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  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,076
    Just now on the Thames at Richmond -

    Sweet Thames, run softly, til I end my song -

    - a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -

    All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse

    Just a glimpse. A glimpse
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,612

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    I’m getting on board the Mildmay Line

    Who the F came up with these awful Woke Overground names?

    Windrush
    Suffragette
    Weaver…

    Vomit

    Day 1 of Big Nige’s government we change all these names to properly patriotic icons

    I suggest

    Agincourt
    Bomber Harris
    Falklands
    Ripper (serving east london)
    Potato Famine

    Controlled by TFL, I'm afraid.

    Not by hypothetical Tony Hancock fantasists in Downing Street. :wink:
    Maggie had the right approach.
    It was a very nice gesture to name a London railway line after a delightful Cotswold stream. Thank fuck it doesn't actually go there.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,204
    I should point out I didn't go to the Hoppings on purpose.
    I went for a walk and it was there. Spent nowt.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,117
    edited June 21
    Leon said:

    Just now on the Thames at Richmond -

    Sweet Thames, run softly, til I end my song -

    - a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -

    All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse

    Just a glimpse. A glimpse

    Not the Stevie Winwood track, which is better in every conceivable way
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,117
    dixiedean said:

    I should point out I didn't go to the Hoppings on purpose.
    I went for a walk and it was there. Spent nowt.

    I’ve been to the Hoppings
    By mistake

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,395
    Leon said:

    Just now on the Thames at Richmond -

    Sweet Thames, run softly, til I end my song -

    - a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -

    All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse

    Just a glimpse. A glimpse

    Britain is finished latest.

  • TazTaz Posts: 19,117
    Videos on the Twitter of a ballooning disaster in Brazil. RIP the victims. Especially the ones who made the decision to jump.

    You’ll never get me in one
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,134
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Just now on the Thames at Richmond -

    Sweet Thames, run softly, til I end my song -

    - a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -

    All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse

    Just a glimpse. A glimpse

    Not the Stevie Winwood track, which is better in every conceivable way
    Different song I think. Amy's was a cover of the Zutons'.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,117

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Just now on the Thames at Richmond -

    Sweet Thames, run softly, til I end my song -

    - a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -

    All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse

    Just a glimpse. A glimpse

    Not the Stevie Winwood track, which is better in every conceivable way
    Different song I think. Amy's was a cover of the Zutons'.
    Yes, and the Monkees did a belter called ‘Valleri’, again a different track but better than the Whinehouse one IMHO
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,658

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    I’m getting on board the Mildmay Line

    Who the F came up with these awful Woke Overground names?

    Windrush
    Suffragette
    Weaver…

    Vomit

    Day 1 of Big Nige’s government we change all these names to properly patriotic icons

    I suggest

    Agincourt
    Bomber Harris
    Falklands
    Ripper (serving east london)
    Potato Famine

    Controlled by TFL, I'm afraid.

    Not by hypothetical Tony Hancock fantasists in Downing Street. :wink:
    Maggie had the right approach.
    It was a very nice gesture to name a London railway line after a delightful Cotswold stream. Thank fuck it doesn't actually go there.
    Leon missed out the Liberty Line (Romford to Upminster).
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,227

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    I’m getting on board the Mildmay Line

    Who the F came up with these awful Woke Overground names?

    Windrush
    Suffragette
    Weaver…

    Vomit

    Day 1 of Big Nige’s government we change all these names to properly patriotic icons

    I suggest

    Agincourt
    Bomber Harris
    Falklands
    Ripper (serving east london)
    Potato Famine

    Controlled by TFL, I'm afraid.

    Not by hypothetical Tony Hancock fantasists in Downing Street. :wink:
    Maggie had the right approach.
    What lines did Mrs Thatcher rename? She was Leader of the Opposition when the Conservative-run GLC changed the Fleet to Jubilee Line to mark HMQ's Silver Jubilee in 1977.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,134
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Just now on the Thames at Richmond -

    Sweet Thames, run softly, til I end my song -

    - a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -

    All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse

    Just a glimpse. A glimpse

    Not the Stevie Winwood track, which is better in every conceivable way
    Different song I think. Amy's was a cover of the Zutons'.
    Yes, and the Monkees did a belter called ‘Valleri’, again a different track but better than the Whinehouse one IMHO
    And who did the remix of the Winwood version with the soft-porn video set in an aerobics class?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,775
    Leon said:

    Just now on the Thames at Richmond -

    Sweet Thames, run softly, til I end my song -

    - a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -

    All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse

    Just a glimpse. A glimpse

    If only the whole country was like Richmond.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,658

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Just now on the Thames at Richmond -

    Sweet Thames, run softly, til I end my song -

    - a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -

    All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse

    Just a glimpse. A glimpse

    Not the Stevie Winwood track, which is better in every conceivable way
    Different song I think. Amy's was a cover of the Zutons'.
    Yes, and the Monkees did a belter called ‘Valleri’, again a different track but better than the Whinehouse one IMHO
    And who did the remix of the Winwood version with the soft-porn video set in an aerobics class?
    Eric Prydz. Actually a re-recording with new lyrics, as in "Call On Me".
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,775
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Just now on the Thames at Richmond -

    Sweet Thames, run softly, til I end my song -

    - a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -

    All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse

    Just a glimpse. A glimpse

    Not the Stevie Winwood track, which is better in every conceivable way
    Reminds me of When You See A Chance Take It. Fantastic song.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,117

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Just now on the Thames at Richmond -

    Sweet Thames, run softly, til I end my song -

    - a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -

    All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse

    Just a glimpse. A glimpse

    Not the Stevie Winwood track, which is better in every conceivable way
    Different song I think. Amy's was a cover of the Zutons'.
    Yes, and the Monkees did a belter called ‘Valleri’, again a different track but better than the Whinehouse one IMHO
    And who did the remix of the Winwood version with the soft-porn video set in an aerobics class?
    Why that would be Eric Prydz, and I didn’t need to google it.

    Call on Me.

