munitions in 1945. I recall seeing it when he came home, but my mother wanted nothing to do with it. When he died in 1992 we found it while clearing out his desk; my mother again said she wanted it out PDQ and my son took it, saying he knew someone who collected these things.
    My son now says that his friend wants further details of the daggers 'provenance'. I suspect my father paid 50 cigarettes for it. Or something like that. Cigarettes were currency in just post-war Europe.

    Have we missed the chance of a small fortune?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,030

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    Do you have any of his paintings?
    I've got Hitler's diaries.

    Might be time to cash in on them.
    Surely you also have rights the the Sean Thomas diatribes. They're far madder, and generally less unpleasant.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,727

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    It was designed by the best.
    Interesting. My late father brought home a Nazi officers dagger which he "acquired" somehow while helping to clear Jutland of German munitions in 1945. I recall seeing it when he came home, but my mother wanted nothing to do with it. When he died in 1992 we found it while clearing out his desk; my mother again said she wanted it out PDQ and my son took it, saying he knew someone who collected these things.
    My son now says that his friend wants further details of the daggers 'provenance'. I suspect my father paid 50 cigarettes for it. Or something like that. Cigarettes were currency in just post-war Europe.

    Have we missed the chance of a small fortune?
    Should have offered it to Leon in exchange for one of his artisinal obsidian pieces.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,727
    The PM of Albania is quite the wit.
    https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1973704591704478140
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,532
    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    Do you have any of his paintings?
    As if

    I'm just a nomal collector of antiques and artisanal crafts, and intriguing knick knacks, all I want is maybe a twenty foot wide commemorative plate with Hitler's face on it, or maybe a seventy eight ton block of Bohemian crystal carved into the shape of Himmler and studded with a thousand ruby swastikas, maybe for the balcony, or the shed. Just to brighten up the place

    Yet prices are nuts
    I have a tea towel with clause4 on it.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,044
    edited October 2
    Leondoofus

    Anyhow, I need to take the dog for his nighttime walk around Pavia, so he can collect the replies to the Pmails he sent yesterday, down by the river.

    Sadly, this is just a replica bridge, as British bombers consigned the original, historic, one to rubble during the war, the foundations of which are occasionally just visible when the water level is low.

    My host tells me that in medieval times the river was the boundary between Italian city republics and whichever of France or Habsburg Spain/Austria was dominant at the time, such that people who now live south of the river sometimes claim they are more genuinely Italian than those in the city itself.



  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,776
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    Do you have any of his paintings?
    As if

    I'm just a nomal collector of antiques and artisanal crafts, and intriguing knick knacks, all I want is maybe a twenty foot wide commemorative plate with Hitler's face on it, or maybe a seventy eight ton block of Bohemian crystal carved into the shape of Himmler and studded with a thousand ruby swastikas, maybe for the balcony, or the shed. Just to brighten up the place

    Yet prices are nuts
    I have a tea towel with clause4 on it.
    I've still got Miliband's "Migration" mug
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,651
    edited October 2
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    Do you have any of his paintings?
    As if

    I'm just a nomal collector of antiques and artisanal crafts, and intriguing knick knacks, all I want is maybe a twenty foot wide commemorative plate with Hitler's face on it, or maybe a seventy eight ton block of Bohemian crystal carved into the shape of Himmler and studded with a thousand ruby swastikas, maybe for the balcony, or the shed. Just to brighten up the place

    Yet prices are nuts
    I have a tea towel with clause4 on it.
    I have something even more arcane and nostalgic. A patriotic tea towel with the British space programme on it (Black Arrow at Woomera).
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,274

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    It was designed by the best.
    Interesting. My late father brought home a Nazi officers dagger which he "acquired" somehow while helping to clear Jutland of German munitions in 1945. I recall seeing it when he came home, but my mother wanted nothing to do with it. When he died in 1992 we found it while clearing out his desk; my mother again said she wanted it out PDQ and my son took it, saying he knew someone who collected these things.
    My son now says that his friend wants further details of the daggers 'provenance'. I suspect my father paid 50 cigarettes for it. Or something like that. Cigarettes were currency in just post-war Europe.

