He's really suggesting it will net cost the NHS money?
Between doctors time, administering actual drugs, monitoring, oversight, lawyers….
I’m thinking that “NHS Exit” will need a Richard Rogers designed headquarters, lots of art. A huge number of NU10K on 6 figures knowing nothing…
I’ll run it for £684,463 per year.
Cancel devolution and use the Scottish parliament. Orwellian enough.
Devolution appears to have been at least sidestepped as apparently all the SLab MPs voted on the Assisted Dying England & Wales bill. No doubt the Anglo Brits will shortly be bleating about this assault on their democracy.
To be fair that is pretty poor given this is a devolved matter. And I say that as a long standing supporter of Scottish Independence.
If there's one thing that comes to mind with SLab - it's the very word "disappointed".
Plaid MPs also voted on assisted dying despite the fact the Senedd are supposed to consent before it comes into law in Wales
He's really suggesting it will net cost the NHS money?
Between doctors time, administering actual drugs, monitoring, oversight, lawyers….
I’m thinking that “NHS Exit” will need a Richard Rogers designed headquarters, lots of art. A huge number of NU10K on 6 figures knowing nothing…
I’ll run it for £684,463 per year.
Cancel devolution and use the Scottish parliament. Orwellian enough.
Devolution appears to have been at least sidestepped as apparently all the SLab MPs voted on the Assisted Dying England & Wales bill. No doubt the Anglo Brits will shortly be bleating about this assault on their democracy.
To be fair that is pretty poor given this is a devolved matter. And I say that as a long standing supporter of Scottish Independence.
Unionist parties gotta Union. Pretty sure Unionism is now the unifying principle for the PLP, far above social justice, equality and an ethical foreign policy.
- a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -
All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse
Just a glimpse. A glimpse
Not the Stevie Winwood track, which is better in every conceivable way
Different song I think. Amy's was a cover of the Zutons'.
Yes, and the Monkees did a belter called ‘Valleri’, again a different track but better than the Whinehouse one IMHO
And who did the remix of the Winwood version with the soft-porn video set in an aerobics class?
Why that would be Eric Prydz, and I didn’t need to google it.
Call on Me.
Would be frowned on today.
I believe Steve re-recorded "Call on me" specifically for Eric Prydz. The hit of Valerie was a remastering (with an orchestral flavour) version of the rather subdued track on Arc of a Diver.
Steve is only in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a member of Traffic, which demonstrates what a load of old shite the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is, particularly if you check out some of the 3rd rate American inductees.
Steve's eldest daughter is married to a guy who bankrolls the Conservative Party. Can't remember his name mind.
He's really suggesting it will net cost the NHS money?
Between doctors time, administering actual drugs, monitoring, oversight, lawyers….
I’m thinking that “NHS Exit” will need a Richard Rogers designed headquarters, lots of art. A huge number of NU10K on 6 figures knowing nothing…
I’ll run it for £684,463 per year.
Cancel devolution and use the Scottish parliament. Orwellian enough.
Devolution appears to have been at least sidestepped as apparently all the SLab MPs voted on the Assisted Dying England & Wales bill. No doubt the Anglo Brits will shortly be bleating about this assault on their democracy.
To be fair that is pretty poor given this is a devolved matter. And I say that as a long standing supporter of Scottish Independence.
If there's one thing that comes to mind with SLab - it's the very word "disappointed".
Plaid MPs also voted on assisted dying despite the fact the Senedd are supposed to consent before it comes into law in Wales
Some names from the past e.g Charles, Carlotta, Dodds and of course Plato
I think we had slightly more variety of posters back then with a wider range of views.
They've all upgraded to PB-Pro now. Are you not a member? There is a patreon. Tragic that they're reduced to that - but at least there's not an onlyfans yet.
He's really suggesting it will net cost the NHS money?
Between doctors time, administering actual drugs, monitoring, oversight, lawyers….
I’m thinking that “NHS Exit” will need a Richard Rogers designed headquarters, lots of art. A huge number of NU10K on 6 figures knowing nothing…
I’ll run it for £684,463 per year.
Cancel devolution and use the Scottish parliament. Orwellian enough.
Devolution appears to have been at least sidestepped as apparently all the SLab MPs voted on the Assisted Dying England & Wales bill. No doubt the Anglo Brits will shortly be bleating about this assault on their democracy.
To be fair that is pretty poor given this is a devolved matter. And I say that as a long standing supporter of Scottish Independence.
If there's one thing that comes to mind with SLab - it's the very word "disappointed".
Plaid MPs also voted on assisted dying despite the fact the Senedd are supposed to consent before it comes into law in Wales
That's not a despite, its England and Wales legislation. Yes the Senedd need to consent but that comes after the legislation is voted on in Parliament, so of course they should vote.
Some names from the past e.g Charles, Carlotta, Dodds and of course Plato
I think we had slightly more variety of posters back then with a wider range of views.
They've all upgraded to PB-Pro now. Are you not a member? There is a patreon. Tragic that they're reduced to that - but at least there's not an onlyfans yet.
If there were it would largely be a load of old bollocks. Literally.
He's really suggesting it will net cost the NHS money?
Between doctors time, administering actual drugs, monitoring, oversight, lawyers….
I’m thinking that “NHS Exit” will need a Richard Rogers designed headquarters, lots of art. A huge number of NU10K on 6 figures knowing nothing…
I’ll run it for £684,463 per year.
Cancel devolution and use the Scottish parliament. Orwellian enough.
Devolution appears to have been at least sidestepped as apparently all the SLab MPs voted on the Assisted Dying England & Wales bill. No doubt the Anglo Brits will shortly be bleating about this assault on their democracy.
To be fair that is pretty poor given this is a devolved matter. And I say that as a long standing supporter of Scottish Independence.
If there's one thing that comes to mind with SLab - it's the very word "disappointed".
Plaid MPs also voted on assisted dying despite the fact the Senedd are supposed to consent before it comes into law in Wales
Yeah, but it’s England and Wales legislation.
Which will only apply in Wales if the Senedd approve it when they vote on it later this year.
