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  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,801
    Scott_xP said:

    @georgewbarros

    The Kremlin is negatively reacting to the US proposal that Ukraine receive "Article V-like" security guarantees.

    Russian Foreign Ministry "categorically rejects" NATO countries sending a military contingents to Ukraine.

    https://x.com/georgewbarros/status/1957525001739141290

    When the Russians "categorically reject" something you just know it's an excellent idea.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,582
    Scott_xP said:

    She found them !!

    @washingtonpost

    Breaking news: The Justice Department will begin sharing records related to deceased sex offender Jeffrey Epstein on Friday, the House Oversight Committee chairman said in a statement.

    Blimey! What a lot of Democrats, and oh my God, what a turn up, Trump doesn't appear once.

    Well I wasn't expecting that!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,568
    edited August 18

    Best for Britain
    @BestForBritain

    Did you spot JD Vance in thew background HATING every minute of progress being made? ~AA

    https://x.com/BestForBritain/status/1957523924872491247

    How’s about people support international diplomacy aimed at ending a war, rather than doing their best to keep absolutely everything polarised?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,356
    The phrase "land swap" is being used to mean "Ukraine concedes land illegally occupied by Russia and also concedes territory that is not even occupied." That is not a swap.
    https://x.com/TimothyDSnyder/status/1957170932448928179
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,648
    Optimistic take, but you never know...

    @bopanc

    Trump is set to pledge a US military presence in Ukraine as part of a larger western contingent. Finland and Sweden joined
    @NATO
    Things once unthinkable come to pass. Putin the strategic genius achieved this in exchange for Ukrainian territory he turned into wasteland
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,401

    Phillips P. OBrien
    @PhillipsPOBrien
    ·
    47m
    The most interesting thing to come out of today is Trump's incessant whining about the pro-Ukraine and anti-Putin political pressure he is getting. It clearly irritates him, but its also something he seems to be thinking about alot.

    https://x.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1957533940706865583
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,238
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  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,791
    Scott_xP said:

    Optimistic take, but you never know...

    @bopanc

    Trump is set to pledge a US military presence in Ukraine as part of a larger western contingent. Finland and Sweden joined
    @NATO
    Things once unthinkable come to pass. Putin the strategic genius achieved this in exchange for Ukrainian territory he turned into wasteland

    The only way a security guarantee holds is if Russia seriously believes breaching it will lead to WWIII. I fear things are too equivocal for them to be scared of that. In time as European capabilities ramp up, maybe.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,699
    Sandpit said:

    Best for Britain
    @BestForBritain

    Did you spot JD Vance in thew background HATING every minute of progress being made? ~AA

    https://x.com/BestForBritain/status/1957523924872491247

    How’s about people support international diplomacy aimed at ending a war, rather than doing their best to keep absolutely everything polarised?
    Do you support Trump's plan? Ukraine gives up the territory Russia occupies, and some more territory on top. Ukraine can't join NATO.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,641
    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    Ozempic Vulva, making women look a little droopy apparently.

    https://x.com/nypost/status/1957511959458287970?s=61

    There's a plastic surgeon in Beverly Hills who will sell you a solution to that problem.
    It's a booming area in plastic surgery worldwide.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10434981/#:~:text=In the United States, for,a 36% increase from 2020.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,791


    Phillips P. OBrien
    @PhillipsPOBrien
    ·
    47m
    The most interesting thing to come out of today is Trump's incessant whining about the pro-Ukraine and anti-Putin political pressure he is getting. It clearly irritates him, but its also something he seems to be thinking about alot.

    https://x.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1957533940706865583

    He’s a bit like that unpopular kid at school who wants to be liked. He gets his fun day out with the cool kids (Putin) who he doesn’t realise walk all over him and laugh behind his back, then has to come home and listen to his eminently sensible parents sit him down and explain why he needs to be careful about getting involved with the wrong crowd.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,401
    Leon said:

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    Zaouli?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,568

    Sandpit said:

    Best for Britain
    @BestForBritain

    Did you spot JD Vance in thew background HATING every minute of progress being made? ~AA

    https://x.com/BestForBritain/status/1957523924872491247

    How’s about people support international diplomacy aimed at ending a war, rather than doing their best to keep absolutely everything polarised?
    Do you support Trump's plan? Ukraine gives up the territory Russia occupies, and some more territory on top. Ukraine can't join NATO.
    No of course not.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,238

    Leon said:

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    Zaouli?
    Good start. Right continent
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,887
    edited August 18
    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,568
    That broken oil pipeline.

    Well it’s properly broken.

    https://x.com/tendar/status/1957540968737173728

    The situation of the Druzhba pipeline is actually far worse. Last night NASA FIRMS confirmed that the hub and pump station in Novonikolske, Tambov region, in Russia was burning. Satellite pictures show that large parts of the facility are completely destroyed.

    Together with the successful strikes against two Druzhba pump stations in the Bryansk region it is obvious that the entire Druzhba pipeline from the Tambov region in Russia all the way to the west is rendered inoperative for quite some time.

    The operation was conducted by the Ukrainian 14th UAV regiment.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,887
    edited August 18
    I have been very busy all day, so what has happened with Trump and big Z meeting with the European leaders hovering around in the background? Anything positive?
  • isamisam Posts: 42,328
    Jenrick’s boasts of procuring hotels fur asylum seekers to stay in whilst immigration minister must surely make him less likely to be next Tory leader than before the clips were released. Farage & Labour are all over it. Lay the 2.54?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,284

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    However, some other nominated authors asked to be removed from the longlist, objecting to an article Boyne wrote defending JK Rowling's stance on trans issues and women's rights. More than 800 figures in the publishing industry also signed an open letter criticising his nomination

    Seems a bit extreme. Is the publishing industry particularly sensitive on these issues for some reason?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,902

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    Some bang on about ‘woke’ not having a definition. One feature for me is often how intolerant the most ‘woke’ are to people who disagree with them.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,284
    isam said:

    Jenrick’s boasts of procuring hotels fur asylum seekers to stay in whilst immigration minister must surely make him less likely to be next Tory leader than before the clips were released. Farage & Labour are all over it. Lay the 2.54?