    Have we missed the chance of a small fortune?
    I heard an interesting anecdote once from someone at a rather well known German bank. They had been clearing out an old branch before closing it and at the back of the safe, found a bag of golden teeth. Something of a conundrum. Couldn’t exactly be passed through the accounts. But then again it would be even worse if the staff trousered them. My acquaintance was tasked with finding a backstreet smelter and giving the proceeds to a holocaust charity.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,052
    edited October 2
    Badenoch mistakenly says NI voted in favour of Brexit

    Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch has mistakenly said Northern Ireland "voted to leave" the European Union as she defended her party's record on Brexit.

    In an interview with BBC News NI, she said: "The last time I checked, Northern Ireland did vote to leave."

    Northern Ireland voted by 56% to 44% in favour of staying in the EU in the 2016 referendum, which saw the UK overall vote to leave by a majority of 52% to 48%.

    When pressed, Badenoch later corrected herself, saying: "Scotland voted to remain, a lot of people in Northern Ireland voted to remain, you're right - but Wales and England voted to leave, the UK as a whole voted to leave."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly972lm6ddo
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,776
    Sadly, I have broken my two Vlad Putin mugs that I bought in St Petersburg

  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,776
    edited October 2

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    It was designed by the best.
    Interesting. My late father brought home a Nazi officers dagger which he "acquired" somehow while helping to clear Jutland of German munitions in 1945. I recall seeing it when he came home, but my mother wanted nothing to do with it. When he died in 1992 we found it while clearing out his desk; my mother again said she wanted it out PDQ and my son took it, saying he knew someone who collected these things.
    My son now says that his friend wants further details of the daggers 'provenance'. I suspect my father paid 50 cigarettes for it. Or something like that. Cigarettes were currency in just post-war Europe.

    Have we missed the chance of a small fortune?
    Not a fortune, but not nothing

    Judging by these auction records, it might have been worth £200? ish?


    https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/coronariauctions/catalogue-id-coronari10021/lot-ccb12a83-79f4-4fea-8d49-b35d00a6032e

    However if the provenance is really interesting - it belonged to Rommel! - then that price explodes
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,727
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    Do you have any of his paintings?
    As if

    I'm just a nomal collector of antiques and artisanal crafts, and intriguing knick knacks, all I want is maybe a twenty foot wide commemorative plate with Hitler's face on it, or maybe a seventy eight ton block of Bohemian crystal carved into the shape of Himmler and studded with a thousand ruby swastikas, maybe for the balcony, or the shed. Just to brighten up the place

    Yet prices are nuts
    I have a tea towel with clause4 on it.
    Leon has a different Klaus in mind.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,800
    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    It was designed by the best.
    Interesting. My late father brought home a Nazi officers dagger which he "acquired" somehow while helping to clear Jutland of German munitions in 1945. I recall seeing it when he came home, but my mother wanted nothing to do with it. When he died in 1992 we found it while clearing out his desk; my mother again said she wanted it out PDQ and my son took it, saying he knew someone who collected these things.
    My son now says that his friend wants further details of the daggers 'provenance'. I suspect my father paid 50 cigarettes for it. Or something like that. Cigarettes were currency in just post-war Europe.

    Have we missed the chance of a small fortune?
    Not a fortune, but not nothing

    Judging by these auction records, it might have been worth £200? ish?


    https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/coronariauctions/catalogue-id-coronari10021/lot-ccb12a83-79f4-4fea-8d49-b35d00a6032e

    However if the provenance is really interesting - it belonged to Rommel! - then that price explodes
    Thanks. I'll tell my son; see if his friend will split it with us.
    I suspect it belonged to a junior-ish officer who was glad to be shot of any connection with the Nazis.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,023
    Leon said:

    Sadly, I have broken my two Vlad Putin mugs that I bought in St Petersburg

    I have a lovely picture of a smiling Saddam Hussein in a shiny suit, somewhere.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,220

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    It was designed by the best.
    Interesting. My late father brought home a Nazi officers dagger which he "acquired" somehow while helping to clear Jutland of German munitions in 1945. I recall seeing it when he came home, but my mother wanted nothing to do with it. When he died in 1992 we found it while clearing out his desk; my mother again said she wanted it out PDQ and my son took it, saying he knew someone who collected these things.
    My son now says that his friend wants further details of the daggers 'provenance'. I suspect my father paid 50 cigarettes for it. Or something like that. Cigarettes were currency in just post-war Europe.