- a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -
All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse
Just a glimpse. A glimpse
Not the Stevie Winwood track, which is better in every conceivable way
Different song I think. Amy's was a cover of the Zutons'.
Yes, and the Monkees did a belter called ‘Valleri’, again a different track but better than the Whinehouse one IMHO
And who did the remix of the Winwood version with the soft-porn video set in an aerobics class?
Why that would be Eric Prydz, and I didn’t need to google it.
Call on Me.
Would be frowned on today.
I believe Steve re-recorded "Call on me" specifically for Eric Prydz. The hit of Valerie was a remastering (with an orchestral flavour) version of the rather subdued track on Arc of a Diver.
Steve is only in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a member of Traffic, which demonstrates what a load of old shite the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is, particularly if you check out some of the 3rd rate American inductees.
Steve's eldest daughter is married to a guy who bankrolls the Conservative Party. Can't remember his name mind.
I will be seeing Steve Winwood at Hyde Park on 13th July as he is one of the support acts for the last ever ELO concert.
You are right he should be in the Hall of Fame in his own right and again as a member of Blind Faith. Can't FInd My Way Home is one of the greatest tracks ever written. He was also part of the Electric Ladyland band for Hendrix and was in part responsible for the creation of Voodoo Chile.
He's really suggesting it will net cost the NHS money?
I would say that is an absolute certainty. Not necessarily a reason not to do it but it has just added another item to the list of services the NHS is legally obliged to provide.
Yes, but that's one service.
Net, how many future services would the NHS have been legally obliged to provide otherwise that it now would no longer be obliged to offer after that one service?
A single treatment instead of multiple ongoing treatments can be cheaper, net.
But they will still be obliged to provide all those services given that the vast majority of people will not be opting for suicide. A whole new permanent NHS department dealing with this whilst not being able to reduce/save costs in the other departments. For a start, bear in mind that in order to meet the need for immediate results given the 6 month timescale, this is not something you can have 'waiting lists' for. So it will have to be overstaffed. You can see why Streeting says it will cost significant money.
Not really, considering that people don't just do one kind of treatment. There is no reason why you'd need a department solely staffed by people doing this, rather than this being something people do as and when its required.
And yes services will need to be provided to others after someone dies, but not to the dead person any more. You've not taken that into account in your costings at all. Any 'waiting lists' someone was in they disappear from if they die, or any other costs associated with them too.
If waiting lists do develop imagine the law suits from aggrieved family members when he system takes longer than 6 months.
And yes, you will need considerable numbers of people to do the job. Not so much the actual killing, but the whole safeguarding system before it. If they are true to their word and there will be a thorough, in depth, examination of each case prior to allowing the suicide, then that is not something that can be rattled off in half an hour. All the more so since so many GPs have already said they will not take part in the system.
UKIP (or the rump left who have not gone Reform) now apparently classed by the leftwing protestors as far right
I wonder where they could have got that idea from?
Leader of UKIP, Nick Tenconi, whose rally at one point referred to migrants and the religion of Islam as a "cancer", said: "Good people of Nottingham and UKIP have joined us here today, for a march demanding and sending a clear message to the government that [there should be the] detention, re-migration and deportation of a suspected 8-10 million people in Britain illegally."
UKIP (or the rump left who have not gone Reform) now apparently classed by the leftwing protestors as far right
I wonder where they could have got that idea from?
Leader of UKIP, Nick Tenconi, whose rally at one point referred to migrants and the religion of Islam as a "cancer", said: "Good people of Nottingham and UKIP have joined us here today, for a march demanding and sending a clear message to the government that [there should be the] detention, re-migration and deportation of a suspected 8-10 million people in Britain illegally."
Sounds to me like the definition is pretty much spot on.
UKIP (or the rump left who have not gone Reform) now apparently classed by the leftwing protestors as far right
I wonder where they could have got that idea from?
Leader of UKIP, Nick Tenconi, whose rally at one point referred to migrants and the religion of Islam as a "cancer", said: "Good people of Nottingham and UKIP have joined us here today, for a march demanding and sending a clear message to the government that [there should be the] detention, re-migration and deportation of a suspected 8-10 million people in Britain illegally."
UKIP (or the rump left who have not gone Reform) now apparently classed by the leftwing protestors as far right
I wonder where they could have got that idea from?
Leader of UKIP, Nick Tenconi, whose rally at one point referred to migrants and the religion of Islam as a "cancer", said: "Good people of Nottingham and UKIP have joined us here today, for a march demanding and sending a clear message to the government that [there should be the] detention, re-migration and deportation of a suspected 8-10 million people in Britain illegally."
Sounds to me like the definition is pretty much spot on.
Well you and Bart both used to vote for UKIP so am sure you would know! I never once voted for them
UKIP (or the rump left who have not gone Reform) now apparently classed by the leftwing protestors as far right
I wonder where they could have got that idea from?
Leader of UKIP, Nick Tenconi, whose rally at one point referred to migrants and the religion of Islam as a "cancer", said: "Good people of Nottingham and UKIP have joined us here today, for a march demanding and sending a clear message to the government that [there should be the] detention, re-migration and deportation of a suspected 8-10 million people in Britain illegally."
Sounds to me like the definition is pretty much spot on.
Well you and Bart both used to vote for UKIP so am sure you would know! I never once voted for them
UKIP (or the rump left who have not gone Reform) now apparently classed by the leftwing protestors as far right
I wonder where they could have got that idea from?
Leader of UKIP, Nick Tenconi, whose rally at one point referred to migrants and the religion of Islam as a "cancer", said: "Good people of Nottingham and UKIP have joined us here today, for a march demanding and sending a clear message to the government that [there should be the] detention, re-migration and deportation of a suspected 8-10 million people in Britain illegally."
Sounds to me like the definition is pretty much spot on.
Well you and Bart both used to vote for UKIP so am sure you would know! I never once voted for them
I never voted for them.
Yes you did, you voted for them in the EU Parliament elections
UKIP (or the rump left who have not gone Reform) now apparently classed by the leftwing protestors as far right
I wonder where they could have got that idea from?
