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  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,362
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Why should we ?

    Do we hade a treaty obligation ?

    If not then why bother ? We won’t fight for Ukraine.
    Because Taiwan is integral to the economy of the western world.

    As is Ukraine to Europe's security.

    We have the capacity to intervene in Ukraine; Taiwan, not so much.
    It's also access to the sea lanes in the region; something which is very useful to us, yet we are not securing with the even more vital Red Sea / Suez Canal.

    I expect it's a sane calculated balance for Xi: he will want to be seen as the man who reunited China (*). But he also wants to keep lots of that lovely trade with the west.

    Putin made that calculation twice. In 2014 he was correct. In 2022, less so.

    (*) Which, as someone said below, might be why he tries elsewhere.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,850
    Goodness. Are we going to win a penalty shoot out?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,394
    Leah! Nooooooooo
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,525
    edited July 27
    Yes! Champions!

    What was wrong with the first penalty - the Finnish commentary here is impenetrable
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,298
    INDI... er, I mean ENGLAND!!!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,663
    Leon said:

    India are the better team. It’s only stokes that keeps us in it. And as soon as he falters - in any way - we’re a bit average. Especially in bowling

    We need to find some amazing bowlers quick, for the ashes

    It's wrong to say India are the better side.

    The teams are quite evenly matched, with both extremely strong in the batting lineup, and both a bit light in the bowling.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,194
    Well done England's ladies
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,993
    HYUFD said:

    Well done England's ladies

    Women.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,394
    Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,663
    Blimey.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,020
    IanB2 said:

    Yes! Champions!

    What was wrong with the first penalty - the Finnish commentary here is impenetrable

    As she slipped she made contact with the ball twice which is a no no.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,993
    IanB2 said:

    Yes! Champions!

    What was wrong with the first penalty - the Finnish commentary here is impenetrable

    Double touch. The law was changed on 1 July. Before then it would have been disallowed. Now, it's a retake.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,442
    Wahay. Nice to beat Spain for a change.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,994
    Penalties: I predicted the direction correctly in all but one case. They need to work on that.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,525
    tlg86 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Yes! Champions!

    What was wrong with the first penalty - the Finnish commentary here is impenetrable

    Double touch. The law was changed on 1 July. Before then it would have been disallowed. Now, it's a retake.
    Thx. So we almost won by two.

    Still, it’s always sad when a key game gets settled like that
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,663

    IanB2 said:

    Yes! Champions!

    What was wrong with the first penalty - the Finnish commentary here is impenetrable

    As she slipped she made contact with the ball twice which is a no no.
    I was expecting the ref to disallow the final penalty for a moment there.
    England do not seem to have had the rub of the refereeing.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,663
    IanB2 said:

    tlg86 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Yes! Champions!

    What was wrong with the first penalty - the Finnish commentary here is impenetrable

    Double touch. The law was changed on 1 July. Before then it would have been disallowed. Now, it's a retake.
    Thx. So we almost won by two.

    Still, it’s always sad when a key game gets settled like that
    It's fine by me.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,159

    Penalties: I predicted the direction correctly in all but one case. They need to work on that.

    If they work on that, perhaps they might win something?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,994
    Woad, 21, claims Scottish Open victory on pro debut

    England's Lottie Woad delivered a statement victory on her professional debut at the Women's Scottish Open as a final-round 68 secured her second tour win.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/articles/cdd371z8pllo

    A good day for England's lady sportsmen.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,703
    Spain will be gutted . England really were very lucky to have got to the final and didn’t play well .
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,553
    edited July 27
    Hahahah. We won’t let the Scotch forget about this for HOURS. We might go on and on and on and on about it til tomorrow lunch
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,663
    nico67 said:

    Spain will be gutted . England really were very lucky to have got to the final and didn’t play well .

    But won. Which is what counts.

    Our goalkeeper was the difference between the two teams ?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,830
    Taz said:
    That's enormously advantageous to EU carmakers, given that US car makers are struggling with massive tariffs on steel and aluminum, and auto parts. It will almost certainly be cheaper to build cars in the EU and export them to the US, than to build them in the US
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,652
    Now about that bank holiday...
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,115
    Leon said:

    Hahahah. We won’t let the Scotch forget about this for HOURS. We might go on and on and on and on about it til tomorrow lunch

    You’ve been going on about your last victory for 59 years. We don’t expect you to stop tomorrow lunchtime.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,442
    nico67 said:

    Spain will be gutted . England really were very lucky to have got to the final and didn’t play well .

    Doesn't matter. Tournament football.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,073
    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:
    That's enormously advantageous to EU carmakers, given that US car makers are struggling with massive tariffs on steel and aluminum, and auto parts. It will almost certainly be cheaper to build cars in the EU and export them to the US, than to build them in the US

    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    *TRUMP: EU AGREES TO PURCHASE $750B OF AMERICAN ENERGY ANNUALLY

    The European Union doesn’t even consume $600B of energy per year.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,334
    Got to be Dame Chloe, surely!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,850
    Don't kiss anyone Big Will or you might lose The Throne.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,652
    Now remember chaps noone kisses the players...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,442
    Will William go in for tongue-in kiss of Chloe Kelly?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,663
    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:
    That's enormously advantageous to EU carmakers, given that US car makers are struggling with massive tariffs on steel and aluminum, and auto parts. It will almost certainly be cheaper to build cars in the EU and export them to the US, than to build them in the US
    Yours likely right, but let wait to see the detail.
    There's a huge difference between the Trump spin and the real world.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,964

    Got to be Dame Chloe, surely!

    Why ?

    Do gongs come in cornflakes packets now ?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,298
    edited July 27
    nico67 said:

    Spain will be gutted . England really were very lucky to have got to the final and didn’t play well .

    "I don't need any luck, Sarge. I was born lucky!"
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,993
    edited July 27
    Rory McIlroy isn't odds on for SPOTY. I steer clear of that market, but it would be a travesty if he doesn't win it.

    EDIT: Okay, I've had some of the even money on Betfair. Chloe Kelly is great, but it has to be Rory.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,334
    edited July 27
    Taz said:

    Got to be Dame Chloe, surely!

    Why ?

    Do gongs come in cornflakes packets now ?
    Without her, England would have not got anywhere near winning. They’d have definitely lost to Sweden.

    And her exuberant, uncomplicated attitude to playing - and to life generally - is just wonderful.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,964

    Taz said:

    Got to be Dame Chloe, surely!

    Why ?

    Do gongs come in cornflakes packets now ?
    Without her, England would have not got anywhere near winning. They’d have definitely lost to Sweden.

    And her exuberant, uncomplicated attitude to playing - and to life generally - is just wonderful.
    ,
    So that deserves a gong. Nah.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,373
    ..
    Taz said:

    Got to be Dame Chloe, surely!

    Why ?

    Do gongs come in cornflakes packets now ?
    I can't believe there is another way for Sir Philip Davies to have been enabled.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,964

    ..

    Taz said:

    Got to be Dame Chloe, surely!

    Why ?

    Do gongs come in cornflakes packets now ?
    I can't believe there is another way for Sir Philip Davies to have been enabled.
    Isn’t there a window you need to lick ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,553

    Leon said:

    Hahahah. We won’t let the Scotch forget about this for HOURS. We might go on and on and on and on about it til tomorrow lunch

    You’ve been going on about your last victory for 59 years. We don’t expect you to stop tomorrow lunchtime.
    It’s a meta-joke
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,070
    Leon said:

    Hahahah. We won’t let the Scotch forget about this for HOURS. We might go on and on and on and on about it til tomorrow lunch

    Quite happy for them actually. An amazing achievement.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,964
    Wade v Littler darts final tonight. 👍
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,070

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:
    That's enormously advantageous to EU carmakers, given that US car makers are struggling with massive tariffs on steel and aluminum, and auto parts. It will almost certainly be cheaper to build cars in the EU and export them to the US, than to build them in the US

    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    *TRUMP: EU AGREES TO PURCHASE $750B OF AMERICAN ENERGY ANNUALLY

    The European Union doesn’t even consume $600B of energy per year.
    They're going to use the surplus to melt all the shite American vehicles they're going to buy.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,073

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:
    That's enormously advantageous to EU carmakers, given that US car makers are struggling with massive tariffs on steel and aluminum, and auto parts. It will almost certainly be cheaper to build cars in the EU and export them to the US, than to build them in the US

    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    *TRUMP: EU AGREES TO PURCHASE $750B OF AMERICAN ENERGY ANNUALLY

    The European Union doesn’t even consume $600B of energy per year.
    They're going to use the surplus to melt all the shite American vehicles they're going to buy.
    I suppose the only thing that matters is that Trump thinks its a fantastic deal. Everyone can just carry on as if nothing has happened.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,830
    edited July 27

    Taz said:
    BREAKING: President Trump says the US has reached a trade deal with the EU.

