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  • TazTaz Posts: 21,257
    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Everyone’s becoming addicted to victimhood. Rachel Reeves who’s barely capable of influencing her hairdresser is apparently responsible for inciting a torrent of hatred towards Michelle and Doug.

    Which idiot ennobled this idiot?

    https://x.com/michellemone/status/1973115284803158026?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    She still calls herself Lady Michelle Mone?

    I do feel a little bit sorry for Michie and Dougie. They will uniquely carry the can for Boris Johnson's dodgy friends and family fast track grift.
    Well, her company is going to declare itself bankrupt and unable to repay even a smidgin of the £120,000,000 billion demand they’ve just been handed by the courts. Meanwhile the stolen money sits in Michelle’s (hubby’s) trust fund and what are the chances we taxpayers will ever get any of that back?
    Can the Proceeds of Crime Act apply?
    There’s a separate NCA investigation ongoing.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,532
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    Do you have any of his paintings?
    As if

    I'm just a nomal collector of antiques and artisanal crafts, and intriguing knick knacks, all I want is maybe a twenty foot wide commemorative plate with Hitler's face on it, or maybe a seventy eight ton block of Bohemian crystal carved into the shape of Himmler and studded with a thousand ruby swastikas, maybe for the balcony, or the shed. Just to brighten up the place

    Yet prices are nuts
    I have a tea towel with clause4 on it.
    I've still got Miliband's "Migration" mug
    Really? I thought you were kidding about the fascist memorabilia.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,792
    Scott_xP said:

    Talking of fake memorabilia...

    @JenniferJJacobs

    Scoop: The head of a presidential library resigned this week after a tug-of-war with the Trump admin over a sword and gift selection for King Charles, sources told @CBSNews.

    Todd Arrington's departure came after sources say he resisted taking an original sword out of the Eisenhower library's collection to give to the king last month.

    Ultimately, West Point provided a faux version of Eisenhower's sword from the military academy.

    Four U.S. officials involved in the lavish royal visit were unaware that the library director had left his job, and said the White House played no role in his exit.

    https://x.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1973705793489834363

    The Americans are famous cheapskates in such things. Obama giving Brown (was it Brown?) a set of dvds from the White House gift shop that didn't even play in Region 1 was a particularly despicable example.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,341
    edited October 2
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    I have an Iron Cross somewhere. Sometimes I do wonder exactly how it was acquired.

    I expect they are quite common.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,096

    Badenoch mistakenly says NI voted in favour of Brexit

    Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch has mistakenly said Northern Ireland "voted to leave" the European Union as she defended her party's record on Brexit.

    In an interview with BBC News NI, she said: "The last time I checked, Northern Ireland did vote to leave."

    Northern Ireland voted by 56% to 44% in favour of staying in the EU in the 2016 referendum, which saw the UK overall vote to leave by a majority of 52% to 48%.

    When pressed, Badenoch later corrected herself, saying: "Scotland voted to remain, a lot of people in Northern Ireland voted to remain, you're right - but Wales and England voted to leave, the UK as a whole voted to leave."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly972lm6ddo


    Politician acknowledges unimportant mistake when corrected
    is fairer headline
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,800
    Carnyx said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    It was designed by the best.
    Interesting. My late father brought home a Nazi officers dagger which he "acquired" somehow while helping to clear Jutland of German munitions in 1945. I recall seeing it when he came home, but my mother wanted nothing to do with it. When he died in 1992 we found it while clearing out his desk; my mother again said she wanted it out PDQ and my son took it, saying he knew someone who collected these things.
    My son now says that his friend wants further details of the daggers 'provenance'. I suspect my father paid 50 cigarettes for it. Or something like that. Cigarettes were currency in just post-war Europe.

    Have we missed the chance of a small fortune?
    There’s a pretty big industry in fakes which interestingly began quite soon after the end of the war. One of the groups I follow on FB are onto anything slightly dodgy like enraged hawks - ‘fantasy piece’ is their favourite term of withering disdain. The closer something is to the horrible stuff (SS, concentration camps etc) the more valuable, though also the more likely to be ersatz.
    But of course there was genuine ersatz and ersatz ersatz ...
    I would say this dagger is definitely kosher but….
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,532

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    Do you have any of his paintings?
    As if

    I'm just a nomal collector of antiques and artisanal crafts, and intriguing knick knacks, all I want is maybe a twenty foot wide commemorative plate with Hitler's face on it, or maybe a seventy eight ton block of Bohemian crystal carved into the shape of Himmler and studded with a thousand ruby swastikas, maybe for the balcony, or the shed. Just to brighten up the place

    Yet prices are nuts
    I have a tea towel with clause4 on it.
    I have a tea towel with my children's drawings of their own faces on it from their primary school.
    Couldn't you get a Clause 4 one?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,137

    I do wonder about some people, the guy capturing the images on mobile phone despite the police screaming to get back stands there going ohhhh loook he has a bomb, ohhh he is trying to press a button, .....

    Not going to lie, what really pisses me off about these people, they usually record the footage in portrait mode, not landscape, absolute roasters.
    A very inappropriate LOL. Can I flag you for that?
    It is impossible to flag my posts, same for Robert's posts.
    I fat finger flagged Robert before the double click accident prevention system was implemented. He went f***in' apeshit!
    Can we block flagging of Nuneaton, Epping, Hastings ...

    A Council Cabinet Member in Derby a few days ago had a drive by flag-waver shout at her that she was going to be raped, after she raised the prospect of flags being removed and replaced with Remembrance Day poppies, and then Christmas Decorations.

    Defenders of women and girls, all.

    But following the flag announcement, she said: "I've been threatened for doing my job. I've been subjected to personal insults about my appearance and size for doing my job.

    "I've been warned not to go to football matches or pubs in the city because I won't be safe for doing my job.

    "Some of those threats have gone way too far this time and obviously being shouted at that I'm going to be raped for raping them of the flag is not acceptable in any way, shape or form."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yjq530qp3o
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,820

    100 years ago today, John Logie Baird made the first successful TV transmission.

    https://x.com/CalumDouglas1/status/1973781167443681693

    Those Scots played a big role in early broadcasting, what with Lord Reith, there too.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,137

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    I have an Iron Cross somewhere. Sometimes I do wonder exactly how it was acquired.

    I expect they are quite common.
    Quick check: 5 million WW1, 4 million WW2.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,137
    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Everyone’s becoming addicted to victimhood. Rachel Reeves who’s barely capable of influencing her hairdresser is apparently responsible for inciting a torrent of hatred towards Michelle and Doug.

    Which idiot ennobled this idiot?

    https://x.com/michellemone/status/1973115284803158026?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    She still calls herself Lady Michelle Mone?

    I do feel a little bit sorry for Michie and Dougie. They will uniquely carry the can for Boris Johnson's dodgy friends and family fast track grift.
    Well, her company is going to declare itself bankrupt and unable to repay even a smidgin of the £120,000,000 billion demand they’ve just been handed by the courts. Meanwhile the stolen money sits in Michelle’s (hubby’s) trust fund and what are the chances we taxpayers will ever get any of that back?
    Can the Proceeds of Crime Act apply?
    There’s a separate NCA investigation ongoing.
    Yes, but I understand that is now 4 years in, and the NCA do not I think have the most distinguished record.

    AFAICS POCA can apply to civil cases.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,427
    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Everyone’s becoming addicted to victimhood. Rachel Reeves who’s barely capable of influencing her hairdresser is apparently responsible for inciting a torrent of hatred towards Michelle and Doug.

    Which idiot ennobled this idiot?

    https://x.com/michellemone/status/1973115284803158026?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    She still calls herself Lady Michelle Mone?

