I am not sure that is the key issue why there are less boozers every year.....
It's certainly not - it's one of those social and cultural changes which has gone under the radar over the past 50 years or so. IN my part of East London, the traditional pub on every corner is now a corner shop where you can of course buy alcohol if you want.
I like pubs but the pubs I like have good food including a decent breakfast, comfortable seats and room to spread the Racing Post to mull over the day's equine entertainment. If I were in New Zealand, it would have a TAB (Tote) counter where I can place my bets and watch the races (pub meets betting shop). I'm not interested in ales with Dickensian names or any of that nonsense nor do I want a pub that's a night club by any other name or some venue on folk tryout night.
Fewer and better would be my conclusion on pubs these days - I also have to say the biggest revolution has been in the quality of pub food and I don't just mean the gastropub.
I agree. Between the price difference of pubs and off sales, and the preference for screen based lives over meeting in person pubs are facing an uphill battle. The best may well survive, but many won't.
Both the Jolly Farmer and Queens Head have shut near me in the last 6 months.
They are still struggling. HMG must make it easier for publicans.
A lot of it is cultural change. 30 years ago the pubs* near my hospital were full at going home time, and long into the evening. Most have now shut and as often as not the only survivor has only one or two customers when I go in. Slightly further off the Bricklayers is busy, with its West African menu and Afrobeat music nights. Quite good fun, but I do feel rather old there amongst the Nigerian students.
There were a half dozen, 2 actually owned by the hospital.
Given Leicester demographics, and Leicester hospital demographics, how much of that is due to ethnic communities increasing who do not frequent pubs?
It is noticeable that the busy pub is the one that recognises demographic change and adapted.
Its not just that the ethnic demography of hospital staff has changed, though that is certainly part of it, it is also that staff rarely live on site in doctors or nurses accommodation and probably most of all it is a change of attitude to getting pissed. Neither Doctors nor nurses drink as much as when arms Foxy and I were young.
In the early 90's I worked in a hospital where the community around it was very small So the pub relied on the trade from the hospital. Lunchtime the place was full of hospital staff. I'm afraid I was regarded as a bit of a killjoy, but I don't approve of drinking at lunchtime and I was used by the pharmacy management to discourage the junior staff from doing so.
Now I have some issues with some of the takes in this thread, but it does appear that the media haven't been 100% honest. The fact a sick kid hasn't got access to medication isn't something you can just wash over as the author of the thread does, but there is some additional context that has been missing.
Thank goodness there are trustworthy commentators like David Collier and Richard Kemp to tell us what’s REALLY happening in Gaza.
Well without David Collier we wouldn't have found out that the BBC documentary was a Hamas propaganda job. We now know the Ch4 one that the BBC passed on was also produced by a terrorist sympathiser.
I am well aware he is massively bias and have to be super careful. I don't like being lied to by the media though. They could have easily reported that picture with more context of this is a sick kid that isn't getting his medication because of Israel not providing aid.
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
The pubs by Hammersmith bridge are destination places. There are pubs a rock throw away that are empty - many have closed.
Now I have some issues with some of the takes in this thread, but it does appear that the media haven't been 100% honest. The fact a sick kid hasn't got access to medication isn't something you can just wash over as the author of the thread does, but there is some additional context that has been missing.
Thank goodness there are trustworthy commentators like David Collier and Richard Kemp to tell us what’s REALLY happening in Gaza.
Who knows exactly what is happening there ? No independent journalists are allowed access, and neither side in the conflict is a stranger to propaganda.
But I think we can quite reasonably infer, from the fact that the Israeli government opened the border with Egypt this morning, to allow in a food convoy, that they have been restricting the amount of aid into Gaza.
As Olmert said this morning, it is a mess. But as he also said, Israel controls Gaza, and it is entirely incumbent on them to ensure adequate humanitarian aid. They have plainly not been doing that.
Now I have some issues with some of the takes in this thread, but it does appear that the media haven't been 100% honest. The fact a sick kid hasn't got access to medication isn't something you can just wash over as the author of the thread does, but there is some additional context that has been missing.
Thank goodness there are trustworthy commentators like David Collier and Richard Kemp to tell us what’s REALLY happening in Gaza.
Well without David Collier we wouldn't have found out that the BBC documentary was a Hamas propaganda job.
I am well aware he is massively bias and have to be super careful. I don't like being lied to by the media though. They could have easily reported that picture with more context of this is a sick kid that isn't getting his medication because of Israel not providing aid.
We’ll have to differ on what a propaganda job is. The makers should have said one of the kids was the son of the under secretary for grass cutting but I don’t see what material difference that made to the actual film.
In any case you’d better let the IDF know. After weeks of saying there is no famine in Gaza but if any Gazan kid is feeling a bit peckish it’s all down to Hamas and the UN holding back aid, they’ve ’opened’ safe routes for aid to get in. Very soft hearted of them to allow this in an area that isn’t starving, oh no, definitely not.
Is there a spread on what time/date the first Gazan civilian is killed during the temporary tactical cease fire?
I am not sure that is the key issue why there are less boozers every year.....
It's certainly not - it's one of those social and cultural changes which has gone under the radar over the past 50 years or so. IN my part of East London, the traditional pub on every corner is now a corner shop where you can of course buy alcohol if you want.
I like pubs but the pubs I like have good food including a decent breakfast, comfortable seats and room to spread the Racing Post to mull over the day's equine entertainment. If I were in New Zealand, it would have a TAB (Tote) counter where I can place my bets and watch the races (pub meets betting shop). I'm not interested in ales with Dickensian names or any of that nonsense nor do I want a pub that's a night club by any other name or some venue on folk tryout night.
Fewer and better would be my conclusion on pubs these days - I also have to say the biggest revolution has been in the quality of pub food and I don't just mean the gastropub.
I agree. Between the price difference of pubs and off sales, and the preference for screen based lives over meeting in person pubs are facing an uphill battle. The best may well survive, but many won't.
Both the Jolly Farmer and Queens Head have shut near me in the last 6 months.
They are still struggling. HMG must make it easier for publicans.
A lot of it is cultural change. 30 years ago the pubs* near my hospital were full at going home time, and long into the evening. Most have now shut and as often as not the only survivor has only one or two customers when I go in. Slightly further off the Bricklayers is busy, with its West African menu and Afrobeat music nights. Quite good fun, but I do feel rather old there amongst the Nigerian students.
There were a half dozen, 2 actually owned by the hospital.
Given Leicester demographics, and Leicester hospital demographics, how much of that is due to ethnic communities increasing who do not frequent pubs?
It is noticeable that the busy pub is the one that recognises demographic change and adapted.
Its not just that the ethnic demography of hospital staff has changed, though that is certainly part of it, it is also that staff rarely live on site in doctors or nurses accommodation and probably most of all it is a change of attitude to getting pissed. Neither Doctors nor nurses drink as much as when arms Foxy and I were young.
In the early 90's I worked in a hospital where the community around it was very small So the pub relied on the trade from the hospital. Lunchtime the place was full of hospital staff. I'm afraid I was regarded as a bit of a killjoy, but I don't approve of drinking at lunchtime and I was used by the pharmacy management to discourage the junior staff from doing so.
When I worked in the NHS (as HR) lunchtime drinking was banned for admin staff as well as clinical
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
What's easy walking distance in metres (or yards), or time?
I've had major problems with my balance over the past few years, and they're worse since my cervical myelopathy operation. So the physio suggested I try and walk 1000 steps a day, admittedly with a walking aid. To and from the nearest pub is 500, according my pedometer. So, it's purely medicinal, honest!
(No, I don't, but there's amusement for my friends when I do turn up.)
Listen for the real message. He's telling you to go twice.
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
What's easy walking distance in metres (or yards), or time?
It must be different when you live in a village, but to me a pub is a social centre for people to meet and socialise. Also somewhere to go for an informal meal. I assume it’s different in the city, but I would hate to live in the city. Our village pub charges £3.75 for a pint of real ale. I would expect to pay double that in the city. When a pub charges more that a fiver a pint we call it Glasgow prices.
I have decided that Zia Yusuf reminds me a bit of J D Vance. Impressive, hungry, but punchy, and a bit of a loose canon.
I feel that Reform would be safer with Suella and her husband balancing out the top team. But Zia obviously saw to that challenge by going after them (quite unfairly) over Afghanistan.
I'm interested what do you see in JD Vance? I think the best British comparison for him is perhaps Jenrick.
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
Mate, I live in Camden. There are probably more pubs than anything else. As I type this I’m looking at the Edinboro Castle beer garden (a fine place)
The plethora of pubs here is not surprising. So many workers as was and now so many young people. It’s one reason I love it despite the “challenging” aspects
However what confounds me is the number of supermarkets. Within half a mile there is a
Co op Aldi Big M&S Tesco metro Huge Sainsbury’s Whole Foods
And a massive Morrisons just beyond
Yet now they are opening another Sainsbury’s. Big. On Parkway
What are the economics of this? Can anyone explain it? Can it just be for all the kids at the market?