    Whilst he's slick and seemingly intelligent he's always been a political chameleon, so I've never really understood why he was such a darling of Reform-leaning Tories, and find it hard to predict whether they would now turn on him fully.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,284


    Phillips P. OBrien
    @PhillipsPOBrien
    ·
    47m
    The most interesting thing to come out of today is Trump's incessant whining about the pro-Ukraine and anti-Putin political pressure he is getting. It clearly irritates him, but its also something he seems to be thinking about alot.

    https://x.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1957533940706865583

    He's managed to turn a lot of formerly pro-Ukrainian americans into anti-Ukrainians - because unfortunately he is a powerful political leader who can sway representatives and regular people - but there is at least still some pressure on him to work for a deal they can live with, rather than just cut a deal with Putin and call it a day. I imagine he'll get to something, it is just taking more effort than he wanted.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,449

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    Some bang on about ‘woke’ not having a definition. One feature for me is often how intolerant the most ‘woke’ are to people who disagree with them.
    Just as John Coyne has the right to be a TERF (and that's what he calls himself) then people who don't like TERFs have the right to refuse to share a platform with him. You can't be a freedom of speech defender and seek to restrict people's freedom of speech.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,350
    isam said:

    Jenrick’s boasts of procuring hotels fur asylum seekers to stay in whilst immigration minister must surely make him less likely to be next Tory leader than before the clips were released. Farage & Labour are all over it. Lay the 2.54?

    Don't think it will have an impact. Jenrick's record as Immigration Minister under Braverman is pretty decent.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,284

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    Some bang on about ‘woke’ not having a definition. One feature for me is often how intolerant the most ‘woke’ are to people who disagree with them.
    Woke is an overused term, which undermines its use, and it can be hard to precisely define or have multiple interpretations, but many things are hard to precisely define yet still exist - political ideas being amongst them. So I do think it exists.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,427
    Social media appears to be infected with "the King is a Muslim and a traitor to the UK."
    Only slightly less polite obvs.

    What make our resident super patriots of this development?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,809
    Leon said:

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    Ergotism?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,627
    DM_Andy said:

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    Some bang on about ‘woke’ not having a definition. One feature for me is often how intolerant the most ‘woke’ are to people who disagree with them.
    Just as John Coyne has the right to be a TERF (and that's what he calls himself) then people who don't like TERFs have the right to refuse to share a platform with him. You can't be a freedom of speech defender and seek to restrict people's freedom of speech.

    They are attending to make it untenable to have non approved views

    Essentially declaring him a heretic
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,585
    edited August 18

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    You're not wrong

    https://xcancel.com/LissaKEvans/status/1313150157953826817

    (see also https://bsky.app/profile/patricknessbooks.bsky.social/post/3lwcnlncyrk2z )
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,586

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    Some bang on about ‘woke’ not having a definition. One feature for me is often how intolerant the most ‘woke’ are to people who disagree with them.
    LOL. That's the case for many politically-interested people, from the left, right and middle.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,093

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    Some bang on about ‘woke’ not having a definition. One feature for me is often how intolerant the most ‘woke’ are to people who disagree with them.
    Cuts both ways, of course :smile:
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,284
    edited August 18

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    Some bang on about ‘woke’ not having a definition. One feature for me is often how intolerant the most ‘woke’ are to people who disagree with them.
    LOL. That's the case for many politically-interested people, from the left, right and middle.
    That is true enough, to be specifically 'woke' I think would probably additionally require adherence to a loose if identifiable political strand of thought, not merely general intolerance, even if intolerance is a big part of the vibe.

    Probably easier to separate out political tribes based on primary emotion or characteristic, like which is angriest, which is smuggest, which is the most patronising, etc.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,809
    dixiedean said:

    Social media appears to be infected with "the King is a Muslim and a traitor to the UK."
    Only slightly less polite obvs.

    What make our resident super patriots of this development?

    Bit mean to suggest Camilla would benefit from a Burka. The King would look decent in a beard though, like many of his obviously Muslim ancestors.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,449

    DM_Andy said:

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    Some bang on about ‘woke’ not having a definition. One feature for me is often how intolerant the most ‘woke’ are to people who disagree with them.
    Just as John Coyne has the right to be a TERF (and that's what he calls himself) then people who don't like TERFs have the right to refuse to share a platform with him. You can't be a freedom of speech defender and seek to restrict people's freedom of speech.

    They are attending to make it untenable to have non approved views

    Essentially declaring him a heretic
    You are allowed to call people bad, evil, etc for having different views. How is that making someone untenable. I'm sure that John Coyne is very happy as his books have got plenty of publicity and more sales.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,585

    DM_Andy said:

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    Some bang on about ‘woke’ not having a definition. One feature for me is often how intolerant the most ‘woke’ are to people who disagree with them.
    Just as John Coyne has the right to be a TERF (and that's what he calls himself) then people who don't like TERFs have the right to refuse to share a platform with him. You can't be a freedom of speech defender and seek to restrict people's freedom of speech.

    They are attending to make it untenable to have non approved views

    Essentially declaring him a heretic
    You can't make somebody stand next to you nor like you

    Swimming
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,568
    kle4 said:

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    However, some other nominated authors asked to be removed from the longlist, objecting to an article Boyne wrote defending JK Rowling's stance on trans issues and women's rights. More than 800 figures in the publishing industry also signed an open letter criticising his nomination

    Seems a bit extreme. Is the publishing industry particularly sensitive on these issues for some reason?
    The literary world at that level is somewhat entwined with the higher academia. They’re all off-the-scale woke and have no understanding of why men playing in women’s sports is a problem.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,449
    Sandpit said:

    kle4 said:

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    However, some other nominated authors asked to be removed from the longlist, objecting to an article Boyne wrote defending JK Rowling's stance on trans issues and women's rights. More than 800 figures in the publishing industry also signed an open letter criticising his nomination

    Seems a bit extreme. Is the publishing industry particularly sensitive on these issues for some reason?
    The literary world at that level is somewhat entwined with the higher academia. They’re all off-the-scale woke and have no understanding of why men playing in women’s sports is a problem.
    So these authors shouldn't be allowed to say what they think?

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,621
    Leon said:

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    Pseud’s Corner has a massive backlog from your prior submissions; give them a break….
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,568
    DM_Andy said:

    Sandpit said:

    kle4 said:

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    However, some other nominated authors asked to be removed from the longlist, objecting to an article Boyne wrote defending JK Rowling's stance on trans issues and women's rights. More than 800 figures in the publishing industry also signed an open letter criticising his nomination

    Seems a bit extreme. Is the publishing industry particularly sensitive on these issues for some reason?
    The literary world at that level is somewhat entwined with the higher academia. They’re all off-the-scale woke and have no understanding of why men playing in women’s sports is a problem.
    So these authors shouldn't be allowed to say what they think?