    I do feel a little bit sorry for Michie and Dougie. They will uniquely carry the can for Boris Johnson's dodgy friends and family fast track grift.
    Well, her company is going to declare itself bankrupt and unable to repay even a smidgin of the £120,000,000 billion demand they’ve just been handed by the courts. Meanwhile the stolen money sits in Michelle’s (hubby’s) trust fund and what are the chances we taxpayers will ever get any of that back?
    Can the Proceeds of Crime Act apply?
    There’s a separate NCA investigation ongoing.
    It’s a very easy fraud case as Barrowman has already been caught using an English and IoM company with the same name to cover his backside.

    I suspect there is a conversation going on that goes pay the money back in full or you are both off for jail for a very long time based in a fraud trial that anyone can understand
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,257

    Scott_xP said:

    Talking of fake memorabilia...

    @JenniferJJacobs

    Scoop: The head of a presidential library resigned this week after a tug-of-war with the Trump admin over a sword and gift selection for King Charles, sources told @CBSNews.

    Todd Arrington's departure came after sources say he resisted taking an original sword out of the Eisenhower library's collection to give to the king last month.

    Ultimately, West Point provided a faux version of Eisenhower's sword from the military academy.

    Four U.S. officials involved in the lavish royal visit were unaware that the library director had left his job, and said the White House played no role in his exit.

    https://x.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1973705793489834363

    The Americans are famous cheapskates in such things. Obama giving Brown (was it Brown?) a set of dvds from the White House gift shop that didn't even play in Region 1 was a particularly despicable example.
    US is region 1. We are region 2.

    All he need would be a cheap DVD player with a handset hack.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,800
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Everyone’s becoming addicted to victimhood. Rachel Reeves who’s barely capable of influencing her hairdresser is apparently responsible for inciting a torrent of hatred towards Michelle and Doug.

    Which idiot ennobled this idiot?

    https://x.com/michellemone/status/1973115284803158026?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    She still calls herself Lady Michelle Mone?

    I do feel a little bit sorry for Michie and Dougie. They will uniquely carry the can for Boris Johnson's dodgy friends and family fast track grift.
    Well, her company is going to declare itself bankrupt and unable to repay even a smidgin of the £120,000,000 billion demand they’ve just been handed by the courts. Meanwhile the stolen money sits in Michelle’s (hubby’s) trust fund and what are the chances we taxpayers will ever get any of that back?
    Can the Proceeds of Crime Act apply?
    There’s a separate NCA investigation ongoing.
    It’s a very easy fraud case as Barrowman has already been caught using an English and IoM company with the same name to cover his backside.

    I suspect there is a conversation going on that goes pay the money back in full or you are both off for jail for a very long time based in a fraud trial that anyone can understand
    IANAL but I don’t believe any fraud case is ‘easy’.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,220

    Scott_xP said:

    Talking of fake memorabilia...

    @JenniferJJacobs

    Scoop: The head of a presidential library resigned this week after a tug-of-war with the Trump admin over a sword and gift selection for King Charles, sources told @CBSNews.

    Todd Arrington's departure came after sources say he resisted taking an original sword out of the Eisenhower library's collection to give to the king last month.

    Ultimately, West Point provided a faux version of Eisenhower's sword from the military academy.

    Four U.S. officials involved in the lavish royal visit were unaware that the library director had left his job, and said the White House played no role in his exit.

    https://x.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1973705793489834363

    The Americans are famous cheapskates in such things. Obama giving Brown (was it Brown?) a set of dvds from the White House gift shop that didn't even play in Region 1 was a particularly despicable example.
    Yes, I think the reciprocal gift was a pen made from.the wood of the Mary Rose.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,257
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Everyone’s becoming addicted to victimhood. Rachel Reeves who’s barely capable of influencing her hairdresser is apparently responsible for inciting a torrent of hatred towards Michelle and Doug.

    Which idiot ennobled this idiot?

    https://x.com/michellemone/status/1973115284803158026?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    She still calls herself Lady Michelle Mone?

    I do feel a little bit sorry for Michie and Dougie. They will uniquely carry the can for Boris Johnson's dodgy friends and family fast track grift.
    Well, her company is going to declare itself bankrupt and unable to repay even a smidgin of the £120,000,000 billion demand they’ve just been handed by the courts. Meanwhile the stolen money sits in Michelle’s (hubby’s) trust fund and what are the chances we taxpayers will ever get any of that back?
    Can the Proceeds of Crime Act apply?
    There’s a separate NCA investigation ongoing.
    It’s a very easy fraud case as Barrowman has already been caught using an English and IoM company with the same name to cover his backside.

    I suspect there is a conversation going on that goes pay the money back in full or you are both off for jail for a very long time based in a fraud trial that anyone can understand
    I’d like to think so but we’re not great at prosecuting fraud.

    However this from Dan Neidle was interesting. Mone posted on X the confidential settlement offer they made of £23 Million which was refused.

    https://x.com/danneidle/status/1973779885962187256?s=61
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,220

    The taste police might wonder if today is the day for discussing Nazi memorabilia.

    ...says the man without ANY Nazi memorabilia :wink:
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,684
    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Everyone’s becoming addicted to victimhood. Rachel Reeves who’s barely capable of influencing her hairdresser is apparently responsible for inciting a torrent of hatred towards Michelle and Doug.

    Which idiot ennobled this idiot?

    https://x.com/michellemone/status/1973115284803158026?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    She still calls herself Lady Michelle Mone?

    I do feel a little bit sorry for Michie and Dougie. They will uniquely carry the can for Boris Johnson's dodgy friends and family fast track grift.
    Well, her company is going to declare itself bankrupt and unable to repay even a smidgin of the £120,000,000 billion demand they’ve just been handed by the courts. Meanwhile the stolen money sits in Michelle’s (hubby’s) trust fund and what are the chances we taxpayers will ever get any of that back?
    Can the Proceeds of Crime Act apply?
    There’s a separate NCA investigation ongoing.
    It’s a very easy fraud case as Barrowman has already been caught using an English and IoM company with the same name to cover his backside.

    I suspect there is a conversation going on that goes pay the money back in full or you are both off for jail for a very long time based in a fraud trial that anyone can understand
    I’d like to think so but we’re not great at prosecuting fraud.

    However this from Dan Neidle was interesting. Mone posted on X the confidential settlement offer they made of £23 Million which was refused.

    https://x.com/danneidle/status/1973779885962187256?s=61
    That is very weird.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,820
    Alan Partidge back on T.V.

    How Are You, with Alan Partridge.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,684
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    Do you have any of his paintings?
    As if

    I'm just a nomal collector of antiques and artisanal crafts, and intriguing knick knacks, all I want is maybe a twenty foot wide commemorative plate with Hitler's face on it, or maybe a seventy eight ton block of Bohemian crystal carved into the shape of Himmler and studded with a thousand ruby swastikas, maybe for the balcony, or the shed. Just to brighten up the place

    Yet prices are nuts
    I have a tea towel with clause4 on it.
    I have a tea towel with my children's drawings of their own faces on it from their primary school.
    This only counts if any of their classmates were Nazis.
    I don't think @BartholomewRoberts kids go to Dulwich College.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,220
    edited October 2

    Police will let a pro-Palestine protest go ahead at a Manchester railway station just hours after a terror attack on a synagogue.

    The British Transport Police (BTP) said they are stepping up patrols after pro-Palestine activists began urging each other to descend on Manchester station at 5.30pm on Thursday.

    A force spokesman said BTP would “facilitate peaceful protest” but that officers would intervene if protesters tried to get inside the station.

    Social media posts urged pro-Palestine activists to “block the tracks” in protest against Israel’s arrest of Greta Thunberg.

    The protestors are really bad at reading the room, aren't they?
    Even in the best of times, stopping commuters getting home is not going to swing public opinion in your favour.

    (And again, appears to infer that Manchester has the slightest influence on Israel)
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,333
    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Everyone’s becoming addicted to victimhood. Rachel Reeves who’s barely capable of influencing her hairdresser is apparently responsible for inciting a torrent of hatred towards Michelle and Doug.