I have decided that Zia Yusuf reminds me a bit of J D Vance. Impressive, hungry, but punchy, and a bit of a loose canon.
I feel that Reform would be safer with Suella and her husband balancing out the top team. But Zia obviously saw to that challenge by going after them (quite unfairly) over Afghanistan.
I'm interested what do you see in JD Vance? I think the best British comparison for him is perhaps Jenrick.
I am not sure Jenrick, the son of a FD / MD of various companies with a comfortable upbringing is a good comparison to J D Vance.
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
Mate, I live in Camden. There are probably more pubs than anything else. As I type this I’m looking at the Edinboro Castle beer garden (a fine place)
The plethora of pubs here is not surprising. So many workers as was and now so many young people. It’s one reason I love it despite the “challenging” aspects
However what confounds me is the number of supermarkets. Within half a mile there is a
Co op Aldi Big M&S Tesco metro Huge Sainsbury’s Whole Foods
And a massive Morrisons just beyond
Yet now they are opening another Sainsbury’s. Big. On Parkway
What are the economics of this? Can anyone explain it? Can it just be for all the kids at the market?
Population growth? Everybody has to eat, even those immigrants living 16 to a house working 16hrs a day as delivery riders. It is why supermarkets have claimed the UK population is significantly higher than official stats as they know exactly how much food they sell every year.
I am not sure that is the key issue why there are less boozers every year.....
It's certainly not - it's one of those social and cultural changes which has gone under the radar over the past 50 years or so. IN my part of East London, the traditional pub on every corner is now a corner shop where you can of course buy alcohol if you want.
I like pubs but the pubs I like have good food including a decent breakfast, comfortable seats and room to spread the Racing Post to mull over the day's equine entertainment. If I were in New Zealand, it would have a TAB (Tote) counter where I can place my bets and watch the races (pub meets betting shop). I'm not interested in ales with Dickensian names or any of that nonsense nor do I want a pub that's a night club by any other name or some venue on folk tryout night.
Fewer and better would be my conclusion on pubs these days - I also have to say the biggest revolution has been in the quality of pub food and I don't just mean the gastropub.
I agree. Between the price difference of pubs and off sales, and the preference for screen based lives over meeting in person pubs are facing an uphill battle. The best may well survive, but many won't.
Both the Jolly Farmer and Queens Head have shut near me in the last 6 months.
They are still struggling. HMG must make it easier for publicans.
A lot of it is cultural change. 30 years ago the pubs* near my hospital were full at going home time, and long into the evening. Most have now shut and as often as not the only survivor has only one or two customers when I go in. Slightly further off the Bricklayers is busy, with its West African menu and Afrobeat music nights. Quite good fun, but I do feel rather old there amongst the Nigerian students.
There were a half dozen, 2 actually owned by the hospital.
Given Leicester demographics, and Leicester hospital demographics, how much of that is due to ethnic communities increasing who do not frequent pubs?
It is noticeable that the busy pub is the one that recognises demographic change and adapted.
Its not just that the ethnic demography of hospital staff has changed, though that is certainly part of it, it is also that staff rarely live on site in doctors or nurses accommodation and probably most of all it is a change of attitude to getting pissed. Neither Doctors nor nurses drink as much as when arms Foxy and I were young.
In the early 90's I worked in a hospital where the community around it was very small So the pub relied on the trade from the hospital. Lunchtime the place was full of hospital staff. I'm afraid I was regarded as a bit of a killjoy, but I don't approve of drinking at lunchtime and I was used by the pharmacy management to discourage the junior staff from doing so.
When I worked in the NHS (as HR) lunchtime drinking was banned for admin staff as well as clinical
Yes, it's never been approved of, but after work it was very much accepted as part of working life.
I am sure that less tolerance of drink driving makes a difference too, one reason London pubs are still busy. More income, more young people and an easy ride home via Oystercard.
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
Mate, I live in Camden. There are probably more pubs than anything else. As I type this I’m looking at the Edinboro Castle beer garden (a fine place)
The plethora of pubs here is not surprising. So many workers as was and now so many young people. It’s one reason I love it despite the “challenging” aspects
However what confounds me is the number of supermarkets. Within half a mile there is a
Co op Aldi Big M&S Tesco metro Huge Sainsbury’s Whole Foods
And a massive Morrisons just beyond
Yet now they are opening another Sainsbury’s. Big. On Parkway
What are the economics of this? Can anyone explain it? Can it just be for all the kids at the market?
I am not sure that is the key issue why there are less boozers every year.....
It's certainly not - it's one of those social and cultural changes which has gone under the radar over the past 50 years or so. IN my part of East London, the traditional pub on every corner is now a corner shop where you can of course buy alcohol if you want.
I like pubs but the pubs I like have good food including a decent breakfast, comfortable seats and room to spread the Racing Post to mull over the day's equine entertainment. If I were in New Zealand, it would have a TAB (Tote) counter where I can place my bets and watch the races (pub meets betting shop). I'm not interested in ales with Dickensian names or any of that nonsense nor do I want a pub that's a night club by any other name or some venue on folk tryout night.
Fewer and better would be my conclusion on pubs these days - I also have to say the biggest revolution has been in the quality of pub food and I don't just mean the gastropub.
I agree. Between the price difference of pubs and off sales, and the preference for screen based lives over meeting in person pubs are facing an uphill battle. The best may well survive, but many won't.
Both the Jolly Farmer and Queens Head have shut near me in the last 6 months.
They are still struggling. HMG must make it easier for publicans.
A lot of it is cultural change. 30 years ago the pubs* near my hospital were full at going home time, and long into the evening. Most have now shut and as often as not the only survivor has only one or two customers when I go in. Slightly further off the Bricklayers is busy, with its West African menu and Afrobeat music nights. Quite good fun, but I do feel rather old there amongst the Nigerian students.
There were a half dozen, 2 actually owned by the hospital.
Given Leicester demographics, and Leicester hospital demographics, how much of that is due to ethnic communities increasing who do not frequent pubs?
It is noticeable that the busy pub is the one that recognises demographic change and adapted.
Its not just that the ethnic demography of hospital staff has changed, though that is certainly part of it, it is also that staff rarely live on site in doctors or nurses accommodation and probably most of all it is a change of attitude to getting pissed. Neither Doctors nor nurses drink as much as when arms Foxy and I were young.
In the early 90's I worked in a hospital where the community around it was very small So the pub relied on the trade from the hospital. Lunchtime the place was full of hospital staff. I'm afraid I was regarded as a bit of a killjoy, but I don't approve of drinking at lunchtime and I was used by the pharmacy management to discourage the junior staff from doing so.
When I worked in the NHS (as HR) lunchtime drinking was banned for admin staff as well as clinical
Yes, it's never been approved of, but after work it was very much accepted as part of working life.
I am sure that less tolerance of drink driving makes a difference too, one reason London pubs are still busy. More income, more young people and an easy ride home via Oystercard.
I was once, while working in a hospital, taken out to lunch by a rep who wanted to pick my brains (!) and he was most put out when I only drank sparkling water. Yes, my line manager knew about it.
I have noted a thing that seems to be uniting the lefties and right wing tw@tterai, moaning about the online safety bill.
Yes, universal loathing, and with justification
How did the Tories create something this monstrous? Allowing Labour to censor the entire internet?
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform
It's getting hard(arf) to look at porn now.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
Bit of rain in the air.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
I'm bored.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
Etc.
I've yet to find ANY reason, good or otherwise, to vote Reform.
In charge their bubble will burst even quicker than Labours has. Sadly the electorate will just move on to the next charlatan offering simplistic solutions.
I have noted a thing that seems to be uniting the lefties and right wing tw@tterai, moaning about the online safety bill.
Yes, universal loathing, and with justification
How did the Tories create something this monstrous? Allowing Labour to censor the entire internet?
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform
It's getting hard(arf) to look at porn now.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
Bit of rain in the air.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
I'm bored.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
Etc.
I've yet to find ANY reason, good or otherwise, to vote Reform.
In charge their bubble will burst even quicker than Labours has. Sadly the electorate will just move on to the next charlatan offering simplistic solutions.
I wonder how many different failed governments we will have to endure before voters wake up and realise our current way is not sustainable.
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
What's easy walking distance in metres (or yards), or time?
Eighteen within 30 minutes, or a mile and a half, or 3,000 steps.
There are nine within 15 minutes. Six of them on the towpath from the Old Ship to the Blue Boat.
I have noted a thing that seems to be uniting the lefties and right wing tw@tterai, moaning about the online safety bill.
