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  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,658
    edited July 27
    Barnesian said:

    MattW said:

    Barnesian said:

    I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith.
    They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs.
    Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus.

    My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).

    What's easy walking distance in metres (or yards), or time?
    Eighteen within 30 minutes, or a mile and a half, or 3,000 steps.

    There are nine within 15 minutes. Six of them on the towpath from the Old Ship to the Blue Boat.
    Thanks, that's useful. But if you give me a mile and a half it's around 20 I think. Plus Sports and Social Clubs, and probably 2 or 3 dance halls - including one which does enormous Northern Soul Events. And a lot of restaurants.

    Looking at Google, I make it 9-10 within 15 minutes walk, and 18-20 within 30 minutes walk, after several losses in the last decade. Two are A38 pubs - a Toby Carvery and a Hungry Horse.

    That's probably one pub per 2.5-3k people. We are evidently still reasonably well pubbed.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,529
    DM_Andy said:

    Sean_F said:

    WRT Texas, the growth in the Hispanic population is offset, by more of them voting Republican

    Well it was - before ICE set about destroying the Republican's chances with that cohort.
    I thought (but happy to be proven wrong) but the average Hispanic in Texas is more settled, for some families the border crossed them rather than the other way around. Most of the violent ICE stuff has been in California, Florida and Arizona rather than Texas.
    Trump approval in Texas (not split by ethnic breakdown) was 52% in February compared to 44% a month ago:

    https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/texas/2025/06/25/524929/trump-has-net-negative-approval-in-texas-according-to-new-poll/
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512

    Sean_F said:

    WRT Texas, the growth in the Hispanic population is offset, by more of them voting Republican

    Well it was - before ICE set about destroying the Republican's chances with that cohort.
    But

    Even after ICE arrested his wife, this Trump supporter refuses to take down his MAGA flags and says he doesn’t regret voting for Trump:

    “Trump is not trying to do anything bad. He wants the best for the country.”


    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/07/05/trump-derangement-syndrome-is-real/
    If he loved Trump more than his wife then he didn't much love his wife...
    It has amused my friends that I have remained more loyal to David Cameron than I did to my wife.
    I'm assuming David Cameron never commented on your choice of footwear?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,658
    Pro_Rata said:

    On the Your Party branding:


    https://politicaladvertising.co.uk/2025/07/27/your-party-a-strong-political-brand/

    "Jeremy Corbyn has hinted that the name might not change after their founding conference. My strong recommendation, based on years of observing political movements, is to not change it.

    Setting up a new political party is incredibly difficult. You don’t need the added complication of a rebrand after establishing an initial identity. Rebrands are challenging at the best of times, let alone under the intense scrutiny of national media.

    Furthermore, “Your Party” is actually a good name. It’s short, memorable, and directly reflects a core founding principle: that the party will be highly democratic and grassroots-led. This connection to its overarching proposition makes the name feel authentic and credible."



    My thought was wasn't that deeper orange the colour of the Liberals before all the SDP/Alliance/LibDems era?

    Should be no registration issues - no political parties with You or derivatives in their name at present.
    It's claimed numbers are I think also newsletter subscriptions.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,442

    Sean_F said:

    WRT Texas, the growth in the Hispanic population is offset, by more of them voting Republican

    Well it was - before ICE set about destroying the Republican's chances with that cohort.
    But

    Even after ICE arrested his wife, this Trump supporter refuses to take down his MAGA flags and says he doesn’t regret voting for Trump:

    “Trump is not trying to do anything bad. He wants the best for the country.”


    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/07/05/trump-derangement-syndrome-is-real/
    Talk about a beta.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,494

    Sean_F said:

    WRT Texas, the growth in the Hispanic population is offset, by more of them voting Republican

    Well it was - before ICE set about destroying the Republican's chances with that cohort.
    But

    Even after ICE arrested his wife, this Trump supporter refuses to take down his MAGA flags and says he doesn’t regret voting for Trump:

    “Trump is not trying to do anything bad. He wants the best for the country.”


    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/07/05/trump-derangement-syndrome-is-real/
    If he loved Trump more than his wife then he didn't much love his wife...
    On which topic, it seems that Melania and Donald might first have made the beast with two backs in the mile-high club.

    On Epstein's jet.
    I’m visualising the Damienesque Barron as the issue of this union. Perhaps it was a threesome with u-kno-who.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,529
    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    WRT Texas, the growth in the Hispanic population is offset, by more of them voting Republican

    Well it was - before ICE set about destroying the Republican's chances with that cohort.
    But

    Even after ICE arrested his wife, this Trump supporter refuses to take down his MAGA flags and says he doesn’t regret voting for Trump:

    “Trump is not trying to do anything bad. He wants the best for the country.”


    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/07/05/trump-derangement-syndrome-is-real/
    Talk about a beta.
    A wife beta?
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,137

    MattW said:

    Barnesian said:

    I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith.
    They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs.
    Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus.

    My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).

    What's easy walking distance in metres (or yards), or time?
    It must be different when you live in a village, but to me a pub is a social centre for people to meet and socialise. Also somewhere to go for an informal meal. I assume it’s different in the city, but I would hate to live in the city. Our village pub charges £3.75 for a pint of real ale. I would expect to pay double that in the city. When a pub charges more that a fiver a pint we call it Glasgow prices.
    Wait until you see Edinburgh prices.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,996
    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    WRT Texas, the growth in the Hispanic population is offset, by more of them voting Republican

    Well it was - before ICE set about destroying the Republican's chances with that cohort.
    But

    Even after ICE arrested his wife, this Trump supporter refuses to take down his MAGA flags and says he doesn’t regret voting for Trump:

    “Trump is not trying to do anything bad. He wants the best for the country.”


    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/07/05/trump-derangement-syndrome-is-real/
    Talk about a beta.
    Maybe he believed Elon Musk & Tucker Carlson (30-seconds video):-

    Elon Musk and Tucker Carlson discuss Trump's plans prior to the election in October of 2024.
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9uvPcpU6VXo
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,020
    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    WRT Texas, the growth in the Hispanic population is offset, by more of them voting Republican

    Well it was - before ICE set about destroying the Republican's chances with that cohort.
    But

    Even after ICE arrested his wife, this Trump supporter refuses to take down his MAGA flags and says he doesn’t regret voting for Trump:

    “Trump is not trying to do anything bad. He wants the best for the country.”