Leader of UKIP, Nick Tenconi, whose rally at one point referred to migrants and the religion of Islam as a "cancer", said: "Good people of Nottingham and UKIP have joined us here today, for a march demanding and sending a clear message to the government that [there should be the] detention, re-migration and deportation of a suspected 8-10 million people in Britain illegally."
Sounds to me like the definition is pretty much spot on.
Well you and Bart both used to vote for UKIP so am sure you would know! I never once voted for them
I never voted for them.
Yes you did, you voted for them in the EU Parliament elections
No, I did not.
UKIP came 12th at those elections, behind Change UK. I did not vote for them in that, or any other election.
Meeks left because Brexit possibly endangered the medicine supply for his partner and he found it difficult to cope with PBers who were overjoyed at Brexit. @foxinsoxuk apparently is back under another name. I'm not sure if @SouthamObserver has permanently left: has he?
UKIP (or the rump left who have not gone Reform) now apparently classed by the leftwing protestors as far right
I wonder where they could have got that idea from?
Leader of UKIP, Nick Tenconi, whose rally at one point referred to migrants and the religion of Islam as a "cancer", said: "Good people of Nottingham and UKIP have joined us here today, for a march demanding and sending a clear message to the government that [there should be the] detention, re-migration and deportation of a suspected 8-10 million people in Britain illegally."
Sounds to me like the definition is pretty much spot on.
Well you and Bart both used to vote for UKIP so am sure you would know! I never once voted for them
I never voted for them.
Yes you did, you voted for them in the EU Parliament elections
No, I did not.
UKIP came 12th at those elections, behind Change UK. I did not vote for them in that, or any other election.
UKIP (or the rump left who have not gone Reform) now apparently classed by the leftwing protestors as far right
I wonder where they could have got that idea from?
Leader of UKIP, Nick Tenconi, whose rally at one point referred to migrants and the religion of Islam as a "cancer", said: "Good people of Nottingham and UKIP have joined us here today, for a march demanding and sending a clear message to the government that [there should be the] detention, re-migration and deportation of a suspected 8-10 million people in Britain illegally."
Sounds to me like the definition is pretty much spot on.
Well you and Bart both used to vote for UKIP so am sure you would know! I never once voted for them
I never voted for them.
Yes you did, you voted for them in the EU Parliament elections
No, I did not.
UKIP came 12th at those elections, behind Change UK. I did not vote for them in that, or any other election.
UKIP (or the rump left who have not gone Reform) now apparently classed by the leftwing protestors as far right
I wonder where they could have got that idea from?
Leader of UKIP, Nick Tenconi, whose rally at one point referred to migrants and the religion of Islam as a "cancer", said: "Good people of Nottingham and UKIP have joined us here today, for a march demanding and sending a clear message to the government that [there should be the] detention, re-migration and deportation of a suspected 8-10 million people in Britain illegally."
Sounds to me like the definition is pretty much spot on.
Well you and Bart both used to vote for UKIP so am sure you would know! I never once voted for them
I never voted for them.
Yes you did, you voted for them in the EU Parliament elections
No, I did not.
UKIP came 12th at those elections, behind Change UK. I did not vote for them in that, or any other election.
I voted for there to be no MEPs and for us to leave the EU and for Farage to be kicked out of the European Parliament.
I did not vote for UKIP. That was a falsehood by you.
You voted for Farage who led UKIP and who backs deportations just like Tenconi and who leads a party which has been condemned for Islamophobia by British Muslim groups just like the UKIP party he used to lead
UKIP (or the rump left who have not gone Reform) now apparently classed by the leftwing protestors as far right
I wonder where they could have got that idea from?
Leader of UKIP, Nick Tenconi, whose rally at one point referred to migrants and the religion of Islam as a "cancer", said: "Good people of Nottingham and UKIP have joined us here today, for a march demanding and sending a clear message to the government that [there should be the] detention, re-migration and deportation of a suspected 8-10 million people in Britain illegally."
Sounds to me like the definition is pretty much spot on.
Well you and Bart both used to vote for UKIP so am sure you would know! I never once voted for them
I did indeed. But unlike you, when a party changes I change my vote. I think it is something to do with actually having a brain and using it rather than just acting as a party drone for your entire life.
UKIP (or the rump left who have not gone Reform) now apparently classed by the leftwing protestors as far right
I wonder where they could have got that idea from?
Leader of UKIP, Nick Tenconi, whose rally at one point referred to migrants and the religion of Islam as a "cancer", said: "Good people of Nottingham and UKIP have joined us here today, for a march demanding and sending a clear message to the government that [there should be the] detention, re-migration and deportation of a suspected 8-10 million people in Britain illegally."
Sounds to me like the definition is pretty much spot on.
Well you and Bart both used to vote for UKIP so am sure you would know! I never once voted for them
I did indeed. But unlike you, when a party changes I change my vote. I think it is something to do with actually having a brain and using it rather than just acting as a party drone for your entire life.
There is next to no difference between what most of Reform believe and what most of UKIP believe except the former have better PR
Luke Tryl @LukeTryl 🧵 Held a focus group of women yesterday just over/approaching retirement age and while it wasn’t surprising they were unhappy about the state of Britain, the sense of pessimism was so great that it was almost impossible to get them to talk about anything they felt was going well
The "children identifying as furries" meme pops up. I don't know if it's a real event or a placeholder for the trans issue. Anne Applebaum (yes, I'm reading Autocracy.inc) points out that the lie is often preferred to the truth
All 3 active on BlueSky with a lot to say on British politics (and the format helps them get to the point.) I follow all three.
I'm a lot less engaged than I was; Brexit and the rise of the nationalist right is much to do with it, the aggression that the past decade has brought in British politics isn't for me; I've stepped down as a Councillor and I'm still an active observer but not so much participant now. Feels that no party really talks my language at the moment (although it'll be a cold day in June before I'm tempted by Reform)
JD Vance appears to be one of the people in the administration who are against US involvement:
Israeli officials have told the Trump administration they do not want to wait two weeks for Iran to reach a deal to dismantle key parts of its nuclear program and Israel could act alone before the deadline is up ...