    Would be frowned on today.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,117
    Andy_JS said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Just now on the Thames at Richmond -

    Sweet Thames, run softly, til I end my song -

    - a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -

    All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse

    Just a glimpse. A glimpse

    Not the Stevie Winwood track, which is better in every conceivable way
    Reminds me of When You See A Chance Take It. Fantastic song.
    Terrific singer and I really liked The Spencer Davis Group.

    His brother was named Muff. Great first name.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,117

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    I’m getting on board the Mildmay Line

    Who the F came up with these awful Woke Overground names?

    Windrush
    Suffragette
    Weaver…

    Vomit

    Day 1 of Big Nige’s government we change all these names to properly patriotic icons

    I suggest

    Agincourt
    Bomber Harris
    Falklands
    Ripper (serving east london)
    Potato Famine

    Controlled by TFL, I'm afraid.

    Not by hypothetical Tony Hancock fantasists in Downing Street. :wink:
    Maggie had the right approach.
    It was a very nice gesture to name a London railway line after a delightful Cotswold stream. Thank fuck it doesn't actually go there.
    Leon missed out the Liberty Line (Romford to Upminster).
    As in ‘ere, that geezers takin a right liberty’

    A tribute to Essex hard men ?
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,655
    Taz said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    dixiedean said:

    Monster storm over the Toon just now.
    Got back from the Hoppings just in time.

    Just managed to miss the storms going southbound out of Cumbria earlier, but I had to drive like a complete Lune.
    Thunder and lightning here in C-L-S and has been for the,last 30 minutes. I’m sweating like Jimmy Savile in a morgue here. Hope it clears.
    Puns aside, I've actually been round and about in Huddersfield and the valleys today, and again we've got perhaps half a dozen showers, all of which have merely dotted the ground rather than entirely wetting it. The pattern is that the rain is splitting over the Peaks, and I think the Yorkshire drought isn't abating at all.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,032
    Leon said:

    Just now on the Thames at Richmond -

    Sweet Thames, run softly, til I end my song -

    - a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -

    All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse

    Just a glimpse. A glimpse

    Thank goodness there were no ghastly provincial families come to London for a birthday weekend looking on aghast.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,435
    Fishing said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    I’m getting on board the Mildmay Line

    Who the F came up with these awful Woke Overground names?

    Windrush
    Suffragette
    Weaver…

    Vomit

    Day 1 of Big Nige’s government we change all these names to properly patriotic icons

    I suggest

    Agincourt
    Bomber Harris
    Falklands
    Ripper (serving east london)
    Potato Famine

    Controlled by TFL, I'm afraid.

    Not by hypothetical Tony Hancock fantasists in Downing Street. :wink:
    Maggie had the right approach.
    Could be said about virtually anything tbf, especially compared with the current dismal shower.
    Local government ?
    Public utility privatisation ?
    Funding current spending from asset sales ?

    Sure.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,263
    I currently live in Hammersmith. London is full of such happy moments, not the hell Reform wants you to think it is.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,134
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Just now on the Thames at Richmond -

    Sweet Thames, run softly, til I end my song -

    - a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -

    All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse

    Just a glimpse. A glimpse

    Not the Stevie Winwood track, which is better in every conceivable way
    Different song I think. Amy's was a cover of the Zutons'.
    Yes, and the Monkees did a belter called ‘Valleri’, again a different track but better than the Whinehouse one IMHO
    And who did the remix of the Winwood version with the soft-porn video set in an aerobics class?
    Why that would be Eric Prydz, and I didn’t need to google it.

    Call on Me.

    Would be frowned on today.
    It caused a bit of a flap at the time.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,360
    "British tourist catches Legionnaires' disease in Greece"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpvjnyw47kro

    One hopes Leon's Billionaire yacht has had its aircon serviced recently.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,076
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just now on the Thames at Richmond -

    Sweet Thames, run softly, til I end my song -

    - a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -

    All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse

    Just a glimpse. A glimpse

    If only the whole country was like Richmond.
    Quite

    Relatedly

    “Keir Starmer accidentally admits his first year has been a failure. My weekend article for @Independent Free to read”

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1936436854372630773?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,435
    Just a simple soldier ?

    Ex-army chief Lord Dannatt lobbied ministers for millions to support commercial deal
    Revelation marks second time crossbench peer may have broken Lords rules against lobbying
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jun/21/peer-richard-dannatt-lobbied-government-to-fund-factory-bid-he-was-helping-documents-reveal
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,117

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Just now on the Thames at Richmond -

    Sweet Thames, run softly, til I end my song -

    - a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -

    All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse

    Just a glimpse. A glimpse

    Not the Stevie Winwood track, which is better in every conceivable way
    Different song I think. Amy's was a cover of the Zutons'.
    Yes, and the Monkees did a belter called ‘Valleri’, again a different track but better than the Whinehouse one IMHO
    And who did the remix of the Winwood version with the soft-porn video set in an aerobics class?
    Why that would be Eric Prydz, and I didn’t need to google it.

    Call on Me.

    Would be frowned on today.
    It caused a bit of a flap at the time.
    Indeed it did. Helped a few men, and probably some women, through puberty.

    Just as Belouis Some’s video to Imagination did.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,395

    I currently live in Hammersmith. London is full of such happy moments, not the hell Reform wants you to think it is.

    The view that London is hell seems to be mainly pedalled by people who live in Dubai.

  • TazTaz Posts: 19,117

    I currently live in Hammersmith. London is full of such happy moments, not the hell Reform wants you to think it is.

    I’m in Durham. Reform haven’t mentioned MC Hammersmith so far.

    I’ll keep an eye out to see what evil lies they spread
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,117

    I currently live in Hammersmith. London is full of such happy moments, not the hell Reform wants you to think it is.

    The view that London is hell seems to be mainly pedalled by people who live in Dubai.

    Does the Reform hierarchy live in Dubai ?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,775
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Just now on the Thames at Richmond -

    Sweet Thames, run softly, til I end my song -

    - a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -

    All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse

    Just a glimpse. A glimpse

    Not the Stevie Winwood track, which is better in every conceivable way
    Different song I think. Amy's was a cover of the Zutons'.
    Yes, and the Monkees did a belter called ‘Valleri’, again a different track but better than the Whinehouse one IMHO
    And who did the remix of the Winwood version with the soft-porn video set in an aerobics class?
    Why that would be Eric Prydz, and I didn’t need to google it.