Yes, universal loathing, and with justification
How did the Tories create something this monstrous? Allowing Labour to censor the entire internet?
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform
It's getting hard(arf) to look at porn now.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
Bit of rain in the air.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
I'm bored.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
Etc.
I've yet to find ANY reason, good or otherwise, to vote Reform.
In charge their bubble will burst even quicker than Labours has. Sadly the electorate will just move on to the next charlatan offering simplistic solutions.
I wonder how many different failed governments we will have to endure before voters wake up and realise our current way is not sustainable.
Eventually it will be taken out of the hands of the government of the day if we carry on the path of no growth / ever higher borrowing.
I have noted a thing that seems to be uniting the lefties and right wing tw@tterai, moaning about the online safety bill.
Yes, universal loathing, and with justification
How did the Tories create something this monstrous? Allowing Labour to censor the entire internet?
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform
It's getting hard(arf) to look at porn now.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
Bit of rain in the air.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
I'm bored.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
Etc.
I've yet to find ANY reason, good or otherwise, to vote Reform.
In charge their bubble will burst even quicker than Labours has. Sadly the electorate will just move on to the next charlatan offering simplistic solutions.
I wonder how many different failed governments we will have to endure before voters wake up and realise our current way is not sustainable.
It is quite possible we hit some good fortune down the line that improves things by chance and we can reset a bit. More likely we hit disaster at some point. Most likely managed decline for a couple of decades. At some point, probably in most peoples lifetimes I'd expect national governments to lose relevance to the big tech companies.
I have noted a thing that seems to be uniting the lefties and right wing tw@tterai, moaning about the online safety bill.
Yes, universal loathing, and with justification
How did the Tories create something this monstrous? Allowing Labour to censor the entire internet?
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform
It's getting hard(arf) to look at porn now.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
Bit of rain in the air.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
I'm bored.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
Etc.
I've yet to find ANY reason, good or otherwise, to vote Reform.
In charge their bubble will burst even quicker than Labours has. Sadly the electorate will just move on to the next charlatan offering simplistic solutions.
Not necessarily, they'll probably tack to the centre once in government like Fash Karen's mob, Fratelli d'Italia.
Also, they will have a lot on entryists at the next GE with no particular ideological attachment to their retarded platform. If you were an individual with an appetite for politics then the Fukkers are the hot ticket right now. If you become a Fukker MP then a great deal of your competition for PPS roles, ministries, cabinet, etc. are going to be lard brained nativists in Adidas trakkies. So, they'll campaign in turquoise and govern in grey.
I have noted a thing that seems to be uniting the lefties and right wing tw@tterai, moaning about the online safety bill.
Yes, universal loathing, and with justification
How did the Tories create something this monstrous? Allowing Labour to censor the entire internet?
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform
It's getting hard(arf) to look at porn now.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
Bit of rain in the air.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
I'm bored.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
Etc.
I've yet to find ANY reason, good or otherwise, to vote Reform.
In charge their bubble will burst even quicker than Labours has. Sadly the electorate will just move on to the next charlatan offering simplistic solutions.
Not necessarily, they'll probably tack to the centre once in government like Fash Karen's mob, Fratelli d'Italia.
Also, they will have a lot on entryists at the next GE with no particular ideological attachment to their retarded platform. If you were an individual with an appetite for politics then the Fukkers are the hot ticket right now. If you become a Fukker MP then a great deal of your competition for PPS roles, ministries, cabinet, etc. are going to be lard brained nativists in Adidas trakkies. So, they'll campaign in turquoise and govern in grey.
The things that bind them together, nostalgia, dislike of migration, experts and complexity work brilliantly in opposition but just don't hold in government. They don't have shared values on how to manage the NHS, schools or defence, nor how to raise taxes or cut spending. Beyond Farage there is a power vacuum dozens of new inexperienced MPs will be competing aggresively for. They have zero chance of running a successful government.
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
Mate, I live in Camden. There are probably more pubs than anything else. As I type this I’m looking at the Edinboro Castle beer garden (a fine place)
The plethora of pubs here is not surprising. So many workers as was and now so many young people. It’s one reason I love it despite the “challenging” aspects
However what confounds me is the number of supermarkets. Within half a mile there is a
Co op Aldi Big M&S Tesco metro Huge Sainsbury’s Whole Foods
And a massive Morrisons just beyond
Yet now they are opening another Sainsbury’s. Big. On Parkway
What are the economics of this? Can anyone explain it? Can it just be for all the kids at the market?
My local town used to have 14 pubs when I first moved here. Now has eight. Two have closed just in last six months. But it does have three micro-pubs. And a hell of a lot more eating places some of which will do a glass of wine with the meal etc. Must 3x the number of places to eat than a decade or two ago. I have no idea how they are all making money to be honest.
Feels like every other week there's another planning application for an eatery.
Maybe different generation would rather eat and have a glass or two of wine than sit in a pub and have cheese and onion sandwiches?
I have noted a thing that seems to be uniting the lefties and right wing tw@tterai, moaning about the online safety bill.
Yes, universal loathing, and with justification
How did the Tories create something this monstrous? Allowing Labour to censor the entire internet?
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform
It's getting hard(arf) to look at porn now.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
Bit of rain in the air.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
I'm bored.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
Etc.
I've yet to find ANY reason, good or otherwise, to vote Reform.
In charge their bubble will burst even quicker than Labours has. Sadly the electorate will just move on to the next charlatan offering simplistic solutions.
I wonder how many different failed governments we will have to endure before voters wake up and realise our current way is not sustainable.
It is quite possible we hit some good fortune down the line that improves things by chance and we can reset a bit. More likely we hit disaster at some point. Most likely managed decline for a couple of decades. At some point, probably in most peoples lifetimes I'd expect national governments to lose relevance to the big tech companies.
I don’t think that public opinion would turn, by itself, until the government hits default crisis.
When/if they do, the response will be to print money to keep the show on the road. They will get out of control, of course.
Argentina shows that a broken back economy can stagger on for a long long time.
Now I have some issues with some of the takes in this thread, but it does appear that the media haven't been 100% honest. The fact a sick kid hasn't got access to medication isn't something you can just wash over as the author of the thread does, but there is some additional context that has been missing.
Thank goodness there are trustworthy commentators like David Collier and Richard Kemp to tell us what’s REALLY happening in Gaza.
gotta love someone whose priority when hearing a news report about starving children is to try and do an inept fisk of the reporting
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
Mate, I live in Camden. There are probably more pubs than anything else. As I type this I’m looking at the Edinboro Castle beer garden (a fine place)
The plethora of pubs here is not surprising. So many workers as was and now so many young people. It’s one reason I love it despite the “challenging” aspects
However what confounds me is the number of supermarkets. Within half a mile there is a
Co op Aldi Big M&S Tesco metro Huge Sainsbury’s Whole Foods
And a massive Morrisons just beyond
Yet now they are opening another Sainsbury’s. Big. On Parkway
What are the economics of this? Can anyone explain it? Can it just be for all the kids at the market?
My local town used to have 14 pubs when I first moved here. Now has eight. Two have closed just in last six months. But it does have three micro-pubs. And a hell of a lot more eating places some of which will do a glass of wine with the meal etc. Must 3x the number of places to eat than a decade or two ago. I have no idea how they are all making money to be honest.
Feels like every other week there's another planning application for an eatery.
Maybe different generation would rather eat and have a glass or two of wine than sit in a pub and have cheese and onion sandwiches?
Many young people just don’t drink alcohol. Those that do, often drink to excess with cheap supermarket booze. For many of them, the pub isn’t relevant to their lives.
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
Mate, I live in Camden. There are probably more pubs than anything else. As I type this I’m looking at the Edinboro Castle beer garden (a fine place)
The plethora of pubs here is not surprising. So many workers as was and now so many young people. It’s one reason I love it despite the “challenging” aspects
However what confounds me is the number of supermarkets. Within half a mile there is a
Co op Aldi Big M&S Tesco metro Huge Sainsbury’s Whole Foods
And a massive Morrisons just beyond
Yet now they are opening another Sainsbury’s. Big. On Parkway
What are the economics of this? Can anyone explain it? Can it just be for all the kids at the market?
My local town used to have 14 pubs when I first moved here. Now has eight. Two have closed just in last six months. But it does have three micro-pubs. And a hell of a lot more eating places some of which will do a glass of wine with the meal etc. Must 3x the number of places to eat than a decade or two ago. I have no idea how they are all making money to be honest.
Feels like every other week there's another planning application for an eatery.
Maybe different generation would rather eat and have a glass or two of wine than sit in a pub and have cheese and onion sandwiches?
Many young people just don’t drink alcohol. Those that do, often drink to excess with cheap supermarket booze. For many of them, the pub isn’t relevant to their lives.