    The deal includes:

    1. Agreement to open up trade at 0% tariff

    2. EU to buy up to $750B of US energy

    3. EU to purchase “vast amounts” of US auto

    4. Tariffs on automobiles reduced to 15%

    Trump calls this “the biggest deal ever reached.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1949523437585609064?s=61

    Points 1 and 4 seem to be at odds with each other. Point 2, “up to” covers a multitude of sins but the EU is already substituting for Russian gas. Point 3 probably means the German car makers will build new plants in America rather than more Cadillacs on autobahns. Point 4, see point 2.
    Underyling all this is a fundamental misconception.

    The EU - that is, the economic actor that is the institutions of the EU - does not buy cars or oil or gas.

    The EU can no more force its citizens to purchase US cars than I can make certain PBers like pineapple on pizza.

    The same is true for energy.

    Crude oil, LNG cargoes, middle distillates and the like are purchased by power generators, refiners and chains of petrol stations. They are not bought centrally by the government and distributed accordingly.

    Now, that doesn't mean that the government can't facilitate trade. They can subsidise the building of LNG import terminals, or allow new oil pipeline to run from Milford Haven, or the like. But they can't force economic actors to do things against their best interest.

    And they certainly can't make French consumers buy US made cars. (And what US made cars would they buy anyway? The US automaker all have massive European manufacturing facilities, because holding and moving inventory around the world is expensive.)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,373
    Taz said:

    ..

    Taz said:

    Got to be Dame Chloe, surely!

    Why ?

    Do gongs come in cornflakes packets now ?
    I can't believe there is another way for Sir Philip Davies to have been enabled.
    Isn’t there a window you need to lick ?
    Are you suggesting I am mentally handicapped? Classy guy.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,994
    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:
    That's enormously advantageous to EU carmakers, given that US car makers are struggling with massive tariffs on steel and aluminum, and auto parts. It will almost certainly be cheaper to build cars in the EU and export them to the US, than to build them in the US
    It is almost as if Trump's circle has expelled its one member who understands supply chains.
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,534
    Taz said:
    I wouldn't believe anything he says. Let's wait and see
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,830

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:
    That's enormously advantageous to EU carmakers, given that US car makers are struggling with massive tariffs on steel and aluminum, and auto parts. It will almost certainly be cheaper to build cars in the EU and export them to the US, than to build them in the US

    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    *TRUMP: EU AGREES TO PURCHASE $750B OF AMERICAN ENERGY ANNUALLY

    The European Union doesn’t even consume $600B of energy per year.
    They're going to use the surplus to melt all the shite American vehicles they're going to buy.
    I suppose the only thing that matters is that Trump thinks its a fantastic deal. Everyone can just carry on as if nothing has happened.
    Actually, the EU does consume more than $600bn of energy per year. In total, consumption is probably around $750bn per year.

    Here's the thing. Total (not just EU) exports of US LNG are just .. checks ... $40bn/year. Even if it was all sent to the EU, and the total amount doubled (which is cleary impossible given that LNG export terminals take many years to build), it still wouldn't get anywhere close,
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,336
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    India are the better team. It’s only stokes that keeps us in it. And as soon as he falters - in any way - we’re a bit average. Especially in bowling

    We need to find some amazing bowlers quick, for the ashes

    It's wrong to say India are the better side.

    The teams are quite evenly matched, with both extremely strong in the batting lineup, and both a bit light in the bowling.
    India have the ICC's no 1 bowler, top ICC English bowler is Gus Atkinson, who isn't selected, maybe throwing some doubt on the rankings.
    Pitch and quickly softening ball have not favoured the bowlers on either side.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,442
    tlg86 said:

    Rory McIlroy isn't odds on for SPOTY. I steer clear of that market, but it would be a travesty if he doesn't win it.

    EDIT: Okay, I've had some of the even money on Betfair. Chloe Kelly is great, but it has to be Rory.

    It should be, yes, and I hope it will be. But I can't forget 2014. Two majors for Rory inc the Open. World number one. Amazing year. And they gave it to Lewis Hamilton for winning the F1 in easily the best car, ie for beating his team mate.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,964
    Christ, when does this fucking football finish
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,964

    Taz said:

    ..

    Taz said:

    Got to be Dame Chloe, surely!

    Why ?

    Do gongs come in cornflakes packets now ?
    I can't believe there is another way for Sir Philip Davies to have been enabled.
    Isn’t there a window you need to lick ?
    Are you suggesting I am mentally handicapped? Classy guy.
    🥱🥱
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,334

    geoffw said:

    Some bad news. We could do with him right now.

    Tom Lehrer, the sardonic singer-songwriter-pianist who rose to national fame after his dark, tartly funny topical songs were used on the comedic ‘60s TV news show “That Was the Week That Was,” has died at age 97.

    Friends said that he was found dead in his home in Cambridge, Mass., on Saturday.


    https://variety.com/2025/music/obituaries-people-news/tom-lehrer-dead-satirist-topical-singer-songwriter-1236471506/

    I really can't give that a "like".
    He was never on the original TW3 (UK) afaik
    An unequalled combination of musical talent, intelligence and wit who was famous without going into showbiz. He stuck to his academic career
    I am genuinely saddened by the death of Tom Lehrer even though he reached a grand old age. A huge part of my childhod as my parents were massive fans and as I got older and better understood his skill and his satirical genius ,my admiration only grew. The first song I ever introduced my wife to be to was a Tom Lehrer ditty. It was almost a test of her dark sense of humour and our future compatibility.

    Rest in peace sir and thanks for the many decades of both delight and insight.
    Really thought he’d make the ton. Was that song ‘Poisoning pigeons…’ by any chance?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,663
    .

    geoffw said:

    Some bad news. We could do with him right now.

    Tom Lehrer, the sardonic singer-songwriter-pianist who rose to national fame after his dark, tartly funny topical songs were used on the comedic ‘60s TV news show “That Was the Week That Was,” has died at age 97.

    Friends said that he was found dead in his home in Cambridge, Mass., on Saturday.


    https://variety.com/2025/music/obituaries-people-news/tom-lehrer-dead-satirist-topical-singer-songwriter-1236471506/

    I really can't give that a "like".
    He was never on the original TW3 (UK) afaik
    An unequalled combination of musical talent, intelligence and wit who was famous without going into showbiz. He stuck to his academic career
    I am genuinely saddened by the death of Tom Lehrer even though he reached a grand old age. A huge part of my childhod as my parents were massive fans and as I got older and better understood his skill and his satirical genius ,my admiration only grew. The first song I ever introduced my wife to be to was a Tom Lehrer ditty. It was almost a test of her dark sense of humour and our future compatibility.

    Rest in peace sir and thanks for the many decades of both delight and insight.
    Mine too.
    I got "An Evening Wasted with.." one Christmas when I was a kid.

    Sometimes I don't give my mother sufficient appreciation.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,484

    geoffw said:

    Some bad news. We could do with him right now.

    Tom Lehrer, the sardonic singer-songwriter-pianist who rose to national fame after his dark, tartly funny topical songs were used on the comedic ‘60s TV news show “That Was the Week That Was,” has died at age 97.

    Friends said that he was found dead in his home in Cambridge, Mass., on Saturday.


    https://variety.com/2025/music/obituaries-people-news/tom-lehrer-dead-satirist-topical-singer-songwriter-1236471506/

    I really can't give that a "like".
    He was never on the original TW3 (UK) afaik
    An unequalled combination of musical talent, intelligence and wit who was famous without going into showbiz. He stuck to his academic career
    I am genuinely saddened by the death of Tom Lehrer even though he reached a grand old age. A huge part of my childhod as my parents were massive fans and as I got older and better understood his skill and his satirical genius ,my admiration only grew. The first song I ever introduced my wife to be to was a Tom Lehrer ditty. It was almost a test of her dark sense of humour and our future compatibility.