    They can of course say what they wish, but the problems occur when they try to exclude others for their own views.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,449
    Sandpit said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Sandpit said:

    kle4 said:

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    However, some other nominated authors asked to be removed from the longlist, objecting to an article Boyne wrote defending JK Rowling's stance on trans issues and women's rights. More than 800 figures in the publishing industry also signed an open letter criticising his nomination

    Seems a bit extreme. Is the publishing industry particularly sensitive on these issues for some reason?
    The literary world at that level is somewhat entwined with the higher academia. They’re all off-the-scale woke and have no understanding of why men playing in women’s sports is a problem.
    So these authors shouldn't be allowed to say what they think?

    They can of course say what they wish, but the problems occur when they try to exclude others for their own views.
    Who's excluded apart from the authors who withdrew their name for the prize?

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,744
    viewcode said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    Some bang on about ‘woke’ not having a definition. One feature for me is often how intolerant the most ‘woke’ are to people who disagree with them.
    Just as John Coyne has the right to be a TERF (and that's what he calls himself) then people who don't like TERFs have the right to refuse to share a platform with him. You can't be a freedom of speech defender and seek to restrict people's freedom of speech.

    They are attending to make it untenable to have non approved views

    Essentially declaring him a heretic
    You can't make somebody stand next to you nor like you

    Swimming
    She even had ‘yucky’ printed on her top.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,902
    DM_Andy said:

    Sandpit said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Sandpit said:

    kle4 said:

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    However, some other nominated authors asked to be removed from the longlist, objecting to an article Boyne wrote defending JK Rowling's stance on trans issues and women's rights. More than 800 figures in the publishing industry also signed an open letter criticising his nomination

    Seems a bit extreme. Is the publishing industry particularly sensitive on these issues for some reason?
    The literary world at that level is somewhat entwined with the higher academia. They’re all off-the-scale woke and have no understanding of why men playing in women’s sports is a problem.
    So these authors shouldn't be allowed to say what they think?

    They can of course say what they wish, but the problems occur when they try to exclude others for their own views.
    Who's excluded apart from the authors who withdrew their name for the prize?

    The organisers have withdrawn the prize. So anyone on the list who might have won, for a start. Such as someone with banned views.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,568
    Now about those 30 year yield rates… US vs UK.

    https://x.com/donaldpond6/status/1957454182564204597
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,627
    DM_Andy said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    Some bang on about ‘woke’ not having a definition. One feature for me is often how intolerant the most ‘woke’ are to people who disagree with them.
    Just as John Coyne has the right to be a TERF (and that's what he calls himself) then people who don't like TERFs have the right to refuse to share a platform with him. You can't be a freedom of speech defender and seek to restrict people's freedom of speech.

    They are attending to make it untenable to have non approved views

    Essentially declaring him a heretic
    You are allowed to call people bad, evil, etc for having different views. How is that making someone untenable. I'm sure that John Coyne is very happy as his books have got plenty of publicity and more sales.
    I didn’t say making him untenable, I said having non approved views is untenable

    If a prize can’t be awarded if someone unapproved is on the long list then how long before only people who share their views are on the list?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,627
    viewcode said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    Some bang on about ‘woke’ not having a definition. One feature for me is often how intolerant the most ‘woke’ are to people who disagree with them.
    Just as John Coyne has the right to be a TERF (and that's what he calls himself) then people who don't like TERFs have the right to refuse to share a platform with him. You can't be a freedom of speech defender and seek to restrict people's freedom of speech.

    They are attending to make it untenable to have non approved views

    Essentially declaring him a heretic
    You can't make somebody stand next to you nor like you

    Swimming
    No. But they have effectively made it impossible for a prize to be awarded to someone who’s views they dislike
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,238
    edited August 18
    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Interior decorating update picture quiz

    Who is this lady? Why is she special? Where does she dance?


    Ergotism?
    lol that's actually quite close!

    Indeed, close enough for me to reveal the answer

    Also it's 11pm and tomorrow I'm out with the offspring so I gotta go bed

    That is a genuine witch's poppet from the eerie Egyptian oasis town of Siwa, known for its dark Berber magic, which is sincerely feared by Arab Egyptians. I bought it from the Witch's Poppet Monger in weird Siwa market about two years ago

    But even cooler is maybe her stage. She is standing on a little wooden dais, as you can see

    What is it? It is a delicately engraved cross section of mature ayahuasca vine, from the Amazonian jungle, where I took ayahausca. A couple of years ago. In the Amazonian jungle

    So this is a spooky Berber witch's poppet, sourced from the shrine-town where Alexander the Great was ordained as a God, dancing on a slice of the Amazonian source of the most feared hallucinogen on earth, where I did that same hallucinogen

    I did say I was building a shrine to myself
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,449

    DM_Andy said:

    Sandpit said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Sandpit said:

    kle4 said:

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    However, some other nominated authors asked to be removed from the longlist, objecting to an article Boyne wrote defending JK Rowling's stance on trans issues and women's rights. More than 800 figures in the publishing industry also signed an open letter criticising his nomination

    Seems a bit extreme. Is the publishing industry particularly sensitive on these issues for some reason?
    The literary world at that level is somewhat entwined with the higher academia. They’re all off-the-scale woke and have no understanding of why men playing in women’s sports is a problem.
    So these authors shouldn't be allowed to say what they think?

    They can of course say what they wish, but the problems occur when they try to exclude others for their own views.
    Who's excluded apart from the authors who withdrew their name for the prize?

    The organisers have withdrawn the prize. So anyone on the list who might have won, for a start. Such as someone with banned views.
    That was the organisers' decision. Viewcode pointed out the case of Lissa Evans who withdrew from the Women's Prize for Fiction because trans women were eligible, She's allowed to do that isn't she?

  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,413
    Sandpit said:

    Now about those 30 year yield rates… US vs UK.

    https://x.com/donaldpond6/status/1957454182564204597

    I might start buying some long dated gilts rather than equities or paying down my mortgage (only 4.3%).
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,902
    DM_Andy said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Sandpit said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Sandpit said:

    kle4 said:

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    However, some other nominated authors asked to be removed from the longlist, objecting to an article Boyne wrote defending JK Rowling's stance on trans issues and women's rights. More than 800 figures in the publishing industry also signed an open letter criticising his nomination

    Seems a bit extreme. Is the publishing industry particularly sensitive on these issues for some reason?
    The literary world at that level is somewhat entwined with the higher academia. They’re all off-the-scale woke and have no understanding of why men playing in women’s sports is a problem.
    So these authors shouldn't be allowed to say what they think?

    They can of course say what they wish, but the problems occur when they try to exclude others for their own views.
    Who's excluded apart from the authors who withdrew their name for the prize?

    The organisers have withdrawn the prize. So anyone on the list who might have won, for a start. Such as someone with banned views.
    That was the organisers' decision. Viewcode pointed out the case of Lissa Evans who withdrew from the Women's Prize for Fiction because trans women were eligible, She's allowed to do that isn't she?