Because of the huge price delta between drinking at home and pubs/bars
I have noted a thing that seems to be uniting the lefties and right wing tw@tterai, moaning about the online safety bill.
Yes, universal loathing, and with justification
How did the Tories create something this monstrous? Allowing Labour to censor the entire internet?
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform
It's getting hard(arf) to look at porn now.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
Bit of rain in the air.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
I'm bored.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
Etc.
I've yet to find ANY reason, good or otherwise, to vote Reform.
In charge their bubble will burst even quicker than Labours has. Sadly the electorate will just move on to the next charlatan offering simplistic solutions.
Not necessarily, they'll probably tack to the centre once in government like Fash Karen's mob, Fratelli d'Italia.
Also, they will have a lot on entryists at the next GE with no particular ideological attachment to their retarded platform. If you were an individual with an appetite for politics then the Fukkers are the hot ticket right now. If you become a Fukker MP then a great deal of your competition for PPS roles, ministries, cabinet, etc. are going to be lard brained nativists in Adidas trakkies. So, they'll campaign in turquoise and govern in grey.
I don't see any reason why the current crumbling 'centre' would be an attractive place to tack to. Most centrist policies just aren't very good. I don't see why a Government unburdened by any sort mandate for them would be compelled to adopt them. Why would Reform suddenly decide they like Net Zero? Or high immigration? They will be glad to be shot of them, as will most other people.
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
The pubs by Hammersmith bridge are destination places. There are pubs a rock throw away that are empty - many have closed.
Yes, I agree, the riverside walk is the main destination in the summer, and the pubs are just something to do when you're there. Lots of people on Furnival Gardens just bring their own booze or joints and lie in the sun.
I talked to a publican there many years ago and he said that most of their profit for the year was on Boat Race weekend.
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
Mate, I live in Camden. There are probably more pubs than anything else. As I type this I’m looking at the Edinboro Castle beer garden (a fine place)
The plethora of pubs here is not surprising. So many workers as was and now so many young people. It’s one reason I love it despite the “challenging” aspects
However what confounds me is the number of supermarkets. Within half a mile there is a
Co op Aldi Big M&S Tesco metro Huge Sainsbury’s Whole Foods
And a massive Morrisons just beyond
Yet now they are opening another Sainsbury’s. Big. On Parkway
What are the economics of this? Can anyone explain it? Can it just be for all the kids at the market?
Big increase in demand for shoplifting.
Hah. Very good. That would make an excellent Martin amis short story
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
Mate, I live in Camden. There are probably more pubs than anything else. As I type this I’m looking at the Edinboro Castle beer garden (a fine place)
The plethora of pubs here is not surprising. So many workers as was and now so many young people. It’s one reason I love it despite the “challenging” aspects
However what confounds me is the number of supermarkets. Within half a mile there is a
Co op Aldi Big M&S Tesco metro Huge Sainsbury’s Whole Foods
And a massive Morrisons just beyond
Yet now they are opening another Sainsbury’s. Big. On Parkway
What are the economics of this? Can anyone explain it? Can it just be for all the kids at the market?
My local town used to have 14 pubs when I first moved here. Now has eight. Two have closed just in last six months. But it does have three micro-pubs. And a hell of a lot more eating places some of which will do a glass of wine with the meal etc. Must 3x the number of places to eat than a decade or two ago. I have no idea how they are all making money to be honest.
Feels like every other week there's another planning application for an eatery.
Maybe different generation would rather eat and have a glass or two of wine than sit in a pub and have cheese and onion sandwiches?
Many of the pubs round here offer a meal, although frequently bulk-purchased and microwaved.
I have noted a thing that seems to be uniting the lefties and right wing tw@tterai, moaning about the online safety bill.
Yes, universal loathing, and with justification
How did the Tories create something this monstrous? Allowing Labour to censor the entire internet?
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform
It's getting hard(arf) to look at porn now.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
Bit of rain in the air.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
I'm bored.
It’s yet another reason to vote Reform.
Etc.
I've yet to find ANY reason, good or otherwise, to vote Reform.
In charge their bubble will burst even quicker than Labours has. Sadly the electorate will just move on to the next charlatan offering simplistic solutions.
Not necessarily, they'll probably tack to the centre once in government like Fash Karen's mob, Fratelli d'Italia.
Also, they will have a lot on entryists at the next GE with no particular ideological attachment to their retarded platform. If you were an individual with an appetite for politics then the Fukkers are the hot ticket right now. If you become a Fukker MP then a great deal of your competition for PPS roles, ministries, cabinet, etc. are going to be lard brained nativists in Adidas trakkies. So, they'll campaign in turquoise and govern in grey.
I don't see any reason why the current crumbling 'centre' would be an attractive place to tack to. Most centrist policies just aren't very good. I don't see why a Government unburdened by any sort mandate for them would be compelled to adopt them. Why would Reform suddenly decide they like Net Zero? Or high immigration? They will be glad to be shot of them, as will most other people.
I can see your point, but I think the argument is that a NOTA party is 'not a' government. Skills are required.
"Jeremy Corbyn has hinted that the name might not change after their founding conference. My strong recommendation, based on years of observing political movements, is to not change it.
Setting up a new political party is incredibly difficult. You don’t need the added complication of a rebrand after establishing an initial identity. Rebrands are challenging at the best of times, let alone under the intense scrutiny of national media.
Furthermore, “Your Party” is actually a good name. It’s short, memorable, and directly reflects a core founding principle: that the party will be highly democratic and grassroots-led. This connection to its overarching proposition makes the name feel authentic and credible."
My thought was wasn't that deeper orange the colour of the Liberals before all the SDP/Alliance/LibDems era?
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
Mate, I live in Camden. There are probably more pubs than anything else. As I type this I’m looking at the Edinboro Castle beer garden (a fine place)
The plethora of pubs here is not surprising. So many workers as was and now so many young people. It’s one reason I love it despite the “challenging” aspects
However what confounds me is the number of supermarkets. Within half a mile there is a
Co op Aldi Big M&S Tesco metro Huge Sainsbury’s Whole Foods
And a massive Morrisons just beyond
Yet now they are opening another Sainsbury’s. Big. On Parkway
What are the economics of this? Can anyone explain it? Can it just be for all the kids at the market?
My local town used to have 14 pubs when I first moved here. Now has eight. Two have closed just in last six months. But it does have three micro-pubs. And a hell of a lot more eating places some of which will do a glass of wine with the meal etc. Must 3x the number of places to eat than a decade or two ago. I have no idea how they are all making money to be honest.
Feels like every other week there's another planning application for an eatery.
Maybe different generation would rather eat and have a glass or two of wine than sit in a pub and have cheese and onion sandwiches?
Many young people just don’t drink alcohol. Those that do, often drink to excess with cheap supermarket booze. For many of them, the pub isn’t relevant to their lives.
Because of the huge price delta between drinking at home and pubs/bars
And a lot of young'uns drink less or not at all, filling the gap with religion or drugs.
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
Mate, I live in Camden. There are probably more pubs than anything else. As I type this I’m looking at the Edinboro Castle beer garden (a fine place)
The plethora of pubs here is not surprising. So many workers as was and now so many young people. It’s one reason I love it despite the “challenging” aspects
However what confounds me is the number of supermarkets. Within half a mile there is a
Co op Aldi Big M&S Tesco metro Huge Sainsbury’s Whole Foods
And a massive Morrisons just beyond
Yet now they are opening another Sainsbury’s. Big. On Parkway
What are the economics of this? Can anyone explain it? Can it just be for all the kids at the market?
My local town used to have 14 pubs when I first moved here. Now has eight. Two have closed just in last six months. But it does have three micro-pubs. And a hell of a lot more eating places some of which will do a glass of wine with the meal etc. Must 3x the number of places to eat than a decade or two ago. I have no idea how they are all making money to be honest.
Feels like every other week there's another planning application for an eatery.
Maybe different generation would rather eat and have a glass or two of wine than sit in a pub and have cheese and onion sandwiches?
Many of the pubs round here offer a meal, although frequently bulk-purchased and microwaved.
Yes, a lot of pubs are basically cafes during the day and boozers at night.
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
Mate, I live in Camden. There are probably more pubs than anything else. As I type this I’m looking at the Edinboro Castle beer garden (a fine place)
The plethora of pubs here is not surprising. So many workers as was and now so many young people. It’s one reason I love it despite the “challenging” aspects
However what confounds me is the number of supermarkets. Within half a mile there is a
Co op Aldi Big M&S Tesco metro Huge Sainsbury’s Whole Foods
And a massive Morrisons just beyond
Yet now they are opening another Sainsbury’s. Big. On Parkway
What are the economics of this? Can anyone explain it? Can it just be for all the kids at the market?