    Rest in peace sir and thanks for the many decades of both delight and insight.
    Really thought he’d make the ton. Was that song ‘Poisoning pigeons…’ by any chance?
    LOL. Yes it was. Though it was rapidly follwed by both the Masochism Tango and Oedipus Rex. And his Christmas Carol is by far the most common song sung at that tme of year in our household.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,686

    In other news:

    It was a significant birthday for Mrs J this weekend, so I got childcare in for our son, and took her down to London (*) . Three decades ago, I would travel from St Pancras to Derby on the train. At that time St Pancras was faded grandeur; the glass of Barlow's trainshed greyed out with ancient smoke; the hotel's exterior refurbished in the 1980s, but the interior decayed, abandoned and inaccessible. The stench of diesel filled the air within the vast trainshed, as if a vast mechanical lung was exhaling within. I used to climb up the steps from King's Cross and stand, awe-struck at Scott's fantastical exterior.

    Roll on to this weekend, and I decided to book us in for the night at the refurbished hotel. It was expensive, and I booked a room in the modern Barlow extension, but it was still the St Pancras hotel. We arrived, and we had been upgraded from a room to a suite in the original hotel.

    A suite. It was massive. And our windows looked down over the coach ramp and the Euston Road. we danced around the rooms. We failed to find any convenient plugs. We glided up *that* staircase. We dared not sing 'Wannabe'.

    We had our meals in the Booking Office; somewhere I used to go to buy tickets back home to my parents'. Now restored, but also perhaps having lost a certain something: purpose and decreptiude?

    By nature, I am tight. I don't particularly like spending money. But this weekend was brilliant. We got taxis everywhere, to Fortnum's for afternoon tea (a very rare treat), and then the theatre. Normally, we would either walk or get the tube. But this weekend, I spent.

    Even today's chaos on the ECML did not stop us: instead of waiting amongst the thousands at Kings Cross for a train back to Sr Neots, we took a train to Bedford, and got a taxi the rest of the way.

    London was also at its best: electric cars were far more common than they are up here, and the air felt remarkably clean. We walked through NW1, seeing terraces of the non-identical Nash buildings that @Leon witters on about. Runners reigned in Regent's Park. The only negative were the homeless; far more prevalent on the Euston Road than litter.

    We rarely do this sort of thing, but it's scarcity made it even more special. And staying at the St Pancras Hotel was a dream fulfilled: in Mrs J's case, a dream she did not know she had...

    I've promised Mrs J we'll so it again for her next fiftieth birthday... ;)

    (*) That is not a euphemism ...

    That's so nice, and especially resonant for me - I spent too much of the night of the Great Storm of 1987 in a train in the train shed. though I have to echo your feelings about the diversion of the Booking Hall to other usage. The stone (or terracotta) locomotives on the frieze inside deserve to be overlooking the ticket offices as of old.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,373
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    ..

    Taz said:

    Got to be Dame Chloe, surely!

    Why ?

    Do gongs come in cornflakes packets now ?
    I can't believe there is another way for Sir Philip Davies to have been enabled.
    Isn’t there a window you need to lick ?
    Are you suggesting I am mentally handicapped? Classy guy.
    🥱🥱
    Fortunately I don't take offensive 1970s style personal insults to heart.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,362
    Carnyx said:

    In other news:

    It was a significant birthday for Mrs J this weekend, so I got childcare in for our son, and took her down to London (*) . Three decades ago, I would travel from St Pancras to Derby on the train. At that time St Pancras was faded grandeur; the glass of Barlow's trainshed greyed out with ancient smoke; the hotel's exterior refurbished in the 1980s, but the interior decayed, abandoned and inaccessible. The stench of diesel filled the air within the vast trainshed, as if a vast mechanical lung was exhaling within. I used to climb up the steps from King's Cross and stand, awe-struck at Scott's fantastical exterior.

    Roll on to this weekend, and I decided to book us in for the night at the refurbished hotel. It was expensive, and I booked a room in the modern Barlow extension, but it was still the St Pancras hotel. We arrived, and we had been upgraded from a room to a suite in the original hotel.

    A suite. It was massive. And our windows looked down over the coach ramp and the Euston Road. we danced around the rooms. We failed to find any convenient plugs. We glided up *that* staircase. We dared not sing 'Wannabe'.

    We had our meals in the Booking Office; somewhere I used to go to buy tickets back home to my parents'. Now restored, but also perhaps having lost a certain something: purpose and decreptiude?

    By nature, I am tight. I don't particularly like spending money. But this weekend was brilliant. We got taxis everywhere, to Fortnum's for afternoon tea (a very rare treat), and then the theatre. Normally, we would either walk or get the tube. But this weekend, I spent.

    Even today's chaos on the ECML did not stop us: instead of waiting amongst the thousands at Kings Cross for a train back to Sr Neots, we took a train to Bedford, and got a taxi the rest of the way.

    London was also at its best: electric cars were far more common than they are up here, and the air felt remarkably clean. We walked through NW1, seeing terraces of the non-identical Nash buildings that @Leon witters on about. Runners reigned in Regent's Park. The only negative were the homeless; far more prevalent on the Euston Road than litter.

    We rarely do this sort of thing, but it's scarcity made it even more special. And staying at the St Pancras Hotel was a dream fulfilled: in Mrs J's case, a dream she did not know she had...

    I've promised Mrs J we'll so it again for her next fiftieth birthday... ;)

    (*) That is not a euphemism ...

    That's so nice, and especially resonant for me - I spent too much of the night of the Great Storm of 1987 in a train in the train shed. though I have to echo your feelings about the diversion of the Booking Hall to other usage. The stone (or terracotta) locomotives on the frieze inside deserve to be overlooking the ticket offices as of old.
    I have to ask: what frieze?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512

    Carnyx said:

    In other news:

    It was a significant birthday for Mrs J this weekend, so I got childcare in for our son, and took her down to London (*) . Three decades ago, I would travel from St Pancras to Derby on the train. At that time St Pancras was faded grandeur; the glass of Barlow's trainshed greyed out with ancient smoke; the hotel's exterior refurbished in the 1980s, but the interior decayed, abandoned and inaccessible. The stench of diesel filled the air within the vast trainshed, as if a vast mechanical lung was exhaling within. I used to climb up the steps from King's Cross and stand, awe-struck at Scott's fantastical exterior.

    Roll on to this weekend, and I decided to book us in for the night at the refurbished hotel. It was expensive, and I booked a room in the modern Barlow extension, but it was still the St Pancras hotel. We arrived, and we had been upgraded from a room to a suite in the original hotel.

    A suite. It was massive. And our windows looked down over the coach ramp and the Euston Road. we danced around the rooms. We failed to find any convenient plugs. We glided up *that* staircase. We dared not sing 'Wannabe'.

    We had our meals in the Booking Office; somewhere I used to go to buy tickets back home to my parents'. Now restored, but also perhaps having lost a certain something: purpose and decreptiude?

    By nature, I am tight. I don't particularly like spending money. But this weekend was brilliant. We got taxis everywhere, to Fortnum's for afternoon tea (a very rare treat), and then the theatre. Normally, we would either walk or get the tube. But this weekend, I spent.

    Even today's chaos on the ECML did not stop us: instead of waiting amongst the thousands at Kings Cross for a train back to Sr Neots, we took a train to Bedford, and got a taxi the rest of the way.

    London was also at its best: electric cars were far more common than they are up here, and the air felt remarkably clean. We walked through NW1, seeing terraces of the non-identical Nash buildings that @Leon witters on about. Runners reigned in Regent's Park. The only negative were the homeless; far more prevalent on the Euston Road than litter.

    We rarely do this sort of thing, but it's scarcity made it even more special. And staying at the St Pancras Hotel was a dream fulfilled: in Mrs J's case, a dream she did not know she had...

    I've promised Mrs J we'll so it again for her next fiftieth birthday... ;)

    (*) That is not a euphemism ...