    Have we missed the chance of a small fortune?
    A few years back I aquired my late grandfather's stamp collection. His 'Germany' collection had a whole album to itself, having lived there in tbe 70s for a few years. Slightly jarring to leaf through and see pages of stamps with yer actual Hitler looking back at you.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,651
    edited October 2

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    It was designed by the best.
    Interesting. My late father brought home a Nazi officers dagger which he "acquired" somehow while helping to clear Jutland of German munitions in 1945. I recall seeing it when he came home, but my mother wanted nothing to do with it. When he died in 1992 we found it while clearing out his desk; my mother again said she wanted it out PDQ and my son took it, saying he knew someone who collected these things.
    My son now says that his friend wants further details of the daggers 'provenance'. I suspect my father paid 50 cigarettes for it. Or something like that. Cigarettes were currency in just post-war Europe.

    Have we missed the chance of a small fortune?
    The NS-zeit collector market is insane. Something I have never been attracted by. The massive books on things like the minutiae of NSDAP sports instructors' jockstraps and Luftwaffe female auxiliary radar operators' badges. The prevalence of fakes and frauds only makes things worse.

    Edit: I imagine the presence of crap ersatz wartime workmanship makes sorting out the duds still harder.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,727
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    Do you have any of his paintings?
    As if

    I'm just a nomal collector of antiques and artisanal crafts, and intriguing knick knacks, all I want is maybe a twenty foot wide commemorative plate with Hitler's face on it, or maybe a seventy eight ton block of Bohemian crystal carved into the shape of Himmler and studded with a thousand ruby swastikas, maybe for the balcony, or the shed. Just to brighten up the place

    Yet prices are nuts
    I have a tea towel with clause4 on it.
    I've still got Miliband's "Migration" mug
    An identifiable shard of the Edstone would be something.
  • kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    Do you have any of his paintings?
    As if

    I'm just a nomal collector of antiques and artisanal crafts, and intriguing knick knacks, all I want is maybe a twenty foot wide commemorative plate with Hitler's face on it, or maybe a seventy eight ton block of Bohemian crystal carved into the shape of Himmler and studded with a thousand ruby swastikas, maybe for the balcony, or the shed. Just to brighten up the place

    Yet prices are nuts
    I have a tea towel with clause4 on it.
    I have a tea towel with my children's drawings of their own faces on it from their primary school.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,795

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    It was designed by the best.
    Interesting. My late father brought home a Nazi officers dagger which he "acquired" somehow while helping to clear Jutland of German munitions in 1945. I recall seeing it when he came home, but my mother wanted nothing to do with it. When he died in 1992 we found it while clearing out his desk; my mother again said she wanted it out PDQ and my son took it, saying he knew someone who collected these things.
    My son now says that his friend wants further details of the daggers 'provenance'. I suspect my father paid 50 cigarettes for it. Or something like that. Cigarettes were currency in just post-war Europe.

    Have we missed the chance of a small fortune?
    My understanding is that a lot of war loot was quietly disposed of as the War generation passed on. Flags and daggers and that kind of thing...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,651
    Foss said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    It was designed by the best.
    Interesting. My late father brought home a Nazi officers dagger which he "acquired" somehow while helping to clear Jutland of German munitions in 1945. I recall seeing it when he came home, but my mother wanted nothing to do with it. When he died in 1992 we found it while clearing out his desk; my mother again said she wanted it out PDQ and my son took it, saying he knew someone who collected these things.
    My son now says that his friend wants further details of the daggers 'provenance'. I suspect my father paid 50 cigarettes for it. Or something like that. Cigarettes were currency in just post-war Europe.

    Have we missed the chance of a small fortune?
    My understanding is that a lot of war loot was quietly disposed of as the War generation passed on. Flags and daggers and that kind of thing...
    Still more so, Lugers and suchlike. Especially with the newer UK legislation on strict possession.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,052
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    Do you have any of his paintings?
    As if

    I'm just a nomal collector of antiques and artisanal crafts, and intriguing knick knacks, all I want is maybe a twenty foot wide commemorative plate with Hitler's face on it, or maybe a seventy eight ton block of Bohemian crystal carved into the shape of Himmler and studded with a thousand ruby swastikas, maybe for the balcony, or the shed. Just to brighten up the place