    You see we are on pb discussing this, and no one is calling for bans, writing letters to Robert about how we will no longer post because person X is etc.

    Of course people can hold and express different opinions. But this is not what’s happening. It’s about shutting out people who don’t agree with the prevailing narrative. The world of trans (mainly trans women, if we’re honest) is in uproar because a legal judgement has come down ‘against’ them. And things have become needlessly nasty.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,238
    Sandpit said:

    Now about those 30 year yield rates… US vs UK.

    https://x.com/donaldpond6/status/1957454182564204597

    We are so totally fucked. I wonder if we will hit the wall of reality this year. We are spiralling towards an Italian or Greek style crisis
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,568
    viewcode said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    Some bang on about ‘woke’ not having a definition. One feature for me is often how intolerant the most ‘woke’ are to people who disagree with them.
    Just as John Coyne has the right to be a TERF (and that's what he calls himself) then people who don't like TERFs have the right to refuse to share a platform with him. You can't be a freedom of speech defender and seek to restrict people's freedom of speech.

    They are attending to make it untenable to have non approved views

    Essentially declaring him a heretic
    You can't make somebody stand next to you nor like you

    Swimming
    That young lady turned out to be a star. The one on the right.

    Riley Gaines, now the poster girl for the “women in sports” movement in the US.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,093
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Now about those 30 year yield rates… US vs UK.

    https://x.com/donaldpond6/status/1957454182564204597

    We are so totally fucked. I wonder if we will hit the wall of reality this year. We are spiralling towards an Italian or Greek style crisis
    Like the famous Japanese crisis?
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,812
    Looks like we might be getting that 0.5% property tax to replace stamp duty that I & a few others have been suggesting, if this Guardian article is to be believed:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/aug/18/rachel-reeves-stamp-duty-property-tax-council-tax

    Note that the article appears to be wildly confused about the details of the suggested system. If you want to know what’s being discussed, then read the original report published by Tim Leenig: https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Onward-A-Fairer-Property-Tax.pdf

    Honestly, the Guardian article is so hopelessly wrong that I suspect they shoved the text of that report into ChatGPT & asked it to summarise it, because it’s confused in a very LLM-like way. Whither modern journalism? Because throwing documents into ChatGPT & printing whatever it spits out regardless of whether it makes any sense is an insult to your readers.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,995
    Newsnight: Children's Commissioner for England — VPNs must have age checks.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,887
    Councils spend £1 in every £5 on interest payments

    Debt has increased by 60 per cent since 2015 as local authorities struggle to cope without government grants and face increased demand for their services With pension contributions for staff accounting for a further 23 per cent of council tax revenues on average, the typical council is now seeing about £2 in every £5 they raise from residents effectively disappear before a penny is spent on essential services.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/councils-spend-one-in-every-five-pounds-on-interest-payments-r0q6hg8js
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,585

    DM_Andy said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Sandpit said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Sandpit said:

    kle4 said:

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    However, some other nominated authors asked to be removed from the longlist, objecting to an article Boyne wrote defending JK Rowling's stance on trans issues and women's rights. More than 800 figures in the publishing industry also signed an open letter criticising his nomination

    Seems a bit extreme. Is the publishing industry particularly sensitive on these issues for some reason?
    The literary world at that level is somewhat entwined with the higher academia. They’re all off-the-scale woke and have no understanding of why men playing in women’s sports is a problem.
    So these authors shouldn't be allowed to say what they think?

    They can of course say what they wish, but the problems occur when they try to exclude others for their own views.
    Who's excluded apart from the authors who withdrew their name for the prize?

    The organisers have withdrawn the prize. So anyone on the list who might have won, for a start. Such as someone with banned views.
    That was the organisers' decision. Viewcode pointed out the case of Lissa Evans who withdrew from the Women's Prize for Fiction because trans women were eligible, She's allowed to do that isn't she?

    You see we are on pb discussing this, and no one is calling for bans, writing letters to Robert about how we will no longer post because person X is etc.

    Of course people can hold and express different opinions. But this is not what’s happening. It’s about shutting out people who don’t agree with the prevailing narrative. The world of trans (mainly trans women, if we’re honest) is in uproar because a legal judgement has come down ‘against’ them. And things have become needlessly nasty.
    OK, I'll bite. What would needfully nasty look like? :)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,887
    Andy_JS said:

    Newsnight: Children's Commissioner for England — VPNs must have age checks.

    Head in hands....
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,902
    viewcode said:

    DM_Andy said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Sandpit said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Sandpit said:

    kle4 said:

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    However, some other nominated authors asked to be removed from the longlist, objecting to an article Boyne wrote defending JK Rowling's stance on trans issues and women's rights. More than 800 figures in the publishing industry also signed an open letter criticising his nomination

    Seems a bit extreme. Is the publishing industry particularly sensitive on these issues for some reason?
    The literary world at that level is somewhat entwined with the higher academia. They’re all off-the-scale woke and have no understanding of why men playing in women’s sports is a problem.
    So these authors shouldn't be allowed to say what they think?

    They can of course say what they wish, but the problems occur when they try to exclude others for their own views.
    Who's excluded apart from the authors who withdrew their name for the prize?

    The organisers have withdrawn the prize. So anyone on the list who might have won, for a start. Such as someone with banned views.
    That was the organisers' decision. Viewcode pointed out the case of Lissa Evans who withdrew from the Women's Prize for Fiction because trans women were eligible, She's allowed to do that isn't she?

    You see we are on pb discussing this, and no one is calling for bans, writing letters to Robert about how we will no longer post because person X is etc.

    Of course people can hold and express different opinions. But this is not what’s happening. It’s about shutting out people who don’t agree with the prevailing narrative. The world of trans (mainly trans women, if we’re honest) is in uproar because a legal judgement has come down ‘against’ them. And things have become needlessly nasty.
    OK, I'll bite. What would needfully nasty look like? :)
    Needless as in it didn’t need to happen. You could argue that much of it is mindfully nasty - it’s on purpose, they are hurt and lashing out.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,887
    edited August 18
    Phil said:

    Looks like we might be getting that 0.5% property tax to replace stamp duty that I & a few others have been suggesting, if this Guardian article is to be believed:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/aug/18/rachel-reeves-stamp-duty-property-tax-council-tax

    Note that the article appears to be wildly confused about the details of the suggested system. If you want to know what’s being discussed, then read the original report published by Tim Leenig: https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Onward-A-Fairer-Property-Tax.pdf

    Honestly, the Guardian article is so hopelessly wrong that I suspect they shoved the text of that report into ChatGPT & asked it to summarise it, because it’s confused in a very LLM-like way. Whither modern journalism? Because throwing documents into ChatGPT & printing whatever it spits out regardless of whether it makes any sense is an insult to your readers.