    Call on Me.

    Would be frowned on today.
    It caused a bit of a flap at the time.
    Indeed it did. Helped a few men, and probably some women, through puberty.

    Just as Belouis Some’s video to Imagination did.
    What about Girls On Film by Duran Duran.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,117
    Andy_JS said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Just now on the Thames at Richmond -

    Sweet Thames, run softly, til I end my song -

    - a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -

    All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse

    Just a glimpse. A glimpse

    Not the Stevie Winwood track, which is better in every conceivable way
    Different song I think. Amy's was a cover of the Zutons'.
    Yes, and the Monkees did a belter called ‘Valleri’, again a different track but better than the Whinehouse one IMHO
    And who did the remix of the Winwood version with the soft-porn video set in an aerobics class?
    Why that would be Eric Prydz, and I didn’t need to google it.

    Call on Me.

    Would be frowned on today.
    It caused a bit of a flap at the time.
    Indeed it did. Helped a few men, and probably some women, through puberty.

    Just as Belouis Some’s video to Imagination did.
    What about Girls On Film by Duran Duran.
    Oh good call, Sir.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,066
    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    I’m getting on board the Mildmay Line

    Who the F came up with these awful Woke Overground names?

    Windrush
    Suffragette
    Weaver…

    Vomit

    Day 1 of Big Nige’s government we change all these names to properly patriotic icons

    I suggest

    Agincourt
    Bomber Harris
    Falklands
    Ripper (serving east london)
    Potato Famine

    Controlled by TFL, I'm afraid.

    Not by hypothetical Tony Hancock fantasists in Downing Street. :wink:
    Maggie had the right approach.
    It was a very nice gesture to name a London railway line after a delightful Cotswold stream. Thank fuck it doesn't actually go there.
    Leon missed out the Liberty Line (Romford to Upminster).
    As in ‘ere, that geezers takin a right liberty’

    A tribute to Essex hard men ?
    The Coke Line, serving the City?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,775
    I was wondering how PB compares to 10 years ago. Here's a thread from 21st June 2015. Comments are still available to read.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/06/21/betting-on-the-next-labour-leader-leading-the-party-into-the-next-general-election/
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,032
    Great that the PM has his laser like focus on the really important stuff in these worrying times.

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1936511305361310025?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,684
    Some reports of gunfire/some sort of ground attack at Fordow
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,435
    Andy_JS said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Just now on the Thames at Richmond -

    Sweet Thames, run softly, til I end my song -

    - a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -

    All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse

    Just a glimpse. A glimpse

    Not the Stevie Winwood track, which is better in every conceivable way
    Different song I think. Amy's was a cover of the Zutons'.
    Yes, and the Monkees did a belter called ‘Valleri’, again a different track but better than the Whinehouse one IMHO
    And who did the remix of the Winwood version with the soft-porn video set in an aerobics class?
    Why that would be Eric Prydz, and I didn’t need to google it.

    Call on Me.

    Would be frowned on today.
    It caused a bit of a flap at the time.
    Indeed it did. Helped a few men, and probably some women, through puberty.

    Just as Belouis Some’s video to Imagination did.
    What about Girls On Film by Duran Duran.
    Classic Nikon ?
    Absolutely.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,658
    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    I’m getting on board the Mildmay Line

    Who the F came up with these awful Woke Overground names?

    Windrush
    Suffragette
    Weaver…

    Vomit

    Day 1 of Big Nige’s government we change all these names to properly patriotic icons

    I suggest

    Agincourt
    Bomber Harris
    Falklands
    Ripper (serving east london)
    Potato Famine

    Controlled by TFL, I'm afraid.

    Not by hypothetical Tony Hancock fantasists in Downing Street. :wink:
    Maggie had the right approach.
    It was a very nice gesture to name a London railway line after a delightful Cotswold stream. Thank fuck it doesn't actually go there.
    Leon missed out the Liberty Line (Romford to Upminster).
    As in ‘ere, that geezers takin a right liberty’

    A tribute to Essex hard men ?
    The Liberty of Havering, apparently.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Liberty_of_Havering
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,930
    Andy_JS said:

    What about Girls On Film by Duran Duran.

    Not their best, or most controversial, video
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,395
    Andy_JS said:

    I was wondering how PB compares to 10 years ago. Here's a thread from 21st June 2015. Comments are still available to read.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/06/21/betting-on-the-next-labour-leader-leading-the-party-into-the-next-general-election/

    Some names from the past e.g Charles, Carlotta, Dodds and of course Plato
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,395
    I can think of nothing more perilous to American democracy right now than going to war. Think of how Trump can use a state of war to strengthen his dictatorial control at home. Trump declared a state of national emergency in response to a nonexistent “invasion” by Venezuelan gangs. Imagine what he will do when the United States is actually at war with a real country, one that many Americans fear.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2025/06/democracy-iran-israel-war-trump/683269/?gift=TJYxndJnWcOCiFxlXZlyANrBiA0QaKmfZZQuY_kvFUQ
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,684

    Some reports of gunfire/some sort of ground attack at Fordow

    Now being stated to be false. Sorry, was from pretty reliable OSINT channels. Fog of war
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,379
    X
    LBC@LBC
    Costs of damage after Palestine Action attacks at RAF Brize Norton will total 'at least £30million'
    https://x.com/LBC/status/1936507706086396280
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,395
    Kagan:

    "Today, the United States itself is at risk of being turned into a military dictatorship. Its liberal-democratic institutions have all but crumbled. The Founders’ experiment may be coming to an end. War with Iran is likely to hasten its demise. Not that it matters, but count me out."

    Atlantic
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,117
    Scott_xP said:

    Andy_JS said:

    What about Girls On Film by Duran Duran.