    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/07/05/trump-derangement-syndrome-is-real/
    If he loved Trump more than his wife then he didn't much love his wife...
    It has amused my friends that I have remained more loyal to David Cameron than I did to my wife.
    I'm assuming David Cameron never commented on your choice of footwear?
    He did once say you can tell a great deal about a chap by the choice of his footwear.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    WRT Texas, the growth in the Hispanic population is offset, by more of them voting Republican

    Well it was - before ICE set about destroying the Republican's chances with that cohort.
    But

    Even after ICE arrested his wife, this Trump supporter refuses to take down his MAGA flags and says he doesn’t regret voting for Trump:

    “Trump is not trying to do anything bad. He wants the best for the country.”


    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/07/05/trump-derangement-syndrome-is-real/
    Talk about a beta.
    A wife beta?
    More a sort of irredeemable gamma-man.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,020
    I agree with Kemi but I reckon the police should go full Orgreave on striking doctors.

    Badenoch: Tories will ban doctor strikes

    Conservative Party leader says BMA is ‘out of control’ and that current industrial action ‘is going too far’


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/27/kemi-badenoch-tories-will-ban-doctor-strikes/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,186
    Home Secretary to make crowding more than 80 migrants into small boats a criminal offence
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14943741/yvette-cooper-overcrowding-small-boats.html
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,020
    I am positively tumescent at the fact it is raining heavily at Spa.

    Then again I remembered 2021.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,964
    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    WRT Texas, the growth in the Hispanic population is offset, by more of them voting Republican

    Well it was - before ICE set about destroying the Republican's chances with that cohort.
    But

    Even after ICE arrested his wife, this Trump supporter refuses to take down his MAGA flags and says he doesn’t regret voting for Trump:

    “Trump is not trying to do anything bad. He wants the best for the country.”


    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/07/05/trump-derangement-syndrome-is-real/
    Talk about a beta.
    A wife beta?
    More a sort of irredeemable gamma-man.
    Maybe he just got a really, really cheap divorce?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,020
    Amused by Nico Rosberg and Martin Brundle tag teaming Jos Verstappen.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,964

    MattW said:

    Barnesian said:

    I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith.
    They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs.
    Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus.

    My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).

    What's easy walking distance in metres (or yards), or time?
    It must be different when you live in a village, but to me a pub is a social centre for people to meet and socialise. Also somewhere to go for an informal meal. I assume it’s different in the city, but I would hate to live in the city. Our village pub charges £3.75 for a pint of real ale. I would expect to pay double that in the city. When a pub charges more that a fiver a pint we call it Glasgow prices.
    Wait until you see Edinburgh prices.
    Which are, basically, London prices.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,020
    I love Nico Rosberg.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,373

    Amused by Nico Rosberg and Martin Brundle tag teaming Jos Verstappen.

    Is Danica Maga Patrick on this weekend?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,658
    edited July 27

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    I have noted a thing that seems to be uniting the lefties and right wing tw@tterai, moaning about the online safety bill.

    Yes, universal loathing, and with justification

    How did the Tories create something this monstrous? Allowing Labour to censor the entire internet?

    It’s yet another reason to vote Reform
    It's getting hard(arf) to look at porn now.

    It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.


    Bit of rain in the air.

    It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.


    I'm bored.

    It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.

    Etc.
    I've yet to find ANY reason, good or otherwise, to vote Reform.
    In charge their bubble will burst even quicker than Labours has. Sadly the electorate will just move on to the next charlatan offering simplistic solutions.
    Not necessarily, they'll probably tack to the centre once in government like Fash Karen's mob, Fratelli d'Italia.

    Also, they will have a lot on entryists at the next GE with no particular ideological attachment to their retarded platform. If you were an individual with an appetite for politics then the Fukkers are the hot ticket right now. If you become a Fukker MP then a great deal of your competition for PPS roles, ministries, cabinet, etc. are going to be lard brained nativists in Adidas trakkies. So, they'll campaign in turquoise and govern in grey.
    I don't see any reason why the current crumbling 'centre' would be an attractive place to tack to. Most centrist policies just aren't very good. I don't see why a Government unburdened by any sort mandate for them would be compelled to adopt them. Why would Reform suddenly decide they like Net Zero? Or high immigration? They will be glad to be shot of them, as will most other people.
    I'm sceptical. Reform would suddenly decide things because they are in the main a political-marketing operation, and don't have much of an ideology. Someone might give them some money, and they would change their spots.

    In 2021 still as Reform, in their Senedd manifesto they talked about "a net-zero carbon future", supported remote working, and that solar and wind power had a place. *

    What changed? Fossil fuel interests gave them several million ££, and now it's "Net Stupid Zero".

    * Here's the document. See Chapter 8.:
    https://manifesto.deryn.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Reform-UK-Wales-Senedd-2021-Contract-with-the-People-of-Wales-2.pdf

    Innovation and technology will be the key to deliver a net-zero carbon future. We believe that scientists, engineers, and politicians need to work smartly together.

    Everyone in Wales needs to do their bit. Government needs to support communities to change how we travel, shop and heat our homes. We can embrace the opportunities offered by the shift towards more remote working through the pandemic to reduce unnecessary commuting. Not everyone wants to, or has the space to work from home, and we support creating local hubs, where people can still socially interact without the need to travel.

    The shift towards electric cars is a key feature of reducing the impact on the environment. The demand for electricity will rise significantly to power these vehicles and we need to focus on how we generate this electricity by increasing how much electricity comes from renewable sources. Wind turbines and solar panels will play a part, but the sun doesn’t always shine, and the wind doesn’t always blow, but the tide will always ebb and flow.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,020

    Amused by Nico Rosberg and Martin Brundle tag teaming Jos Verstappen.

    Is Danica Maga Patrick on this weekend?
    No.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,658

    I agree with Kemi but I reckon the police should go full Orgreave on striking doctors.

    Badenoch: Tories will ban doctor strikes

    Conservative Party leader says BMA is ‘out of control’ and that current industrial action ‘is going too far’


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/27/kemi-badenoch-tories-will-ban-doctor-strikes/

    Is it me, or is Kemi becoming quite Servalan?
  • ConcanvasserConcanvasser Posts: 199

    MattW said:

    Barnesian said:

    I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith.
    They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs.
    Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus.