    Yet prices are nuts
    I have a tea towel with clause4 on it.
    Leon has a different Klaus in mind.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJMPom6-xmA
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,377
    The New Yorker, coming out of the bullpen with a zinger


  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,220

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    Do you have any of his paintings?
    As if

    I'm just a nomal collector of antiques and artisanal crafts, and intriguing knick knacks, all I want is maybe a twenty foot wide commemorative plate with Hitler's face on it, or maybe a seventy eight ton block of Bohemian crystal carved into the shape of Himmler and studded with a thousand ruby swastikas, maybe for the balcony, or the shed. Just to brighten up the place

    Yet prices are nuts
    I have a tea towel with clause4 on it.
    I have a tea towel with my children's drawings of their own faces on it from their primary school.
    This only counts if any of their classmates were Nazis.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,116
    Scott_xP said:

    The New Yorker, coming out of the bullpen with a zinger

    I don't think Matt has much to worry about.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,587

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    Do you have any of his paintings?
    As if

    I'm just a nomal collector of antiques and artisanal crafts, and intriguing knick knacks, all I want is maybe a twenty foot wide commemorative plate with Hitler's face on it, or maybe a seventy eight ton block of Bohemian crystal carved into the shape of Himmler and studded with a thousand ruby swastikas, maybe for the balcony, or the shed. Just to brighten up the place

    Yet prices are nuts
    I have a tea towel with clause4 on it.
    I have a tea towel with my children's drawings of their own faces on it from their primary school.
    Mine has the faces of their whole class; all in their thirties now. The ones who went to Oxford, the ones who went to prison, the bullies, the nice girls, the misfits, the farmer and factory boys.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,795

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    Do you have any of his paintings?
    As if

    I'm just a nomal collector of antiques and artisanal crafts, and intriguing knick knacks, all I want is maybe a twenty foot wide commemorative plate with Hitler's face on it, or maybe a seventy eight ton block of Bohemian crystal carved into the shape of Himmler and studded with a thousand ruby swastikas, maybe for the balcony, or the shed. Just to brighten up the place

    Yet prices are nuts
    I have a tea towel with clause4 on it.
    I have a tea towel with my children's drawings of their own faces on it from their primary school.
    Did they ever invade the next door classroom for extra Unterrichtsraum?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,684

    Nigelb said:

    The north of England has a better case for economic investment than the pampered south.

    A few weeks back, I wrote a post on why Greater Manchester is the fastest growing part of England.
    Today, I’ve followed this up by creating a Northern productivity leaderboard and then looking at the second fastest: Cumbria.

    https://x.com/JP_Spencer_/status/1973660270942888389

    And perhaps Burnham isn't quite so useless as he is painted ?
    At the very least, he hasn't sabotaged this

    Well the past week he did a very good impression of being somebody who is useless (like he was when he was a minister).

    "Come at the king, you best not miss"
    You know, useless might actually be an upgrade.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,023
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    Do you have any of his paintings?
    As if

    I'm just a nomal collector of antiques and artisanal crafts, and intriguing knick knacks, all I want is maybe a twenty foot wide commemorative plate with Hitler's face on it, or maybe a seventy eight ton block of Bohemian crystal carved into the shape of Himmler and studded with a thousand ruby swastikas, maybe for the balcony, or the shed. Just to brighten up the place

    Yet prices are nuts
    I have a tea towel with clause4 on it.
    Leon has a different Klaus in mind.
    Santa - is a Nazi?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,727

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    Do you have any of his paintings?
    As if

    I'm just a nomal collector of antiques and artisanal crafts, and intriguing knick knacks, all I want is maybe a twenty foot wide commemorative plate with Hitler's face on it, or maybe a seventy eight ton block of Bohemian crystal carved into the shape of Himmler and studded with a thousand ruby swastikas, maybe for the balcony, or the shed. Just to brighten up the place

    Yet prices are nuts
    I have a tea towel with clause4 on it.
    Leon has a different Klaus in mind.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJMPom6-xmA
    That explains the couple of seriously disappointed guys I noticed at the end of the Barbie movie.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,116
    edited October 2
    Britain must defeat rising antisemitic hatred, Starmer says

    Britain is a country that has welcomed Jewish communities and has provided refuge and a home, he says.

    But Britain is also a country were Jewish buildings require round-the-clock protection and specialist security is necessary "because of the daily threat of antisemitic hatred", Starmer says.