    That's so nice, and especially resonant for me - I spent too much of the night of the Great Storm of 1987 in a train in the train shed. though I have to echo your feelings about the diversion of the Booking Hall to other usage. The stone (or terracotta) locomotives on the frieze inside deserve to be overlooking the ticket offices as of old.
    I have to ask: what frieze?
    The one you were chilling under.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,206

    Now about that bank holiday...

    Can’t afford it - it will cost £2.4 billion net including the gains from celebrating.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,726
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy9844egpx8o

    Three dead in German derailment. Fallen tree suspected...
  • HYUFD said:

    I doubt the US would support Taiwan with troops but would send them arms and funds etc as NATO have done with Ukraine.

    Only if Japan or S Korea or the Philippinnes were invaded would the US actually go to war with China

    If China blockades Taiwan even sending them arms would require breaking the blockade. China would not allow the US to simply start shipping weapons into Taiwan.

    The most likely intervention - and the US has wargamed this multiple times - is long range air strikes against a Chinese blockade or invasion fleet.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,686

    Carnyx said:

    In other news:

    It was a significant birthday for Mrs J this weekend, so I got childcare in for our son, and took her down to London (*) . Three decades ago, I would travel from St Pancras to Derby on the train. At that time St Pancras was faded grandeur; the glass of Barlow's trainshed greyed out with ancient smoke; the hotel's exterior refurbished in the 1980s, but the interior decayed, abandoned and inaccessible. The stench of diesel filled the air within the vast trainshed, as if a vast mechanical lung was exhaling within. I used to climb up the steps from King's Cross and stand, awe-struck at Scott's fantastical exterior.

    Roll on to this weekend, and I decided to book us in for the night at the refurbished hotel. It was expensive, and I booked a room in the modern Barlow extension, but it was still the St Pancras hotel. We arrived, and we had been upgraded from a room to a suite in the original hotel.

    A suite. It was massive. And our windows looked down over the coach ramp and the Euston Road. we danced around the rooms. We failed to find any convenient plugs. We glided up *that* staircase. We dared not sing 'Wannabe'.

    We had our meals in the Booking Office; somewhere I used to go to buy tickets back home to my parents'. Now restored, but also perhaps having lost a certain something: purpose and decreptiude?

    By nature, I am tight. I don't particularly like spending money. But this weekend was brilliant. We got taxis everywhere, to Fortnum's for afternoon tea (a very rare treat), and then the theatre. Normally, we would either walk or get the tube. But this weekend, I spent.

    Even today's chaos on the ECML did not stop us: instead of waiting amongst the thousands at Kings Cross for a train back to Sr Neots, we took a train to Bedford, and got a taxi the rest of the way.

    London was also at its best: electric cars were far more common than they are up here, and the air felt remarkably clean. We walked through NW1, seeing terraces of the non-identical Nash buildings that @Leon witters on about. Runners reigned in Regent's Park. The only negative were the homeless; far more prevalent on the Euston Road than litter.

    We rarely do this sort of thing, but it's scarcity made it even more special. And staying at the St Pancras Hotel was a dream fulfilled: in Mrs J's case, a dream she did not know she had...

    I've promised Mrs J we'll so it again for her next fiftieth birthday... ;)

    (*) That is not a euphemism ...

    That's so nice, and especially resonant for me - I spent too much of the night of the Great Storm of 1987 in a train in the train shed. though I have to echo your feelings about the diversion of the Booking Hall to other usage. The stone (or terracotta) locomotives on the frieze inside deserve to be overlooking the ticket offices as of old.
    I have to ask: what frieze?
    Quite right - not a continuous carved frieze, sorry, brain fart. Memory is one of the carved capitals from which the arches of the blind arcading, or the ceiling timbers, spring, but I can't lay my paws on Jack Simmons's classic study of the station to confirm this.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,652
    Dopermean said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    India are the better team. It’s only stokes that keeps us in it. And as soon as he falters - in any way - we’re a bit average. Especially in bowling

    We need to find some amazing bowlers quick, for the ashes

    It's wrong to say India are the better side.

    The teams are quite evenly matched, with both extremely strong in the batting lineup, and both a bit light in the bowling.
    India have the ICC's no 1 bowler, top ICC English bowler is Gus Atkinson, who isn't selected, maybe throwing some doubt on the rankings.
    Pitch and quickly softening ball have not favoured the bowlers on either side.
    Having recently lost two truly great bowlers in Anderson and Broad I think it was inevitable that England would struggle to get a really strong bowling line up for a while. Archer is part of the picture but has had little game time for years. I have a lot of time for Atkinson, Imthink Olly Robinson is good too but seems out of favour. Wood when fit is always value.
    Ultimately though both attacks have fallen victim to Bazball pitches. An older style pitch was meant to break down and become harder to play on. This one was an absolute road, givevor take the odd ball. People laud Lara’s great knock but that one might as well have been played on the M1, so road like was the pitch. Same here. Buckets of runs but in the end a tame draw.

    Somewhere the balance needs to be adjusted.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,553
    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:
    BREAKING: President Trump says the US has reached a trade deal with the EU.

    The deal includes:

    1. Agreement to open up trade at 0% tariff

    2. EU to buy up to $750B of US energy

    3. EU to purchase “vast amounts” of US auto

    4. Tariffs on automobiles reduced to 15%

    Trump calls this “the biggest deal ever reached.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1949523437585609064?s=61

    Points 1 and 4 seem to be at odds with each other. Point 2, “up to” covers a multitude of sins but the EU is already substituting for Russian gas. Point 3 probably means the German car makers will build new plants in America rather than more Cadillacs on autobahns. Point 4, see point 2.
    Underyling all this is a fundamental misconception.

    Are you suggesting that Donald J Trump, the most successful business man in the history of the universe, a man who fought his way up with nothing more than a small loan of a million dollars, and who famously run casinos as they had never been run before, does not understand how international trade works?

    How very dare you sir!
    Yes, Donald J Trump. That guy, the guy who... er.... got elected to the most powerful position on earth. Twice

    What a thicko
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,652
    5
    Scott_xP said:
    Home again (from prison, for the wrongly convicted postmasters?)
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,362
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    In other news:

    It was a significant birthday for Mrs J this weekend, so I got childcare in for our son, and took her down to London (*) . Three decades ago, I would travel from St Pancras to Derby on the train. At that time St Pancras was faded grandeur; the glass of Barlow's trainshed greyed out with ancient smoke; the hotel's exterior refurbished in the 1980s, but the interior decayed, abandoned and inaccessible. The stench of diesel filled the air within the vast trainshed, as if a vast mechanical lung was exhaling within. I used to climb up the steps from King's Cross and stand, awe-struck at Scott's fantastical exterior.

    Roll on to this weekend, and I decided to book us in for the night at the refurbished hotel. It was expensive, and I booked a room in the modern Barlow extension, but it was still the St Pancras hotel. We arrived, and we had been upgraded from a room to a suite in the original hotel.

    A suite. It was massive. And our windows looked down over the coach ramp and the Euston Road. we danced around the rooms. We failed to find any convenient plugs. We glided up *that* staircase. We dared not sing 'Wannabe'.

    We had our meals in the Booking Office; somewhere I used to go to buy tickets back home to my parents'. Now restored, but also perhaps having lost a certain something: purpose and decreptiude?

    By nature, I am tight. I don't particularly like spending money. But this weekend was brilliant. We got taxis everywhere, to Fortnum's for afternoon tea (a very rare treat), and then the theatre. Normally, we would either walk or get the tube. But this weekend, I spent.

    Even today's chaos on the ECML did not stop us: instead of waiting amongst the thousands at Kings Cross for a train back to Sr Neots, we took a train to Bedford, and got a taxi the rest of the way.

    London was also at its best: electric cars were far more common than they are up here, and the air felt remarkably clean. We walked through NW1, seeing terraces of the non-identical Nash buildings that @Leon witters on about. Runners reigned in Regent's Park. The only negative were the homeless; far more prevalent on the Euston Road than litter.

    We rarely do this sort of thing, but it's scarcity made it even more special. And staying at the St Pancras Hotel was a dream fulfilled: in Mrs J's case, a dream she did not know she had...

    I've promised Mrs J we'll so it again for her next fiftieth birthday... ;)

    (*) That is not a euphemism ...