    My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).

    What's easy walking distance in metres (or yards), or time?
    It must be different when you live in a village, but to me a pub is a social centre for people to meet and socialise. Also somewhere to go for an informal meal. I assume it’s different in the city, but I would hate to live in the city. Our village pub charges £3.75 for a pint of real ale. I would expect to pay double that in the city. When a pub charges more that a fiver a pint we call it Glasgow prices.
    Wait until you see Edinburgh prices.
    Which are, basically, London prices.
    I had a pint and fish and chips for under £10 in the Standing Order in Edinburgh last month. A good Spoons if you find yourself there.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,586
    England to win.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512

    I agree with Kemi but I reckon the police should go full Orgreave on striking doctors.

    Badenoch: Tories will ban doctor strikes

    Conservative Party leader says BMA is ‘out of control’ and that current industrial action ‘is going too far’


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/27/kemi-badenoch-tories-will-ban-doctor-strikes/

    If the doctors get beaten up by the rozzers, who will treat them?

    (Not going to happen. Police will be worried doctors will return the favour later.)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,658

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    WRT Texas, the growth in the Hispanic population is offset, by more of them voting Republican

    Well it was - before ICE set about destroying the Republican's chances with that cohort.
    But

    Even after ICE arrested his wife, this Trump supporter refuses to take down his MAGA flags and says he doesn’t regret voting for Trump:

    “Trump is not trying to do anything bad. He wants the best for the country.”


    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/07/05/trump-derangement-syndrome-is-real/
    If he loved Trump more than his wife then he didn't much love his wife...
    It has amused my friends that I have remained more loyal to David Cameron than I did to my wife.
    I'm assuming David Cameron never commented on your choice of footwear?
    He did once say you can tell a great deal about a chap by the choice of his footwear.
    Indeed. If you can see his knees it's Sunak.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,996

    Home Secretary to make crowding more than 80 migrants into small boats a criminal offence
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14943741/yvette-cooper-overcrowding-small-boats.html

    That will help. It is what governments do – if it's legal, ban it; if it's already illegal, make it even more illegal.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,586
    Barnesian said:

    I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith.
    They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs.
    Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus.

    My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).

    Barnes is a lovely place, but is there anywhere less representative of the rest of the country.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,554

    Home Secretary to make crowding more than 80 migrants into small boats a criminal offence
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14943741/yvette-cooper-overcrowding-small-boats.html

    It's just comical. How about "2"
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,080
    MattW said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    I have noted a thing that seems to be uniting the lefties and right wing tw@tterai, moaning about the online safety bill.

    Yes, universal loathing, and with justification

    How did the Tories create something this monstrous? Allowing Labour to censor the entire internet?

    It’s yet another reason to vote Reform
    It's getting hard(arf) to look at porn now.

    It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.


    Bit of rain in the air.

    It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.


    I'm bored.

    It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.

    Etc.
    I've yet to find ANY reason, good or otherwise, to vote Reform.
    In charge their bubble will burst even quicker than Labours has. Sadly the electorate will just move on to the next charlatan offering simplistic solutions.
    Not necessarily, they'll probably tack to the centre once in government like Fash Karen's mob, Fratelli d'Italia.

    Also, they will have a lot on entryists at the next GE with no particular ideological attachment to their retarded platform. If you were an individual with an appetite for politics then the Fukkers are the hot ticket right now. If you become a Fukker MP then a great deal of your competition for PPS roles, ministries, cabinet, etc. are going to be lard brained nativists in Adidas trakkies. So, they'll campaign in turquoise and govern in grey.
    I don't see any reason why the current crumbling 'centre' would be an attractive place to tack to. Most centrist policies just aren't very good. I don't see why a Government unburdened by any sort mandate for them would be compelled to adopt them. Why would Reform suddenly decide they like Net Zero? Or high immigration? They will be glad to be shot of them, as will most other people.
    I'm sceptical. Reform would suddenly decide things because they are in the main a political-marketing operation, and don't have much of an ideology. Someone might give them some money, and they would change their spots.

    In 2021 still as Reform, in their Senedd manifesto they talked about "a net-zero carbon future", supported remote working, and that solar and wind power had a place. *

    What changed?
    They realised the public really are stupid enough to embrace climate change denialism, even when the results of climate change are starting us in the face.

    And Farage cares about nothing but short-term PR gimmicks.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,993
    Andy_JS said:

    Barnesian said:

    I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith.
    They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs.
    Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus.

    My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).

    Barnes is a lovely place, but is there anywhere less representative of the rest of the country.
    Sandbanks.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,373
    Watching Trump playing an iron shot off the fairway apron at Turnberry. He's got a horrible "snatchy" style of swing. He reads a put well mind.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,996

    MattW said:

    Barnesian said:

    I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith.
    They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs.
    Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus.

    My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).

    What's easy walking distance in metres (or yards), or time?
    It must be different when you live in a village, but to me a pub is a social centre for people to meet and socialise. Also somewhere to go for an informal meal. I assume it’s different in the city, but I would hate to live in the city. Our village pub charges £3.75 for a pint of real ale. I would expect to pay double that in the city. When a pub charges more that a fiver a pint we call it Glasgow prices.
    Wait until you see Edinburgh prices.
    Which are, basically, London prices.
    I had a pint and fish and chips for under £10 in the Standing Order in Edinburgh last month. A good Spoons if you find yourself there.
    A former bank, going by the name. High street banks, jumpers for goalposts. Which illustrates another phenomenon, closing pubs where people live and work and opening them where they shop.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,964
    Leon said:

    Home Secretary to make crowding more than 80 migrants into small boats a criminal offence
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14943741/yvette-cooper-overcrowding-small-boats.html

    It's just comical. How about "2"
    IIRC crowding more paying passengers onto a boat than it is designed for is already a criminal offence.

    With unlimited fines. Again, IIRC
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,964
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    Andy_JS said:

    Barnesian said:

    I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith.
    They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs.
    Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus.

    My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).

    Barnes is a lovely place, but is there anywhere less representative of the rest of the country.
    It’s an example of a village surviving being absorbed into a city.