    Which idiot ennobled this idiot?

    https://x.com/michellemone/status/1973115284803158026?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    She still calls herself Lady Michelle Mone?

    I do feel a little bit sorry for Michie and Dougie. They will uniquely carry the can for Boris Johnson's dodgy friends and family fast track grift.
    Well, her company is going to declare itself bankrupt and unable to repay even a smidgin of the £120,000,000 billion demand they’ve just been handed by the courts. Meanwhile the stolen money sits in Michelle’s (hubby’s) trust fund and what are the chances we taxpayers will ever get any of that back?
    Can the Proceeds of Crime Act apply?
    There’s a separate NCA investigation ongoing.
    It’s a very easy fraud case as Barrowman has already been caught using an English and IoM company with the same name to cover his backside.

    I suspect there is a conversation going on that goes pay the money back in full or you are both off for jail for a very long time based in a fraud trial that anyone can understand
    I’d like to think so but we’re not great at prosecuting fraud.

    However this from Dan Neidle was interesting. Mone posted on X the confidential settlement offer they made of £23 Million which was refused.

    https://x.com/danneidle/status/1973779885962187256?s=61
    That is very weird.
    Where was the £23m to come from? It doesn't say.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,052
    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Everyone’s becoming addicted to victimhood. Rachel Reeves who’s barely capable of influencing her hairdresser is apparently responsible for inciting a torrent of hatred towards Michelle and Doug.

    Which idiot ennobled this idiot?

    https://x.com/michellemone/status/1973115284803158026?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    She still calls herself Lady Michelle Mone?

    I do feel a little bit sorry for Michie and Dougie. They will uniquely carry the can for Boris Johnson's dodgy friends and family fast track grift.
    Well, her company is going to declare itself bankrupt and unable to repay even a smidgin of the £120,000,000 billion demand they’ve just been handed by the courts. Meanwhile the stolen money sits in Michelle’s (hubby’s) trust fund and what are the chances we taxpayers will ever get any of that back?
    Can the Proceeds of Crime Act apply?
    There’s a separate NCA investigation ongoing.
    It’s a very easy fraud case as Barrowman has already been caught using an English and IoM company with the same name to cover his backside.

    I suspect there is a conversation going on that goes pay the money back in full or you are both off for jail for a very long time based in a fraud trial that anyone can understand
    I’d like to think so but we’re not great at prosecuting fraud.

    However this from Dan Neidle was interesting. Mone posted on X the confidential settlement offer they made of £23 Million which was refused.

    https://x.com/danneidle/status/1973779885962187256?s=61
    What an absolute bellend, Lady Mone, not you or Dan Neidle.

    WTF was she smoking when she posted that?

    Who the feck advised her to do that?

    Personally I reckon the government should but CIFAS markers on both of them, which means all their bank accounts get closed and they cannot open new ones for at least six years.

    An unexplained wealth order would be fun too.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,408
    edited October 2
    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    It was designed by the best.
    Interesting. My late father brought home a Nazi officers dagger which he "acquired" somehow while helping to clear Jutland of German munitions in 1945. I recall seeing it when he came home, but my mother wanted nothing to do with it. When he died in 1992 we found it while clearing out his desk; my mother again said she wanted it out PDQ and my son took it, saying he knew someone who collected these things.
    My son now says that his friend wants further details of the daggers 'provenance'. I suspect my father paid 50 cigarettes for it. Or something like that. Cigarettes were currency in just post-war Europe.

    Have we missed the chance of a small fortune?
    There’s a pretty big industry in fakes which interestingly began quite soon after the end of the war. One of the groups I follow on FB are onto anything slightly dodgy like enraged hawks - ‘fantasy piece’ is their favourite term of withering disdain. The closer something is to the horrible stuff (SS, concentration camps etc) the more valuable, though also the more likely to be ersatz.
    I might get into fake Khmer Rouge souvenirs

    Looking at eBay they have the biggest difference between intrinsic value as "things" and market value

    Cheap cotton Khmer Rouge caps go for £100
    Same with KL striped pyjamas which would have been of the cheapest quality going for 5 figures
    The Nazis are probably the closest thing we have to a great mythological epic of the modern age with the difference that it was verifiably real and we can touch the artefacts and walk the sites of this Iliad. Imagine being able to touch the armour of a lowly foot soldier of Troy let alone a piece of the wooden horse or Achilles’ spear. Similar vibe.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,030
    edited October 2
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    I have an Iron Cross somewhere. Sometimes I do wonder exactly how it was acquired.

    I expect they are quite common.
    Quick check: 5 million WW1, 4 million WW2.

    I'd have guessed a 10th of those numbers..
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,684

    Police will let a pro-Palestine protest go ahead at a Manchester railway station just hours after a terror attack on a synagogue.

    The British Transport Police (BTP) said they are stepping up patrols after pro-Palestine activists began urging each other to descend on Manchester station at 5.30pm on Thursday.

    A force spokesman said BTP would “facilitate peaceful protest” but that officers would intervene if protesters tried to get inside the station.

    Social media posts urged pro-Palestine activists to “block the tracks” in protest against Israel’s arrest of Greta Thunberg.

    The protestors are really bad at reading the room, aren't they?
    We're not dealing with the best and brightest here.
    Hamas weren't exactly bright on October 7th 2023. Arguably the most stupid terrorist attack in history,
    Sadly, the leaders of Hamas will regard the trade of Palestinians lives for greater hatred of Israel as a price well worth paying.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 795
    I have a Meghan and Harry wedding souvenir tea towel. Does that qualify as kitsch?
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,795

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    It was designed by the best.
    Interesting. My late father brought home a Nazi officers dagger which he "acquired" somehow while helping to clear Jutland of German munitions in 1945. I recall seeing it when he came home, but my mother wanted nothing to do with it. When he died in 1992 we found it while clearing out his desk; my mother again said she wanted it out PDQ and my son took it, saying he knew someone who collected these things.
    My son now says that his friend wants further details of the daggers 'provenance'. I suspect my father paid 50 cigarettes for it. Or something like that. Cigarettes were currency in just post-war Europe.

    Have we missed the chance of a small fortune?
    There’s a pretty big industry in fakes which interestingly began quite soon after the end of the war. One of the groups I follow on FB are onto anything slightly dodgy like enraged hawks - ‘fantasy piece’ is their favourite term of withering disdain. The closer something is to the horrible stuff (SS, concentration camps etc) the more valuable, though also the more likely to be ersatz.
    I might get into fake Khmer Rouge souvenirs

    Looking at eBay they have the biggest difference between intrinsic value as "things" and market value

    Cheap cotton Khmer Rouge caps go for £100
    Same with KL striped pyjamas which would have been of the cheapest quality going for 5 figures
    The Nazis are probably the closest thing we have to a great mythological epic of the modern age with the difference that it was verifiably real and we can touch the artefacts and walk the sites of this Iliad. Imagine being able to touch the armour of a lowly foot soldier of Troy let alone a piece of the wooden horse or Achilles’ spear. Similar vibe.
    Does anyone know if the Chinese are like this with the Japanese? Or if the Filipinos are?
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,257

    Alan Partidge back on T.V.

    How Are You, with Alan Partridge.

    All 6 released on IPlayer tomorrow.

    I found the last series of This Time dragged a little.

    I hope this is better, the trailer looks decent.

    A-Ha !!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,280
    SandraMc said:

    I have a Meghan and Harry wedding souvenir tea towel. Does that qualify as kitsch?

    Andy and Fergie merch is better.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,651
    tlg86 said:

    SandraMc said:

    I have a Meghan and Harry wedding souvenir tea towel. Does that qualify as kitsch?

    Andy and Fergie merch is better.
    I'm old enough to remember Chas and Di.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,684
    carnforth said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Everyone’s becoming addicted to victimhood. Rachel Reeves who’s barely capable of influencing her hairdresser is apparently responsible for inciting a torrent of hatred towards Michelle and Doug.