My local town used to have 14 pubs when I first moved here. Now has eight. Two have closed just in last six months. But it does have three micro-pubs. And a hell of a lot more eating places some of which will do a glass of wine with the meal etc. Must 3x the number of places to eat than a decade or two ago. I have no idea how they are all making money to be honest.
Feels like every other week there's another planning application for an eatery.
Maybe different generation would rather eat and have a glass or two of wine than sit in a pub and have cheese and onion sandwiches?
Many young people just don’t drink alcohol. Those that do, often drink to excess with cheap supermarket booze. For many of them, the pub isn’t relevant to their lives.
Because of the huge price delta between drinking at home and pubs/bars
And I suspect our homes are now nice enough that we don't feel the need to go out just to drink.
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
Mate, I live in Camden. There are probably more pubs than anything else. As I type this I’m looking at the Edinboro Castle beer garden (a fine place)
The plethora of pubs here is not surprising. So many workers as was and now so many young people. It’s one reason I love it despite the “challenging” aspects
However what confounds me is the number of supermarkets. Within half a mile there is a
Co op Aldi Big M&S Tesco metro Huge Sainsbury’s Whole Foods
And a massive Morrisons just beyond
Yet now they are opening another Sainsbury’s. Big. On Parkway
What are the economics of this? Can anyone explain it? Can it just be for all the kids at the market?
Big increase in demand for shoplifting.
Hah. Very good. That would make an excellent Martin amis short story
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
Mate, I live in Camden. There are probably more pubs than anything else. As I type this I’m looking at the Edinboro Castle beer garden (a fine place)
The plethora of pubs here is not surprising. So many workers as was and now so many young people. It’s one reason I love it despite the “challenging” aspects
However what confounds me is the number of supermarkets. Within half a mile there is a
Co op Aldi Big M&S Tesco metro Huge Sainsbury’s Whole Foods
And a massive Morrisons just beyond
Yet now they are opening another Sainsbury’s. Big. On Parkway
What are the economics of this? Can anyone explain it? Can it just be for all the kids at the market?
My local town used to have 14 pubs when I first moved here. Now has eight. Two have closed just in last six months. But it does have three micro-pubs. And a hell of a lot more eating places some of which will do a glass of wine with the meal etc. Must 3x the number of places to eat than a decade or two ago. I have no idea how they are all making money to be honest.
Feels like every other week there's another planning application for an eatery.
Maybe different generation would rather eat and have a glass or two of wine than sit in a pub and have cheese and onion sandwiches?
Many young people just don’t drink alcohol. Those that do, often drink to excess with cheap supermarket booze. For many of them, the pub isn’t relevant to their lives.
Because of the huge price delta between drinking at home and pubs/bars
In the 1960s there was a TV advertising campaign "Beer At Home Means Davenports", promoting not just the brand but the novel idea you might keep a bottle or two in the kitchen for emergencies.* Draught beer at the pub was significantly cheaper than bottled beer "at home": 2/6 vs 1/9, or thereabouts.
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
The pubs by Hammersmith bridge are destination places. There are pubs a rock throw away that are empty - many have closed.
Yes, I agree, the riverside walk is the main destination in the summer, and the pubs are just something to do when you're there. Lots of people on Furnival Gardens just bring their own booze or joints and lie in the sun.
I talked to a publican there many years ago and he said that most of their profit for the year was on Boat Race weekend.
I think it’s more spread over the summer now. You can barely get through, past the pubs at the bridge on warm evenings.
The Boat Race is popular, but I doubt it does more than triple trade. There’s also a lot of pop up bars and stuff now, for the race.
On the header, I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Florida yet. It is true that the state has been voting Red massively in recent years, but their incumbent Senator Ashley Moody looks vulnerable. She was appointed to fill the Marco Rubio vacancy so this election is only for the last two years of that term. Her approval ratings among Republicans is 35% approve, 10% disapprove, 10% no opinion, 45% haven't heard of her and she's only raised $2.5m compared to her likely Democrat challenger who has raised $15m. Unlike Texas (which I suspect will remain a blue mirage) the Florida Hispanic community have been hit hard by ICE and that could see them sit on their hands in the midterms.
I am not sure that is the key issue why there are less boozers every year.....
It's certainly not - it's one of those social and cultural changes which has gone under the radar over the past 50 years or so. IN my part of East London, the traditional pub on every corner is now a corner shop where you can of course buy alcohol if you want.
I like pubs but the pubs I like have good food including a decent breakfast, comfortable seats and room to spread the Racing Post to mull over the day's equine entertainment. If I were in New Zealand, it would have a TAB (Tote) counter where I can place my bets and watch the races (pub meets betting shop). I'm not interested in ales with Dickensian names or any of that nonsense nor do I want a pub that's a night club by any other name or some venue on folk tryout night.
Fewer and better would be my conclusion on pubs these days - I also have to say the biggest revolution has been in the quality of pub food and I don't just mean the gastropub.
As well as social change, the big killer is ever higher turn over taxes which they can't escape, and of course cost of living / inflation it very expensive to go for a pint even of coke cola.
Sunday lunch in a pub for 4 now can easily set you back £100-150 now without drinking.
Tax and inflation was higher in the 1970s than now and more had more children still
Not sure what that has to do with pubs, but go and have a look how much a pint cost in the 70s in today's money...hint it wasn't £8-10.
I had a pint for £2.60 yesterday.
And one for £1.60 last week (Wetherspoons).
While in today's Times:
Let us switch from Tesco to Ocado and upgrade our weekly shop to £80. Instead of one bottle of wine a week, we order two OK-ish ones (£25) and get at least three drinks at a pub (£15).
You can get better than OKish wine for less than £5 (when bought on the regular offers) at supermarkets.
The relative cost of drinking in different parts of the country seems more unreal than the housing costs do.
Australian twitter is still moaning about the rugby from yesterday....27 angles of the final clear out, 100,000s of pixels detailing all the subsubsection of the rules book that should have been considered by the ref...and they call us whinging poms.
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
What's easy walking distance in metres (or yards), or time?
It must be different when you live in a village, but to me a pub is a social centre for people to meet and socialise. Also somewhere to go for an informal meal. I assume it’s different in the city, but I would hate to live in the city. Our village pub charges £3.75 for a pint of real ale. I would expect to pay double that in the city. When a pub charges more that a fiver a pint we call it Glasgow prices.
Prices in pubs are a function of labour cost and property prices.
Which means a double whammy in larger cities - since the labour cost is driven (largely) by the cost of housing.
I am not sure that is the key issue why there are less boozers every year.....
It's certainly not - it's one of those social and cultural changes which has gone under the radar over the past 50 years or so. IN my part of East London, the traditional pub on every corner is now a corner shop where you can of course buy alcohol if you want.
I like pubs but the pubs I like have good food including a decent breakfast, comfortable seats and room to spread the Racing Post to mull over the day's equine entertainment. If I were in New Zealand, it would have a TAB (Tote) counter where I can place my bets and watch the races (pub meets betting shop). I'm not interested in ales with Dickensian names or any of that nonsense nor do I want a pub that's a night club by any other name or some venue on folk tryout night.
Fewer and better would be my conclusion on pubs these days - I also have to say the biggest revolution has been in the quality of pub food and I don't just mean the gastropub.
As well as social change, the big killer is ever higher turn over taxes which they can't escape, and of course cost of living / inflation it very expensive to go for a pint even of coke cola.
Sunday lunch in a pub for 4 now can easily set you back £100-150 now without drinking.
Tax and inflation was higher in the 1970s than now and more had more children still
Not sure what that has to do with pubs, but go and have a look how much a pint cost in the 70s in today's money...hint it wasn't £8-10.
I had a pint for £2.60 yesterday.
And one for £1.60 last week (Wetherspoons).
While in today's Times:
Let us switch from Tesco to Ocado and upgrade our weekly shop to £80. Instead of one bottle of wine a week, we order two OK-ish ones (£25) and get at least three drinks at a pub (£15).
You can get better than OKish wine for less than £5 (when bought on the regular offers) at supermarkets.
The relative cost of drinking in different parts of the country seems more unreal than the housing costs do.
When I was a student in Sunderland at the end of the 50's there was one pub which sold a pint for one shilling (5p). That was exceptionally cheap though; 1/9d was more usual. (ca 8p)
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
Mate, I live in Camden. There are probably more pubs than anything else. As I type this I’m looking at the Edinboro Castle beer garden (a fine place)
The plethora of pubs here is not surprising. So many workers as was and now so many young people. It’s one reason I love it despite the “challenging” aspects
However what confounds me is the number of supermarkets. Within half a mile there is a
Co op Aldi Big M&S Tesco metro Huge Sainsbury’s Whole Foods
And a massive Morrisons just beyond
Yet now they are opening another Sainsbury’s. Big. On Parkway
What are the economics of this? Can anyone explain it? Can it just be for all the kids at the market?