    There are a number in London. Sadly, there is little sign that the planners of New Towns have learnt this lesson.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,186
    edited July 27
    Leon said:

    Home Secretary to make crowding more than 80 migrants into small boats a criminal offence
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14943741/yvette-cooper-overcrowding-small-boats.html

    It's just comical. How about "2"
    I am more and more convinced they are just using some crap open source LLM from 2023 for everything having not done anything work prior to getting into government.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,287

    Leon said:

    Home Secretary to make crowding more than 80 migrants into small boats a criminal offence
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14943741/yvette-cooper-overcrowding-small-boats.html

    It's just comical. How about "2"
    IIRC crowding more paying passengers onto a boat than it is designed for is already a criminal offence.

    With unlimited fines. Again, IIRC
    Suppose the question is- can you prove that they are paying passengers? (See the old "honesty box/raffle ticket" approaches to unlicenced speakeasies for good causes back in the day.) Whereas counting people on the boat is more unambiguous.

    It sounds Lilliputian, but if it helps, it helps.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,554

    Leon said:

    Home Secretary to make crowding more than 80 migrants into small boats a criminal offence
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14943741/yvette-cooper-overcrowding-small-boats.html

    It's just comical. How about "2"
    I am more and more convinced they are just using some crap open source LLM from 2023 for everything having not done anything work prior to getting into government.
    I am increasingly convinced they are all working for Farage
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,964

    Leon said:

    Home Secretary to make crowding more than 80 migrants into small boats a criminal offence
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14943741/yvette-cooper-overcrowding-small-boats.html

    It's just comical. How about "2"
    IIRC crowding more paying passengers onto a boat than it is designed for is already a criminal offence.

    With unlimited fines. Again, IIRC
    Suppose the question is- can you prove that they are paying passengers? (See the old "honesty box/raffle ticket" approaches to unlicenced speakeasies for good causes back in the day.) Whereas counting people on the boat is more unambiguous.

    It sounds Lilliputian, but if it helps, it helps.
    The Victorians (under whom such laws were introduced) had no problem nailing people for this.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,996
    Andy_JS said:

    England to win.

    England to win the cricket, the football or the darts?

    Actually we probably will win the World Matchplay darts since Luke Littler and James Wade are both English.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,658

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    FPT:

    I have decided that Zia Yusuf reminds me a bit of J D Vance. Impressive, hungry, but punchy, and a bit of a loose canon.

    I feel that Reform would be safer with Suella and her husband balancing out the top team. But Zia obviously saw to that challenge by going after them (quite unfairly) over Afghanistan.

    I'm interested what do you see in JD Vance? I think the best British comparison for him is perhaps Jenrick.
    I am not sure Jenrick, the son of a FD / MD of various companies with a comfortable upbringing is a good comparison to J D Vance.
    Compare their political flexibility over the last decade, and their entirely tactical political stances?
    Has Jenrick showed political flexibility? As far I was aware he has been on the right of the Tory party, the only difference in the past year is he has got on the old Monjargo and upped his social media game.
    Longer term he has completely changed his spots. He was an ardent remainer when elected, and known as "Robert Generic" because he was so moderate.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/aug/09/how-did-robert-jenrick-go-from-centrist-tory-to-anti-immigration-hardliner

    Vance was a never-Trumper, who is now a Trump-fluffer, including justifying the craziest of Trump's policies.

    To me the main conclusion there is that they are unpredictable.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,996
    More sport: today sees the final round of the Scottish Women's Open and the only golf news concerns some old boy who has got the American taxpayer to advertise his golf course.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512

    MattW said:

    Barnesian said:

    I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith.
    They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs.
    Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus.

    My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).

    What's easy walking distance in metres (or yards), or time?
    It must be different when you live in a village, but to me a pub is a social centre for people to meet and socialise. Also somewhere to go for an informal meal. I assume it’s different in the city, but I would hate to live in the city. Our village pub charges £3.75 for a pint of real ale. I would expect to pay double that in the city. When a pub charges more that a fiver a pint we call it Glasgow prices.
    Wait until you see Edinburgh prices.
    Which are, basically, London prices.
    I had a pint and fish and chips for under £10 in the Standing Order in Edinburgh last month. A good Spoons if you find yourself there.
    A former bank, going by the name. High street banks, jumpers for goalposts. Which illustrates another phenomenon, closing pubs where people live and work and opening them where they shop.
    Online?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,993
    Spain 1996 - Damon Hill said a lot of the drivers thought the conditions were too poor to race in. Bernie walks along the grid at 13:50 and tells the drivers that the race is starting at 14:00 - "get in your cars".

    The top of Eau Rouge is dangerous in the dry. The tarmac runoff area is a disgrace. The rain doesn't make it any less safe.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    FPT:

    I have decided that Zia Yusuf reminds me a bit of J D Vance. Impressive, hungry, but punchy, and a bit of a loose canon.

    I feel that Reform would be safer with Suella and her husband balancing out the top team. But Zia obviously saw to that challenge by going after them (quite unfairly) over Afghanistan.

    I'm interested what do you see in JD Vance? I think the best British comparison for him is perhaps Jenrick.
    I am not sure Jenrick, the son of a FD / MD of various companies with a comfortable upbringing is a good comparison to J D Vance.
    Compare their political flexibility over the last decade, and their entirely tactical political stances?
    Has Jenrick showed political flexibility? As far I was aware he has been on the right of the Tory party, the only difference in the past year is he has got on the old Monjargo and upped his social media game.
    Longer term he has completely changed his spots. He was an ardent remainer when elected, and known as "Robert Generic" because he was so moderate.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/aug/09/how-did-robert-jenrick-go-from-centrist-tory-to-anti-immigration-hardliner

    Vance was a never-Trumper, who is now a Trump-fluffer, including justifying the craziest of Trump's policies.

    To me the main conclusion there is that they are unpredictable.
    To me the main conclusion is they will do and say absolutely anything they think will advance their careers.

    Like the Vicar of Bray only with actual power.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,586
    I said England needed 700.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,270
    edited July 27

    Watching Trump playing an iron shot off the fairway apron at Turnberry. He's got a horrible "snatchy" style of swing. He reads a put well mind.

    He has a terrible swing with head up and I have no idea how he hits a ball

    It was comical how Sky showed his tee shot yesterday then it appears he had to play another ball repeatedly adding 1,3,5,7,9 off the tee but it wa just Sky repeating the same shot
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,494

    More sport: today sees the final round of the Scottish Women's Open and the only golf news concerns some old boy who has got the American taxpayer to advertise his golf course.