    He says this is not a new hatred but one that is "rising once again" and Britain must "defeat it once again".
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,023
    Scott_xP said:

    The New Yorker, coming out of the bullpen with a zinger


    Independence Day reinterpreted as 9/11 was always an interesting take...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,116
    Police will let a pro-Palestine protest go ahead at a Manchester railway station just hours after a terror attack on a synagogue.

    The British Transport Police (BTP) said they are stepping up patrols after pro-Palestine activists began urging each other to descend on Manchester station at 5.30pm on Thursday.

    A force spokesman said BTP would “facilitate peaceful protest” but that officers would intervene if protesters tried to get inside the station.

    Social media posts urged pro-Palestine activists to “block the tracks” in protest against Israel’s arrest of Greta Thunberg.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,651

    100 years ago today, John Logie Baird made the first successful TV transmission.

    https://x.com/CalumDouglas1/status/1973781167443681693

    But was it TV as we know it? Rather like Alexander Bain (trained in Wick) inventing the fax machine in 1843.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,408

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    It was designed by the best.
    Interesting. My late father brought home a Nazi officers dagger which he "acquired" somehow while helping to clear Jutland of German munitions in 1945. I recall seeing it when he came home, but my mother wanted nothing to do with it. When he died in 1992 we found it while clearing out his desk; my mother again said she wanted it out PDQ and my son took it, saying he knew someone who collected these things.
    My son now says that his friend wants further details of the daggers 'provenance'. I suspect my father paid 50 cigarettes for it. Or something like that. Cigarettes were currency in just post-war Europe.

    Have we missed the chance of a small fortune?
    There’s a pretty big industry in fakes which interestingly began quite soon after the end of the war. One of the groups I follow on FB are onto anything slightly dodgy like enraged hawks - ‘fantasy piece’ is their favourite term of withering disdain. The closer something is to the horrible stuff (SS, concentration camps etc) the more valuable, though also the more likely to be ersatz.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,096

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    Do you have any of his paintings?
    As if

    I'm just a nomal collector of antiques and artisanal crafts, and intriguing knick knacks, all I want is maybe a twenty foot wide commemorative plate with Hitler's face on it, or maybe a seventy eight ton block of Bohemian crystal carved into the shape of Himmler and studded with a thousand ruby swastikas, maybe for the balcony, or the shed. Just to brighten up the place

    Yet prices are nuts
    I have a tea towel with clause4 on it.
    Leon has a different Klaus in mind.
    Santa - is a Nazi?
    Rudolf Hess the Reindeer.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,023

    100 years ago today, John Logie Baird made the first successful TV transmission.

    https://x.com/CalumDouglas1/status/1973781167443681693

    It's a shame it never took off.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,651

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    It was designed by the best.
    Interesting. My late father brought home a Nazi officers dagger which he "acquired" somehow while helping to clear Jutland of German munitions in 1945. I recall seeing it when he came home, but my mother wanted nothing to do with it. When he died in 1992 we found it while clearing out his desk; my mother again said she wanted it out PDQ and my son took it, saying he knew someone who collected these things.
    My son now says that his friend wants further details of the daggers 'provenance'. I suspect my father paid 50 cigarettes for it. Or something like that. Cigarettes were currency in just post-war Europe.

    Have we missed the chance of a small fortune?
    There’s a pretty big industry in fakes which interestingly began quite soon after the end of the war. One of the groups I follow on FB are onto anything slightly dodgy like enraged hawks - ‘fantasy piece’ is their favourite term of withering disdain. The closer something is to the horrible stuff (SS, concentration camps etc) the more valuable, though also the more likely to be ersatz.
    But of course there was genuine ersatz and ersatz ersatz ...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,586

    Police will let a pro-Palestine protest go ahead at a Manchester railway station just hours after a terror attack on a synagogue.

    The British Transport Police (BTP) said they are stepping up patrols after pro-Palestine activists began urging each other to descend on Manchester station at 5.30pm on Thursday.

    A force spokesman said BTP would “facilitate peaceful protest” but that officers would intervene if protesters tried to get inside the station.

    Social media posts urged pro-Palestine activists to “block the tracks” in protest against Israel’s arrest of Greta Thunberg.