    Which idiot ennobled this idiot?

    https://x.com/michellemone/status/1973115284803158026?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    She still calls herself Lady Michelle Mone?

    I do feel a little bit sorry for Michie and Dougie. They will uniquely carry the can for Boris Johnson's dodgy friends and family fast track grift.
    Well, her company is going to declare itself bankrupt and unable to repay even a smidgin of the £120,000,000 billion demand they’ve just been handed by the courts. Meanwhile the stolen money sits in Michelle’s (hubby’s) trust fund and what are the chances we taxpayers will ever get any of that back?
    Can the Proceeds of Crime Act apply?
    There’s a separate NCA investigation ongoing.
    It’s a very easy fraud case as Barrowman has already been caught using an English and IoM company with the same name to cover his backside.

    I suspect there is a conversation going on that goes pay the money back in full or you are both off for jail for a very long time based in a fraud trial that anyone can understand
    I’d like to think so but we’re not great at prosecuting fraud.

    However this from Dan Neidle was interesting. Mone posted on X the confidential settlement offer they made of £23 Million which was refused.

    https://x.com/danneidle/status/1973779885962187256?s=61
    That is very weird.
    Where was the £23m to come from? It doesn't say.
    It does: it says it will come from the company's "backers". I.e., presumably those who extracted money via dividends.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,257
    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Everyone’s becoming addicted to victimhood. Rachel Reeves who’s barely capable of influencing her hairdresser is apparently responsible for inciting a torrent of hatred towards Michelle and Doug.

    Which idiot ennobled this idiot?

    https://x.com/michellemone/status/1973115284803158026?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    She still calls herself Lady Michelle Mone?

    I do feel a little bit sorry for Michie and Dougie. They will uniquely carry the can for Boris Johnson's dodgy friends and family fast track grift.
    Well, her company is going to declare itself bankrupt and unable to repay even a smidgin of the £120,000,000 billion demand they’ve just been handed by the courts. Meanwhile the stolen money sits in Michelle’s (hubby’s) trust fund and what are the chances we taxpayers will ever get any of that back?
    Can the Proceeds of Crime Act apply?
    There’s a separate NCA investigation ongoing.
    It’s a very easy fraud case as Barrowman has already been caught using an English and IoM company with the same name to cover his backside.

    I suspect there is a conversation going on that goes pay the money back in full or you are both off for jail for a very long time based in a fraud trial that anyone can understand
    I’d like to think so but we’re not great at prosecuting fraud.

    However this from Dan Neidle was interesting. Mone posted on X the confidential settlement offer they made of £23 Million which was refused.

    https://x.com/danneidle/status/1973779885962187256?s=61
    That is very weird.
    The way it’s worded is as if they are doing the govt a favour with this offer as the court case isn’t going well for the claimant !
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,168
    SandraMc said:

    I have a Meghan and Harry wedding souvenir tea towel. Does that qualify as kitsch?

    I think it travels in orbit around the planet of kitsch and back again.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,137
    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Selebian said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
    It's desperately inappropriate, but I can't get the rubber dinghy rapids line from Four Lions out of my head, reading this.

    ETA: Four Lions got to the stupidity of this. I feel mainly for the victims, of course. But the perpetrator, what a stupidly futile thing to do. It does bugger all for any cause.
    Same, the fact that Four Lions was set in Sheffield didn't help.

    Funny thing is, I knew a real life Barry, from London.

    He regularly used to chastise me for not being a good Muslim, the zeal of a convert is never good.

    Edit Chris Morris explained Barry was based on a real life guy who in the BNP who regularly used to attack Muslims, then he decided to learn the Quran so he could mock the Muslims he was assaulting but ended up converting himself.
    That's a very well observed comment, but in measure it is down to what you do with your new convert, and how carefully (using church language) they are "discipled", and encouraged to reflect on, develop, and live out their new values.

    One thing we British failed to address about for decades was the radicalising effect of support of Mosques and provision of Imams by the competing religious establishments of Iran and Saudi.

    The shoe bomber was a convert.

    Also in Trumpistan, some (I have not counted how many) of the senior people are also converts or radicalised as adults. Vance and Hegseth are two such.

    In this country the same applies to Danny Kruger, who was an adult convert at the time he met his wife.

    It does not mean that particular people will turn to violence, but it does mean they have a relatively narrow base, and may be more vulnerable to different kinds of radicalisation, and to reject things that they perceive as being associated with the former version of themselves.

    It speaks to the need of careful discipling of converts, and exposure to different views. That can only be voluntary of course, but needs to include a broadening, rather than a coaxing further down the rabbit hole for more thorough indoctrination.

    That is a human process which operates in any political, religious or ideological group, and is imo how a maturity of view is developed.
    I think it's mostly been Saudi Arabia rather than Iran, hasn't it?

    I can't think of any (UK) terrorists who have been Shia, basically all of them have been Sunni, and worshiped at Mosques funded by Saudi Arabia.
    I was referring to Mosques rather than terrorist acts.

    There are Iran-linked Mosques in the UK, and are / have been Khomeini inspired organisations such as the Islamic Human Rights Commission (IHRC) and Innovative Minds.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,817
    edited October 2
    IanB2 said:

    Leondoofus

    Anyhow, I need to take the dog for his nighttime walk around Pavia, so he can collect the replies to the Pmails he sent yesterday, down by the river.

    Sadly, this is just a replica bridge, as British bombers consigned the original, historic, one to rubble during the war, the foundations of which are occasionally just visible when the water level is low.

    My host tells me that in medieval times the river was the boundary between Italian city republics and whichever of France or Habsburg Spain/Austria was dominant at the time, such that people who now live south of the river sometimes claim they are more genuinely Italian than those in the city itself.



    How are you finding it? I must admit, I'd have considered Pavia more of a day's pass through as a tourist rather than spending a couple of days there and assumed you were passing through, but I spent a lot of time drinking rather than culture tourism to be fair.

    I was wondering if I could recommend anything, but tricky going off 30 year old reviews. Grotta dello Smeralda is still there, my regular Margherita by the meter place, about 20 minutes north of the centre in Città Giardino, though it looks like they don't get on with Deliveroo when I look at the reviews, but I loved the pizza. Plenty of good city centre options possibly more convenient for you though.

    Borgo Ticino looks closer to where you are - we used to go a riverside restaurant run by a recovering heroin addict, one of our group was his Neapolitan parole officer and they retained a love of large scale drinking, a shared extra bottle of two of proprietor's try outs was always on the cards and I loved the food to bits - he could even make polenta taste like manna. I don't know if ownership has changed over the years, he wasn't too much older than me, but Osteria della Malora looks to fit that bill, both in terms of location and the range of slightly cheffy but traditional fare on offer. If you do try it don't skip the antipasti.

    These are hazy memories, and 30 years old, so don't take these as firm.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,469

    Alan Partidge back on T.V.

    How Are You, with Alan Partridge.

    He's big in the back time
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,143
    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    Do you have any of his paintings?
    As if

    I'm just a nomal collector of antiques and artisanal crafts, and intriguing knick knacks, all I want is maybe a twenty foot wide commemorative plate with Hitler's face on it, or maybe a seventy eight ton block of Bohemian crystal carved into the shape of Himmler and studded with a thousand ruby swastikas, maybe for the balcony, or the shed. Just to brighten up the place

    Yet prices are nuts
    I have a tea towel with clause4 on it.
    I have a tea towel with my children's drawings of their own faces on it from their primary school.
    This only counts if any of their classmates were Nazis.
    I don't think @BartholomewRoberts kids go to Dulwich College.
    I should hope not – Dulwich is south of the river.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,137
    edited October 2
    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    You are at about £250+ for an Iron Cross, with a few options cheaper.

    https://london-medals.co.uk/search_results?page=1&sort_column=&sort_direction=&q=Iron Cross 1st Class

    I'd have thought you might prefer a Fairburn Sykes Fighting Knife. If I have it right they are surprisingly cheap for original ones at £200-300, but I'd want to check that carefully. You could open the fan mail with it.