    That's so nice, and especially resonant for me - I spent too much of the night of the Great Storm of 1987 in a train in the train shed. though I have to echo your feelings about the diversion of the Booking Hall to other usage. The stone (or terracotta) locomotives on the frieze inside deserve to be overlooking the ticket offices as of old.
    I have to ask: what frieze?
    Quite right - not a continuous carved frieze, sorry, brain fart. Memory is one of the carved capitals from which the arches of the blind arcading, or the ceiling timbers, spring, but I can't lay my paws on Jack Simmons's classic study of the station to confirm this.
    One (weird) question I had from the Booking Office: the foils (lights) at the top of the windows were three, four or five petalled, seemingly at random (tresfoil, quatrefoil, cinquefoil). The pattern was different from one side of the Booking Office to the other. I wondered why. Mrs J smiled and sipped her drink... :)

    (see 2nd picture down at https://thetravelista.net/home/restaurant-reviews/winter-indulgence-booking-office-london/ )
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,553
    Dopermean said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    India are the better team. It’s only stokes that keeps us in it. And as soon as he falters - in any way - we’re a bit average. Especially in bowling

    We need to find some amazing bowlers quick, for the ashes

    It's wrong to say India are the better side.

    The teams are quite evenly matched, with both extremely strong in the batting lineup, and both a bit light in the bowling.
    India have the ICC's no 1 bowler, top ICC English bowler is Gus Atkinson, who isn't selected, maybe throwing some doubt on the rankings.
    Pitch and quickly softening ball have not favoured the bowlers on either side.
    Yes, India are palpably the superior bowling side, and roughly as good as us with the bat, so I make them the better team. It really is Stokes that makes the diff
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,553

    In other news:

    It was a significant birthday for Mrs J this weekend, so I got childcare in for our son, and took her down to London (*) . Three decades ago, I would travel from St Pancras to Derby on the train. At that time St Pancras was faded grandeur; the glass of Barlow's trainshed greyed out with ancient smoke; the hotel's exterior refurbished in the 1980s, but the interior decayed, abandoned and inaccessible. The stench of diesel filled the air within the vast trainshed, as if a vast mechanical lung was exhaling within. I used to climb up the steps from King's Cross and stand, awe-struck at Scott's fantastical exterior.

    Roll on to this weekend, and I decided to book us in for the night at the refurbished hotel. It was expensive, and I booked a room in the modern Barlow extension, but it was still the St Pancras hotel. We arrived, and we had been upgraded from a room to a suite in the original hotel.

    A suite. It was massive. And our windows looked down over the coach ramp and the Euston Road. we danced around the rooms. We failed to find any convenient plugs. We glided up *that* staircase. We dared not sing 'Wannabe'.

    We had our meals in the Booking Office; somewhere I used to go to buy tickets back home to my parents'. Now restored, but also perhaps having lost a certain something: purpose and decreptiude?

    By nature, I am tight. I don't particularly like spending money. But this weekend was brilliant. We got taxis everywhere, to Fortnum's for afternoon tea (a very rare treat), and then the theatre. Normally, we would either walk or get the tube. But this weekend, I spent.

    Even today's chaos on the ECML did not stop us: instead of waiting amongst the thousands at Kings Cross for a train back to Sr Neots, we took a train to Bedford, and got a taxi the rest of the way.

    London was also at its best: electric cars were far more common than they are up here, and the air felt remarkably clean. We walked through NW1, seeing terraces of the non-identical Nash buildings that @Leon witters on about. Runners reigned in Regent's Park. The only negative were the homeless; far more prevalent on the Euston Road than litter.

    We rarely do this sort of thing, but it's scarcity made it even more special. And staying at the St Pancras Hotel was a dream fulfilled: in Mrs J's case, a dream she did not know she had...

    I've promised Mrs J we'll so it again for her next fiftieth birthday... ;)

    (*) That is not a euphemism ...

    Very nice. I am glad you enjoyed the Nash Terraces. They are sublime
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,663
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:
    BREAKING: President Trump says the US has reached a trade deal with the EU.

    The deal includes:

    1. Agreement to open up trade at 0% tariff

    2. EU to buy up to $750B of US energy

    3. EU to purchase “vast amounts” of US auto

    4. Tariffs on automobiles reduced to 15%

    Trump calls this “the biggest deal ever reached.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1949523437585609064?s=61

    Points 1 and 4 seem to be at odds with each other. Point 2, “up to” covers a multitude of sins but the EU is already substituting for Russian gas. Point 3 probably means the German car makers will build new plants in America rather than more Cadillacs on autobahns. Point 4, see point 2.
    Underyling all this is a fundamental misconception.

    Are you suggesting that Donald J Trump, the most successful business man in the history of the universe, a man who fought his way up with nothing more than a small loan of a million dollars, and who famously run casinos as they had never been run before, does not understand how international trade works?

    How very dare you sir!
    Yes, Donald J Trump. That guy, the guy who... er.... got elected to the most powerful position on earth. Twice

    What a thicko
    Is there any correlation between electoral success and IQ ?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512
    edited July 27
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:
    BREAKING: President Trump says the US has reached a trade deal with the EU.

    The deal includes:

    1. Agreement to open up trade at 0% tariff

    2. EU to buy up to $750B of US energy

    3. EU to purchase “vast amounts” of US auto

    4. Tariffs on automobiles reduced to 15%

    Trump calls this “the biggest deal ever reached.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1949523437585609064?s=61

    Points 1 and 4 seem to be at odds with each other. Point 2, “up to” covers a multitude of sins but the EU is already substituting for Russian gas. Point 3 probably means the German car makers will build new plants in America rather than more Cadillacs on autobahns. Point 4, see point 2.
    Underyling all this is a fundamental misconception.

    Are you suggesting that Donald J Trump, the most successful business man in the history of the universe, a man who fought his way up with nothing more than a small loan of a million dollars, and who famously run casinos as they had never been run before, does not understand how international trade works?

    How very dare you sir!
    Yes, Donald J Trump. That guy, the guy who... er.... got elected to the most powerful position on earth. Twice

    What a thicko
    Plenty of very intelligent people don't understand international finance.

    And plenty of incredibly dumb people get elected to even very high offices. Have you ever read the speeches of Warren G. Harding?

    Edit - and the point I was actually making, although I realise a man who doesn't understand how his washing machine works may not have fully grasped it, is that Trump isn't actually much good at business. I don't think that's a controversial point. He's lost several fortunes and it has become very clear he rebuilt himself each time through fraud and graft, later through reality TV and finally through being elected President and milking the office for all it's worth.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,298
    Taz said:

    Wade v Littler darts final tonight. 👍

    "Oh that's a bad one , a single pint at this stage . He really needs a triple gin with ice and lemon"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SJnSmQCxkg&t=1s
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,553
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:
    BREAKING: President Trump says the US has reached a trade deal with the EU.

    The deal includes:

    1. Agreement to open up trade at 0% tariff

    2. EU to buy up to $750B of US energy

    3. EU to purchase “vast amounts” of US auto

    4. Tariffs on automobiles reduced to 15%

    Trump calls this “the biggest deal ever reached.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1949523437585609064?s=61

    Points 1 and 4 seem to be at odds with each other. Point 2, “up to” covers a multitude of sins but the EU is already substituting for Russian gas. Point 3 probably means the German car makers will build new plants in America rather than more Cadillacs on autobahns. Point 4, see point 2.
    Underyling all this is a fundamental misconception.

    Are you suggesting that Donald J Trump, the most successful business man in the history of the universe, a man who fought his way up with nothing more than a small loan of a million dollars, and who famously run casinos as they had never been run before, does not understand how international trade works?