    The protestors are really bad at reading the room, aren't they?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,143
    edited October 2

    Cookie said:

    Four police cars with sirens blazing have gone past in the last ten minutes. This isn't usual. Are things kicking off elsewhere in GM - i.e. the city centre?

    Not as far as I know, but GMP are moving staff around to boost numbers over towards Prestwich/bits of Salford, understandably.

    Traffic is slightly more chaotic than usual, especially around the north Manchester hospitals after the lockdown earlier on.

    Thank god that GMP responded so quickly to take the attacker out, it could have been so much worse - none of the people inside the synagogue would have had their mobile phones, so couldn't have called for help if he had got inside.
    The synagogue security volunteers (in the yellow hats in some of the pictures) would have had their phones.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,776
    Carnyx said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    It was designed by the best.
    Interesting. My late father brought home a Nazi officers dagger which he "acquired" somehow while helping to clear Jutland of German munitions in 1945. I recall seeing it when he came home, but my mother wanted nothing to do with it. When he died in 1992 we found it while clearing out his desk; my mother again said she wanted it out PDQ and my son took it, saying he knew someone who collected these things.
    My son now says that his friend wants further details of the daggers 'provenance'. I suspect my father paid 50 cigarettes for it. Or something like that. Cigarettes were currency in just post-war Europe.

    Have we missed the chance of a small fortune?
    The NS-zeit collector market is insane. Something I have never been attracted by. The massive books on things like the minutiae of NSDAP sports instructors' jockstraps and Luftwaffe female auxiliary radar operators' badges. The prevalence of fakes and frauds only makes things worse.

    Edit: I imagine the presence of crap ersatz wartime workmanship makes sorting out the duds still harder.
    The appeal is the story, but also the thrill of the taboo

    This applies to Mao and Stalin too. Tho not as much as Hitler and the Nazis

    You pay a hefty premium for genuine Maoist or Stalinist Soviet memorabilia

    And then there's Khmer Rouge souvenirs, which are probably the most insane of all

    eg $700 - yes, seven hundred bucks - for a pair of sandals from the Khmer Rouge era

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/388717800103?_skw=khmer+rouge+sandals&itmmeta=01K6JZ5RHM0VKWRAB3ZWZ7GQPT&hash=item5a8162eaa7:g:JoIAAOSwFK5m8dZo&itmprp=enc:AQAKAAAA0FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1fRcZP4inJTINDOWR1cShmjy7aRomV/31YRG7vFNWkI7+OmXRmExMfj6CPnPHrEl+GxahfylkGJ1qJ60/AXVhm8+JH/G8/mXfFxei+nwwoa+h2etOPl9V+eeELaKh+VYw+JzAVOsF4PVKtX1JlmBM/cZZBEmqpgx/0fSlZ9CQA4kN3xOWMqMGBgpyYA6qhIb3uO2tC2TGnZf0/lekBhgGqIpI2cX+/ps/zRgHsebaw7BadtV3BmKlQIAUrcI/PZfzk=|tkp:Bk9SR4iJl9-0Zg
  • Police will let a pro-Palestine protest go ahead at a Manchester railway station just hours after a terror attack on a synagogue.

    The British Transport Police (BTP) said they are stepping up patrols after pro-Palestine activists began urging each other to descend on Manchester station at 5.30pm on Thursday.

    A force spokesman said BTP would “facilitate peaceful protest” but that officers would intervene if protesters tried to get inside the station.

    Social media posts urged pro-Palestine activists to “block the tracks” in protest against Israel’s arrest of Greta Thunberg.

    The protestors are really bad at reading the room, aren't they?
    We're not dealing with the best and brightest here.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,792
    edited October 2
    Dupe
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,792
    MaxPB said:

    They're both shit candidates.

    Labour are having a Powell movement.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,776

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    It was designed by the best.
    Interesting. My late father brought home a Nazi officers dagger which he "acquired" somehow while helping to clear Jutland of German munitions in 1945. I recall seeing it when he came home, but my mother wanted nothing to do with it. When he died in 1992 we found it while clearing out his desk; my mother again said she wanted it out PDQ and my son took it, saying he knew someone who collected these things.
    My son now says that his friend wants further details of the daggers 'provenance'. I suspect my father paid 50 cigarettes for it. Or something like that. Cigarettes were currency in just post-war Europe.