My local town used to have 14 pubs when I first moved here. Now has eight. Two have closed just in last six months. But it does have three micro-pubs. And a hell of a lot more eating places some of which will do a glass of wine with the meal etc. Must 3x the number of places to eat than a decade or two ago. I have no idea how they are all making money to be honest.
Feels like every other week there's another planning application for an eatery.
Maybe different generation would rather eat and have a glass or two of wine than sit in a pub and have cheese and onion sandwiches?
Many young people just don’t drink alcohol. Those that do, often drink to excess with cheap supermarket booze. For many of them, the pub isn’t relevant to their lives.
Because of the huge price delta between drinking at home and pubs/bars
And I suspect our homes are now nice enough that we don't feel the need to go out just to drink.
Plus better home entertainment.
Two generations ago there were three TV channels on offer and games were either board or card.
I am not sure that is the key issue why there are less boozers every year.....
It's certainly not - it's one of those social and cultural changes which has gone under the radar over the past 50 years or so. IN my part of East London, the traditional pub on every corner is now a corner shop where you can of course buy alcohol if you want.
I like pubs but the pubs I like have good food including a decent breakfast, comfortable seats and room to spread the Racing Post to mull over the day's equine entertainment. If I were in New Zealand, it would have a TAB (Tote) counter where I can place my bets and watch the races (pub meets betting shop). I'm not interested in ales with Dickensian names or any of that nonsense nor do I want a pub that's a night club by any other name or some venue on folk tryout night.
Fewer and better would be my conclusion on pubs these days - I also have to say the biggest revolution has been in the quality of pub food and I don't just mean the gastropub.
As well as social change, the big killer is ever higher turn over taxes which they can't escape, and of course cost of living / inflation it very expensive to go for a pint even of coke cola.
Sunday lunch in a pub for 4 now can easily set you back £100-150 now without drinking.
Tax and inflation was higher in the 1970s than now and more had more children still
Not sure what that has to do with pubs, but go and have a look how much a pint cost in the 70s in today's money...hint it wasn't £8-10.
I had a pint for £2.60 yesterday.
And one for £1.60 last week (Wetherspoons).
While in today's Times:
Let us switch from Tesco to Ocado and upgrade our weekly shop to £80. Instead of one bottle of wine a week, we order two OK-ish ones (£25) and get at least three drinks at a pub (£15).
You can get better than OKish wine for less than £5 (when bought on the regular offers) at supermarkets.
The relative cost of drinking in different parts of the country seems more unreal than the housing costs do.
You’re lucky! Due to Scottish minimum pricing, the only wine available for less than £5 a bottle is 10% ABV or less. I assume Wales is similar.
Also, many Wetherspoons pubs won’t accept CAMRA vouchers, as taking 50p off the price of a pint puts it below the minimum price level. Maybe the next Reform government in Holyrood will reverse minimum pricing. Are you listening, Nigel?
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
Mate, I live in Camden. There are probably more pubs than anything else. As I type this I’m looking at the Edinboro Castle beer garden (a fine place)
The plethora of pubs here is not surprising. So many workers as was and now so many young people. It’s one reason I love it despite the “challenging” aspects
However what confounds me is the number of supermarkets. Within half a mile there is a
Co op Aldi Big M&S Tesco metro Huge Sainsbury’s Whole Foods
And a massive Morrisons just beyond
Yet now they are opening another Sainsbury’s. Big. On Parkway
What are the economics of this? Can anyone explain it? Can it just be for all the kids at the market?
My local town used to have 14 pubs when I first moved here. Now has eight. Two have closed just in last six months. But it does have three micro-pubs. And a hell of a lot more eating places some of which will do a glass of wine with the meal etc. Must 3x the number of places to eat than a decade or two ago. I have no idea how they are all making money to be honest.
Feels like every other week there's another planning application for an eatery.
Maybe different generation would rather eat and have a glass or two of wine than sit in a pub and have cheese and onion sandwiches?
Many young people just don’t drink alcohol. Those that do, often drink to excess with cheap supermarket booze. For many of them, the pub isn’t relevant to their lives.
Because of the huge price delta between drinking at home and pubs/bars
And I suspect our homes are now nice enough that we don't feel the need to go out just to drink.
Plus better home entertainment.
Two generations ago there were three TV channels on offer and games were either board or card.
Also with the old tinder machine you don't need to go out to find some action. I think that is why all the shitty nightclub chains of the early 2000s have gone bust. Nobody went to those places because they liked the ambience.
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
Mate, I live in Camden. There are probably more pubs than anything else. As I type this I’m looking at the Edinboro Castle beer garden (a fine place)
The plethora of pubs here is not surprising. So many workers as was and now so many young people. It’s one reason I love it despite the “challenging” aspects
However what confounds me is the number of supermarkets. Within half a mile there is a
Co op Aldi Big M&S Tesco metro Huge Sainsbury’s Whole Foods
And a massive Morrisons just beyond
Yet now they are opening another Sainsbury’s. Big. On Parkway
What are the economics of this? Can anyone explain it? Can it just be for all the kids at the market?
My local town used to have 14 pubs when I first moved here. Now has eight. Two have closed just in last six months. But it does have three micro-pubs. And a hell of a lot more eating places some of which will do a glass of wine with the meal etc. Must 3x the number of places to eat than a decade or two ago. I have no idea how they are all making money to be honest.
Feels like every other week there's another planning application for an eatery.
Maybe different generation would rather eat and have a glass or two of wine than sit in a pub and have cheese and onion sandwiches?
Many young people just don’t drink alcohol. Those that do, often drink to excess with cheap supermarket booze. For many of them, the pub isn’t relevant to their lives.
Because of the huge price delta between drinking at home and pubs/bars
And I suspect our homes are now nice enough that we don't feel the need to go out just to drink.
Plus better home entertainment.
Two generations ago there were three TV channels on offer and games were either board or card.
Though having the space to host more than 4 people…
I am not sure that is the key issue why there are less boozers every year.....
It's certainly not - it's one of those social and cultural changes which has gone under the radar over the past 50 years or so. IN my part of East London, the traditional pub on every corner is now a corner shop where you can of course buy alcohol if you want.
I like pubs but the pubs I like have good food including a decent breakfast, comfortable seats and room to spread the Racing Post to mull over the day's equine entertainment. If I were in New Zealand, it would have a TAB (Tote) counter where I can place my bets and watch the races (pub meets betting shop). I'm not interested in ales with Dickensian names or any of that nonsense nor do I want a pub that's a night club by any other name or some venue on folk tryout night.
Fewer and better would be my conclusion on pubs these days - I also have to say the biggest revolution has been in the quality of pub food and I don't just mean the gastropub.
As well as social change, the big killer is ever higher turn over taxes which they can't escape, and of course cost of living / inflation it very expensive to go for a pint even of coke cola.
Sunday lunch in a pub for 4 now can easily set you back £100-150 now without drinking.
Tax and inflation was higher in the 1970s than now and more had more children still
Not sure what that has to do with pubs, but go and have a look how much a pint cost in the 70s in today's money...hint it wasn't £8-10.
I had a pint for £2.60 yesterday.
And one for £1.60 last week (Wetherspoons).
While in today's Times:
Let us switch from Tesco to Ocado and upgrade our weekly shop to £80. Instead of one bottle of wine a week, we order two OK-ish ones (£25) and get at least three drinks at a pub (£15).
You can get better than OKish wine for less than £5 (when bought on the regular offers) at supermarkets.
The relative cost of drinking in different parts of the country seems more unreal than the housing costs do.
You’re lucky! Due to Scottish minimum pricing, the only wine available for less than £5 a bottle is 10% ABV or less. I assume Wales is similar.
I am fully expecting we get that from a Starmer government in England.
"Jeremy Corbyn has hinted that the name might not change after their founding conference. My strong recommendation, based on years of observing political movements, is to not change it.
Setting up a new political party is incredibly difficult. You don’t need the added complication of a rebrand after establishing an initial identity. Rebrands are challenging at the best of times, let alone under the intense scrutiny of national media.
Furthermore, “Your Party” is actually a good name. It’s short, memorable, and directly reflects a core founding principle: that the party will be highly democratic and grassroots-led. This connection to its overarching proposition makes the name feel authentic and credible."
My thought was wasn't that deeper orange the colour of the Liberals before all the SDP/Alliance/LibDems era?
Should be no registration issues - no political parties with You or derivatives in their name at present.
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
What's easy walking distance in metres (or yards), or time?
It must be different when you live in a village, but to me a pub is a social centre for people to meet and socialise. Also somewhere to go for an informal meal. I assume it’s different in the city, but I would hate to live in the city. Our village pub charges £3.75 for a pint of real ale. I would expect to pay double that in the city. When a pub charges more that a fiver a pint we call it Glasgow prices.