    The Reformy-graph have a quote from the Treasury saying the Guardian article isn't correct. Their report is Chancellor is looking at going for a load more council tax bands.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/08/18/reeves-eyes-property-tax-raid-on-the-wealthy/
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,585

    Andy_JS said:

    Newsnight: Children's Commissioner for England — VPNs must have age checks.

    Head in hands....
    Well then you get a VPN to bypass the VPN age check... :)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,568
    Andy_JS said:

    Newsnight: Children's Commissioner for England — VPNs must have age checks.

    LOL, they really don’t have a clue do they?
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,812
    Andy_JS said:

    Newsnight: Children's Commissioner for England — VPNs must have age checks.

    This kind of intrusive overreach was inevitable the moment this law was put onto the books.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,223

    Andy_JS said:

    Newsnight: Children's Commissioner for England — VPNs must have age checks.

    Head in hands....
    'Which of these images is of a person with their head in their hands?" [ Attempt 15 of 50 . Thank you for training our AI model ]
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,744
    DM_Andy said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Sandpit said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Sandpit said:

    kle4 said:

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    However, some other nominated authors asked to be removed from the longlist, objecting to an article Boyne wrote defending JK Rowling's stance on trans issues and women's rights. More than 800 figures in the publishing industry also signed an open letter criticising his nomination

    Seems a bit extreme. Is the publishing industry particularly sensitive on these issues for some reason?
    The literary world at that level is somewhat entwined with the higher academia. They’re all off-the-scale woke and have no understanding of why men playing in women’s sports is a problem.
    So these authors shouldn't be allowed to say what they think?

    They can of course say what they wish, but the problems occur when they try to exclude others for their own views.
    Who's excluded apart from the authors who withdrew their name for the prize?

    The organisers have withdrawn the prize. So anyone on the list who might have won, for a start. Such as someone with banned views.
    That was the organisers' decision. Viewcode pointed out the case of Lissa Evans who withdrew from the Women's Prize for Fiction because trans women were eligible, She's allowed to do that isn't she?

    The persecuted right’s relentless claim to victimhood can’t be bargained with, can’t be reasoned with and won’t stop till we’re all dead.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,238
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Now about those 30 year yield rates… US vs UK.

    https://x.com/donaldpond6/status/1957454182564204597

    We are so totally fucked. I wonder if we will hit the wall of reality this year. We are spiralling towards an Italian or Greek style crisis
    Like the famous Japanese crisis?
    Isn't Japan weirdly insulated because so much of its massive debt is owned by Japanese citizens?

    Not that this has stopped Japan economically stagnating for about 30 years
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,887
    Its ok, we are going to be much more like the Japanese economy I am not sure is a vote winning strategy.....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,887
    edited August 18
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Now about those 30 year yield rates… US vs UK.

    https://x.com/donaldpond6/status/1957454182564204597

    We are so totally fucked. I wonder if we will hit the wall of reality this year. We are spiralling towards an Italian or Greek style crisis
    Like the famous Japanese crisis?
    Isn't Japan weirdly insulated because so much of its massive debt is owned by Japanese citizens?

    Not that this has stopped Japan economically stagnating for about 30 years
    They also basically had zero inflation (in fact had deflation at times). Only recently has it started to tick up and people ain't happy in Japan.

    The UK has had high inflation, it has dropped, but its now ticking up again (especially on things like food).
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,093
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Now about those 30 year yield rates… US vs UK.

    https://x.com/donaldpond6/status/1957454182564204597

    We are so totally fucked. I wonder if we will hit the wall of reality this year. We are spiralling towards an Italian or Greek style crisis
    Like the famous Japanese crisis?
    Isn't Japan weirdly insulated because so much of its massive debt is owned by Japanese citizens?

    Not that this has stopped Japan economically stagnating for about 30 years
    So long as you have your own currency, it's very hard to go completely bust.

    Now, you can end up screwing bondholders through the miracle of inflation, but that's usually better than the alternative.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,093
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Newsnight: Children's Commissioner for England — VPNs must have age checks.

    Head in hands....
    Well then you get a VPN to bypass the VPN age check... :)
    You will need to also put age checks on people who wish to rent VPSs, given one of those can be turned into a VPN gateway in about five minutes.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,887
    edited August 18
    Led by Donkeys....

    And the group of the same name strangely don't seem to think so any more.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,585

    DM_Andy said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Sandpit said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Sandpit said:

    kle4 said:

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    However, some other nominated authors asked to be removed from the longlist, objecting to an article Boyne wrote defending JK Rowling's stance on trans issues and women's rights. More than 800 figures in the publishing industry also signed an open letter criticising his nomination

    Seems a bit extreme. Is the publishing industry particularly sensitive on these issues for some reason?
    The literary world at that level is somewhat entwined with the higher academia. They’re all off-the-scale woke and have no understanding of why men playing in women’s sports is a problem.
    So these authors shouldn't be allowed to say what they think?

    They can of course say what they wish, but the problems occur when they try to exclude others for their own views.
    Who's excluded apart from the authors who withdrew their name for the prize?

    The organisers have withdrawn the prize. So anyone on the list who might have won, for a start. Such as someone with banned views.
    That was the organisers' decision. Viewcode pointed out the case of Lissa Evans who withdrew from the Women's Prize for Fiction because trans women were eligible, She's allowed to do that isn't she?

    You see we are on pb discussing this, and no one is calling for bans, writing letters to Robert about how we will no longer post because person X is etc.

    Of course people can hold and express different opinions. But this is not what’s happening. It’s about shutting out people who don’t agree with the prevailing narrative. The world of trans (mainly trans women, if we’re honest) is in uproar because a legal judgement has come down ‘against’ them. And things have become needlessly nasty.
    https://wildwomanwritingclub.wordpress.com/2021/04/06/open-letter-to-the-womens-prize/
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,568
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Now about those 30 year yield rates… US vs UK.

    https://x.com/donaldpond6/status/1957454182564204597

    We are so totally fucked. I wonder if we will hit the wall of reality this year. We are spiralling towards an Italian or Greek style crisis
    Like the famous Japanese crisis?
    Isn't Japan weirdly insulated because so much of its massive debt is owned by Japanese citizens?