The two sources familiar with the matter said Israel had communicated their concerns to Trump administration officials on Thursday in what they described as a tense phone call ...
During the call, Vice President JD Vance pushed back, saying the United States shouldn't be directly involved and suggesting that the Israelis were going to drag the country into war, said the sources.
We have completed our very successful attack on the three Nuclear sites in Iran, including Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan. All planes are now outside of Iran air space. A full payload of BOMBS was dropped on the primary site, Fordow. All planes are safely on their way home. Congratulations to our great American Warriors. There is not another military in the World that could have done this. NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE!Thank you for your attention to this matter.
All 3 active on BlueSky with a lot to say on British politics (and the format helps them get to the point.) I follow all three.
I'm a lot less engaged than I was; Brexit and the rise of the nationalist right is much to do with it, the aggression that the past decade has brought in British politics isn't for me; I've stepped down as a Councillor and I'm still an active observer but not so much participant now. Feels that no party really talks my language at the moment (although it'll be a cold day in June before I'm tempted by Reform)
It feels like an inexorable descent into chaos. I may even vote Conservative in the next election (my constituency is safish Tory), just to keep Reform at bay and help to preserve civilisation for a little longer.
We have completed our very successful attack on the three Nuclear sites in Iran, including Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan. All planes are now outside of Iran air space. A full payload of BOMBS was dropped on the primary site, Fordow. All planes are safely on their way home. Congratulations to our great American Warriors. There is not another military in the World that could have done this. NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE!Thank you for your attention to this matter.
I'm old enough to remember when those claiming to act for the common good at least tried to get approval from the UN for their actions.
- a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -
All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse
Just a glimpse. A glimpse
Not the Stevie Winwood track, which is better in every conceivable way
Different song I think. Amy's was a cover of the Zutons'.
Yes, and the Monkees did a belter called ‘Valleri’, again a different track but better than the Whinehouse one IMHO
And who did the remix of the Winwood version with the soft-porn video set in an aerobics class?
Why that would be Eric Prydz, and I didn’t need to google it.
Call on Me.
Would be frowned on today.
I believe Steve re-recorded "Call on me" specifically for Eric Prydz. The hit of Valerie was a remastering (with an orchestral flavour) version of the rather subdued track on Arc of a Diver.
Steve is only in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a member of Traffic, which demonstrates what a load of old shite the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is, particularly if you check out some of the 3rd rate American inductees.
Steve's eldest daughter is married to a guy who bankrolls the Conservative Party. Can't remember his name mind.
I will be seeing Steve Winwood at Hyde Park on 13th July as he is one of the support acts for the last ever ELO concert.
You are right he should be in the Hall of Fame in his own right and again as a member of Blind Faith. Can't FInd My Way Home is one of the greatest tracks ever written. He was also part of the Electric Ladyland band for Hendrix and was in part responsible for the creation of Voodoo Chile.
The last ever ELO concert?! They have remained on my bucket list of bands I would have loved to have seen live.
All 3 active on BlueSky with a lot to say on British politics (and the format helps them get to the point.) I follow all three.
I'm a lot less engaged than I was; Brexit and the rise of the nationalist right is much to do with it, the aggression that the past decade has brought in British politics isn't for me; I've stepped down as a Councillor and I'm still an active observer but not so much participant now. Feels that no party really talks my language at the moment (although it'll be a cold day in June before I'm tempted by Reform)
No one in the centre or right reads Bluesky. It’s a self limiting ghetto with diminishing reach. Please stay there
I wouldn't use Bluesky, but @Leon has a totally irrational hatred of it, so I pull it up from time to time.
It’s not just me, I believe there was an article recently in some British magazine cruelly mocking Bluesky, which has become one of the most viral articles on social media, in the English speaking world
I wouldn't use Bluesky, but @Leon has a totally irrational hatred of it, so I pull it up from time to time.
It’s not just me, I believe there was an article recently in some British magazine cruelly mocking Bluesky, which has become one of the most viral articles on social media, in the English speaking world
We have completed our very successful attack on the three Nuclear sites in Iran, including Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan. All planes are now outside of Iran air space. A full payload of BOMBS was dropped on the primary site, Fordow. All planes are safely on their way home. Congratulations to our great American Warriors. There is not another military in the World that could have done this. NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE!Thank you for your attention to this matter.
I'm old enough to remember when those claiming to act for the common good at least tried to get approval from the UN for their actions.
I wouldn't use Bluesky, but @Leon has a totally irrational hatred of it, so I pull it up from time to time.
It’s not just me, I believe there was an article recently in some British magazine cruelly mocking Bluesky, which has become one of the most viral articles on social media, in the English speaking world
I wouldn't use Bluesky, but @Leon has a totally irrational hatred of it, so I pull it up from time to time.
It’s not just me, I believe there was an article recently in some British magazine cruelly mocking Bluesky, which has become one of the most viral articles on social media, in the English speaking world
So, you're saying that a magazine whose readership is mostly right wing, lapped up an article about how a left wing platform is doomed?
Fuck me.
Next thing you'll be telling me that Bibi isn't a big fan of the Guardian.
I wouldn't use Bluesky, but @Leon has a totally irrational hatred of it, so I pull it up from time to time.
It’s not just me, I believe there was an article recently in some British magazine cruelly mocking Bluesky, which has become one of the most viral articles on social media, in the English speaking world
So, you're saying that a magazine whose readership is mostly right wing, lapped up an article about how a left wing platform is doomed?
Fuck me.
Next thing you'll be telling me that Bibi isn't a big fan of the Guardian.
No, I’m saying it went completely viral on Bluesky
I wouldn't use Bluesky, but @Leon has a totally irrational hatred of it, so I pull it up from time to time.
It’s not just me, I believe there was an article recently in some British magazine cruelly mocking Bluesky, which has become one of the most viral articles on social media, in the English speaking world
So, you're saying that a magazine whose readership is mostly right wing, lapped up an article about how a left wing platform is doomed?
Fuck me.
Next thing you'll be telling me that Bibi isn't a big fan of the Guardian.