    I have a family letter opener made from bits of a Spitfire.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,274
    CatMan said:

    Alan Partidge back on T.V.

    How Are You, with Alan Partridge.

    He's big in the back time
    Earlier this year I did a massive AP marathon. Started with the early segments on YouTube and went all the way through, including the audiobooks. I was too cheap to do the podcast.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,137
    Omnium said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    I have an Iron Cross somewhere. Sometimes I do wonder exactly how it was acquired.

    I expect they are quite common.
    Quick check: 5 million WW1, 4 million WW2.

    I'd have guessed a 10th of those numbers..
    I'm guessing that the valuable ones are from the Napoleonic Wars - only 300, unless they have a senior Nazi link.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,532
    moonshine said:

    CatMan said:

    Alan Partidge back on T.V.

    How Are You, with Alan Partridge.

    He's big in the back time
    Earlier this year I did a massive AP marathon. Started with the early segments on YouTube and went all the way through, including the audiobooks. I was too cheap to do the podcast.
    That's quite an AP thing to do.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,263
    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Everyone’s becoming addicted to victimhood. Rachel Reeves who’s barely capable of influencing her hairdresser is apparently responsible for inciting a torrent of hatred towards Michelle and Doug.

    Which idiot ennobled this idiot?

    https://x.com/michellemone/status/1973115284803158026?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    She still calls herself Lady Michelle Mone?

    I do feel a little bit sorry for Michie and Dougie. They will uniquely carry the can for Boris Johnson's dodgy friends and family fast track grift.
    Well, her company is going to declare itself bankrupt and unable to repay even a smidgin of the £120,000,000 billion demand they’ve just been handed by the courts. Meanwhile the stolen money sits in Michelle’s (hubby’s) trust fund and what are the chances we taxpayers will ever get any of that back?
    Can the Proceeds of Crime Act apply?
    Checks class status and political connections of accused - sorry, not suitable.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,333
    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Everyone’s becoming addicted to victimhood. Rachel Reeves who’s barely capable of influencing her hairdresser is apparently responsible for inciting a torrent of hatred towards Michelle and Doug.

    Which idiot ennobled this idiot?

    https://x.com/michellemone/status/1973115284803158026?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    She still calls herself Lady Michelle Mone?

    I do feel a little bit sorry for Michie and Dougie. They will uniquely carry the can for Boris Johnson's dodgy friends and family fast track grift.
    Well, her company is going to declare itself bankrupt and unable to repay even a smidgin of the £120,000,000 billion demand they’ve just been handed by the courts. Meanwhile the stolen money sits in Michelle’s (hubby’s) trust fund and what are the chances we taxpayers will ever get any of that back?
    Can the Proceeds of Crime Act apply?
    There’s a separate NCA investigation ongoing.
    It’s a very easy fraud case as Barrowman has already been caught using an English and IoM company with the same name to cover his backside.

    I suspect there is a conversation going on that goes pay the money back in full or you are both off for jail for a very long time based in a fraud trial that anyone can understand
    I’d like to think so but we’re not great at prosecuting fraud.

    However this from Dan Neidle was interesting. Mone posted on X the confidential settlement offer they made of £23 Million which was refused.

    https://x.com/danneidle/status/1973779885962187256?s=61
    That is very weird.
    Where was the £23m to come from? It doesn't say.
    It does: it says it will come from the company's "backers". I.e., presumably those who extracted money via dividends.
    Oh, I read that. It just seemed oddly vague.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,586
    Just watching Andy Burnham.

    He was the future once.

    For just a day.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,257
    moonshine said:

    CatMan said:

    Alan Partidge back on T.V.

    How Are You, with Alan Partridge.

    He's big in the back time
    Earlier this year I did a massive AP marathon. Started with the early segments on YouTube and went all the way through, including the audiobooks. I was too cheap to do the podcast.
    Lovely stuff.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,257

    Just watching Andy Burnham.

    He was the future once.

    For just a day.

    I thought Shabana Mahmood came over well.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,502

    Britain must defeat rising antisemitic hatred, Starmer says

    Britain is a country that has welcomed Jewish communities and has provided refuge and a home, he says.

    But Britain is also a country were Jewish buildings require round-the-clock protection and specialist security is necessary "because of the daily threat of antisemitic hatred", Starmer says.

    He says this is not a new hatred but one that is "rising once again" and Britain must "defeat it once again".

    Hmm, is he suggesting that importing an unreformed and unrepentant Muslim community and allowing it to radicalise our domestic youth on the basis that doing otherwise was racist and contrary to the fine principles of multiculturalism was a suboptimal policy?

    Given his electoral base I rather think not.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,044
    Pro_Rata said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leondoofus

    Anyhow, I need to take the dog for his nighttime walk around Pavia, so he can collect the replies to the Pmails he sent yesterday, down by the river.

    Sadly, this is just a replica bridge, as British bombers consigned the original, historic, one to rubble during the war, the foundations of which are occasionally just visible when the water level is low.

    My host tells me that in medieval times the river was the boundary between Italian city republics and whichever of France or Habsburg Spain/Austria was dominant at the time, such that people who now live south of the river sometimes claim they are more genuinely Italian than those in the city itself.



    How are you finding it? I must admit, I'd have considered Pavia more of a day's pass through as a tourist rather than spending a couple of days there and assumed you were passing through, but I spent a lot of time drinking rather than culture tourism to be fair.

    I was wondering if I could recommend anything, but tricky going off 30 year old reviews. Grotta dello Smeralda is still there, my regular Margherita by the meter place, about 20 minutes north of the centre in Città Giardino, though it looks like they don't get on with Deliveroo when I look at the reviews, but I loved the pizza. Plenty of good city centre options possibly more convenient for you though.

    Borgo Ticino looks closer to where you are - we used to go a riverside restaurant run by a recovering heroin addict, one of our group was his Neapolitan parole officer and they retained a love of large scale drinking, a shared extra bottle of two of proprietor's try outs was always on the cards and I loved the food to bits - he could even make polenta taste like manna. I don't know if ownership has changed over the years, he wasn't too much older than me, but Osteria della Malora looks to fit that bill, both in terms of location and the range of slightly cheffy but traditional fare on offer. If you do try it don't skip the antipasti.

    These are hazy memories, and 30 years old, so don't take these as firm.
    I’m here for four nights, three days. We’re actually on the north side of the city, but me and the dog can put in our steps when we both get going. This first day, this morning I took the dog for a wander round the castle, and then facciamo quattro passi around the daily market and streets nearby. For lunch we headed for the enoteca of a Sicilian guy, who used to own a vineyard in Sicily but now runs the bar/restaurant here in Pavia, who was recommended to me as a university friend of the Locanda owner we always stay with in Valtellina. An excellent lunch was had.

    For the afternoon I left the dog for a while and went to see the exhibition of the famous Belgian tapestries celebrating the battle of Pavia in 1525, temporarily on loan from capodemonte in Naples. Seriously impressive. Depicts a battle that represented the transition between medieval and early modern combat, when heavily armoured French cavalry were mown down by the early arquebus firearms used by the Spanish.

    This evening my quiet dog walk around the sleepy backstreets of medieval Pavia got more interesting when we turned a corner and found ourselves the rearguard of today’s pro-Gaza March, which wound its way towards one of the town’s squares where they/we gathered for some passionate speechmaking while four polizia locale sleepily looked on (I later noticed they had another four tucked away in cars down a side street, just in case). This is the third Italian small city/large town where there’s been some sort of Gaza protest almost daily - are the centres of British towns so energised?
  • eekeek Posts: 31,427
    edited October 2

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Everyone’s becoming addicted to victimhood. Rachel Reeves who’s barely capable of influencing her hairdresser is apparently responsible for inciting a torrent of hatred towards Michelle and Doug.