    Not their best, or most controversial, video
    Wild Boys was a crap,video and a crap song.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,585
    Andy_JS said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Just now on the Thames at Richmond -

    Sweet Thames, run softly, til I end my song -

    - a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -

    All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse

    Just a glimpse. A glimpse

    Not the Stevie Winwood track, which is better in every conceivable way
    Different song I think. Amy's was a cover of the Zutons'.
    Yes, and the Monkees did a belter called ‘Valleri’, again a different track but better than the Whinehouse one IMHO
    And who did the remix of the Winwood version with the soft-porn video set in an aerobics class?
    Why that would be Eric Prydz, and I didn’t need to google it.

    Call on Me.

    Would be frowned on today.
    It caused a bit of a flap at the time.
    Indeed it did. Helped a few men, and probably some women, through puberty.

    Just as Belouis Some’s video to Imagination did.
    What about Girls On Film by Duran Duran.
    Or Bicycle Race by Queen?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,914

    Andy_JS said:

    I was wondering how PB compares to 10 years ago. Here's a thread from 21st June 2015. Comments are still available to read.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/06/21/betting-on-the-next-labour-leader-leading-the-party-into-the-next-general-election/

    Some names from the past e.g Charles, Carlotta, Dodds and of course Plato
    @AlistairMeeks. @foxinsoxuk . Also some that don't post so often any more, such as @SouthamObserver .
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,914

    Great that the PM has his laser like focus on the really important stuff in these worrying times.

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1936511305361310025?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    #pbfreespeech
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,609
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just now on the Thames at Richmond -

    Sweet Thames, run softly, til I end my song -

    - a group of maybe 100 young happy people - all races creeds and cultures -

    All singing “Valerie” in chorus - a la Amy Winehouse

    Just a glimpse. A glimpse

    If only the whole country was like Richmond.
    A country made up of Richmond upon Thames, Richmond North Yorkshire, and Richard’s castle in Herefordshire / Shropshire plus a few places that are just rich, without the -mond or -ards, would be very pleasant indeed, but possibly a bit self satisfied and lacking in edge to be complete.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,930
    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Andy_JS said:

    What about Girls On Film by Duran Duran.

    Not their best, or most controversial, video
    Wild Boys was a crap,video and a crap song.
    This is correct
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,585
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I was wondering how PB compares to 10 years ago. Here's a thread from 21st June 2015. Comments are still available to read.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/06/21/betting-on-the-next-labour-leader-leading-the-party-into-the-next-general-election/

    Some names from the past e.g Charles, Carlotta, Dodds and of course Plato
    @AlistairMeeks. @foxinsoxuk . Also some that don't post so often any more, such as @SouthamObserver .
    One of this is still a regular under a different name surely?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,395

    Emily Schrader - אמילי שריידר امیلی شریدر
    @emilykschrader

    Initial: Iranian sources are reporting some kind of ground attack on the guards at Fordow.

    https://x.com/emilykschrader/status/1936530749903286393
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,730
    edited June 21


    Emily Schrader - אמילי שריידר امیلی شریدر
    @emilykschrader

    Initial: Iranian sources are reporting some kind of ground attack on the guards at Fordow.

    https://x.com/emilykschrader/status/1936530749903286393

    Surely IDF / Mossad are going in on the ground. That would take absolutely massive balls and will take huge losses.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,684


    Emily Schrader - אמילי שריידר امیلی شریدر
    @emilykschrader

    Initial: Iranian sources are reporting some kind of ground attack on the guards at Fordow.

    https://x.com/emilykschrader/status/1936530749903286393

    Id mentionrd this above, it seems to be being played down now........lot of confusion about!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,730
    fitalass said:

    X
    LBC@LBC
    Costs of damage after Palestine Action attacks at RAF Brize Norton will total 'at least £30million'
    https://x.com/LBC/status/1936507706086396280

    Phoebe and her mates parents might have to sell their second homes.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,568


    Emily Schrader - אמילי שריידר امیلی شریدر
    @emilykschrader

    Initial: Iranian sources are reporting some kind of ground attack on the guards at Fordow.

    https://x.com/emilykschrader/status/1936530749903286393

    Surely IDF / Mossad are going in on the ground. That would take absolutely massive balls and will take huge losses.
    The Mossad are absolutely ruthless
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,609

    I currently live in Hammersmith. London is full of such happy moments, not the hell Reform wants you to think it is.

    The view that London is hell seems to be mainly pedalled by people who live in Dubai.

    I’d love to say the Hillly Fields summer fayre is a case in point, and it is, but it was just a bit too hot and stuffy today under baking grey clouds. But in many ways it was exactly what people describe: thousands out celebrating nothing more than the annual festival in the park, every possible local interest group or business out showing their wares, children let off the leash to play with friends with just a time agreed to come home, the smell of barbecues wafting across.

    People who say Londoners (or Parisians or New Yorkers or Madrilenos) are unfriendly and aloof are just judging from behaviour on public transport where people generally keep their own counsel. People are people, wherever you find them. As friendly or unfriendly as they’d be if they lived anywhere else.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,388

    Tonight's Jenrick-o'rama episode is in:


    Robert Jenrick
    @RobertJenrick

    Philip Charlesworth took his own life the night before the budget.

    He felt he had no choice due to the impending family farm tax.

    His son Jonathan invited me to hear their powerful story.

    You can see it on @GBNEWS shortly.

    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1936471630273716345

    They would be able to afford to pass their fields on to the next generation if they weren’t also a tax dodge.