No, I’m saying it went completely viral on Bluesky
"I believe there was an article recently in some British magazine cruelly mocking Bluesky"
By destroying Iran’s major nuclear sites, Trump overturned decades of establishment orthodoxy that viewed Iran as a threat to manage not to defeat. Instead of appeasement, he chose confrontation by capitalizing on the successes of Israel and Turkey and reasserted U.S. dominance at a time when everyone is hoping for decline.
The Obama-Biden doctrine empowered Iran, punished Israel, and pressured U.S. allies to hold back whenever they tried to defend themselves.
When Saudi Arabia moved against the Houthis in Yemen, it was met with scolding from Washington. When Israel struck Hamas or took steps to disrupt Iran’s nuclear progress, it faced diplomatic pushback and arms delays.
Trump flipped that script. He treated America’s allies like allies. He didn’t second-guess their security decisions or tie their hands. He restored deterrence not by appeasing Tehran, but by backing those willing to contain it.
Under Trump, the United States stopped acting like a neutral referee and started acting like a committed partner, this absolutely changes the game in the region.
Some names from the past e.g Charles, Carlotta, Dodds and of course Plato
Plato is the reason I have a Telegraph subscription – to follow her links. That was before she disappeared down the alt-right rabbit hole. By the end it was clear she was not even reading half the stuff she was posting, or rather copy-pasting. RIP.
Loved Charles. That famous person in the news? His grandfather knew Charles' uncle. Or vice versa.
And John Loony who despite representing the most minor of minor parties had a huge seam of knowledge and insight. Hmm. Maybe that should be ‘because’ rather than ‘despite’.
Mehdi Mohammadi, a senior adviser to Mohammad Ghalibaf, the speaker of Iran’s Parliament, said in a post on social media that Iran had been anticipating attacks on Fordo for several nights. “The site had been evacuated a long time ago and the damages are not irreversible,” he wrote, adding, “you cannot bomb knowledge.”
JD Vance appears to be one of the people in the administration who are against US involvement:
Israeli officials have told the Trump administration they do not want to wait two weeks for Iran to reach a deal to dismantle key parts of its nuclear program and Israel could act alone before the deadline is up ...
The two sources familiar with the matter said Israel had communicated their concerns to Trump administration officials on Thursday in what they described as a tense phone call ...
During the call, Vice President JD Vance pushed back, saying the United States shouldn't be directly involved and suggesting that the Israelis were going to drag the country into war, said the sources.
By destroying Iran’s major nuclear sites, Trump overturned decades of establishment orthodoxy that viewed Iran as a threat to manage not to defeat. Instead of appeasement, he chose confrontation by capitalizing on the successes of Israel and Turkey and reasserted U.S. dominance at a time when everyone is hoping for decline.
The Obama-Biden doctrine empowered Iran, punished Israel, and pressured U.S. allies to hold back whenever they tried to defend themselves.
When Saudi Arabia moved against the Houthis in Yemen, it was met with scolding from Washington. When Israel struck Hamas or took steps to disrupt Iran’s nuclear progress, it faced diplomatic pushback and arms delays.
Trump flipped that script. He treated America’s allies like allies. He didn’t second-guess their security decisions or tie their hands. He restored deterrence not by appeasing Tehran, but by backing those willing to contain it.
Under Trump, the United States stopped acting like a neutral referee and started acting like a committed partner, this absolutely changes the game in the region.
A lot of post hoc rationalisation there. Here are a couple of very short videos (around a minute) of Richard Nixon talking about Israel and the Iranian revolution.
One and three-quarter hours! Spies are useless. Facebook is powerless. But that reminds me to catch up with Adam Curtis' new series Shifty on BBC2/iplayer. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002d2jv
It doesn't look like "now is the time for peace" like he claimed in his Tweet:
Trump warns that more attacks could come. “If peace does not come quickly, we will go after those other targets with precision, speed and skill,” he says.
One and three-quarter hours! Spies are useless. Facebook is powerless. But that reminds me to catch up with Adam Curtis' new series Shifty on BBC2/iplayer. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002d2jv
Unfortunately, "Shifty" does not have a voiceover...
One and three-quarter hours! Spies are useless. Facebook is powerless. But that reminds me to catch up with Adam Curtis' new series Shifty on BBC2/iplayer. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002d2jv
Unfortunately, "Shifty" does not have a voiceover...
Adam Curtis was also on The Rest is Entertainment last week.
ANY RETALIATION BY IRAN AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WILL BE MET WITH FORCE FAR GREATER THAN WHAT WAS WITNESSED TONIGHT. THANK YOU! DONALD J. TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
The Netflix documentary on the Apollo 13 debacle is, perhaps predictably, quite brilliant
Moving and poignant. What a story
I'm unsure the documentary is very good if your conclusion was that Apollo 13 was a 'debacle'. It wasn't. It was a failure in a massively high-risk endeavour that they managed to turn into just a loss of mission, not loss of crew.
The debacle was the Apollo 1 fire a couple of years earlier, which should never, ever have happened.
A relief for Cyprus that UK bases weren’t used by the USA for this attack . The island doesn’t need its tourism fxcked by threats of Iranian retaliation .
- a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -
All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse
Just a glimpse. A glimpse
Not the Stevie Winwood track, which is better in every conceivable way
Different song I think. Amy's was a cover of the Zutons'.
Yes, and the Monkees did a belter called ‘Valleri’, again a different track but better than the Whinehouse one IMHO
And who did the remix of the Winwood version with the soft-porn video set in an aerobics class?
Why that would be Eric Prydz, and I didn’t need to google it.
Call on Me.
Would be frowned on today.
I believe Steve re-recorded "Call on me" specifically for Eric Prydz. The hit of Valerie was a remastering (with an orchestral flavour) version of the rather subdued track on Arc of a Diver.
Steve is only in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a member of Traffic, which demonstrates what a load of old shite the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is, particularly if you check out some of the 3rd rate American inductees.
Steve's eldest daughter is married to a guy who bankrolls the Conservative Party. Can't remember his name mind.
I will be seeing Steve Winwood at Hyde Park on 13th July as he is one of the support acts for the last ever ELO concert.