Prices in pubs are a function of labour cost and property prices.
Which means a double whammy in larger cities - since the labour cost is driven (largely) by the cost of housing.
And then we're back to the bimodal nature of housing costs.
The half of us who are comfortable or better have got a bar and a cellar at home and don't need pubs.
The half of us who aren't can't afford to be on either side of the bar in pubs.
I have decided that Zia Yusuf reminds me a bit of J D Vance. Impressive, hungry, but punchy, and a bit of a loose canon.
I feel that Reform would be safer with Suella and her husband balancing out the top team. But Zia obviously saw to that challenge by going after them (quite unfairly) over Afghanistan.
I'm interested what do you see in JD Vance? I think the best British comparison for him is perhaps Jenrick.
I am not sure Jenrick, the son of a FD / MD of various companies with a comfortable upbringing is a good comparison to J D Vance.
Compare their political flexibility over the last decade, and their entirely tactical political stances?
I have decided that Zia Yusuf reminds me a bit of J D Vance. Impressive, hungry, but punchy, and a bit of a loose canon.
I feel that Reform would be safer with Suella and her husband balancing out the top team. But Zia obviously saw to that challenge by going after them (quite unfairly) over Afghanistan.
I'm interested what do you see in JD Vance? I think the best British comparison for him is perhaps Jenrick.
I am not sure Jenrick, the son of a FD / MD of various companies with a comfortable upbringing is a good comparison to J D Vance.
Compare their political flexibility over the last decade, and their entirely tactical political stances?
Has Jenrick showed political flexibility? As far I was aware he has been on the right of the Tory party, the only difference in the past year is he has got on the old Monjargo and upped his social media game.
I have eighteen pubs within easy walking distance. Ten in Barnes and eight just across the river in Hammersmith. They are busy. You usually need to book to get a table for a meal or even a drink outside at the riverside pubs. Maybe Barnes is a particularly boozy place. Or maybe it's because you can walk home, or catch a bus. My nearest pub is literally 30 paces from my front door (60 on the way back).
What's easy walking distance in metres (or yards), or time?
It must be different when you live in a village, but to me a pub is a social centre for people to meet and socialise. Also somewhere to go for an informal meal. I assume it’s different in the city, but I would hate to live in the city. Our village pub charges £3.75 for a pint of real ale. I would expect to pay double that in the city. When a pub charges more that a fiver a pint we call it Glasgow prices.
Prices in pubs are a function of labour cost and property prices.
Which means a double whammy in larger cities - since the labour cost is driven (largely) by the cost of housing.
And then we're back to the bimodal nature of housing costs.
The half of us who are comfortable or better have got a bar and a cellar at home and don't need pubs.
The half of us who aren't can't afford to be on either side of the bar in pubs.
Ha
Then you put a pool table in your cellar and get a private club license….
Comparing with the General Election, rather than more recent polls, seems very on brand for Stats for Lefties.
In an entirely 'just as much nonsense' comparison with the latest polls, from the two companies used for this poll, Labour are actually up when Corbyn's party is included
I am not sure that is the key issue why there are less boozers every year.....
It's certainly not - it's one of those social and cultural changes which has gone under the radar over the past 50 years or so. IN my part of East London, the traditional pub on every corner is now a corner shop where you can of course buy alcohol if you want.
I like pubs but the pubs I like have good food including a decent breakfast, comfortable seats and room to spread the Racing Post to mull over the day's equine entertainment. If I were in New Zealand, it would have a TAB (Tote) counter where I can place my bets and watch the races (pub meets betting shop). I'm not interested in ales with Dickensian names or any of that nonsense nor do I want a pub that's a night club by any other name or some venue on folk tryout night.
Fewer and better would be my conclusion on pubs these days - I also have to say the biggest revolution has been in the quality of pub food and I don't just mean the gastropub.
As well as social change, the big killer is ever higher turn over taxes which they can't escape, and of course cost of living / inflation it very expensive to go for a pint even of coke cola.
Sunday lunch in a pub for 4 now can easily set you back £100-150 now without drinking.
Tax and inflation was higher in the 1970s than now and more had more children still
Not sure what that has to do with pubs, but go and have a look how much a pint cost in the 70s in today's money...hint it wasn't £8-10.
I had a pint for £2.60 yesterday.
And one for £1.60 last week (Wetherspoons).
While in today's Times:
Let us switch from Tesco to Ocado and upgrade our weekly shop to £80. Instead of one bottle of wine a week, we order two OK-ish ones (£25) and get at least three drinks at a pub (£15).
You can get better than OKish wine for less than £5 (when bought on the regular offers) at supermarkets.
The relative cost of drinking in different parts of the country seems more unreal than the housing costs do.
You cannot get "better than OKish" wine for under £5 a bottle from a supermarket
Australian twitter is still moaning about the rugby from yesterday....27 angles of the final clear out, 100,000s of pixels detailing all the subsubsection of the rules book that should have been considered by the ref...and they call us whinging poms.
I am not sure that is the key issue why there are less boozers every year.....
It's certainly not - it's one of those social and cultural changes which has gone under the radar over the past 50 years or so. IN my part of East London, the traditional pub on every corner is now a corner shop where you can of course buy alcohol if you want.
I like pubs but the pubs I like have good food including a decent breakfast, comfortable seats and room to spread the Racing Post to mull over the day's equine entertainment. If I were in New Zealand, it would have a TAB (Tote) counter where I can place my bets and watch the races (pub meets betting shop). I'm not interested in ales with Dickensian names or any of that nonsense nor do I want a pub that's a night club by any other name or some venue on folk tryout night.
Fewer and better would be my conclusion on pubs these days - I also have to say the biggest revolution has been in the quality of pub food and I don't just mean the gastropub.
As well as social change, the big killer is ever higher turn over taxes which they can't escape, and of course cost of living / inflation it very expensive to go for a pint even of coke cola.
Sunday lunch in a pub for 4 now can easily set you back £100-150 now without drinking.
Tax and inflation was higher in the 1970s than now and more had more children still
Not sure what that has to do with pubs, but go and have a look how much a pint cost in the 70s in today's money...hint it wasn't £8-10.
I had a pint for £2.60 yesterday.
And one for £1.60 last week (Wetherspoons).
While in today's Times:
Let us switch from Tesco to Ocado and upgrade our weekly shop to £80. Instead of one bottle of wine a week, we order two OK-ish ones (£25) and get at least three drinks at a pub (£15).
You can get better than OKish wine for less than £5 (when bought on the regular offers) at supermarkets.
The relative cost of drinking in different parts of the country seems more unreal than the housing costs do.
You’re lucky! Due to Scottish minimum pricing, the only wine available for less than £5 a bottle is 10% ABV or less. I assume Wales is similar.
I am fully expecting we get that from a Starmer government in England.
Which is return to the past.
In the Goode Olde Dayz the shops sold alcohol at near pub prices. They didn’t really know the profit per item - no computers to do the books.
The rise of the supermarkets, with lower margins and analysis of everything, showed they could sell booze vastly cheaper, still make a profit and pull the punters.
Meanwhile prices escalated rapidly in the pub trade.
Minimum pricing is about handing vast profits to the supermarkets - who will sell at minimum price exactly, while getting the pubs companies on side.
Could see Starmer and Co going for that with a helping of an extra tax on non licensee establishment sales.
By the way, it costs a fortune, but I have heard great things about the experience they lay on for kids at the two LaplandUK sites, in Ascot and Manchester. The entry fee alone is usually over £100 per head but they book up ever so fast. Anyone been?
Talking of the cost of children, striking chart in today's Sunday Times;
That feels more relevant to the lack of children being born than certain poster's proclivities.
Yes we need more funding for childcare but even fifty years ago there was very little childcare, 100 years ago next to none, no minimum wage and lower average earnings than now and parents had more children than they do now
Yes and not so long ago we sent children as young as nine down mines, up chimneys and in between complex machinery. I'm sure a return to those days would be hugely popular....we could bring back poorhouses (just call them two star hotels).
There's also the small matter of infant mortality numbers from 100 years ago which don't make attractive reading in the context of today (though much better than they were 100 years before that) and the old life expectancy numbers as well - back then life was perhaps not as nasty, brutish and short as it had been in earlier times but still...
Even in 2000 we were at replacement level fertility with life expectancy and infant mortality rates in the UK little different to now
In 2000 houses were affordable and people could settle down in a home of their own.
I am not sure that is the key issue why there are less boozers every year.....
It's certainly not - it's one of those social and cultural changes which has gone under the radar over the past 50 years or so. IN my part of East London, the traditional pub on every corner is now a corner shop where you can of course buy alcohol if you want.