    Which idiot ennobled this idiot?

    https://x.com/michellemone/status/1973115284803158026?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    She still calls herself Lady Michelle Mone?

    I do feel a little bit sorry for Michie and Dougie. They will uniquely carry the can for Boris Johnson's dodgy friends and family fast track grift.
    Well, her company is going to declare itself bankrupt and unable to repay even a smidgin of the £120,000,000 billion demand they’ve just been handed by the courts. Meanwhile the stolen money sits in Michelle’s (hubby’s) trust fund and what are the chances we taxpayers will ever get any of that back?
    Can the Proceeds of Crime Act apply?
    There’s a separate NCA investigation ongoing.
    It’s a very easy fraud case as Barrowman has already been caught using an English and IoM company with the same name to cover his backside.

    I suspect there is a conversation going on that goes pay the money back in full or you are both off for jail for a very long time based in a fraud trial that anyone can understand
    IANAL but I don’t believe any fraud case is ‘easy’.
    2 companies - 1 uk based, 1 IoM based, you think you are paying the uk based one but the bank details are for the IoM one. And IoM branches had UK sort codes

    That was the level of detail in the fraud not sophisticated but enough to trick an agency into paying a different entity to the one expected
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,502

    Police will let a pro-Palestine protest go ahead at a Manchester railway station just hours after a terror attack on a synagogue.

    The British Transport Police (BTP) said they are stepping up patrols after pro-Palestine activists began urging each other to descend on Manchester station at 5.30pm on Thursday.

    A force spokesman said BTP would “facilitate peaceful protest” but that officers would intervene if protesters tried to get inside the station.

    Social media posts urged pro-Palestine activists to “block the tracks” in protest against Israel’s arrest of Greta Thunberg.

    The protestors are really bad at reading the room, aren't they?
    We're not dealing with the best and brightest here.
    Hamas weren't exactly bright on October 7th 2023. Arguably the most stupid terrorist attack in history,
    9/11 has entered the chat.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,684
    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Selebian said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
    It's desperately inappropriate, but I can't get the rubber dinghy rapids line from Four Lions out of my head, reading this.

    ETA: Four Lions got to the stupidity of this. I feel mainly for the victims, of course. But the perpetrator, what a stupidly futile thing to do. It does bugger all for any cause.
    Same, the fact that Four Lions was set in Sheffield didn't help.

    Funny thing is, I knew a real life Barry, from London.

    He regularly used to chastise me for not being a good Muslim, the zeal of a convert is never good.

    Edit Chris Morris explained Barry was based on a real life guy who in the BNP who regularly used to attack Muslims, then he decided to learn the Quran so he could mock the Muslims he was assaulting but ended up converting himself.
    That's a very well observed comment, but in measure it is down to what you do with your new convert, and how carefully (using church language) they are "discipled", and encouraged to reflect on, develop, and live out their new values.

    One thing we British failed to address about for decades was the radicalising effect of support of Mosques and provision of Imams by the competing religious establishments of Iran and Saudi.

    The shoe bomber was a convert.

    Also in Trumpistan, some (I have not counted how many) of the senior people are also converts or radicalised as adults. Vance and Hegseth are two such.

    In this country the same applies to Danny Kruger, who was an adult convert at the time he met his wife.

    It does not mean that particular people will turn to violence, but it does mean they have a relatively narrow base, and may be more vulnerable to different kinds of radicalisation, and to reject things that they perceive as being associated with the former version of themselves.

    It speaks to the need of careful discipling of converts, and exposure to different views. That can only be voluntary of course, but needs to include a broadening, rather than a coaxing further down the rabbit hole for more thorough indoctrination.

    That is a human process which operates in any political, religious or ideological group, and is imo how a maturity of view is developed.
    I think it's mostly been Saudi Arabia rather than Iran, hasn't it?

    I can't think of any (UK) terrorists who have been Shia, basically all of them have been Sunni, and worshiped at Mosques funded by Saudi Arabia.
    I was referring to Mosques rather than terrorist acts.

    There are Iran-linked Mosques in the UK, and are / have been Khomeini inspired organisations such as the Islamic Human Rights Commission (IHRC) and Innovative Minds.
    There are, but I think there's an important line between "gets money from abroad" which would also catch a lot of synagogues, the Catholic Church, Hare Krishnas, etc., and "promotes radicalization and terrorism".

    The Wahabbi funded mosques fall on the wrong side of the line. I'm not sure if the IHRC does.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,587
    The wonderfully named Danish tax authority, the Skatteforvaltningen have just had judgment in the longest ever case in the English Commercial Court. It went on a year. Their solicitors, Pinsent Mason, instructed 13 barristers. They lost.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,502
    Taz said:

    Just watching Andy Burnham.

    He was the future once.

    For just a day.

    I thought Shabana Mahmood came over well.
    She has seriously impressed since made Home Sec. if she wasn’t a woman in the Labour Party she would be a good bet for next leader.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,502
    algarkirk said:

    The wonderfully named Danish tax authority, the Skatteforvaltningen have just had judgment in the longest ever case in the English Commercial Court. It went on a year. Their solicitors, Pinsent Mason, instructed 13 barristers. They lost.

    Unlucky perhaps.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,650
    IanB2 said:

    Leondoofus

    Anyhow, I need to take the dog for his nighttime walk around Pavia, so he can collect the replies to the Pmails he sent yesterday, down by the river.

    Sadly, this is just a replica bridge, as British bombers consigned the original, historic, one to rubble during the war, the foundations of which are occasionally just visible when the water level is low.

    My host tells me that in medieval times the river was the boundary between Italian city republics and whichever of France or Habsburg Spain/Austria was dominant at the time, such that people who now live south of the river sometimes claim they are more genuinely Italian than those in the city itself.



    On the subject of troubled waters, if you want to do something out of the ordinary while in Pavia, there is the Po crossing just down from Orio Litta at Corte Sant Andrea. It's on the route from Canterbury to Rome (Via Francigena) that crosses the Po there. A local guy called Danilo Parisi (google the name) has been transferring walkers/pilgrims for 20 years. Some people will have walked about 1300km just to get to that point so it might be worth seeing.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,096
    DavidL said:

    Police will let a pro-Palestine protest go ahead at a Manchester railway station just hours after a terror attack on a synagogue.

    The British Transport Police (BTP) said they are stepping up patrols after pro-Palestine activists began urging each other to descend on Manchester station at 5.30pm on Thursday.

    A force spokesman said BTP would “facilitate peaceful protest” but that officers would intervene if protesters tried to get inside the station.

    Social media posts urged pro-Palestine activists to “block the tracks” in protest against Israel’s arrest of Greta Thunberg.

    The protestors are really bad at reading the room, aren't they?
    We're not dealing with the best and brightest here.
    Hamas weren't exactly bright on October 7th 2023. Arguably the most stupid terrorist attack in history,
    9/11 has entered the chat.
    Why? The Taliban regained control of Afghanistan a few years back.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,532
    DavidL said:

    Taz said:

    Just watching Andy Burnham.

    He was the future once.

    For just a day.

    I thought Shabana Mahmood came over well.
    She has seriously impressed since made Home Sec. if she wasn’t a woman in the Labour Party she would be a good bet for next leader.
    Her v Streeting imo if Starmer goes.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,257
    1, 2, 3, you’re back in the room.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,280

    DavidL said:

    Police will let a pro-Palestine protest go ahead at a Manchester railway station just hours after a terror attack on a synagogue.

    The British Transport Police (BTP) said they are stepping up patrols after pro-Palestine activists began urging each other to descend on Manchester station at 5.30pm on Thursday.

    A force spokesman said BTP would “facilitate peaceful protest” but that officers would intervene if protesters tried to get inside the station.

    Social media posts urged pro-Palestine activists to “block the tracks” in protest against Israel’s arrest of Greta Thunberg.