You are right he should be in the Hall of Fame in his own right and again as a member of Blind Faith. Can't FInd My Way Home is one of the greatest tracks ever written. He was also part of the Electric Ladyland band for Hendrix and was in part responsible for the creation of Voodoo Chile.
Winwood is the musical Zelig, who seems to have been there through the ages. Should be won derful - Arc of a Diver is a fabulous album from (checks - fuck me...) 45 years ago.
When I lived in Brum, there was a group called The E-numbers. Just a live band, their gigs were purely word of mouth. They included several members of ELO in their line-up. Basically a jamming session by a group of friends we were privileged to be able to see have some fun.
Yet about a third of total health spending apparently goes on people in their last six months of life, so there just surely be significant savings if people elect to go early?
Yet about a third of total health spending apparently goes on people in their last six months of life, so there just surely be significant savings if people elect to go early?
This is quite clever by Streeting. Supporters of assisted dying know that they can’t come back on this as it would look incredibly bad.
Yet about a third of total health spending apparently goes on people in their last six months of life, so there just surely be significant savings if people elect to go early?
This is quite clever by Streeting. Supporters of assisted dying know that they can’t come back on this as it would look incredibly bad.
Impact Assessment. Seems it will be reviewed after 5 years. That's when the cost issue may come back.
Doesn't look like the Iranians agree that "now is the time for peace":
41 minutes ago: Missile barrage from Iran: This is a big attack, impacts reported in the north and center, with dozens of interceptors being fired and interceptions seen in the sky over Tel-Aviv
Yet about a third of total health spending apparently goes on people in their last six months of life, so there just surely be significant savings if people elect to go early?
This is quite clever by Streeting. Supporters of assisted dying know that they can’t come back on this as it would look incredibly bad.
Too clever. Don't change a moral choice into a budgeting one. Supporters of assisted dying will probably sensibly ignore. Also Streeting disrespects the vote just made, regardless of what side you took. I don't know why people rated him as a future leader of Labour.
- a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -
All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse
Just a glimpse. A glimpse
Not the Stevie Winwood track, which is better in every conceivable way
Different song I think. Amy's was a cover of the Zutons'.
Yes, and the Monkees did a belter called ‘Valleri’, again a different track but better than the Whinehouse one IMHO
And who did the remix of the Winwood version with the soft-porn video set in an aerobics class?
Why that would be Eric Prydz, and I didn’t need to google it.
Call on Me.
Would be frowned on today.
I believe Steve re-recorded "Call on me" specifically for Eric Prydz. The hit of Valerie was a remastering (with an orchestral flavour) version of the rather subdued track on Arc of a Diver.
Steve is only in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a member of Traffic, which demonstrates what a load of old shite the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is, particularly if you check out some of the 3rd rate American inductees.
Steve's eldest daughter is married to a guy who bankrolls the Conservative Party. Can't remember his name mind.
I will be seeing Steve Winwood at Hyde Park on 13th July as he is one of the support acts for the last ever ELO concert.
You are right he should be in the Hall of Fame in his own right and again as a member of Blind Faith. Can't FInd My Way Home is one of the greatest tracks ever written. He was also part of the Electric Ladyland band for Hendrix and was in part responsible for the creation of Voodoo Chile.
The last ever ELO concert?! They have remained on my bucket list of bands I would have loved to have seen live.
I’ve seen them twice. Absolutely excellent. Been a fan of theirs since the seventies. They have a fantastic back catalogue but never quite seem to get the recognition.
The Netflix documentary on the Apollo 13 debacle is, perhaps predictably, quite brilliant
Moving and poignant. What a story
I'm unsure the documentary is very good if your conclusion was that Apollo 13 was a 'debacle'. It wasn't. It was a failure in a massively high-risk endeavour that they managed to turn into just a loss of mission, not loss of crew.
The debacle was the Apollo 1 fire a couple of years earlier, which should never, ever have happened.
A propos. Is Starship in trouble? Every rocket is blowing up at the moment. I know the development philosophy is different but at this point in the programme Saturn V was sending astronauts to the moon without any mishaps at all.
Some names from the past e.g Charles, Carlotta, Dodds and of course Plato
Plato is the reason I have a Telegraph subscription – to follow her links. That was before she disappeared down the alt-right rabbit hole. By the end it was clear she was not even reading half the stuff she was posting, or rather copy-pasting. RIP.
Loved Charles. That famous person in the news? His grandfather knew Charles' uncle. Or vice versa.
And John Loony who despite representing the most minor of minor parties had a huge seam of knowledge and insight. Hmm. Maybe that should be ‘because’ rather than ‘despite’.
John Loony still posts on vote UK 2012 and is now a Conservative party member.
Doesn't look like the Iranians agree that "now is the time for peace":
41 minutes ago: Missile barrage from Iran: This is a big attack, impacts reported in the north and center, with dozens of interceptors being fired and interceptions seen in the sky over Tel-Aviv
No one outside the region is going to much care or notice at further largely toothless barrages at Israel. The risk is if Iran targets US bases or economic activity in the strait. Quite a big 24-48hrs but if that passes without note, then other things replace this in the news.
Doesn't look like the Iranians agree that "now is the time for peace":
41 minutes ago: Missile barrage from Iran: This is a big attack, impacts reported in the north and center, with dozens of interceptors being fired and interceptions seen in the sky over Tel-Aviv
No one outside the region is going to much care or notice at further largely toothless barrages at Israel. The risk is if Iran targets US bases or economic activity in the strait. Quite a big 24-48hrs but if that passes without note, then other things replace this in the news.
The only thing that has changed is the timeline. Maybe it gets pushed back a decade. But the Iranian regime's desire to destroy the state of Israel burns brighter today than yesterday.
Cruise missiles and B-2 bombers can undertake what is really required - regime change.
Yet about a third of total health spending apparently goes on people in their last six months of life, so there just surely be significant savings if people elect to go early?
This is quite clever by Streeting. Supporters of assisted dying know that they can’t come back on this as it would look incredibly bad.
Too clever. Don't change a moral choice into a budgeting one. Supporters of assisted dying will probably sensibly ignore. Also Streeting disrespects the vote just made, regardless of what side you took. I don't know why people rated him as a future leader of Labour.