    Unless the US treasury is paying for massively increased policing & security in North Britain, I’m pretty sure we’re on the hook for some of the advertising budget.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,356
    MattW said:

    I agree with Kemi but I reckon the police should go full Orgreave on striking doctors.

    Badenoch: Tories will ban doctor strikes

    Conservative Party leader says BMA is ‘out of control’ and that current industrial action ‘is going too far’


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/27/kemi-badenoch-tories-will-ban-doctor-strikes/

    Is it me, or is Kemi becoming quite Servalan?
    She wishes...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,192

    I agree with Kemi but I reckon the police should go full Orgreave on striking doctors.

    Badenoch: Tories will ban doctor strikes

    Conservative Party leader says BMA is ‘out of control’ and that current industrial action ‘is going too far’


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/27/kemi-badenoch-tories-will-ban-doctor-strikes/

    All these things that the Tories say they will do, that they couldn't be arsed doing when they were the government for 14 years.

    As for the recently qualified doctors, if they thought that the pay was shite*, why did they go to Med School?

    Of course, the pay isn't shite; they are on a conveyor belt to a six figure salary.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,356
    Those of you who are interested in Christian Nationalism in the US, you may enjoy this video from the YouTuber MrBeat (not MrBeast!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfmEll6-sBY (20 mins)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,494
    Andy_JS said:
    Healey means ready to scamper after Big Daddy Trump if he decides this is a foreign war he wants to expend US blood and treasure upon. If the whim meister goes the other way, so will we.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,996
    Andy_JS said:
    Oh FFS. How? We can't even stop Chinese hackers infiltrating our infrastructure, let alone Chinese warships. And has anyone told the keyboard warrior-in-chief that we have recently signed a trade deal with China?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,262
    Leon said:

    Home Secretary to make crowding more than 80 migrants into small boats a criminal offence
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14943741/yvette-cooper-overcrowding-small-boats.html

    It's just comical. How about "2"
    I get the feeling that the Home Office Spads are now just trolling her. She must have cancelled their summer hols - or something.

    It is the silly season though.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 111

    BBC News - Pubs and venues to be protected from noise complaints
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwye5jx8y3go

    I am not sure that is the key issue why there are less boozers every year.....

    They are dropping like flies, particularly in rural areas.

    One thing which helps save them is catering, pub/restaurants seem to be faring better than traditional boozers, which are shutting shop
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,996

    I agree with Kemi but I reckon the police should go full Orgreave on striking doctors.

    Badenoch: Tories will ban doctor strikes

    Conservative Party leader says BMA is ‘out of control’ and that current industrial action ‘is going too far’


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/27/kemi-badenoch-tories-will-ban-doctor-strikes/

    All these things that the Tories say they will do, that they couldn't be arsed doing when they were the government for 14 years.

    As for the recently qualified doctors, if they thought that the pay was shite*, why did they go to Med School?

    Of course, the pay isn't shite; they are on a conveyor belt to a six figure salary.
    A lot of the junior doctors' anger, or rather depression, is due to non-financial causes like massive student debt (since their courses are longer than most students'), lack of training places, very short notice of training place allocation so they are forced to rent flats halfway across the country at only a few days' notice, lower priority than foreign medics (although the government is said to be fixing this) and thanks to Jeremy Hunt, having to work 7-days a week even if the chances of someone needing an emergency botox top-up are minimal.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,586

    Andy_JS said:
    Oh FFS. How? We can't even stop Chinese hackers infiltrating our infrastructure, let alone Chinese warships. And has anyone told the keyboard warrior-in-chief that we have recently signed a trade deal with China?
    Agree. We can't do the basics at home, but we want to get involved in conflicts on the other side of the world. Ridiculous.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,964

    I agree with Kemi but I reckon the police should go full Orgreave on striking doctors.

    Badenoch: Tories will ban doctor strikes

    Conservative Party leader says BMA is ‘out of control’ and that current industrial action ‘is going too far’


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/27/kemi-badenoch-tories-will-ban-doctor-strikes/

    All these things that the Tories say they will do, that they couldn't be arsed doing when they were the government for 14 years.

    As for the recently qualified doctors, if they thought that the pay was shite*, why did they go to Med School?

    Of course, the pay isn't shite; they are on a conveyor belt to a six figure salary.
    A lot of the junior doctors' anger, or rather depression, is due to non-financial causes like massive student debt (since their courses are longer than most students'), lack of training places, very short notice of training place allocation so they are forced to rent flats halfway across the country at only a few days' notice, lower priority than foreign medics (although the government is said to be fixing this) and thanks to Jeremy Hunt, having to work 7-days a week even if the chances of someone needing an emergency botox top-up are minimal.
    It’s almost as if there is a linkage between treating your staff to 1950s employment conditions and getting 1950s industrial relations.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,432
    If the chart in this Wikipedia article is correct, 1972 is the last year the UK had a TFR above 2.1. (The US managed that more recently.)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_Kingdom

    (One thing that has interested me for years is the remarkable TFR variation from year to year in both the UK and the US. That suggests to me that the common long term explanations for the decline are incomplete. It would be interesting to see if, for example, changes in morale would help explain those short term variations.)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,586
    edited July 27

    If the chart in this Wikipedia article is correct, 1972 is the last year the UK had a TFR above 2.1. (The US managed that more recently.)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_Kingdom

    (One thing that has interested me for years is the remarkable TFR variation from year to year in both the UK and the US. That suggests to me that the common long term explanations for the decline are incomplete. It would be interesting to see if, for example, changes in morale would help explain those short term variations.)

    The figures for any particular year are probably not particularly reliable to 2 or even 1 decimal place.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,194
    MattW said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    I have noted a thing that seems to be uniting the lefties and right wing tw@tterai, moaning about the online safety bill.

    Yes, universal loathing, and with justification

    How did the Tories create something this monstrous? Allowing Labour to censor the entire internet?

    It’s yet another reason to vote Reform
    It's getting hard(arf) to look at porn now.

    It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.


    Bit of rain in the air.

    It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.


    I'm bored.

    It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.

    Etc.
    I've yet to find ANY reason, good or otherwise, to vote Reform.
    In charge their bubble will burst even quicker than Labours has. Sadly the electorate will just move on to the next charlatan offering simplistic solutions.
    Not necessarily, they'll probably tack to the centre once in government like Fash Karen's mob, Fratelli d'Italia.