    The protestors are really bad at reading the room, aren't they?
    We're not dealing with the best and brightest here.
    Hamas weren't exactly bright on October 7th 2023. Arguably the most stupid terrorist attack in history,
    9/11 has entered the chat.
    Why? The Taliban regained control of Afghanistan a few years back.
    The Taliban didn't perpetrate 9/11.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,096
    Cookie said:

    The taste police might wonder if today is the day for discussing Nazi memorabilia.

    ...says the man without ANY Nazi memorabilia :wink:
    I think the only Airfix of a German aircraft I built was the He 170, which technically was in Hungarian service only. I also had an Italeri pocket battleship Lutzow.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,109
    The country is going to be set on fire thanks to the identity of the synagogue terrorist
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,109

    Cookie said:

    The taste police might wonder if today is the day for discussing Nazi memorabilia.

    ...says the man without ANY Nazi memorabilia :wink:
    I think the only Airfix of a German aircraft I built was the He 170, which technically was in Hungarian service only. I also had an Italeri pocket battleship Lutzow.
    I sell Lego-compatible WWII sets. Including ze Germans…
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,096
    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Everyone’s becoming addicted to victimhood. Rachel Reeves who’s barely capable of influencing her hairdresser is apparently responsible for inciting a torrent of hatred towards Michelle and Doug.

    Which idiot ennobled this idiot?

    https://x.com/michellemone/status/1973115284803158026?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    She still calls herself Lady Michelle Mone?

    I do feel a little bit sorry for Michie and Dougie. They will uniquely carry the can for Boris Johnson's dodgy friends and family fast track grift.
    Well, her company is going to declare itself bankrupt and unable to repay even a smidgin of the £120,000,000 billion demand they’ve just been handed by the courts. Meanwhile the stolen money sits in Michelle’s (hubby’s) trust fund and what are the chances we taxpayers will ever get any of that back?
    Can the Proceeds of Crime Act apply?
    There’s a separate NCA investigation ongoing.
    It’s a very easy fraud case as Barrowman has already been caught using an English and IoM company with the same name to cover his backside.

    I suspect there is a conversation going on that goes pay the money back in full or you are both off for jail for a very long time based in a fraud trial that anyone can understand
    I’d like to think so but we’re not great at prosecuting fraud.

    However this from Dan Neidle was interesting. Mone posted on X the confidential settlement offer they made of £23 Million which was refused.

    https://x.com/danneidle/status/1973779885962187256?s=61
    That is very weird.
    And the implied threat at the end may come back to bite her
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,096
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    I have an Iron Cross somewhere. Sometimes I do wonder exactly how it was acquired.

    I expect they are quite common.
    Quick check: 5 million WW1, 4 million WW2.
    "I'm sick and tired of Iron Crosses!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnNZN7lEj6g
  • The country is going to be set on fire thanks to the identity of the synagogue terrorist

    I doubt it, thanks to the identity of the victims.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,109

    The country is going to be set on fire thanks to the identity of the synagogue terrorist

    I doubt it, thanks to the identity of the victims.
    If you are a Muslim-hating moron why would you care who the victims were? The point is that the perp was a Muslim terrorist and have not all the plastic patriots said that Muslims are terrorists?
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,491

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Everyone’s becoming addicted to victimhood. Rachel Reeves who’s barely capable of influencing her hairdresser is apparently responsible for inciting a torrent of hatred towards Michelle and Doug.

    Which idiot ennobled this idiot?

    https://x.com/michellemone/status/1973115284803158026?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    She still calls herself Lady Michelle Mone?

    I do feel a little bit sorry for Michie and Dougie. They will uniquely carry the can for Boris Johnson's dodgy friends and family fast track grift.
    Well, her company is going to declare itself bankrupt and unable to repay even a smidgin of the £120,000,000 billion demand they’ve just been handed by the courts. Meanwhile the stolen money sits in Michelle’s (hubby’s) trust fund and what are the chances we taxpayers will ever get any of that back?
    Can the Proceeds of Crime Act apply?
    There’s a separate NCA investigation ongoing.
    It’s a very easy fraud case as Barrowman has already been caught using an English and IoM company with the same name to cover his backside.

    I suspect there is a conversation going on that goes pay the money back in full or you are both off for jail for a very long time based in a fraud trial that anyone can understand
    I’d like to think so but we’re not great at prosecuting fraud.

    However this from Dan Neidle was interesting. Mone posted on X the confidential settlement offer they made of £23 Million which was refused.

    https://x.com/danneidle/status/1973779885962187256?s=61
    What an absolute bellend, Lady Mone, not you or Dan Neidle.

    WTF was she smoking when she posted that?

    Who the feck advised her to do that?

    Personally I reckon the government should but CIFAS markers on both of them, which means all their bank accounts get closed and they cannot open new ones for at least six years.

    An unexplained wealth order would be fun too.
    Not a lawyer, but can we make it easier for company limited liability to be waived where there has been criminal activity?

    I feel like there's a whole bunch of scammers and fraudsters in this country who hide behind shell companies and do it over and over again.

    And if it's offshore and out of reach or authorities then chuck them in prison for 5 years or so.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,064

    The country is going to be set on fire thanks to the identity of the synagogue terrorist

    Have GMP disclosed it?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,333
    Nice long read on the Octopus invasion from the New York Times:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/29/world/europe/octopus-invasion-england-uk.html

    I'm sure this must have been in the national press but I missed it.

    (The comments seem to mostly from people who've seen a mawkish documentary and want to show off, but the article is good.)
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,280

    The country is going to be set on fire thanks to the identity of the synagogue terrorist

    I doubt it, thanks to the identity of the victims.
    If you are a Muslim-hating moron why would you care who the victims were? The point is that the perp was a Muslim terrorist and have not all the plastic patriots said that Muslims are terrorists?
    It's October. And Bart is right. This isn't to justify what happened last summer, but children being murdered is what gets people going.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,109
    AnneJGP said:

    The country is going to be set on fire thanks to the identity of the synagogue terrorist

    Have GMP disclosed it?
    Well no. But he’s been all over mainstream media. Sadly.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,776
    This is AFTER the Manchester attack

    My God, I hate these people

    "Liverpool Street right now, it’s grim to be a Jew in the UK. I’m absolutely sick , the police is here doing nothing while people chant ‘from the river to the sea’ and glorifying violence.

    Prime Minister, you are responsible"

    https://x.com/TalOfer/status/1973812205889208589
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,280
    Leon said:

    This is AFTER the Manchester attack

    My God, I hate these people

    "Liverpool Street right now, it’s grim to be a Jew in the UK. I’m absolutely sick , the police is here doing nothing while people chant ‘from the river to the sea’ and glorifying violence.

    Prime Minister, you are responsible"

    https://x.com/TalOfer/status/1973812205889208589

    The irony of RP trying to whip up fear of the far right is that it's the pro-Palestine lot that are more likely to feel empowered to kick off because of this.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,871

    The country is going to be set on fire thanks to the identity of the synagogue terrorist

    Wrong time of year, wrong type of victim. Sadly the authorities will just shrug and continue to allow the Gaza mob to continue their thuggery under the thinly veiled guise of "anti-zionism".
  • rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Fascist memorabiia so annoyingly expensive?

    Supply and demand?
    I guess

    Nazi memorabila is insanely pricey

    At a time when you can buy exquisite Regency furniture, Georgian glassware, 150 year old handpainted Wedgwood, etc etc, for mere pennies, anything with even half a Hitler on it is about £3000000. Frustrating for us arts-and-crafts-lovers
    Do you have any of his paintings?
    As if

    I'm just a nomal collector of antiques and artisanal crafts, and intriguing knick knacks, all I want is maybe a twenty foot wide commemorative plate with Hitler's face on it, or maybe a seventy eight ton block of Bohemian crystal carved into the shape of Himmler and studded with a thousand ruby swastikas, maybe for the balcony, or the shed. Just to brighten up the place

    Yet prices are nuts
    I have a tea towel with clause4 on it.
    I have a tea towel with my children's drawings of their own faces on it from their primary school.
    This only counts if any of their classmates were Nazis.
    I don't think @BartholomewRoberts kids go to Dulwich College.
    I should hope not – Dulwich is south of the river.
    I don't discriminate, some of my friends are south of the Mersey.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,998
    moonshine said:

    CatMan said:

    Alan Partidge back on T.V.