    Not that this has stopped Japan economically stagnating for about 30 years
    In a word: yes.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,401
    Ratters said:

    Sandpit said:

    Now about those 30 year yield rates… US vs UK.

    https://x.com/donaldpond6/status/1957454182564204597

    I might start buying some long dated gilts rather than equities or paying down my mortgage (only 4.3%).
    If other people agree with you then the price will go up and the yield will drop.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,093
    Now for a heartwarming story: https://youtu.be/KRtyMCeDw8o?si=kWNMy6L_H7-0nCFa
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,568
    edited August 18
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Now about those 30 year yield rates… US vs UK.

    https://x.com/donaldpond6/status/1957454182564204597

    We are so totally fucked. I wonder if we will hit the wall of reality this year. We are spiralling towards an Italian or Greek style crisis
    Like the famous Japanese crisis?
    Isn't Japan weirdly insulated because so much of its massive debt is owned by Japanese citizens?

    Not that this has stopped Japan economically stagnating for about 30 years
    So long as you have your own currency, it's very hard to go completely bust.

    Now, you can end up screwing bondholders through the miracle of inflation, but that's usually better than the alternative.
    But the UK has been a big fan of index-linked bonds since about 2008.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,995

    Andy_JS said:

    Interesting facts.

    In the year 2000 China's population was around 21.5 times that of the UK.

    In 2025 China's population is around 20.3 times that of the UK.

    How have the carbon emissions changed ?
    Interesting question.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,223
    Phil said:

    Looks like we might be getting that 0.5% property tax to replace stamp duty that I & a few others have been suggesting, if this Guardian article is to be believed:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/aug/18/rachel-reeves-stamp-duty-property-tax-council-tax

    Note that the article appears to be wildly confused about the details of the suggested system. If you want to know what’s being discussed, then read the original report published by Tim Leenig: https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Onward-A-Fairer-Property-Tax.pdf

    Honestly, the Guardian article is so hopelessly wrong that I suspect they shoved the text of that report into ChatGPT & asked it to summarise it, because it’s confused in a very LLM-like way. Whither modern journalism? Because throwing documents into ChatGPT & printing whatever it spits out regardless of whether it makes any sense is an insult to your readers.

    Ah, but imagine how many articles could be spawned by having an article written by an LLM for The Guardian. Thought pieces. Comment is Free - filled to the brim. Then the spin-off BBC Sounds programme reporting on the ongoing drama over at the Guardian. With special guests from the Times and 'i', And some 'senior' BBC correspondent you've never heard of. Tie in to some US focussed BBC Sounds programme you've also never heard of or care about.

    Could keep them in GPT-generated content for months.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,627
    rcs1000 said:
    He has WAAAY too much time on his hands
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,223
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Newsnight: Children's Commissioner for England — VPNs must have age checks.

    Head in hands....
    Well then you get a VPN to bypass the VPN age check... :)
    You will need to also put age checks on people who wish to rent VPSs, given one of those can be turned into a VPN gateway in about five minutes.
    'Algo' is quite good for that. We spun one up at the start of lockdown and it served us very well :

    https://github.com/trailofbits/algo

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,995
    edited August 18
    Linke and BSW combined have more support than the SPD for perhaps the first time in an opinion poll.

    https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/insa.htm
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,627
    ohnotnow said:

    Phil said:

    Looks like we might be getting that 0.5% property tax to replace stamp duty that I & a few others have been suggesting, if this Guardian article is to be believed:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/aug/18/rachel-reeves-stamp-duty-property-tax-council-tax

    Note that the article appears to be wildly confused about the details of the suggested system. If you want to know what’s being discussed, then read the original report published by Tim Leenig: https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Onward-A-Fairer-Property-Tax.pdf

    Honestly, the Guardian article is so hopelessly wrong that I suspect they shoved the text of that report into ChatGPT & asked it to summarise it, because it’s confused in a very LLM-like way. Whither modern journalism? Because throwing documents into ChatGPT & printing whatever it spits out regardless of whether it makes any sense is an insult to your readers.

    Ah, but imagine how many articles could be spawned by having an article written by an LLM for The Guardian. Thought pieces. Comment is Free - filled to the brim. Then the spin-off BBC Sounds programme reporting on the ongoing drama over at the Guardian. With special guests from the Times and 'i', And some 'senior' BBC correspondent you've never heard of. Tie in to some US focussed BBC Sounds programme you've also never heard of or care about.

    Could keep them in GPT-generated content for months.
    Tim’s come a long way since he taught me microeconomics.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,449

    DM_Andy said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Sandpit said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Sandpit said:

    kle4 said:

    Organisers have cancelled an annual literary prize created to promote LGBTQ+ writing, following a row about comments by one of the nominated authors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvme385e6o

    Some people don't seem very tolerant that other people might have conflicting views.

    However, some other nominated authors asked to be removed from the longlist, objecting to an article Boyne wrote defending JK Rowling's stance on trans issues and women's rights. More than 800 figures in the publishing industry also signed an open letter criticising his nomination

    Seems a bit extreme. Is the publishing industry particularly sensitive on these issues for some reason?
    The literary world at that level is somewhat entwined with the higher academia. They’re all off-the-scale woke and have no understanding of why men playing in women’s sports is a problem.
    So these authors shouldn't be allowed to say what they think?

    They can of course say what they wish, but the problems occur when they try to exclude others for their own views.
    Who's excluded apart from the authors who withdrew their name for the prize?

    The organisers have withdrawn the prize. So anyone on the list who might have won, for a start. Such as someone with banned views.
    That was the organisers' decision. Viewcode pointed out the case of Lissa Evans who withdrew from the Women's Prize for Fiction because trans women were eligible, She's allowed to do that isn't she?

    You see we are on pb discussing this, and no one is calling for bans, writing letters to Robert about how we will no longer post because person X is etc.

    Of course people can hold and express different opinions. But this is not what’s happening. It’s about shutting out people who don’t agree with the prevailing narrative. The world of trans (mainly trans women, if we’re honest) is in uproar because a legal judgement has come down ‘against’ them. And things have become needlessly nasty.
    I agree about pb.com but if anyone decided that pb.com wasn't for them, they are not obliged to post here. You make it sound like the authors had an obligation to remain in contention for a prize they were no longer interested in winning. Kathleen Stock hasn't been silenced, JK Rowling is richer than ever, Graham Linehan was on the most successful podcast on the planet the other week. No-one is being persecuted unless comments about them are persecution.

  • eekeek Posts: 30,976

    Phil said:

    Looks like we might be getting that 0.5% property tax to replace stamp duty that I & a few others have been suggesting, if this Guardian article is to be believed:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/aug/18/rachel-reeves-stamp-duty-property-tax-council-tax

    Note that the article appears to be wildly confused about the details of the suggested system. If you want to know what’s being discussed, then read the original report published by Tim Leenig: https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Onward-A-Fairer-Property-Tax.pdf

    Honestly, the Guardian article is so hopelessly wrong that I suspect they shoved the text of that report into ChatGPT & asked it to summarise it, because it’s confused in a very LLM-like way. Whither modern journalism? Because throwing documents into ChatGPT & printing whatever it spits out regardless of whether it makes any sense is an insult to your readers.