    Is spouting bollocks your special power?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,799


    Emily Schrader - אמילי שריידר امیلی شریدر
    @emilykschrader

    Initial: Iranian sources are reporting some kind of ground attack on the guards at Fordow.

    https://x.com/emilykschrader/status/1936530749903286393

    Surely IDF / Mossad are going in on the ground. That would take absolutely massive balls and will take huge losses.
    There were Iranian sources this week suggesting that they had been infiltrated by Afghan mercenaries working for the Israelis.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,724

    fitalass said:

    X
    LBC@LBC
    Costs of damage after Palestine Action attacks at RAF Brize Norton will total 'at least £30million'
    https://x.com/LBC/status/1936507706086396280

    Phoebe and her mates parents might have to sell their second homes.
    Think how much effort went into Spiderweb. This lot just rocked up to Brize Norton with a few cans of paint and did much the same.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,050


    Emily Schrader - אמילי שריידר امیلی شریدر
    @emilykschrader

    Initial: Iranian sources are reporting some kind of ground attack on the guards at Fordow.

    https://x.com/emilykschrader/status/1936530749903286393

    Surely IDF / Mossad are going in on the ground. That would take absolutely massive balls and will take huge losses.
    The Mossad are absolutely ruthless
    They are going to come out holding glowing sticks of Uranium like Homer Simpson.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,658
    TimS said:

    I currently live in Hammersmith. London is full of such happy moments, not the hell Reform wants you to think it is.

    The view that London is hell seems to be mainly pedalled by people who live in Dubai.

    I’d love to say the Hillly Fields summer fayre is a case in point, and it is, but it was just a bit too hot and stuffy today under baking grey clouds. But in many ways it was exactly what people describe: thousands out celebrating nothing more than the annual festival in the park, every possible local interest group or business out showing their wares, children let off the leash to play with friends with just a time agreed to come home, the smell of barbecues wafting across.

    People who say Londoners (or Parisians or New Yorkers or Madrilenos) are unfriendly and aloof are just judging from behaviour on public transport where people generally keep their own counsel. People are people, wherever you find them. As friendly or unfriendly as they’d be if they lived anywhere else.
    People are People so why should it be
    You and I should get along so awfully

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTYsElEGswc&t=1s
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,775

    Andy_JS said:

    I was wondering how PB compares to 10 years ago. Here's a thread from 21st June 2015. Comments are still available to read.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/06/21/betting-on-the-next-labour-leader-leading-the-party-into-the-next-general-election/

    Some names from the past e.g Charles, Carlotta, Dodds and of course Plato
    I think we had slightly more variety of posters back then with a wider range of views.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,388

    fitalass said:

    X
    LBC@LBC
    Costs of damage after Palestine Action attacks at RAF Brize Norton will total 'at least £30million'
    https://x.com/LBC/status/1936507706086396280

    Phoebe and her mates parents might have to sell their second homes.
    My neighbour, retired squadron leader, was saying last night that since they would be unsure what solvents had been used they would have to strip down and check every component to see what damage, if any, had been done. In all likelyhood the actual damage would be slight but they wouldn't take the risk of flying the planes until they were absolutely certain everything was okay.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,799
    Coffee diplomacy

    https://x.com/stora_norrland/status/1936469170779984213

    A Swedish submarine ran out of coffee, the British came to the rescue. A friend in need is a friend indeed🇬🇧🤝🇸🇪☕
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,775
    "Wes Streeting: NHS can’t afford assisted dying and MPs got it wrong

    The health secretary says letting terminally ill people end their lives could divert resources from elsewhere in the service" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/0fd01bf3-3aef-4a7b-b97f-6e2f6bace848?shareToken=313fd758093d0be5502bb88e16f109ae
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,799

    Kagan:

    "Today, the United States itself is at risk of being turned into a military dictatorship. Its liberal-democratic institutions have all but crumbled. The Founders’ experiment may be coming to an end. War with Iran is likely to hasten its demise. Not that it matters, but count me out."

    Atlantic

    Completely nuts from one of the biggest cheerleaders of the global war on terror.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,360
    Andy_JS said:

    "Wes Streeting: NHS can’t afford assisted dying and MPs got it wrong

    The health secretary says letting terminally ill people end their lives could divert resources from elsewhere in the service" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/0fd01bf3-3aef-4a7b-b97f-6e2f6bace848?shareToken=313fd758093d0be5502bb88e16f109ae

    He's really suggesting it will net cost the NHS money?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,861
    Andy_JS said:

    "Wes Streeting: NHS can’t afford assisted dying and MPs got it wrong

    The health secretary says letting terminally ill people end their lives could divert resources from elsewhere in the service" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/0fd01bf3-3aef-4a7b-b97f-6e2f6bace848?shareToken=313fd758093d0be5502bb88e16f109ae

    Fire Streeting then.

    What an innumerate and undemocratic idiot.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,861
    Eabhal said:


    Emily Schrader - אמילי שריידר امیلی شریدر
    @emilykschrader

    Initial: Iranian sources are reporting some kind of ground attack on the guards at Fordow.

    https://x.com/emilykschrader/status/1936530749903286393

    Surely IDF / Mossad are going in on the ground. That would take absolutely massive balls and will take huge losses.
    The Mossad are absolutely ruthless
    They are going to come out holding glowing sticks of Uranium like Homer Simpson.
    Then fade backwards into the bushes and disappear?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,395
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I was wondering how PB compares to 10 years ago. Here's a thread from 21st June 2015. Comments are still available to read.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/06/21/betting-on-the-next-labour-leader-leading-the-party-into-the-next-general-election/

    Some names from the past e.g Charles, Carlotta, Dodds and of course Plato
    I think we had slightly more variety of posters back then with a wider range of views.
    I remember Charles leaving but can't recall what the reason was.

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,724
    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Wes Streeting: NHS can’t afford assisted dying and MPs got it wrong

    The health secretary says letting terminally ill people end their lives could divert resources from elsewhere in the service" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/0fd01bf3-3aef-4a7b-b97f-6e2f6bace848?shareToken=313fd758093d0be5502bb88e16f109ae

    He's really suggesting it will net cost the NHS money?
    Depends where the money for the inevitable public inquiry comes from.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,050
    edited June 21
    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Wes Streeting: NHS can’t afford assisted dying and MPs got it wrong

    The health secretary says letting terminally ill people end their lives could divert resources from elsewhere in the service" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/0fd01bf3-3aef-4a7b-b97f-6e2f6bace848?shareToken=313fd758093d0be5502bb88e16f109ae

    He's really suggesting it will net cost the NHS money?
    Palliative care is expensive and currently under-funded. The bill could force the government to actually provide excellent end-of-life care, particularly if it's doing the ending and is vulnerable to litigation as a result.