I like pubs but the pubs I like have good food including a decent breakfast, comfortable seats and room to spread the Racing Post to mull over the day's equine entertainment. If I were in New Zealand, it would have a TAB (Tote) counter where I can place my bets and watch the races (pub meets betting shop). I'm not interested in ales with Dickensian names or any of that nonsense nor do I want a pub that's a night club by any other name or some venue on folk tryout night.
Fewer and better would be my conclusion on pubs these days - I also have to say the biggest revolution has been in the quality of pub food and I don't just mean the gastropub.
As well as social change, the big killer is ever higher turn over taxes which they can't escape, and of course cost of living / inflation it very expensive to go for a pint even of coke cola.
Sunday lunch in a pub for 4 now can easily set you back £100-150 now without drinking.
Tax and inflation was higher in the 1970s than now and more had more children still
Not sure what that has to do with pubs, but go and have a look how much a pint cost in the 70s in today's money...hint it wasn't £8-10.
I had a pint for £2.60 yesterday.
And one for £1.60 last week (Wetherspoons).
While in today's Times:
Let us switch from Tesco to Ocado and upgrade our weekly shop to £80. Instead of one bottle of wine a week, we order two OK-ish ones (£25) and get at least three drinks at a pub (£15).
You can get better than OKish wine for less than £5 (when bought on the regular offers) at supermarkets.
The relative cost of drinking in different parts of the country seems more unreal than the housing costs do.
When I was a student in Sunderland at the end of the 50's there was one pub which sold a pint for one shilling (5p). That was exceptionally cheap though; 1/9d was more usual. (ca 8p)
*Spits out cigar end*
Oh, we used to dream of getting beer for 1/9. The only way we could get beer for 1/9 was if the actual cat had pissed in it.
WRT Texas, the growth in the Hispanic population is offset, by more of them voting Republican
Well it was - before ICE set about destroying the Republican's chances with that cohort.
I thought (but happy to be proven wrong) but the average Hispanic in Texas is more settled, for some families the border crossed them rather than the other way around. Most of the violent ICE stuff has been in California, Florida and Arizona rather than Texas.
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I'm afraid I was regarded as a bit of a killjoy, but I don't approve of drinking at lunchtime and I was used by the pharmacy management to discourage the junior staff from doing so.
I am well aware he is massively bias and have to be super careful. I don't like being lied to by the media though. They could have easily reported that picture with more context of this is a sick kid that isn't getting his medication because of Israel not providing aid.
There are pubs a rock throw away that are empty - many have closed.
And oddly reminiscent of the way the SNP nearly achieved independence (sorry about that)
The ferries don’t work! We need Indy!!
I’ve had to pay £3 for a pie! We need Indy!!
My Scottish penis is still tiny! We need etc
No independent journalists are allowed access, and neither side in the conflict is a stranger to propaganda.
But I think we can quite reasonably infer, from the fact that the Israeli government opened the border with Egypt this morning, to allow in a food convoy, that they have been restricting the amount of aid into Gaza.
As Olmert said this morning, it is a mess. But as he also said, Israel controls Gaza, and it is entirely incumbent on them to ensure adequate humanitarian aid.
They have plainly not been doing that.
In any case you’d better let the IDF know. After weeks of saying there is no famine in Gaza but if any Gazan kid is feeling a bit peckish it’s all down to Hamas and the UN holding back aid, they’ve ’opened’ safe routes for aid to get in. Very soft hearted of them to allow this in an area that isn’t starving, oh no, definitely not.
Is there a spread on what time/date the first Gazan civilian is killed during the temporary tactical cease fire?
See also Brexit.
The plethora of pubs here is not surprising. So many workers as was and now so many young people. It’s one reason I love it despite the “challenging” aspects
However what confounds me is the number of supermarkets. Within half a mile there is a
Co op
Aldi
Big M&S
Tesco metro
Huge Sainsbury’s
Whole Foods
And a massive Morrisons just beyond
Yet now they are opening another Sainsbury’s. Big. On Parkway
What are the economics of this? Can anyone explain it? Can it just be for all the kids at the market?
I am sure that less tolerance of drink driving makes a difference too, one reason London pubs are still busy. More income, more young people and an easy ride home via Oystercard.
That’s probably why - despite being about a week old - they are now leading in these things called “polls”. You should check them out
Yes, my line manager knew about it.
There are nine within 15 minutes. Six of them on the towpath from the Old Ship to the Blue Boat.
Also, they will have a lot on entryists at the next GE with no particular ideological attachment to their retarded platform. If you were an individual with an appetite for politics then the Fukkers are the hot ticket right now. If you become a Fukker MP then a great deal of your competition for PPS roles, ministries, cabinet, etc. are going to be lard brained nativists in Adidas trakkies. So, they'll campaign in turquoise and govern in grey.
Feels like every other week there's another planning application for an eatery.
Maybe different generation would rather eat and have a glass or two of wine than sit in a pub and have cheese and onion sandwiches?
When/if they do, the response will be to print money to keep the show on the road. They will get out of control, of course.
Argentina shows that a broken back economy can stagger on for a long long time.
I talked to a publican there many years ago and he said that most of their profit for the year was on Boat Race weekend.
https://politicaladvertising.co.uk/2025/07/27/your-party-a-strong-political-brand/
"Jeremy Corbyn has hinted that the name might not change after their founding conference. My strong recommendation, based on years of observing political movements, is to not change it.
Setting up a new political party is incredibly difficult. You don’t need the added complication of a rebrand after establishing an initial identity. Rebrands are challenging at the best of times, let alone under the intense scrutiny of national media.
Furthermore, “Your Party” is actually a good name. It’s short, memorable, and directly reflects a core founding principle: that the party will be highly democratic and grassroots-led. This connection to its overarching proposition makes the name feel authentic and credible."
My thought was wasn't that deeper orange the colour of the Liberals before all the SDP/Alliance/LibDems era?
*In Wales there was an emergency every Sunday.
The Boat Race is popular, but I doubt it does more than triple trade. There’s also a lot of pop up bars and stuff now, for the race.
And one for £1.60 last week (Wetherspoons).
While in today's Times:
Let us switch from Tesco to Ocado and upgrade our weekly shop to £80. Instead of one bottle of wine a week, we order two OK-ish ones (£25) and get at least three drinks at a pub (£15).
You can get better than OKish wine for less than £5 (when bought on the regular offers) at supermarkets.
The relative cost of drinking in different parts of the country seems more unreal than the housing costs do.
@LeftieStats
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🗳️ 18-24 poll average (with Corbyn party):
🟣 JCP – 27% (+27)
🔴 LAB – 23% (-18)
➡️ REF – 18% (+10)
🟢 GRN – 13% (-7)
🟠 LD – 11% (-5)
🔵 CON – 5% (-)
+/- vs GE2024
https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1949418305430921557
Which means a double whammy in larger cities - since the labour cost is driven (largely) by the cost of housing.
Two generations ago there were three TV channels on offer and games were either board or card.
Also, many Wetherspoons pubs won’t accept CAMRA vouchers, as taking 50p off the price of a pint puts it below the minimum price level. Maybe the next Reform government in Holyrood will reverse minimum pricing. Are you listening, Nigel?
The half of us who are comfortable or better have got a bar and a cellar at home and don't need pubs.
The half of us who aren't can't afford to be on either side of the bar in pubs.
Then you put a pool table in your cellar and get a private club license….
In an entirely 'just as much nonsense' comparison with the latest polls, from the two companies used for this poll, Labour are actually up when Corbyn's party is included
It's an average of two unweighted subsamples.
In the Goode Olde Dayz the shops sold alcohol at near pub prices. They didn’t really know the profit per item - no computers to do the books.
The rise of the supermarkets, with lower margins and analysis of everything, showed they could sell booze vastly cheaper, still make a profit and pull the punters.
Meanwhile prices escalated rapidly in the pub trade.
Minimum pricing is about handing vast profits to the supermarkets - who will sell at minimum price exactly, while getting the pubs companies on side.
Could see Starmer and Co going for that with a helping of an extra tax on non licensee establishment sales.
Oh, we used to dream of getting beer for 1/9. The only way we could get beer for 1/9 was if the actual cat had pissed in it.
They have this consistent habit of spinning polls in an anti Starmer/pro Corbyn way when the numbers don't back it up.
Even after ICE arrested his wife, this Trump supporter refuses to take down his MAGA flags and says he doesn’t regret voting for Trump:
“Trump is not trying to do anything bad. He wants the best for the country.”
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/07/05/trump-derangement-syndrome-is-real/
It boasted a line-up of bands including The Killers, Pulp, Def Leppard, Wet Leg and The Libertines.
The 45,000 capacity three-day event was due to be held this August bank holiday and was billed as the world's first hydrogen-powered music festival.
But there was a snag: It was based on lies.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg8d7vl420o
On Epstein's jet.