    The Reformy-graph have a quote from the Treasury saying the Guardian article isn't correct. Their report is Chancellor is looking at going for a load more council tax bands.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/08/18/reeves-eyes-property-tax-raid-on-the-wealthy/
    Slight flaw there - I don’t think the dataset of actual valuations in 1988 exists to allow those higher bands to be created.

    We get to the point that the only solution will be a revaluation and the nightmare that will create in the south
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,238
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Now about those 30 year yield rates… US vs UK.

    https://x.com/donaldpond6/status/1957454182564204597

    We are so totally fucked. I wonder if we will hit the wall of reality this year. We are spiralling towards an Italian or Greek style crisis
    Like the famous Japanese crisis?
    Isn't Japan weirdly insulated because so much of its massive debt is owned by Japanese citizens?

    Not that this has stopped Japan economically stagnating for about 30 years
    So long as you have your own currency, it's very hard to go completely bust.

    Now, you can end up screwing bondholders through the miracle of inflation, but that's usually better than the alternative.
    Zimbabwe says Hi. Also Weimar Germany and Argentina are happy to chat
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,887
    eek said:

    Phil said:

    Looks like we might be getting that 0.5% property tax to replace stamp duty that I & a few others have been suggesting, if this Guardian article is to be believed:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/aug/18/rachel-reeves-stamp-duty-property-tax-council-tax

    Note that the article appears to be wildly confused about the details of the suggested system. If you want to know what’s being discussed, then read the original report published by Tim Leenig: https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Onward-A-Fairer-Property-Tax.pdf

    Honestly, the Guardian article is so hopelessly wrong that I suspect they shoved the text of that report into ChatGPT & asked it to summarise it, because it’s confused in a very LLM-like way. Whither modern journalism? Because throwing documents into ChatGPT & printing whatever it spits out regardless of whether it makes any sense is an insult to your readers.

    The Reformy-graph have a quote from the Treasury saying the Guardian article isn't correct. Their report is Chancellor is looking at going for a load more council tax bands.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/08/18/reeves-eyes-property-tax-raid-on-the-wealthy/
    Slight flaw there - I don’t think the dataset of actual valuations in 1988 exists to allow those higher bands to be created.

    We get to the point that the only solution will be a revaluation and the nightmare that will create in the south
    It says this in the article,

    "Sources close to HMRC also signalled that even simple reforms such as introducing new council tax bands could take more than a year to implement because it would take time for the Valuation Office Agency (VOA) to get up to speed."
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,798
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Newsnight: Children's Commissioner for England — VPNs must have age checks.

    Head in hands....
    Well then you get a VPN to bypass the VPN age check... :)
    You will need to also put age checks on people who wish to rent VPSs, given one of those can be turned into a VPN gateway in about five minutes.
    Shsssss.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,401
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Now about those 30 year yield rates… US vs UK.

    https://x.com/donaldpond6/status/1957454182564204597

    We are so totally fucked. I wonder if we will hit the wall of reality this year. We are spiralling towards an Italian or Greek style crisis
    Like the famous Japanese crisis?
    Isn't Japan weirdly insulated because so much of its massive debt is owned by Japanese citizens?

    Not that this has stopped Japan economically stagnating for about 30 years
    So long as you have your own currency, it's very hard to go completely bust.

    Now, you can end up screwing bondholders through the miracle of inflation, but that's usually better than the alternative.
    Zimbabwe says Hi. Also Weimar Germany and Argentina are happy to chat
    Oh FFS. I know this will be abused as just centrist dad but we are not fucking Weimar Germany. Nor are we Zimbabwe.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,401
    eek said:

    Phil said:

    Looks like we might be getting that 0.5% property tax to replace stamp duty that I & a few others have been suggesting, if this Guardian article is to be believed:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/aug/18/rachel-reeves-stamp-duty-property-tax-council-tax

    Note that the article appears to be wildly confused about the details of the suggested system. If you want to know what’s being discussed, then read the original report published by Tim Leenig: https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Onward-A-Fairer-Property-Tax.pdf

    Honestly, the Guardian article is so hopelessly wrong that I suspect they shoved the text of that report into ChatGPT & asked it to summarise it, because it’s confused in a very LLM-like way. Whither modern journalism? Because throwing documents into ChatGPT & printing whatever it spits out regardless of whether it makes any sense is an insult to your readers.

    The Reformy-graph have a quote from the Treasury saying the Guardian article isn't correct. Their report is Chancellor is looking at going for a load more council tax bands.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/08/18/reeves-eyes-property-tax-raid-on-the-wealthy/
    Slight flaw there - I don’t think the dataset of actual valuations in 1988 exists to allow those higher bands to be created.

    We get to the point that the only solution will be a revaluation and the nightmare that will create in the south
    Can't we just introduce a South East Property Inflation Tax?

    I mean most of the relevant seats are LibDem or Tory anyway.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,568

    eek said:

    Phil said:

    Looks like we might be getting that 0.5% property tax to replace stamp duty that I & a few others have been suggesting, if this Guardian article is to be believed:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/aug/18/rachel-reeves-stamp-duty-property-tax-council-tax

    Note that the article appears to be wildly confused about the details of the suggested system. If you want to know what’s being discussed, then read the original report published by Tim Leenig: https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Onward-A-Fairer-Property-Tax.pdf

    Honestly, the Guardian article is so hopelessly wrong that I suspect they shoved the text of that report into ChatGPT & asked it to summarise it, because it’s confused in a very LLM-like way. Whither modern journalism? Because throwing documents into ChatGPT & printing whatever it spits out regardless of whether it makes any sense is an insult to your readers.

    The Reformy-graph have a quote from the Treasury saying the Guardian article isn't correct. Their report is Chancellor is looking at going for a load more council tax bands.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/08/18/reeves-eyes-property-tax-raid-on-the-wealthy/
    Slight flaw there - I don’t think the dataset of actual valuations in 1988 exists to allow those higher bands to be created.

    We get to the point that the only solution will be a revaluation and the nightmare that will create in the south
    Can't we just introduce a South East Property Inflation Tax?

    I mean most of the relevant seats are LibDem or Tory anyway.
    Apart from London, where there’s dozens of Labour seats and they’ll be asking the average worker to be paying £5k or so in whatever is this new tax.