    I can see why it will be more expensive than just letting someone lie in a bed in misery. One big positive side-effect of the whole debate is there is now a bigger focus on those last few hours/days/months, whether assisted dying happens or not. We're not very good at talking about death.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,406

    Eabhal said:


    Emily Schrader - אמילי שריידר امیلی شریدر
    @emilykschrader

    Initial: Iranian sources are reporting some kind of ground attack on the guards at Fordow.

    https://x.com/emilykschrader/status/1936530749903286393

    Surely IDF / Mossad are going in on the ground. That would take absolutely massive balls and will take huge losses.
    The Mossad are absolutely ruthless
    They are going to come out holding glowing sticks of Uranium like Homer Simpson.
    Then fade backwards into the bushes and disappear?
    https://jkbrickworks.com/homer-in-the-bushes/
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,360

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I was wondering how PB compares to 10 years ago. Here's a thread from 21st June 2015. Comments are still available to read.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/06/21/betting-on-the-next-labour-leader-leading-the-party-into-the-next-general-election/

    Some names from the past e.g Charles, Carlotta, Dodds and of course Plato
    I think we had slightly more variety of posters back then with a wider range of views.
    I remember Charles leaving but can't recall what the reason was.

    Someone doxed him. Though to be fair, he basically doxed himself.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,395
    Eabhal said:


    Emily Schrader - אמילי שריידר امیلی شریدر
    @emilykschrader

    Initial: Iranian sources are reporting some kind of ground attack on the guards at Fordow.

    https://x.com/emilykschrader/status/1936530749903286393

    Surely IDF / Mossad are going in on the ground. That would take absolutely massive balls and will take huge losses.
    The Mossad are absolutely ruthless
    They are going to come out holding glowing sticks of Uranium like Homer Simpson.
    "huge losses."

    Maybe

    Or maybe they would find a load of exhausted, pissed-off troops of the regime who have had years of being beliltted and no pay but the glory of god and so on and who put their hands up straight away.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,207
    a
    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Wes Streeting: NHS can’t afford assisted dying and MPs got it wrong

    The health secretary says letting terminally ill people end their lives could divert resources from elsewhere in the service" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/0fd01bf3-3aef-4a7b-b97f-6e2f6bace848?shareToken=313fd758093d0be5502bb88e16f109ae

    He's really suggesting it will net cost the NHS money?
    Between doctors time, administering actual drugs, monitoring, oversight, lawyers….

    I’m thinking that “NHS Exit” will need a Richard Rogers designed headquarters, lots of art. A huge number of NU10K on 6 figures knowing nothing…

    I’ll run it for £684,463 per year.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,914

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I was wondering how PB compares to 10 years ago. Here's a thread from 21st June 2015. Comments are still available to read.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/06/21/betting-on-the-next-labour-leader-leading-the-party-into-the-next-general-election/

    Some names from the past e.g Charles, Carlotta, Dodds and of course Plato
    I think we had slightly more variety of posters back then with a wider range of views.
    I remember Charles leaving but can't recall what the reason was.

    He spoke often of his family and location, even posting the obituary of his father. He was one of the PBers who give so much private information away one could post him a Xmas card. But when other people brought it up he realised that it wasn't a private chat room and left.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,050
    edited June 21
    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I was wondering how PB compares to 10 years ago. Here's a thread from 21st June 2015. Comments are still available to read.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/06/21/betting-on-the-next-labour-leader-leading-the-party-into-the-next-general-election/

    Some names from the past e.g Charles, Carlotta, Dodds and of course Plato
    I think we had slightly more variety of posters back then with a wider range of views.
    I remember Charles leaving but can't recall what the reason was.

    Someone doxed him. Though to be fair, he basically doxed himself.
    Wasn't it that everyone was relentless taking the piss out of him whenever he came out with something absurdly privileged? He was one of the most valuable posters for someone like me because I have no sense of that world at all.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,914

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I was wondering how PB compares to 10 years ago. Here's a thread from 21st June 2015. Comments are still available to read.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/06/21/betting-on-the-next-labour-leader-leading-the-party-into-the-next-general-election/

    Some names from the past e.g Charles, Carlotta, Dodds and of course Plato
    @AlistairMeeks. @foxinsoxuk . Also some that don't post so often any more, such as @SouthamObserver .
    One of this is still a regular under a different name surely?
    Possibly. My memory is rather bad these days. Who is it?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,360

    a

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Wes Streeting: NHS can’t afford assisted dying and MPs got it wrong

    The health secretary says letting terminally ill people end their lives could divert resources from elsewhere in the service" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/0fd01bf3-3aef-4a7b-b97f-6e2f6bace848?shareToken=313fd758093d0be5502bb88e16f109ae

    He's really suggesting it will net cost the NHS money?
    Between doctors time, administering actual drugs, monitoring, oversight, lawyers….

    I’m thinking that “NHS Exit” will need a Richard Rogers designed headquarters, lots of art. A huge number of NU10K on 6 figures knowing nothing…

    I’ll run it for £684,463 per year.
    Cancel devolution and use the Scottish parliament. Orwellian enough.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,050
    carnforth said:

    a

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Wes Streeting: NHS can’t afford assisted dying and MPs got it wrong

    The health secretary says letting terminally ill people end their lives could divert resources from elsewhere in the service" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/0fd01bf3-3aef-4a7b-b97f-6e2f6bace848?shareToken=313fd758093d0be5502bb88e16f109ae

    He's really suggesting it will net cost the NHS money?
    Between doctors time, administering actual drugs, monitoring, oversight, lawyers….