    Also, they will have a lot on entryists at the next GE with no particular ideological attachment to their retarded platform. If you were an individual with an appetite for politics then the Fukkers are the hot ticket right now. If you become a Fukker MP then a great deal of your competition for PPS roles, ministries, cabinet, etc. are going to be lard brained nativists in Adidas trakkies. So, they'll campaign in turquoise and govern in grey.
    I don't see any reason why the current crumbling 'centre' would be an attractive place to tack to. Most centrist policies just aren't very good. I don't see why a Government unburdened by any sort mandate for them would be compelled to adopt them. Why would Reform suddenly decide they like Net Zero? Or high immigration? They will be glad to be shot of them, as will most other people.
    I'm sceptical. Reform would suddenly decide things because they are in the main a political-marketing operation, and don't have much of an ideology. Someone might give them some money, and they would change their spots.

    In 2021 still as Reform, in their Senedd manifesto they talked about "a net-zero carbon future", supported remote working, and that solar and wind power had a place. *

    What changed? Fossil fuel interests gave them several million ££, and now it's "Net Stupid Zero".

    * Here's the document. See Chapter 8.:
    https://manifesto.deryn.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Reform-UK-Wales-Senedd-2021-Contract-with-the-People-of-Wales-2.pdf

    Innovation and technology will be the key to deliver a net-zero carbon future. We believe that scientists, engineers, and politicians need to work smartly together.

    Everyone in Wales needs to do their bit. Government needs to support communities to change how we travel, shop and heat our homes. We can embrace the opportunities offered by the shift towards more remote working through the pandemic to reduce unnecessary commuting. Not everyone wants to, or has the space to work from home, and we support creating local hubs, where people can still socially interact without the need to travel.

    The shift towards electric cars is a key feature of reducing the impact on the environment. The demand for electricity will rise significantly to power these vehicles and we need to focus on how we generate this electricity by increasing how much electricity comes from renewable sources. Wind turbines and solar panels will play a part, but the sun doesn’t always shine, and the wind doesn’t always blow, but the tide will always ebb and flow.
    Your argument is illogical - if Reform are a creature of whoever funds them, and 'fossil fuel interests' have first dibs, why would they change that stance once in power?

    Even in the document you post, they are highlighting the unreliability of wind and solar probably as much as was politically possible in 2021, which was a very different world. I also thought/think local working hubs are a good idea, and I also support tidal.

    Everyone thinks that I and other energy realists have a strange aversion to things that don't belch out carbon - I don't. I have an aversion to the bill-payer being taken for a ride because their money is hosed at ineffective and unreliable forms of power generation that are simply there to farm subsidies.
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,534

    Home Secretary to make crowding more than 80 migrants into small boats a criminal offence
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14943741/yvette-cooper-overcrowding-small-boats.html

    Again, they are doing "something". But that something won't have any effect.

    They know it, we know the migrants know it
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,194
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    FPT:

    I have decided that Zia Yusuf reminds me a bit of J D Vance. Impressive, hungry, but punchy, and a bit of a loose canon.

    I feel that Reform would be safer with Suella and her husband balancing out the top team. But Zia obviously saw to that challenge by going after them (quite unfairly) over Afghanistan.

    I'm interested what do you see in JD Vance? I think the best British comparison for him is perhaps Jenrick.
    I am not sure Jenrick, the son of a FD / MD of various companies with a comfortable upbringing is a good comparison to J D Vance.
    Compare their political flexibility over the last decade, and their entirely tactical political stances?
    Has Jenrick showed political flexibility? As far I was aware he has been on the right of the Tory party, the only difference in the past year is he has got on the old Monjargo and upped his social media game.
    Longer term he has completely changed his spots. He was an ardent remainer when elected, and known as "Robert Generic" because he was so moderate.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/aug/09/how-did-robert-jenrick-go-from-centrist-tory-to-anti-immigration-hardliner

    Vance was a never-Trumper, who is now a Trump-fluffer, including justifying the craziest of Trump's policies.

    To me the main conclusion there is that they are unpredictable.
    To answer Matt W's question which I missed, I don't see anything in him (Vance) really. I have no firm opinions either way.

    I just find the two figures somewhat similar.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,983
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    BBC News - Pubs and venues to be protected from noise complaints
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwye5jx8y3go

    I am not sure that is the key issue why there are less boozers every year.....

    It's certainly not - it's one of those social and cultural changes which has gone under the radar over the past 50 years or so. IN my part of East London, the traditional pub on every corner is now a corner shop where you can of course buy alcohol if you want.

    I like pubs but the pubs I like have good food including a decent breakfast, comfortable seats and room to spread the Racing Post to mull over the day's equine entertainment. If I were in New Zealand, it would have a TAB (Tote) counter where I can place my bets and watch the races (pub meets betting shop). I'm not interested in ales with Dickensian names or any of that nonsense nor do I want a pub that's a night club by any other name or some venue on folk tryout night.

    Fewer and better would be my conclusion on pubs these days - I also have to say the biggest revolution has been in the quality of pub food and I don't just mean the gastropub.
    As well as social change, the big killer is ever higher turn over taxes which they can't escape, and of course cost of living / inflation it very expensive to go for a pint even of coke cola.


    Sunday lunch in a pub for 4 now can easily set you back £100-150 now without drinking.
    Tax and inflation was higher in the 1970s than now and more had more children still
    Not sure what that has to do with pubs, but go and have a look how much a pint cost in the 70s in today's money...hint it wasn't £8-10.
    I had a pint for £2.60 yesterday.

    And one for £1.60 last week (Wetherspoons).

    While in today's Times:

    Let us switch from Tesco to Ocado and upgrade our weekly shop to £80. Instead of one bottle of wine a week, we order two OK-ish ones (£25) and get at least three drinks at a pub (£15).

    You can get better than OKish wine for less than £5 (when bought on the regular offers) at supermarkets.

    The relative cost of drinking in different parts of the country seems more unreal than the housing costs do.
    You cannot get "better than OKish" wine for under £5 a bottle from a supermarket
    Try McGuigan's black label, especially the merlot and pinot.

    Better than Okish for everyday drinking - even if you prefer something different for special occasions.