    How Are You, with Alan Partridge.

    He's big in the back time
    Earlier this year I did a massive AP marathon. Started with the early segments on YouTube and went all the way through, including the audiobooks. I was too cheap to do the podcast.
    Yes. But did you dance in your pants to Gary Numan whilst miming a guitar?
  • tlg86 said:

    Leon said:

    This is AFTER the Manchester attack

    My God, I hate these people

    "Liverpool Street right now, it’s grim to be a Jew in the UK. I’m absolutely sick , the police is here doing nothing while people chant ‘from the river to the sea’ and glorifying violence.

    Prime Minister, you are responsible"

    https://x.com/TalOfer/status/1973812205889208589

    The irony of RP trying to whip up fear of the far right is that it's the pro-Palestine lot that are more likely to feel empowered to kick off because of this.
    Regrettably, that lot perpetually feel entitled and empowered.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,776
    edited October 2
    Daily Mail confirms he's an Islamist, and he apparently shouted Allahu Akhbar before the attack

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15157191/Suicide-belt-Manchester-attacker-Islamist-terrorist.html

    We must grasp the nettle. Voting Reform might not even be enough
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,109
    tlg86 said:

    Leon said:

    This is AFTER the Manchester attack

    My God, I hate these people

    "Liverpool Street right now, it’s grim to be a Jew in the UK. I’m absolutely sick , the police is here doing nothing while people chant ‘from the river to the sea’ and glorifying violence.

    Prime Minister, you are responsible"

    https://x.com/TalOfer/status/1973812205889208589

    The irony of RP trying to whip up fear of the far right is that it's the pro-Palestine lot that are more likely to feel empowered to kick off because of this.
    Trying to whip up the fear of the far right? Give over.

    Though you accept the plastic patriots are the far right, which is a start..

    As for the Palestine protestors, just stop it.
  • AnneJGP said:

    The country is going to be set on fire thanks to the identity of the synagogue terrorist

    Have GMP disclosed it?
    If it's anyone who arrived here illegally, on a small boat or is a Boris arrival then god help us all. This weekend is going to be very tense.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,776
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    This is AFTER the Manchester attack

    My God, I hate these people

    "Liverpool Street right now, it’s grim to be a Jew in the UK. I’m absolutely sick , the police is here doing nothing while people chant ‘from the river to the sea’ and glorifying violence.

    Prime Minister, you are responsible"

    https://x.com/TalOfer/status/1973812205889208589

    As with the Charlie Kirk assassination it's the glee at which the hard left has greeted this terrorist attack that is truly disgusting. A crazy terrorist is a sad fact of our society given the kind of immigration we've had into the country from the Islamic world, the apparent glee at the murder of these innocent people by the Gaza mob really shows what they're about.

    We should never have tolerated their presence on our streets in the first place. Trump had it right, all of the foreign agitators should be deported and the rest should start to face consequences for glorifying terrorists and calling for violence against Jews.
    Yep, they've all got to go
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,783
    Test
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,052
    viewcode said:

    moonshine said:

    CatMan said:

    Alan Partidge back on T.V.

    How Are You, with Alan Partridge.

    He's big in the back time
    Earlier this year I did a massive AP marathon. Started with the early segments on YouTube and went all the way through, including the audiobooks. I was too cheap to do the podcast.
    Yes. But did you dance in your pants to Gary Numan whilst miming a guitar?
    In case you missed it on the previous threads, I posted some replies and an image about Star Trek fan/slash fic.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5339385#Comment_5339385

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5339406/#Comment_5339406
  • Cyclefree said:

    Test

    The first one isn't until near the end of next month.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,651

    viewcode said:

    moonshine said:

    CatMan said:

    Alan Partidge back on T.V.

    How Are You, with Alan Partridge.

    He's big in the back time
    Earlier this year I did a massive AP marathon. Started with the early segments on YouTube and went all the way through, including the audiobooks. I was too cheap to do the podcast.
    Yes. But did you dance in your pants to Gary Numan whilst miming a guitar?
    In case you missed it on the previous threads, I posted some replies and an image about Star Trek fan/slash fic.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5339385#Comment_5339385

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5339406/#Comment_5339406
    AIUI the slash refers to the \ not anything more cutting.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,795

    AnneJGP said:

    The country is going to be set on fire thanks to the identity of the synagogue terrorist

    Have GMP disclosed it?
    If it's anyone who arrived here illegally, on a small boat or is a Boris arrival then god help us all. This weekend is going to be very tense.
    Fortunately we have the rump of a hurricane rolling in.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,257
    Just seen a newsflash, Visa to open Visa direct to Stablecoins.

    What on earth does that even mean !
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,871
    Leon said:

    Daily Mail confirms he's an Islamist, and he apparently shouted Allahu Akhbar before the attack

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15157191/Suicide-belt-Manchester-attacker-Islamist-terrorist.html

    We must grasp the nettle. Voting Reform might not even be enough

    I mean one look at the guy from the pictures made it obvious that he was a jihadi.

    I'm honestly not sure what can be done, as @isam has said many times before, we're well past the point of no return for Islam in the UK. We're now at the point where political movements are being fuelled by Islamic parties and voters. The worry has always been that even "moderate" Muslims support violence against non Muslims at some level, very few are against all forms of violence towards infidels and blasphemers. I honestly don't know how to square the circle.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,730
    Leon said:

    Daily Mail confirms he's an Islamist, and he apparently shouted Allahu Akhbar before the attack

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15157191/Suicide-belt-Manchester-attacker-Islamist-terrorist.html

    We must grasp the nettle. Voting Reform might not even be enough

    Oh God. You are going to be insufferably over excited at discovering the petp was an Islamist terrorist. Did it come as a complete surprise to you after seeing the video and photos at lunchtime?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,432
    Taz said:

    Alan Partidge back on T.V.

    How Are You, with Alan Partridge.

    All 6 released on IPlayer tomorrow.

    I found the last series of This Time dragged a little.

    I hope this is better, the trailer looks decent.

    A-Ha !!
    I've really enjoyed the Audible 'podcast' series he's done as Alan. Very much suits the audio format (the very first 'From the Oasthouse' series took an episode or two to find it's feet as I remember). In years gone by it would have been on Radio 4.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=Alan+Partridge&i=audible

  • kinabalu said:

    moonshine said:

    CatMan said:

    Alan Partidge back on T.V.

    How Are You, with Alan Partridge.

    He's big in the back time
    Earlier this year I did a massive AP marathon. Started with the early segments on YouTube and went all the way through, including the audiobooks. I was too cheap to do the podcast.
    That's quite an AP thing to do.
    Textbook
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,306
    Leon said:

    This is AFTER the Manchester attack

    My God, I hate these people

    "Liverpool Street right now, it’s grim to be a Jew in the UK. I’m absolutely sick , the police is here doing nothing while people chant ‘from the river to the sea’ and glorifying violence.

    Prime Minister, you are responsible"

    https://x.com/TalOfer/status/1973812205889208589

    Surely, as a rightie, you believe that is covered by freedom of speech
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,263
    Taz said:

    Just seen a newsflash, Visa to open Visa direct to Stablecoins.

    What on earth does that even mean !

    It means buy gold.

  • TazTaz Posts: 21,257

    AnneJGP said:

    The country is going to be set on fire thanks to the identity of the synagogue terrorist

    Have GMP disclosed it?
    If it's anyone who arrived here illegally, on a small boat or is a Boris arrival then god help us all. This weekend is going to be very tense.
    We’ve got Amy coming in to keep us all indoors.
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