    I’m thinking that “NHS Exit” will need a Richard Rogers designed headquarters, lots of art. A huge number of NU10K on 6 figures knowing nothing…

    I’ll run it for £684,463 per year.
    Cancel devolution and use the Scottish parliament. Orwellian enough.
    It's lovely on the inside. Almost... hospice-like.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,914
    Andy_JS said:

    "Wes Streeting: NHS can’t afford assisted dying and MPs got it wrong

    The health secretary says letting terminally ill people end their lives could divert resources from elsewhere in the service" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/0fd01bf3-3aef-4a7b-b97f-6e2f6bace848?shareToken=313fd758093d0be5502bb88e16f109ae

    Well, yes, but that's not the problem with the legislation
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,204
    Andy_JS said:

    I was wondering how PB compares to 10 years ago. Here's a thread from 21st June 2015. Comments are still available to read.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/06/21/betting-on-the-next-labour-leader-leading-the-party-into-the-next-general-election/

    Nice to see Morris Dancer spreading confusion by never using the quote button.
    How folk learn and grow.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,207

    Eabhal said:


    Emily Schrader - אמילי שריידר امیلی شریدر
    @emilykschrader

    Initial: Iranian sources are reporting some kind of ground attack on the guards at Fordow.

    https://x.com/emilykschrader/status/1936530749903286393

    Surely IDF / Mossad are going in on the ground. That would take absolutely massive balls and will take huge losses.
    The Mossad are absolutely ruthless
    They are going to come out holding glowing sticks of Uranium like Homer Simpson.
    Then fade backwards into the bushes and disappear?
    Uranium metal oxides to a nice purple. Other that, quite boring really.

    If you want to see some -



    The “hollow axle” in the middle of that device is multiple critical masses of 95% enriched uranium. Yes, the bare metal. You are looking at the real core of a nuclear bomb. The King of Hell.

    Cylindrical implosion, rather spherical.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,395
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I was wondering how PB compares to 10 years ago. Here's a thread from 21st June 2015. Comments are still available to read.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/06/21/betting-on-the-next-labour-leader-leading-the-party-into-the-next-general-election/

    Some names from the past e.g Charles, Carlotta, Dodds and of course Plato
    I think we had slightly more variety of posters back then with a wider range of views.
    I remember Charles leaving but can't recall what the reason was.

    He spoke often of his family and location, even posting the obituary of his father. He was one of the PBers who give so much private information away one could post him a Xmas card. But when other people brought it up he realised that it wasn't a private chat room and left.
    Ah, yes - it is coming back to me now.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,435
    edited June 21
    .
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I was wondering how PB compares to 10 years ago. Here's a thread from 21st June 2015. Comments are still available to read.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/06/21/betting-on-the-next-labour-leader-leading-the-party-into-the-next-general-election/

    Some names from the past e.g Charles, Carlotta, Dodds and of course Plato
    @AlistairMeeks. @foxinsoxuk . Also some that don't post so often any more, such as @SouthamObserver .
    One of this is still a regular under a different name surely?
    Possibly. My memory is rather bad these days. Who is it?
    @Foxy , surely ?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,388
    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Wes Streeting: NHS can’t afford assisted dying and MPs got it wrong

    The health secretary says letting terminally ill people end their lives could divert resources from elsewhere in the service" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/0fd01bf3-3aef-4a7b-b97f-6e2f6bace848?shareToken=313fd758093d0be5502bb88e16f109ae

    He's really suggesting it will net cost the NHS money?
    I would say that is an absolute certainty. Not necessarily a reason not to do it but it has just added another item to the list of services the NHS is legally obliged to provide.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,395
    Eabhal said:

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Wes Streeting: NHS can’t afford assisted dying and MPs got it wrong

    The health secretary says letting terminally ill people end their lives could divert resources from elsewhere in the service" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/0fd01bf3-3aef-4a7b-b97f-6e2f6bace848?shareToken=313fd758093d0be5502bb88e16f109ae

    He's really suggesting it will net cost the NHS money?
    Palliative care is expensive and currently under-funded. The bill could force the government to actually provide excellent end-of-life care, particularly if it's doing the ending and is vulnerable to litigation as a result.

    I can see why it will be more expensive than just letting someone lie in a bed in misery. One big positive side-effect of the whole debate is there is now a bigger focus on those last few hours/days/months, whether assisted dying happens or not. We're not very good at talking about death.
    Old people cost money but as boomers are unprepared to let a single groat leave their grasping hands rather than be passed on to their children latest.

    :angry:
  • The_WoodpeckerThe_Woodpecker Posts: 497
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I was wondering how PB compares to 10 years ago. Here's a thread from 21st June 2015. Comments are still available to read.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/06/21/betting-on-the-next-labour-leader-leading-the-party-into-the-next-general-election/

    Some names from the past e.g Charles, Carlotta, Dodds and of course Plato
    @AlistairMeeks. @foxinsoxuk . Also some that don't post so often any more, such as @SouthamObserver .
    I wonder why.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,861

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Wes Streeting: NHS can’t afford assisted dying and MPs got it wrong

    The health secretary says letting terminally ill people end their lives could divert resources from elsewhere in the service" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/0fd01bf3-3aef-4a7b-b97f-6e2f6bace848?shareToken=313fd758093d0be5502bb88e16f109ae

    He's really suggesting it will net cost the NHS money?
    I would say that is an absolute certainty. Not necessarily a reason not to do it but it has just added another item to the list of services the NHS is legally obliged to provide.
    Yes, but that's one service.

    Net, how many future services would the NHS have been legally obliged to provide otherwise that it now would no longer be obliged to offer after that one service?

    A single treatment instead of multiple ongoing treatments can be cheaper, net.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,207
    carnforth said:

    a

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Wes Streeting: NHS can’t afford assisted dying and MPs got it wrong

    The health secretary says letting terminally ill people end their lives could divert resources from elsewhere in the service" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/0fd01bf3-3aef-4a7b-b97f-6e2f6bace848?shareToken=313fd758093d0be5502bb88e16f109ae

    He's really suggesting it will net cost the NHS money?
    Between doctors time, administering actual drugs, monitoring, oversight, lawyers….

    I’m thinking that “NHS Exit” will need a Richard Rogers designed headquarters, lots of art. A huge number of NU10K on 6 figures knowing nothing…

    I’ll run it for £684,463 per year.
    Cancel devolution and use the Scottish parliament. Orwellian enough.
    Ministry of Life?