The amount of people that would be affected by the Bill is extremely small so his budgeting excuse is tripe .
If the intention of the U.S. strikes was in part to bring an end to the war between Israel and Iran, both sides are still firing at each other in the last hour.
The Netflix documentary on the Apollo 13 debacle is, perhaps predictably, quite brilliant
Moving and poignant. What a story
I'm unsure the documentary is very good if your conclusion was that Apollo 13 was a 'debacle'. It wasn't. It was a failure in a massively high-risk endeavour that they managed to turn into just a loss of mission, not loss of crew.
The debacle was the Apollo 1 fire a couple of years earlier, which should never, ever have happened.
A propos. Is Starship in trouble? Every rocket is blowing up at the moment. I know the development philosophy is different but at this point in the programme Saturn V was sending astronauts to the moon without any mishaps at all.
I've been bearish on SH/SS for quite a while now. I fear they're chasing receding targets and Musk's dreams are too ambitious.
But I might well be wrong. It's hard to see them making an attempt to land (uncrewed) on Mars for the 2026/7 window. They've got a heck of a lot to do before then.
(Five or so years ago, my own projection for the first crewed landing on Mars was the 2029 transfer window. I now think I was way too optimistic, and we're looking at the 2031 or 2033 windows. But more likely the project gets scrapped in its current form - at least for Mars.)
The Netflix documentary on the Apollo 13 debacle is, perhaps predictably, quite brilliant
Moving and poignant. What a story
I'm unsure the documentary is very good if your conclusion was that Apollo 13 was a 'debacle'. It wasn't. It was a failure in a massively high-risk endeavour that they managed to turn into just a loss of mission, not loss of crew.
The debacle was the Apollo 1 fire a couple of years earlier, which should never, ever have happened.
A propos. Is Starship in trouble? Every rocket is blowing up at the moment. I know the development philosophy is different but at this point in the programme Saturn V was sending astronauts to the moon without any mishaps at all.
Apollo had lots of near misses. Which is one of the reasons that NASA wanted the program terminated and the Shuttle instead. The lunar lander was considered especially dangerous - a large number of items that were single point of failure.
As to Starship - they have enough money to continue the program indefinitely. SpaceX (thanks to Starlink) has a bigger turnover than the NASA budget. Each launch costs them about $90 million - of which $55 million is the booster. They will be moving to the semi-finalised design of the booster by the end of the year, so keeping and catching that for most flights. The V2 design of Starship (which is the one exploding) is already being replaced with V3.
Topically (if rather behind the news), today's Rawnsley on this super sunny Sunday:
People in the British government admit that they have little better idea of what is in the US president’s head from this moment to the next than anyone else who follows his posts on Truth Social. A US decision to directly enter the conflict would confront Sir Keir with the most acute foreign policy dilemma of a premiership which that has been far more about geopolitics than he anticipated. “I never thought I’d be in this position,” he has been heard to say to his inner circle.
Any kind of UK backing will give him a share of responsibility for the consequences. Even if Fordow is destroyed, the US cannot be sure that force will eliminate Iran’s nuclear ambitions once and for all. Trying to engineer regime change may fail, or produce a successor we like even less. Iran could attack US and British forces and assets, as well as disrupting gas and oil shipments through the Straits of Hormuz. Any UK collaboration would more closely align this country with an Israeli government whose horrific onslaught in Gaza has caused outrage in much of the world and much of the Labour party.
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I don't care WHO you bomb back to the STONE age tonight but I want MY prize.
Thank you for your attention in this matter.
Steve is only in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a member of Traffic, which demonstrates what a load of old shite the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is, particularly if you check out some of the 3rd rate American inductees.
Steve's eldest daughter is married to a guy who bankrolls the Conservative Party. Can't remember his name mind.
Tissue Price - we know why he left.
Black_Rook
Scrap-heap
148grrs
Literally.
You are right he should be in the Hall of Fame in his own right and again as a member of Blind Faith. Can't FInd My Way Home is one of the greatest tracks ever written. He was also part of the Electric Ladyland band for Hendrix and was in part responsible for the creation of Voodoo Chile.
https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/youre-not-welcome-here-defiant-10283739
And yes, you will need considerable numbers of people to do the job. Not so much the actual killing, but the whole safeguarding system before it. If they are true to their word and there will be a thorough, in depth, examination of each case prior to allowing the suicide, then that is not something that can be rattled off in half an hour. All the more so since so many GPs have already said they will not take part in the system.
The one and only never to be repeated Tim
Leader of UKIP, Nick Tenconi, whose rally at one point referred to migrants and the religion of Islam as a "cancer", said: "Good people of Nottingham and UKIP have joined us here today, for a march demanding and sending a clear message to the government that [there should be the] detention, re-migration and deportation of a suspected 8-10 million people in Britain illegally."
Pretty "right" I would say.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/06/reform-uk-inflaming-hostility-towards-muslims-leading-british-muslims-warn
UKIP came 12th at those elections, behind Change UK. I did not vote for them in that, or any other election.
https://unherd.com/newsroom/can-nigel-farages-deportation-plan-succeed/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/06/reform-uk-inflaming-hostility-towards-muslims-leading-british-muslims-warn
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I did not vote for UKIP. That was a falsehood by you.
I'm a lot less engaged than I was; Brexit and the rise of the nationalist right is much to do with it, the aggression that the past decade has brought in British politics isn't for me; I've stepped down as a Councillor and I'm still an active observer but not so much participant now. Feels that no party really talks my language at the moment (although it'll be a cold day in June before I'm tempted by Reform)
https://x.com/pipsfunfacts
https://bsky.app/profile/quincel.bsky.social
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/bluesky-is-dying/
Israeli officials have told the Trump administration they do not want to wait two weeks for Iran to reach a deal to dismantle key parts of its nuclear program and Israel could act alone before the deadline is up ...
The two sources familiar with the matter said Israel had communicated their concerns to Trump administration officials on Thursday in what they described as a tense phone call ...