    Of course there are people who will boast about drinking far more expensive wine without being able to tell the difference between that and a £5 bottle.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,658

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    Andy_JS said:

    Barnesian said:

    I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith.
    They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs.
    Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus.

    My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).

    Barnes is a lovely place, but is there anywhere less representative of the rest of the country.
    It’s an example of a village surviving being absorbed into a city.

    There are a number in London. Sadly, there is little sign that the planners of New Towns have learnt this lesson.
    That's a really interesting question.

    Part of the answer is building new towns as a collection of villages.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,336
    Battlebus said:

    Leon said:

    Home Secretary to make crowding more than 80 migrants into small boats a criminal offence
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14943741/yvette-cooper-overcrowding-small-boats.html

    It's just comical. How about "2"
    I get the feeling that the Home Office Spads are now just trolling her. She must have cancelled their summer hols - or something.

    It is the silly season though.
    Ridiculous, the boat should meet the requirements of CE category C and not be loaded beyond the certified passenger limit. Might as well use the existing regulations.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512
    India batting very comfortably here, and Joe Root bowling suggests Stokes is out of ideas.

    Draw surely hot favourite.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,194
    ...
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,336

    Watching Trump playing an iron shot off the fairway apron at Turnberry. He's got a horrible "snatchy" style of swing. He reads a put well mind.

    He has a terrible swing with head up and I have no idea how he hits a ball

    It was comical how Sky showed his tee shot yesterday then it appears he had to play another ball repeatedly adding 1,3,5,7,9 off the tee but it wa just Sky repeating the same shot
    I thought he was renowned for playing his partner's ball? So it doesn't really matter how bad his swing is...
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 111

    Australian twitter is still moaning about the rugby from yesterday....27 angles of the final clear out, 100,000s of pixels detailing all the subsubsection of the rules book that should have been considered by the ref...and they call us whinging poms.

    They won't mind reviewing all the contentious decisions from the 2015 rugby world cup QF then (ha)
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,262
    edited July 27

    I agree with Kemi but I reckon the police should go full Orgreave on striking doctors.

    Badenoch: Tories will ban doctor strikes

    Conservative Party leader says BMA is ‘out of control’ and that current industrial action ‘is going too far’


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/27/kemi-badenoch-tories-will-ban-doctor-strikes/

    All these things that the Tories say they will do, that they couldn't be arsed doing when they were the government for 14 years.

    As for the recently qualified doctors, if they thought that the pay was shite*, why did they go to Med School?

    Of course, the pay isn't shite; they are on a conveyor belt to a six figure salary.
    A lot of the junior doctors' anger, or rather depression, is due to non-financial causes like massive student debt (since their courses are longer than most students'), lack of training places, very short notice of training place allocation so they are forced to rent flats halfway across the country at only a few days' notice, lower priority than foreign medics (although the government is said to be fixing this) and thanks to Jeremy Hunt, having to work 7-days a week even if the chances of someone needing an emergency botox top-up are minimal.
    A nephew is a JD and it's the training contracts/short-notice that is the main bugbear. The importation of foreign medics is a necessary short-term solution but the whole issue is the NHS has been run on short-term solutions for so long, it's dysfunctional.

    There is a lot of evidence to suggest large parts of UK industry is similarly dysfunctional relying that it does on imported labour and subsidies. Perhaps we need to bin FPTP and go for AV? ;)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,186
    edited July 27
    ydoethur said:

    India batting very comfortably here, and Joe Root bowling suggests Stokes is out of ideas.

    Draw surely hot favourite.

    You know they are really out of idea when they bowl 10 overs of bumpers with a 50 over old ball that is soft as a pudding
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    ydoethur said:

    India batting very comfortably here, and Joe Root bowling suggests Stokes is out of ideas.

    Draw surely hot favourite.

    It is. 1-3 on.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,751

    Stats for Lefties 🍉🏳️‍⚧️
    @LeftieStats
    ·
    47m
    🗳️ 18-24 poll average (with Corbyn party):

    🟣 JCP – 27% (+27)
    🔴 LAB – 23% (-18)
    ➡️ REF – 18% (+10)
    🟢 GRN – 13% (-7)
    🟠 LD – 11% (-5)
    🔵 CON – 5% (-)

    +/- vs GE2024

    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1949418305430921557

    At least 63% supporting the left, 74% if you count the Lib Dem. @Leon: “the young are now all right wing”.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    Are we going to be able to take 60 wickets from 3 of the 5 matches in Oz
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,186
    edited July 27
    Pulpstar said:

    Are we going to be able to take 60 wickets from 3 of the 5 matches in Oz

    Not with an attack of Carse and Woakes. Stokes will have to bowl 400 overs in order to get the wickets and end up in a wheelchair.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512
    Pulpstar said:

    Are we going to be able to take 60 wickets from 3 of the 5 matches in Oz

    No.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,983
    Dopermean said:

    Watching Trump playing an iron shot off the fairway apron at Turnberry. He's got a horrible "snatchy" style of swing. He reads a put well mind.

    He has a terrible swing with head up and I have no idea how he hits a ball

    It was comical how Sky showed his tee shot yesterday then it appears he had to play another ball repeatedly adding 1,3,5,7,9 off the tee but it wa just Sky repeating the same shot
    I thought he was renowned for playing his partner's ball? So it doesn't really matter how bad his swing is...
    Trump's version of Fourballs is he always plays the best placed ball.

    Its maybe why he thinks he wins tournaments.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    edited July 27
    What is the point of the wet tyres in F1 ? Condom vending machine in the Vatican would see more use.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,186
    edited July 27

    Dopermean said:

    Watching Trump playing an iron shot off the fairway apron at Turnberry. He's got a horrible "snatchy" style of swing. He reads a put well mind.

    He has a terrible swing with head up and I have no idea how he hits a ball

    It was comical how Sky showed his tee shot yesterday then it appears he had to play another ball repeatedly adding 1,3,5,7,9 off the tee but it wa just Sky repeating the same shot
    I thought he was renowned for playing his partner's ball? So it doesn't really matter how bad his swing is...
    Trump's version of Fourballs is he always plays the best placed ball.