    MiniLif?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,775

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I was wondering how PB compares to 10 years ago. Here's a thread from 21st June 2015. Comments are still available to read.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/06/21/betting-on-the-next-labour-leader-leading-the-party-into-the-next-general-election/

    Some names from the past e.g Charles, Carlotta, Dodds and of course Plato
    @AlistairMeeks. @foxinsoxuk . Also some that don't post so often any more, such as @SouthamObserver .
    I wonder why.
    SO was one of the most interesting posters on here, I'm sorry he's left.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,032
    carnforth said:

    a

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Wes Streeting: NHS can’t afford assisted dying and MPs got it wrong

    The health secretary says letting terminally ill people end their lives could divert resources from elsewhere in the service" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/0fd01bf3-3aef-4a7b-b97f-6e2f6bace848?shareToken=313fd758093d0be5502bb88e16f109ae

    He's really suggesting it will net cost the NHS money?
    Between doctors time, administering actual drugs, monitoring, oversight, lawyers….

    I’m thinking that “NHS Exit” will need a Richard Rogers designed headquarters, lots of art. A huge number of NU10K on 6 figures knowing nothing…

    I’ll run it for £684,463 per year.
    Cancel devolution and use the Scottish parliament. Orwellian enough.
    Devolution appears to have been at least sidestepped as apparently all the SLab MPs voted on the Assisted Dying England & Wales bill. No doubt the Anglo Brits will shortly be bleating about this assault on their democracy.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,388

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Wes Streeting: NHS can’t afford assisted dying and MPs got it wrong

    The health secretary says letting terminally ill people end their lives could divert resources from elsewhere in the service" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/0fd01bf3-3aef-4a7b-b97f-6e2f6bace848?shareToken=313fd758093d0be5502bb88e16f109ae

    He's really suggesting it will net cost the NHS money?
    I would say that is an absolute certainty. Not necessarily a reason not to do it but it has just added another item to the list of services the NHS is legally obliged to provide.
    Yes, but that's one service.

    Net, how many future services would the NHS have been legally obliged to provide otherwise that it now would no longer be obliged to offer after that one service?

    A single treatment instead of multiple ongoing treatments can be cheaper, net.
    But they will still be obliged to provide all those services given that the vast majority of people will not be opting for suicide. A whole new permanent NHS department dealing with this whilst not being able to reduce/save costs in the other departments. For a start, bear in mind that in order to meet the need for immediate results given the 6 month timescale, this is not something you can have 'waiting lists' for. So it will have to be overstaffed. You can see why Streeting says it will cost significant money.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,388
    edited June 21

    carnforth said:

    a

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Wes Streeting: NHS can’t afford assisted dying and MPs got it wrong

    The health secretary says letting terminally ill people end their lives could divert resources from elsewhere in the service" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/0fd01bf3-3aef-4a7b-b97f-6e2f6bace848?shareToken=313fd758093d0be5502bb88e16f109ae

    He's really suggesting it will net cost the NHS money?
    Between doctors time, administering actual drugs, monitoring, oversight, lawyers….

    I’m thinking that “NHS Exit” will need a Richard Rogers designed headquarters, lots of art. A huge number of NU10K on 6 figures knowing nothing…

    I’ll run it for £684,463 per year.
    Cancel devolution and use the Scottish parliament. Orwellian enough.
    Devolution appears to have been at least sidestepped as apparently all the SLab MPs voted on the Assisted Dying England & Wales bill. No doubt the Anglo Brits will shortly be bleating about this assault on their democracy.
    To be fair that is pretty poor given this is a devolved matter. And I say that as a long standing supporter of Scottish Independence.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,861

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Wes Streeting: NHS can’t afford assisted dying and MPs got it wrong

    The health secretary says letting terminally ill people end their lives could divert resources from elsewhere in the service" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/0fd01bf3-3aef-4a7b-b97f-6e2f6bace848?shareToken=313fd758093d0be5502bb88e16f109ae

    He's really suggesting it will net cost the NHS money?
    I would say that is an absolute certainty. Not necessarily a reason not to do it but it has just added another item to the list of services the NHS is legally obliged to provide.
    Yes, but that's one service.

    Net, how many future services would the NHS have been legally obliged to provide otherwise that it now would no longer be obliged to offer after that one service?

    A single treatment instead of multiple ongoing treatments can be cheaper, net.
    But they will still be obliged to provide all those services given that the vast majority of people will not be opting for suicide. A whole new permanent NHS department dealing with this whilst not being able to reduce/save costs in the other departments. For a start, bear in mind that in order to meet the need for immediate results given the 6 month timescale, this is not something you can have 'waiting lists' for. So it will have to be overstaffed. You can see why Streeting says it will cost significant money.
    Not really, considering that people don't just do one kind of treatment. There is no reason why you'd need a department solely staffed by people doing this, rather than this being something people do as and when its required.

    And yes services will need to be provided to others after someone dies, but not to the dead person any more. You've not taken that into account in your costings at all. Any 'waiting lists' someone was in they disappear from if they die, or any other costs associated with them too.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,946

    carnforth said:

    a

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Wes Streeting: NHS can’t afford assisted dying and MPs got it wrong

    The health secretary says letting terminally ill people end their lives could divert resources from elsewhere in the service" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/0fd01bf3-3aef-4a7b-b97f-6e2f6bace848?shareToken=313fd758093d0be5502bb88e16f109ae

    He's really suggesting it will net cost the NHS money?
    Between doctors time, administering actual drugs, monitoring, oversight, lawyers….

    I’m thinking that “NHS Exit” will need a Richard Rogers designed headquarters, lots of art. A huge number of NU10K on 6 figures knowing nothing…

    I’ll run it for £684,463 per year.
    Cancel devolution and use the Scottish parliament. Orwellian enough.
    Devolution appears to have been at least sidestepped as apparently all the SLab MPs voted on the Assisted Dying England & Wales bill. No doubt the Anglo Brits will shortly be bleating about this assault on their democracy.
    To be fair that is pretty poor given this is a devolved matter. And I say that as a long standing supporter of Scottish Independence.
    If there's one thing that comes to mind with SLab - it's the very word "disappointed".
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,799
    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1936548427803828446

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