During the call, Vice President JD Vance pushed back, saying the United States shouldn't be directly involved and suggesting that the Israelis were going to drag the country into war, said the sources.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-seeks-swift-action-iran-sources-say-with-split-us-administration-2025-06-21/
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Moving and poignant. What a story
We have completed our very successful attack on the three Nuclear sites in Iran, including Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan. All planes are now outside of Iran air space. A full payload of BOMBS was dropped on the primary site, Fordow. All planes are safely on their way home. Congratulations to our great American Warriors. There is not another military in the World that could have done this. NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE!Thank you for your attention to this matter.
https://x.com/k_ovfefe2/status/1936576471192998005
BREAKING: a Federal judge has ordered President Trump to rebuild Iran's nuclear sites
Fuck me.
Next thing you'll be telling me that Bibi isn't a big fan of the Guardian.
What happens now?
https://x.com/zriboua/status/1936580887287574832
By destroying Iran’s major nuclear sites, Trump overturned decades of establishment orthodoxy that viewed Iran as a threat to manage not to defeat. Instead of appeasement, he chose confrontation by capitalizing on the successes of Israel and Turkey and reasserted U.S. dominance at a time when everyone is hoping for decline.
The Obama-Biden doctrine empowered Iran, punished Israel, and pressured U.S. allies to hold back whenever they tried to defend themselves.
When Saudi Arabia moved against the Houthis in Yemen, it was met with scolding from Washington. When Israel struck Hamas or took steps to disrupt Iran’s nuclear progress, it faced diplomatic pushback and arms delays.
Trump flipped that script. He treated America’s allies like allies. He didn’t second-guess their security decisions or tie their hands. He restored deterrence not by appeasing Tehran, but by backing those willing to contain it.
Under Trump, the United States stopped acting like a neutral referee and started acting like a committed partner, this absolutely changes the game in the region.
Loved Charles. That famous person in the news? His grandfather knew Charles' uncle. Or vice versa.
And John Loony who despite representing the most minor of minor parties had a huge seam of knowledge and insight. Hmm. Maybe that should be ‘because’ rather than ‘despite’.
We've become so used to information overload whenever something happens.
This time, it's just a total blackout.
We don't know how much of the facilities were destroyed. No pictures or on-location reports.
Mehdi Mohammadi, a senior adviser to Mohammad Ghalibaf, the speaker of Iran’s Parliament, said in a post on social media that Iran had been anticipating attacks on Fordo for several nights. “The site had been evacuated a long time ago and the damages are not irreversible,” he wrote, adding, “you cannot bomb knowledge.”
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/21/world/iran-israel-trump/320cb6a3-f093-5617-8349-0c6a1653eeb5?smid=url-share
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfD95SvBxoU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8kKsh-Mx5k
American Interests vs. Israeli Interests
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qgYHSbGUN2Y
Is It Difficult To Trust The United States?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jQpQlPgrEos
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002d2jv
Trump warns that more attacks could come. “If peace does not come quickly, we will go after those other targets with precision, speed and skill,” he says.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/21/world/iran-israel-trump/4df14701-456a-59df-83a2-d699bcd6d05b?smid=url-share
Adam Curtis on the BBC, Politics & AI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM9hRuy31JA
ANY RETALIATION BY IRAN AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WILL BE MET WITH FORCE FAR GREATER THAN WHAT WAS WITNESSED TONIGHT. THANK YOU! DONALD J. TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
The debacle was the Apollo 1 fire a couple of years earlier, which should never, ever have happened.
When I lived in Brum, there was a group called The E-numbers. Just a live band, their gigs were purely word of mouth. They included several members of ELO in their line-up. Basically a jamming session by a group of friends we were privileged to be able to see have some fun.
Or very, very hot.
Who needs the Med when you can sit in the garden at 6.00 am in just a T-shirt?
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/68247bfdb9226dd8e81ab849/terminally-ill-adults-end-of-life-bill-impact-assessment-updated.pdf
41 minutes ago: Missile barrage from Iran: This is a big attack, impacts reported in the north and center, with dozens of interceptors being fired and interceptions seen in the sky over Tel-Aviv
https://iran.liveuamap.com/
Jeff Lynne is a true musical genius.
Those Tabanus horseflies are buggers...
Cruise missiles and B-2 bombers can undertake what is really required - regime change.
If the intention of the U.S. strikes was in part to bring an end to the war between Israel and Iran, both sides are still firing at each other in the last hour.
But I might well be wrong. It's hard to see them making an attempt to land (uncrewed) on Mars for the 2026/7 window. They've got a heck of a lot to do before then.
(Five or so years ago, my own projection for the first crewed landing on Mars was the 2029 transfer window. I now think I was way too optimistic, and we're looking at the 2031 or 2033 windows. But more likely the project gets scrapped in its current form - at least for Mars.)
As to Starship - they have enough money to continue the program indefinitely. SpaceX (thanks to Starlink) has a bigger turnover than the NASA budget. Each launch costs them about $90 million - of which $55 million is the booster. They will be moving to the semi-finalised design of the booster by the end of the year, so keeping and catching that for most flights. The V2 design of Starship (which is the one exploding) is already being replaced with V3.
https://x.com/AmoneyResists/status/1936578019138867600
https://x.com/JamesTate121/status/1936533169005629823
https://x.com/jaubreyYT/status/1936595585282478565
People in the British government admit that they have little better idea of what is in the US president’s head from this moment to the next than anyone else who follows his posts on Truth Social. A US decision to directly enter the conflict would confront Sir Keir with the most acute foreign policy dilemma of a premiership which that has been far more about geopolitics than he anticipated. “I never thought I’d be in this position,” he has been heard to say to his inner circle.
Any kind of UK backing will give him a share of responsibility for the consequences. Even if Fordow is destroyed, the US cannot be sure that force will eliminate Iran’s nuclear ambitions once and for all. Trying to engineer regime change may fail, or produce a successor we like even less. Iran could attack US and British forces and assets, as well as disrupting gas and oil shipments through the Straits of Hormuz. Any UK collaboration would more closely align this country with an Israeli government whose horrific onslaught in Gaza has caused outrage in much of the world and much of the Labour party.