    How very dare you sir!
    Yes, Donald J Trump. That guy, the guy who... er.... got elected to the most powerful position on earth. Twice

    What a thicko
    Is there any correlation between electoral success and IQ ?
    In an advanced mature democracy like the USA, very very much Yes

    The inability of PB to grasp this is fucking dreary. And, indeed, sad evidence of PB's intellectual mediocrity

    Trump is many bad things: an egotist, a narcissist, a pus*y grabber, a wanker, a blowhard, a tit, possibly a rapist, certainly a toad of the first water. He is probably unfit to be POTUS and he might deserve to be in jail. But he is also notably clever and cunning, and he knows how to game the American electoral system. And he's often very sharp, and quite often rather funny

    Sorry
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,362
    Leon said:

    In other news:

    It was a significant birthday for Mrs J this weekend, so I got childcare in for our son, and took her down to London (*) . Three decades ago, I would travel from St Pancras to Derby on the train. At that time St Pancras was faded grandeur; the glass of Barlow's trainshed greyed out with ancient smoke; the hotel's exterior refurbished in the 1980s, but the interior decayed, abandoned and inaccessible. The stench of diesel filled the air within the vast trainshed, as if a vast mechanical lung was exhaling within. I used to climb up the steps from King's Cross and stand, awe-struck at Scott's fantastical exterior.

    Roll on to this weekend, and I decided to book us in for the night at the refurbished hotel. It was expensive, and I booked a room in the modern Barlow extension, but it was still the St Pancras hotel. We arrived, and we had been upgraded from a room to a suite in the original hotel.

    A suite. It was massive. And our windows looked down over the coach ramp and the Euston Road. we danced around the rooms. We failed to find any convenient plugs. We glided up *that* staircase. We dared not sing 'Wannabe'.

    We had our meals in the Booking Office; somewhere I used to go to buy tickets back home to my parents'. Now restored, but also perhaps having lost a certain something: purpose and decreptiude?

    By nature, I am tight. I don't particularly like spending money. But this weekend was brilliant. We got taxis everywhere, to Fortnum's for afternoon tea (a very rare treat), and then the theatre. Normally, we would either walk or get the tube. But this weekend, I spent.

    Even today's chaos on the ECML did not stop us: instead of waiting amongst the thousands at Kings Cross for a train back to Sr Neots, we took a train to Bedford, and got a taxi the rest of the way.

    London was also at its best: electric cars were far more common than they are up here, and the air felt remarkably clean. We walked through NW1, seeing terraces of the non-identical Nash buildings that @Leon witters on about. Runners reigned in Regent's Park. The only negative were the homeless; far more prevalent on the Euston Road than litter.

    We rarely do this sort of thing, but it's scarcity made it even more special. And staying at the St Pancras Hotel was a dream fulfilled: in Mrs J's case, a dream she did not know she had...

    I've promised Mrs J we'll so it again for her next fiftieth birthday... ;)

    (*) That is not a euphemism ...

    Very nice. I am glad you enjoyed the Nash Terraces. They are sublime
    Meh. They're identikit housing. No individuality... ;)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,964

    ChatGPT may be driving people to psychosis as millions of people turn to artificial intelligence (AI) for friendship and advice, NHS doctors have warned...

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/07/27/doctors-fear-chatgpt-fuelling-psychosis/

    Wonders about PB regulars who have in the past posted widely about how they talk to it via the voice assistant all the time.

    What about the LLMs that are forced to have conversations with Cornish semi-semi-demi racists with half a million personalities?

    #LLMLivesMatter
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,298
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:
    BREAKING: President Trump says the US has reached a trade deal with the EU.

    The deal includes:

    1. Agreement to open up trade at 0% tariff

    2. EU to buy up to $750B of US energy

    3. EU to purchase “vast amounts” of US auto

    4. Tariffs on automobiles reduced to 15%

    Trump calls this “the biggest deal ever reached.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1949523437585609064?s=61

    Points 1 and 4 seem to be at odds with each other. Point 2, “up to” covers a multitude of sins but the EU is already substituting for Russian gas. Point 3 probably means the German car makers will build new plants in America rather than more Cadillacs on autobahns. Point 4, see point 2.
    Underyling all this is a fundamental misconception.

    Are you suggesting that Donald J Trump, the most successful business man in the history of the universe, a man who fought his way up with nothing more than a small loan of a million dollars, and who famously run casinos as they had never been run before, does not understand how international trade works?

    How very dare you sir!
    Yes, Donald J Trump. That guy, the guy who... er.... got elected to the most powerful position on earth. Twice

    What a thicko
    Is there any correlation between electoral success and IQ ?
    "Brawndo. It's got electrolytes."
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,287
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:
    BREAKING: President Trump says the US has reached a trade deal with the EU.

    The deal includes:

    1. Agreement to open up trade at 0% tariff

    2. EU to buy up to $750B of US energy

    3. EU to purchase “vast amounts” of US auto

    4. Tariffs on automobiles reduced to 15%

    Trump calls this “the biggest deal ever reached.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1949523437585609064?s=61

    Points 1 and 4 seem to be at odds with each other. Point 2, “up to” covers a multitude of sins but the EU is already substituting for Russian gas. Point 3 probably means the German car makers will build new plants in America rather than more Cadillacs on autobahns. Point 4, see point 2.
    Underyling all this is a fundamental misconception.

    Are you suggesting that Donald J Trump, the most successful business man in the history of the universe, a man who fought his way up with nothing more than a small loan of a million dollars, and who famously run casinos as they had never been run before, does not understand how international trade works?

    How very dare you sir!
    Yes, Donald J Trump. That guy, the guy who... er.... got elected to the most powerful position on earth. Twice

    What a thicko
    Is there any correlation between electoral success and IQ ?
    There's a fair bit of confounding on the relationship between any sort of success and IQ. Desire is probably more important, and many of the smartest people have decided to play a different game. (This isn't always wise, since it lets people like Trump take the crown.)

    Or as a really smart guy once said,

    Don't like people to get the idea that I have to do this [performing brilliant satirical songs] for a living. I mean, it isn't as though I had to do this, you know, I could be making, oh, 3000 dollars a year just teaching.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,553

    Leon said:

    In other news:

    It was a significant birthday for Mrs J this weekend, so I got childcare in for our son, and took her down to London (*) . Three decades ago, I would travel from St Pancras to Derby on the train. At that time St Pancras was faded grandeur; the glass of Barlow's trainshed greyed out with ancient smoke; the hotel's exterior refurbished in the 1980s, but the interior decayed, abandoned and inaccessible. The stench of diesel filled the air within the vast trainshed, as if a vast mechanical lung was exhaling within. I used to climb up the steps from King's Cross and stand, awe-struck at Scott's fantastical exterior.

    Roll on to this weekend, and I decided to book us in for the night at the refurbished hotel. It was expensive, and I booked a room in the modern Barlow extension, but it was still the St Pancras hotel. We arrived, and we had been upgraded from a room to a suite in the original hotel.

    A suite. It was massive. And our windows looked down over the coach ramp and the Euston Road. we danced around the rooms. We failed to find any convenient plugs. We glided up *that* staircase. We dared not sing 'Wannabe'.

    We had our meals in the Booking Office; somewhere I used to go to buy tickets back home to my parents'. Now restored, but also perhaps having lost a certain something: purpose and decreptiude?

    By nature, I am tight. I don't particularly like spending money. But this weekend was brilliant. We got taxis everywhere, to Fortnum's for afternoon tea (a very rare treat), and then the theatre. Normally, we would either walk or get the tube. But this weekend, I spent.

    Even today's chaos on the ECML did not stop us: instead of waiting amongst the thousands at Kings Cross for a train back to Sr Neots, we took a train to Bedford, and got a taxi the rest of the way.

    London was also at its best: electric cars were far more common than they are up here, and the air felt remarkably clean. We walked through NW1, seeing terraces of the non-identical Nash buildings that @Leon witters on about. Runners reigned in Regent's Park. The only negative were the homeless; far more prevalent on the Euston Road than litter.

    We rarely do this sort of thing, but it's scarcity made it even more special. And staying at the St Pancras Hotel was a dream fulfilled: in Mrs J's case, a dream she did not know she had...

    I've promised Mrs J we'll so it again for her next fiftieth birthday... ;)

    (*) That is not a euphemism ...

    Very nice. I am glad you enjoyed the Nash Terraces. They are sublime
    Meh. They're identikit housing. No individuality... ;)
    Fascinatingly, that was one of the accusations levelled by Victorians against Georgian housing. "It's all the same". So Victorians wanted more ornamentation - stained glass, weird balconies, ornate cornices, etc

    The postwar era remains an abominable stain, however. It is probably the only architectural era, esp in housing, which has not improved over time. We are now many many decades from the housing and townscapes of the 50s and 60s, and they STILL look like shit
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,389
    Leon said:

    he's often very sharp

    And more often senile
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,663
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:
    BREAKING: President Trump says the US has reached a trade deal with the EU.