    Have we missed the chance of a small fortune?
    There’s a pretty big industry in fakes which interestingly began quite soon after the end of the war. One of the groups I follow on FB are onto anything slightly dodgy like enraged hawks - ‘fantasy piece’ is their favourite term of withering disdain. The closer something is to the horrible stuff (SS, concentration camps etc) the more valuable, though also the more likely to be ersatz.
    I might get into fake Khmer Rouge souvenirs

    Looking at eBay they have the biggest difference between intrinsic value as "things" and market value

    Cheap cotton Khmer Rouge caps go for £100
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,096

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
    72 year-old virgin?
    AIUI and I'm not really bothered but aren't the virgins in the Islamic heaven perpetually virgin? Where's the fun in that?
    Regrowing like prometheus’s liver? Or is that too alien a concept?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,143

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
    72 year-old virgin?
    On that note, it has been reported the bomb was not a bomb. Presumably it was there to fool the police into shooting him, thus ensuring his passage to heaven. Paradoxically, if you have been indoctrinated into that mindset, being killed by the enemies of Islam (operationally defined as the local constabulary or anyone at all really; let's face it, if you think Israel's government is run from Manchester, you are not the full shekel) is an incentive, not a deterrent.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,096

    Dupe

    Missing full stop.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,377
    Talking of fake memorabilia...

    @JenniferJJacobs

    Scoop: The head of a presidential library resigned this week after a tug-of-war with the Trump admin over a sword and gift selection for King Charles, sources told @CBSNews.

    Todd Arrington's departure came after sources say he resisted taking an original sword out of the Eisenhower library's collection to give to the king last month.

    Ultimately, West Point provided a faux version of Eisenhower's sword from the military academy.

    Four U.S. officials involved in the lavish royal visit were unaware that the library director had left his job, and said the White House played no role in his exit.

    https://x.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1973705793489834363
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,143
    Cookie said:

    Four police cars with sirens blazing have gone past in the last ten minutes. This isn't usual. Are things kicking off elsewhere in GM - i.e. the city centre?

    Or it could be a response to information gained from the other two arrested. Or someone's pinched a bike inside the 2-hour deadline.
  • From what I can see, GMP have kept the Gaza Flotilla Supporters Club away from Piccadilly Station - only a handful of wanks have turned up.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,137
    IanB2 said:

    Everyone’s becoming addicted to victimhood. Rachel Reeves who’s barely capable of influencing her hairdresser is apparently responsible for inciting a torrent of hatred towards Michelle and Doug.

    Which idiot ennobled this idiot?

    https://x.com/michellemone/status/1973115284803158026?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    She still calls herself Lady Michelle Mone?

    I do feel a little bit sorry for Michie and Dougie. They will uniquely carry the can for Boris Johnson's dodgy friends and family fast track grift.
    Well, her company is going to declare itself bankrupt and unable to repay even a smidgin of the £120,000,000 billion demand they’ve just been handed by the courts. Meanwhile the stolen money sits in Michelle’s (hubby’s) trust fund and what are the chances we taxpayers will ever get any of that back?
    Can the Proceeds of Crime Act apply?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,469
    Carnyx said:

    100 years ago today, John Logie Baird made the first successful TV transmission.

    https://x.com/CalumDouglas1/status/1973781167443681693

    But was it TV as we know it? Rather like Alexander Bain (trained in Wick) inventing the fax machine in 1843.
    Good video from BBC Archive on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcKik2iHgws
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,183

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    It was designed by the best.
    Interesting. My late father brought home a Nazi officers dagger which he "acquired" somehow while helping to clear Jutland of German munitions in 1945. I recall seeing it when he came home, but my mother wanted nothing to do with it. When he died in 1992 we found it while clearing out his desk; my mother again said she wanted it out PDQ and my son took it, saying he knew someone who collected these things.
    My son now says that his friend wants further details of the daggers 'provenance'. I suspect my father paid 50 cigarettes for it. Or something like that. Cigarettes were currency in just post-war Europe.

    Have we missed the chance of a small fortune?
    Many of the staff employed by the RSPB in the immediate postwar years were ex-services. They made for good reserve wardens.

    One of them "liberated" a set of naval binoculars from a U-Boat conning tower at the end of the war and had them installed at the bird hide at Loch Garten for viewing the ospreys back in the 50s. They were there when I visited not too many years ago. The swastika still plainly visible. Good binoculars too - excellent optics.
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