    Its maybe why he thinks he wins tournaments.
    Greensomes i.e. you always play the best ball, is widely chosen as the variety of game when gambling on golf. Also keeps the game moving fast (by standards of golf).
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874

    Pulpstar said:

    Are we going to be able to take 60 wickets from 3 of the 5 matches in Oz

    Not with an attack of Carse and Woakes. Stokes will have to bowl 400 overs in order to get the wickets and end up in a wheelchair.
    For ages our bowling attack looked great with a shaky batting lineup. Other way round now lol
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,186
    edited July 27
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Are we going to be able to take 60 wickets from 3 of the 5 matches in Oz

    Not with an attack of Carse and Woakes. Stokes will have to bowl 400 overs in order to get the wickets and end up in a wheelchair.
    For ages our bowling attack looked great with a shaky batting lineup. Other way round now lol
    I don't know. Anderson was in the team for probably 2 more years than he should just because whenever they tried anybody else e.g. Overton, Potts, Robinson, they just weren't up to it.

    Broad and Anderson papered over a lot of cracks.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,993
    Pulpstar said:

    What is the point of the wet tyres in F1 ? Condom vending machine in the Vatican would see more use.

    This issue goes back as far as Fuji 2007:

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/tyre-confusion-costs-ferrari-at-fuji-4413409/4413409/

    Both Raikkonen and teammate Felipe Massa started the race on intermediates, but the FIA had asked teams to start on full wets given the poor track conditions.

    The race start took place behind the safety car and Raikkonen and Massa were forced to pit to change tyres, dropping from third and fourth to the back of the field.


    And at Silverstone 2012, Ferrari sent their cars out on inters in Q2 of qualifying. That was the wrong call, and as the rain continued, it was clear that they'd missed the boat. But, naturally, someone decided to red flag the session in the name of safety. And, of course, the session didn't restart until it was conveniently dry enough for inters.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,586
    edited July 27
    Ridiculous to read negative comments about England's performance. They're going into the final match 2-1 up at worst.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Are we going to be able to take 60 wickets from 3 of the 5 matches in Oz

    Not with an attack of Carse and Woakes. Stokes will have to bowl 400 overs in order to get the wickets and end up in a wheelchair.
    For ages our bowling attack looked great with a shaky batting lineup. Other way round now lol
    I don't know. Anderson was in the team for probably 2 more years than he should just because whenever they tried anybody else e.g. Overton, Potts, Robinson, they just weren't up to it.

    Broad and Anderson papered over a lot of cracks.
    Broad, Anderson, Woakes (Back when he had pace), Stokes. Never had a tier 1 world class spinner since probably Swann but the attack was previously better.
    Now Broad and Jimmy retired, Woakes is a medium pacer and Stokes carrying far too much tbh
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,964
    MattW said:

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    Andy_JS said:

    Barnesian said:

    I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith.
    They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs.
    Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus.

    My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).

    Barnes is a lovely place, but is there anywhere less representative of the rest of the country.
    It’s an example of a village surviving being absorbed into a city.

    There are a number in London. Sadly, there is little sign that the planners of New Towns have learnt this lesson.
    That's a really interesting question.

    Part of the answer is building new towns as a collection of villages.
    I think so, yes. When you look at the really high value areas (where people pay a fortune to live) they combine the village feel (to an extent), with linkage to rest of a big city.

    So a network of villages integrated to a larger framework by transport.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,186
    edited July 27
    Nigelb said:
    Harsh ChatGPT written tweets from Keir ?

    Stop that now China....the Coalition of the Willing will ensure that....International Law is followed....or will we proposed a motion at the UN.

    DM....to China...we don't mean it really, please don't cut us off from all the things we depend on you for...Thanks.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,983

    Dopermean said:

    Watching Trump playing an iron shot off the fairway apron at Turnberry. He's got a horrible "snatchy" style of swing. He reads a put well mind.

    He has a terrible swing with head up and I have no idea how he hits a ball

    It was comical how Sky showed his tee shot yesterday then it appears he had to play another ball repeatedly adding 1,3,5,7,9 off the tee but it wa just Sky repeating the same shot
    I thought he was renowned for playing his partner's ball? So it doesn't really matter how bad his swing is...
    Trump's version of Fourballs is he always plays the best placed ball.

    Its maybe why he thinks he wins tournaments.
    Greensomes i.e. you always play the best ball, is widely chosen as the variety of game when gambling on golf. Also keeps the game moving fast (by standards of golf).
    It would be even faster to go to a putting green.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,186
    Another 50 for Jadeja....that Root drop was very costly.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,983
    Nigelb said:
    We could send all those Afghan 'special forces' we've given asylum to.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,964
    Pulpstar said:

    What is the point of the wet tyres in F1 ? Condom vending machine in the Vatican would see more use.

    {Cesare Borgia has entered the chat}
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512

    Pulpstar said:

    What is the point of the wet tyres in F1 ? Condom vending machine in the Vatican would see more use.

    {Cesare Borgia has entered the chat}
    The whole point was he didn't use condoms!
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,683
    Andy_JS said:

    Ridiculous to read negative comments about England's performance. They're going into the final match 2-1 up at worst.

    I, and I think a lot of others on here, would have been very pleased to take 2-1 going into the last test, at the start of the series. However we have been very poor since yesterday lunchtime and have rarely looked like taking a wicket. India have played well and fought hard of course.

    The momentum is now with India for the final test and we will do well to hold on to the series win.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,967

    Nigelb said:
    We could send all those Afghan 'special forces' we've given asylum to.
    And their huge extended families.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,967
    Andy_JS said:
    Why should we ?

    Do we hade a treaty obligation ?

    If not then why bother ? We won’t fight for Ukraine.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,964
    ydoethur said:

    Pulpstar said:

    What is the point of the wet tyres in F1 ? Condom vending machine in the Vatican would see more use.

    {Cesare Borgia has entered the chat}
    The whole point was he didn't use condoms!
    I’d bet that if he was bought back to life today, and was given the medical facts, he’d have been pounding on the Vatican condom machines….
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,850
    Draw
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,850
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Oh FFS. How? We can't even stop Chinese hackers infiltrating our infrastructure, let alone Chinese warships. And has anyone told the keyboard warrior-in-chief that we have recently signed a trade deal with China?
    Agree. We can't do the basics at home, but we want to get involved in conflicts on the other side of the world. Ridiculous.
    We were one of the first out of the gates in the Korean War.

    Britain's welfare and prosperity depends on defending the rules-based international order. Wherever in the world it is challenged.
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