    The deal includes:

    1. Agreement to open up trade at 0% tariff

    2. EU to buy up to $750B of US energy

    3. EU to purchase “vast amounts” of US auto

    4. Tariffs on automobiles reduced to 15%

    Trump calls this “the biggest deal ever reached.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1949523437585609064?s=61

    Points 1 and 4 seem to be at odds with each other. Point 2, “up to” covers a multitude of sins but the EU is already substituting for Russian gas. Point 3 probably means the German car makers will build new plants in America rather than more Cadillacs on autobahns. Point 4, see point 2.
    Underyling all this is a fundamental misconception.

    Are you suggesting that Donald J Trump, the most successful business man in the history of the universe, a man who fought his way up with nothing more than a small loan of a million dollars, and who famously run casinos as they had never been run before, does not understand how international trade works?

    How very dare you sir!
    Yes, Donald J Trump. That guy, the guy who... er.... got elected to the most powerful position on earth. Twice

    What a thicko
    Plenty of very intelligent people don't understand international finance.

    And plenty of incredibly dumb people get elected to even very high offices. Have you ever read the speeches of Warren G. Harding?

    Edit - and the point I was actually making, although I realise a man who doesn't understand how his washing machine works may not have fully grasped it, is that Trump isn't actually much good at business. I don't think that's a controversial point. He's lost several fortunes and it has become very clear he rebuilt himself each time through fraud and graft, later through reality TV and finally through being elected President and milking the office for all it's worth.
    Trump is a senile loon.

    The president is calling for the prosecution of Beyoncé…for something that did not happen.

    It’s not like a dispute of fact. He’s calling for her to be charged with a crime over a nonexistent payment conjured up by supporters on social media.

    https://x.com/ddale8/status/1949502176759349336

    Leon continues to believe that he possesses a high IQ.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,947
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:
    BREAKING: President Trump says the US has reached a trade deal with the EU.

    The deal includes:

    1. Agreement to open up trade at 0% tariff

    2. EU to buy up to $750B of US energy

    3. EU to purchase “vast amounts” of US auto

    4. Tariffs on automobiles reduced to 15%

    Trump calls this “the biggest deal ever reached.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1949523437585609064?s=61

    Points 1 and 4 seem to be at odds with each other. Point 2, “up to” covers a multitude of sins but the EU is already substituting for Russian gas. Point 3 probably means the German car makers will build new plants in America rather than more Cadillacs on autobahns. Point 4, see point 2.
    Underyling all this is a fundamental misconception.

    Are you suggesting that Donald J Trump, the most successful business man in the history of the universe, a man who fought his way up with nothing more than a small loan of a million dollars, and who famously run casinos as they had never been run before, does not understand how international trade works?

    How very dare you sir!
    Yes, Donald J Trump. That guy, the guy who... er.... got elected to the most powerful position on earth. Twice

    What a thicko
    Is there any correlation between electoral success and IQ ?
    In an advanced mature democracy like the USA, very very much Yes

    The inability of PB to grasp this is fucking dreary. And, indeed, sad evidence of PB's intellectual mediocrity

    Trump is many bad things: an egotist, a narcissist, a pus*y grabber, a wanker, a blowhard, a tit, possibly a rapist, certainly a toad of the first water. He is probably unfit to be POTUS and he might deserve to be in jail. But he is also notably clever and cunning, and he knows how to game the American electoral system. And he's often very sharp, and quite often rather funny

    Sorry
    He is as thick as two short planks and incredibly ignorant. How many examples of utterly stupid things he has said do you need. The list of his ignorant utterances is endless.

    You are so gullible.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,192
    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:
    BREAKING: President Trump says the US has reached a trade deal with the EU.

    The deal includes:

    1. Agreement to open up trade at 0% tariff

    2. EU to buy up to $750B of US energy

    3. EU to purchase “vast amounts” of US auto

    4. Tariffs on automobiles reduced to 15%

    Trump calls this “the biggest deal ever reached.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1949523437585609064?s=61

    Points 1 and 4 seem to be at odds with each other. Point 2, “up to” covers a multitude of sins but the EU is already substituting for Russian gas. Point 3 probably means the German car makers will build new plants in America rather than more Cadillacs on autobahns. Point 4, see point 2.
    Underyling all this is a fundamental misconception.

    The EU - that is, the economic actor that is the institutions of the EU - does not buy cars or oil or gas.

    The EU can no more force its citizens to purchase US cars than I can make certain PBers like pineapple on pizza.

    The same is true for energy.

    Crude oil, LNG cargoes, middle distillates and the like are purchased by power generators, refiners and chains of petrol stations. They are not bought centrally by the government and distributed accordingly.

    Now, that doesn't mean that the government can't facilitate trade. They can subsidise the building of LNG import terminals, or allow new oil pipeline to run from Milford Haven, or the like. But they can't force economic actors to do things against their best interest.

    And they certainly can't make French consumers buy US made cars. (And what US made cars would they buy anyway? The US automaker all have massive European manufacturing facilities, because holding and moving inventory around the world is expensive.)
    The MAGA crowd think that the sun shines out of Trump's arse, so every MWh of solar generated in the EU counts as an import from the USA.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,553
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    he's often very sharp

    And more often senile
    I am open to evidence of this, but I am unconvinced of this. He is nowhere near as fucked as Biden was by this same stage

    Every time I think "OK Trump is gaga" the next day he comes out and he's sharp and witty, in his dry sardonic way

    Biden was just relentless decline, from 2020 on

    Trump is really quite old, so one day the years will catch up, but I'm not sure that's happening yet
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:
    BREAKING: President Trump says the US has reached a trade deal with the EU.

    The deal includes:

    1. Agreement to open up trade at 0% tariff

    2. EU to buy up to $750B of US energy

    3. EU to purchase “vast amounts” of US auto

    4. Tariffs on automobiles reduced to 15%

    Trump calls this “the biggest deal ever reached.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1949523437585609064?s=61

    Points 1 and 4 seem to be at odds with each other. Point 2, “up to” covers a multitude of sins but the EU is already substituting for Russian gas. Point 3 probably means the German car makers will build new plants in America rather than more Cadillacs on autobahns. Point 4, see point 2.
    Underyling all this is a fundamental misconception.

    The EU - that is, the economic actor that is the institutions of the EU - does not buy cars or oil or gas.

    The EU can no more force its citizens to purchase US cars than I can make certain PBers like pineapple on pizza.

    The same is true for energy.

    Crude oil, LNG cargoes, middle distillates and the like are purchased by power generators, refiners and chains of petrol stations. They are not bought centrally by the government and distributed accordingly.

    Now, that doesn't mean that the government can't facilitate trade. They can subsidise the building of LNG import terminals, or allow new oil pipeline to run from Milford Haven, or the like. But they can't force economic actors to do things against their best interest.

    And they certainly can't make French consumers buy US made cars. (And what US made cars would they buy anyway? The US automaker all have massive European manufacturing facilities, because holding and moving inventory around the world is expensive.)
    The MAGA crowd think that the sun shines out of Trump's arse, so every MWh of solar generated in the EU counts as an import from the USA.
    Tbf, he also produces enough hot air to power the whole of Russia.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:
    BREAKING: President Trump says the US has reached a trade deal with the EU.

    The deal includes:

    1. Agreement to open up trade at 0% tariff

    2. EU to buy up to $750B of US energy

    3. EU to purchase “vast amounts” of US auto

    4. Tariffs on automobiles reduced to 15%

    Trump calls this “the biggest deal ever reached.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1949523437585609064?s=61

    Points 1 and 4 seem to be at odds with each other. Point 2, “up to” covers a multitude of sins but the EU is already substituting for Russian gas. Point 3 probably means the German car makers will build new plants in America rather than more Cadillacs on autobahns. Point 4, see point 2.
    Underyling all this is a fundamental misconception.

    Are you suggesting that Donald J Trump, the most successful business man in the history of the universe, a man who fought his way up with nothing more than a small loan of a million dollars, and who famously run casinos as they had never been run before, does not understand how international trade works?