    You have to have a local house price scale for a property tax, paid locally to fund the local authorities in your area. Trying to implement a national scale could quite literally crash the economy.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,585
    I'm doing a model for work involving various different types of disease sites, and one of them is "rectum".

    Would it be wrong of me to insert a comment along the lines of "How severe was the effect?" "It wrecked'em" (rectum)

    It would. It would indeed.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,585
    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    FF43 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Britiain’s most famous farmer is having a go at Ed Miliband.

    https://x.com/clarksonsfarm1/status/1957419985246015511

    The UK’s net zero plan targets zero emissions by 2050, despite its <1% global emissions compared to China’s >30%. I can’t help but critique the economic cost to agriculture and industry. Subsidies must balance sustainability and rural livelihoods.

    What are your thoughts?

    My thoughts. Given China's population is twenty times the size of the UK, Clarkson doesn't do maths.
    Err the maths would indicate that China is producing more than 150% more emissions than the UK per UK population on that basis.

    What they need is an Ed Miliband so that they stop making things and import them from somewhere else instead. But I think they would just shoot him and invoice his family for the bullet.
    Still, exporting him seems a promising idea.
    It's not either/or. We can export him, they can shoot him. Ricardo's law applies
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,238

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Now about those 30 year yield rates… US vs UK.

    https://x.com/donaldpond6/status/1957454182564204597

    We are so totally fucked. I wonder if we will hit the wall of reality this year. We are spiralling towards an Italian or Greek style crisis
    Like the famous Japanese crisis?
    Isn't Japan weirdly insulated because so much of its massive debt is owned by Japanese citizens?

    Not that this has stopped Japan economically stagnating for about 30 years
    So long as you have your own currency, it's very hard to go completely bust.

    Now, you can end up screwing bondholders through the miracle of inflation, but that's usually better than the alternative.
    Zimbabwe says Hi. Also Weimar Germany and Argentina are happy to chat
    Oh FFS. I know this will be abused as just centrist dad but we are not fucking Weimar Germany. Nor are we Zimbabwe.

    My point is that countries that print their own money can still, de facto, go “bust” even as they retain the ability to create cash ex nihilo

    If everyone else loses confidence in your economy, politics and currency you are effectively insolvent even if the money-mint still whirrs
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,439

    eek said:

    Phil said:

    Looks like we might be getting that 0.5% property tax to replace stamp duty that I & a few others have been suggesting, if this Guardian article is to be believed:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/aug/18/rachel-reeves-stamp-duty-property-tax-council-tax

    Note that the article appears to be wildly confused about the details of the suggested system. If you want to know what’s being discussed, then read the original report published by Tim Leenig: https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Onward-A-Fairer-Property-Tax.pdf

    Honestly, the Guardian article is so hopelessly wrong that I suspect they shoved the text of that report into ChatGPT & asked it to summarise it, because it’s confused in a very LLM-like way. Whither modern journalism? Because throwing documents into ChatGPT & printing whatever it spits out regardless of whether it makes any sense is an insult to your readers.

    The Reformy-graph have a quote from the Treasury saying the Guardian article isn't correct. Their report is Chancellor is looking at going for a load more council tax bands.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/08/18/reeves-eyes-property-tax-raid-on-the-wealthy/
    Slight flaw there - I don’t think the dataset of actual valuations in 1988 exists to allow those higher bands to be created.

    We get to the point that the only solution will be a revaluation and the nightmare that will create in the south
    It says this in the article,

    "Sources close to HMRC also signalled that even simple reforms such as introducing new council tax bands could take more than a year to implement because it would take time for the Valuation Office Agency (VOA) to get up to speed."
    Based on dealing with the VOA over a simple change to some business premises, (now over 15 months since I first raised the issue), I would think that a wholesale rebanding would be many years in the making unless the VOA gets a massive shake up.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,887
    theProle said:

    eek said:

    Phil said:

    Looks like we might be getting that 0.5% property tax to replace stamp duty that I & a few others have been suggesting, if this Guardian article is to be believed:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/aug/18/rachel-reeves-stamp-duty-property-tax-council-tax

    Note that the article appears to be wildly confused about the details of the suggested system. If you want to know what’s being discussed, then read the original report published by Tim Leenig: https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Onward-A-Fairer-Property-Tax.pdf

    Honestly, the Guardian article is so hopelessly wrong that I suspect they shoved the text of that report into ChatGPT & asked it to summarise it, because it’s confused in a very LLM-like way. Whither modern journalism? Because throwing documents into ChatGPT & printing whatever it spits out regardless of whether it makes any sense is an insult to your readers.

    The Reformy-graph have a quote from the Treasury saying the Guardian article isn't correct. Their report is Chancellor is looking at going for a load more council tax bands.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/08/18/reeves-eyes-property-tax-raid-on-the-wealthy/
    Slight flaw there - I don’t think the dataset of actual valuations in 1988 exists to allow those higher bands to be created.

    We get to the point that the only solution will be a revaluation and the nightmare that will create in the south
    It says this in the article,

    "Sources close to HMRC also signalled that even simple reforms such as introducing new council tax bands could take more than a year to implement because it would take time for the Valuation Office Agency (VOA) to get up to speed."
    Based on dealing with the VOA over a simple change to some business premises, (now over 15 months since I first raised the issue), I would think that a wholesale rebanding would be many years in the making unless the VOA gets a massive shake up.
    Sounds like it will all go very smoothly then.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,995
    Trouble at t'mill.

    "Sultana: Corbyn 'capitulated' on antisemitism definition"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79lr40rqelo
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,995
    rcs1000 said:
    Wonderful. Thanks for the video.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,887
    edited August 18
    Andy_JS said:

    Trouble at t'mill.

    "Sultana: Corbyn 'capitulated' on antisemitism definition"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79lr40rqelo

    Communist Party of Canada comes to mind.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,887
    Vladimir Putin and Volodymyr Zelensky have apparently agreed to sit down for a one-on-one meeting within the next two weeks.

    Friedrich Merz, the German chancellor, told reporters that Putin had agreed to a summit with the Ukrainian leader following a phone call with Donald Trump on Monday.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,887
    edited August 19
    Always an angle shot with the Trumpster. He is like the Las Vegas hospitality scene these days, there is always just one more extra charge on top of the other charges.

    Ukraine offers $100bn weapons deal to Trump to win security guarantees

    The deal, said to be financed by Europe, would also see Kyiv and Washington strike a $50bn agreement to produce drones with Ukrainian companies. It is unclear which weapons Ukraine would seek to buy, but Kyiv has been open about its desire to procure at least 10 Patriot air defence systems to protect its cities from Russian bombardments.

    https://www.ft.com/content/8dad9c67-59da-4f38-b43a-3d6ba5f1df57

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