    How very dare you sir!
    Yes, Donald J Trump. That guy, the guy who... er.... got elected to the most powerful position on earth. Twice

    What a thicko
    Plenty of very intelligent people don't understand international finance.

    And plenty of incredibly dumb people get elected to even very high offices. Have you ever read the speeches of Warren G. Harding?

    Edit - and the point I was actually making, although I realise a man who doesn't understand how his washing machine works may not have fully grasped it, is that Trump isn't actually much good at business. I don't think that's a controversial point. He's lost several fortunes and it has become very clear he rebuilt himself each time through fraud and graft, later through reality TV and finally through being elected President and milking the office for all it's worth.
    Trump is a senile loon.

    The president is calling for the prosecution of Beyoncé…for something that did not happen.

    It’s not like a dispute of fact. He’s calling for her to be charged with a crime over a nonexistent payment conjured up by supporters on social media.

    https://x.com/ddale8/status/1949502176759349336

    Leon continues to believe that he possesses a high IQ.
    'He' being Leon or Trump?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,356

    5

    Scott_xP said:
    Home again (from prison, for the wrongly convicted postmasters?)
    No. The football - the round thing in the round parcel - is coming home - the address on the parcel. So the football is coming home. It's a subtle reference to the lyric "football's coming home" from a song about the football coming home in 1996, when it didn't, speaking about when the football came home in 1966, fifty-nine years ago, left, and has wandered the world ever since, being home in other countries than this one and building extensions, repainting the walls, and installing cushions. But now it is back home everything is all right and nobody will be sad again. Happiness for all!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,553
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:
    BREAKING: President Trump says the US has reached a trade deal with the EU.

    The deal includes:

    1. Agreement to open up trade at 0% tariff

    2. EU to buy up to $750B of US energy

    3. EU to purchase “vast amounts” of US auto

    4. Tariffs on automobiles reduced to 15%

    Trump calls this “the biggest deal ever reached.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1949523437585609064?s=61

    Points 1 and 4 seem to be at odds with each other. Point 2, “up to” covers a multitude of sins but the EU is already substituting for Russian gas. Point 3 probably means the German car makers will build new plants in America rather than more Cadillacs on autobahns. Point 4, see point 2.
    Underyling all this is a fundamental misconception.

    Are you suggesting that Donald J Trump, the most successful business man in the history of the universe, a man who fought his way up with nothing more than a small loan of a million dollars, and who famously run casinos as they had never been run before, does not understand how international trade works?

    How very dare you sir!
    Yes, Donald J Trump. That guy, the guy who... er.... got elected to the most powerful position on earth. Twice

    What a thicko
    Is there any correlation between electoral success and IQ ?
    In an advanced mature democracy like the USA, very very much Yes

    The inability of PB to grasp this is fucking dreary. And, indeed, sad evidence of PB's intellectual mediocrity

    Trump is many bad things: an egotist, a narcissist, a pus*y grabber, a wanker, a blowhard, a tit, possibly a rapist, certainly a toad of the first water. He is probably unfit to be POTUS and he might deserve to be in jail. But he is also notably clever and cunning, and he knows how to game the American electoral system. And he's often very sharp, and quite often rather funny

    Sorry
    He is as thick as two short planks and incredibly ignorant. How many examples of utterly stupid things he has said do you need. The list of his ignorant utterances is endless.

    You are so gullible.
    I mean, what does one do with stupidity like this?

    I guess, ignore it?

    I shall do you a favour and ignore you from now on, whatever you say
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,663
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:
    BREAKING: President Trump says the US has reached a trade deal with the EU.

    The deal includes:

    1. Agreement to open up trade at 0% tariff

    2. EU to buy up to $750B of US energy

    3. EU to purchase “vast amounts” of US auto

    4. Tariffs on automobiles reduced to 15%

    Trump calls this “the biggest deal ever reached.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1949523437585609064?s=61

    Points 1 and 4 seem to be at odds with each other. Point 2, “up to” covers a multitude of sins but the EU is already substituting for Russian gas. Point 3 probably means the German car makers will build new plants in America rather than more Cadillacs on autobahns. Point 4, see point 2.
    Underyling all this is a fundamental misconception.

    Are you suggesting that Donald J Trump, the most successful business man in the history of the universe, a man who fought his way up with nothing more than a small loan of a million dollars, and who famously run casinos as they had never been run before, does not understand how international trade works?

    How very dare you sir!
    Yes, Donald J Trump. That guy, the guy who... er.... got elected to the most powerful position on earth. Twice

    What a thicko
    Plenty of very intelligent people don't understand international finance.

    And plenty of incredibly dumb people get elected to even very high offices. Have you ever read the speeches of Warren G. Harding?

    Edit - and the point I was actually making, although I realise a man who doesn't understand how his washing machine works may not have fully grasped it, is that Trump isn't actually much good at business. I don't think that's a controversial point. He's lost several fortunes and it has become very clear he rebuilt himself each time through fraud and graft, later through reality TV and finally through being elected President and milking the office for all it's worth.
    Trump is a senile loon.

    The president is calling for the prosecution of Beyoncé…for something that did not happen.

    It’s not like a dispute of fact. He’s calling for her to be charged with a crime over a nonexistent payment conjured up by supporters on social media.

    https://x.com/ddale8/status/1949502176759349336

    Leon continues to believe that he possesses a high IQ.
    'He' being Leon or Trump?
    Yes.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,553
    Ah

    You are trying to bore me into leaving the site. Got it
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,529

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:
    That's enormously advantageous to EU carmakers, given that US car makers are struggling with massive tariffs on steel and aluminum, and auto parts. It will almost certainly be cheaper to build cars in the EU and export them to the US, than to build them in the US

    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    *TRUMP: EU AGREES TO PURCHASE $750B OF AMERICAN ENERGY ANNUALLY

    The European Union doesn’t even consume $600B of energy per year.
    So the EU has agreed to overpay by $150 billion?

    No wonder Trump is happy.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512
    Leon said:

    Ah

    You are trying to bore me into leaving the site. Got it

    We're just worried about your low productivity given the hours you spend on here and thought you might be encouraged into taking a quick knap.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,652
    viewcode said:

    5

    Scott_xP said:
    Home again (from prison, for the wrongly convicted postmasters?)
    No. The football - the round thing in the round parcel - is coming home - the address on the parcel. So the football is coming home. It's a subtle reference to the lyric "football's coming home" from a song about the football coming home in 1996, when it didn't, speaking about when the football came home in 1966, fifty-nine years ago, left, and has wandered the world ever since, being home in other countries than this one and building extensions, repainting the walls, and installing cushions. But now it is back home everything is all right and nobody will be sad again. Happiness for all!
    Well obviously.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,484

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:
    BREAKING: President Trump says the US has reached a trade deal with the EU.

    The deal includes:

    1. Agreement to open up trade at 0% tariff

    2. EU to buy up to $750B of US energy

    3. EU to purchase “vast amounts” of US auto

    4. Tariffs on automobiles reduced to 15%

    Trump calls this “the biggest deal ever reached.”

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1949523437585609064?s=61

    Points 1 and 4 seem to be at odds with each other. Point 2, “up to” covers a multitude of sins but the EU is already substituting for Russian gas. Point 3 probably means the German car makers will build new plants in America rather than more Cadillacs on autobahns. Point 4, see point 2.
    Underyling all this is a fundamental misconception.

    Are you suggesting that Donald J Trump, the most successful business man in the history of the universe, a man who fought his way up with nothing more than a small loan of a million dollars, and who famously run casinos as they had never been run before, does not understand how international trade works?

    How very dare you sir!
    Yes, Donald J Trump. That guy, the guy who... er.... got elected to the most powerful position on earth. Twice

    What a thicko
    Is there any correlation between electoral success and IQ ?
    There's a fair bit of confounding on the relationship between any sort of success and IQ. Desire is probably more important, and many of the smartest people have decided to play a different game. (This isn't always wise, since it lets people like Trump take the crown.)

    Or as a really smart guy once said,

    Don't like people to get the idea that I have to do this [performing brilliant satirical songs] for a living. I mean, it isn't as though I had to do this, you know, I could be making, oh, 3000 dollars a year just teaching.
    For your excellent combination of two topics of note, you win PB tonight. Nice one.
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